LAWFUL REBELLION: ASIO AND THE SUNSET CLAUSE

A bill moving through parliament seeks to make ASIO's powers indefinite. No sunset clause, no expiry, no end date. But we have a long and legitimate tradition of lawful rebellion, of scrutinising, challenging and resisting laws that threaten the freedoms this country is built on. 

"What does this bill mean for ordinary Australians, and what does it look like to push back, lawfully, loudly and together?"

A conversation with Mike Holt

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Education is the key to all things which enables us to have a say about how we live our lives. And it seems that ASIO has decided that's not going to be the case. It's good to have Mike Holt on the show to discuss that very issue. Thanks for coming on the show, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Thank you. And isn't this a nice quandary we're in?

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Oh, indeed. But I have to say, often when you're listening to independent politicians, it gets a bit concerning because you're not sure which way they're going to jump. But Spender and Babbitt are two names that come to mind, who are really quite outspoken on this ACO issue. And for our listeners, it's all about proposing warrants for detention of people in various ways. And some of our independent politicians are saying you cannot make this permanent. It is a problem, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Oh, very big problem. And if you read the proposal, it is draconian, it is against all our rights, it is basically it's communism. Let's face it, the warrant types are questioning warrant for adults, persons 18 years or older, and then they've got another one for minors age 14 to 18.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

I couldn't believe that when I saw that. Here we have a government saying under 16 you can't be on social media, but if between 14 and 16 we're going to have a warrant for you to be questioned, and that questioning doesn't require a lawyer to be there because we can question you regardless, and we're going to make sure that you must submit any evidence in whatever capacity, even without your lawyer's approval or support.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

When you look at what they're saying here, when with reference, say to duration and detention, questioning can last up to 24 hours in total. I I get visions of the Nazi SS beating somebody in a cellar. This is what it looks like. And then it goes on to talk about the coercive nature of it. Subjects are compelled to answer questions and produce items, overriding the common law privilege against self-incrimination, although the answers cannot generally be used against them in criminal proceedings. What sort of an act is that?

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Oh look, it it needs unpacking, Mike, and f again for our listeners, it's very hard to take all this in a short space of time. If we're very clear about what's happening and putting it very simply, this legislation introduced by the Albanese government talks about ASIO having the power and authority to essentially in interrogate citizens at whim, based on other laws, because they're all interconnected, and essentially torture Australian citizens.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like. And just for our listeners, this goes against our inalienable rights. We are born with the right to do whatever we want as far as we don't hurt people. And this is going to override it. But the fact is, even though they're saying, Oh, you are going to be compelled to answer questions and produce items, no, we're not. We can just say no. And there's nothing they can do about it short of beating you up. And if they do that, you've got a great case.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

So y I hope you're not suggesting that we all just sit around and wait to get beat it up, but I understand your point there, is that you can say no. No one this whole freedom of speech issue, we're being told that, oh, y we can't say this, we can't say that, we can say what we like, as long as we're respectful of others. And people seem to forget that.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Pan pansies like Albo, who can't even hand handle being mocked with a picture of him in a tutu, a pink tutu, by the way. These people are they're narcissists and they're psychotic. Let's face it. That's what you've got to organ tell these people. They're not human beings.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

And the other issue I really am concerned about is the distractions from this. So Rolf Babbitt from the United Australian Party has res refused to accept a sanction that's been put on him by the IPSC, which is the Independent Parliamentary Standards Committee. Now he is under attack for some social media comments. Now, if he's under attack for social media comments, he's also essentially safe because he's a politician. But is this the sort of thing that this ASIO bill can pick you up on and interrogate you over?

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yes, exactly that. And I have the greatest respect for Ralph Babbitt. He's the only senator in in that parliament who's actually got the guts to stand up and point out the truth. And good on him for not refusing to accept any sanctions from them. They do not deserve any respect from anyone. They are just dogs, in my respect in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

