EP. 3 2B Hog Dogs

In this episode we have on Kenneth and Tkeil Smith with 2B Hog Dogs! From Olla, LA these brothers know how to round up some pork. Good stories and a little springtime hunting recap. This is one you don't want to miss!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What's going on, y'all? It's Ryan Rankin with Boars and Brass. I got Carter on the line, Joey Wright on the line, and this is another episode of Showtime. We got also got two big dogs on the line, two of the best hog doggers that I know, two of the coolest dudes around. And um we got tennis and tequil with two B hog dogs out of Ola, Louisiana. That's how y'all say Ola? Ola.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Oh, that's all.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

It's Ola. Ola, Louisiana, baby.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Dude, I got cut out by four times for saying Ola. They're like, this ain't from Mexico, boy. This is Ola.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Oh, yeah, it it happens. That's funny. That's funny. Well, well, tell us a little bit about yourself, you guys. I know I know y'all having hog doggers out in your area. Um we just wanna just want to get y'all on the horn and shoot the shit. We had a good time back at Upper Earls with y'all. We got a flip window hunting, but we just wanna we just want to hear about y'all a little bit what 2B Hog Dog is all about. Uh it's just something uh men skill was actually just sitting around the house one day and uh something we kind of I guess you can all do together, you know. And uh I've always thought trying to come up with something that, you know, for me and him and uh a little town name or and uh I said, hell, I I I guess was thinking too deep, couldn't ever think of nothing, couldn't ever think of nothing. And I said, uh, hell, two brothers, two be. And uh it just hit me one day, you know, but uh that's kind of where the name comes from. That's just don't nobody know, that's just what two beats stands for, two brothers. But uh we got a little side joke. We got a uh probably aren't not saying here, but we got a few other names to call it, depending on what day it is. But uh we just kind of as I said no to podcast, you know. Grew up with dogs. Uh my dad had dogs, bulldogs, and uh I don't know, me and Kill got 11, 12 years old, kinda started tinkering with our own stuff and pretty much roadside much is what it was. And uh kind of just, you know, took off with it from there and uh pulled with a little bit of tree and dogs, uh tried to squirrel hunt a little bit. Kill actually had a one of the dogs he's probably gonna talk about on here is uh a dog we started trying to coon hunt a little bit. And he he treated he he liked it, but we actually put him on some hoes and he liked dogs way better. And uh was kind of you know hog hunt thumbs cooned on his thumb and actually that dog was where the hog took off being killed. Yeah. So good deal. Good deal. Now uh while Carter was damn baying tens in the bay pen in Louisiana and Uncle Earl's with 12, uh me and Cody or me and uh Joey Wright got to do some football and do some hunting with you guys, man. Um and I we I can't I can't thank y'all enough. We had a great time, dude. Uh y'all was y'all's dogs, you got some powerhouse of dogs, man.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

From banging all them sounders in the woods. Did not hear, did not hear, did not hear.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

No, that that's I I was impressive. That was uh that was some of the most impressive dog work I've seen in a while. Um for real, like I was really I was like when y'all was talking about how not ahead would be up sounders, I thought, I mean, y'all say we would pass up hogs and bay up sounders, that's I was thinking that was bullshit until I get to see it in real life. And uh I thought that was I thought that was actually amazing. Now, now how where'd y'all get these line of dogs from? How'd y'all get those uh dogs going like that? So so not ahead come from uh it's kind of funny how it ended up with him. He he come from my buddies out of Arkansas. We actually became pretty good buddies over the last year and a half, two years, uh named Logan Stag. He's I guess around my age, uh 28 or so, he may be 28, 29, and uh anyhow, so he I had a litter of Bulldog puppies and uh off of Vader and uh a little red chip I got called Crimson. And uh y'all seen Vader, y'all didn't get to see him, you know. I I don't know what happened to him that day. He he kind of got banged up, I guess, the hunt before, and I guess the aftermath or whatever happened, you know, just kind of caught up to him a little later or whatever. I don't know. He he wasn't acting right that day. That morning we met up to y'all the first morning, and uh he owned broke. And uh so I that's why I put him back in the box. But anyhow, Logan wanted the puppies, and uh he said, hell yeah, he said, I'd like to buy a puppy from you. And I I said, I, you know, I didn't want I wasn't gonna sell him. I said, just come get it. And uh he said, I want to give you something for it. And he went to talking about some uh literally he had a cur puppies and he said, I'll swap you one of these curve puppies for the bulldog, and I said, Okay. And uh, so that's kind of how that went about. So uh the two gets that I had that y'all seen that made the first dog, honey and brownie, their mama on the dad's side actually goes back to some of the same dogs now that they did. So it's kind of some of the same dogs already, you know, on her sire side. And uh that's actually why I was kind of, you know, excited to get the puppies out of them too, because they go back to some of them dogs that them boys fooled with and uh and Dixie's been happy with what I fool with. So uh I was all surrounded by good dogs, you know. And uh but as far as all them other dogs I had uh Grizz, honey and brown and them go back to some dogs. We've been fooling with for about five years now, meant to kill. And uh that Grizz dog I've talked about before in other podcasts, uh, he he was a real nice dog, and uh that's just kind of where all them dogs fell in, you know. Um and that's how I ended up with a not head dog. Yeah, well he's a he's a he's a he's a damn good one. He's a damn good one. That's it. Oh yeah, he's gonna be a good thing. I mean, all y'all's dog all y'all's dogs are damn jam up.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

I'm not singling that dog out. I just seen from the I just ain't never seen no shit like that where he'd bait up that many sounders like that.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

