DEZI FREEMAN - The manhunt is over. Seeking the truth has just begun

Freeman, - sovereign citizen nutter and cop murderer! Or Freeman, - brave advocate for truth and justice. My sources say the day 10 police officers arrived on his property with a search warrant, was a day involving Dan Andrews and treason. Mainstream media says he was an alleged child-sex abuser. Australia's biggest ever manhunt, spanning over 200 days has come to an end. Seeking the truth has just begun.  

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome to the Cheryl Lacey Show where curiosity meets courage. We have Mike Holt on the line, and we're going to be discussing the manhunt that came to a tragic end with Desi Freeman murdered. This is a manhunt that began in August of last year. Sadly, we had Neil Thompson and Vadem Wart Hotart killed in a shooting at a property in Porpunker in August last year, which is where this whole tragedy started. But there seems to be more to this. And one thing that I'm finding fascinating is when you go back over the media reports when this first began in August last year and what is actually in the media today, start joining the dots of media reporting that I think we need to be thinking seriously about as citizens, because the first thing that comes to mind for me is that whole notion of innocent until proven guilty, and it seems that we don't have that because people can be found guilty via the media before there's ever been a court case. Mike, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Good morning, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:23

I'm well, thank you. It's quite a tragic set of circumstances, isn't it? One of the worst things that I have experienced in opening up the paper this morning was to see that and I'm sorry for our listeners if it's going to be upsetting, but to hear a police officer saying that someone killed looked like Swiss cheese. It's horrific what's happening in the media at the moment, and regardless of circumstance, who's been right or wrong and how many have been killed and what the manhunt is all about, we've got to remember that there are people who are suffering from the death of Desi Freeman as much as people were suffering and still are the deaths of those police officers. So there seems to be a lack of humanity despite the terrible circumstances.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Oh, there's a lot more than that, and there's so many questions. And to be honest with you, I find the the narrative put out by the media to be very, very disturbing, so full of holes and obvious lies. Now, a few years ago, back in 2019, and I had I'd been in touch with Desi for quite a while before that, but I wrote an article after he arrested the court in Wangarrata.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Hang on, before you talk about the article, you're saying there was a court case in Wangaratta. Is this when he was wanting a citizen's arrest with a magistrate?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Well, he wasn't wanting to, but when you went into court and found so much corruption and lies against him, yes, he arrested the judge and the police who refused to arrest the judge.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Right, okay. So just for our listeners, a citizen's arrest, what is a citizen's arrest and how is it achieved?

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Okay. Basically a citizen's arrest is when you see somebody committing a crime, you have a duty in the law to citizens arrest that person. Now that doesn't mean to go out go up and put hands on them. You only have to utter the words, and then you go to a police station and file a report. But of course, we know with the corruption in the police force this very rarely ever happens. So we have a real problem in Australia, and the police who are supposed to be protecting us are not. And this seems to be coming from this whole business with Desi. I can't believe it, because I know Desi. He was a good Christian family man. Uh he was very much into um bushcraft and you know, he loved nature. He's got a t a two-year-old son, Chompey, who's a wonderful little kid, and a wonderful wife. Now, unfortunately, his wife, Marlee, is now under a suppression order. She can't talk to any of us about it. And I believe her other sons may be under the same same suppression order. So this is what they do. They put you on a suppression order just as they did to me, and then they go after you. Now, it this all started back in twenty nineteen when Jesse was fighting against an attempt to block the community's right of access to Mount Buffalo National Park along the Buffalo Creek Road in Myrtlefoot. And uh he was self-represented, and he fought against local lawyer Charles Morgan and Rick Bar bar barrister Timothy Clark, Timothy Chalk from Caston Chambers at 460 Line, Lonsdale Street, Melbourne, and he's fought very hard to uh stop this trans you know travesty of justice. And as he said, it's ridiculous that I have to come to court nine times now just for bushwalking. It's an all insult to our community and the tourism industry and a gross waste of taxpayers' money to even debate our access along a road that has been used to access Mount Buffalo for over one hundred years. And there is much more to this case, and it's on my website.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Okay, so just to take a step back, 2019 Desi Freeman was involved in trying to sort out how best to ensure freedoms for people to enjoy the pastime of bushwalking.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

And a simple goodwill initiative of a citizen then led to the citizens' arrest of the magistrate. So can you connect those two dots, please?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Well, because he kept on uh disobeying their orders and walking up the track, they arrested him and they dragged him into court.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Right. So he was arrested for doing something that had been going on, as you said, for over a hundred years, on a track that was freely available to all, and it was decided that that track would no longer be available.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yes, they just shut it.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

And there was no communication with the community, it was just shut, and he was wanting to keep it open. So he gets arrested for walking on a track.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Okay, goes to magistrates' court. Next step.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Well he said the Ranked Magistrates Court is attempting to contradict the Supreme Court, which it has no authority to do. So he Jesse knew the law and he was very good at it, and he used to go into the courts there very prepared. He took in sheaves of paperwork. So he said it is clearly not a court of competent jurisdiction and has ignored overwhelming evidence presented by Mr. Freeman. The way this course has been handled and the treatment of Mr. Freeman is disturbing to say the least. That was by Mr. Resch, who is an associate of Freeman. Now and so he said that Watkins, Magistrate Watkins had no answer when directly challenged on constitutional matters and granted power. Of course not. They're sitting in treason there. They do not have the right to sit in judgment of anyone in Australia because it it doesn't conform to the Constitution.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

And as we know that anything at the state level, if there is conflict between State and Commonwealth, Commonwealth overrides that.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Apparently, yes. I can't remember all the details. It's quite a long time ago, and I'm holding. But I've got it all in writing here, so you can read it on my website.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Great, okay. We're on the Cheryl Lacey Show where Curiosity Meets Courage, and we're having a courageous conversation about the background in history that led to Desi Freeman's attempted arrest and then his subsequent fleeing and the manhunt, they say Australia's greatest manhunt, that came to a tragic end when he was murdered.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Was he though?