We we're all entitled to our own opinions, and you've made yours very clear. Getting back to this ASIO thing, I don't think this is about opinion anymore. It's a genuine threat to Australian citizens, their freedoms. And from what I understand, it's not just what happens in Australia. If we think about going back to October last year when we had that dreadful massacre in Bondi and which has rolled over to the anti-Semitism Royal Commission and various bills that are being put in place there, there's the issue of borders as well. So if you're overseas and you do or say something or you mix with somebody that your ASEO doesn't like, then not only can they either deny you access back into Australia, but I wonder whether or not they can drag you back and under this ASO bill essentially not only interrogate you but destroy your soul by keeping you under wraps for 24 hours with constant interrogation.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yes, and this has basically happened to me, Cheryl. When they arrested me, because I refused to go from Queensland to Victoria, they the not the A not ASIO, but the AFP, their sister organization, flew up here from Melbourne, two agents, arrested me outside my home, put me into prison for the night, then threw me down to Melbourne and threw me back into prison, no due process, no over no charges, no not even a proper court order. And it couldn't be a proper court order because the law states in all states, every single state has the same law, that if you are accused of committing a crime in one state, you cannot be tried in another state. And this is what they're doing here with the ASIO thing. They're they're attempting to go not only intra extra state, but also extra nation. They can't do this. And anybody who bows down to this, don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

How does this this ASIO bill come into being in the first instance if we really are not following the constitution?

SPEAKER_01 7:28

That's right. But this government is not following the constitution.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Then this doesn't matter. No. Which is why you're saying just ignore it.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

That's right. Refuse to comply. That's all you have to do. It's the same as we g we were able to do during COVID. I refuse to comply. They tried to target me, they sent cops around to my house, six of them, to try and get me to bow down to their dictators, uh dictatorial demands, and I just told them no. And eventually they left. Then they sent three more cops around to try and give me a ticket. Well, I just wrote to the cops and to the court, and I said, Oh, we'll take this to court, and these are the laws that you have broken. I never heard another word. So these people are paper tigers. They can make all the threats they like, but at the end of the day, it's we the people who make the decision. And we can just we can deny them any cooperation whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

This is lawful rebellion.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

People need to stop being afraid of the government. When you have a government afraid of the people, we have freedom. But when the people are afraid of the government, we have tyranny. And what do we have now? Tyranny.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Yes, there is a lot of fear, isn't there, Mike? There are discussions about trying to get rid of this whole issue of illegal citizens in Australia. Apparently there's 77,000 illegal citizens, which has been going on for more than 10 years, the media reports. And yet it's the Liberal Party saying we're going to hold the Labour Party to account on this. And suddenly the states, New South Wales, Chris Mins is saying, Oh, I agree with that. So now we've got the feds and the states holding hands over issues that both major parties have caused, and it's this constant play on state, fed, who's in charge, who's not, and ultimately it's the people.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

That's right. Now, just to give you some context here, uh, the Australian government signed up on the 23rd of March 1976 the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Now, it starts out with a preamble, the state's parties to the present covenant, considering that in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice, and peace in the world. Now, if you go down to section, I think it's 19, just let me scroll down here a bit to find it. Yeah, here we go. Article 7, first off. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation. Well, the COVID shots were scientific and medical experimentation.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

What we're actually saying is that they've signed up an international covenant that they are constantly breaching, and this new ACO bill is only going to exacerbate that.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

But we can ignore it.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

We can ignore it. We don't have to comply with them. They can try and force us, but at the end of the day, we are the supreme over the parliament and anything they do. And remember, they are public servants, we are the masters. Does the servant tell the master what to do? No. So we can legally and morally deny them any cooperation. Now, if you go to Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, it says everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference. Number two, everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing, or in print, in the form of art and through any other media of his choice.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

If we get all of our listeners just to write to every politician they possibly can and say, It is my will and lawful right that my position in ignoring this ASIO Act will be acknowledged.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I think that's what we need to do. So if we can get out that out, we're educating not just our community, but we are educating our politicians and have them come to the party on what is and isn't lawful in this country.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Correct. Now I will make this international covenant available for download from my website, mycolshow.com, and it'll be under B O E Help on the menu.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Good stuff, and we'll do a couple of little short podcasts as well to get this message out. And again, let's make sure that we are using education as our vehicle through which we educate not just communities but politicians. Yes?

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Right, so well done.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Thanks, Mike. Good on you.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Government Article 19. That's the important one.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Excellent. Let's get that one out there. Thanks for being on the show again.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Thanks. Bye now.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

That's just about it for our show today. Mike Holt and he was discussing this ASIO Act, and as it turns out, there's nothing to be concerned about at all. What we need to do is educate our politicians in what our lawful rights are as citizens.