That was impressive to me. Man, he he started making a habit of that uh but the dog I I think he just turned to uh April nineteenth. So uh and honey and brownie turned to April 23rd. So they're brand new two-year-old, you know. And uh he kind of started making it skill skill thing, you know, he a lot of times it's just me and him hunt together and he's seen it, you know, from start to finish. Uh he if if you put him on a very fresh track, you can believe it or not, skills of living with I would almost and he still may kind of do it right now. I but this time last year, I'd be embarrassed to put him on a fresh track in front of people. He would backtrack. He would go the wrong way. Oh yeah. And I'm telling you, I don't know if he went found the rest of the family, I don't know what he done or how he done it, I should say. This dog would have, I would put him on a big track crossing the road, killed dogging up there and jumped or busted up a group and you know, running some and uh that's how we catch a lot of them big hoes that come out of them blocks across the gravel, we find the big track and stuff on them, nine times a fence, one of them big bars. And uh I'd put him on it, sucker backtrack, and I would get aggravated, and I was trying to be patient, and I'd tone him, tone him, hollered. He caught me on the right day one day and I bumped him. I don't know, he probably won't five or six, just enough to make him holler. Look, I took her kid truck and I said, God. And uh long story short, he went out there and baited about 30 hollows. I said, There ain't no way this was that. Well, he kind of started making a habit out of it. And uh it's like I told Joey that day we was hunting. I said, I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing, but you you go by yourself and you want to just bait one sometimes. I want to just pay one hog and you know I done that little uh uh virtual hunt Alan was putting on, I guess the month of January. And between me baying about 30 hogs every single time I casted them. And uh between that and me saving some of my main spots for them tournaments, like you know, kind of screwed myself. But yeah, I just done it for fun. You know, it it was all fun. So now how do you uh how do you how do you justify going in there and kicking the hog you want to catch out of that group? I mean, because are you baying? Are you ba are you baying him with other dogs or is is he doing that mostly by himself, banging them big founder? So I entered him and Allen's uh whatever he's calling that deal, uh the one dog, which one nose and bulldog. He didn't have no help bag. And uh that was my main problem. I made the hogs I needed to wipe that tournament out. It's just there was about 15, 20 other hogs standing there looking at me while I was trying to, you know, uh I mean it it it was it was aggravating, but it it was fun. You know, we I caught some good hogs out of it, but uh you know, when the when the when the time needed to come, I needed to catch a good hog. It's like it took a go bay about 30 hogs, and I needed one. And uh he was made in water, can't put him on a big track, actually him in the mixy, but uh no that one got made. I said uh uh I got this real good video. Well, big water hole. I was like, well, that ain't nothing but salving shots. Me and our buddy John was sitting there watching them. I look over and there's a big bar kind of come out of the bushes. Uh we actually caught two good bars that day, and both of them came out of groups. But we're in there, and John shoots at that bar, and if he hears this, he says he hit it, but that I saw dirt fly. Well they off a little bit that day again. Well uh nothead DC goes back again. The group kind of busts up and not head just runs through the middle of the group, and I'm trying to call Ken so I know the hole's coming right to him, but he passed up about ten holes one at the back with that big bar that day. I can't do that more than once too. That's awesome. Yeah, he he's a fun hole. He is. I'm I'm is that one of your better hogs you dogs you've had over the time, or what what do you think your best one was? The best one I've ever had is uh not not his he's he's up there on the list, especially for his age. Yeah. Um like I said, he the dog just turned two. Uh I mean he's young, so the best one I've ever had is gonna still gonna be the Grizz dog, but I'm I'm also comparing uh, you know, three and a half. Grizz got killed at four, uh, I think a month after he turned four. So I'm also comparing that, you know, a more seasoned dog, in other words. And uh, you know, like it he was one of them dogs that just made it look super easy. I mean when there'd be times I'd go hunting, we'd hunt all day and I would never turn them loose because I didn't have to. I don't think I'll ever have another dog like them all around. I never clipped him up on the four-wheeler at a hundred four lot back then. You could pull up to a bay and there'd be thirty, forty dogs out there rallying and cutting up, fussing, and he he'd never hardly stick his hand up off the rack. And uh you could turn him loose and he'd go out there in the bay. I could tell I could tell him get out one time, he'd come to me. He he was just one of them dogs that you probably get once in a lifetime, like so you know and uh Yeah. But uh but no head is he is he is he's doing good. And uh there's a lot of them dogs come out of them l uh that line of dogs that uh Logan pose with that's that's doing real good. And uh so he he he's not you know, he's not just a he ain't just a you know a freak accident type dog. Yeah. Now how how did uh how did that how did that grizz dog perish? How did he what? Pass away. How did that how did that dog pass away? Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I I was going through it now. It it it's one of them things I think I'll you know, I'll die of kicking myself in the butt over uh so I keep my dog in kennels and uh I didn't have him in the kennel at the time. Yeah and uh it's one of them things I said, oh I'll I'll get on it this weekend or I'll I'll I'll get a my kennel one of my latches broke on my door or whatever and uh had him on a spare train. Yeah. And uh anyway, I kept pretty much procrastinating and uh my what happened is it it's something that'll probably never happen again. Skill was actually the one that found him and went back there and checked on my dogs for me, and uh I was at work and he had to go to a funeral and I just had a bad feeling. I texted him. I asked him if he could go check on my dogs, and uh he went and checked on him before he left and uh I had about I got back in my truck, uh law truck, um had about seven or eight missed calls. I said something wrong. Kill don't ever call me that many times. And I just got a bad feeling and uh long story short, Baylor got off the train and uh they got a little old tussle with a tussle, yeah. And yeah, Grizz Grizz didn't win. Yeah, I mean them them yard accidents will happen, it's unfortunate, but those things will they'll happen. And it only happens when ain't nobody around. What you know, I mean uh what what's bad is and you know, some people stretches their stories and all this and say that he he he literally walked past the doc seven of my dogs on the chain and and and got that one. Wow. And uh which I'm sure I'm sure Grizz, you know, may have sparked it up or whatever, you know, been a dominant her dog. Yeah. But uh it's one of those things. What was it, like a month or two later, you lost Grizz's brother? Grizz had a brother that he was he was named at dog too. I mean he was above average dog too. And I think it was two months later he banged a big bar hog, or say big a good bar hog, and it broke and he never moved and he had one little old poke in him. Yeah, yeah, poke right behind the jaw. I actually so Grizz got killed in December and I lost a dog in January, barely a month apart. I lost two of my best dogs just back to back. That's r that's rough, man. That's uh that's a rough sequence right there, for sure. Yes, sir, for sure. Now what uh what what attributes do you guys look for you and your dogs that stand out to you guys? So I'm I guess between and I'll let Skill explain his part, between my dad, you know Matt Skill pretty much is you know, until we got turned list by ourselves, he was around old heads. I guess that's where we blessed that, you know, put us, I guess however many, so many years ahead of the game, you can call it uh you know, tallest tricks that would have, you know, took six, eight, ten years to find out ourselves and they, you know, it got showed to us. But um my main thing is I guess besides obviously, you know, you got you got to show me you got hard, you got to go work. Um but I really like a dog with brains. Listen, uh I I I I think I would put up with a little above average dog that has stupid good brains. I I guess that's kind of contradictory. Don't make sense with super good real good things, you know. But uh I think I think I would honestly put up with a little over mediocre dog that had a really good handle than a a really nice dog that was just, you know, berserk, that just lost his mind when you turned him loose. It was hard to deal with. I I it's hard for me to deal with a dog like that, you know. Um the way mints kill hunt a lot, we don't catch or send a bulldog to every hole we pay if that makes sense. Uh we go out there and bail water salad or something, meant to kill, unless we got a puppy on the ground, we immediately call our dog off. And uh if I can't, you know, if we gotta sit there and fight with you and holler and get all, you know, warped up over trying to get you off of the bay, that's I don't like that. Yeah. I mean, I that's one thing I noticed how you and Jody Jody can probably testify for this uh when we hunt with you guys. It just it's a good it's a relaxed, good time, man. There ain't a rush about anything. That's right. Um dogs will fall bay, we'll just take our time getting around to them and listen to listen to the damn sound or freaking grunt and carry on while the dogs is banging them up and it's just it's just a good good old time. And the bull dogs are I think a lot of people miss that. Yeah, I think a lot of people miss that when they run their rough dogs and stuff like that. But yeah. Yeah, your bulldog's well mannered. Hell, you even uh Caden Ballard's dog was was well mannered. That little that little uh dog he brought. You know, uh I don't know how well mannered.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

How well mannered is Caden. Okay, I'll find out. I'll come back around that way.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Uh the last just feel less or less. Oh yeah, it's funny man. And then uh I guess I think Aiden's got some good novels too. He's got some I think all of his like that up. Oh yeah, everybody's listening to this. I know I know old uh Gary Wright loves the white boy rig, but he was loading up on that box all day, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

I'm not calling that. I got a lot of big white boy rigged. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

