Episode 3: Battle for Top Beer - The 1893 World's Fair: Part 2

A city blazing with electric light, a kitchen freed from endless scrubbing, and a beer crowned by a legend—this tour through the 1893 World’s Fair shows how everyday life got rewired. We kick off with the current war made simple: why Tesla’s alternating current, backed by Westinghouse, beat Edison’s direct current on safety, distance, and cost. From transformers to polyphase motors, we break down how AC scaled into real grids and how the White City spectacle wasn’t just theater—it was proof that power could reach everyone, not just a block at a time.

Then we head to a backyard shed in Illinois where Josephine Cochrane designed the automatic dishwasher that actually worked. Wire racks measured to fit dishes, a flat rotating wheel, and pressurized hot water turned drudgery into a repeatable process. We unpack why early sales targeted hotels and hospitals, how home plumbing and better detergents finally unlocked mass adoption, and what this reveals about design that respects both objects and the people who use them.

Finally, we crack open the Pabst Blue Ribbon story. Before the rebrand, Pabst Best Select already tied blue silk ribbons to bottles, and the fair’s national spotlight made that symbol iconic. The “America’s Best” contest came down to Pabst and Budweiser, and history muddied the verdict—one judge, one reversal, many headlines. The result? A masterclass in branding: turn a tangible cue into an identity, then scale it from pavilion to label. It’s a fun, messy reminder that technology wins on performance, products win on usability, and brands win on story.

If you love smart history with a wink and want more curious deep dives, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review—what fair-born invention do you swear by?

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Transcript

Banter And Episode Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hey my doodle dandies, this is Kelsey, and I'm Sarah. And we're that so macaroni. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

We're just here today. We're just gonna talk to you guys about us and our lives and how I'm a lazy piece of shit that likes to sleep until 10.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

And how I'm neurotic and up at latest by seven.

Tesla’s AC Vs Edison’s DC

SPEAKER_02 0:28

That's fucking insane. I can't even fathom that. Anyway, since you did the world's fair, I picked three exhibits or like inventions that I thought were interesting. I already told you two of them. Yes. We're saving the best for last. I'm excited. Okay. The first exhibit/slash invention that I picked um was literally the 1893 World Fair. Like, if it wasn't for this, it wouldn't have been as big as it was. Um, and that is Nikola Tesla's AC power.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

What's up, Tesla? Alternating current, baby. Go ahead. Sorry, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

So uh it was invented in 1887 as what you already said, alternating current, which is now used worldwide. Um so electricity's natural state uh is alternating, so the direction of the flow is like rapidly changing. So it's just like constantly going from one place to a next.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I thought it was what was direct current, then do you tell me about direct current? Okay, I'll just be quiet and listen.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

The difference between DC between DC and AC sorry is that DC is a continuous and steady current that is always moving in the same direction.

unknown 1:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

And AC is constantly moving different directions.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Um, so it can change the flow up or down by passing through pairs of coils or a transformer.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

And that one's more stable, right, than direct current?

SPEAKER_02 2:04

It's more stable, um, it's less dangerous as well. Um, and it can go like longer distances.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Weak.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Okay, you're just gonna need to shut him up because like rude. Having flashbacks to my childhood. Nice to him. Kick people not. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Uh just stop listening.

unknown 2:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Uh Edison's DC, which was what was being used at the time, was dangerous because it was really high voltage. And then, like I said, it didn't go long distances. So often, like, people lose power very quickly.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Um, he said he's weak. I'm weak. He wanted to be specific. Oh. He can't talk because he's weak. Well, then go back to sleep. Just letting you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

I can't handle this today. Anywho, not enough coffee in the world for this, dad. Anyway. Um, okay. So Tesla started his journey to create AC current or like harness AC current because it was a thing at the time. It's just nobody could figure it out. Yeah, okay. Um no, it's not. It's fucking freezing. What are you talking about? He's distracting me. What did he say? Alright, turn your phone off. I'm done. Okay, he's gone. I'm so done. I cannot handle this today. Fuck! Alright.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

I don't even know what I was saying. AC current, hard to control, but Nikola Tesla is like, I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna lasso this shit. Okay, yeah. So he takes his copper lasso and heyas it around electricity. Kinda. Um, okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

So when he was in college at what is it, Gras University of Technology in Austria. Uh he had a physics lecturer. I'm not sure if it's lecturer or professor. And I was like, is that the same thing? Is it different in the 1800s? So I put professor a question mark. Um, so he did a demonstration with a direct current gamma dynamo, uh, which was a hand-cranked little machine that generated DC current with a rotating coil and a split ring commuter. Commutator. Commut commutator. Commutator sounds right. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

It sounds sciencey and electric.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

I don't remember this from physics at all. I remember when I took physics, there was pictures of Nikola Tesla like all throughout the hallways, but I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

I took physics in high school and I just mostly remember having to learn advanced math.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Oh, well, luckily there's no math in this right now, so.

unknown 5:03

Thank god.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Flashbacks.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

You're having flashbacks! What is sine and cosine? Oh my god, I loved that. Anyway, um, okay, so during this demonstration, Tesla concluded the AC current could be harnessed without the commutator. Okay. This led to his determination to create his own machine. Um, so he used the concept of the AC motor to start the project. Uh, he chose this because it had a combination of stationary electric electromagnetic coils, the stator, and rotating electromagnetic coils. The roy I'm going home.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

The rotor. Dude, reading out loud, I was realizing is just so much fucking harder than like reading in your head. It is. Like, there's so many words that I'm like, I know this word, I can fucking pronounce it, but I'm an idiot right now. And like now that you're recording me, I'm like, what is it?

