EP. 1 Bobby Fiscus

In this episode we have on running dog man Mr. Bobby Fiscus. Running em hard in the National Forest, there ain't much they discriminate against. The introductory episode of the Ask Unkle Pat Show, there's not a better one to have!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey y'all, welcome to Uncle Pat. Ask Uncle Pat segment. Not really. Joey's right there. Today we're gonna talk about summer patterns and flood patterns. And I got a special guest, Mr. Bobby Sisters, on here. And he's gonna tell us about his doing. And uh if y'all have any questions, y'all can send them to my team. If I can't answer it, we'll get you an answer. We won't do we won't do no educated guessing on here because we don't have no education.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Y'all been working hard, Joey? Brother, we literally just got home. And uh, you know, it's just normal, everyday kind of deal. We need to need to work longer if we can, because we're we're one of those, we're a couple of those guys that we try to work as hard as we can for as short a period of time as possible. That way we can jack around for as long a period of time as possible. Oh, I know, right? I stack we try to stack it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

I just pulled yeah. I quit a perfectly good job, came back up here, work a hundred and something days, and they come in, I was asleep working night and let us all go. Yeah, I felt like Craig and Day Day took a third of my time off. Mm-mm. But uh they thought I was gonna be unhappy about it, but I stuck all that money back, so I'm good for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

There you go, buddy. There you go. Ain't no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Hey Mr. Bobby, you went hunting today? Tell us about your trip today.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

We went, man, every everything we got around here is flooded from that big rain we had, I guess it was Monday. And uh, I guess it's got all the hogs pushed up on high ground somewhere. They uh we hunt a lot of national forests here. We live in Sabine County and we got Sabine National Forest and pretty good, pretty good big blocks of woods. Uh we rode for we got one dirt road down there in the middle of 16,000 acres, and it's about six miles of road, and we found one hog track on it. Uh man, we we run everything else in the woods this morning. We didn't take nothing but puppies today. Uh we run some deer. I wouldn't say we treat a queen, but we hung one out. Close enough. Found a oh my boy went and found one of the dogs with his head stuck in a hole. He said, they found a armadiller and I got him back in the chunk and I got smelling in my smell of skunk. That's probably what was in that hole, but I'm pretty sure it was a fox. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

Sometimes, oh red stuff, this fox skunk.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yeah, it wasn't real, real strong like a skunk. That's why I figured it was a fox.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Now, now, not to take anything away from them peanut pillboards and oak pill boys, cornfield boys and all that. That's all that takes a whole nother type of dog. When you tell me to a man that runs national farms, that's 16,000 acres with one road in it, that's six miles long. Now that's gonna be a man that's got them long range, dogs. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Oh you can take a goddamn German shepherd in a lab and hunt him up a little bit and pet dogs in South Texas. You can catch all peanut people and corporate. I'm right, we have some pissed off people, but I'm just telling it like it is.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Well, Pat, you started out real good with You started out so good.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

I know, I can't help it. When you when you when you hit these pine things you know, tall as a Georgia pine, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

And they want hog track and six miles. That's probably better to be a hog dog, you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

It sounds like it really just sounds like you went hunting with us. That's about the gist of it.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

Well, ain't a puppy, they ain't a dog that we brought today that's over 11 months old. Mm-hmm. So, but I'm two of two of them dogs come off the come off the patch yard. I think we run five of them today, and man, they they put some miles in today.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

I I can't get Pat to sell me a dog or nothing. I've been trying, been trying for years.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

We got between me and my boy, and when they when you hear me talk, it's going I'm uh it's always gonna be we, and that's gonna be me and my son. We uh we pretty much share each other's dogs, you know. Uh but I'm my boy owns that little yellow gyp that he got from from Pat, and I got a little spotted one. Well, I say a little one. Mine's twice the size of his, but they let them make that little yellow gip is is hard to beat.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

I like him yellow dogs.

SPEAKER_04 5:34

But uh yeah, you should you you gotta have some some some casting dogs and something that's gonna go out there and find one, you know. But we run two kinds of dogs, really. I gotta I got a dog that don't do nothing but run the road. And my philosophy is, you know, you you you head down a road and you're going somewhere, you know. You you go into where you know that there's been hog sign or whatever, you're gonna go cast your dogs down there, but I can dump that dog at the road whenever I turn in on it and and catch five hogs between here and where I'm going, you know. People don't a lot of people don't think about that.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

But he don't he don't cast, he just he wins only. But he's sure good.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

See, see, it's it don't have to it don't hurt to have a box full of diverse uh I guess you do like a box full of Christmas ranking, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 6:29

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

That's just that's just the way it is. But I see y'all caught a hog the other night, Joey.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Well, we don't we know we normally don't tell anybody. And uh I got I've been posting the same one for about six months now, and I think people are kind of catching on to it. So we had to, you know, we had to do something, you know. Oh yeah. No, they get I'll be honest with you, Pat up, we try not to to to put our hands on a whole lot of them anymore. Um bigger hogs now, you know. It's it's the only way that we can manage them legally here. But yeah, we've we've been catching a few. Um and we've been running hounds. Like, I mean, a lot of and honestly, of course I've got a couple, but some of them boys are running just over. There's a red bone that's been in the mix, a couple of plots, uh, and they all suck. But that then there then there's a couple of walker dogs that really they really tied up, you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

I think uh I think old partner there we probably do. I think he's got a good plot of uh bike down there.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Oh yeah. Well those ones we the ones that we just got up here, they just they just I don't know. They can't they don't hang in there. And I know there's good I know there's good plots and I've had some. But like like I said, the ones that the ones that we're getting here lately are just out of pre stock. And they're they're really they're not like Mike stuff. You know.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Yeah. They got a lot of loose skins.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah, they're they're all big, yeah, big floppy. I don't know. They look like a wound dog, you know. That's what it looks like.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

But uh no, I I've I've seen a few uh mister Mr. Bobby, do you know Jason Fowl? Manuscript. I know some fouls. His dad's name was Van, I believe. Where where is he from around here? He hunts over in uh Saving River bottoms is all I know. He lives he lives out there in Texas, in East Texas, and uh he had some plots and he had some very, very fast ones. I mean they were if I you know that that's it that would be my that'd be my style if I was gonna have I didn't know if you were familiar with you.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

No, I I mean I when you say Sabine River bottom, so I live on I live where far more late Oh yeah. Uh no, I I don't I know some souths, I know quite a few souths, but uh I don't know that name. I got you. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

I don't I don't know if y'all noticed the top the damn woods is hot.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Mm-hmm. Yeah, they uh it's defin it's definitely humid and hot here. I'm sure it's worse down there where y'all are at.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Oh, I don't know if it's worse.

SPEAKER_04 9:37

I don't know about y'all, but the pick is horrible around here.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Probably the worst year I've seen, honestly. It's pretty dead gum bad. Pretty damn bad. So what on just talking about them dogs you got there from Pat. Tell us, tell us. Um I'm kind of curious about that. I want to I want to know more about them some of them uh them looting dogs. What you what do you got, what you working with?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

They out of uh, I don't know, Pat probably had to help me out on what they out of. They uh got they they they two litter mate know they got some walker in them. Uh I I think I seen their mama when I was up there at his house the other day. What's that? See that that leopard, that blue leopard dip you got over there?

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Yeah. They off a Conan.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

That's why they they they red or yellow, but it's like a two-like yellow, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It ain't a black mouth yellow.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

Yeah. I got you. Yeah, that the male I got out of him, he's he's left, he's a blue leopard with tan legs and tan face, and he's uh he's twice the size of his sister. She's about 30 pounds and fast as lightning. And my boy, you know, like I said, he's got the yellow one. And uh we had started him a little bit, and he said, I don't think she's ever gonna grow. And I said, Yeah, she might not, but run her anyway. And he said, Man, she's too little, she's too little. And man, the first time we ever got to really run her, and she stuck out there with them big dogs and went and bathed with them, and and she's been on ever since. And as a matter of fact, I told Pat earlier, today's the first day we've ever had her run anything but a hog. But like I said, we we riding down miles of dirt road and can't find the one hog checking, I get just getting bored.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah, there wasn't no hogs there for her to run. That's uh you know, I I've run into that and you know, doing this podcast and stuff. I've talked to people and And they'll get all pissed off and being out of shape because their dogs run trash or off-game, whatever you want to call it. But at the same time, it's like, is your dog really trashing? Because in our in our our scenarios, mine's a lot like yours. We might ride all day long and find one track or a couple of tracks, period, and it's gonna be on 30,000 acres. And we don't know where that rascal's at and it ain't spread. And so if them dogs do jump something else, I mean, hell, I ain't mad at them. But now if if they're spread tall tracks all over the place and and they're tall running across the road and they're starting to run at something else, yeah, then we're gonna have a problem. You know. Which I mean, I I say we're gonna have a problem. The problem is I've got to figure out how to get out of there with all that stuff that we're gonna. I I don't really discriminate a whole lot, but you know, that there's I think there's a lot of guys they get they get up out of out of hand on it because you know they they think their dog is really running trash. No, that dog is just running. He don't know it's trash, he's just running.

