SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Courageous Faith Podcast. So happy to see you guys. Well, I guess not see you guys, but so happy to have you. Happy for you guys to see us. Yeah, and hearing some people to hear us on Spotify. It's right podcast. But thanks for tuning in. If you're here, you're here for a reason and you already know why. Because you're for that good word. Not only uh the good word, but Dominion. Amen. We talked about it last week and it was proven last week.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Right through it, right through the punch, right through it. Um, this is the official podcast of Dr. Wendell Hutchins, the lead pastor here at the Church of Champions. Last week I said lead, and it sounded like I said elite. Elite? Yes what it's like he is an elite pastor, he's an elite, yeah. He is.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

I mean, if there was ever like, so if you think about, I used to think of myself when we were when I was growing up, there was the Boy Scouts and those Royal Rangers. The Royal Rangers was the elite level, like the Navy SEALs of like going in the woods. Yep. But if you're thinking of pastors, he's like not, he's like the not the what's the not the green berets, but like what's the Delta Force. He's like that secret CIA Delta Force. Yeah, James Bond. Yeah, exactly. He usually dresses pretty well. He does. Yeah, he really does. Yeah. So that's why we call him His Excellency. Oh God. Because it's the way he dresses. That's it. That's it. He had a full-on suit, tie, and everything. Oh my god, yeah. And then he made sure to let me know I was wearing a t-shirt. In the meetings, oh, you're just gonna worship in a t-shirt, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:25

In a hat.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

In a hat. Y'all too, but uh James, have you been keeping up what's going on in our world?

SPEAKER_02 1:31

The timelines?

SPEAKER_03 1:32

You know, there's so much happening. It's hard because you turn your head left and there's something going on, and then you eat lunch, and then there's something else that happens. But it's been insane, man, between uh all the stuff going on uh in Iran, and then you got missions to the moon. Yeah, you got all kinds of stuff going on, man. It's insane. But yeah, the uh what was Artem Artemis II?

SPEAKER_05 1:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

They made that uh that launch, and uh uh it was interesting to see some of the stuff that the uh those astronauts were saying when they came back. I thought it was pretty fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Yeah, I I woke up one day and I was like, we're going to the moon. Yeah. And I was like, Oh, we're going around. He's like, oh, it just happened. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, from all SpaceX and all the other launches, NASA's been so quiet.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

And then, yeah, we're gonna go around the moon. And you're right, they came back, they started saying some amazing things. I actually have a video footage of one of the astronauts of what he said. Let's actually just take a look at what this guy said.

SPEAKER_07 2:29

I'm a religious person, but there was just no other avenue for me to explain anything or to experience anything, so I asked for the the chaplain on the Navy ship to just come visit us for a minute. And when that man walked in, I'd never met him before in my life, but I saw the cross on his on his collar, and I just I broke down in tears. Like that it's very hard to fully grasp what we just went through. And in these short, you just said it's been a week since we've been back, but it's been a week of medical testing, physical testing, doctors, science objectives. I would like we have not had that decompression, we have not had that reflection time. So I'm basing this on what we saw. And when the uh when the sun eclipsed behind the moon, I think before I turned to to Victor and I said, I don't think humanity has evolved to the point of being able to comprehend what we're looking at right now because it was otherwise and it was amazing.

SPEAKER_06 3:17

The only thing I would add is I am a religious person, but everything else is the same. Um there is something in there, and as we start to process, I'll have to tell you next week. I haven't had a chance to really unpack it all yet. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

There was just no one of the things I'm looking at as I'm watching that video, you can see the emotion. You can see that raw spiritual emotion coming off of him. They can't the one astronaut specifically, he cannot explain it, right? There's something inside of him that's calling him, right? That's drawing him out. Um, and then his his uh his teammate, he said, I am a religious person, but even him.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Well, it's the it's the religious and the irreligious that are both captured in a moment of revelation that what they see is so awe-inspiring and so wondrous and so majestic that their lexicon fails and they cannot articulate what they've seen. Wow. Think about the majesty of the cosmos. And that that brings us specifically to Isaiah 6 and 3, when Isaiah is having this open vision and he specifically records the words of God reverberating through the cosmos, and he said, The earth is full of your glory. And so the majesty of God, when you pull back the portal and you get a God view of anything, it changes everything about the way you live. And that's where worship becomes a response to uh the glory of God seen, right? Or the glory of God perceived, and so that worship becomes glory back to Him. So worship then makes a loop. So it's it's the glory of God revealed, and the response of a man in that glory back to God in worship becomes glory to God. So glory rises and glory falls, right? That's where you see the patriarchs in their interactions with the supernatural. They say, I see the glory of God coming, or I've perceived and beheld the glory of God. The theophanies of God that approached Abram and spoke to him as as a uh nomad traveling with a call. You see it with uh his sons when they're laying their heads down on rocks and suddenly the heavens are open and they see a ladder, and suddenly Jacob's ladder, he says, I see the angel of the Lord descending and ascending. And so that's that's the portrait of what happens when we worship God and we glorify God for what we've seen. And these astronauts are simply scientists that are proving that the word of God is absolutely true. The veracity of the word of God is held with such fidelity that when they say we've seen something we can't articulate, we've we're hearing them say, I've seen the window of God. I've uh the He's opened for me a view that mortals have not seen. And I'm looking back at Earth and it's it's perception, it's it's the visibility of what I've seen is too wondrous for for men to behold. That's powerful.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

It is, it is, it is. Well, I think it's beautiful to be able to see, you know, we've seen images. Yeah, you know, we've seen pictures that have been taken from you know outside of this earthly place that we live on, and uh but they still do not give there's no way it's uh it's like going to I mean you've been places, you've been to the Grand Canyon, yeah. Yes, you've seen pictures of the Grand Canyon, but until you go and you actually stand on the edge of that thing, you don't realize that it's more than just a big hole.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

And I think what makes this uh a unique catalog, uh catalog of experiences is that Artemis, was it Artemis II?