I like I like old Caden man. Uh I thought I thought he was older than what he was when I got on his Facebook. I think it said he was like born in 03 or 06 or something like that. I was like, damn, he's he's a he's an old soul. Yeah, I I think uh oh yeah, Caden's a he's a good guy. I think I think he I think he's younger than Skeel, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think I think he is. I got I had him on Facebook and I saw I think it says oh three or oh two, and I'm like, dang, man, he's young. Oh yeah. Yeah. But uh how how many uh how many litters do y'all have usually raised a year? Because I know I know I was fortunate enough to bring home a puppy, and uh we brought a couple more home for some South Carolina boys that hunt in the tournaments uh off the Nothead dog and the other dog. And uh I mean I mean, I mean, and then you got another litter on the ground right now, don't you? Or that's a little younger than I. I do. I do, yeah. Uh that would be off of not heading Dixie. Uh Dixie is definitely my best jet. Probably that's what she she acts like a typical woman sometimes, though. She gets in her moves and she's one of them dogs you turn loose, she don't want to be turned loose with a pile of other dogs. She don't like, you know, some new dogs bumping up against her, she she's not having it. You gotta turn loose with one or two dogs she likes, or maybe she's really a solo. She's better like Nada. She she she likes being by herself. You can turn loose with her two daughters, honey, honey and brownie. And they may go a hundred yards, and next thing you know, she's going to the right and they may go to the left. She she just she's always been like that. But uh little hexers can get big quick. And uh she's fast, she's throwing honey and brownies, got some big smaller dogs. I don't know if y'all have noticed when I told them out of the box, they ain't which they're young too. Uh baby big dog. That's that big one off. But they she she's nice. So uh that litter I just had, I think, is seven weeks old now. And uh really, man, skill may would just have one litter a year or so if that. But I got uh I bred Dixie the first time to Grizz, which was that half brother, sister breeding. They had the same mama, different days. And uh so I've I've I was always kind of been after that cross, that breeding, specific breeding, and uh definitely within two dogs. And uh I bred her kind of young, I bred her a little over a year and a half old, but it was either that or lose the whole line. She was only there were two puppies out of her litter. The old Jeff I had, she done got old, and uh she went to having one and two puppies. Uh matter of fact, the last time I bred her, she had one. I was wanting another female, she had a male, and I sent it to Jay Brooks up in Arkansas. And uh he still got him right now. But anyhow, uh that one uh she had two little puppy uh females. It worked out perfectly. That's what I was wanting to keep. One of them got out of the kennel while I was at work, one of the big dogs on the chain, bit it on the head, and it it didn't last about five days, went to have a seizures and I took it to the vent, fit, I don't know, probably I think six hundred bucks on it. I think it lived two more days. And uh so that I ended up with just one out of that litter. So I was walking on thin ice for a long time. And uh I bred Dixie to Grizz and he got killed not long after. So, you know, if I would have never done that, I'd have been out of, you know, been in the mind. So uh and between that and losing Grizz and then uh his brother like Skills was talking about, I told Skiel, I said, I that I won't let that happen again. So uh we try to stay around I guess I said all that to say this, we try to stay around probably two. litter a year and if we fit pretty good, both of us. Let something just you know wild happens to my dog the hook out. But skill's got some of the same dog. He's got plenty as right now I'm I'll have plenty to I probably won't make another another breed uh probably four years so you know it was it was the same thing with me. So the the mama to the fucking you got I I got a brother here now but um Daly my dad get her dad he got killed. So I mean I bred her that's why I bring her this year again. It it was the same thing like Ken said if something happens to her then I I'll lose that that blood. And I mean they're decent dogs for sure but I think this year is the most me and Ken is probably the bread if he gets at a time but we both normally if he breeds again most of the time we me and him just keeps them and we got two buddies Dawson Doyle and uh Jake B that we'll split puppies with but uh I don't know I I like Ken said I I learned even when you want to you better breed them. Yeah. Yeah that's right. Now now them puppies man they look good. They always look good. All the puppies I've seen on your Snapchat and your litter they've y'all had looked great. Uh what's the process y'all y'all got a special process of how y'all raise your pups? Oh so I guess between my you know both of us are gonna be pretty much about the same. I'm sure y'all heard it before. Uh I guess you get them past the dying stage you can go getting sick, you know, making sure they get after shots and worms yada yada. Uh men is a real big fan of just once you know they're gonna make it as far as you know not get sick over any little thing that happens or weather changes or three whatever you know the case may be. Turn 'em loose and almost forget you got 'em. Uh yeah. I'm a big fan of that. Actually Honey and Brownie pretty much started themselves uh at my place. I had a big pasture behind my house and I had a hole pen on one side I got some uh had some butterhogs in and uh I actually would throw a wild fowl in there every now and then trying to get a bread to that boar of mine. But I actually they were running loose and I went back there to feed one day and I don't know honey and brownie and whatever other puppy they had their knothead and they they were just big enough to walk over the dang grass back there and uh I went back here I said that dang well that tail's gone and uh she hadn't been gone long as I was just back there you know about three, four hours prior to that. Uh she's around here somewhere and she was an old poor bony tail a buddy of mine had just caught with a dog. She wasn't you know all spired up and full of sponks so I knew she wasn't far in this real bad thicket behind my pastor. And um I wasn't paying no mind I was throwing some feet in my straw for my butt at all and uh them little them little puppies they sound like little squeaky toys when they went to barking they wasn't they wasn't loud at all. And I was sitting there pouring feet and I heard her went to barking and one more went to barking and I said well I don't think I said no damn weather man that's hell and uh they kept on and kept on I said they're out there messing with stuff you know whatever it may be they'll they'll I guess eventually come out they bathed probably another 20 30 more minutes and uh I got to getting curious so I went grabbed that little red door dog gift of mine walked to the edge of my past room went under my fence and uh I thought I'm gonna see what this is and uh did the Lord strike me dead and down but I'm like turned her loose she went out there and I heard a little racket heard a little egg go spilling. They had that little spotted palette got in my pen bate and they probably I don't know five months old four months old. That wasn't big at all. And uh That's awesome. And just kinda you know from then on it was always near back there and uh there was a creek right behind it. A little stream a branch off of a creek actually and so there's always coons back there. I you know I had a little camera back there and I always see them and I mess with everything so I I kinda knew they had it, you know, so I just let them run loose. They kinda grew up, got got out of that puppy stage and I believe it helps with that a lot, you know you you paying a puppy up six, seven months old it's I mean it ain't no different than a kid. It's tough yeah you keep the kid cooped up in the house you know most of his life, let him out every now and then and uh that's kind of the example I give my buddies you be you got seven other kids come over here, you know, playing, playing with balls, you know, cutting up, having a good time. You let that kid out out of the house and you expect him to go break the R you expect him to go dig a hole with a shovel you know in other words you expect him to go what we call in in the dog term hunt. You expect him to go work. It's not gonna happen. I mean he's gonna want to play. I mean that's right you know you got a lot of puppies running loose they've been running loose. They they do all the playing they want super up the day and then they go to getting or to end the same scenery is kind of what I believe. And uh they go to wandering off and wandering off. They go to look you know checking out different stuff and next thing you know they're out there in the woods fiddling around and smelling different things. That's just kind of I g I guess getting off on the rent about that. That's just kinda how many feels always not our Yeah, no for sure. And I think I think it's so paramount man for for people that be able to start puppies off like that or even like have the opportunity to do that because it's just it it extends it makes them it makes the dogs become the puppies become light years ahead of the dog when you first think the woods I mean it's they'll almost be like a year old or or two years old mindset when the first time they go drop out in the woods because they've been doing it their whole life and not getting kept up man. Because I mean people don't understand that and I'm somewhat fortunate a little bit where I can do some of that. I'm not necessarily I gotta mean I got a big road frontage in front of me um where the dogs could get hit but possibly but I still got some land on my house if that could happen. But there's a lot of people that live in Florida or some parts of Georgia and stuff like that where they got to keep the dogs pinned up 247. So like when I when they take them to the woods the first time they're they're they're full on puppy mode, you know when you when your dogs have been chasing chasing rabbits and chasing squirrels and hogs that got out and stuff like that. Even like Rusty Mayor up in Oklahoma we went up there one time we were supposed to get some dogs from them and thank God they came back the day before they were gone for like four days puppies were I think I think Joey's got one of them. Yeah you know I'm talking about they were just gone like they were gone he's like oh maybe they'll come back maybe they won't they they were three miles I'll go they were three miles up the road and the and the neighbor one of the neighbors called him said hey and and one of them was cut up and they were I mean they were puppy puppies. Yeah they were like four months old yeah I turned Tuff out the very first time very first time I ever turned him out on a hunt he went with Rick 2.38 miles and sat down by he never took gone I said with it it's such a it's such a that's the same thing that happened when when Carter got girl from Uncle Pat you know this stuff's wild as shit. First time they went 900 yards first time we ever cast her went nine eight nine hundred yards is tailbase.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah first time we took her on yeah so I mean it's it's yeah that was pretty that was after she got a hold of my neighbor's chicken stuff yeah yeah yeah she came back with feathers in her mouth and I said oh I know where you've been and she killed us that to this day she killed her and my old age red healer got got out and they went down three quarters of a mile to my neighbor's house got in the barn and killed 22 chickens and three first grown chickens too oh yeah yeah my daddy broke 10 click down that's in how much my daddy broke 10 like a quarter had a cockle over over the best part about it was is how would that work when it happened the last time it called me freaking out like there's some crazy lady in our front yard screaming about chicken out the front yard like I mean we we didn't have to I mean she was there just every speak no English I just said now you know they're not gonna wait for that chickens but I don't know man I I don't believe I'm gonna roll her down a hill and I don't think I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Oh slick way old Slick Wayne Willie starts his puppies out on chickens.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

