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PARTY CRASHERS: The case against Australia's Political Duopoly
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Political choice doesn't exist in Australia. It literally means picking between two dominant forces. Our current the system breeds backroom deals, narrow thinking, and a disconnect from all Australians - other than the political class - the winners even if they lose an election. So what could replacing it do? Could a different model unlock greater freedom, representation, and trust?
You better believe it.
A conversation with Mike Holt.
You're listening to the Cheryl Lacey Show, where curiosity meets courage. And joining us now is Mike Holt, our Common Law commentator, and we're going to be having quite an interesting conversation this morning. Mike, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_00Thank you, and what a wonderful way to start the day with the sound of Johnny and uh his wonderful voice. I love that man, and I get goose jump goosebumps every time I listen to him.
SPEAKER_01I look, I could play his entire CD, but I think I'd get into strife with those that aren't so keen, but I couldn't agree with you more. He's got he's actually renowned for being one of the few people in the world with such an extraordinary voice. Uh he's well, well regarded and respected worldwide, and uh I agree with you. Couldn't be prouder to have an Australian with such talent.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01Now, Mike, we've been having these conversations for a few months now regarding common law, Australia's constitution, and the way our country is being governed. And I'm constantly getting phone calls and messages after our conversations, and the big one is how do we affect the change? That's the first one. How soon can we affect change? But more importantly, and this is what we're going to discuss a bit today, and then we might get on to the rest of it if we have time, what does success look like with a new governance structure? Because I wonder whether or not if if Australians realize and understand the value of change and what it means for them, there'll be a bigger groundswell of movement. Would you agree with that?
SPEAKER_00I I do, and I think if you look at voting trends over the last fifty years, uh people have been gulled or or fooled into believing that the only way to govern this country is through the political parties, which is a total fallacy because the political parties are dedicated to furthering furthering their own power, not to serving we the people. And we just see this. I mean, they make all these wonderful promises before the elections, and what happens afterwards? They've lied.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's true, and the issue that we have, and again we're talking about the issues and we'll move to the positives in a minute, the issue we have is that we get promises at election time so that they do get back into power and then they stop talking to us, and we don't get to have any say in the decisions that are being made in Parliament once they've been re-elected or once they've been elected.
SPEAKER_00No, there'sn't there's no accountability, and this is the problem of course, but where can we how can we start to change things? Well, the first step is education. People don't understand their rights, nor do they understand the law and how they stand in the law. You know, a lot of people still believe that um councils are st are a third uh tier of government, and we have voted in two at possibly three referendums in the past to deny them that power. And yet now they come over here and and tell us what we have to do. And if we don't pay their rates, they steal people's homes, they put people in all sorts of financial difficulties, and uh this has got to stop. There's no accountability to these people, and they don't have the authority, they have assumed the power.
SPEAKER_01Now you've talked about education, and yes, I agree we need to be educated, and that's why I have you on the show each each week for my listeners to be able to get a better context around the proposed changes that you're suggesting. And you are getting quite a groundswell of support around the country, but still not enough to affect the change required. Very in a very short sort of overview, just tell us and tell my listeners what Australia would look like under a different governance system.
SPEAKER_00Well, as I said, we've got to start with the education system and not just for the children but also ad adults. We need to um educate them in their uh rights and responsibilities, and from those responsibilities we propose changing the whole um infrastructure of Australia, reducing the size of the electorates, creating uh a situation or an organization where the people determine how they want to govern themselves. Not be governed, but to govern ourselves, and that can only happen with people who are who are informed and aware of their rights and freedoms. So uh again it comes back to education, but what would it look like afterwards uh or as we develop this? Well, as people take more responsibility for their their um uh part in being part of the uh the community, uh they will stop voting for political parties, and I've got a tool that will help them to do that, but once they stop v voting for political parties and they elect representatives who will directly represent their interests, and by directly interacting with the community that they represent and learning what the community wants, then going back into original government and implementing those things, um, we would end up with people who feel pride in their country, in their community, but more than that, they would be able to live free. They wouldn't have all these government restraints on them, they wouldn't have fines coming in the door every day. Um they would be educated to take responsibility for their actions, and that's one of the problems we face today. Youth today doesn't understand what's responsibility and taking care of your own interests properly. Uh they don't understand this concept because it's not taught in schools.
