EP. 4 Garrett Picou

In this episode we have on Texas Marsh master himself, Garrett Picou. Lots of good dog talk and funny stories. Another one you don't wanna miss!

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SPEAKER_06 0:00

Good evening, y'all. It's your two favorite Teddy South Kings, Ryan CTE Rankin and Carter Booty. Bood Rose Schultz, baby, and this is another episode of Showtime. Uh joining us, like always, is two great men. One that goes by big red. I like to call him sexy red, the infamous Joey Wright, along with his TIC by default, the most dazzling hog dogger alive, the most introverted outrovert ever, Nathan Wright, baby. But hey, listen, y'all, but that's not all. We got a treat for y'all tonight. Tonight we finally achieved what most thought was unachievable. We wrangled up a feller that we've been trying to get on this podcast for a while. And uh ladies love him, Schultz Farum, a Southeast Texas legend, the Beaumont Boar Buster, the Sabine Pass Flipper, the Fanet City Boar Flipper, a Yellow Dog Enthusiast, G mother freaking P, Mr. Garrett Piku in the house, baby. What's up, big dog? What up?

SPEAKER_05 1:05

That's a pretty long intro.

SPEAKER_06 1:07

Yeah, yeah. You did the most of that intro, brother. That's pretty good, right? I've been thinking about that all day. I've been practicing.

SPEAKER_07 1:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

I've been practicing. You definitely have that written down. Yes. I read that on my phone. Excellent. Nah, man, but for real, man, we appreciate you getting on uh OGP. For real. Uh we'll always interview you if I can get you on. So uh tell us a little about yourself and uh how you got started hog dogging and tell us about them trashy uh yellow mutts you got.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

Man, as far back as I can remember, my dad had hog dogs. So, I mean, some of my earliest memories is getting ready to go hog hunting with my dad or working cows with my dad, and then you know, we see some hogs. Hey, after we get done, let's go catch some hogs, you know. And uh ever since that I've just been kind of kind of hooked on it. It's just what I wanted to do. My toys growing up was hogs and dogs, you know. That's what I played with, because that's what I wanted to do. And uh when I finally got old enough to drive myself, I was totally my dad's cow dogs going hog hunting, whether he'd work cow with them all day or not. I didn't want to go out or go hang out or do whatever. Me and you buddies would just get together and we'd go hunt. And uh it's just never changed.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 2:35

Now, now to give everybody a sense of like my perspective, me and Carter got the opportunity to go down and hunt with Garrett. I got to go one time, Carter's been a couple times. Um, the area you took us to the very first time that we got to hang out reminds me of old school Florida, uh, minus like the orange groves and stuff like that. And you travel around a little bit. What makes what makes hunting in the salt grass different and unique compared to other places? And do you think you got it harder or easier than most places you've been?

SPEAKER_05 3:03

I think everywhere it has its challenges, and everywhere it has that, you know, where it's not so hard. Uh I think what's challenging the most in the salt grass is that it's thick and normally it's wet, and uh you never really know where the hog is gonna be. The dogs don't either because they can't see anything. They're jumping around. You know, if it's a big hog, you're probably gonna get everything wrecked because they're allowed to jump right on top of him before he stands up. That's right. Or he's gonna he's gonna slip out of there and they're not gonna know he's there. But that can happen anywhere. That can happen in a briar bush, that can happen in a bunch of cactus, that can happen, you know, pretty much anywhere. Uh so I don't yeah, I guess it really just is it's everywhere has its challenges.

SPEAKER_06 3:51

You know, hold on now, Garrett. You're talking about your dog jumping on top of the hog. I always heard when it came to you that you know you get out there and you you gotta kick them hogs up for your dog. Okay, you got me. Okay, you got me. I got him, I got him. No, Garrett's got a big thing.

SPEAKER_05 4:17

So what really happens is I have a trap out there and I'm trying to get him out.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

Yeah, I've I've seen it. I've heard the talk mad about himself.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

I I've heard I've heard Garrett advise them and then had somebody turn them loose right before it goes hunting.

SPEAKER_06 4:32

I tell you, he the the last time I was over there, we had to call three people to come hunt for him. Uh, you know, hunting dogs for him. No, I'm just I'm just messing. The last time I was over there, we was out of the salt grass and we got into that rose edge. And for Georgia people that don't know what rose edge is, it's just as bad as a clear cut in in briars. Rose edge, rose hedge is just as bad as as blackberry briars. It's not, I mean, it's it's just as bad. So uh we got in some of that the last time I was over there, and uh it is for sure just as bad as as clear-cut briars. So that's something that uh people from Georgia can understand the roads is just as bad as uh what we are green fires or our uh black bear fires.

unknown 5:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

Hey, you know, you know, you know how you said that uh his dog or dogs will just jump on the hogs sometimes accidentally. Um I've seen many videos of Garrett jumping out of hogs on purpose. Yeah, he'll he'll flap out uh smear them hogs right in the field. So he makes he does pretty good. But it is thick though. Um Garrett did uh leave me and Carter on a wild goose chase one night in the first hog we uh got hunted out there with a green bulldog. Um Garrett said, Yeah, man, the the bridge, the this this little wash out, this bridge is out. Y'all can't make it around two of them. You're gonna have to go through this salt grass about 400 yards. And it's probably eight foot tall. And me and Carter are trying to lug this new bulldog that Garrett gave us to walk through there, and Shrimp and Champ had a hog bait up on the other side. And about the time me and Carter get it got so bad we just left the bulldog out there in the middle of that stuff. Uh by the time we got to to see the hogs and the dogs were getting around, we see headlights riding around and Garrett and Josh Sander, and uh, I believe is that that's your is that your brother or your brother-in-law? My brother-in-law is with your brother-in-law, yeah. He he drove around and we see them right there, and they're over there catching this hog that me and Carter just spent 30, 45 minutes trying to get to. Oh, I appreciate that one, Garrett. Yeah, and that's what it does.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

In the heat of the moment and no maps on their garment, I may have misinterpreted which ditch they were in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:01

It was all good, man.

SPEAKER_06 7:02

They they they made up a good, they made up a good bar hog, and uh it cut it cut my own shrimp dog pretty good. It keeps their Carter's champ dog pretty good. But it was a it was a damn stud of a hog. Stud of a hog.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Hey, hey, do one of y'all guys have a regular on a truck?

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Uh I'm I I just hear some background noise on the left hand. Does anybody up here I don't hear nothing?

SPEAKER_06 7:31

It could be. I mean, I'll take my let me see if I can take my headphones off.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

No, it's it's it's fine. It's no big deal. I it's I thought I heard it. Like I I can't I just think I can hear it. It was probably when three women PP's gotten truck watching TikTok for this. Dude, I'm telling you, he's probably gotten stacked up.

SPEAKER_06 7:54

No, don't don't be getting all in trouble right now. I ain't trying to get him in trouble. I ain't trying to get him in trouble. Is that Gary, is that your old lady you always caught that hog done or not? Yes, sir. That's a damn yeah, y'all caught a damn stud. Y'all caught a damn slab on here, man. That was a boar hog. That was a shanks there, man. Now now them hogs down there, they go pretty good uh teeth down there.

unknown 8:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:23

Usually like that. Yeah. That thing's had some banana.

SPEAKER_05 8:25

Yeah, they do. Yeah, they normally do. Uh, we've caught some small hogs, some smaller boars down in the marsh that have teeth like that. I really ain't figured out what grows them like that. I don't know if it's eating dead fish and crabs and stuff or or what it is, but they normally got some teeth to them.

SPEAKER_06 8:44

Yeah.

unknown 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:45

Now what's the what's the biggest hog or or the biggest set of teeth y'all or both y'all caught down there so far?

SPEAKER_05 8:52

The biggest wade hog we've ever caught was 300 or 350-pound even bar. Uh he wasn't in the marsh. He was a little bit, he's about 30 minutes away up in Hampshire. We caught him in a little thing. I've caught a bunch of 280s to 300s down there uh with some big teeth. The biggest tooth hog, I was young, me and dad went and uh it was nine inches from gum to tip on one guy, the other side broke off. But uh yeah, it was curled back, growing into his head when we got him.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

That's gnarly. That's gnarly. That's crazy. Now uh now uh sorry, I cough a bit. Getting old.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

Now growing up, so you you strictly had yellow dogs. You ain't never y'all got much color in your pack. What uh what's the reason for that?

SPEAKER_05 9:51

Don't fix what ain't broken. Yeah, I heard that. It's awful.

SPEAKER_06 9:57

I heard that.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Uh I've tried I've tried the running hounds and I've liked them, but they never did anything special that a cur dog couldn't do in my country. And I I if I want to see other dogs, like another style of dogs, uh hounds or whatever, I have buddies that have them. I'll bring them and we'll go and utilize what them hounds can do and then utilize what the cur dogs can do. If the cur dogs can't get a track up, well, that's what the hound comes in for. Uh I mean I've got a bunch of hogs and I've got a bunch of countries, so normally I can ride around enough to find a hog somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

That's good. That's good.

SPEAKER_06 10:38

Yeah, I know I'm in I've been itching to get back down there, man, and do some hunting with you and go to the old pine tree lodge or whatever that bar or restaurant is. That's a good old time. Yeah. That's a good old time. Oh yeah. That's a good old time. But did I did I uh did I uh see that on the story, your story not too long ago. Y'all are loading up some horses or some ATVs, uh going on some like barge or something and going on to some island to catch some hogs and some cows and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 11:05

Yeah, so the wards, chance ward and rally ward, they uh they know some guys in Mississippi on the island that uh they got a bad hog problem. And uh once a year we go down there. We haven't been the past two. One of the guys on the island that invited him been real sick and uh didn't want to go without him being able to be there. So, but that that's a really cool experience bringing horses and buggies and going up there for a weekend. And I think we caught 64 hogs in two and a half days, and it rained on us the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

It's not a bad day at all, right there.