I've seen lots of videos of him banging chickens chickens and chickens and T pos yeah chickens and a T pos and a turtle and a all kinds of crazy shit and T Post any holes I'll be completely honest for a good time.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Yeah T Post is so good. Yeah that's right that's right now now you know what when we came when we came me and Joey went hunting with y'all and seeing y'all y'all interacted together of everybody y'all was hunting with and seeing how you acted with folks at uh Uncle Earl's y'all's community from what I've understood is like the old Florida way of thinking like I grew up in Florida Central Florida and everybody hog hunting with and got me into hog hunting man it was like a sin to kill the boar hogs like you didn't do that. Like you didn't kill the boar hogs. Like you can kill some sows people eat sows and stuff like that or whatever what have you but the sure enough the boars y'all was boring them man and uh there ain't many people that do that around me and Carter anymore. And it's it's almost a lack of it's almost like a forgotten culture on our side. Now in Florida they still do it but up here it's starting to become a little lackadaisical with all that uh how did y'all community get so close and the culture um they get so frowned upon to kill boar hogs where y'all are at how'd y'all how'd y'all all get on the same page and start barring everything in y'all's area well I guess I've pictures I've seen some pictures from y'all and y'all sent some pictures and other people with some people in your area. Y'all got some big ass borehogs around y'all like a lot of them not just a couple of them like a lot of them. Oh men's kill we we do that religiously uh you know on on some private tracks of uh land we got uh I guess if we you know we get some a lot of spots to hunt people after the hunt we we respect their mind. If they want them gone we we we take them out. We don't kill 'em but we take 'em out we got spots where you know that we uh we're able to relocate them to you know we're blessed with that but I guess that's where you know being living in the small town comes into play one good advantage about it you know uh everybody knows everybody uh I guess whether it's good or bad thing but uh you know kind of if you do the same thing you you I'd like to say I guess you you know you're kinda on the same page about it. I guess if you're as passionate as most of the others are um and really nine times out of ten, you know everybody that's doing it, their dad's done it and grandpa's done it. Well back then that you know I think I've heard one of y'all's other podcasts. Um you know people don't have to do it for a living nowadays but back then they did. Yeah. So you know you get shown ropes by these guys or these guys and you know well that's all they know. You know I guess you know there's not a stock law around here anymore like it used to be. But uh that they they still believe in them ways. And men still just kind of you know picked it up. Some of them guys left off with it, you know we still we still do it like always. Uh we won't kill nothing, we don't plan on eating eating it if it's in b in a bad you know if it's in bad, bad shape because of the dogs we you know we take care of it but uh we you know I'm not gonna watch something suffering no matter how bad I don't want to do it but uh I'm not gonna watch it, you know, being a mind so uh you know I guess being shown ropes from these guys that you know that lives in ways and you know live those type of days you know that's that's how they they're families and uh you know back then hope was a lot different than they are now. I'm sure y'all hear the same thing about y'all and it's but it it wasn't nothing you know the guys we hunt with Minskel really these last few years just started kind of really hunting with other people our age honestly for the first eight nine ten years we hunted like I said uh good buddy of ours John Cruise he's he's an older fella but he's I mean he's a good guy he taught Minskill a lot. Uh what my dad didn't teach us he probably did and uh you know it's that like I said that that's how they all done it. So I mean that's kind of the only way we know really you know um you know our grandparents my skills grandfather ate full of hogs had dogs cutting dogs I mean he done it all kind of it's just kind of in our blood you know we was thought if you're gonna kill something better eat it. I don't I ain't eat no borehog I know a lot of people got their ways of doing it I've uh I a grown mature boar hog let me rephrase that I've ate about a 40 pound boar hog so young you know young boar show my dad cooked and that it was good but a grown mature boar hog uh that fucking run me out of the house when they was trying to cook it oh I uh yeah I I understand that me and Car me and Carol yeah me and Car can testify that we went up to the Tennessee Mountains we were like Josh and stuff up there and uh many we caught a damn bank boar hog they've been trying to test for a couple years and uh this son of a gun was the toughest it was like eating the spare tire up under my truck shit and then them old touch up there they were crushing it weren't they caught her they were crushing it we were being like me and Carter say like the donut that you got the donut tire that you pull out you pull out of the back. Hey but listen man and them hooks up there like they got the cleanest water you can imagine you know eating aprons all the time like they like they they really mess with there ain't no exercise or nothing up there but boy I mean and you you gotta eat a couple pieces of it you know you got to be blind you just you just take a big old bite of cornbread and drink the the blackest coffee you ever drank in your life just wash that wash it right now and you know them old heads up there they'll come up to you that that you know they know it don't taste good. They'd be like that borehole taste good looking up to the groom you know trying to see if they'll make a baby or something. Because they know they know just as good as you do that thing don't taste good. But it's the same way the culture up there, you know you you what you kill it you eat it. Yeah. 100% borehog incident we're up in Arkansas hunting but he's Ethan in the soda Hey we got oh that that guy I thought he was joking. Uh what's his name is it T L or T O O T? OT O T. Hey man he was cool as a fan he was a real good guy but um Ethan Pennington he he dropped his doll first thing at morning they bade a real nice uh boar hog and uh he kept saying I want some nuts I want some nuts out of there I thought he was joking and man we'd all taking pictures I think it was uh New Year's Eve or something. I can't remember if it was it was some holiday and we all got together and hunted and uh we just took pictures sitting there you know talking standing around the hog doing a little normal ordeal or whatever and uh we're getting ready to walk out and he I turned around he's cutting the nuts I said he ain't joking I told the kid I said he's really getting the nuts out and uh man we got we hunted and caught some more hogs and got back to the camp later on that day and um he got him in the ice chip with the beer man you could open the lid and get you a beer out and it was like a slap in the face and uh and the the the spelling nuts and uh you can only imagine. So we got back to the camp he cut the old he cut the old film the skin off of them and I ain't gonna lie to you he cut them up little strips patterned them up and fried them it was a real good looking meat if you didn't know no if you didn't know what it was. But he was just so happened to be he was gone to the he was he wasn't around for about I don't know I think he was on the phone. I don't know what he was doing. That was who notes Killing on the phone he uh killer walk killer walked from here to Arkansas on the phone and uh I think he was on the phone and then walked about a mile off and uh so anyhow for some reason he wasn't around when we was doing all the cooking well we all done tried it and I about threw my guts up. As soon as you bit down on it it's just like the smell of the southest borehole you ever caught right in your mouth. And I and I couldn't do it. And we all got back or kill got back and we all act like we don't oh man was good. Hello Trotto He took a big old boy out of that song I thought he was going to throw his guts up and then I mean you think about it man them hog nuts are big I mean I've I've I've said you'll cook them old mountain oysters and old calf nuts and they're I mean they're tiny compared to a damn hog nut you know what I'm saying that's quite different. I I've had them where like folks like flint like thin sliced them almost like pepperoni or salami or something and then fried them up and they they honestly weren't that bad. But that ain't that ain't gonna be the first thing that I grab you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