SPEAKER_01No, it's not taught in schools, and we've had a l many, many decades of this control, government control, and essentially it's a socialist system that we have for education, health and others, particularly education, because we have a collectivist model. And the teachers themselves, to their credit, are saying they don't want a one-size-fits-all model. Unfortunately, what happens is that that conversation ends with the students. It doesn't continue to them as educators because they're quite satisfied with the collectivist model because it means the merit and, as you said, responsibilities aren't there. And it's very frustrating to flip that, and I'm working hard on that at present to present to school leaders ways in which we can start that change. It's got to happen from the bottom up in the first instance. And our families need to really understand, exactly as you said, Mike, if our governance system is not understood. And if our schools and our school leaders don't understand governance, then our children won't, therefore society won't. And that's what's happened over decades.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and it's been a a deliberate um tactic employed by the the so-called political leaders, and it's not just the political leaders in our parliament, it goes way higher than that, right back to um the World Economics uh Forum and also to the the Vatican, because the Vatican plays a very big part in everything that Australia does. Do you know the Vatican owns a vast amount of Australian property?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I know that I know the Vatican is heavily involved. As you said, we've got these international organisations, be it the the UN, uh World Economic Forum, uh we've got the Vatican, we've got uh super funds, we've got the the big, big uh investment corporations like Vanguard, the list goes on. So what that actually means is that we are lacking that independence and we're forgetting that society consists of families at the outset, and that's how communities uh evolve and unfold, and it's there where our loyalty and responsibility begins.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And this is what my futureclan.earth website proposes taking away the power from those at the top who just command us and putting the power in the hands of the people to make decisions for themselves and for their families and their communities. And it this what we're proposing is bottom-up governance rather than top-down. Now, the the problem is that the the polit political parties have signed us up to many, many um uh what's what's the word, contracts with the United Nations, and there's one I I urge your readers to find. Uh it's it's you can find it at legislation.gov.au, and then if you go on there and and look for acts, this one is called the Charter of the United Nations Act 1945, and it is registered on the 10th of November 2021. So look for the right version because there are quite a number of versions online. But one of the most telling things is Article 7. Uh sorry, no, not seven. Should be. Can't remember where it is now. Anyway, it says that the um the crown is superseded now by the United Nations. Now I don't recall ever voting for the United Nations to govern Australia, do you?
SPEAKER_01No, I don't, but you're talking about just to take a step back there, you've said it's the uh legislation, the Charter of uh United Nations Act nineteen forty-five. Right. Now, did that uh superseding of the Crown uh by uh the UN happen in nineteen forty-five, or are you saying it occurred in twenty twenty-one, the updated version?
SPEAKER_00I honestly don't know, um, because uh this was only sent to me the other day and I don't really understand the whole thing yet, but uh here it is. In num section four, the act binds the crown. It says number one, this act binds the crown in right of the commonwealth of each of the states, of the Australian Capital Territory and of the Northern Territory. And two, nothing in this act renders the crown in any right liable to be prosecuted for an offence. And there's the problem right there. Okay, so we are bound uh through their crown, not not the Commonwealth of Australia crown, which is actually the British crown, but through the fake crown created by Bob Hawke through his um Australia Act. And so uh that binds the crown, their crown, to the United Nations. I didn't sign up for the United Nations to tell me how to live my life?