SPEAKER_04 12:51

That's right, especially with these puppies. I mean, I don't care what they run. I I as long as they hunting, you know. Well, they're gonna get to a certain point where I'm gonna clean them up. But right now, especially with you know, I I don't get to hunt. I get to hunt a lot more than I used to, but I don't get to hunt a whole lot with work and and all that. So I'm taking dogs two or three times a week and they getting out from under my feet, and they ain't none of them a year old yet. I I I don't care what they're running right now, and just as long as they're running. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

Now, now now that's a profound statement he said. What did he what did he say? He said, I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get to it one day, but I ain't gonna get to it today. I'm gonna let them run.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

If people would do that, they would have better dogs.

SPEAKER_04 13:54

I told my son the other day, and I don't know if this makes any sense to y'all, but I think the hogs that you don't catch makes the dogs better. And uh, you know, he he he wants to get a little aggravated sometimes if a if a bulldog misses or something like that. But I mean imagine how much more work that dog's getting when when I have to retrail him up or or stay with him until they stop him again or or whatever. I I've caught plenty of hogs in my life. I'm I'm I'm more about watching them dogs and and making them dogs work now.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Well any any yeah, any champion will tell you that they're paid by their failures. You ain't made by your profession. Your professors just make you crap. Your failures make you back up and learn and do a stuff different thing. That dog ain't no different. He don't take that all too. That's all we're gonna start thinking a little bit different. He's gonna be thinking, I'm gonna have to do something. How about what the break?

SPEAKER_04 15:03

That's right. They learn something every time. That's what that's what I was just telling you the other day about that young dog that I I got a dog over here, a patch right now that I'm trying to breed my that dog I was talking about that runs the roads. I mean, I've caught so many hogs with that dog, and he don't hunt the way that I want him to hunt. He he don't. I I mean, but I love him. I mean, he he he produces so many hogs for me, but he's he's three years old and covered in scars, but you won't find him cut today. He's learned something from every one of them, and every time, every time they learn, like I said, you learn more from the hogs you don't catch than the ones you do.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

Hey, just because he ain't catching them, that's what people don't understand. They won't get out of the dog's way, they get something in their mind, and when it ain't what they had in mind, it's wrong, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

So I don't if I go to the pitch join station, you know, I may be looking for something tall and thin. But if a little chunkie bird comes by looking good with a dough book in her pocket, I will go ugly early. You know what I'm saying? It ain't what I had to find, but uh I still got talk, you know what I'm saying? And that's that's the way it goes, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

It really is. It uh I like you said, I think people get in the way, and I've been I've been I've been guilty of it plenty of times. And you you just let them let them be a dog, let them do their thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Yes, sir. The the the worst the worst thing a dog in the in the whole dog industry is preconceived notions.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

We we want you just when you get, you know, I didn't know I was coon hunting the other night because of second three.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Yes, that's what I was gonna say. We get wrapped up in what we want.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Man Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

No, that no, it's a it's a hundred percent just exactly what you said that uh there's a a a guy that we hunt with or hunts with us, whatever we hunt together sometimes. Oh uh young guy named Pineapple, and he's got this little old walker dog, old train walker jib. And man, we I carried him to one of my spots, and them hogs just they're gonna run all day. You gotta have something with the bottom. Well, he got over in one spot and he said, uh, well, I think she didn't done give out. It done got on up in the day and it was getting hot, you know, of course, and all that good guy. Man, we went over there, he drives in too close, breaks the hogs. She had two more hogs bait, and they run across the road. And he was like, Man, she ain't never ran that long and that, you know, and stayed gone that that long. I told him, I said, Well, she might be bait over there. He said, No, she done got tired. Well, in his mind, because of other times it's happened with other dogs, that preconceived notion, well, he drove in and broke two good boroughs. Yeah. And if he had just, you know, if he'd have let the dog be a dog, and and and been, and if he'd have just said, hey, I'm gonna trust this dog, he would have come out a whole lot better shape. But he learned he learned something there, his dog learned something there, you know. So the hog we he didn't catch, he actually learned a lot more on.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's why I wanted Mr. David on here. He's pretty sharp.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Mm-hmm. I'll fix that decent little thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

So I'm trying to trade. Do y'all do y'all hear some kind of little sound? It's a notification on my phone, I think. It sounds like a I can't have here know how to need it. Well, this we got an air conditioner, it kicks on and off. And and sometimes you, you know, it it gets a little loud or whatever, but when Nathan runs it through the thing, it it cleans it all up. But no, I just them boys have got it, they're on Snapchat and they've got hog pictures coming in, and they're all doing their their pig porn or something. I don't know what they're doing. They're getting all fired up, ready to go this weekend. Act like we ain't never caught a pig.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

I know it. You know I got me a new light.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

I don't know what kind it is.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Was it $200, $300, or $400?

SPEAKER_03 19:50

$400.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

To kill a four cent coup. Mm-hmm. Makes no goddamn sense. No. It don't. So, so Cassie wanted to go hunting. I was like, well, come on, let's go. And uh, boy, I got my little high on and everything, you know. And we get down there and the second tree, I said, Boy, I got some good poon sauce on the but it's that summer pattern. There ain't no acrons on the ground. You know, I live in a bottom, ain't no pine trees. Oh and most of it's flooded. Like our guest said right there. It uh Mr. Bobby. It uh they ain't in them bottoms right now, they up in them hills.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Yeah, they don't now where you where you live at, Pat, it's it's more flat, ain't it?

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Uh it's heels.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

You do have hills there.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Okay it ain't no in between. It's same about the same thing where Bobby lives over there.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Okay. Well, Mr. Bobby. Yeah, we don't live about 30 minutes from each other. Okay, I speak nice. That's what I was gonna ask. How close was you to Pat? That uh so you you've been knowing Pat a long time, huh?

SPEAKER_04 21:20

Uh no, not really. Oh, well that's good. Oh no. This we got them them puppies from me.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Shit. Probably about a year. Well, that's good. Once you get to know him, you'll you have a different opinion. Oh man. How'd you get into all the hunting stuff? How'd you get into running hogs? How long you been doing it?

SPEAKER_04 21:44

Well, all in all, I've you know, I've I've done it since, you know, late teens, early twenties, and I had bone dogs. I've always run squirrel dogs or tree dogs when I was a kid. Uh And then just kind of migrated over into the Hog Dogs and uh hunted with some buddies of mine when I was younger, and then of course like everybody else, just started acquiring my own dogs and built me a pretty good pack and and bred that pack. And uh I worked on the road, I worked in refineries for 21 years of my life. And, you know, at first when I go work a job and get laid off and go back to work when you want to go back to work. And I did that for a pretty good while, so I was able to maintain my dogs, you know, and keep them in the woods enough to hunt. But in the last five or six years of my career, I I signed a contract with them and went on salary, and that means you go when and where they say go, you know, whenever. And so I stayed gone way too much, and and I let the dogs that I had go. And and my son, you know, he he was coming up of age to get his own dogs. And I finally, when I felt he was responsible enough to keep them, I let him, I didn't have any at this time, and I let him start getting some, and he built him up a pretty good pack, and so then I got the fever again, so now I'm back here building me up a pack again. So now it's me and him together now. We you know, we breed back and forth and and hunt with each other every time we go. I gotcha. So that's that's where I how I started and where I am now. I I don't have the dog currently that I had, you know, when I when I left for for five, six years and was gone for I mean, that one year I think I was home 11 days out of the year. Oh lord. Uh you know, and I worked all over the country. Canada to Washington State. Uh I mean, all all over. Uh so I didn't I didn't have any of my own then, but I'm rebuilding now.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

What what kind of dogs did you have before?