It's just like anything else it depends on how old that bore it's like a hundred years and they're good but like I said once you get to 13 or 135 they're the same way. I've I've that I hate to say it yeah I know about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

I meant to ask y'all question can y'all about the barhaw can y'all identify other people's marks in that area or do y'all got I can barely hear y'all just can you hear me now? Sorry. Y'all can hear you now yeah I was saying now I was gonna ask a question about the barhaws uh I forgot to ask y'all do you can y'all recognize other people's marks like other people's in their ears or something like that? Do y'all still crop the ears or um yeah do y'all just really just cut them and just turn them loose? Oh I've like I said, you know a lot of them guys still you know they they they're still stuck in their ways. Uh so they they got their marks and like back then that you know that mattered. And uh I mean that was you took a hover shot or whatever you've done that was you know it's considered Stephen. I mean you're still in livestock. So but uh we still stick by it around here, you know, and then there's some guys uh the buddies of ours, Dwayne uh Justin, uh even some younger guys around here that's doing it that you know doing good by it. We all got different marks we use uh you know we we to answer your question, yeah we get a s we we're at a certain spot where we hunt You know, depending on who wants this spot the most out of our uh you know, our route and uh get a picture of a hog, yeah, we know who the hog it is. We still you know still try to do that. Yeah. Now, y'all y'all are some of the kings of the tournaments around y'all's area. Um y'all I mean, y'all y'all obviously hunt a lot of tournaments and stuff like that. When are you guys gonna make your way east and hunt uh the big boar bash that we host there, brother? I told Desmond uh a couple days ago I'll I'll let him take pictures at Buffalo next year.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

We'll let him know. We'll let them guys know. We'll let them know that. Actually, uh I t I told Kill the other day uh Lucas Snapchatting me. And uh I don't know if I should say it on here or not, but I'll I'll go ahead and say it anyway. Ask me about uh hunting with them. If we wanted to be on the team next year. Okay. You might see us make an appearance up there next year. All right now. All right now. I'll be good. Y'all gotta I think y'all just talking about trying to hunt that bee outdoors tournament or y'all y'all tagged each other and uh I'll be keeping an eye on that shit. I'll be looking at y'all. Oh, hey y'all uh he snapped at me before about the tournament so he thought about putting one on and uh told him let me know. And uh I'm definitely interested in, you know, stepping out of state, trying one white out of state. We do all control and uh Texas one time or two, but when I mean out of state, I mean like you know, somewhere up there by y'all, but uh or even over there or down there by him. But uh I did tell him we may try to, you know, look into it see how it goes. Depending on how work goes, you know. But man, it's a it's getting hot now. I don't know. Yeah, that'd be a hard that'd be a hard tournament to hunt in, man. I think it was like was it was it June? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's one of the hard tournaments.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

See, we just now can start hunting this week. We just now been able to start hunting this week.

unknown 46:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

This weekend turkey season goes out the fifth. 14th, yeah. Yeah, it goes out.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

We got to hunt one out two times before turkey season, and our turkey season two and a half months long. Deer season four months long. Yeah. Yeah. We got a long deer season. Well we we hunt during the summer on pretty much exclusively from now till September. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

That's that's how we are on near season. We got a near season's four months long too. Now growing up where y'all are where y'all are at in a right? Pronounce pronunciation is this right? Hala? Now y'all growing up in a or living over there, y'all's land territories like swamps and pine thickets and cutovers and stuff like that. Is there any sort of cropland over that way? Um, 'cause I know we hunted me and Carter hunter in Windsor before and we got in some crop fields over that way. Do y'all have any like do y'all y'all gonna hunt any grain this year, like the corn growing and stuff like that? Y'all got any of that stuff around y'all, or is it more just pine thicket swamps and cutovers? No, it's uh that's that's all you're gonna see around us. You go to getting up there around Windsor and and you know, Monroe and actually go to getting more, you know, north and really either way, northeast or northwest. You go to you you think we start seeing more cornfields and uh, you know, stuff like that. But all all we got is especially, you know, as much law when's getting done nowadays and a lot of stuff is turning into cutovers and tickets and we got some little small bottoms here and there. Uh but that's like what y'all seen, you know, we went to Trevor Sackers Place. Um that was a a young young cutover of that wasn't it was a new cover, besides where we made them and then smaller pines. But uh I mean that's just kind of all we got. That's actually one of our nut better spots. Um and don't get hunted only much at all, probably two, three times a year. And uh but as far as the terrain, it's mostly gonna be thickets and cutovers, you know, you got a bunch of little small creeks that run around, so you'll have some little uh branches, you know, little bottoms here and there. Hey everybody, that that that sacker spot is so good and the hogs there are so good that the dogs and the hogs are running back to your truck and try to jump in the dog box for you. They don't have to tie. They'll just bang up right in the middle of the road. They'll just come out of the oh, put the picture in the middle of the road. When y'all was out there watching them hogs right inside of the road, me and Joey was in there in a thicket. Yeah, people working. And getting ran up by mule tape, and y'all was out there videoing holes, you know.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Yeah, they was out there videoing whatn't it to kill. They was like, Look at this hog, man. I'm over here. I'm tequil's like, I ain't got no more mule tape. And then I'm trying to squat dogs off of the hog. Well, a hog runs me down, and another dog gets him, and I'm holding that one. I said, Well, I hold him, and then here come another one, another dog on another hog. Y'all still out there getting cold beer and laughing and carrying on, or whatever y'all was doing.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

I had I had a year and a half old bulldog that ain't never seen that many hogs ever. I think he caught like five or six. No, they're saying he caught like five hogs in a matter of like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

Yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

He was gas, he was gassed at the last one. The last one was obviously the biggest one. He was getting his asses. Well, yeah. I couldn't I I wanted to give up some vines, but uh he was a little bit too close to that hole for me.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Yeah. Well, and remember we sent him in there. We were we sent up, we sent him in there for reassurance because it sounded like it was wheeling before we got there, remember? Yeah, we went along there, dog was running, and it was another bay dog by us, and he he heard him. As soon as he ran in there, my Willy dog, which he's bad about it, uh, he'll do it. But when that last bay dog ran in there, he hung him. And it sounded like a show. And I was feeding Ryan's bulldog. I said, You mean turn loose? He said, uh, no, yeah, just go ahead and let him, you know, he ain't bowing me holds turn loose. Well, as soon as I turn loose, the hole breaks. And we run around there and look. It was the biggest hole we caught all day. And Ryan runs in there, why didn't my bulldog call? So he's hung up. When he gets him hung, he he goes and catches. But when I go in there and put the hole, Ryan's bulldog was he laid on the side, wore out. He never turned loose, though. Yeah, he looked like a damn when he was hung up, he was reaching out and he looked like a damn uh soft-shelled turtle, like with never hung all the way out, trying to get a ear. Yes, sir. Go ahead, guys. Soft shell turtles. I gotta interject real quick. Joey, do you remember that soft shell turtle we too like Cody Goblin?