Inside Tesla’s Polyphase Motor

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Exactly what's going on right now. I have no fucking clue how to say words, they're very difficult. Um so anyway, the rotor um could turn motion into electric current. Um, his first model consisted of a disc-shaped iron rotor mounted on a shaft. The stator, how come I can say stator, but I can't say rotor? I don't know. I hate it here. Um okay, the stator was two coils of insulated wire mounted on an oblong brass ring. And as soon as I read the word oblong, my brain went straight to this old cartoon from the early 2000s called Oblongs. I don't think I saw that. Oh my god. It was on Adult Swim.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

And uh probably one of those things that like we would watch now and be like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Oh 100%.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Who let us watch this? Adult Swim. Where were the adults asleep?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Okay, so you okay. This show was so funny though. It was like a family of mutants that like were deformed by toxic waste. This kind of actually sounds familiar. Yeah, so like the dad was literally just a head and a torso, and he would just like hop around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

It does kind of sound familiar.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

And you know who voiced the dad?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

No.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Will Farrell.

unknown 7:32

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

I used to love that show. So that's immediately where my ADHD brain went when I read the word oblong. Um, we should see if we can find it and watch it and just be like, wow, we had no business watching this.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Like when we rewatched Ren and Stimpy and we're like, oh god.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Are Rocco's modern modern life?

unknown 7:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Really, really big man with his what were they? The nipples. Scares me. Nipples of the future or something. What the fuck were his nipples?

SPEAKER_01 8:03

I don't know. Keep going, I'll look it up.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Okay. Alright. So moving on from horrible cartoon TV shows. Uh okay. So this first model did not work because the brass core that was used for the coils.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Nipples of the future.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Oh, I was right. Nipples of the future. Gross. Okay, sorry. I couldn't imagine if a nipple just like came launching at my fucking eyeball.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

I think I'd be done committing crime at that point. Like, I don't know what to do with my life.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

And we're done. Um, okay, so this model didn't work because uh the brass core that was used for the coils um could not be magnetized. Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Makes sense. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah. Um, so he put in like a steel file in the coil, which produced currents, but it didn't turn the disc. So like he got movement, just it didn't move what it was supposed to. Um, so he finally put the file and the disc in a position that the magnetic fields and the currents were going in the same direction, causing them to repel each other. So, like, you know, when you take a magnet and you put positive and positive together sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

And then like, yeah. It gets all pissy.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Yeah, that's essentially what he did. And this caused the rotor to move because now there's like opposite energy. I barely passed physics in college. Like, I literally remember my 21st birthday. I had physics, and me and Phil went and did my power hour on a Tuesday, because that's when my birthday was.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Smart.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Yeah, and I got so fucking annihilated, I had a five-hour physics lab the next day, fell asleep and vomited numerous times. Still got an A though. Anywho, um, okay. Alright, so with this, since now he like finally got motion, um, he began working on building an electric motor by modifying the DC dynamo, the hand crank thing, um, to produce up to four alternating currents. Um, he used a large laminated ring as a stator and divided the f the coils four ways, which delivered two currents to opposite sides. Okay. Um, okay, so then he balanced what was I trying to say with this? Oh, shoe. Okay. What did he say?

SPEAKER_01 10:36

I should say.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

He balanced a show tin. Shoe. Oh, a shoe tin? Shoe, yeah. I just can't spell. He balanced a shoe tin on a pin in the center of the ring for the rotor. Okay. Um, and then the rotating magnetic fields caused the tin to spin. Oh, cool. Yeah. Um, so the currents delivered to each pair of coils had to be out of phase with one another. Um, so one of the pairs was running at its maximum positive value, and the other was running at its minimum negative value. Um, and this was what he called the polyphase motors. Like, this is essentially like his AC machine is called like the polyphase.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

So because one is running at maximum maximum positive and one of them is running at max sorry, minimum negative, that's how they get that kind of opposition. That's how it makes the rotor move, yeah. Yeah. Physic, dude. I feel like this is like kind it's like going a little bit over my head.