SPEAKER_05 11:48

And what didn't feel so cold when you're running around catching hogs, it really turned into work.

SPEAKER_06 11:52

Yeah, no doubt. Uh, do you think that's the most hog you ever caught during a hunt like that, or you've caught more than that in two days?

SPEAKER_05 12:00

Uh we hunted the I forgot what hunt it was. Tyler Gresham put it on uh the Hunter Herdman, I think it was, and we hunted up in Minneola, and we probably caught counting all the little guys, the little shoats of digs that we didn't drag out. We were probably at a hundred hogs or more on the weekend. There was so many hogs on that place. And the place we were hunting, a river ran, a little uh I think it was the Nature's River up there, ran through the ranch that we were hunting. So we hunted one thing. It said in the rules we could split up as long as it was on the same place. Well, it just so happened that river run through there. And if anybody knows anything about hog hunting, hogs are gonna swim a river or a bayou or anything if it's there. Well, half of us were on one side of the river and half of us were on the other side of the river, and we were just bouncing hogs to each other back and forth and catching them. They didn't know the hogs didn't know what to do. We'd done blown their minds. And uh yeah, it worked out pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 13:03

That's wild. That's wild stuff, man. Because you think about it, Joey, like some people this way, they don't catch a hundred hogs a year, you know? Mm-hmm. And they're damn, they damn catching that in a couple of days. That's impressive. Yeah, that's it. That's impressive. You gotta have some you gotta have some dog power. You got some dog power for sure. How many head of dogs you reckon you ran when you're running hunts like that?

SPEAKER_05 13:25

I had probably seven, but between me, Rowdy, Sam Mooney Ham, Chance Ward, and everybody else on the team, um Chance probably has fifty head of dogs between him and Rowdy. And they've got a pile and they're all good. They're all gonna go find a hog and get bay. So I know it was a bunch of at times there was probably 30 dogs on the ground, and everything was laying different, there was different bays everywhere. And just as soon as you got done catching one hog, you're headed to another bay, and those dogs that you just caught are running a different direction, running a different hog.

SPEAKER_06 14:03

And everything's working as a as a unit, you know.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:09

Now that now do y'all's dogs is mostly proper reference and be able to do cattle and hogs, you got to snip at cow dogs and hog dogs.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

So I don't have any cow dogs. Uh I've kind of gotten them off of cows. My dad got into the border collie and such, and he can take them and do everything with them. He he likes that style. I don't know, I can tell sometimes. But Rowdy's dogs do go both ways. He can take the same dogs working cows and go hog hunting with them. Sants, I think, has a couple, but I think for the most part he's got hog dogs and cow dogs. Uh I think what it comes down to sometimes now is um if it's a really good cow dog, they don't hog hunt it just because it's hard to have a really good cow dog and you don't want to get him killed, you know.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Yeah. Yeah. So I can see that.

SPEAKER_06 15:04

Yeah, you had a little rough path, man. Uh did you have like five, six, eight dogs get get in a mine over the past two years?

SPEAKER_05 15:14

Yeah, it seems like every year it seems like every year I I don't breed something that I want to breed, and then I get everything knocked down, and then I'm almost restarting. Knocking on wood, I'm going pretty good, and I'm about to make another cross. So I'll have more dogs than I have room for, but that's not a bad problem to have.

SPEAKER_06 15:37

Yeah, that's right. That's right. You gotta you gotta send some of them uh trash and mucks east.

SPEAKER_05 15:43

Yeah, I know. I need to, and I've been talking about it. Planning a trip and coming over there.

SPEAKER_06 15:48

Hey, y'all need to. Uh well, we got it. We got that we'll have that hunt coming up in February, man. The big boar bash. You need to you need to get into it.

unknown 15:56

I know.

SPEAKER_06 15:58

I know. I want DP to come out here and come hunt with us. Who's trying to make money? Who's making money? I I know we ain't making money. I'm not saying we're making money. I'm just gonna tell you. Uh nah, I want bring this summer guns over, man. We'll catch some hogs and go treat some bear down with Cody and we'll have a good time.

SPEAKER_05 16:25

Yeah, that sounds like a that sounds like a blast. I definitely want to come treat some bear.

SPEAKER_07 16:30

We'll treat some big some big old black bear.

SPEAKER_06 16:33

I wanna treat some black bear. Y'all can uh well I wanna what was his uh I didn't get a chance to spare it. What was y'all's black grass uh uh thing you and Carter was joking about? The dark grass is dark grass, the dark grass, yeah, yeah. The dark grass, all right, so I'll I'll start and I'll let GP tennis. But I had driven out there to go hunt, and I think I had been awake for about 36 hours at that point. And when we got there at like, I don't know, what was it, three o'clock in the morning? We uh Garrett and uh Brody were out sitting in the in the uh in the yard. And I was like, well, you know, I'm already awake from this drive. I was like, y'all boys want to go catch some catch some hogs. Well, we just started hunting. And then we uh we just kept hunting and saying I was about tired. Garrett said, What color is that grass? I said, I don't know, but it's or no, I asked Garrett, I said, What color was that Matheson that asked that? I don't remember who it was, but somebody said somebody just said that grass is dark. They didn't say it was green, they didn't say it was blue, they didn't say it's colored. It was just it was just dark. And we had uh we had some chicken fried, uh, chicken fried chicken that we had got at a good restaurant up there. Uh and me and Garrett was riding back to the house late that night trying to stay keep it between the mustard and the mayo. And I was eating eating chicken fried chicken. Well, but we had we had a good time that weekend. We caught a bunch of hogs and probably would have caught some more hogs without uh a few bay busting dogs, you know. But actually, you know, but the Garrett's got bay dogs, and a lot of people get it misconstrued, like, because you know, he's got seven or eight dogs on the ground a lot of times in his bay videos, and they they're sitting there saying, Uh I'll not have that many dogs on the ground at the same time, blah blah blah, this, that, and the other. But his dogs are truly bay dogs. I mean, they could be baiting a hundred pounds down, and and a lot of times they're all gonna be bait, he's in the bad spot. That don't mean they're not gonna get in there and help be real boss people and something catches, but they're they're truly bay dogs. And uh I think a lot of that has been lost in the in in hog hunting these days because people don't see three bay dogs a lot, you know. And uh he catches some plaque on it every now and then from them Florida boys. Yeah, oh them Florida, then Florida boys and them Australians give him a lot of shit. I mean, they'll say, Well, I mean, if you're we ain't gonna need to feed that many dogs, I'll tell all them dogs, all them dogs there should hang that hog and all this stuff. But like Carver saying, man, Gary's got some bay dogs, like they're bae dogs. They ain't they're catch dogs, they're bae dogs. So I can make it.

SPEAKER_05 19:54

Yeah, if you want to know anything about hog hunting and dogs, you just go ask uh you go to a little uh gas station in Florida, and there will be somebody there that'll tell you what you need to do.

SPEAKER_06 20:05

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

He'll let you know if he's got Facebook.

SPEAKER_06 20:08

Oh yeah. He'll find you if you if he's got Facebook, he'll find you.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

Yeah. How dare you have more than two dogs on the ground?

SPEAKER_06 20:19

Yeah, and and I mean, like, for me it's it's it's uh it's kind of funny too, because you know, like there's been times where we've been hunting where we had two or three dogs on the ground, and then you know, something else jumped or you know, something happened and we ended up casting some more dogs, and then we end up at the bay and there's eight dogs and they're baying. You know, it's not like we're dumping seven, eight head uh uh dogs on on one hog. It's just that's kind of it generally tends to happen. They're gonna they're gonna pitch in and help each other out. And if they ain't got something dumped and started, then they're gonna go they're they're gonna go get in on some of that action.

SPEAKER_07 21:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:06

And there's something pretty about looking at your garment and having two different bays or three different bays on it. Oh now, dogs and dogs here, dogs there, and then you're you got multiple bays going on at the same time.

SPEAKER_06 21:22

A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But I mean, it it's just like you you catch you catch a bunch of black on Facebook, so I mean, I know I'm preaching in the choir here, but it's just one of those things like people often degrade and talk bad about things that they're not used to, and if they got the opportunity to see it in person, they would probably really enjoy it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

Oh, no doubt, they would. And that's but there's all it's always gonna have animosity because nowadays it seems like if you're reading on Facebook, if your dogs don't If you can't pull up to New York City and kick your dogs out and they can't go find a hog, then your dogs suck, and you don't need to be feeding them and you need to kill them and this and that, and yada yada yada. It's like somebody read a book, wrote a book on how to hog hunt, and if your dogs aren't like that specifically, then they aren't no good. But they don't put in perspective different areas and different terrain and everything else.

SPEAKER_06 22:35

Or an hour from their house. They grew up in this one area, and that's all they hunt, and that's all they're they know. They haven't opened their mind up to anything. And it's sad, it's sad to it's sad to see that, but uh there's a lot of people like that.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

And they're not gonna bring their dogs and hunt anywhere. Like that no, hell no. They'll talk shit and you tell them say, hey, well, come on, you know, you're you're invited to come hunt. They're they're never gonna take you up on it. Yeah, closed-minded, small-minded people.

SPEAKER_05 23:05

But it can't and and the problem is is people not wanting to get bested. Like if I can go hunting with somebody and see better dogs than mine, I want to do that and figure out how I can get mine like that.