SPEAKER_04 7:14

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

It actually the the circuitry uh and orbit of it was out into deep space beyond the moon. Right. And they're looking back at the moon, and the moon is is eclipsing, if you will, uh the earth and the sun. The earth and the sun, and they're seeing things uh that no one has ever seen before. And so I I think the the message to me is the the further they've traveled into deep space, looking back at it puts things in perspective. How small is man.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

What art man that thou art mindful of him? The son of man that thou perceivest him. You see what I'm saying? And so uh yeah, the word of God is just it's alive and vibrant. And then of course, I don't know if you you have that clip. Why don't you play that clip of while while this is going on and they're describing the majesty of what they've seen in the same week, uh this other video is released talking about the moon that they've just circled and looked at very carefully and uh choreographed in their circuitry. Now we have science telling us that the moon is beginning to rust out of all of these eons of time. Suddenly the moon is rusting. Let's play that if you have it.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Well, this isn't about NASA's recent endeavor. This is something far greater. Not too long ago, a sixteen-year-old boy stunned NASA and captured one of the clearest pictures of the moon we have. But he discovered something incredible. He noticed that the moon was already rusting, and scientists later confirmed that the moon is indeed rusting, driven by oxygen escaping from Earth's atmosphere. This iron oxidite or hematonite is only on the moon of its earthquake. Remember that the word hematite. Before the great and remote day of the Lord comes. Okay, it's a whole lot. So the scientists say that the resting on the moon is hematite, and in the New Testament, in the book of Acts, it tells us that the moon will turn into blood in the last days. In the New Testament, it was written in Greek. So if you look up what blood means in Greek, hematite. This name is derived from hema, meaning blood. So the moral of the story, give your life to Jesus because he's coming back soon. Know that's that phenomenal.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

It's rusting.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Rusting, literally. The moon is rusting. For the first time. And it's it's it's interesting to hear the uh what's evoked out of his out of his not only his speech but his spirit is that he's saying that oxygen from Earth's orbit is now beginning to penetrate. So that means that the veil of creation is thinning and God's allowing things to start happening in the galaxies that have not historically happened. So the reins of those things have been loosened so that the word can become a living testament to those unbelievers. This the the Bible says that the heavens will preach a message because the signs of the that's why you have the astronomy, the magi, we're following the star because the heavens were preaching and speaking. And a dear friend of mine, Troy Brewer, he has a tremendous study on the cosmos and uh the bodies and the orbs in the heavens that are preaching and declaring the glory of God. So it it's fascinating to me. I love that kind of thing. In fact, I've got a uh a substack that came out yesterday that is being um it's uh it's taking an excavation of biblical archaeology and it's really looking at some new things that are happening, and some some things that are being proffered that have um opened up the the possibility of of discovering the Ark of the Covenant and exactly where it is in location. And it's it's those kinds of things are fascinating. Yeah, you know, sure. I'm not certain you ever arrive at that at a specific answer, right? But it's just fascinating to see all of these incremental revelations coming and weaving a broader tapestry of Jesus saying, I am coming and I am king. Yeah, that's that's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Well, that scripture you brought up, I think, was from Psalms eight and earlier, I think it talks about how um how majestic is your name. Yes, right, and that the heavens declare the glory of God, right? Yeah, and so you know, there's all types of scriptures that talk about how great God is, but I think there's probably no greater testament to his majesty in than what he created, what he just literally spoke into existence. Yeah, and so just looking at at that and seeing how you know he's writing, he's literally writing history and his story on his own creation.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Absolutely telling every facet of creation tells his story, does. And that's why you you think about the majesty of what these men have seen, and they're all so awestruck with the majestic glory of God, they cannot articulate it. And so that means what they've seen has become so present that it's it's pressed upon them to the degree its weight prevents them from speaking carelessly. Well, think about think about the the Hebrew word kebab that you find in the Old Testament describing the glory of God that's set upon the mercy seat, the shekinah of God, the glory of God that would visit that high priest once a year and make that um intercession of that high priest, make that offering and that sacrifice effectual, because it would be consumed in the glory of God. And and the Hebrew word that is kebab, and that is defined, kebab is defined as weight. Um it is defined as uh not only a weight but a gravity. So it it the glory of God presses something upon you. And that's what Paul is speaking about in the New Testament when he says, I'm travailing again for you because I'm praying until Christ be formed in you, until his image be so pressed upon you that you lose your identity and gain his. So throughout Scripture, you see this golden strand of revelation being woven through the ephod of men's experiences, and and it's all leading us to see Jesus as the King of glory and the magistrate of the universe, and all of it is preaching him.