Lighting The 1893 World’s Fair

SPEAKER_02 11:48

It's like when I was like reading it, I was like, okay, this signs like this sounds like kind of familiar, but college was so fucking long ago. And like I said, apparently I was drunk for most of physics. So I don't really remember. Um so okay, so now that he had it like under control, this motor literally changed the economy at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century. Um, because it essentially like made it made electricity like it was easier to mass produce now and to mass distribute. So it was great for capitalism, essentially, is what I'm saying. Yeah. Um, all right, so now we're gonna get to the world's fair now that he's harnessed this. Um, so in 1893, the World's Fair was being put together, and there was a fight between Tesla, who was supported by George Westinghouse.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Um I actually know that Westinghouse Motors. Yep. I don't know why I know that, but I do.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah, so he essentially um took the like the rights to the motor, and like that's how you know it got out.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Um, so there was a fight between Westinghouse and Thomas Edison to light the fair.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

I vaguely remember this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Yes. Um, and Thomas Edison was with the General Electric Company. Yeah. Um, so the General Electric Electric Company bid to light the fair for$1.8 million, which in today is$35 million. And the fair was like, fuck no.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

And it's like, I really appreciate that offer. You're so kind. Um, bye. I think we're gonna look at some other options. Yes, yeah, pretty much block in your future endeavors.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Well, they came back uh with a bid of$554,000, which is$19 million today. But then behind their back, Tesla and Westinghouse put in a bid, um, and they offered to light the fair for$3,099. Or not$3,000,$399,000.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Numbers are hard. They are hard.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

$399,000, which is$14 million today. Sold. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Um, and they they won the contract because you know, cheap.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Well, and remember it was like a time of like economic fucking depression and everyone's dying of cholera, so it's like, yeah, I don't really have like money to pay you 34 million fucking dollars. Like I appreciate that you think I'm rich enough, but it's not happening. We already used all of our connections to get the fare here in the first place. Like we're kind of out of money now.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Yeah. Um, so with okay, hold on. Where the fuck? Yeah, so they won the contract. Um, so with this, Tesla's AC polyphase system would be on display for the world to see. Um, on opening day, President Grover Cleveland pushed a button and lit up nearly 100,000 incandescent lamps.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Yeah, that electric finger baby that got such a young wife. Among other reasons.

unknown 15:18

We don't have to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Did we just say that last time? We had briefly mentioned that his wife was known to him when she was a child.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Way to go, Grover Cleveland. So awkward.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

But I'm gonna prefer to think that it's probably the electric finger, because then she doesn't have to pay the doctor for her hysteria treatments. That's a good point. Just that's a good point. Just the cocaine at this point. He's got an electric finger. I don't need that anymore. We got that taken care of.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

Just give me my prescription for cocaine and everything will be fine. My cocaine prescription.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

And then we'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Yeah, exactly. That makes sense to me. Um, so he used his electric finger to light up nearly a hundred thousand. I kind of wish that we had a video so you could just see. My weird little finger right now. Um, it was powered by twelve.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Twelve.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

Twelve thousand horsepower AC polyphase generators. There's twelve. Got it. Okay.

unknown 16:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Um and how many horsepower? Thousand.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

So there's twelve thousand horsepower essentially. I just want to picture that many horses. So, like, if you had 12,000 horses, can you imagine 12,000 horses? That's how many power this baby has.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

My ass would get trampled immediately. Well, you would die just looking at that.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

I would just inhale and peel over. My throat would close, I'd be dead.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Uh um, and it also showed how safe uh AC was compared to DC. And it displayed how electricity could reshape the nation. So the White City became known as the City of Light due to Tesla's invention lighting up the fair. So during the fair it was called the City of Light. Uh also with this, like his AC machine being showcased at the fair, it led to Westinghouse and Tesla winning the rights to the Niagara Falls Power Station. Because there was a battle between them and Edison to win that as well.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

And they won that one? Mm-hmm. Why do we know, like, why is Edison like the electric man then? I don't know. We have to look further into that.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Well, I know Tesla's like the rest of his life is like super fucking sad.

unknown 17:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Um, but yeah, no, that's all I have for Tesla's AC current.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Um So you made me think when I was going when I was driving to Connecticut, um, we stayed in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Um, and they have this huge sign that says the electric city. Uh-huh. When you said the the city of light, it just reminded me as I was like, well, what what the hell is that about? It was because they had it was the first US city with an electric streetcar system.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Oh, cute. Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

And yeah. It was an early pioneer in using and distributing electricity. So it was like the white city in in real life.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Cute.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

It's a really fun sign.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Let me see.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Electric today.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Oh, cute. It kind of reminds me of Disneyland for some reason. Yeah, like the top picture.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yeah, no, it's very like turn of the century that like that's kind of what Disney was going for was that uh old tiny feel. They did it, it worked.

Scranton And The Electric City Aside

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Um cool. So that's uh Nicola Tesla's AC Power. His life went downhill from there. The next uh invention exhibit, whatever, is the automatic dishwasher. Hell yeah! Yeah. Um, okay, so it was invented by Josephine Cochrane in 1885.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

We love a woman inventor. Mm-hmm.