SPEAKER_07 23:16

Mm-hmm.

unknown 23:18

100%.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

And the way to do that is to go watch somebody's dogs that are really, really, really good.

SPEAKER_06 23:30

Well, yeah, I mean, you're 100% right. I mean, there's like I said, people are closed-minded to that, and they'll damn think they're doing the best thing since sliced bread, but in reality, their they ain't shit. Their dogs ain't shit, and they're scared to go places, but that's everywhere, man. Now that was gonna lead to my next question. I mean, it's like on our side we see a lot of turnover. Do y'all see a lot of turnover with people in uh the haul dog community over there? Like in in terms of getting in the game and getting out quickly, and if so, what do you think causes that so much?

SPEAKER_05 24:02

Yes, there is uh people getting in right after deer season and getting out when it gets too hot. I think a lot of it has to do now with some of those guys, because most of the guys it seems like it's people that are hunting deer leases. And deer leashes that make have people on there that aren't even from around the area, and they complain, and hog dogs run my deer off. Hog hunters, they do everything is is a problem with a hog hunter. And I think sometimes the hog hunters don't make it any better for themselves by sitting and just talking or writing up a contract by anything to try to help themselves. It's easier just to get in, hunt when you can and then get back out.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

Now, now you're in Texas, everybody knows you're in Texas, you're in southeast Texas. Um, everybody that usually thinks of Texas, they think of Cactus Flats and and the Dallas Cowboys and shit like that. But y'all are in like prime gator country. Now, how how do y'all battle the gators and your dogs and without them getting ate, or has it happened in the past? Growing up Florida hunting, your dogs, haul dogs up, we've had dogs get eight in the past, and it's not a it's not a fun time at all. Now, you how do you how do y'all battle that issue?

SPEAKER_05 25:26

No, and I've had dogs eaten too.

SPEAKER_06 25:28

Hold on, don't don't don't hold on, don't don't incriminate yourself in it.

SPEAKER_05 25:33

No, no. I know better than that. But yeah, um we've had dogs eaten too, you know, and it sucks. Uh and especially during the summertime around here, because that wintertime I get my dogs casting pretty good. I mean they'll run off, cast pretty good. But by summertime I gotta bring them on back in. You know, I can't just send them somewhere, which thankfully there's so many alligators around here. I mean, there's just as many alligators as there is hogs, if not more. And the hogs know that they're there too.

SPEAKER_07 26:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:12

So if a hog has a chance to cross a bridge, it it'll run to the bridge across. But on top of that, we are huh?

SPEAKER_06 26:21

I was gonna say, now they try to dump the the the dogs off into the alligator?

SPEAKER_05 26:26

No, no, no. Okay, the the hogs will will cross a bridge to avoid swimming.

SPEAKER_06 26:32

Oh, okay, okay, I got your saying. I hear your saying. I got you.

SPEAKER_05 26:34

Yeah, I've watched them run a mile and a half and instead to go to a concrete bridge and cross.

unknown 26:43

Right.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

And watch them cross the bridge to not have to swim the ditch.

SPEAKER_06 26:47

That's incredible, man.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

You know.

SPEAKER_06 26:49

Well, I mean, uh one of the times because I was out there, I I mean, we we jumped that big boar hog right on the road, and uh we had probably five or six dogs on him, and uh Gary looked at me and said, Can you tone them dogs back? I was like, Yeah, I can tone them back. He said, Well, tone them back because they're heading to a ditch that they don't need to cross. And you know, it's one of those things like you always gotta be conscious of where you're at, you know. And uh it it and there is not a hog worth getting a good dog ate. Now, a sorry dog, that's another that's a that's a story for a different time, but there's not a single hog that's gonna be worth getting a good dog eight. And uh every time I've been out there, you've been really good about knowing, you know, exactly where you know your big ones are sitting, and uh keep keeping your dogs out of that situation, trying to keep them, keep them out of trouble. And and that's part of it, you know, you gotta live right beside them things, you gotta hunt right beside those things. And part of part of being a good houndsman, a good dog man is knowing those things and keeping your dogs out of trouble when when it's at all possible.

SPEAKER_05 28:07

Yeah, and that's what helps me a lot is growing up hunting all this country, I know where the hogs pretty much live. I know where I can go and find hogs, but on top of that, I know where they're headed. And I'm I don't just park, kick dogs out, let them run the hog until they get paid. I'm big on helping my dogs. Not only does it help catch the hog faster, because the hog is gonna jump up and run into the marsh every time. Or he's gonna run to where he to the water. And where there's water, there's an alligator. If there's water, there's an alligator in it. Hands down. If you drop up water, there's gonna be an alligator in it. So if I can cut that hog off and send him right back where he comes from, it confusing, I'm gonna do it. And nine times out of ten, that's what helps me catch my hog, just be helping my dogs. Helping me catch the hog and helping them then I get eaten. And not have to worry about him getting eaten, you know. And it does suck when I because I've got I've got three eight-month-old puppies. The other day I ride by myself, I'm hunting by myself, they win. I don't like it when they catch shirt. We've whooped them with shirts before for catching shots, and they'll help us a little while, but for the most part, they go back to catching catching them. But they'll once the shirt is dead, they'll leave it. They won't just stand there and chew on it. Well, about the sixth hole, they like they I caught the south side of the side, now they're just running shorts, I'm letting them they're in the races, they're catching the pigs, rolling over, doing their job. Well, then I get my buggy stuck, and I'm like, okay, well, they're fine. They're still running, treeing, killing. Well, then I gotta tone them out because they've done run out of high ground. They ain't no high ground for miles, and they're about to hit, they're about to swim the ditch and be in water. So then I have to beep them out, and it sucks, but it's part of it. And like you said earlier, like, no hog is worth getting a good dog.

SPEAKER_06 30:07

I know, I know uh old Josh Taylor was uh crapping a brick when uh his Garmin pinged it, pinged that root, that really good dog you had out in the middle of the Gulf America when we was down there hunting. Yeah. Oh yeah, shout out to Garmin on that one.

SPEAKER_07 30:22

Yeah, yeah. That was that was funny.

SPEAKER_06 30:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:26

Hey Josh, where's your dog at? Uh in the middle of the golf. Not good.

SPEAKER_06 30:32

Not good. Not good. Now, uh, you still run around with old uh who's that one boy you run around? Cody Dunan.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

Uh Cody, Cody worked is working a little bit more than he was, but uh he still comes with us from time to time. That's a funny joker, man. That's a funny joker. Man, he is a he is a freaking character, but he is a hand. If you tell him to do anything, he will do it. Most of the videos you see is him diving on hogs, and I'm just behind the camera laughing, you know. It's him. The first time I ever met Cody, he gets out and his shirt looks like I mean, it's three sizes too big for Cody. And I asked him, Cody, what size is that shirt? He said, uh, too big for me. And it just never got any less funny after that. We made a big hog, he breaks up across an open saying it doesn't plot a rice field getting it ready. And the big hog can't really run too good across that big mud. Well, they made fame out there, and uh we figured, oh, you know, dogs will catch him. They're sitting down, pointing down. Well, dogs don't catch him bull. Cody catches him. Cody bulldogs him. How this hog didn't cut him in the chest, I have no idea. But it looked like straight out of a rodeo, Cody ran up there and just bulldogged him, stuck his feet out flat, throwed him over, had him headlocked. Uh and we can see the case.

SPEAKER_06 32:09

We're gonna have to see some of those videos. We're gonna send some of those videos, uh, Joey, to show what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_05 32:15

I will. I think I have a picture of him and put the hog in the headlock. I'll have to look. If it's not in the headlock, I have a picture of him catch-like he has the hog by the ear, like a bulldog.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

Hey, caught it. What about what about when when you and uh Rowdy and I I I guess chance was out there. What about when y'all were catching that mama cow and uh Cody had Cody had her in a headlock, and the old sheriff lady said, Are you alright?

SPEAKER_00 32:49

And you said, Hell no, I'm on, I'm not alright.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

Yeah, yeah. They were clearing out a field to plant milo, and uh we jumped some hogs and a bunch of roseheads, but it the the figot is surrounded by open pasture, and we got them surrounded. You know, if they want to leave, they gotta cross and open it. And that's what we were trying to make them do, is come out of the woods. Well, she did come out, and we caught her in a in a muddy, slippery, muddy ditch. Well, Cody's got this baggy jacket on, and uh, we caught her and got the dogs out, and I'm like, Cody, you got her, you're gonna turn her loose. Well, when he stands her up by the tail, the tail is muddy, and it slips out of his hand and she spins on him. Well, he backs up, and uh his hat he tries to like stop her from biting him, and she bites the jacket, and she's shaking him around, and he loses his hat. And he's like, You can have the hat, you can have it. She quits shaking him. Well, she finally shakes her, she finally lets go, and he jumps. And I don't know what he was thinking, but he jumped in the briars, and then he got stuck in the briars, and you just see two little feet kicking. And I think the hog was just as confused as me as of what was going on with left. I don't I think it just realized it didn't want no part of his legs kicking. I don't know. But it's never a dull moment when Cody Dunn is on the buggy.