SPEAKER_04 13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

So so I have a question then. Thinking about this, right? So you're talking about this this weight, this gravity, you know. So these these astronauts come back and there's something pressing on them, and one of them gets to the point where he's like, the only thing I knew to do, even though I'm not religious, was to call for the chaplain.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

There you go, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Well, for him, that created a space for him to start investigating what what he thinks he's heard about God's glory or majesty or the whatever. But then there's those other people who they experience that or they see that, or maybe maybe it's more academic than they've experienced it, and they go the other direction, right? And so for him, I believe, because it's it's one of the testimonies I have, is that once I made that investigation, there was clarity that came. And with that clarity, every time I see something like this, it brings more clarity, and it brings more um uh I feel like it brings me closer to God. Where for some people, and I'll I'll use like some scientists, we'll use like what's this Neil deGrasse Tyson? Yes, that guy, Neil deGrasse Tyson, right? Every time he sees something, and he's purely academic, right? He goes the opposite direction and he gets more confused, or it seems like he dives deeper into a hole and it doesn't give ever give him any answers.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Everything is just Well, that's the challenge with academia, is because the higher the higher degree of academia you pursue, the more sequestered you become. And so it's when you say sequestered, what do you what do you mean like Well incubation? Okay. So you're living inside a bubble of sort you can find yourself. Right. You're you're living inside the halls of academia where you're rubbing shoulders where the other theorist. Okay. And so education is wonderful for equipping you with knowledge, but there is such a thing as ever always studying, always coming to the you're you're always learning, but you're never coming to the knowledge. And this is why we always go back to the book of Acts, is because a man with an experience will always trump a man with an argument. Yes. That's true. Okay, so academia fills your life with questions and provides you with theories, and it it provides you with a scope of understanding so that you can always query and test and prove and study and and uh and proffer up ideas. But you take that same scientist and put him in a capsule and launch him and cast him out beyond the stars, and and he's looking back on earth and and he's beholding a God view. Now he's a man that all of his academia had led him into question. But now he's a man who's led and been led into an experience that provides him with an answer, and it is so awesome, it it's the majesty of it is so awesome, it overwhelms his ability to speak. See what I'm saying? And so I I think when you when you have those Neil deGrasse Tyson in Neil deGrasse Tyson, right? Yeah, I think that's it. When you have those guys, they're they're brilliant in their incubators. And all of their the schematics uh and propositions that they offer are all reduced to symbols, illustrations, and uh mathematical equations. But when you launch them out and you say, Uh, let me take you on a journey of faith and grapple with it until you see what God sees. Then you're then you're living in that experiential movement, and there you cannot be defeated. Right?

SPEAKER_02 17:40

Yeah. I mean that's that's that astronaut he said it was otherworldly it's otherworldly. Yeah, what do you mean you say it was heavenly?

SPEAKER_01 17:45

But isn't it interesting that as soon as he got on the ground, he wanted to call for a chaplain? Yes. Because that goes back to what I spoke about last weekend. Uh you're seeking a man with a word from God. Give me what God said, right? And so I think it's just a wonderful portrait of the economy of God and how he works and how he wants to lift us up. In prayer, we we have the ability to climb that ladder of faith until we perceive those things that are not as though they are. Until we are able to speak those things that are not until they become. Right? Take the word of God and look at it, and I'm gonna tell you what, it'll temper it'll temper every argument you have because it it strips it, it makes it benign to unbelief. How can you not believe when you have beheld? Yeah. Right? And uh so I think uh most of those scientists need an experience. I think that's exactly right. I think it's so it's it's not an argument against their science, it's you need to meet the one who proves your science. Yeah. Yeah. Or disproves it.

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Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Well, I think it's in that experience that we have. I mean, in in every part of our lives, I think the way you put it was was wonderful. That experience trumps how did you put it? Experience trumps a man with an argument. A man with an argument. And you know, I think one of the things that we've always talked about as part of um this walk of Christianity is that someone could argue words, pro or con, right? They could you could say, well, the Bible, the Bible, the Bible. Yeah. So people can argue that all day long, yeah, but they cannot argue with an encounter that you've personally have. They can't argue that at one point in time I was lost and now I'm fine. Or let's be even more blunt than that, I was a drug al or alcoholic. Yeah. God delivered me from that. I was in prison, yeah, and now I own a business. Yeah. You know, I was down and out and had no hope.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

And now I don't even look anything like that person, right? So you can't argue with that experience. You can't argue when have the places that you can see. I think one of the things you said yesterday in your sermon was that someone had asked you if you could think about you were writing a new book. They want you to write a new book, and they wanted you to think about a couple places that a couple testimonies in your life that God had. And I actually I chuckled as soon as you said that because I was like, Oh, I know what he's gonna say. You know, there's more than a couple.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

There's more than I probably could come up with a couple this week.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