Josephine Cochrane’s Dishwasher Origin

SPEAKER_02 19:09

Uh she found the task of dishwashing tedious and it frequently resulted in chipped dishware. So she was like, I'm fucking done with this.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

That's how I feel. Agreed. Yeah, I look at like almost everything I buy, I'm like, is this dishwasher safe? And it's like, oh no, you should hand wash this. I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

That's why I hate the Starbucks cups. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Like I have a love-hate relationship with them. Yeah, because they're so cute, but then you have to like try to jam your hand down to the bottom of the There's one I think I still have it.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

I got it like years ago, and I just got so fucking tired of hand washing it that I started putting it in the dishwasher and it started peeling. I was like, oh, oops. So I don't use it anymore. Yeah, that makes sense. If I have it, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Unless it's like a cast iron or Or like a really nice set of knives. There's like the only two things that I'm like, fine, I'll hand wash you. Everything else best be able to be put. Don't give me a fucking cup that can be put in a dishwasher, but it doesn't matter with you. Yeah. You think I want to scrub that shit? No. So back to Josephine. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

And and her automatic dishwasher, which we love. We do. Um, okay, so prior to her her dishwasher, other attempts had been made um to like make them. Uh so Joel Houghton? Hutton? H-O-U-G-H-T-O-N. Hutton Hotton um designed the hand cranked dish soaker in 1850.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Seen those. Yep. They're pretty cool actually.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

They are. Um and then L.A. Alexander improved that um by adding a geared mechanism that allowed the user to spin racked dishes through a tub of water. So it would like rotate the rack of dishes. Yeah, the rack of dishes.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Oh my gosh, like a little Ferris wheel for dishes.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah, pretty much. Um, neither of those worked. No. Yeah. So uh so since she was, you know, tired of hand washing, and obviously those two dishwashers did not work out well. Um, following the death of her husband in 1883, she was left with like$1,535.59, which today is$47,000, but she had to use most of it to pay off his debt. Husband. Yeah. Um, what was left of it, which was not a lot, um, she used to start developing her prototype for an automatic dishwasher. So she filed her first patent in December 31st, 1885, under the name JG Cochrane.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

So I know that like it's not like, you know, a sp a specific time frame, but like you should definitely do women inventors. Because I remember when I was in high school, I saw a book of things that women invented. Yeah. And like anything domestic that you can think of, yeah, like dryer sheets. I remember like men were like, we have a dryer sheet, but it kept getting stuck, it was like a rag, and it just kept getting stuck to the vent and clogging the dryer. Yeah. And they're like, one guy goes home to his wife and he's complaining over his scotch. Um, and she was like, What if you just make it fucking porous? And he goes, Oh my god, dryer sheets.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Like No, there's so many like fucking inventions that women made that men were just like, I'm gonna take this.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah, they either took it, put their name on it, or would they just like conveniently leave out that a woman invented it.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Exactly. Which I think is why when she applied for her patent, she used the name JG.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Yeah, because like that could be anything.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

It could be Jonathan George.

Designing The First Automatic Dishwasher

SPEAKER_02 22:54

Exactly, but it was not. Um It was Josephine Georgette. No, her last name she had two last names, Garrett. Oh, Garrett. Yeah. So so it was Josephine Garris Cochrane. Oh, okay. She also ended up changing the spelling of her last name of Cochrane, like towards the end of her life, and I was like, why? Dementia. Maybe. Um anyway, uh, she received her patent for the dishwasher on December 28th, 1886, so like basically a year later. Okay. Um so she worked on her prototype in a shed behind her house in Shelbyville, Illinois, and she hired her first employee, a mechanic named George Butters. Just Butters, like sounds like a soft man. It's really me. I just love the name Butters. Or like when I was in high school, there was a kid, his last name was Butterworth. Shut up. And I was like, that's amazing. Like it just seems so cute and innocent. It does.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

And like, it's hard to take you seriously.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

It was very hard to take him seriously. I think he was scared of me. And I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Because his name is Butters. Butterworth. He's all like, oh, Butterworth, whatever. He's all malleable, squishy and greasy.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Well, apparently I was also very scary in high school, and I'm like, really? Because I didn't talk to anybody.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

That's all you have to do. It was also terrifying in high school because I didn't talk to anybody.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Well, it also didn't help that Eric was my best friend at the time. You know, being friends with the black trench coat wearing goth kid with the spiked hair usually.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Didn't talk to anybody. That was enough.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

I hate high school. Um, anyway. So uh George helped her construct the dishwasher prototype. Um, she first, before she hired George and started working out of her shed, uh, she tried working with existing manufacturing firms, but ended up opening her own, the Garris Cochrane Manufacturing Company. She said, and I quote, I couldn't get men to do the things I wanted in my way until they had tried and failed in their own. And that was costly for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

And it's fucking annoying. It is fucking annoying. Yes. They were like, oh I know! They're like, wow, this doesn't work. You're like, I know it doesn't fucking work, you fucking idiot. I told you to do it not that way. That is why I told you to do it this specific way.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Oh yeah, no, that makes sense now.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

And they're like, oh my god, this way works so much better. If only we had tried this 20 years ago, you're like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Exactly. Yeah, I hate you so much. She was not having it.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Good for her.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

I know. Um that's why she left that, hired George, and started working out of her shit. Because men.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Um at least Mr. Butters can help her get the job done right. He listens. He'll listen. He's malleable like butter. He needs money.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Um I also need money. Excuse me, Bath of May. Um, okay, so alright, so she designed the dishwasher with wire compartments, each especially designed for either plates, cups, or saucers. So she literally measured like all of her dishware specifically to fit in these certain racks.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Yes. Um, and then the compartments were inside a wheel that laid flat. Is it lay or laid? Lay flat. Lay flat.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

I think it's lay flat. There's some parts of grammar that I don't fucking understand. English makes no sense. It's very hard.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

It is the hardest language to learn.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Which is ridiculous when you look at Russian. Yeah. And they're like, oh, that's easier than English. And I'm like, oh my god. It is. I think God I was born knowing this one. I wasn't born knowing it because I was like taught at first, you know. Actually, I was taught actually that's not true. I was taught at second. Spanish is my first language.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Uh sarcasm was mine.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

My first words were more shoes.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

My first words was shit.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Really?