SPEAKER_06 34:26

No, no. And the last time I went out there, uh what I felt I slipped coming out of the buggy and fell flat on my back and just got soaked. And it was cold that night. I don't care what anybody said, it was cold that night. And Cody said, Well, I ain't the way it's one tonight. And he just started. But I mean, I was joked, and uh, that was after he fashioned up that windshield on on Rowdy's buggy out of the saran rap. He said, Oh, it's old. Yeah. So yeah. Go ahead, Carter. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I'm I'm good. All right, all right. Now I was gonna say, now, like you said, you said the other partner in crime was oh, Rowdy Ward. Um man, uh, a couple years ago, what was it, 2023, Carter? They uh Garrett and Rowdy pulled up to uh the windfield for Upper Earls, and uh I guess they got tired of watching the pin nail miss these hogs and stuff like that. So one of the craziest things I ever seen in my life was Rowdy Ward had that rope. He hopped down there, he got all mad because the 10 nails missing these hogs. He got down there and he pulled a hand that that hog that ran by the that ran by the uh gate without his like no look did it. That was the most impressive thing I've seen probably ever in my life. One of them was him DDP in that bag of a hole. That was the thing. He suplexed that he suplexed that one. I got that video. He suplexed that one. That was impressive.

SPEAKER_05 36:08

That was impressive. If there's one thing you'll learn about Rowdy, he will show up two hours late to the hunt. He might be wearing two different shoes, but he will do something that day that's so impressive that he becomes a hero. And it is every time, whether you're working cows or hog hunting, Rowdy will do something spectacular. And you will forget about the two wrong shoes or the two hours late that he got there.

SPEAKER_07 36:37

Yeah, he's a damn guy.

SPEAKER_06 36:38

He's a damn. And I mean, you you know, y'all's daddies are both kind of legends in in that part of Texas. And uh talk talk a little bit about kind of living up to their legacy, man. Like, I I mean uh on it, obviously, like, you know, that they're it it's a different time now, but you know, it's like you're not a you're not a first generation guy. Your daddy kind of started you on dogs. Just kind of talk a little bit about uh living up to that legacy that your your dad started.

SPEAKER_05 37:14

I'm very blessed to have the dad that I have. I'm very thankful, and Rowdy is too, I'm sure. Uh so and me, you know, my dad can make a dog pretty much do anything, can get a dog to do anything. He's about as dogman as they come. But he hung around dogman. There's I mean, you go think about Kyle Witherspoon, and and Kyle, that's your dad hunted with a bunch, or Kevin Allen, who doesn't have dogs anymore, and and it's hunting, it's hunting with different people, learning and growing. And uh I'm thankful for that. I don't it big shoes the field, you know. Um he still hunts a little bit, he'll go on horses if I'm hunting around there. But uh yeah, I don't know. It'll be hard, hard to live up to that. It's hard to live up to that, you know. Everybody knows me as Joel's son around here.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, like that that's the thing. Like, every time I've talked to anybody that that you know is from that part of the world or has experienced that part of the world in any capacity, like, you know, I I say I went and hunted with you, and then you know, it it's the same thing. It's Joel's boy or that's Chance's boy, like, you know, it it's uh it's a it's an interesting uh dynamic because you know, like y'all's dads are essentially legends around those parks, but at the same time, man, like I think y'all both have done a good job of kind of forging your own legacy. And you know, it's just like you said, your dad kind of went to college for his cattle dogs, but you're still running the yellow dogs or the hogs. And so, you know, it it's it's nice to have all that information, and it's nice to have that role model that you broke up to, but at the same time, it's nice to be able to say, you know what, like I think this is the way I want to go, and I think this is the direction I want to go. And y'all, you know, you've done a really good job of that, especially like after getting a lot of your older dogs that were really real nice yellow dogs, uh knocked out. I mean, like a lot of guys hang it up and and go to something different. It it would have been very easy for you to say, well, I'm just gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

Oh my god. Yeah, I can hear you. Dude, they uh it's on my end. Uh yeah, it's it's on my end. They they cut all our phone service out, so I had to go through uh thank God we got Starlink. Um yeah, well they done this what was it last week and week before last. We had to do another one like this, but luckily uh kind of had kind of narrowed it down real quick. So if you want to add those guys to this call, we can just continue. We're still rolling, so it's not it's not gonna matter.

SPEAKER_07 42:22

Yeah, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

Sorry about that. We were talking about their living up to the legacy.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Yeah, they call it.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

I can I can hang up and you can add everybody on the group if you want to.

SPEAKER_07 43:06

Yeah, I can hear you. All right, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_06 43:09

Yeah, I can hear you. All right, go, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

It's hard to guys, it's it's on our end. Um they're they're adding a new Wi-Fi network, new spectrum through here. And they done this a couple of weeks ago. And then I think they done it very first part of last week for like four hours to cut all the phone service out.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

That's lovely.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Oh, it's uh uh thing at H. But but we got I think we got Starlink and we still can go uh uh what what is what'd you what's you know you remember uh we were talking about living up to their data legacy and how they're building their own legacy right now. Uh uh talking about you know about what they're doing. And you know how they're building their own legacy. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 44:04

All right. Garrett, read redo redo that I guess.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Okay. Uh well, you know, I'm very blessed to have the dad that I have, and I'm sure Riley would say the same thing. Yeah. Uh of course, you know, father and son want to be better. Don't know if you can be better because growing up, they were your first heroes. Uh it's big shoes to fill. Dad kind of got away from the hog dogs and stuff, and I stuck with it. But if I ever have questions about anything, he knows, you know. And uh I don't really know if I'll ever be bigger than him. Hell. Around here, I'm known as Joel's son, and pretty much everywhere I go, if I introduce myself, oh, is Joel your dad? You know, that's the first question that happens. But I guess when your dad's 40 over in his 40s and he's still spurring Bronx and winning rodeos on top of everything else that he does, everybody a lot of people are gonna know him, you know.

SPEAKER_06 45:07

Well, and that's that's the cool thing about it. Y'all, you know, you you don't necessarily see your dad as competition. Like, you know, and you just said it right there. If I if there's something that I don't know, I can go ask my dad. And that's a that's a really nice thing to have, whether it be your dad or just an older fella that you looked up to or whatever it may be, it's nice to have somebody that when you don't know something, you you can go ask them. And uh it's really awesome that it's your dad, and it's really awesome that you know you y'all have you, you know, y'all y'all still respect them and still admire what they've done, but at the same time, you're not stuck in that and you're you're trying to forge your your own legacy, you know.

SPEAKER_04 45:53

Yes, yeah, for sure. Uh and like I said, dad got out of Hole Gun. He still goes a little bit, but uh he stays pretty busy with the cows and everything. He took over uh Sabine Ranch Cattle Company, so he stays pretty busy. But if I go horseback, normally he'll go or he'll want to go or talk, he'll at least talk about going. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_06 46:17

Yeah, I might ride down there. Yeah, yeah, I might put in with y'all. Was was Joel with us when we caught that big listed listed towel? I think yeah, he was.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

Yeah, yeah, he was. He probably thought I was an idiot catching that, catching that freaking dog, but uh oh man.

SPEAKER_07 46:41

Yeah, that was pretty comical. Yeah, that was funny right there. That was funny.

SPEAKER_06 46:45

Well, I mean, both me and you have her like grab on her anchors. I mean, you know, it's got these big old anchors, and uh we'll put dogs off and get her away from that flu right there, and uh the dogs were pulling her down towards the slew, and we was it we was in a bond, but finally we got the dogs off, and it was pretty funny when we was coming back through there. You said all man.

SPEAKER_07 47:14

She was still standing there, he was standing right in the middle of the road when we come back.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Yeah, PTSD. Yeah, we oh man.

SPEAKER_06 47:28

Now, Garrett, what uh what do you think the future of hog dogging looks like for Garrett Piku in 10 years from now? What do you what do you think you're gonna be doing with the hog dogs? Do you think?

SPEAKER_04 47:42

Hopefully, uh uh I it's hard to say. Hopefully, I'm still doing it as much as I am now. Uh, maybe with a few more dogs. Can't ever have too many. Everybody talks about uh think you got enough dogs? No, I really don't. But if I'm feeding a dog that's old enough to go, by God, I'm loading it up and it's coming with me. That's right for the most part. You know, I like having a whole pack of dogs down there. Ain't nothing pretty. Well, the only thing prettier than one and two dogs bang is ten or twelve. Uh or go back looking at your gommet and seeing a bunch of different dogs bang.

SPEAKER_06 48:20

Now you're sound now you're sounding like Uncle Pat a little bit. Oh, golly. God mighty. Same with me with Jake Licano and uh Randy Durell, they all have high praises for you and your family, um, and your and your dogs. And uh ironically, I think somehow, I don't know how you can tell us more about it, but that sway dog we got that we gave, or Carter got that we gave to boy down the street, La or Law Nash. Um, somehow we've heard stories that goose was bred to a dog related to some of y'all's stuff or old fine. And uh Uno was a dog. Uno his dog has turned into a dog, man. I'm telling you, that sway dog has turned into a fine specimen.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

Uno was born in a horse doll at our house. Um her mama was a dog named Maul. She goes back to some of Kyle Witherspoon, so that's another guy. Nobody, everybody around here knows him in the cowboy world. They know Kyle Witherspoon. He's as cowboy as they come. Uh, and sure enough, dog man always had yellow dogs. Uh, he don't do Facebook, he don't do none of that. You know Kyle because of what he what he is and what he's got. And uh that's what uh that gip went back to. Anyways, Uno come out, she was the only puppy in the litter. Her mama, she was about as tough as a gip as they come, and she really didn't want to raise her. But we got her raised, and I I believe the reason we didn't keep her is because she wouldn't go both ways. Dad didn't want dogs that didn't go both ways. He likes so unless it was a really good hog dog, he would keep it. If it wouldn't bae hogs and cows, he didn't keep it. And uh I think Michael Hannah had Uno, I believe. And uh she was always good, you know, always good about going and finding hogs. And Swayze looks exactly like her. Oh yeah. I mean, it exactly the head, everything, ear set, everything just like her. Uh, I believe Uno died of of cancer. I think it was cancer, maybe of old age, but uh yeah, she was a good one. She was a good jip. She just didn't go both ways, and dad didn't want that.