You know, where I've seen God move in my life and testimonies. And so, you know, when you when you look over the expanse of your life, like I think one of the things you, and I think the God view is even um obviously much bigger, but one of the things you always talk about is that 30,000 foot view. Yes. You know, when you you know is when you're going through something or you're struggling through something, a lot of times all you see is the struggle, what you're going through. Yeah, but then when you get through it and you look back over the expanse of your life, you know, 10 years, five years, whatever, it always seems so much smaller. Yeah, and then you start seeing those moments or those places where God's hand was in the middle of it, right? And where he was leading you and and where he brought somebody in to help you. That's right. Or he brought multiple people. I I get excited thinking about, you know, we, you know, had an opportunity yesterday or on Sunday to baptize Natalie, um, and that was so cool because to see her come in and uh to the gym, she's someone who comes to our gym regularly and work out. She's you know, we've we've talked a little bit, she's asked questions, but I've only been a very small part in her journey because there's been people like Lillian who have spent time with her. Um, there's been people like uh, you know, she comes to Kelly. There have been people who, you know, she comes to she's been coming to some of the the the Connect group stuff and different versions of trans. So you've got all these different people who follow Jesus Christ, who've had an encounter with Jesus that have been planting seeds and been a voice in her in her life, and then she reaches out to me and says, Hey, I'd love to get baptized.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Well, and this past Sunday, I love, I mean, I'm just still high on um the experience because uh I had the privilege and and honor of Of them asking me to take a picture with me, but they they lined up all of these people, these ladies that were friends of Natalie, and they're coming to the gym and they're part of groups. I didn't even know that. But they're all lined up, and just the complexion, the makeup of the group, the diversity, the ethnicities that were involved. If that's not what heaven is is about, and then if that's not a signature of our soul-winning efforts, our outreach, this this gospel is not limited to a certain ethnicity. This gospel is not limited to a certain viewpoint. This gospel is not limited or bound by any prejudice. It goes into the highways and byways and expresses itself into the caverns of creativity and creation. And so everybody can hear. And this is our Jerusalem. Right? This is what Jerusalem looks like to the Church of Champions. And so, yeah, to stand there beside a phenomenal doctor with a hijab on that came to the altar and allowed me to pray with her for the first time in a Christian church. I'll take that all day long. I'll take that out. You give me that experience, and I'll take that over sitting in a room with a hundred religious people that think they know everything, and they want to argue with an argument, but they've never seen a vision. I don't want that. Give me one person that says, I see Jesus like I've never seen him before. I had a lady that was a guest here Sunday, came through the gym, but she flew in here from Miami, Florida just to be in church Sunday. Wow. Think about that. And she was she grabbed a hold of me and she said, I've never heard anybody speak like that in my life. And she said, Your words moved me. And I, you know, I'm not I'm not saying that about me, I'm just saying she was trying to express to her uh to me what she felt. And it takes me back to um Jesus in his prayer, praying um what we would call the Lord's prayer and and praying, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. What did those scientists see about heaven that is so weighty and so filled with glory that it changed everything about their earth? Right? Yeah. When is when our dust, when this makeup of man is so impacted that its visage begins to be reformed and look like Jesus Christ, that's where glory is. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Well, I think that's part of that that the beauty of having that, you know, the we always have talked about through discipleship and through or witnessing probably, I guess, would be the first step of that discipleship, is trying to looking at people as God would see them. Absolutely. As a soul, right? Looking at them as someone that God loved so much, right? Whether you like them or not, or you like you agree where they come from, God still loved them enough that He died for them.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

And so that's that's that view. And so I think one of the beautiful things is you know, you got to pray with, you know, several different people down there, but the hand of God was on those people in so many different aspects to get them to that place, to that point. Right. So before they ever walked in that building.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

This is where we get tripped and trapped in the trauma and the and the traumatic um vestibule of event-minded. If if we think God coming to God is an event, yes, or we think that's it's instantaneous deal, we've we uh we we uh pillage the idea that he works in process. You know what I mean? There's a bug in here. My God. Uh we we pillage this idea that he is a is a God of process, and so he orders our steps. We're on a journey with him. And to look through that room, you know, Sunday we also had uh special prayer for all of our friends and believers in Nigeria and all of the horrible things that are going on uh with the massacres that are taking place in Christian communities in Nigeria, and we have a Nigerian couple that's a part of our church, and we had them down praying for them, and then we had worship music in Spanish. I forgot you're right. Well, it's it's Houston, yeah, it's our Jerusalem. Yes. And so what what is the church if it is not the makeup of its community? What is heaven if it's not the the galaxies and the orbs of God's word? Yeah, right? Yeah and those those astronauts, those scientists got a got a God view of it, not a mortal view. We look up, we live in the immediate, we live in our present, but he's the God of was, is, and is to come. He's omnipresent, he is all in all, he feels all in all. And so there's no place we can travel that he is not there. The question for us is do we have eyes that are open to see him new? Amen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

You know, uh I keep thinking about this, and I don't even know if this goes along with whatever, but you keep talking, you the word keeping about multicultural or bilingual, whatever, and the way the church should look.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

And you know, I've in the last few months I've gone to a few funerals and some weddings that I've had to be a part of, um, or had the honor to be a part of.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Oh, you have a funeral Wednesday too, I forgot.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

And um as we continue on, uh one thing that I have noticed is that when when I've stepped into these places, everyone looks the same.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

Right? Now, I'm not saying that that's evil or wrong. I'm just noticing something that they all look the sound same and they all sound the same. And the king is just traditional. Very traditional, right? Because what we do, we tend to do as human beings is we tend to congregate or form these cliques or these these these things of people that to make us feel comfortable, right? Right. So we want to go to a place where we can be comfortable. Yeah, and in the kingdom of God, I feel like God is always calling us to be uncomfortable on a regular basis, and in that discomfort is really where our growth comes from. And so it allows us how to it teaches, I think, how to learn and truly be able to minister the gospel, which is the ultimate calling that we're that we're drawn to, and we cannot go and minister the gospel in a place of comfort.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Well, don't you think, too, going along with this in a corollary to that expressed reality, don't you think that it's true that um this is where the church taps into the supernatural power of God when we are the minority?