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Yeah. No, it was daddy, and then the next one after that was shit because I lost a ball under a couch and apparently it upset me very much. So I was just like trying to grab for it and I was like, shit, shit, and my mom thought it was hilarious. It is hilarious. It's the last time she ever thought I was funny. Um okay, so right. So the wheels lay flat inside a copper boiler. Um, there was a motor that turned the wheel while hot soapy water sprayed from the bottom and it rained down on the dishes.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Exactly what happens today.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

So she just did it so right that we're like, wow, we don't need to really change anything from here on out.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Yep. It was the first use of water pressure instead of scrubbers to clean.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

She's just a fucking genius. Yeah, because she's the one who always has to wash the fucking dishes. I know. She knows. She's fucking over it. She's like, I hate washing dishes. You know what could wash dishes for me? That thing.

Selling To Institutions And The Fair

SPEAKER_02 28:05

That machine with water power, water pressure. Yeah, what did I say? Water pressure. Water pressure, yes. Um, so she first focused on selling to hotels, restaurants, colleges, and hospitals because her original machine was really, really large. Um, so the first model was the Garrus Cochrane dishwasher, which could wash and dry 240 dishes in two minutes. That's fucking crazy. Okay, I need that one. No, you don't.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Do?

SPEAKER_02 28:36

You you don't have 240 dishes.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Bet. And then when all my family comes to visit, do you know how often I run that fucking dishwasher? It's like twice two to three times a day. Well, stop hosting people. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Except for me. I I'm coming over. Um, right, so since this thing was so fucking big, she had trouble selling the dishwashers to like individual households. Makes sense, specifically housewives. Um, so that's why she focused on you know restaurants and stuff. Um, but other than the fact that it was too expensive for like the common household because it costs between 75 and$100, let that sink in.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

I had to replace my dishwasher recently. I wish it was between$75 and$100.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Oh my god, the last time I got a dishwasher for the house in Mesa, it was over a thousand dollars. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Yeah, I bought mine on sale and it was under a thousand, but it was on sale. Yeah, because that's the only time I replace anything in my house is when I can get it on sale. I mean that's fair. Anyway, I'm like, we're gonna suffer through this shit until like buy it for cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Dude, when this one in this house goes out, I'm gonna be so sad because it's one of those super inefficient ones from the 70s, but it works fucking wonders. Yeah, I will cry.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Dishes are clean.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Yeah, they are not matters. Um okay, so this is kind of where like she's she's a cool, she's a cool gal. Okay, but she kind of lost me in this part because one of her strategies to try and sell to housewives. Do you want to take a guess?

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Your servants or something?

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Essentially, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So one of her strategies pay your servants anymore.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Um so she would portray herself as a wealthy widow who was tired of her servants chipping her fine china. Yes. Um, census records suggested that was not true. Uh the 1870 census 70 census listed no servants in her home. And then the census in 1880 listed everyone.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

So what I don't know is did this servant put her dishes in the dishwasher?

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Yeah, because I mean she invented it, you're gonna use it, bitch. Don't chip my fine china.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

So like, how hard do you get one of these goddamn plates?

SPEAKER_02 31:08

I don't know, dude. I don't know, dude. She lost me a little bit with that one. So anywho. Um, so along with the machines being too expensive for most households, because you know,$75 to$100. Yeah. Uh, most houses actually weren't equipped to handle the requirements for the hot water.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Yeah. Um, so most of her business, like I said, went to like big restaurants and kitchens. Yes. Um, so in 1893, when the World Fair rolled around, she showcased her machine. Um, and she actually won a pr won a prize, uh, which was really good for like publicity and sales. Um, and then she would go on to later fairs with her machine as well in Massachusetts, New York, and Missouri. Um, so the World Fair like helped her a lot. Um the Garris Cochrane Manufacturing Company or the Cochrane's Crescent Washing Machine Company, there's two names. I don't know which one's right.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Um both. It's just like all those people who had like random ass fucking aliases. Yeah. They're like, my name is actually uh Jonathan Benjamin, but you can call me Timmy, and you're like, why the fuck would I call you Timmy? Where did that come from? Where did Tim come from?

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

And they're like, I don't know, I just felt like it. And you're like, no.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Yeah. I just I have no idea which one.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Use your name.