SPEAKER_06 50:37

Well, man, I'm telling you, that that slazy dog has turned into a dog, and and Carter, we talked about this in the past that he's had uh he was always a shadow behind Carter's girl dog, but when he got out from under Carter's girl dog and went to a new home and started getting hunting by himself, man, he turned into a damn dog. I'm telling he'll cast as deep as anybody's casting dog, and he'll he'll run two, three, four miles. Like he'll he'll go. And it's it's impressive to see a quote unquote cur dog or mixed up cur dog to do that. Um now, dude, does any of y'all's dogs are deep range like that? Or what what typically range does y'all's dogs hunt out? Do you free cast your dogs more? You ride along with the horses? Do like what what what kind of style? I mean, I know what you're gonna say, but what kind of style for everybody listen to?

SPEAKER_04 51:17

Uh so I don't I if I if there's a style, I try to do it. Uh I I want them to win. I want them to they normally I can start out the morning, I can cast some dogs, and I've got two that will run all the way off. They will pair up, run all the way off. And the puppies normally, if they put in with them, they'll run off and go on and run away too. And uh it seems like they're running away just running, just for pulling out the thing they think winter sometimes. Nine times out of ten, they'll end up baited. There's a dog down there. Uh normally, like, so we started off just during the summertime. I take my dog box out because you can't really, I mean, you can cast dogs around here, but the further they get out of pocket, the harder they are to get back, the more likely they are to get eaten by an alligator.

SPEAKER_07 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

So I kind of I try to keep starting to get them in pocket a little bit more, and I wind right around. Uh, but I can hunt them off horses. I've got a dog named Eusta that came from chance and rowdy, and he will piss you off. He is about as counterfeit as they come, but I'll probably catch more hogs with him than anything else. He's just smart. He knows, hey, we don't have to, I don't have to run off. We're gonna drive around. I'll I'll win the hog that's right that's laying in the bushes that ain't moved in eight hours. I'll go find him. We'll bay him. Or you know, stuff like that. And off horses, he is really hard to beat. Really, really hard to beat. Stays close range. When a hog jumps up and runs, he's taking it and he's going to get it bait.

SPEAKER_06 52:51

Man, there's there's like you hear folks talk about dogs like that, and I've got a I I had a dog. Oh Carr, Carl, I ain't trying to car, hold on just a moment. Joey, can you hear us? Yeah. Okay, I'll make sure. We're good. Good.

SPEAKER_07 53:04

He just listened.

SPEAKER_06 53:05

I'm listening. But uh, you know, the champ was just like that. No, like your best dog is 800 yards in there, and you start driving towards that dog, and the dog in the back, you know, goes, oh, and you know he smells one, so you cut him loose, and he may have a 300-pounder that's been laid up in the briars for a long while. You know, it's funny how how a lot of people say, Well, I'll not have a dog that won't cast three miles and and dry curves to go find the hog. No, man, I want the dog that's gonna find the meat. You know, I don't care how they're doing it, I I want them to find the meat. And it's part of being a good dog handler is understanding the strengths of those dogs. You know, you're not gonna ask that dog to do the same thing your cast dogs do, but at the same time, when he says something or he does something, and you know there's a hog laying in that rose hedge off of the side of the ditch, you're gonna let him go and he's gonna go bait, you know, and and a lot of times people just are overlooked those small little things, and you know, the dogs that they have aren't reaching their full capacity in in however they find their hogs.

SPEAKER_04 54:36

And no two dogs are the same. You can want a dog to be like the best dog you ever owned that got killed, but they'll never be the same. No, so as long as they're going and hunting and trying, all I have to do is try, try to do something. Show me something, try, try. If you say there's not a hog right there, I'll believe you. You know, there might be and they might just not be very good, but for the most part, I can drive a few miles down the road into another thicket and they'll go cut up a hog. And I'm like, huh, maybe they weren't lying to me. You know, maybe there wasn't something there that I thought there might be something there. But going back to the styles of hunting, we hunted. So I loaded my dogs up on Friday morning at nine o'clock in the in the horse trailer. Of course, they thought we were going hunting right then. Well, I had a funeral to go to, they stayed in the trailer. I drove two hours over to my girlfriend's house and uh hunted with her and her brother. They got a bunch of cornfields and stuff. So stayed in the trailer all day Friday, hunted Friday night, hunted again on, caught seven on Friday night, hunted again on Saturday night, caught seven more, hunted Sunday before. They were kind of pooped, they were kind of whooped. Uh so at that point I started kind of pushing them on the buggy or walking with them. I'm not ashamed to say I walk with my dogs whenever they're tired and they ain't a bunch of sign. I will strike out and go look for some sign and help them. I'll help them out. You know, they've given me work all weekend staying in a trailer, and dogs staying anywhere but home, they're not getting the rest that they normally would get. You know, staying in the trailer. They might be used to staying in the trailer, but it's not their that's not their kennel.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

No, a hundred percent. And and the stress factor comes along with that.

unknown 56:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

I mean, there's stress that's uh unreal. We don't need to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 56:33

You take a dog on the road for three days versus it laying in its kennel for three days, and it's two completely different dogs.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Ain't no doubt.

SPEAKER_06 56:43

Yep. Yeah, people don't take that account, man. When you drive, like when we drive, we try to tell people that don't travel with their dogs. I'm like, man, we just drove 15, 16 hours to South Texas and turned the dog loose and they found a hulk. You know what I'm saying? Like, and and and for people don't understand how hard it is for dogs to do that.

SPEAKER_07 57:00

Um it's very hard.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Because it don't matter how much you feed them, you can see the losing the weight and the stress that's on them by not just being home.

SPEAKER_06 57:10

When we when we when we go every time we go for that little week trip that we go to Texas and we swing back through earls, man, them dogs look like skin and moat. They look like that to be honest, they look like dog shit. Like for real, they look like if you went and looked at the dogs after that, you would say these are poor dogs. Because they look like crap. Yeah, and but people don't realize, I mean, they've been hunted and traveled that far. It's not like they haven't eaten, but they're just like you said, they're not just at home, they're they're not comfortable where they can rest and not be on alert 24-7. You know what I'm saying? Um yeah. I mean, we have I mean I ain't afraid to say. Remember, we one of Kevin Brooks's dogs, Drew brought a dog out to Texas, and we had them chained out in the stakes like normal, everything was normal. And one of uh Drew's dogs died on the chain. It just it wasn't hot outside, it wasn't like that. Maybe it got worked up about an emu walking around and they never seen, but it's just like that. That's uh that's a lot of stress on a dog, man. And if it's not if it can't take that, and the dog was a young dog, it was like two years old. If you if they can't just take that stress and compartmentalize it and and get just hold it back and not stress out about it, they'll they can suffer consequences, and people don't realize that's a lot of stress on a dog. I mean, same thing with cattle. You're shipping, you're shipping cattle around, my dad's in the cattle business, you're shipping cattle around, they account for shrinkage. Like they know the cattle's gonna lose weight, you know, their percentage. And and and people people don't understand that. I'm glad y'all brought that up.

SPEAKER_03 58:29

Well, I might have a I might have something that's gonna work out for a lot of us. I actually have a a dog nutritionist that's coming this week to our yard. And yeah, uh if it works out, he's gonna hunt with us this weekend. Uh he's gonna stay a couple of days and look at the dogs. And his specialty is just that having your dogs to where the stress levels are down, they don't lose the weight and all this on the on the hunting trip. So it man, if this if this guy can help us out, like it's gonna be great for all of us.

SPEAKER_06 59:01

Uh you know, it's like but that's impressive. I mean, that's great. That's pre-planning it basically getting ready for the game.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

Well, he got from the bird dog world, and that's that's all he's ever done. Is uh, I mean, he's got paid to go do this uh for the past 30 plus years is to keep other people's field trial, these big money bird dogs, in great shape, low stress, and ready to roll. So we're gonna see if we can't apply it to the hog dog world.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:33

I think people people need to take the factor, like if the sooner you get dogs used to going out like puppies, I'll throw a puppy in my dog box. We're not going hunting at all. I mean, the damn thing's two months old, but I'm I'm gonna drive around town with it in a dog box so it gets used to being in there and new stuff and walking around. So that's that's good. And and a lot of people would need to think of beforehand you're gonna go on this trip, like your dogs need to be taken care of. Like, you gotta be able to take care of your dogs beforehand. I can't look like shit before you go, then they're gonna come back and not not make it all the way back, you know what I'm saying? So um there is obviously freak things that happen that occur that could happen, but as a you guys like people gotta harp on taking care of your dogs all the time, and especially before a big trip, like overfeed them a little bit so they're used to they got some weight on them still, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:18

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:21

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:24

That uh I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, that's that's something good. That's something that's I feel like a lot of people don't talk about is you know that side of things, like you know, your dog's losing weight. Um, but I I also feel like what Garrett just talked about a while ago about him helping his dog in every way. My my level of respect is is went through the roof. I I don't I don't know Garrett that well. I've talked to him and you know, watch videos, and I know that sucker is is he's he's got a lot of big hogs out there. But a lot of these guys, like you said, they they won't they won't say, oh yeah, man, I got down to walk my dogs up through this head of woods or anything. Why? Why wouldn't you? Why would you not help your dogs? I mean, I I think that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:09