SPEAKER_04 24:00

Mainly mainly I always liked plot curd crosses.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

Uh that's really what I had. I had a I had a straight clot. It was really good dog, but way too long range for me. Uh and I bred off of him and and uh I had a little mountain cur gif, but uh my other ones was was plot curd crosses, and that was my main dog's there was them, but uh that's that's where my heart lies still today is with that plot cur cross. I ain't saying there ain't nothing better for sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

No, I I've seen quite a few of them that's good that's good as dogs I've ever seen. They were plot curd crosses. There's one right now. A young guy's got that hunts with us, he's dated my niece, and that little that damn little dog there, it she is really young, and she is really, really good.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

I mean uh best so much as I ever own was flight across the Well this dog is actually out of some stuff down y'all's way, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Uh I'm trying to think of that guy's name. Well, uh Dustin. Ain't that his name? The guy with the uh his handicapped Pat. Dustin, yeah. Yeah, Dustin. Uh, and then another guy named Shy. They call him Shy. Yeah. Yeah, Papa, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well it's this out of their stuff. Uh this this this boy this boy moved up here. Ask Dustin where it comes from. Oh, I I yeah, I I well I told the boy when I cleaned the dog, hey, that's that picture of that little old gip I sent you that standing on the toolbox uh a few weeks ago. Yeah, dude. Yeah, I showed her a pig right here at the house, and he put her on a couple of easy ones at a spot, and then she they really wasn't casting. I said, Well, bring her with me. I put her with white boy Rick and Keaton. And she didn't need no help. Hell, she once she got out there a little bit, she broke off, and man, she ran and run and run. It was it was a little tough on her at first, but you know, all these hills and mountains and trying to adjust from, but after about two hunts, she she's a mountain dog now.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

I'm I'm gonna tell you right now, Gus and this lie ain't no joke, but you go down there, you better have some shit in the box.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Mm-hmm. Oh, if it I I'm telling you, this this little gip, like I said, she's young. But you better, it's it's just like you said, if if this reflects what they've got, yeah, they got it. You know.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

I I had a little old gip, it looked just like uh just like her. And uh he was half uh hurdle, half she lied. He didn't show no damn curdle. And that hole crossed the road. And that tip cross and then the guy pulled up there and running two clock and saying they got out and said, I'm running a hog. I said, I can't even throw it already. I said, That's why we bring that. And he popped out We caught that hog and flock from that bag, that gonna come around, let him play it. That girl Justin put out a checkbook, he wrote it until I picked it up. I didn't really want to get rid of it. And he calls her fat. Yeah. But but he wasn't saying him and flying them, they took it to another level since then. You see what I'm saying? I mean, it ain't just me. They they took that and added it to what they had and made it better. Just like my sister Bobby's trying to do that. He's he's adding to it, trying to make it better.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Well, that that was another question I was gonna ask y'all is, you know, what are you what are you adding or what are you taking away uh when you're doing these breedings with the like the plot and curves or whether it's a July and occur or whatever, uh the Hound cur cross is because there's a lot of young guys right now that are new to the to the hunting, and they're wanting to get these type dogs, but they don't understand why that dog works or or why that that F1 cross is so special.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

Wow, man, it's just first things first, it's gotta come out of dogs that run the cat, not run the foot. You know, so once you understand that, it's pretty damn easy from then on. What do you think, Bobby?

SPEAKER_04 29:23

That's that's that's right. I I mean, and it all goes to the to the line of dog, too. I mean, you're you're talking about a plot current cross, but you're not necessarily talking about a this line plot and this line cur. I mean, yeah, you you follow the lines because it works the way you want it to. I mean, I've had good luck out of them by U Cajun plot. Uh, you know, I'm I'm trying to to make it better with breeding them into the curve. That's been my objective from from the start. I I try the dogs, the dogs work the way that the dog is supposed to work or the or to my liking, you know, and and but it's it's not exactly what I want, you know. So to breed into to cross them into the curves to try to get towards what I want, you know, and and working them together is, you know, when I first got them dogs from from Mr. Mike, uh when me and my boy first got them, they they could start a track. My cur dogs couldn't start, but my cur dogs would take, they would heat it up for them, and my cur dogs would take it from them, and they they'd be at the bay, they'd just be a there a little later. And so if you can cross into if you've got a set of cur dogs that run in bay the way that you want them to, and you gotta uh and them plots, don't get me wrong, they run the catch, that's for sure. Uh it just it it takes them a little bit longer to get there than them curdogs, and I'm trying to bet it to add to the both, take take the best of both worlds there.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

So the speed, you would would you say it's the speed that they run physically or the speed that they're moving the track?

SPEAKER_04 31:04

I I think it's it's me because I I watched when I first had that that first puppy summer, I watched her run a deer. Uh I say that. I he pushed that deer across the road two or three times and right by a fella in a deer stand. And I I I he was either cussing me or or clapping when they come by there because uh but he he was a he was a damn nice buck too. And I didn't have no gun with me, but uh there was a fella in there deer hunting, and I watched her run right by where I knew he was at. But uh anyway, she he was running with her head up. She wasn't, you know, she wasn't sucking leaves off the ground. But I think it's just now I will say she was she was young, she was probably not even a year old, but I mean you could tell she was drifting that track because where the deer crossed the road, I watched him do it. Where he came across the road, you know, she was 50 yards back the other side of his track, but I think it's just that she didn't have the physical speed. Okay. Not because of the way she was running the track. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

Yeah, you you said another profound fake 50 track. That's one thing tracking on hero needs them to do, especially a good run. That's why you're like people say you can't tell that dog running the bug. Hell I can't. He's talking twice as much because he's telling dwise as good, goddamn it. I mean, I do and a boar hog, you know, everybody can't run a bar hog. But anything ought to be able to run a boarhog. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Oh yeah. Yep. Yeah, I I agree on that. Uh and and the reason I ask these things is there's a a friend of mine, and he's a plot guy, and he's he's made a little fuss on Facebook about some stuff. Uh and that's what he's talking about, the speed. Um you know, and so he's like, man, he just really gotta do gotta do something, you know. Uh and and and I get it because he hunts, and and you probably understand it and appreciate it a lot more, Mr. Bobby, because uh some people are kind of spooled to to have a place where they got good road systems. They can just run over here and cut this block off and pack to pack to them or or or or whatever. And then you got places like like we got where there ain't but one or two boar hogs on the whole damn property and there ain't but one road to get in. There ain't no riding around roads. And uh we just gotta run until he stops. And and it's so thick in places where uh the dog is only running four or five miles an hour at the most. So that hog is just staying ahead of him trotting. They can't blow his lungs out. You know, now if they get if he ever makes a mistake and he gets in the open, we got him. Like, I mean, that that's how it works for us. If if he comes across a field or he gets in some open wood, his ass is done. But if they don't fix stuff, he'll give us a fix.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

And a lot of it finds to be almost the opposite.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

And a lot of it is like we got when I say thick stuff, I have to kind of revert that because it's not like a regular just cut over because we're in the mountains. Like they might have a whole hillside cut, and then they take all their craft basically, the glass pile, and they throw it in a ravine, and they all hit it and literally go up under all the trees in the brush, and the dogs are trying to fight and go over it. And they just get they get hung, you know, they just get out running. And it goes on for hours. It's the same thing in Georgia where Raul lives at. And get on some of them property, and me and him were talking a while back, and he said, Well, I've just never had hogs run like that. Well, now he's got a place, and that's how they do. He's like, Man, I ain't never seen where you run 30 miles. I was like, That's pretty common here. If if we can't like I the the one one of my main dogs out there, if if he can't run 50 miles in a heat, then he's probably not gonna make it. And he's got to be pushing as hard as he can. And that doesn't mean he's running 30 miles an hour the whole time. But he's going as fast as he can wherever he's at. But I I think a lot of people just get uh like you said, some of these guys have places they ride around, there's hog standing right on the side of the road. That to me, that you know, ain't near as hard as if you only got one track on the whole place.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Yeah, I ain't I ain't hating on nobody like that. No, no, not a week.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

I wish I had it.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Yeah, shit, yeah, but I mean, if if you're gonna make a dog, you gotta go where it ain't no hogs and catch a hog. Mm-hmm. But the place that you're talking about, give me that 30, give me that 30-pound female. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

Yep. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Well, that's every time in these woods, give me that 30-pound female.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Well, that little sweetie dog I was talking about, she weighs about 35 pounds. And she is showboating. I'm telling you, like, old Rick, he can get it going. He'll go out there and he'd strike it like a like a damn cold bloodhound. Both sweetie should just go right between his legs and get in there like a rabbit. It's over. I mean, yeah, and so you already know what I'm thinking. Oh, you already know where I'm going. Uh but at the same time it uh I do like I do like the challenge of it. And you know, so it but like where we're at, we it's hard for us to get to even get one started like puppies, because we can't we're not allowed to have a live hog here. So right. Well in that kind of environment, they're they ain't got no choice but to cast. Because if they won't get out from under your feet, they ain't gonna find nothing. Because we ain't we ain't got nothing we can give them. Right. They're gonna figure it out. So, you know, that's another obstacle there. So I I think in in th those type areas, like you were saying, hard hogs make make good dogs. That's right. So how how do y'all start y'all's puppies, Mr. Bob? Y'all young dogs you talking about.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