Pabst’s Blue Ribbon At The Fair

SPEAKER_02 32:37

Either way, her company became part of KitchenAid in 1949. Oh, sick. And her dishwasher was introduced to the public. Um, so in the 1950s, there was an increase to the availability of hot water in homes. Um, so there was also a change, and there was also a change in dishwashing detergent because at the time the detergent like left a ridiculous amount of residue and it was like really gross. So they came up with a new formula to leave less residue. Um, and then this changed the attitude toward having an automatic dishwasher in the house. And there we are. The 50s. The 50s. Although I do love 50s looking like kitchens.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Like, you know, at the at the antique mall in that back room, that whole like fridge stove. I love it so much. Me too. I want I want to buy it specifically just to like put it in the basement.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Shove it through the door. Like, this goes here now. I don't care if it's not wired.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

This lives here now! Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

No.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

So that's the automatic dishwasher. Nice. Do you want to take a guess what this last one is?

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Does it replace Grover Cleveland's electric finger?

SPEAKER_02 33:57

No.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

I mean, no.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

So you still have to get your orgasms by prescription. Gotcha. Okay. That's upsetting. Um, what random ass fucking shit do they have? So much random shit. What's that weird ass bike thing?

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Oh, that one with the giant wheel.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Yeah, I talked about it, but I can't remember what the fuck is.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Okay, let me the category is um drinks and food.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Coca-Cola. No. Huh. I don't know. Paps blue ribbon.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Paps blue ribbon.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

PBR.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Did they did they showcase it by playing beer pong and they're like, look, it tastes the same even when it's warm.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

No, but I feel like that would have helped. It would have. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Because refrigeration wasn't widely known, so like sure wasn't. You're like, yeah. Cold, warm, full of dirt from the floor. Tastes the same. It sure does. Don't mind the lint. PBR. PBR. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

You ready?

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

The perfect cheek beer was first introduced to the world at the 1893 fair. Uh, which actually isn't true. Um okay, so by 1893, Frederick Pabst was already established as one of the most successful brewers in the country. Um, he had already won like many awards and accolades in Milwaukee. Um, he had already also sold over a hundred thousand barrels in 1872. Of this Papst Blue Ribbon? Yes. Or of something else. It is essentially Paps Blue Ribbon, but it had a different name.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Um at the time it was known as Pabst Best Select. Yeah. I don't know about the best part, but maybe beer was different back then. Probably. I'm sure it was better than it is now.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Well then what the fuck are they calling Papst good for?

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Oh, I'll get there.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Um, okay. So Pabst is an American lager established in Milwaukee in 1844.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

The brewery was founded by Jacob Best, which is where Best comes from. Okay. Um, and was known as the Best Brewering Company.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

I see. So this is actually just like a play on words to make you think that it's like good beer, but it's actually just like his name's Best. Yes. He's like, yeah, it's the best. He knew what he was doing.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Buy my shit beer.

unknown 36:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

Um, okay. So Frederick Pabst married Jacob's granddaughter Maria and became a brewer in the factory. Um, when the last best retired and moved back to Germany in 1867, Frederick and his brother-in-law, who at the time was the vice president of the brewery, worked together to create one of the largest companies in the nation. Uh, they capitalized oh, sorry, my notes just like switched pages and threw me off. Um, so what's his face? His brother-in-law was now the president, okay, and he was the vice president, Frederick. Um, and they were able to make this like the largest brewery in the nation at the time. They capitalized on the great Chicago fire because it burnt down 19 Chicago breweries.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

And they're like, aren't you sad? Don't you think cheap ass beer would help?

unknown 37:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Everyone's like, yeah, kind of. It would a little bit, yeah. Actually, I would feel better. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Well, since it took out 19 breweries in Chicago, it kind of positioned Milwaukee as the leading beer producing city because they had like a shit ton of breweries at the time, too. So Milwaukee was like, fuck you, Chicago. She was like, oh my god, it's our dad! Maybe it was Milwaukee who started the fire. It was a cow, right? That's what they say.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Yeah. Cow kicked over a lantern, burned the whole fucking city down. Like, are you serious? Good for her, you know. Honestly, with the way that those slaughterhouses were, burn that shit down. She's like, you know what? No more. She kicks over a lantern, she's like, burn, baby, burn. Take down all of you.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Yep, that's exactly what she was doing. She knew what she was doing. Um, all right, so in 1889, Frederick's brother brought Pedrix Brewery. His brother-in-law died. Oh. Uh, leaving Pabst as president. And um, so this is the time when he changed the name from Best to Pabst. And thus the Pabst Brewering Company began. He was like, oh, this bitch is dead.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

So I've been waiting for all you bitches to get out of here. Of like easma. Well, we ain't getting a dinner. Back to work. Love easma. Just cover up everything that says best, puts some fucking pap's face all over it. Yeah, dude, I would. I get it.

The Budweiser Controversy

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Um, so the first thing that he did now that he changed the name and was the president and in charge of the company, uh, he took to the World's Fair. Um, so he kind of used this as a chance to earn national attention. Exactly. I love it. He's like he's like, remember your shit burned down. Here's Milwaukee. It was best, but now it's PAPS. Here it is. Um, yeah, so he took to the World Fair. Um, but since this beer had already like won awards, um, a blue silk ribbon had already been tied to each bottle. Like that was already a thing that was happening, but it kind of set them apart at the fair because they had a blue ribbon on it.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Someone's job is to meticulously tie. Blue ribbons around beer bottles.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Okay, so since they were um already putting the blue ribbon on each bottle, because this was before cans, it totaled in one million of feet, one million feet of ribbon per year. Good god. So much ribbon.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Yeah, so it's a lot of ribbon. I think it's something second to like Santa Claus ordering from this ribbon company.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

It's a lot of ribbon. A lot of fucking ribbon.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

I know. Um but yeah, obviously this blue ribbon kind of set them apart at the fair. Um he created a grand pavilion in the agriculture building. Um, and with this they became one of the final two nominees for America's Best Beer.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

What's the other one? Take a guess. No. Uh Budweiser?