SPEAKER_04 29:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

So if we if we're not if we're comfortable and we're surrounded by people just like ourselves, there's no stretch of faith. No, there's no need for defense, there's no uh there's no requirement for an apologetic, there's no uh it's not necessary for you to stand up and explain what God's just done, right? Um or what you've experienced. But when you're the minority, when you're when you're in a chapel filled with pagans, when you're walking among non-believers, when you're sitting in an auditorium of secularists, and you're the representative of heaven, and you're there to express the truth of the living God, then suddenly God shows up for you to prove his word is true. Right? And so that's where you see the apostles. They went out two by two, right? They were always the minority. And this is what we've built in the foundation of this church, is we've never wanted to create a traditional church in the sense that we want a congregation filled with all saved people. We want, we have an expectation that the majority of the people worshiping with us will not be saved. Well, that opens up an entirely different uh uh viewpoint. It requires a God view, right? And then it also it it it demands that you stretch out of your comfort zones. We had a gentleman here Sunday that was being very expressive and vocal in his worship and what but what nobody knew. I mean, if you were just here and you listened, you would think, well, he's been a little rambunctious with his praise. Yeah. But what people don't know is that that that fella has been absolutely excoriated by uh depression. He has been absolutely filled with anxiety. He had a situation in his home where he hadn't seen his children in seven years, and we talked to him the week before and said, We're not going to accept that that that terminology, we're not going to accept that sentence. Right? We're going to pray, and our God is able. Now, what people don't know is that gentleman's a Catholic.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

Come on.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

He's raised in a Catholic church. You don't make noise in a Catholic church. No, you hold your peace, right? We prayed within one week. That entire situation changed, and the ki the children that he had not seen in seven years were with him in church on Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

And he was so he was so excited.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Because God is real. Yeah. We prayed, and something happened for him that had he couldn't make happen in seven years. There wasn't a battery of lawyers that could change it. Right. And God changed it.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

And so he was shouting out, Hallelujah! Yeah. Praise God. Well, wouldn't you want to do that? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

I mean, at a baseball game, he would have fit right in. Right. He'd have been just like everybody else. Nobody would have even given a second thought. Exactly. That's right. The church suddenly actually got gave him a reason to say hip hip hooray, to cheer. He couldn't find it.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Well, and you put a you put a you put a tongue, you know, I I spoke about that Sunday. When when the word of God gets on your tongue, it has to come out. And when you put a testimony on the on the tongue of a human being that is thankful, there is nothing that can apprehend that faith. And uh so I mean we we have a catalog of testimony. You have you have a testimony that that you've received of just being a blessing. Yes, sir. Talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

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SPEAKER_01 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

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SPEAKER_01 33:07

Yeah.

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SPEAKER_01 33:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Not knowing what they had going on. Apparently they had stuff going on, they were struggling. And uh one of her children had told her, Man, we're struggling. I know you pray a lot. He must not be real. God must not be real. And then I get she got a phone call from me. Yeah. And I blessed her, and he uh he was more grateful than she was, apparently. He was so happy. He started praying every night after that. He started doing things.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

And there's one- Just from being a blessing.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Mm-hmm. And there's a woman here at our church who's gonna who they were gonna bless. They were they were gonna go to Sam's Club, get some food for her, and on the way there, that lady was like, I don't know if we should get her food. I think she may need some money or something. And he said, Don't worry, Mama, I'm gonna give her all my savings. Isn't that from his birthday?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Yeah. So from all his birthday money he was willing to give it away. So he went from doubting God to believing in God to wanting to sew into somebody else because he saw God move. That's the God view. That is right there.

unknown 34:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

That's as powerful as a scientist orbiting the moon.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Yeah. Because that's what happens when God moves in your life, or when you know something happens, you cannot keep it to yourself. It should it should prompt in you the desire to share it and then give it in a very similar way. So I mean the Bible talks about how we are made overcomers by the blood of the Lamb, but it's the word. There it is, and the word of our testimony. So it's our faith in action, through our words, saying what God has done for us, what he's done for other people. And I mean that that spreads like wildfire. It's it I mean, that's exactly what happened in the early church.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