We we try to stay with them dogs that start themselves, to tell you the truth. But uh there you go.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

We uh we say I agree. We uh we like them some bitches that don't take ether. That's we're saying you ain't gotta get out there and wind that tail up, do you? You get behind them on the hold that collar and twist that tail and get them some bitches pointed in the right direction.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

You ain't no Bobby growing, you ain't no Bobby growing. He said, I don't think what that kid is.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

That's what's how we all somebody said, Well, how do y'all start your puppies? I said, Well, usually we just crank them up. That's how we start them. We just crank them up and get out of the way, boys.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

I mean, we uh we'll go ahead. We give them an idea of what we want out of them, but we don't we don't do very much of that putting them in a pen and and and you know we we let them see what's out there and uh we basically just take them with with older dogs that are already doing it, and and uh, but we don't keep them with them, try not to keep them with them very long. I that's a that little yellow dog, you're gonna hear me talk about him a lot. And and and even though I don't like him, I love him. He uh he uh for the first now, I I mean I knew the dog had a lot of potential from the time he was six, seven months old. I mean, he ran and bait, found it by himself and run that hog for hours, stopped him, stopped him once with another, with another older cur dog, and the bulldog missed. We had a little bitty bulldog, he didn't miss actually. He got swung off. And uh they stopped him again and bait him, and we sent another bulldog to him and ended up catching him. He was a about a 310-pound bar hog. And that was when that puppy was was seven months old. And but my son's got a got a uh slot curved cross and Trixie that uh he's always run behind, and he'll run with her step for step, you know. But he don't cast on his own and he still won't. He like I said, he runs, he wins off the road, that's all he does. But he wouldn't do that until Trixie got cut down. Trixie got cut down this year and he's been gone most of this year. And since he's been gone this year, he's really, I mean, like he got out from behind her and he's making hogs nearly every time you take them.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Ain't that funny how a dog will play second fiddle? And you and you wondered why he just never the bellows, never the bellows and got three years old, and he just kind of me too, me too, me too. And something happens one day and you can't take that lead dog, and that somebody shows out and ends up within three hundred being better than the lead dog.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

Now, fire pat.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Man, that's one of them deals there. Old Rodney Bill, his old Sally dog has always been the number one dog. Well, Sally got cut down. I lost two of my main dogs all in the same night. So we had one of my dogs that was like a third, third or fourth line, and then Rodney had midnight and and a couple of puppies. Well, I told him, I said, Well, we're gonna turn her loose. He said, Well, she ain't gonna go. And she didn't want to at first, but we put her in the hogs. She found her boar hog, she made it, done a good job. And after that, I don't know that I've ever hunted with a dog that was much better because she made a hog every time we turn her loose. Didn't matter how far. She just laid back, and and then when it was her time to shine, my God, she shined.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

That's that's why I always say hunt these dogs by themselves as much as you can. Or just with one other, you know, wick them up. Wick them up because they'll, hey, look, now, I'll lay up on the song bitch if I hit it.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

It's not it, brother. I gotta go get her like like four o'clock at the door now with them, put the dog boys on the shit. I'll let that stomach that he can't go. Okay, let's get him a pole. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 42:30

That damn old dog is saying white. You know, that's I got a hot track. Then I go off on my own. I get solo.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

So you talking about running one dog at a or hunting a dog by itself. I I've got where I try to hunt one dog, no more than two, no more than two dogs at any time of mine. And um, I I don't know, like you said, it it really changed up. I really could see which dogs are doing what.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

You know, uh that's the only way you're gonna know what you got.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Yeah. How do you feel about that, Mr. Bob? You you hunt one or two dogs, you hunt a big pack, or no, I I we try to stay with no more than three dogs on the ground at a time.

SPEAKER_04 43:24

I got you. Uh and and like with these, you you got an older dog that that's doing it real good, and you've got a an up and comer coming behind him, and you can you can kind of watch them and see when they're wanting to get out from behind that other dog. And that this is all things that I've just learned in the past. See, I've been home off the road now for oh seven years, and I've for the past close to four years now is when I've gotten back into it. I've learned more in these past four years just by being able to be with them dogs all the time. And you just kind of watch the ones that are coming up behind us. And when they're ready to pull that other dog out of their way. And then whenever I do that, I try to get another one up behind that one. You know, even if it's early. Even if that dog ain't finding his own or ain't running a track just like I like, I I, you know, you just gotta keep staggering them in there. I mean, that's that's my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

Them dogs will talk to you. If you, I mean, you ain't if you can't sit back and read your dogs like what Bobby's talking about. Y'all, y'all really think about it and watch the dog and be bullshit with them idiots running around that that already know everything. Because that hound will train you just like you train them out.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

I still learn these things with some bitches I got running loose here and had hoes and bullshit. And I still learn from them every day. They always pulling some kind of bull shit around here, you know. Hey, if you can't like if you can't learn from the same lad, bud, you in a mind, bud.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Lord mercy. No, that's uh you know, I I just I feel like the a lot of the stuff gets misconstrued now that we got the social media stuff is so big and and I'm I'm on there all the time too. But uh I think a lot of them guys get caught up in, you know, just worried about taking a picture instead of worried about what the dog's doing.

unknown 45:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

And and they they culling some good dogs, and a lot of them are messing up good dogs. Uh you you gotta just let them do their thing. I mean, I can't say it enough.

SPEAKER_04 45:58

Did y'all see that post? I don't remember who posted it the other day. Somebody posted it had a uh I think they was a coon hunter, but they they posed the question about the $1,500 puppy or the $50 puppy, which one's better. Uh I don't know if y'all seen it or not, but I I got on there and commented on it. Just my opinion of it is, you know, I've got, don't get me wrong, I've I've paid money for dogs and turned out to be good dogs, and I've I've had dogs given to me for free that's turned out to be good dogs, and it's a mixed bag of both. But I will say, them free dogs, it seems like they end up being your better dogs because the mentality that you have is, well, he was free. If he makes it, okay. If he don't, no skin off my back. So you don't, you don't, you you go and pay five hundred dollars for a puppy and you're expecting a miracle because you want a return on your investment, and you put all your effort into that dog, and and and and that other dog is over there just being a dog because you're not worried about him. And a lot of times I think that you can put too much effort. That's why it goes back to where I say in the try to stick with them dogs that start themselves, you putting too much effort into it, you're taking something away from that dog.

SPEAKER_03 47:16

Oh, you in his way, you in his way, ain't no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

I I mean that that yellow dog that I talk so highly of, he I can tell you, he's not gonna hunt any other way than the way he hunts, but he's the best version of himself, and and that's all I can ask for.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

I mean That's right.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Uh the ones that the ones that you're trying to to correct and and direct and and all of that, uh, you know, I I I think you're taking something away from them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

I agree. I I'm I've paid the same thing, like you said, I've paid a lot of money for for pups and and I've had a bunch of free ones. And I mean, I I've got my own thing that I've I think some of us come into a a point in life where we're like, okay, well, we kind of want to make what we want. And therefore, you know, it might involve a very expensive breed and a line of dogs, and we might be crossing it to a to that $50 puppy. You know, but it's also who hands it. You you can I think look at the other side of it too, Mr. Bob, too, because you can take a $1,500 puppy and put it in the the hands of a true dog man and a true true handler, and a true hunter, and make and make a dog. And you can do the same thing with a $50 puppy. Or you put it in the hands of a dumbass, and it don't matter how much it costs, it just ain't gonna do it. Or they're gonna hold it back, or they're gonna get in its way, or they're gonna train that dog to hunt.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

You know, you know, the more you pay for a dog, the more you're gonna worry about it.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

Oh, Lord have mercy. You give $2,000 perfectly.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Hey my God, look at here. Yeah. What's the first thing the Bible tells you God to do? Don't worry. Mm-hmm. You're going straight against the word of God, man, when you're worried about a kidding dog, man.

unknown 49:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

That's a good good one, Pat.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