SPEAKER_00 50:54

I got a video of that. Dude, I got a video of that so big.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

You know how you drive down the interstate with you and kid, you see them big old love signs, they they stick out over everything. That's what that soft shell turtle looked like in the ditch. I mean, that doesn't make come up about six foot out of the deck on water. But against him. And I grabbed him on the tail and he swung around and tried to bite me. I said, No, I ain't gonna kill you.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

I got a video of you and Nathan down in that damn ditch fighting with that turtle.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Man, the ditch was four foot wide and the turtle's feet were on the bank.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Yeah, it was big.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Y'all was definitely not catching shit. And y'all in there trying to catch turtles, y'all didn't catch shit that day.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

Yeah, we it was it it was we caught a buzz.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Hey, yes, yes, it wasn't there.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Yes, he was there.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Yeah. Is that now that's when I left and I wrecked my truck. Was that the same time? Yeah, you drove into the bridge. Yeah, I drove to a concrete bridge. That would wake your ass up. Thank God for rum. They didn't have no rumble strips in Hawkinsville, Georgia, just so y'all know. There's no rumble strips. There's a concrete bridge, and thank God I didn't pin up that thing, because I probably would have died. But I'm sorry to get us off track, but uh, I just I just had the way you said soft tail turtle. That's right where my mind went.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

Yeah, that was pretty wild. I'll see if I can find that video and I'll post it later or something. Good deal.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Now, Kenneth Zakill. Now, all jokes aside, man, May is mental health awareness month. What's one way both of y'all coop with yours, and what advice do you have for others to coop with theirs? Oh, you said mental health? Yeah, May May is mental health awareness, and a lot of men are scared to talk about that. And uh I don't know if y'all have any ideas on how y'all coop with y'all's mental health and what's what's one way other people could coop as well. Man, I I don't know. I I guess I can speak on my behalf of it all. I mean it's I guess you several different things can target it uh not not been able to be successful at something as soon as I think I should be or something as uh is what gets what gets into my you know, m gets me in my head, but uh I I I don't know uh how I'm saying how do you cope with it? Like what's your what's your outlet to to get away from all that stuff? Like mine's mine's going out and taking the dolls and going hunting. I didn't know if y'all had any other supposed that's that that's that's my way of coping with almost really anything, especially going by myself, you know. Uh uh you know, uh that that's definitely gonna be one of mine. I I thought you were looking for a different information. No, I was I'm talking to how y'all how y'all cope with it. Like what like what do y'all do? What advice do you have for people? What do y what do y'all do personally? Like how y'all cope with it. I mean, it's I mean, as far as that goes, I definitely, you know, isolating yourself, uh really it ain't gonna be isolating yourself. You know, you hang out with whatever makes you feel better, I guess. Uh hang out with somebody and have a good time. I mean, but you know, as far as my concern goes, it's definitely gonna be loading them nose up. I mean it's you know, at that point it's not even excuse me, it's not even go about going to catch a hole at that point anymore. I mean it's yeah. It's just pretty much at that I mean nothing else really exists during that time. Uh you know, it's like there's no worries in the world. Uh I mean it's like, you know, everything's just lifted up off of you when I load my d I mean, you know, speaking on my part I guess. So that's just kinda how it feels with me, you know. I mean it's it's definitely uh my need for sure. Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean I feel the same way. It's it's not even like at that point like I said, it's not about catching the holes, just about getting out there and joining doing what God created and knowing there's something bigger in life than uh yourself and and your problems are are minute. Compared to other things going on in the world. Yeah, yeah. Good deal. Definitely good deal. Let's see how much we got how much time we got on this thing. We got about an hour, man. I just wanna like I said, I Joey, Joey and Car, y'all can interject and speak, but I just want to on my behalf, I just want to say thank y'all for uh taking your time to get on here and do a quick little podcast. I know I know y'all been playing with your Peter Bilts and trying to get stuff right with your truck, and I know it's been a busy day for y'all. But uh we like. Yo, you still want my dogs?

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah, I got 'em. I got him.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

You sent me a picture of uh Rick and Tuff the other night. I just wanted to make sure they go still in the world.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Listen, I carried them out the first, this is the first trip in three and a half, three months, three and a half months. We were finally found, we found a bunch of tracks right off the bat, so you know what that means, a bunch of jump. I was like, which I'm fine with running a bunch of jump. But I I told Rodney, I said, man, he said, let's turn out. I said, turn your puppies out, turn them young dogs out. He kept on and he had another guy with him. I said, look, the guy said, Well, why am we gonna turn out? I said, because I'm I'm looking for something with dew claws down in the clay. If that something ain't four inches with dew claws on the back, I ain't turning out on it. And because like I know what's gonna happen. I don't want to run all day for a hundred-pounder. Well, we went down there in the turn, we found one finally. I said, Well, we'll turn out right here. And you know, I just got through bragging about, you know, I said about y'all's bulldogs not barking and acting crazy. I have a great handle on my dogs. Well, we go out there and we turn them loose. He gets that boar hog jump 75 yards off the road and he's making a loop and he's coming 50 foot less than 50 yards in front of the truck. I think I could punch him in the face. Bulldog goes absolutely eight to it. She's up on top of the box. I don't know if you actually seen it or what, but I couldn't get her to shut up and hog parallels with the road 9.28 miles later. And after four days, after four bays, we got within a hundred and two hundred and eighty yards. And I cut a couple of dogs loose. They got hung up in a tree top, and then old boar hogged on off. I said, You dirty son of a bitch. Uh so he's your dog right now. But he was he stuck with him. He can't he kept he kept tagging him and spinning him around. So he's he's getting a little more pressure on him. Oh, Ricky is. But that little yellow dog, let me tell you something, buddy. That tumble gun right there, if he's there, it's it's solid. I'm telling you, it's solid. Um, he he just wasn't there on the last one because I picked him up. I put a picture up of where they were like uh three-quarters of a mile apart, and both of them were set down bait, and we went over to Tough first. And uh, and but Rick had the had the bigger boar hog. But little old dog's doing good. He's I I want to bring him down there and turn him loose and see what he does down in that area. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

Joey texts me about uh I can't remember the name of it. Where your daughter lives?

SPEAKER_00 58:33

Uh oh uh trout. Hall guy.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Hall guy. Yeah. He said uh Hall guy, he said they video is uh big dolls, he's riding, I think he's gonna be in his motors. Well uh he told me where we caught that big more can't be fast in the road when we caught that big more at during that tournament.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

If you go to the road who was who was rigging?

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Who was rigging? Chaos?

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Chaos. Hey, that joker. That joker.

SPEAKER_01 59:03

I gotta speak, I got I gotta speak on chaos right now too, because at the Okamo Dwight Hog Festival we just had this past Saturday, M and O 12 don't scrap on they had.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yeah. Hey, that Joker bought dog food for the month.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Numer Numero Kino. 124 runs. They did good. They did real good.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

Yeah, that was good. Carter, Carter's dog 12, and uh he probably did all the work. Chaos just wrote his back, but hey, lit don't make a damn, still first place. Dude, he's so out of shape right now. But I mean, I'm happy with if he just finished the damn deal, you know. But I dude, did you see the thing? I I put a post up about it, being appreciative of it, and and I said, I want to shout out to Cody Odom for being a real one because Cody's always congratulating me and he's always given me a hard time, you know. And Corey Lovett asked me, was we coming down to Triple R. I was like, no, I said my granddaughter's first birthday is this weekend. I'm not gonna be able to make it. He said, Well, and then he he was funny, he was like, Well, you ain't gotta worry about Cody Odom and Halo because they're out of it. You ain't they ain't the ones you gotta worry about now. And I was like, What? Yeah, like what does that what does that mean? Like, I ain't even said nothing, bro. Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