So we're talking about these this dualistic um, this tenuous relationship between the will of God in heaven being done on earth, and then he gives us this word in in uh Matthew, and he's he's talking to us about uh as it is in heaven, so be it on earth. And that's talking about alignment. So cabout is the expressed weight, presence, glory of God. But it only flows through a man or a woman who's in alignment with God, right? Uh effectually. It can flow through anybody, but it flows effectually to the betterment and and building up of faith and people and ministry. It flows when you're in alignment with him, right? So the challenge for the church is to be in alignment with him, and you cannot be in alignment with him where you're withholding a testimony. See, this is the curse of Revelation, the second chapter. This is talking about the Nicolaitan spirit. You know, I I really I'm I'm on that. You have been, yeah. Because uh this this is the end time, this is the spirit of Balaam wrapped up in a new garment for the end time church, and it's the very thing, it's that pessimistic nature of a man that wants to sit down in id idleness and not engage culture with a testimony. And so passivity drowns the tongue. And when you get when you get in that quarter, you've got to overcome it with the word of the testimony and the blood of the Lamb. So, yeah, I mean, I I love the fact that they've gone into deep space past the moon, and they've given us a view of what God sees and how apropos that is for the for the child of God to take hold of the word and say, everyday science is proving that every element, every well, in the Hebrew, every dot and tittle of the Word of God is being fulfilled. And this young man that uh brings out the the hematite that's that's uh covering now the face of the moon. That's not happened anywhere any time before now in history. And suddenly there's been a some sort of veil that's been rended in the heavens that's allowing the oxygen of Earth's orbit to penetrate the atmosphere of the moon. Think about that. Yeah, well, I mean all to fulfill a word that was spoken. And if you realize creation's got to change so a word can be fulfilled.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

That that doesn't happen by it's not like it just happened immediately. It's taken time and it's now it's just come to a point where we're realizing it and seeing it, or we have the technology to be able to actually visually see that. Well, you know, it's God has always said that you know He He He has a plan, obviously, and that He has written His plan amongst the stars, yeah, and then we're actually becoming to a place where we can actually start to understand it, even in a small, small realm. Well, this guy brought up a very great point, is the most important thing to realize isn't to live in fear or to look at this and like, oh, the the moon's turning red, but to say, now is the time that I can't I can't sit idly by. That's right. I can't just sit on my laurels, I can't just say, okay, well, I think I might be safe. Right. I need to let everybody know. I need to to connect with as many people and say the time is at hand. That's it, it's at hand. And if you truly love somebody.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Yeah, trying to make people around. And that's why the Church of Champions, we call it the research wing of heaven. We're always doing something new to see if we can we can create another door or we can find perhaps something that's been blocked and open it up, but avenues by which we can accelerate the kingdom. Yeah, no, and that's why I'm so excited about this epic dreams thing, is because this is really a gift from God by us being allowed to be chosen as their 2026 recipient, every dollar they receive is going to the mission of the church. Do you know what could happen if we had a a crowdfunding apparatus to where, you know, I don't know, 100,000 people buy tickets and and suddenly we're able to pay off the debt and the mortgage of this church? Do you know what kind of change that would make in the kingdom of God in our region?

SPEAKER_03 39:33

Yeah. I mean, you saw, I mean, they were um they had something, they had a festival or something. The land fest downtown. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Do you have yeah, let's talk about this epic dreams.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Let's show this video that we'll talk about. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

That was downtown Houston. Five thousand people bought tickets to the to the Latin Fest. We had we had center stage, Ricardo's out there on the stage hollering and screaming and shouting. Team of people down there. Isn't that fun? Yeah, yeah. And there's so many people excited from all over the world that are engaging this thing. I think that this is absolutely an instrument of God's grace. And uh, and through all of those connections, you know, this week we're we're being presented on Times Square in New York. And so this thing is going global.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

And what would happen if we could infuse the kingdom with so much finance that we could accelerate this podcast, that we could accelerate the kingdom of God, that we could advertise, that we could do the things that we've wanted to do and have in the past done. Yeah. What happens when you're able to bless the people and they're they're needing groceries and they're needing this or needing that? I guarantee you we're much better stewards than the federal government. Yeah, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

So so uh Kingdom of Heaven on earth as it is in heaven, as it is in heaven. So I saw that uh website address. Can you put that up there again? Epic Dream World. Yeah, so those people who want to get more information and want to connect with that, um, the EpicDreamworld.com is what it was, correct?

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Yeah. Epic Dreams World, I think. Epic Dreams.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Dreams, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Dreamsworld.com. So um, so you can get connected with this. Because I mean, this is I mean, it's fun, number one. It's a fun opportunity. I bought my ticket. Yeah, so it's a fun opportunity. You can have an access to uh opportunity to win a Lamborghini, I think.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