I mean, didn't God give us dominion over everything that creeps on the earth? Yes, sir. Well, by God, he gives us dominion over a dog. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about him, he's gonna do better. Hey, you get hey, if you're sitting on a horse's back, not no plug. I'm talking about a showing up performance horse. And you start worrying about something, you feel something, you'll feel that damn horse. He'll hump up a little bit. He'll feel it, and he won't do it too. And y'all take it right down the leaf, Father. And don't worry about him, pass him. Turn him loose. Turn him loose. If you that worried about him, put him in the bed with you, like I got daisy up here.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

Yeah, I've quit worrying about mine, it don't matter what I paid for him or not, because if he ain't smart enough to stay alive, then do I really want to pass that on, you know? I mean, I don't know. I'm not saying that, I mean, none none of them are immune. Don't get me wrong. None of them are immune. That bad things can happen to all of them. They can be in a spot they can't get out of, you know. But but but you can you can turn the dog loose with confidence, just like I told y'all earlier. That me, that yellow dog of mine scarred all over him. And and but now I'm not worried about him a bit. I I mean, I'm not in a rush to get in there to him because I know he's learned and I know he's gonna do everything he can to not get in a bite.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

That's right. I'm the same way. Mama can't have another pet. He's been dead nine years. I gotta take care of this one. He's gonna take care of himself, and that's kind of that's what you want to breed for. Why would you want to preach for the somebody because it's too stupid, it's gonna get killed redundantly over and over and over.

unknown 51:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

People don't think. I've done been through that, and and I've had some of them mess with all them little yog terriers and them jags and patterds and all that stuff. Some of them had like they were just stupid. I mean, just stupid as hell. They run there wide open. I mean, they they love the violence. And that's a fine of the devil. Yeah, and that's okay, and I'll be honest with you, like if they'll talk about them pine thickets, they wouldn't nothing get away from them. Like, I mean, they was gonna have it eat, you know, but at the same time, hell I had to have 40 of them because I was burying one or two every damn week. You know, so it's like and and I've had people, you know, of course, they they want to tell us, you know, well, I can bring my I can bring my dog up there and I'll show you how to catch them. Well, come on, show me. Shit, I need somebody to.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Yeah, you know, but uh I'm all about I'm all about an education, you know. Lord is.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

And I and I know there's an altar got good one, but sir.

SPEAKER_04 52:47

Oh god, I I said all of it speaks to the intelligence of the dog. You know, in in in all aspects, you know. They how many times you see hogs bump the road and and and the dogs hang up right there at the road and can't figure out where he went. I mean, it takes an intelligent dog to not put himself in a bind. It takes an intelligent dog to try to work around and find where that track went. It's all about whether the dog's got a brain or not, or he's just out there running through the woods like a like a a heathen.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Yeah. That's right. I've seen a lot of them get lost right there, like you're talking about. Uh, we had one come out the other night. He hit the edge of the road, went right down the edge of the road, went across, then shot right back across, and come back down the edge. He literally doubled back, you know. And boy, them poor old dogs, they would give him, they give him a fit for about five minutes. One of them went across the road, went about 40 yards, come back, and it was over then. He said, shit, he didn't go that way. He got it straightened out, went on about his business. That's what I want to have. That's what I want right there.

SPEAKER_03 53:58

Hey, what what about that dude? Yeah, what about that dude that posted that drone, that thermal video of that hog, and he had four dogs right on his ass, and he went that little old clump of shit. Mm-hmm. And them dogs go, they thought they were gonna fly him, you know, and get ahead. And that settlement turned around and went right back out the back side and left them dogs standing there with a what the fuck look on their face.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Yep. Yeah, they sure did. And you know, imagine how many times that's happened before all these drones come out, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

Hey, yeah. But I'm gonna say we've been messing with these fly people. I'm finna throw them a bone. That ain't gonna happen to a good plowhound. He's gonna bust his ass when he tries to happen.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

That plowhound's gonna know the whip back and get it. I think that was probably some sight dogs or something.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

But I don't know how they'd have been sight dogs in the damn dark. I don't know how they ever did it. I did it on foul, but never on dog.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

I had never done it. Just, you know, blatantly. I I've had some uh some lurchers and sight hound crosses and stuff like that. And I've had some full-blooded ones, and I just used them as running catch dogs, you know. Uh but i you know, like if I had one that didn't want to stop and he kept breaking or something, I'd just dump them out there too and let him run him run him down. But I never did go like look at the fields or scan fields and try to catch one in the open because we we don't really have agriculture right here where we live at. But I like that.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Old booth's about the best, yeah. Old wheel booths are about the best at that, I think. Mm-hmm. I think he had an old dog one time named Tech that was pretty damn accurate.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

And that's and that's checking home. But that ain't the way I want to catch it. I want him to cast and go work a trap and bave him up in his bed or run him and bam or something, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 56:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:09

And we like that too. I mean, I mean he likes it all. You know, like I do. I ain't I really ain't going to catch no hog, I'm gonna tell y'all. That shit's a lot of work on the old man. My damn diabetes is wearing up.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Yeah, it it gets rough on you, that's for sure. It does. So, how many hogs y'all think y'all catch a year, Mr. Bobby? Y'all try to catch a whole bunch or y'all manage them, or or how do y'all do them?

SPEAKER_04 56:45

Yeah, we uh we do, we uh we try to basically what we do is right after deer season, which we don't run them very much during deer season. I mean, right there at the end, our deer season kind of for the most part for everybody involved is pretty much over at the end of rifle season. We don't really count muzzle loader, even though I told you I run one by that man the other day. But uh usually when we we start hunting right after deer season and we'll we'll kill, you know, four or five. We we got a I myself have a pretty large family. I got five kids and grandkids, and so we we fill our freezer with with with fat thousand bars that we catch right off the bat, and then everything else after that, we don't we don't we don't uh go back. Uh we we bar anything that you know old big big bore that that ain't never gonna be no good for nothing, you know. We might kill that, but but uh especially if it's if it's wrecked some dogs. But uh but pretty much we we bar and and uh we don't we don't uh hurt the population too bad. But uh I myself I I'm about the same way. I I don't I don't really care anymore if I catch a hog or not. Uh my son, you know, he's still young and and I don't blame him. I was uh we was all the same way. We want to catch as many of them as we could right off the bat, you know. Uh but I think oh this year, I don't know how many we've caught. I really lost count. Uh it ain't in the hundreds, but it's it's over fifty, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

They bigger, bigger hogs. Uh you know what I'm I will and when I and let me let me rephrase that. 150 pounds and up is oh yeah, you know what I'm saying? Uh uh not not a bunch of pigs.

SPEAKER_04 58:42

We don't even count pigs.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

Yeah, I I'm playing white. Well, there hey, listen, there's some of them out there that by God, they uh that was one fella, he actually cut the sowels open and counted the pigs that was in them. Yeah, he was counting their memory o's. Yeah, I I now I uh I now if I'm getting paid by the head, yeah, I can't sign me up. I do it too.

SPEAKER_04 59:06

But if if I can tie it, then that counts. But if uh but if I gotta kick it out of the way when I can't get done, then uh Yeah. I got you.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

I think one that's go ahead, Bobby. I I thought tell them you make the sign saucy.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

Oh, now we're talking. Now we're talking. Let's get into this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:33

Let's get into this. Yes, sir. I got one. Uh I actually when I first got off the road, that was that was what I I did. Uh I opened my own business uh di processing deer and uh it did really well, but I didn't uh I couldn't find the the help that I that I needed, which I'm kind of particular. Uh I had my kids helping me when they could, but they, you know, they had school and other jobs and all that, and and that turned into more work than I believe I've ever done. Uh I would go uh I would go to stay there at that shop, you know, taking in deer, taking in deer, and I would work until I just would go to sleep and I would sleep at that shop and and I would wake up to people beating on my door to to to try to bring me some more deer. And you know, that that's that's something that you don't have uh uh as much of leisure, you know, that stuff don't don't keep forever. And uh so I work I work non-stop during deer season. And it, you know, you got MLD leases here in Texas that that they hunt to the end of February, and and by the time you get through all your deer, you know, and I I did I did hogs too. Uh a lot of the places, so if you're if you're just a you're just a wild game processing place, you can do you can do with the wild hogs, but if you sell meat there, you can't do wild hogs here because of disease or whatever, you know. So when when deer season was over, then then here come the hogs, and and it was just constant, constant. Uh so I learned how to, which I I say I learned, I didn't learn how to do it, I just kind of perfected my method during that time. But uh I've I've always made my own my own sausage and all that, but I still got a lot of that stuff from when I when I was doing that. Uh, and so I just do it for myself and my family now.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

I gotcha. Yeah, we we do like ourselves too.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