I I figured out they was running or Cody, I said, Cody, what run you got? Yeah, number four, something like that. He said, I'm running with hand grenade. Can you help me in the pin? Because uh Corey's back messed up to help me with the hogs. Yeah, yeah. I'd say I'll help. But I looked at Carter and I was like, hand grenade. I said, sure enough can't be the same hand grenade.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

I was the name, but one dog I know named hand grenade.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

But then I at the same time I couldn't figure it out though, because I was like, so what are you saying I need to worry about? Like, didn't we get first place? Yeah, that's right. What am I worried about? That's not the first time.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Now the hand grenade did his job. I know I don't know what GW and Corey got going on with the dog, but I know he's a good dog, isn't he? Hand grenade strapping on him in the one dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

He's a damn and then Sky Lonier, and then Skyliner gets second place with a $50 dog off breakfast.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

Yeah. Ain't no doubt. Yeah, it's but oh oh chaos was rigging out of that damn box. Junior's the one that started rigging. But chaos stuck his head out and he went berserk. I said, damn. I told Rodney, I said, I said, oh down, let me let me look right here. And I looked out the window and I backed up, and there's the boarhog track going across the road. I said, Boys, he's right here. And I didn't know it kept going. My daughter lived right up. That's the first time I've ever been to this place she just you know moved to now. And I kept looking. We didn't go four miles, there was a house. I was like, oh Lord help me, please, Lord, don't do this to me. I said, I I don't even live here, I don't know nobody here. Like, oh and then he's like, Oh yeah, we were in that hunting club. And I was like, So you're in the hunting club? No, we didn't get back in it this year. I said, Oh god, I said you're killing me, kid. You gotta get in the next year. Yeah, but I I just thought it was we don't have places like that. Like generally, if if there's hogs in the area, there's no people around except extreme South Alabama. Uh like where we're at, you you're not man, I don't know anybody that that really can do that, you know. So I was I I I feel like a lot of people take for granted the the places that they have and that they're able to hunt and the way they can hunt their dogs. And and a lot of us would would die to have places like that. But at the same time, I don't know that our dogs would even be as good as they are. Seems like the less hogs we have, the better our dogs turn out to be in the long run. Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Yeah. Hell, me and Carrie went hunting this past yesterday. Well yesterday, yeah, yesterday morning. We turned me and him turned we turned out one time and didn't see didn't see the dogs for four or five hours and had to go cut them off from getting on a highway about three miles away. Hell yeah. Didn't catch a thing you didn't catch a single hole, but they they hunted them in the fore. They they wouldn't under your feet.

unknown 1:03:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

That's right. We got plenty of hogs. We you know, I won't ever say we don't got no hogs. And really in certain spots we got too many. I mean, it's we we like to go after the big hogs and like to make them bars and stuff. And uh a problem our problem here, and you know, I've heard Joey talk about in this some other podcast about running the hogs, and uh, everybody says they got the worst from everybody says it. I mean, yeah, our hogs run the sports. 100%. And uh it's just because you fool with them the most. I mean, and you're gonna you're gonna sound, you know, be biased about your spot, and ain't many people be honest about them. Men skills got plenty of hogs. What what's hard to do around here is get on a big hog and stay on that big hole.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

And uh because of so many sales and show you know, you know, that's that's hard to do really anywhere, but I think that's hard where where other places Yeah, where other exactly where other places do, you know, you you you can run one three, four hours before he may dump you off. Uh uh, it ain't happening here. You you run one here, you better you better bay him before a mile. And y'all know as well as I do, it don't take long to get to a mile.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

No. This uh this one the other day, uh Ken, like you're talking about, he tried to dump them off, and he did. He dumped all the other dogs off except for Rick. And I guarantee you, now I didn't go back and look at it, but I know the property very well. And I've run this same hog before, I'm 99% sure. Well, he probably didn't go a half a mile all four directions, you know what I mean? But we put almost 10 miles in that loop. And all he was doing was trying to get them dumped off. That goes to show you that there's not a lot of hogs there because that's the only founder, that's the only group of hogs in that area. So he had to stay there to try to get rid of the dogs. And when he finally made one break for it, well, we had him. Like we we had him bait up. Like the, you know, I could have eaten there, got him there. There's several times I could have picked him off across the road, but I didn't I didn't want to put no other dogs on him. I wanted to do it with one dog. And right, so therefore it's uh it's a little tougher the way I was doing it. But like you said, it can be uh I think it's more of a challenge to go to a place where there's so much uh scent. It's muddled with scent, there's so many tracks, and so many pigs. I think it's harder for a dog to really pinpoint one good hog out of there and stay with it. I ain't picking you out. He said, I got you all.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

He don't care if he don't give a shit where he's at.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

It's crazy how how how much he does that. And you know, and I'm gonna sound biased because it's my dog, but I mean it's it he makes it look easy. And I you know, I wouldn't I don't care who dog he would. He sure did. One dog made that many holes, it shouldn't look that easy. And uh I mean it just kind of does it. And I you know, I'm like I said, he's a young dog, so I'm still learning them. I mean, I know him fairly well, but you know, he he he he's still learning himself, so uh, you know, I can't say I know the dogs to a teeth, but um I mean I can I know I can tell you this much. You can ask the Q, I can tell you I can tell you when he's got a group day. I don't know if y'all heard me that day, but it took it took me it took me a minute to call it, but I ended up saying it, and this is before I knew there was a group. You know, sound rolls. Oh yeah. I said, I think he's got he's working the group. He hardly stays treed on that Garmin and he'll throw big half loops or maybe big loops, and he he won't he won't stay treated. It'll show but he sh it'll show he's barking, but he won't ever stay tree stay treed. We were hunting in uh Mendon one day and uh I th I said, Man, Garmin's acting up that collar or something. He kept it's one of the first times he'd done it. And uh me and skill and a couple other buddies we had to split up and I was by myself. And uh he was circling, circling, showing me barking twenty bucks a minute. I and it was kinda windy and I wasn't but about two hundred. I got the closest I could get was about two hundred yards, you know, and I said, That sucker ain't bad. I don't hear him. And he you know, he's a fairly loud dog. And uh anyhow, anyways, it rocked on and I I sat there a good hour. And uh I finally, you know, looked on the maps and which I normally stay on the maps anyways, and I kinda went to actually paying attention. He was making the same circle, making making about a hundred yard circles. I I said that dog, I said he he's saying something. I mean, he something going on. And I got in there real, real close and uh really too close, close than I thought I was. The freaking wood woke up. I called his kill and I'm back. I said, Bring me a freaking bulldog, 'cause they have the bulldog when they buggy and uh that's kind of one of the first times he's done it. So I can call when he's banned a group, definitely when he's banned a group, I can tell you just about if he's got a pretty big hole, kinda in a ticket bait. And I know when he's kinda got a short bait, he's kinda hammering on it, ain't really moving. He can typically see those hogs pretty good. And he kinda bays loose, so if he's in a thick, you know, with a big hole and he's staying back. You know, he he kind of I I got like I said, I can kinda tell what he's doing. Now now has he done has you say you hunted in Arkansas and Mississippi? Texas? Uh Texas I don't think he's been in Mississippi yet. Um Has he went to different states and done that though? He's done it everywhere he's been. Well listen, I want to say I mean if he comes to Sacrament, Georgia, I want to see that happen. But I'm telling you, I've been hunting for damn I've been hunting halls with dogs for about seventeen years, and I ain't never seen no shit like that. I don't know, man. He's weird, like he's he goes up there and he figures out where the suckers are, he'll make big loops and big half loops, you know, like eight, nine hundred-jar loops. It's like he closes them in and I don't know. I don't I don't know how he does it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