What you're actually doing is you're you're uh you know, this thing has been is being managed by a law firm in Manhattan. It's very sophisticated, but um you're purchasing these almost like baseball cards, they're digital. Okay. And as a result of you purchasing that product, then you get whatever it is, 20 tickets, hundred tickets, it depending on what level you buy. But the more the more you purchase whatever package you purchase depends on how many tickets are put in the drawing. And then the drawing is going to be made in in Manhattan, I believe, uh by a law firm that that works with these kinds of prizes and so forth. So it's very regulated. And it's very uh I mean, that's not something we're doing. Sure, sure. So um, yeah, I I wanted to be one of the first to to uh purchase my um my things so I could see and make sure that the process was uh ethical and and and above board and so forth. And I'm very, very pleased. I'm excited about being a recipient of it. I'm excited about what it's gonna do for our church, our our gym, our all of our outreaches. My God, if we could, if we could be out of debt here. And I say if as a statement of faith, when when we're out of debt here, you know, you're talking about such a load being lifted off of us that i I can't imagine what all the the good that we can do, you know.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Well, I just look at you know all the all the wonderful things that God has used each facet of the ministries here to and what levels it's impacting people, you know, just from the gym, right? The people that we've seen's lives changed.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Um to the Well, we had thirty or forty people here yesterday from the gym.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Yeah, so Sunday. Uh and it's it's really I was talking to someone last week actually. Um, you know, we were leaving the I was leaving the gym here. It was, I don't know, probably eight, eight thirty, something like that. I was finishing my last client. And when I walked outside, I saw two people having a little discussion, right? And God gives you discernment. You can see, you know. And so I just kind of popped by and I was like everything okay. And, you know, so the conversation abruptly ended. And, you know, one of the young people uh was getting ready to leave and they stopped and they said, Hey, can I talk to you real quick? You know, and they had tears down their eyes. And what am I to say? Yeah, sure. Right. So, you know, we started talking, and so this individual has the same thing, just you know, very similar to the other universal. I had a chance to baptize them, not just a few months ago. Um, and then you know, they've been coming to Bible studies and they've been going to small groups, and you know, they specifically came into the gym from a friend of a coach of a friend, and they've stayed, even though you know not everybody else has. And, you know, just seeing their life transform and seeing how the decisions they're making and the things that they're doing, and so that individual was pouring into someone else that's hurting, you know, and so they're being used of God in a way that I could never be used, yeah, you know, with the particular individual that they were speaking with. Sure. You know, and so you know, it's amazing to see the all these seeds. I think of the sower and the seed and you know, the parable that Jesus talked about, that you know, we're all planting these seeds in different places of people's lives, right? And so we don't stop, yes, we keep going. And so whether it's through BC fitness, whether it's through optimal family care, we had uh Vanessa on just a few weeks ago talking about the impact of that ministry and Morgan.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Uh, you know, whether it's through We had a lady here who is Muslim yesterday, and she came up to me and approached me after uh uh she was in the altar. She approached me afterwards and she was about to get on a plane to go to Amsterdam this morning, and her one of her family members passed away and she was having to uh to go to Amsterdam but she wanted me to pray with her and she said that she was there because Morgan's testimony on the podcast changed her life. That's awesome. That's awesome. Wow, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

So I mean that's just a word on a podcast to someone that drew them in. And they saw God in it.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Yeah. Saw hope. Yeah. And she said, I don't believe like you. And I said, Well, I hope we can change that. And uh she said, There's something in here is very real, and she said, that lady named Morgan spoke to me. She didn't even know it was my daughter. Said that that spoke to me. And so uh I can I meet her? And I took her straight outside and she met TK and Morgan talking. And so she's gonna connect with that group that Morgan's raising up. Awesome. So uh yeah, they're gonna do an online study. And uh withholding your testimony is the great scourge of the church on planet earth.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Well, you said it, so I gotta say it again. I gotta do my testimony now. You said it for a second time. You've been telling me to say it. So here at the church, we have we do a lot of things here. Yeah. A lot of things for the community. Yeah. And the only way we do that is from the community. You pour in and it helps out. You hear stories like that. And we have this podcast from people who give.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Last week I was at work, I wasn't tithing, you know, I wouldn't do my part, and then it hit me, it's like, you gotta tithe.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

You gotta tithe. And so it was before the workday started, because you you taught me to walk into my office and pray over everything. Yes, sir. And so I pray over every file, every client, every everything I pray over every time I walk in there. Yes, sir. And I was I got done praying, I was like, man, how can you be praying over this, but you ain't even you're not submitting, you're not tithing. You're not doing this part, you haven't done it, you haven't done it yet. I was like, all right, I need to tithe. So I tithe. A little bit more than I was supposed to, but I tithe. That one day, that because it was an office, it was a work day, that one day was the most I made in a single day throughout the this whole year, in a single day. And in that seven days, I did the math from seven days I made in one week, I made the entire month of February.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

Come on now.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Yeah, that's only God. Literally, only God. That was me just submitting.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Showing to you his glory. Yes, and it was so so the message in that is much like these scientists are are confirming, the more we submit to a God view, the more liberty and and freedom we experience. Blessing and favor. You can't listen, you can argue with people all day long that don't believe in giving, and they'll have all kinds of logical sounding reasons why they don't have to give. But you take a man with that kind of experience, see, nobody can triumph over you. They can't argue out of they they can't convince you that what you've experienced is not real. Right. Right? That's like me uh telling you about that miracle that time that I was on empty and had no money, and I drove from Mobile, Alabama, in a motor home that you know had the gas gas biology was like four miles per gallon, you know. Horrible. And I drove nine hours from Mobile, Alabama to Houston, Texas on empty.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Right. And I can guarantee there's people out there.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Nobody can talk me out of there.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

No, there's people out there gonna say, oh, he's over-exaggerating.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Of course, you know, I mean they should have been riding with me.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