They don't want to say that they don't want to say they had to help them. They nobody wants to talk about what what went wrong. Well, making a good dog, there there's a lot that that's probably gonna go wrong into doing it. Yeah. Uh and you're not because you're and it goes back to when I said you're gonna try to compare it to a dog you had. Not every dog's the same. Not every dog just fires off and is good. That's right. Sometimes it takes a little bit of help and a little bit of confidence boosting and a little bit of hey, you know, this is what I want you to do. I'll show you. I'll I'll do it with you. Yes, sir. And then and then boom. Next next thing you know, the dog's going to find hogs, you ain't gotta walk them no more, you ain't gotta do it no more. They know what you want, they know what you want them to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:52

Yeah. Now, Garrett, what what's the most humbling thing a hog has ever taught you, you reckon? Out of all these years you've been been hog hunting. What's the most humbling thing a hog has caught you?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:05

Hogs are smart, especially ones that's that has been ran, and hogs around here have been hunted a bunch. That's why I I try to I I'm pretty good at remembering their trails, remembering where they're gonna go and doing that, and and there's hogs that I've never caught that I have made and I have tried to catch and I have tried to outsmart, and just when I think I got um they pull something out of there and and it just stumps me. You know, when I'm scratch scratching my head because I done thought I got this hog figured out, and he goes somewhere else. There, there's some rice fields that I hunt, and it's why they done cut them. The fields are wide open. There ain't the grass is still a little tall because they just cut the tops off, but I'm for sure I'm about to catch this hog. The wind is right, everything is right. They run out there, they get him bait. I can I know it's him. Uh he's in the same freaking field that I bait him in the last seven times I've got on him. And he goes on a cross-country trip, and I'm going to every hog crossing that I know of, and I'm cutting him off and cutting him off and cutting him off. Well, then he hits a briar bush, a rose hedge little clump, probably you know, 30 yards wide, 40 yards long, something like that. And their dogs are circling it, banning. And I go to drive, driving my buggy over it, trying to get him to come out, he's gone.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:41

He doesn't got out of there. You know, you know what the Australians would say to that? You need a couple bull Arabs. Yeah. That's what that's what the Australians are gonna tell you on that one. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Yeah. And maybe I do. Maybe I maybe that maybe that would help me.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:56

But uh Bull Arabs. I got it. I got some in the very back back here, uh, down there by the creek. I've got a couple of bull Arabs down there. They've been there for about 20 years. Yeah. I made my bird bulls and yellow dogs and and bulldog crosses. Uh they got to go, they got to go yonder. You know, uh I I find it funny that like like you're talking about though, in a wide open field. Yeah, where did where did he go? Yeah, where did he go?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:31

Yeah, where did he go? The hogs are smart, man. They strike out or they damn they'll sit there and squat, you know. That's that's what that's what that's what humbles me the most is them them squatting hogs, man. I've noticed just in the last five years, I've noticed them hogs, like, especially the good hogs, squat a lot more than they did in the five years before. Yes, sir. Like, you'll go jump a huge rally of hogs, and then the dogs are 800 yards away running them them little pigs and and shit and squids and all them littles. And then you'll just be standing there looking at the garment, and you'll look up and and big boar hog just stands up and walks right by you. Right about 50 yards in front of you and just strolls on right on by.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:26

We did that the other one.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:27

Walk right in front of you, sit there in the road, take a shit, take a piss, and just walk on.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

We we did that the other night with a guy, he's from Louisiana, he's my niece's boyfriend, and he's been hunting up here. You you know Heath and all them guys. All right, well, they got a spot that they hunted up here, and we call it the zoo because like literally you you're gonna catch within five minutes, and you'll catch well buttons. Uh it's it's nobody's place, really. Everybody just kind of uses it. But he's been going up there, and I thought he wanted to come hunt with us. I thought that's a little different. So I I think we were about three. Hours in and his little dogs know hey, they were jamming. They would bae and bay and bay. And as soon as we get close, they break and run. And I told him, I said, they're not really going nowhere. And I got some videos I'm gonna post. He said, Well, they crossed the road right here. I said, did they? He was like, Yeah, they did, I promise you. I was like, You sure about that? And he kept looking, he couldn't find any tracks. Well, when we're standing there, we hear something. The dogs are a hundred yards from us. You you can hear this hog get up breathing. Nate goes over there and turns him and him out. He gets the layup boar hog at what 10 yards from us the whole time. The whole world's going crazy, and the boar hog's right there beside us, just squatting. He couldn't believe that he was like, dude, I can't believe this stuff. I was like, This is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:51

It's nuts. I mean, I remember I remember one time me and Carter, we we hunted damn three. I probably it was about I ain't gonna lie, it's probably three weeks. We hunted a whore and ain't catch a gosh darn hog. We get on hogs. That's when the dogs are kind of young. We get on hogs, and uh the dog that they would break out of it, just go too far, whatever, they get on their property, whatever. But man, I remember that one night. Remember Carter, it was cold as shit. We was down the bottom the down the dogs went about 800 yards and they're trailing up, trailing up, and we hear something across like through the woods, and I was like, I'm gonna shine my light. I shot my light. I swear to God, this hog, big old, big old blonde boar hog or spotted hog was probably 10 yards from us. He just sat there and looked at me and Carter. We didn't obviously we we just started.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

Shot him in the midst. You missed the mist.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:44

I probably wouldn't have missed. Not that one.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:47

That one was a playup, brother.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

But we mean but me, like that at that time, me and Carter were like, man, like we've been hunting hard. We're hoping to catch a break, like all this stuff. And yeah, and go figure, go figure. It kind of just gets rubbed in our noses right there. Yeah. I don't know. We must we I guess me and Carter weren't living right at that time. Well, I mean, at that time in our life, because the dogs went 800 yards, they were on a hog. Like, yeah, there was no, there was no, I wonder what they're running, because them dogs, like legitimately, they strictly ran hogs. Like they hurt a lot of feelings by saying, um, brother, your dog's not banging a hog, it's got an armadillan hole, and that's why you keep losing GPS. Like, them dogs, and and granted, we took a lot of hunt out of them dogs doing that. But they're honest, if they were if they were running, it was a hog. You could, I mean, you could put your entire life on it, and it was gonna be a hog. But yeah, I mean, uh, the the hog just walked right in front of me in the line, and we're just standing there just trying to like, are you kidding me? And uh yeah, but it was just one of them tough, tough streaks. Like, we we had jumped some some pretty nice hogs, and it was so daggum dry. And uh I mean, I don't care what anybody says, running a hog when it's super dry is completely different than running a hog when there is any form of moisture on the ground.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

It's super dry, or or we've had I've I've seen it, and me and Zach Steelens were talking about it on Sunday. When the dew, when a heavy dew sets on the ground, we feel like that holds the track under the dew. It makes it harder harder on the dogs to figure it out. Then it's like it's like a double-edged sword. You don't want it too dry, but you don't want that dew on the ground because then it's locks it down.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:53

The dew, you know, it it's I think it's got a lot to do with the ground moisture because the dew is is above ground moisture level. When there's when there's a little bit of ground moisture and the dew, then that just makes everything that just makes everything work together. So if you've got a decent dew and you got a little bit of moisture around, that's gonna make everything kind of kind of work together, versus where you got brick hard ground, it ain't raining in two months. Oh yeah. And then you got dew on top of that, yeah. That's that's gonna hold it down, you know, because that hog was walking before the dew set. You know, he was it's different if he was walking after the dew set. After the dew set, it smells like a million bucks to them.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:46

Yeah, he done knocked the dude off. You you can you or me could track him just by looking at the track.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

All right, so I got a question. I got a question for all of y'all right quick in your areas. What you just said about the what about the hog walking before the dew. What what do you feel is the optimum time that these hogs are walking? Uh and Garrett, in your in your area, and then Carter and Ryan in y'all's area.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

Right. Well, hogs around here, you never really know when they're moving. I know if it's if there's a light rain outside, I can go hunting down there and see hogs moving. I got you. Nine times out of ten, hogs will be moving in a light, in a light rain, sometimes in a heavy rain. And and I've even seen them moving it in the middle of the day when it's a hundred degrees outside. Um but I think that has something to do. I think they change their patterns because of they're getting ran by dogs, they're getting shot at from helicopters, they're getting shot at from thumble guys. I think they're they they are starting to figure out kind of what times they need to move and and whatnot. Last I mean, last night we're riding around uh Colin Kavarchik, uh, my girlfriend's brother. See, he uh he bought a drone because they have so many cornfields to cover in a night. That drone is is a game changer. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, because you can go and ride around fields and see hog tracks all you want, but you fly that drone up dying a single hog in the field. Then you're wasting time or whatever. Well, we we we get to a field that there's more knockdown corn than there is standing corn. And we have done caught hogs out of here two nights in a row, a bunch of hogs. Well, it's two two two thirty in the morning, and the hogs are just now getting there. Wow. They're just now showing up. They've had all night, nothing's been there. It actually had a day break where nothing touched it, and they didn't even come the night that we didn't that we weren't there. At least there wasn't any new knockdown corn. I got you. And uh, so I don't know. I think it I think they change depending on pressure.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:03