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Well what do you mean by that, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Well, there's a lot of questions about this, you know, Cheryl. There's no body, there's no body cam footage. We only have to take the word of what the media has told us.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Where's the body? So what would normally happen in these circumstances what when you say where's the body?

SPEAKER_01 8:21

I well, I'm no police expert, but surely the the body should be available to his family, and we've heard nothing about that. Um we don't know, you know, if he was full of holes like a Swiss cheese. Come on, that is a very raphic and nasty description from somebody, but it doesn't sound real.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

It doesn't sound real, and I I'm not sure how this plays out. One of the things that I picked up was that he pulled out a gun that he had stolen, allegedly, from one of his victims back in August of last year. So I'm trying to visualize that, where he's allegedly killed two police officers and then still was in a position to run to one of those police officers take their gun. Yeah. And how did that occur? How many people were at his property last year? How many police officers went to arrest him? It was a large number.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

They tell us ten cops turned up, three got shot, two killed. So where were the other seven cops after the one got shot in the leg?

SPEAKER_00 9:32

The first one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Were they hiding behind the trees or were they just standing around casually watching all this happening? There's so many questions, Sheryl.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

There are indeed. So what do we do with this, Mike? There there will be people saying this is ridiculous, he was an evil man, just drop it, let the media do their job and we get on with life. He deserves to die, as uh even our Prime Minister Albanese said, uh, that he deserved to die. Now that's a terrible, terrible thing to say about anybody regardless of circumstance. How does the community start to move forward in understanding the best way to unpack media in this case?

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Well, first of all, don't believe it. Question everything. Any statement that they make must be questioned. And then what happened to uh innocent unless proven guilty? Now you said until. I always say unless because it that means that there is questions. Right? So un unless he was taken to court and put on trial, now I don't care whether he shot a cop or not. The fact is he, like every other Australian, was entitled to his day in court. They denied him that. Now, whether he was shooting the cops yester yesterday, again, there's questions about that. Where would he get a gun from? I just find the whole thing very, very disturbing. Now, the thing we've got to remember though is that Desi was a crack shot. He he used to go to the gun range or quite often. He's a very the coach caught he was an accomplished bushman. So he would have had no trouble going into the bush and then heading north, and that's what I would have done if it had been me. I would have gone straight out of Victoria. I wouldn't walked if necessary, and into New South Wales and just kept going until I found somewhere where I could hide out safely. And but they're saying that he didn't do that. Now Tesla was a very intelligent young man. I think he he's I don't know that he's still you know that he's dead.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Well, I find it quite fascinating this property that he was allegedly staying at, owned by a Tasmanian person, and right on the Murray River that's very, very fertile land. And it seems very odd that there would be this property that has got all this garbage on it. I think more will unfold about the ownership of that property. So I agree with you that there are questions there too. Mike, you've talked on the show a number of times about sovereign citizens. As you've said, our ability to do a citizen's arrest, which Desi Freeman had done in the Magistrates' court back in 2019. What's also interesting is that he protested vaccines and lockdowns and refused to wear masks, and that was considered a dreadful thing to do. Well, we know, of course, that there were thousands of us doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

And he was allegedly prosecuting privately Dan Andrews, our former Victorian Premier, for treason. Now, this is a gentleman who wasn't afraid to call things out. Now, you might say that's a bit far-fetched the treason, but not so when we know now what we know about vaccines and lockdowns.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Right. And and there's a lot more to that story because he had actually summoned Andrews to court on the day that the police attacked him.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

So on the day they went to his property and the two police officers were shot dead and others injured, Desi Freeman say that again?

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Well, I haven't seen the court records, but uh purportedly he had summoned Dan Andrews to court and charged him with treason. Now if it I I as I said, I haven't confirmed this, so if anybody has confirmation of that, please get in touch with me, Mike at myholeshow.com.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Mike, that's extraordinary. Again, as you said, there are things that will continue to unfold here, and people will say there's conspiracy theories everywhere, people will say that there's all sorts of nonsense on community radio and uh podcasts and X and social media. However, we know that the mainstream media is just as dangerous if we don't get to the truth, and you've started to unpack some quite serious issues that if we are curious and we are courageous, we can uncover all of this together. Yes?

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Thank you. Mike, thank you very much. Is there anything that you'd like to say just before we wrap up the conversation?

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yes, I think the the community needs to ask very serious questions.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Absolutely. And not just about this case, but the fact that someone was prepared to prosecute former Victorian Premier Dan Andrews for treason, you don't do that lightly. So clearly there are so many more issues that will potentially unfold as a result. Thanks for being on the show, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Speak to you soon.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Something to think about.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Absolutely. That was Holt. He is our c correspondent, and we were just talking about Dizzy Freeman and his death, and allegedly quite a lot behind that. Not everything is as it seems.