Yeah, I I put some of that, I put some or Cassie put some of that sauce and some pinch o beans, and there wasn't hardly nothing else around here. I might have to take out each other and not eat burners at all. I eat I bet that is good.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

It is, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

Yeah, I had to I'm gonna have to come out there and get me some of that one of these days. I'm I'm a damn contour of that now. I'm fat and I like to eat no doubt. Nathan makes a damn good sausage when uh when me and him were well, I'll say me and him, I used to do all of it, and he got a little older, so I was like, here, you do it, you know. After about the second or third season, I'd just step back. I said, You don't need my help. Kind of like like you said, like in dogs. I just get out his way. And let me tell you something. I get to eat all the stock I want, and it's very good. All I had to do was get out the way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:42

Hey, I'm kind of disappointed in nature. What's that? I hear some girls be crunching on him and he dunkling in dodging.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:53

Oh well he Why'd you run in front of us?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

He well, he just went outside a while ago, Pat. He ain't even in here now.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:59

Oh, he ain't hearing me.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:00

No, he'll hear you when he goes to edit this. It'll be funny then. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he uh I was on there the other night. He popped up there and we talked for a little while, you know. Yeah. That's what I told my I told my wife. My wife said, Well, you need to come up here and go hunting, don't you? I said, Yeah. Oh I told I told Nate the other day, I said, Nate, you better tighten up. I said, I'm telling you, you better you better get on it. He's gonna slide in there. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:30

You know, Bobby Bobby was talking about that yellow dog being cut when he dogs, you know. Hell, I was straight kicked till I stick to the damn self. I got a few parts for them. I know all about that picking it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. So what you what you what you got planned now, Mr. Bobby? What uh as far as on the dogs and stuff, you got what kind of breeds you got going, um or anything like that. What do you got uh what do you got lined up or what do you got in mind? And and how how is it working with your son? How how does this stuff work with your son as far as the hunting line? Y'all get along pretty good? Y'all argue a lot? Because me and my son, we can't it's a mess. But he's my best friend and my hunt buddy.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Yeah, we get along real well. Uh that's good. He uh he's been hunting with me. Like I mentioned, I had I got five kids, and and and and all of them have been hunting with me, of course, but he took to it, you know, out of all of them to where, you know, I'm a I'm a deer hunter. Uh I'll I've always been a deer hunter, and and and and don't get me wrong, I love to hog hunt. But uh there when the when the summer starts getting hot and I and he'll he'll start hearing me say, Well, I'm ready for deer season, I'm ready for deer season. And all he says, I'm ready for it to be over. I'm ready for deer season to be over. So I run them dogs. And uh and I, you know, like but we get along good and we we we trade dogs back and forth with each other, we hunt each other's dogs. Uh you know, it's we it it it goes real good with us. We're we're constantly every day on the phone. So, you know, he he's 19 now and he just recently got his own place. And we went down there and got his kennels built and set up, and and like I said, we we're gonna breed back and forth with each other. And and you know, you talked about earlier that some of these some of these dogs that you're gonna get, you're gonna have to pay for to you know to add into that free dog or whatever, and that and that's what I'm really trying to do, and really what I'm trying to do more than anything nowadays is be able to make something and carry something out that he'll have when I'm gone. And and you know, right now we're doing it together, and and you know, I'll I'll I'll find something I like and he'll be like, well, I gotta. have me one of them too. Right now we've got a we've got some dogs. We've got three of them actually that are they're July plot crossing. And uh that was part of them dogs that we brought today too. And I'm really looking forward to breeding them into some some real good black mouth turds we got. That's that's the direction that I'm gonna go. Which I say I'm gonna go all directions. Whatever works is what where I'm gonna go. But I mean I have a certain ideally for me the dogs that I had prior to me getting out before I got back in my ideal dog is going to be a dog that's gonna cast out and hunt and and I'm talking about hunt I'm talking about make a circle up to about 800 yards and if they ain't hit on nothing by then I it's fine with me they come back and we go drop somewhere else. I got you of course you know in 800 yards around here more than likely they're gonna hit something if they work their thoughts and and then I don't care how far they carry it out you know but but I don't and and especially now you know I I've I've got some health problems now and I I just ain't good for all day like I used to be uh but I'm not gonna take anything away from the dogs because of that though. I mean if between me and my son if if I can't go no more he he'll he'll pick up the slack and go on. I'm not gonna take nothing away from a dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Yeah. I fully understand that. I've got a few of them if if you put them down uh you ain't gonna you're not gonna see them at all un until it until you go get them. And I you still hate dogs like that. But at the same time like I said I I'm not gonna take that if that dog's out there doing what it's supposed to do I'm not gonna get in the way there there's times like if they get back they might be a mile away from it I'm gonna get in there as close as I can I'll call them out. We'll go we'll go run them up you know and it it took a little time to get that part down. But we've we've got some of them that now we can do that with that's made it pretty nice to be honest with you. Because there's some of them you I can't call out and you've got to go in there and like Pat said it's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:27

But yeah but you can take that dog you can take that dog that you can't call out or that's gonna run all day long and and and and and breed that down a little bit to get more to your liking and that's you know that's ultimately where I'm trying to go uh my son he likes one that's gonna that that when you turn him loose it might be in the next county but you're gonna find him bathing and and to me I don't find a need for that where we live because if you can't find a track in 800 to a thousand yards then then you you're not looking uh I mean that's that's just my opinion. I'm not saying that that that's gonna happen every single time and that's why I expect or want for them to come come back and we go try somewhere else because you know nine times out of ten if a dog ranges out eight eight hundred to a thousand yards hunting he's gonna come across something you know here where we live anyway. I mean we've we've got the problem with where we live we live on like I said Toledo Bend Lake and we've got a lot of people that are moving up here because of the lake you know they're fishermen bass fishermen and they own five acres and think they own 500 and so our the places that we can hunt you know these people a lot of the a lot of the people that that come up here they're not they're not educated on on dog hunting never been around it don't want your dogs on their place and that's fine I mean your what's yours is yours and I respect that but in that we end up with a lot of places that you know get shortened up for us because people want to drive and raise hell but but we we do we are blessed to have a lot of this national forest around here and then we just picked up we're on three different leases uh two of them ain't real big but one of them is with with the leaf land that we've got and the permission that we've got with the land around it we we end up somewhere close to 10 11 000 acres probably to hunt i got you that we don't have to worry about anything there and then these blocks of national forest that we got you know it you can pretty much run in there all day long and and not ever get off on on anything you ain't supposed to be on I wish we could run some some public land here in a way but but at the same time you know it's they're just we don't have a lot of hog in in the immediate area that I live in.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:11

Now if we if we go down south a little bit there it's all on the management areas down there but we can't hunt them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

Well that don't make no sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

No it don't and all they do is complain about man we need to get rid of these hogs. Well hell let's get them not that we're gonna do that but you know let's get a hold of them we're gonna do it out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:39

I'm I'm gonna show a bunch of pictures of a a pile of 30 pounders no doubt about it so let me let me ask both of y'all a question here and it might be a dumb question but it it's something that I it's baffled me and and y'all might have run into it before but I talking about that yellow dog again he uh and talking about places you ain't supposed to be uh I can turn that dog loose on a on a road and and say it you know as a crow flies through the woods to another road might be three miles over there and and he'll get off on something and he'll be running it and I see him headed towards that road that's three miles over there. And so naturally we all do the same thing we're gonna go around and get ahead of him see what he's running and so he'll hang up and and and get made somewhere between here and there or something and uh and he's tone broke. Uh and he'll be somewhere that I can't get in or can't find somebody to let me in or you know and uh I'll be sitting I'll I'll drive around to that other road and I might be closer to him there but I'm still not close to him. I'm I'm within a mile from him maybe and and I'll start toning him after I've let him bay for a while and realize that I ain't gonna be able to get in there to him and I'll start toning him and the expectation would be you know well the tone broke go was he runs his own track back to where I let him out. That dog when I hit that tone button will pop out in the road right in front of my truck and how does he know I'm left hell if I know but they know where you at at all times.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

They sure do. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

I don't know how in the damn hell they know it but they know it at all times.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

I tell you I got one that'll do the opposite because he don't want to quit if he knows where I'm at that I I don't give a damn I can be up or gonna cut him off and and I'll holler and he'll turn around go the opposite way. No I mean you know what he's doing but now he's gonna go run and now when he gets when he gets done doing his thing he'll come straight up to I mean no matter where I'm at I've left and stayed gone for six hours and then come back and like you said he'll pop right out in the middle of the road and I'm like how the hell do you know I'm here I think it's a I think it's a bond we have that we create over time with them dogs because you're like you know like like going out to the grocery store and go past some bitch or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