I I'd have to agree with Garrett. There, I would say our hogs walk whenever they get good and well ready to walk. Like, um I had the one of the most humbling things ever happened to me, and this probably been eight or nine years ago, but uh I had hogs on camera, and they were it was it was right before turkey season because I remember I had turkeys on the camera too, and uh I had hogs come in at like 11.30 in the day. You know, just kind of a kind of a random time because normally like typically you're gonna see them when it gets dark. And uh 11.30 for every day, and this was this was back when cell cameras were still real expensive. So I like I wouldn't buy no cell camera. And uh so I was going out there dumping dumping corn and checking camera every day, and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, they were there from 11:30 to 2.30 during the day. And we got set up, we met at the Dagum gas station ready to go at 10 o'clock and just sat there and waited, just like, oh yeah, we fixing a pile it on them. We fixing a pile of on them. Go show up, drive up there. The hogs didn't show up. We hunted the whole property, didn't catch anything, and then I go back on Sunday to catch the camera, and the day that we showed up on that Friday, they were there from like four to six during the day. Yeah, you know, it was just it it was it was extremely humbling to me. It's just like, yeah, you think you know what they're doing, you think you got them dialed in, but more than likely you don't.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:04

Yeah, that's that's what it was for us for years. Like it it, you know, it it late in the evening at dark. Usually we'd go hunting about nine or ten that night and we'd just wear them out. You know, that's when we was gonna find them. And uh that then I got this other property and it changed, it humbled me to the fact that I paid more for that property just to hog hunt it a few times a year, and there's not hardly any hogs on it, but it humbled me. I thought I was good at it, I thought I had good dogs, and then I got there and I was like, holy shit. Those hogs were coming out at two o'clock in the afternoon, nine o'clock in the morning, uh, three o'clock in the morning, just whenever they wanted to. Well, so I had to adjust a lot, but here the past two weeks, I have noticed a whole completely different deal down here where we're hunting. These hogs are walking down the middle of the road at 10 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, and we're like I'm talking about we're there right at daylight, you know, trying to get the best part of the day. And I mean, it's already 90 degrees, 85 to 90 degrees with high humidity. And they they're just walking right down the middle of the road, just and we never see hogs. You know, it's so thick. But it's like they're like you said, like they're out looking at the room.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:23

I think like you said, they're I think they're evolving. I mean, yes, and and I can I testify, like me and Carter, we're gracious enough that our jobs allow us to hunt whenever. Same, thank same thing with like Dave Williams, because we've been home with Dave Williams a lot, and uh it almost seems like we catch hogs way more hogs in the middle of the day. Yeah. From like Monday through Thursday almost. And then like obviously Friday, Saturday, Sunday, people are hunting all the time. And but I I think we catch more hogs in the middle of the day during the week when everybody's at work. So like I think them hogs kind of can pattern and figure out when they're hot, like they're pressure. So the most pressure is like though they can they can almost sense that and then they know they're good, they're good, they're good. And heck me, we've we've been smashing them. Like, there's been multiple times me and Carter get up and like I get off the fire hall over here. I'll get like technically I'm supposed to be eight to eight, so usually people come in for me like seven o'clock. Anyways, by the time I get home, get the dolls and get up to the golden pantry to meet Dave or Carter and or whoever I'm hunting with, it's 8:30, 9 o'clock before the hunt starts. You know what I'm saying? And then we go out there and hunt, and they're in the middle of the week when people are at work, and uh we uh usually do pretty decent. But I get what you're saying. But like also I see the thing where I think park times of the year, the moon phases, all that stuff that plays a part. And but I can guarantee you there's one spot that we got that me and Carter call the crap fields that they probably there around two, two to six o'clock in the morning. And uh when the farmers is out there, they they'll tell us they'll be like, well, we see them drove a hog 40, 50 of them at two o'clock in the morning. If y'all were here at two o'clock in the morning, but yeah. At the same time, but I mean, I think it 100% matters what time of year it is. Like, but yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. During during pre-turkey season, post-care season, like I've got a spot where I can go in the afternoon, and we can just about guarantee that we're gonna jump off. Like, and it it's not necessarily that there's a pile of them in there, and a lot of times there is a pile of them in there, but you you can go at like four, four or five o'clock in the afternoon before it gets dark, and there's gonna be hogs. You know, you you're gonna go cast three times, and whatever spot you cast in, you might hit them the first time, you might hit them the second time, you might hit them the third time, but there's gonna be hogs there. And uh it's just I think a lot of that, and then that same spot you can go in the morning, and it there ain't no hogs there, you know. It just it it it's and then uh like if you put a lot of pressure on them, a lot of times it's gonna be once that sun goes down because they know you're gonna be there at four or five o'clock in the afternoon and they ain't gonna show up until it's eight o'clock or nine o'clock, you know. And it I they they 100% know. I mean, the like people don't hogs don't get enough credit for being as smart as they are.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:33

You know, they are smart. What's the smartest one you've seen, Garrett? Just that one you were talking about a while ago that you just couldn't catch?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:43

Well, they're all I I've ran a bunch of pretty pretty old, old and smart hogs when it comes to running a mile to go find the souse or or doing whatever it can running in circles and circles and circles and circles. Just trying to just it it might know it's caught, but it it it is trying every little thing and you're and it takes everything in you to to outsmart it. I don't know. There's so many stories I've forgotten about hogs that stumped me or that I was finally happy to catch because of how smart it was. Uh it might it would probably have to take me a little while to try to think up or look at some pictures to try to remember satisfaction too, like when I mean obviously that you get stumped, stumped, stumped, stumped.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:36

Me and me, Dave, and Carter, we got a well, there's a hog down not far from where we hunt at all the time that we put on many a times, and and it takes it takes I don't know if it takes the same path, but it it goes towards the same way, and it's just the way the terrain is and how it's set up, then hogs can get up out of there and the dogs can't keep up. So uh we've been talking about it. We're gonna try, I think we're gonna try him this week and doing a different game plan and try to ambush them from the back and push them back towards the field. But like it's it's you get a sense of satisfaction satisf satisfaction when you're able to catch the hogs like that. You know what I'm saying? I tell you what, I'm gonna do with that hog, Ryan, is I'm gonna be camped out on that road where he crosses, the one road spot where he crosses, and I'm gonna shoot him in the head when he crosses or you go on his you go on me. Hey, no, but seriously, Car, me, you know, me and Dave was talking about, we were talking about starting like a road that goes in back to that clear cut that we always drive back through, you know, we get a tight road. Yeah, start start back there, or even split up and then and then cast on the backside, and if they hop and get on, cast the dogs in the field, you know what I'm saying? Oh boy, them dogs go up. I see you.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:40

He's gonna do the same thing. I send you pepper carter and you put pepper in there with him.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:45

Yeah, yeah. No, pepper, I love old pepper.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

He's a loose bear.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:52

Yeah, he's real. He's got real short hair, too. That's the only long-haired dog that I've ever really grown an affection to. And his hair ain't all that long, but he looks like a that's he looks like a I don't know, he looks like a dealer gone wrong.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

Yeah. Everybody from Australia, they're like, oh man, look at that dog. He he's some type of Aussie dog. I'm like, no, he's a shit eater.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:20

He's full-blooded.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:21

He's full-blooded, double bred.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:24

Double bred. Yeah. Now uh we've been we've been going for about an hour, hour and a half, or whatever we got going on. I want to ask Garrett one more question before I know he's got stuff to do. He's probably got work tomorrow morning. Uh now, Garrett, when it's all said and done, what do you hope people remember about you and your dogs? Like what you what your legacy is about. What do you what do you hope to remember you about the most?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

Uh that yellow good yellow dogs are still around, I guess. Everybody you read Facebook, everybody talks about everybody switching the hounds and and everything, and and uh good curgs are still around. Uh not that mine are good, but at least I can travel around and catch hogs pretty much. I mean, we've traveled around a pretty good bit and caught hogs all over with cur dogs. Uh I guess that would be it.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:20

Um Garrett won't say his dogs are good, but legitimately, legitimately, like I because I understand, like, the only yellow dogs that I had seen before I went and hunted with Garrett, and now, you know, we hunt with Josh and uh Jonathan, and and they got some they got some good yellow dogs. But Garrett's yellow dogs were legitimately the first good yellow dogs that I had seen, you know. Uh, because we we in Georgia they're they're pretty watered down and you know, here too.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:54

They suck here.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:55

Yeah, I mean it's just like we we there weren't really a whole lot of good yellow dogs running around, and then we went and hunted with Garrett, and that was back when you had Rat and Maul, like and they were they were some really, really high quality dogs, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:15

Yeah, they were they were definitely something something that I try to make happen again, but I pr it probably won't ever happen again, you know. Just gonna try to get close to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:26

That's about the time I got into them uh myself was or actually found some that were pretty decent. Uh was during about that time too, Carter. Uh I had that one dog, Matt, and he was he was okay. He wasn't nothing great, but I mean he find a hog, but he was it was not the quality of what I have now. And and I've got some yellow dogs right now that'll they will go. But but like you said, they're just they were created here where we're where we live at, and this is the worst place to find any. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:02

You almost got you got you gotta bet people out on those nowadays. I mean, like you said, it's got so watered down, but it's not so watered down in terms of that they don't do nothing, it's just the style that we like. I mean, you want them to get out and hunt and get out from away from the street.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:14

No, these wouldn't do nothing.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:15

You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. And then you got people like I grew up in Florida, everybody was taking their yellow cur dogs and breeding their bulldogs, and that's how you get the Florida curd, you know what I'm saying? So, like that's that's what I grew up around, that style dog. But uh, like you said, you gotta you gotta bet people out and go hunting with them. That's one thing I mean Carter Harp on about going out and meeting new people is go bet these people out, go see their dogs, go see their dogs work, and there's there's there's better dogs than what you see 100%. Like what you're used to, there's way better dogs. Whether it's a hound, a cur dog, or anything like that, there's there's better dogs out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:47