Yeah, that's exactly about like how he does it. That that's uh that Louie dog Nathan had, he started doing that. And he's one of the first ones I'd ever seen that would rather he didn't bait a founder every time we turned him out, but he bait founders more times than he didn't. He's one of the first he would he would rather do that. And he he got he wound up getting killed. But uh when you when you were talking about not head first doing that, I mean I don't see this, you know, because I was trying to think, you know, it's like would Dolph really want to do that? Because I've never had one. And that just to live right there, but not head front, like Ryan said, it's one of the first ones I've ever seen where you could say, hey, he's gonna go do this. And he didn't do it one time, he did it a couple of times right there at different flavors. You know, right, made it look like it was nothing to it. I people thought I was joking. I was like, we turned loose two times with him and bade 50 hogs. I don't know if it was, but it was down through more than 10 or 15. I know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

That first spot we hunted, you uh me, you and Ryan was there talking on that gravel. You I think he was 400 yards and you could hear the hogs running. That rally was hammering some. Yeah, you can hear him out there. But I mean, he don't do it every single I mean I you know he he baits single hogs. A lot of times we drop him on a good track or uh he'll he may bait that hog. But uh if you just free cast him, especially, you know, just where some hogs come to hang out, he's probably about to get them all rounded up. That Dixie dog of mine, she she'll do it. Um not quite often as him, but we we went uh I don't maybe Friday, last Friday or Saturday, and uh I actually think Ryan Snapchatted me about it and uh he said a name walks or rallies or something and uh I said, yeah, but that I think I posted that video on Facebook and that was a pretty good day. Wasn't no real giant hogs in there, but just one of them bays you walk up on, you know, get up close to and see. But uh he he he definitely makes it look easier than the average dog. And I'm thankful I got a puppy off his ass. I hope it wasn't bang as me. Do I know? I was just gonna talk crap. I said if he uh hope it's worth it, not gonna tell nobody covered wrong. I will I'm gonna put it on I'ma put that's level five hog dog out the rip, cuz. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Y'all talking about level five hog dogs now. I'm just I'll just make it I'll just make it lie. It's all it's all fun and corporal, it's all good. Yeah, well I didn't know. I'm just glad we can hunt with each other, you know. Yeah, I'm just glad we can all hunt with each other, you know. I don't want I don't want to that's right. Glad we had to have fun together. Man, I'd like to mention to come up there with y'all uh from them, you know, different area, different neck of the woods and see how it is. Yeah, I'm I wanna go. I'm down. I wanna go to that. I wanna go back with y'all when y'all talk about going to that place in Arkansas. I'll say that was Hog Kevin up there. Oh man, it's it's it's nice. JB's got uh that fellow's got more plan to hunt than he he knows what to do with it he he earns every bit of it too. Um lot of people up there likes him, but uh he's got some spots you can go up there and be like, God, no, you know, where do these hoes come from? And he's got some spots to to have you scratching your head when you leave. He's got both. But uh he's definitely got some spots you can go up there and you want, you know, you bring up a little small group of people, have some fun and and uh you know definitely probably put your hands on more pork than you want to fool with. Well well we'll I'm definitely we'll make it happen, man. Especially if you talk about coming over and hunting at Lucas' place and Desmond's. They got they got the crap ton of hogs over there. I mean Carter got I mean, I'm building this house right now, so I have a place to stay at my parents' house too. Well, we got some places to catch some hogs. We'll make it, we'll make it light up and have a good time. I know Joey's got some. I ain't never hunted in Alabama yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

Carter's been over there a couple times, but they got them damn mountain bluff hogs that are hard to catch. Yeah, they can they can they can test them, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:57

From that story, go we told us about that guy because I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:09

Carter went Carter went to the swamp land with me down there.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Yeah, we hunted in flatland when I went and hunting a joke.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:16

We caught we caught a few we caught quite a few hogs that day.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:20

Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:21

We did. We can go very dense that day, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

We can go to one spot I got there won't be but one boar hog on about 5,000 acres. And I ain't talking about they ain't no group for nothing. There might be one boar hog on it and we gotta go find him. And we're gonna open the gate and we're gonna cast them right there, and we're gonna sit there on the tailgate until they find him. If you ain't got no dog that run 13 miles out you under and get off the garment to find the hog, he ain't no hog to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

Y'all need to quit.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:55

I you I'm I don't know what y'all talking about. I'm talking about it's some bitch is gonna have to get out to under to find a hog where we're at, where I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:04

Car, you're gonna have to get off with that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:11

Hey, you know why not hit you know why not hit so good? He runs it, he runs past about 800 hogs in the best base ever found him. Yeah, that's why he's so good. Can't it shot until he gets that?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

Yeah, that's right. Now you can now y'all can talk about it. Now y'all carrying it too far, fellas. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It's all jokes, it's all light, it's all light jokes. Alright, as long as we as long as it's just like joke, we ain't gonna be doing all that. I might have to put the put the foot.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:42

You know, we know we're everybody loves everybody. We're all for the people.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:47

Yes. In the community.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

We always been from the jump. People might not like us, but it is what it is. That's all you can do, brother. I'd rather everybody just be themselves. We're all just trying to be like two be hog dogs. That's what we're trying to do. If you like that, you might be going backwards. I don't know. I think what y'all are feeding, y'all are y'all in the right direction.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

Doing something right, that's for sure. Well, maybe maybe next time, maybe next time we go hunting we can get Rodney out of the truck this time.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:29

Dude, he got hammered. And he, you know, the the first day that we went, he didn't get mad or nothing when I told him, I was like, hey, I'm gonna go in the morning, whatever. I said, you know, can't have a lot of people or none of that. I said, and and I never go anywhere, you know that Ryan Carter, y'all know I stayed at the base or whatever. And I said, Well, I'm gonna go go hang out for a little while. And and and I could tell, like, you know, it's like, hey, well, so when we got back, I told him about it, and it's like, man, I wish I could have gone. I was like, well, tomorrow we can't. And it was all pumped up, and then hell, nobody else got up, nobody else went, and Rodney did. I the only reason he went because he was asleep in the truck when I left. I drove the truck. Yeah. What did he say when he got out of the truck? I don't even remember what he said. He said something today's my dogs or something. I don't know. Yeah, that's what he said. That's what he said.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

And then he was taking when he was taking a picture of us for us, and he goes, What do you say? Hognuts or something like that. Yeah. I blew up in Nick Info. I grabbed my dude hogs or a couple dollars off his out of his buggy, and I won't walk by him. He wouldn't even have a truck yet. He looks at me and goes, Y'all couldn't have done this without me. Yeah. Yeah, he's a hood, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:57

He's a sucker slept in that hot truck the whole time. Oh, I don't either. It was 'cause it got hot. It got hot. It did. But I think we pulled up. I think he stayed out and drinking until like four o'clock that morning, so pretty wild. Yeah, that'll do that. That'll do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

Well, I think we got a good time. We got an hour and twenty-two minutes in so far, boys. I just want to, like I said, thank y'all for getting on. Uh to be hot dogs, Kenneth McKeel. Um, thank you for everything you do for the sport and uh maybe taking time out of your day in your life or uh get on this podcast. And everybody's listening to this, don't get all butthurt. We're just cracking jokes. It's all lighthearted, okay? So don't be all of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:47

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:48

You can't still have a good time and what the hell are you doing, you know? That's right. That's right. We appreciate it. We we we appreciate y'all more thankful for y'all getting us on here asking us to do in this. It means a lot to us. We enjoy listening to like I said, we'll get together for sure in in the near future and uh get out of some hogs together again. That's right, that'll work, just let us know. Well, we appreciate y'all. Y'all have a good evening.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

Oh yes, sir.