You get an uneasy feeling and you see three days later he's arrested for child pornography or some old oh yeah you know some old bull shit you know I think that's part of like that unseen shit you know uh in that bond and that's how they know you worried and that's how they know all that shit like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:43

It's in the subconscious somehow or another yeah it's definitely something different well that definitely makes a difference you're talking about that bond I I try to have a bond with all my dogs that I I was told a long time ago you can have a prisoner or a partner.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:02

That's a fact like these yard dogs I got you say they go bay all the time but if I crank that father's eye you better not be in the way they gonna have dogs that come they're gonna run over because they know when they get bait that is coming they won't go hunting hardly nothing unless I go they'll lay around here for weeks at a time making up good air eating up good dog food but when I get ready to go and I crank that sabbat or I come outside with a some kind of blue chick or something in my hand every hit the wood I don't know they they just know yeah they definitely do they that's that uh that intuition I guess yeah there's there's there's plenty of dogs that I have and I know y'all do too that I've never taught a damn thing and and how how they know what I want like I'm I mean they they just pick it up you know just from being around and I I don't of course I don't I don't imagine anybody does my my son's you know big on having a a good handle on his dogs but I I don't go for that handle right off the bat.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:49

Especially you'll ruin him he won't leave your damn feet if you put too much handle on him.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Nope yeah but that handle just comes natural it should yeah that's what he know they ought to be good you know yeah that uh honestly you know that's what I was gonna say a two a two two year old to three year old dog that you've handled and you've hunted and you've just you cared him let him be a dog and do his thing generally I mean they'll load in a box they'll unload they know to come when they're called uh most of them know what the comb button and all that is without without doing a whole lot what I mean uh I've seen guys go out there and guard everything and do it and I have done it with when I've I've worked for Texas. That's a whole different deal that's a different thing that's a different deal I don't care if they load I don't care if they get the box I don't care when I get when I tell them I get to where we're going and I'm and I put the five I don't know I don't want them to go do the top and I got to go that's got to go when you put that dog fine it's all fine we got a dog and another dog and both of them got the dog and he was like well I I don't I don't think you think that walker dog was named White Boy Rick when I got him he just comes when I called I don't even know what his name is he's coming because we have a bond we he trust me and he knows I'm gonna be there.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:47

Yeah yep that's like these yard these yard dogs they not gonna go out on that road there's a road in there about two and a half miles from here they're gonna run whatever it is for that road they ain't talking something because they know I'm not going over there man I can get more yard talking I didn't say nothing to them I just ride around you know I I ain't gonna burn out like that look at that we're not being cracked that's right if they don't come home at night that's less I gotta feed save money like that. I know that sounds true but my old daddy man I used to try to baby them dogs and worried over them stars so making my daddy killing more dead more hogs than anybody with a bunch of bulls killing around there and he didn't take that if he gonna make things come over that good we ain't gotta feed 'em and he mean it look what time when that when that when that two twenty first come out right there and he he got back into a sweet dog real and that's somebody bad here dog was somebody back and he did that to the guy that drive to his ear like a dog and and everybody they they they didn't even realize he was he was surrounded he was trying to get both with that five star remote look like with that thing using ten thousand dollars in it he was a dog man and we put that oh yeah that's right he was just he was just he was hunting he was just letting 'em go letting them do their thing and that's when I I spent fifty thousand dollars to figure that out to do to uh do what he's been telling me to do for thirty five years for free I want to tangle where we weave hey what a tango where we weave boys I ain't no deep you got a we got a good we got any good stories going on Mr.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:33

Bobby good hunting story or something I I've listened to the truth a good one now not not don't be lying you know what I mean tell the truth well that ain't gonna be no good it ain't gonna be no good you start telling the truth and the reason I thought about it is because I I I've listened to enough of your podcast to know you was going to ask that question so I I thought about the stories I was going to tell and I actually got two that I think that that real that play into each other I guess uh uh so you know my most memorable story I guess would be talking about my son uh Slayton that that's my my middle son is the one that's eat up with the hog dog uh you know he's been following me around since he was old enough to keep up and and uh when he was five years old I was the motor dogs I had of course uh had never had any and I was still in plenty good shape at this time in my life and I never had any problems with my back before never had any problems with my back again. My back is not something that's ever been a problem but this particular morning I uh my wife's grandpa has a considerable land of considerable amount of pasture land and there's always hogs coming up in that pasture so we can always drive around edge of that pasture is a creek running at the back of it that that bust up to some government land and uh we can find where them hogs cross the creek and put it on them right there. And there was a big bunch of rooting back there and I had a puppy a younger dog that I had got her out of the truck and somehow or another got my finger stuck through that O-ring in her collar and she went to trying to leave out on that rooting and twisted my finger up in that thing and I'm trying to get a loose from the dog and she's trying to get a loose from me and somewhere or another I got my back wrenched in there where I couldn't hardly stand up straight. And it wasn't five minutes and they was they was baits and uh so I get him out of the truck and you know he's five years old and we we go heading out through the woods and there's a there's an old house or barn or something old settlement out there that was here long before I was and it had fell down to the ground and just the peak of the roof was was sticking up and that hog was backed up in that in that gable roof and uh I had a bulldog back then and I'll never have another like him never wore a vest never got cut and never missed. I mean best bulldog ever owned uh and uh would walk off lead we walked in there and then I had two dogs in there baying that hog in that in that roof and I'd see them dogs come slinging out of that hole and that hog would run out and he'd back right back up in there and I I seen him in it and it's still today the biggest hog we've ever caught uh and I started you know trying to time him when he'd come out where I could send that bulldog in there and uh well what let me back up a minute when I seen how big he was I picked Slayton up and put him in the tree and uh because I didn't know what was going to happen. We was pretty close to him and uh that hog run out of there and I sent that bulldog and he caught him and when he caught him those two curdogs caught him and and he just took off with them. I mean they was they was hung and and he was dragging them and he drove them on waves and I take off chasing them. He gets down in a in a a creek that's not completely dry but not got the water in it neither and he sucked him down in there in that mud and I can't I done hurt my back and I can't get it get a dig down in there to leg him and get him tied and and Slayton is in this in the tree just screaming his head off daddy daddy and and you know all the commotion going on in there he thinks I'm in there getting killed and uh I got a little old case pocket knife and I I can't get this whole deception broke to get him up out of that mud and I'm up on his back by this point so I I fiddle around there and get that pocket knife and I had to whittle a hole in there to him and kill him because that was the only way I was going to get out of this fine. And uh by the time you know they run him to work he was bait and by the time he run to that creek we was a pretty good ways from the truck and and I get the hog killed and go back and get Slade and calmed down there and and uh he gets in there and then and then the fiasco comes of of getting the hog out of course because he was he's the biggest hog I've ever caught and we got him out and weighed him 363 pounds is still today my biggest my my biggest and that was a boar hog.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:20