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Yes. Budweiser. I hate Bud.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Now you do. It tastes like sand.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

You can't fool me.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

So yeah, okay. Alright, so this is the interesting part. So they were the last two like final nominees, and it is widely debated on who actually won. Like nobody actually knows who won. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

So Well Paps already has the blue ribbon.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

He yeah, they do. So um, so it said that Budweiser won.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Initially. But one of the judges announced that Budw Nope. Budweiser had chemical impurities.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

I'm sure it fucking did. It's the late 1800s. There's formaldehyde in your meat. What uh yeah, dude, I'm sure it does.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Yeah. Which I and this was due to like a simple measurement issue. So like they just measured something wrong and it tasted like chemicals to this one judge. Okay. So since this one judge had like a little hissy fit, the New York Times wrote that the entire system of awards at the fair was, I qu and I quote, a disgrace to the supposed intelligence of the country.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Thank God journalism isn't overdramatic.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

I know. Um, so since this one judge changed their vote from Budweiser to Pabst, um, there's a lot of confusion on who actually won. Most people believe it was Budweiser, but there was a newspaper article from the Deadwood Pioneer. Okay, so the Deadwood Pioneer tried to clear things up with an article titled Papst Milwaukee Beer Wins, leaving all other statements from other sources unauthorized and misleading. So this one this one photo newspaper is like, it's PAPS bitches, and that's that's it. That's it. But it's still like very widely debated on who actually won. Nobody knows.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

Something like that coming up in like one of my episodes where they're just like they never really like clarified or finalized this thing, but it just like there it was, which is like left open. Yeah, and they still call it this they like they're like, oh yeah, perhaps it's a winner. It's like, not really. The judge changed his mind, and now we don't fucking know. We didn't clear that up at all.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Nobody helped this situation at all. Yeah, pretty much. That's exactly how it is. Um so since they quote unquote won uh after the fair, the name was changed from Pap's Best Select to Paps Blue Ribbon. And people literally, like when they would go to the bars or whatever they had bars. They had bars, okay. It was bars. Um, people would ask their bartenders for the blue ribbon beer. Um, obviously, cans became more popular um to manufacture. So instead of like tying blue ribbons or attempting to tie a blue ribbon on a can.

SPEAKER_01 44:10

That guy quit.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Yeah, he's like, fuck you guys.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

I fucking hate this job now. Um so hard.

From Ribbons To Cans And Legacy

SPEAKER_02 44:16

It made more sense to get rid of the silk ribbon and just put an image of it. So that's why they don't have blue ribbons anymore. Um bring it back, make it fancy. I would buy the bottles if there was blue ribbons on them. Do they still have the bottles? No.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Yes? I don't think so. I don't know. The last time I bought Paps was in like a quality five pack. Yeah. Yeah. In order to get many, many people intoxicated. I don't know. Yeah, that's the best way to do it.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

I have to look it up. Paps. Ribbon bottles. Oh, they do.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

They do.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

Yeah, but it looks just like a fucking course. It's nothing fancy.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Okay, so this is just me reaching out to Paps because I'm sure that they're gonna hear this. The CEO is tuning in. Um bring back the ribbons. Bring back the ribbons. I want to see the fucking ribbon.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Yeah. I'll buy your beer more if you buy your shit beer if you put a ribbon on it.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Make me feel pretty.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

It's been three long years. I love that song. I know. You Dan didn't know what it was the other day, and I started screaming it at him. Remember?

SPEAKER_01 45:30

It's a great song because it's on my it's on my new CD. Yeah. The best of the warriors. Thanks for your digest. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

And focus. Um, okay. So in the 1950s, the company added the line selected as America's best in 1893 to drum up sales, even though it's not a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Budweiser's just like, no.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Budweiser like, you son of a bitch, fucking liars. It was us, it was that one measurement. Ah. Um, the Pabst Pavilion that was in the agricultural building, it was dismantled, but they brought it back to Frederick's home, and it now serves as the entrance to the house, museum, and gift shop of the Pabst Mansion.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah. So one of my students went to the Silver City Museum the other day when we we had our internet down and he was showing me pictures of like all the things that they saw and like telling me about it, and then he goes, Oh, and this is the gift shop. I was like, honestly, also one of my favorite parts. I was like, I like I I like the knowledge. I also want my trinkets. He's like, same. And I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Yeah, I bought a deck of old made cards from that gift shop.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Like, quite frankly, if you don't have a gift shop, I am less interested in what you have to tell me. Yeah. Because I would like to commemorate my time here with a magnet or a sticker. Exactly. Of some sort.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yes, that's what I do. I wish you'd be like, or it's usually a mug.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