SPEAKER_01No, none of us did. None of us did. Now, in fairness, Mike, this is where we get a little bit lost sometimes because we're we're going down a few different rabbit holes here. And the questions that I'm getting from listeners is when will change happen? When will Australia know that something is on foot? When will Australia know that there is an opportunity for this education to occur? We can't rely on governments, we've got to rely bottom up. That's a huge movement required, a huge campaign required. Sure, you've got some ideas and they are outstanding ideas that I'm sharing as widely as I possibly can, and building a a base with you, it's not happening fast enough for some people.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's the problem, isn't it? What are the people doing? This has to come from the people. Remember, I said it has to come from the bottom up. We the people are the are the the people who empower our representatives. And if we don't keep them in track, i i you know, if we don't look after our rights, then we deserve everything we get. So how fast is this going to happen? First of all, the people have to decide they want to change. Now that doesn't happen at the ballot box, it happens inside their head. They've got to start understanding that they've got to change first. Right? Every journey starts with one step and it starts with one person. I decide what I want, and then I go for it. And how c how soon can we get it going? Well, as you know, I'm working on on a uh with a team and we're developing a a whole s um program now which will uh essentially free Australians from this political power uh dictatorship. The first step in that is developing the um the voting app, which is a digital voting app based on the blockchain, so it can't be hacked. And we're going to encourage people to vote, get onto that app and start learning how to vote properly on issues that affect them at at the time, rather than waiting three years for a big bang election and when nothing happens.
SPEAKER_01Right. So with this voting app, with this voting app, before we get the governance of the people under apps and part of that whole system of change that you've been sharing with us, the voting app can still operate and function as a process to actually get the governance change, or do we have to wait until the governance change?
SPEAKER_00No, the first step is to to sign people up and we've got a um we've got a program they're going to put in place to encourage people to sign up and they'll want to sign up because we'll be giving them financial incentives. I can't tell you exactly how just yet, but it's um it's based on our gross national product and many other factors. Um so you know, once we do that, people will start signing up and then we'll give them things to vote on, you know, ideas to vote on. Would you like this? What would you like in that? And that will get people used to voting, and as long as they vote once a month, they will be paid for voting. Now this sounds like, oh, we're just going to hijack everything by paying people to vote. No, it's not like that. What we're doing is we're rewarding them for taking an active interest in their community and voting to improve it. So it's got nothing to do with buying their vote, it's got everything to to do with helping them to educate themselves first. Um so that's the first step. But coupled with that, you mo you've probably already seen what we're doing with the banks, and we've already served the banks uh with notices that they now owe the Australian people trillions of dollars that was lent to them about sixty years ago by a series of trusts around the world. Now, banks all over the world got this money, it was meant to be de for to spend on developing their nations. The banks stole the money instead and never developed our nation. In fact, all I've seen so far in the last 50 or 60 years is destruction of our nation. So um once we start taking back control of our s our monetary system, uh our money will then go on to the gold standard and we won't be printing money in any time we like. It'll be based on a number of factors, including our total wealth, the gross national product each year, and many other factors, so that the value of our money is based on the productivity and wealth of our country. How does that sound?
SPEAKER_01It sounds great. And you're listening to the Cheryl Lacey show we're community.
SPEAKER_00No, I don't think that was what started things at all.
SPEAKER_01So it was theft, basically.
SPEAKER_00It was theft theft. I mean, the the banks and the politicians are exceedingly greedy. I mean, how much money how much um profit do banks pr uh post each year here in Australia? It's it's phenomenal.
SPEAKER_01And so this this uh serving of papers, where have those papers gone and what and what will the impact be? Which courts are going to hear this?
SPEAKER_00Well, we've already started actually. We've we've been writing um a document, uh like an affidavit, basically, and the other day one of my colleagues took it into court and he just totally wiped the court with this um this document because he didn't go in there with the standard arguments, oh I'm a free man, I'm a living flesh and blood man, and all of that. He went in with the law in his in his hand and he just presented it to the judge. And the judge took one look at it and understood what was going on. The of uh the lawyers were laughing their heads off, thinking this guy is crazy, but the judge didn't think so. So we're we're testing it out in the local courts now. But basically what will happen is we're also preparing, um, we've already star started serving the banks with notices to return them money. Now that's the second step. Uh first step was telling them what the money was uh and and where it came from and how much was owed back to us. So the second step now we're doing that, and then uh the third step will be if they don't return the money, then we take them to the International Criminal Court and the International Criminal Court of Justice, and we start serving them with the paperwork uh indictments. So they will be summoned to these courts. Now not even um Bill Gates could get out of being forced to appear in the court at the International Criminal Court uh just recently. So they have some pretty strong teeth and we're backed by them. In fact, one of one of their judges is actually on our board.