Yeah, and they would have known. That's right. I think that, you know, I I've heard you tell that story many times, you know, and I'm listening to your testimony. I hadn't had a job in almost 10 years, so I haven't gotten a paycheck in probably 10 years. So I've been riding on empty for 10 years. And uh I'm just let you know. But somehow, somehow my my vehicle always has gas in it, and you know, I have not missed a meal, and nobody's coming taking me too much. I mean, like I work really hard in several different places. I mean, you make me work all the time, you're trying to make me go to do funerals and weddings all the time. The Lord's gonna bless you. Yeah, uh-huh. So I'm working, I'm working non-stop. But somehow, it's amazing. God always provides, He always takes care of us. I don't, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't ever, you know, I grew up the way I grew up, you know, I I I I felt like we were poor. But we weren't, yeah, not at all, you know. Um, but my parents were just very frugal, yeah, you know, and they believed in spaulding and voigt for tennis shoes rather than Nike and uh you know one of the finer things in life. But uh, you know, we always lived very frugally, you know, and I grew up on a farm and you know, we raised a lot of what we ate and all this other stuff. And, you know, uh I live now and I look at my life and I look at you know our possessions of the thing we have, and it's much, much more extravagant than anything I grew up with. Um but even with that, it's not extravagant. It's not, you know, we're not by any stretch of the image. But the thing I look at is I don't ever think in my life there's ever been a point that I ever felt like I was without. That's right. Except for when I was running away from God. Yeah. Except for when I wasn't living underneath the submission and letting the letting God be the Lord of my life. That is when I felt lack. Yeah, that is when I felt like I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

Well, you're several because your relationship is severed from the giver of all life. There it is, yeah. See, what we have to understand is like going back to what Rocky's talking about, is when I'm in submission to his word. It's not about me giving him anything, it's about me getting in alignment so he can give me everything. Right? And so that's why our definitions of lack are so extremely different from people that don't have a relationship with God. I live very frugally now, and I'm living below a standard I've never lived at, you know, uh until I I mean I was I was newly married, uh I didn't have anything. But it's been a long time since I've lived on this little, right? Uh, because I'm plowing everything I can into the church. But my little is most people's extravagance. Right. Yeah. Right?

unknown 52:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

And I'm thinking, my God. Well, the someone brought that to my attention a a couple of weeks ago when I was in California, and they said so and so and so. And I just looked at them and I said, I smiled and I said, Oh, well, my little is in definition to his greatness. Right? Yeah. So it's not uh He won't he has such immutable blessings that he's defined and assigned to your life that if you don't receive them, it's an alignment problem, not a God problem. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Right? And so I always want to make course corrections, and I'm the same way. When I whenever I get paid anything, the first thing I do is pay tithes. I give my tithe, I bring it by zeal instantly to the Lord. I love that lady. I bring it to the Lord, right? And it's because I want him in position as first so that I'm in position as his first. And it's not paying him to get something, it's I'm bringing it to him out of submission, and that keeps me in alignment so that the conduit is open and everything he's assigned to me can flow to me. And it keeps my trust in order. I'm trusting in him, not the thing that he's blessed me with. Right. So it's it's it's a circular continuum. It's just it's just the revolution, if you will, of a galaxy of blessing and word and anointing and and breakthrough. And it just continues to flow, and it it never is exhausted. So uh that's why I'm I'm so thankful for all these opportunities and different avenues, is because we shouldn't be frugal and saying we gotta hold this because we don't we only have a limited resource. We should be praying, God, give me more, right? Give us more. Look at this business plan. That's the business plan. Yeah, put God first and let Him take control of the charts and the graphs, and I promise you it goes like this. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's uh I think that's the message overall, is when we step back and we see from God's perspective or we have that God view, is that God's gonna be able to do way more with nothing than we could ever do with everything.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Can you imagine what would happen to the church if every believer was stumbling over their words like that scientist? Yes. What's happened to you? I I hadn't had time to process it. I can't I I I might have to get back with you next week because I hadn't had time to slow down and think about it.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

It says everything is so wonderful and majestic and glory still going through the same stuff, but everything's wonderful and majestic.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

Because the view changed. Yeah. Wow. What a life. What a life. Yeah. You have got to get a hold of this, brothers and sisters, ladies and gentlemen, friends and foreigners, you've got to get a hold of this word, and you've got to make sure that you're calibrating your life so that you have a God vision. You want a God vision over your life, you want a God word ruling and reigning over your day. And so take this inspiration. Go back and check. Listen to these scientists and the astronauts that have circled the moon and been thrust into deep space and looking back on creation and looking back on planet Earth, how awesome and awestruck they are. That's exactly the kind of life God wants to lead all of us into, so that we're beholding his glory, and we too are awestruck with the weight of his majesty. We love you. We thank God for you.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

As always, thank you guys for tuning in. If you haven't already, subscribe, like the channel, and share it with somebody. Also, yesterday, Pastor just dropped an amazing substack about the Ark of the Covenant. And I love like Indiana Jones, things like that, where it's always like what's the discovery, what's next to come. I love it. We don't know if it's official yet, but just the thought of it coming back is an amazing thought. And so go watch that, subscribe to it, and share that with somebody else because that is a powerful word that we get twice a week that we are, I think we just take for granted.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

Yeah, for sure. No, I mean I think the thing is more than anything, guys, we've got to be on mission. And uh, whether you're a part of the Church of Champions here in the building or you're part of the online community, you can do so much simply by hitting that thumbs up, simply by sharing, making sure that not only you're subscribed, but you're encouraging other people to do so as well. Um, so the impact is huge, guys. And remember, we talked about it, it's like the sower in the seed. Whatever little thing you do, you don't know what little thing someone else is doing. Every time that that thread gets spread, every time we have those points of contact, you are making an impact. I promise you of that. And so we can all do this together as a body of Christ on mission to love people back to the passion and the purpose of Jesus Christ. So don't ever, ever think that you're not making a difference just because you're hitting a little button. You can do great things.