There's uh there's always there's always better, and hunting with other people will humble you, but you gotta learn how to take it and learn from it. And uh not get butthurt about it, and not get butthurt about it. And a lot of people when they go talking about watering down dogs, they're breeding for speed and they're breeding for bottom and they're breeding for heart. But one thing you don't ever hear, you don't ever say I don't I don't think I've ever read it on Facebook is breeding for brains in a dog to figure it out, you know, when it when times do get hard, when them hogs are really smart and they're laying up, they're making making losses and laying up and just knowing things. Keeping good uh a dog with a good head on its shoulders. Oh sensibility.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

That is that is incredibly understated in the hog dog world. I've got a dog, he's uh he's about four years old, and uh he came off a carry bounds yard, and like in everything, in everything that you want from a dog, he does it. But he struggles with finishing the crap. Like like Joker, like you you cast that Joker, and he's gonna go find me. Like, he's gonna go get out there and go do it. And like Carrie ain't gonna he ain't gonna be mad that I say this, but he just like in terms of figuring out where that that boarhog hit that loop and lost him, he's not the best at. And you know, that that comes back to breeding the brains. When you've got something that's got a lot of fence and a lot of brains and gets beat by the same trick a few times, they're gonna get better and better at that, and then all of a sudden now that old hog ain't looping 'em no more. He is like he's caught, you know. That that dog that dog you got no scars for you, Spark. Yeah, no, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about scar, but I'm it's like he he a lot of times he'll get he'll get uh it like he'll go out there and strike and you know I guess I guess. It you know, he he's he's the one that's going out there deep and and maybe jumping the hog, but a lot of times this girl that's gonna find the hog just because she might she might be eight hundred yards away from him, but he'll strugg he'll stay out there and struggle and you know, and then she's the one that ends up baying him. It's just one of the things you then you must be impressed the other day when Waffle and him did good when they called that found a hog and then they relayed again. Oh no, I was impressed. That's the best he's ever looked. Yeah. That's why that's why I was wondering if you were talking about it. Like, I was like, damn, he did pretty good the other day. Yeah, no, but that that's that was I was hoping that that it was gonna be a turn of a new leaf for him. That wasn't that's not essentially common for him. Yeah. I was I was very excited when he did that. And then next time I took him, he did the same thing. He went out there and jumped the hog and ended up on the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:58

One of the coolest things I've seen when it comes to a dog remembering, remembering hogs and remembering how hogs are, my buddy Sam Mooneyham, who's got some really, really good dogs. He uh he's got one dog that uh he got from Rowdy, her name's Butter. And if you ain't Rowdy, Sam or Sam's family, he will eat you alive. You she is mean as can be. But you kick her out, and if she sees a falling down tree, she is gonna go check it. Every single tree. If it's falling down, she will check it. One day, I guess they date a hog in a fallen down tree and she ain't forgot it.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:42

If you're riding anywhere and there's a tree, she's gonna go check it. There might not be no sign for miles, but if she looks up and there's a tree, she's gonna go walk in it, around it, everything to make sure that a hog is not laid in that tree.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:56

Well, you better not bring her over to Georgia because we got a bunch of blowdowns everywhere. That we should be checking all day long. Yeah. That's funny. Well, good deal, Garrett, man. We like I said, we just wanted to we just wanted to get on in touch base with you and just get you on the horn and talk to you a little bit. Um I don't got any more questions for you. Joey or Joey Nathan or uh Carter's got any. Fine, feel free to shoot.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:19

But like I said, we appreciate your time, man. Getting on the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:23

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, we got one. You got you got I got a good closure question. What is your what's your favorite hog hunting story? I mean, you've been in it since you was knee-high to a grasshopper. There's gotta be one story or one hog that stands above the rest, and we'll we'll we'll end on that.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:46

I think it it could be a combination of uh of a bunch of different stories. The most fun I have is when you know you get a good group of buddies together and uh nothing is about competition and we're just all catching hogs, no matter whose dog did what, what dog did what. Hogs are getting caught, everybody's laughing, joking, uh not worried about not, you know, just just having fun. I can't really think of a story in particular. Yeah, yeah, here comes the bulls. That that day was fun. Hell, that I could probably talk about that, or I could talk about nights, summer nights, riding around getting eaten by mosquitoes. Mosquitoes being so bad, you can't talk. When you laugh, they fly in your throat. When you're tying hogs, they're eating you alive, but by God, you've you've caught 13 boar hogs over 200 pounds and you're soaking wet.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:50

Yeah, I'll I'll take the West Isle virus for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:54

Yeah. Yeah. I I'll just I I can talk about that one. Me and me and Rowdy one night, we just decided late, like, let's go hunt. You know, it just got done raining. Guys cleared up, going to hunt the ranch down there. And uh right off the bat at the truck, we kick dogs out to use the bathroom. They're bathed. Hogs probably got three inch teeth hanging out of both sides. We catch him. We're in the worst freaking rosebush thicket ever. Mosquitoes are eating us. I think the mosquitoes is what picked us up and carried us out of there.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:32

Actually, pterodactyls, boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:34

Yeah. But he he kind of kicked it off, and at every single them hogs around here, it's kind of a learned behavior because they don't do it everywhere, but they licked them syrup tubs. Well, every single syrup tub we kicked out on happened to be a big hog standing at it. Well, thankfully, me and Rowdy can handle our own because whoever got there first was the one tying, and whoever got there second was the one whooping mosquitoes off the other one. They were so bad, and it it was a nightfall. I got a video of Rowdy walking up and tailing a hog at a bay. The dogs had his attention pretty good. Uh, what I didn't get on video, what I'd have liked to is y'all, it probably could have been mistaken for a swordfish whenever we rowdy ropes this hog out of some water and he comes up there shaking his head like a freaking marlin out of the water. He was the he was probably the biggest hog of the night. We ain't got bulldogs. The light, all we have is our phone lights and uh you you can't hardly hear dogs bang because the mosquitoes are so bad getting in there. We thought they had the hog caught. They were just neck deep in water. But that's probably the night like that, getting eaten by mosquitoes, getting the buggy stuck, everything that could go wrong or or suck. Go wrong. Yeah. Just having a good time and not worrying about nothing else.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:07

Well, that's what it's about, man. It's the camaraderie and having a good time. And if you can't have a good time where you're out there, then why the hell you doing it? You know, everything ain't gotta be a competition. Obviously, they do have competitions out there, but everything ain't all the competitions 24-7.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:19

You know, but it ain't it ain't never that serious.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:21

Yeah. Yeah. Well, good deal, brother. Good deal. I'm gonna call down that ranch and make sure y'all have permission to hunt down there. I'm gonna make sure that happens too.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:32

Uh oh yeah, I'll give her, I'll give you her number if you can call her.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:37

Yeah. Oh, good deal, brother. Well, like I said, we appre we appreciate you, man. Having taking your time overnight and give us a call. Uh Carl, y'all got anything? No, I'm good, man. Gotta get out there in that dark grass.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:53

Yeah, now we just gotta get hey, right now the grass is pretty dark. I might, after talking to y'all, I might have to go hunting.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:00

You might have to, brother. You never know.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:04

But all right. Well, I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:09

Hold on. Y'all still y'all still work. Yeah, I got the damn the damn thing ended. Hold on. I think so. I don't know what happened. It sounds great to me though. Hold on. I shut it off. I'm calling it right now. Yeah, you literally's like, is it over? Hey, y'all good? Y'all good. Can you hear me? Can y'all hear me?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:34

I don't know what are you doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:35

I I'm so I'm sorry, my dad. I walk I walked in and lost service. Ryan said y'all. GP said hi.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:46

It was dumb.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:50

We appreciate you, man, taking your time out. I didn't I walked back inside and damn got centered onto the fire standing and cut the service out. Um say that shit. Uh but like I said, we appreciate you, man. Uh taking your time, get on the showtime podcast with all of us and tell some lies and just have a good time, man. That's what it's all about. Well, like I said, you guys got anything to close out, Carter? Car, you're gonna do the clos, you're gonna do the closing, cuz. I gotta do the closing. Yeah, you're doing a closing. Well, uh, we appreciate Garrett coming on, and uh, we appreciate everybody that's gonna listen to this, and uh we appreciate the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and uh all the opportunities that he gives us and through the good times and the dark times. And uh we we really appreciate uh good friendship and camaraderie and uh giving us the opportunity to run dogs, and uh we couldn't be more thankful for for everything that we've been blessed with. We thank we've let thank him for this opportunity to get on this podcast and talk about dogs and the things that we love, and uh we thank GP for coming on, and uh we look forward to doing a lot more in the future, and maybe we'll get old uh Rowdy and uh Cody done on there in a live. We gotta do that one live, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:20

Yeah, we'll have to do that whenever y'all come down and come hunt, or we come over there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:25

We'll have to do that one live. We we appreciate you coming on, GP, and uh we're we're thankful for you, brother. And you keep running them bay dogs.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:37

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:39

You're pissing everybody off, man. She's pissing everybody off with them bay dogs, brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:44

Oh, yeah, for sure. They're listening to you right now, wondering who they pissed off.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:50

Hey, there's gonna be 10 people pissed off that they're pissed off.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:56

Yeah, sometimes I think they don't really know what they're mad about. Yeah, they're just mad, they're just mad because some I mean, you're catching hogs and they're not catching hogs this time. I don't really know.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:06

Yeah, well, it in closing, don't be mad if you don't know what you're mad about. Yeah. Yeah, the shoe fits.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:16

Open-mindedness is a wonderful thing that not many people have anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:22

That's true. That's exactly right, brother. That's true. Well, good deal. But we appreciate you coming on, brother, and uh we'll we'll uh we'll have to catch up with you here soon. Yes, sir. Well, go catch it all, brother. We ain't gonna keep you no longer. All right, we'll see, GP. Bye bye.