A mug would be good. Yeah. Yeah, like I would like I would like to commemorate this. Like, I went to the Mark Twain House. So interesting. Great time, lovely guided tour. If you ever go, general public, I recommend the the one where you have like the character take you around. It was so much fun. It was so interactive. Uh it was great. Um and you could just see the basement. Which I do like to see on the regular tour. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

Dude, Squirrel, um, they're fucking doing tours in the basement at the haunted now. Or Zacus Museum.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

I know. What the fuck? I know. Vanessa went and she was like terrifying. And I was like, she said that you're not allowed to stop. I wouldn't. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about this. I don't fucking care. You know what? Eventually we'll be big enough and it'll be the problem of a lawyer that we have. Um if Zach ever listens to this, it's gonna be someone else's problem.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Yeah. Alright, listen, Zach.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Our lawyer better be named Butters. And he better have big circle glasses.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Or Butterworth. Something with butter.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

And a big bow tie.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Cute. Is he Jewish?

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

I need But he's not practicing. I need him to be Jewish. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

No matter what he is, he's not practicing.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Like he still likes to menora, but like that's it. Because it's just kind of fun.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

I mean, I get it. That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Um no. I didn't go into that one fucking room in his museum. Why the fuck would I go into the basement?

unknown 48:35

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

But anyways, you can go in at the Mark Twain house, and it's not that scary, and it's really fun to see. But I appreciated that they had a gift shop full of books.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

And t-shirts.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

And fun stuff. I spent well I spent about half like I we went to the tour, that took about an hour, and I spent another like 34 to 5 minutes shopping.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

That's what I do every time I go to like a zoo, a museum, anywhere. I spend most of my time like when Please provide me a gift shop. Like when me and Joey went to the Kennedy Space Center MOOC Space Center. Yeah. I spent most of my time looking for gifts for you. It's like oh like a spaceship.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

I go, yeah, every time I go sticker. Every time I go to the museums like in Chicago, they have like like by the U505 in the Science Center, which is amazing because you get to go on an actual submarine. They have like a little gift shop outside. Gotta go.

unknown 49:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

It's not even the main one, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Yeah. And then I have to go to the main one on the way out.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

That's what I did.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Sometimes on the way in, I'll make Danny stand and get tickets and I go to the gift shop.

unknown 49:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

And I pre-look, you know, just like a pre-look.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Yeah. What you got here for me? That's literally where I spend most of my time. So I totally get it. But it seems like they turned Frederick's house. They turned Frederick's house, which is the Paps Mansion, into a museum. And then they used the pavilion, the original pavilion from the 1893 World's Fair as the entrance to the gift shop. So clearly we have to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Yeah. I mean, like, shit on Paps as a starter, but I want to go see it though.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

I'll go to Milwaukee. Yeah.

unknown 50:14

Yeah.

Gift Shops, Museums, And Travel Plans

SPEAKER_02 50:14

Okay, let's go. Cool. Um, so that's the history of Pabst um and their time at the at the World Fair, where they may or may not have won America's Best Beer. But now PBR is one of the most popular cheap beers among college fraternities. And was used by all millennials to fill cups in beer pong. Because we actually filled the cup with beer.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

And eventually you stopped caring how many floaties are in there.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

I'm sure we had so many diseases.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

No, I'm like picturing it now. I'm like, that's so unsanitary.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

Well, that ball would roll in the dirt, we'd still pick it up and throw it.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Can you quickly just rinse it in your dirty ass water cup and you're like, see, clean. And you just down it.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

It's alcohol. It's it'll it's fine, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:07

It's like 0.2% alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

This is America's best we're talking about. Oh dare you! You son of a bitch!

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Oh college. So, before I forget, and we close this out, um we have an email address. Oh, cool. Oh shit!

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Okay, yes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Yeah. I'll do it right now. And by the time this comes out, we're gonna have an Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Um, I am gonna be honest with you, I refuse to do a Facebook. That's fine. Okay, so like probably just Instagram. Yeah. Maybe other things, like if it actually if we actually need it, but yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Yeah, no, I I don't really use Facebook, unfortunately. Um I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

You keep sending me shit and I never open it.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

That's because Danny sends me reels and then I just keep scrolling. And I just get lost in it. I'm like, oh my god. Anyways, I use it for like marketplace, and that's about it. So it's not very good for us. Um I'm not much of a social media person. Instagram is really the only thing I use. So same, same. That's where we'll find us. Um but we have an email address. It is that's so macaronipodcast at gmail.com. And we would love for you guys to write in stories. Um, any stories that you have, like your family stories, your town stories, your favorite story from history, suggestions of things for us to cover in the future. We we want to hear all of it. Um so in your email, if you could share if we can say your name and what your preferred pronouns are, so that we don't muck it up. That'd be super fantastic. Um, yeah, I want to hear all of the stories. I, you know, like I say, you are history. You like we all make it happen. So I want to hear everyone's fucking stories. Yes. Um, please, please, please, and thank you. Well, anyways, thanks, Dingle Dandies. We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

We'll see you later.