So uh so that goes into my other story which y'all probably have read it if you read Tuskers uh you know I I I have some heart problems uh and and I've I'm 46 years old I've had a quadruple bypass and the bad thing about all of that is that I worked with a guy for you know I told you I worked in refineries for 20 plus years and I worked with a guy for nearly all of those years who went in for the exact same thing that I went in for a month before I did it and didn't come out of the hospital. They diagnosed me and they diagnosed me and and and you know said my heart was only working at 15% and I I had four coronary arteries blocked and needed a bypass and and and I felt fine. It was some other medical issues that led me to this that they discovered this uh so anyway uh I was scared to get the surgery because I was afraid that the last thing I was gonna do was lay on that table and count backwards from 10. Uh yeah that'd be and ever everywhere you know because of what had happened to my friend uh everywhere I went to get another test they'd always ask me are you short of breath Austin no I'm not short of breath ever I don't know why y'all keep asking me that but uh that year we was hunting uh this has been a year ago that I've had the surgery uh that year we was hunting and and and we were catching a bunch of small hogs uh and it's always a joke I I wrote in that in that article article when I send it in that I kind of sound like an idiot saying that you know my son likes to catch hogs, but I only like to catch big rack boar hogs. I don't really talk like that, big rack boar hogs, but it's just a joke, you know. And and so uh you know if if if if I'm walking to a bay and I hear a pig start squealing, I just want to throw my hands down and turn around and go back to the truck. Oh yeah. But uh I mean I but anyway it was the the I was gonna check into the hospital on a Tuesday and this was on a Saturday uh that we went hunting and we hadn't had any luck catching any big hogs that year. I mean we had caught a few but it wasn't near the numbers that I'm like to catch and and my son told me that morning he said uh I said this is gonna be my last one for a while and I still hadn't completely committed to doing this surgery and and uh he said well today we're gonna catch big rank boar hole and we went to a place called the mountain that's some some more of my wife's family's land and we don't call it the mountain for nothing it's it's it's steep and uh right out of the box I mean we we bathed and uh sent the bulldogs from the truck because they were so close and we the bulldogs caught and we we went to running down there to the to the bay and we got to running down the hill so fast we couldn't stop and before it was over and I'm talking about everybody the hogs the bulldogs the togues us we all ended up in one big pile in a creek at the bottom of this fall that we had done and uh because we couldn't stop we was running so fast and and and tripping over stuff and once we got to rolling down that hill we we couldn't stop anyway we ended up getting that hog caught it was about a 200 pound boar hog and and uh we got out of there and left for and went up to a pond up there let the dogs cool off and they left from that pond went and bite another one this was another one about 200 pounds we got in there and got that one caught they left immediately from that one and went and bite another one and and we didn't catch that one but I know it was also a a a another big boar because some of the dogs that we had in there were fan and they don't bait uh so that day was the the day before you know the the the weekend before my surgery that I was trying to talk myself out of and that was really what convinced me to go on and do it. Was you know I wanted to be able to do that and I wanted to be able to keep doing that with my son. And and uh so that I guess the two stories kind of go together for me because me and him's been hunting together since he was five years old. Can't be dad and just what he said just what he said happened was going to happen that day happened and I was thick with pink you know and it it was me and him and one of his friends and they they was two 18 year old boys and here I am 45 with all these heart problems they say I got and I'm step for step with them, you know. But I wanted to continue to be able to do that so I went ahead and talked myself into going for the surgery and and most things came out fine on it. Yeah I'm not the same as I used to be but but I'm still hunting.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:05

If they don't like your fire you would too damn wet boy enjoy it no doubt about it. Yeah that's that's pretty good I got a hunt story I got a hunt story you know everybody wants you know their partner to go hunting with them right I ain't never had one go and uh I said I'm gonna try something different with this one I told her I said I got a cat message for this little girl over there on the other side of the Sabbath River old man done run out the left she ain't got nobody taking hunting about eight o'clock she's gonna come over and uh we're gonna do nothing. About 745 bought a new light the snake and she's ready to go hunt I bet so all you boys I mean you can't be it ain't for the paint of heart y'all want that shit no but uh uh if you want the old lady to go hunt with you I mean it worked for me yeah that I'm not gonna try that you believe I did that I I believe you would from a from a distance rather than a 300 CO key Lord of mercy that's pretty good stuff there well it got us about an hour and 40 minutes or something yeah we've done pretty good 30 yeah I got a iron 35 so we got a good hour and a half or so on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:57

Yeah you got anything else y'all want to add to it? Are y'all good or no all right what about you Mr.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:05

Bobby you good I'm good all right you want to do you want to call anybody out and cuss them out or tell them how shitty their dogs are you're welcome to do that uh we don't discriminate not gonna find me doing that I there's enough people that do it already it with they got it covered up I hear that I see that shit and I'm like why do y'all do that lord they can't let they can't let leave nothing alone you know hey the only thing a dog the only thing a dog's gotta do is suit you that's right that's exactly right you know that's it that's it that's exactly right the uh and if more people would would go with that and not worry about what somebody else is thinking you know that they it it they'd be so much more happy with their dogs they'd be more happy just in general happiness is a choice yes sir it's not a feeling it damn sure is that's why I don't why I don't hunt with too many people is because I don't I I'm very non-competitive and all I want is for what I have to work for me the way that I want it to work and I don't want to find myself saying well man I wish I could have so and so's dogs and I don't want them you know going back and and and and and talking shit on mine or me talking shit on theirs. I I mean I I'm I I stay far away from talking shit on on people's dogs. I mean me and my boy we batter back and forth of course you know that's just we'll we'll get we'll get a big old hog on camera and and I'll my I'll I'll tell him I'll I'll I'll show Spooky picture and we'll catch him in the morning. You know but that's just between me and him but if you're not gonna find me trashing nobody else's dogs if they work for you then then then great you know just like all these all these you know I mentioned I'm a I'm a deer hunter pretty much above all and if you see all these age and score aging score would you shoot this buck if you like him shoot him hell yeah I mean he'll he'll taste just just like that oven.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:19

Well I can tell you right now they better not ask a age or score duck because a uh a year and a half old button buck will get it he will get folded up son I'm talking about I don't give a damn I gotta throw a rock at him he's gonna get it I went to Arkansas Braxton I you know I went to Arkansas Braxton that's what I told him I he said man my dog's running a deer I said good we're gonna eat oh yeah I hey old man giving me trouble about my dog he said he ran down that road and grabbed his head up I said kid I don't give a damn if he swung from the vine like Tarzan as long as he got it that's right that's right I can't have your say I can't have yours ain't smart enough to pull up some shit like that. Well you know I I was telling you about that uh that female July got man all them dogs was in that thicket now I mean it's a big when I say thicket it's a it's a cut over it's it's a couple thousand acre block you know just of nothing hell that old girl she comes out and there's one main road that goes through it and that old girl hits that main road and she runs down a mile and a half kicks up to the right goes in there 380 yards and hits it right in the face them other old dogs are still behind trying to catch up to it hell she done got it took care of I said well that's not a problem that's what I said I said hey that was her first time ever turned loose she has never seen a hog ever until that day you better feed that somebody listen she was she's five years old has never been on a hog she will not touch a deer though he he he broke her off a deer but she will run a coat or a cat and yeah that's what I said well he ruined a good dog bar that's what I said I said well I ain't gonna be too mad because you I'm gonna tell you a fox a coat or a bobcat you will burn it up and I it's a pretty I'm fine with that it takes a pretty good dog to run a cat I'll give it back with her yeah she'll get in there she'll if you'll get with it if the mother dogs act right with her I think we could have a little pack there but they don't know how to swing out and and and get out on that cat you know they want to try to trail right behind it and that old cat just gonna he's gonna tree he's gonna bounce out he just gonna leave him you know he's just gonna do it over and over and over and but you know we ain't gonna be able to get to him uh but now if he gets out I think she catch him she quick boy I like it do life but all right fellas that uh I appreciate y'all a hundred thousand percent that was some good stories some good conversation no doubt about it so you got a you got an outro outro you want to do Pat for your well I ain't got nothing but the habit well that's listening that honestly I'll work on it that that's our best one everybody just yeah PM what y'all want to talk about and we'll talk about it and uh that's it I mean this is the people we know I'm gonna tell you I mean if we ain't got no content it ain't our fault we can only tell the same old story so many times you know well I've got uh I got one guy that he sent in a thing for us to do and I and I just noticed it uh and I'll I'll I'll send it to you if I have to we'll get it on the next one and we'll get on the next one and and and like and I just told one guy a while ago he he tried to call me and I told my buddy we're recording right now he's like well man call me back to me and I was like dude just I've worked 11 hours almost 12 hours today doing construction then I get home and do this do that when I get done I fix and grab me a bite to eat and I'm going to bed so but uh but now all jokes aside man I appreciate y'all and uh can't wait to do it again. All right buddy y'all have a good one. All right that was that was Uncle Pat and Mr. Bobby Fiscate Sounds like a lot of places they're hunting is very similar to what we're hunting and uh the guy I was talking about earlier my my niece's boyfriend his name's Ian his little his little dogs they seem to be fitting in very well here in this terrain. So you know it's one of those deals where uh terrain geographical location we talk about it all the time it plays a big part if you're if you live somewhere where there's a lot of hogs and they're I ain't gonna say easy to catch there anything can happen. But there's you have a better chance of catching them with a hot nosed cur dog and you can catch them within a half a mile or less I I wish I I wish I could do that. And there's certain certain times we can and it's it's fun. But there's a lot of times where you know it's like we we concentrate more on just how good of a a dog can we can we conjure up and uh that's where we're at with it now. So uh but that uh I we appreciate y'all listening and uh we'll get uncle pat and he'll he'll get my outro and everything set up and if y'all want to ask questions still same old thing y'all just private message him let him know this is his own segment now so there's gonna be less and less of me on this so I'm just letting y'all hear this right now so that way y'all know and it's kind of I'm just doing just kind of helping keep it rolling right now until they get to get the reins in their hands full and they're gonna roll with it baby. We uh we all on the same team I won't see everybody win. Till next time we'll see y'all