SPEAKER_01Well that's that's good news, that's good to hear. Now, where does the Vatican fit in here? Are are they involved in any way in terms of being served papers given their influence in Australia?
SPEAKER_00Well, not directly as far as I know. Um obviously a lot of the information then um that I'm referring to is still compartmentalized and I don't know the full story for obvious reasons. I can't talk about it, and that way we can keep things secret until we're ready to move. I you you've read uh Sun Tzu, The Art of War, right?
SPEAKER_01That's correct, yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well we uh we adhere to that pretty closely.
SPEAKER_01So, Mike, let's let's go fast forward five years from now. And we have had an education campaign from the ground up, and people are aware of their rights and responsibilities as citizens and people are starting to enjoy greater freedoms. In five years' time our population growth has increased or stabilized. Do you factor in those types of things in in this conversation and in this plan?
SPEAKER_00No, I don't think it it the population increase or decrease has got anything to do with it. I think it's got to come from, as I said, the people. And what will happen is that people will start finding that they can live their lives free of fear. Now I I from the interactions that I have with a lot of people, they are in fear. And on my Thursday night shows, I have quite a few people coming in there and they start talking, and you can sense the fear straight away. They don't know what to do with the government, they're afraid of the government. And as one famous American uh said, um when the govern when the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is freedom, and that's what we people would be living like when we start implementing these changes and getting rid of the tyranny. People will live free and they can make their own decisions. Now one of the big factors that people are stuck in, they have to go to work every day to make money. Now, if you go to somewhere like Kuwait, people they uh there don't have to work, they live off their oil revenues, and that's a very smart move because it frees people up to do other things that benefit the nation or their community. And uh I see this is gonna happen here in Australia too. At the same time, we will rebuild our military, and not only that, we'll supplement it with a civil military force to defend our nation. And our military will not be sent overseas uh because some other state says, Oh, you've got to come and support us in a war, unless the people vote for it. So the people will decide on government policy because that's the way it should work. So there'll there'll be many other benefits, but I those are just a couple of things. Another thing is that there will be no more direct um taxation. The only people who or the only organizations that will pay taxation are the businesses that generate the income and wealth of the country.
SPEAKER_01And from that context, what we're saying is if you want to work and you earn fifty dollars an hour, that fifty dollars an hour stays in your pocket. You're not taxed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yep. And that's uh just that alone is an incentive for people to start understanding what it is that you're proposing. Posing Mike because it it is it it is overwhelming for many people and what I've been learning more than anything else when I'm having conversations with members of the community about your vision is the fallback to the political parties. So to give you an example, yesterday I was speaking with an older gentleman and he said, Well give me the paperwork and I'll and I'll see if I can get some of the Liberal Party members to have a look at it. And it's well they're not going to help me. He said, But but well they're in opposition. We need to get them back in power and they'll affect change. I said, No, they won't. And uh so we still have to dismantle the the structure in in the minds of Australian citizens, as you said. It it comes back to saying, let's put what we've got to the side for a moment, let's have a blank slate. What is possible and what can occur? And when we have those conversations, I think that we'll get far greater traction, Mike.
SPEAKER_00Exactly, and that's exact that's just what we need to do. We need to get back to the start of things. We've got to wipe the s white slate clean and build a whole new structure. That's not going to happen overnight, and as I said, it's all based on education at first. People have to change the way they think, and that old gentleman is typical of many, many Australians who've been trained to think in terms of teams. It's the it's the same with football, right? Oh, I I barrack for this team, I barrack for the Liberals because my father has always barracked for them. That's not a way to run your country. That's just sheer stupidity.
SPEAKER_01It certainly is sheer stupidity, but you have a vision, Mike, and we're going to continue to share that vision as much as we possibly can on the show and get this education movement happening as quickly as we can. Thanks for being on the show, Mike.
SPEAKER_00My pleasure. Just one more thing. Yep. If you want to learn about common law, go onto our website, commonlaw.education.
SPEAKER_01Well done. Thank you. Excellent, Mike. Speak to you next week.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. You're listening to the Cheryl Lazy Show, and we just had Mike Holt, our Common Law commentator, talking about changing the governance structure in Australia.