S1E15 - Young Wire to Wire, Truist Championship, Internet Invitational vol. 2

# The Record-Breaking Golfer: Jim Furyk's Lowest Score Ever on the PGA Tour

Learn about Jim Furyk's incredible achievement of recording the lowest score in PGA Tour history. Discover why this milestone matters and how it reflects on his legacy.

## Opening
Have you ever wondered who holds the record for the lowest score in PGA Tour history? This question often sparks debate among golf enthusiasts. In this post, we will delve into the remarkable achievement of Jim Furyk, who recorded a stunning score of 58. We'll explore what this means for the sport and why Furyk is considered one of the greatest golfers of all time.

## About Jim Furyk
Jim Furyk is a name synonymous with excellence in golf. With numerous accolades, including major championships and over 12 wins on the PGA Tour, Furyk has carved out an impressive legacy. He not only holds the record for the lowest score ever recorded on the PGA Tour but also has a unique playing style that sets him apart from his peers.

## The Historic Moment
On a memorable day, Furyk achieved an unprecedented score of 58 during a tournament. This remarkable feat not only placed him in an elite group of players who have broken 60 but also redefined the standards of excellence in professional golf. His performance was a testament to his skills, strategy, and mental fortitude.

### Why This Matters
Furyk's record is significant for several reasons. It challenges the conventional thinking about what is possible in golf and inspires both amateur and professional players to strive for greatness. Additionally, it highlights the evolution of the game, where players continually push the boundaries of skill and performance.

### How to Apply This Insight
As a golfer, whether you're a beginner or a seasoned player, there are lessons to be learned from Furyk's achievement. Focus on honing your skills, maintaining a strong mental game, and embracing new techniques. Remember, records are made to be broken, so set your sights high.

## Key Takeaways
- Jim Furyk holds the record for the lowest score on the PGA Tour: 58.
- His achievement challenges conventional thinking about golf performance.
- Furyk's legacy inspires current and future generations of golfers.

## Conclusion
Jim Furyk's remarkable achievement of scoring 58 on the PGA Tour is not just a record; it is a source of inspiration for golfers everywhere. It reminds us that with dedication and perseverance, extraordinary accomplishments are possible. So, the next time you step onto the golf course, remember Furyk's legacy and aim to push your limits.

### FAQ Section
**H2: Frequently Asked Questions**  
**H3: Who is Jim Furyk?**  
Jim Furyk is a professional golfer known for his unique swing and numerous accolades, including a record 58 on the PGA Tour.  
  
**H3: What is the significance of Furyk's score of 58?**  
Furyk's score of 58 is significant as it is the lowest score recorded on the PGA Tour, challenging previous notions of what is achievable in the sport.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

All right. So do you know who holds the lowest score on the PGA and what was it? I have to guess that it was Jim Furick at like a 58. Is that right? You know too much ball. Dang it. I thought that was going to be a surprise. Uh given given how much his name has obviously been in the news lately, uh, I think it's a crazy thing to go back to and and defensible. I mean, he's, you know, he has tons of accolades and and major championships. And I think he's won like 12, 12 times or something on the PGA tour, maybe even more. But yes, he holds the lowest score ever recorded on the PGA tour, uh, a score of 58. And he also also had a 59, which puts him in a more elite club of people that have, you know, only gone under 60 twice in their lives. It's it's incredible. Um, but yeah, Jim Furick, our future Ryder Cup captain, the guy who's getting all the shit in the world and being told why is he the Ryder Cup captain, holds the lowest score ever. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Yeah, and he gets so much hate and it's so ridiculous. I mean, he he is one of the greatest golfers of all time. And I anybody that says differently, like I just strongly disagree with to be able to play his game with his swing as well, just being so unique. Like he's one of the best of all time. So I'm stoked that he's leading the Ryder Cup team personally.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

I think it's the right call. I I think it's a tough position to put anyone in. And I don't think you waste that spot on someone new. I think it's a great thing to go back to to Jim Fuhrrick, and it's kind of uh, you know, setting a little bit lower expectations and and just not giving the opportunity to ruin, like, you know, not this example, but a tiger for the first time, right? We don't want Tiger to go out as a captain and and lose his first Ryder Cup, right? And likewise a lot of other names as well. So I think it's perfect. I think it's a perfect fit. I'm looking forward to it, and hopefully we can steal one.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Scratch player?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Hey everybody, it's Des and welcome back to the Hack and Scratch podcast, episode number 14. Excited to be back. Casey, how are you feeling about the state of golf?

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Lots going on. Lots of news, lots of changes, lots of rumors. It's heating up, and we're in major season now. We're we're past the masters, we're moving into the other majors, and uh it's just it's an exciting time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

It's a it's a great season of golf. We're we're right in the thick of major season. Uh we got one coming up in two weeks. We got one more signature event. I mean, it's crazy. When when do we get to go signature signature major? It's pretty incredible. So uh good time to be talking about golf, but we can't move on without recapping what happened this last week. Uh, the PGA finally returns to Durrell as Cam Young returns to the winner circle. Uh, he went wire to wire for his first, I believe, wire-to-wire win ever in his career, closing with a 68 to finish at 19 under, which was six clear of second being Scotty Scheffler. What did you think of his gameplay? Just dominant.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I mean, it's so hard to win on the PGA tour, let alone go wire to wire, and then let alone six above Scotty Scheffler at the end. Like, that's incredible golf. And I think people knew kind of going into moving day, like as long as he doesn't really blow it, he's got this in the bag, which I know frustrates people because they want some more entertainment value, but it's just showing how good of a player Cam Young is and how he is going to be a threat to the rest of the top players.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Yeah. Honestly, as a betting person, I did look at it. I was like, going into the final Sunday, it was $600 to win $100 if you thought Cam Young was going to hold on. The only problem with it is Scotty freaking Scheffler was the one chasing him down, and it scared me away from doing anything. You know, they're playing together. If he goes, if he goes bogey birdie right off the bat, it's brutal. So I couldn't do it, but ended up being, you know, the wrong decision there. He he held on with ease and uh walked away with with yet another win on the PGA tour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

It's only the start of his very decorated career. And I think he was one of the ones where like, when is Cam Young gonna get a win? And it's kind of the same philosophy of when is uh Rory gonna win the green jacket? And then he goes and wins it back to back. You know, it's it's that kind of golf that he's playing where maybe he feels a little freer and he's able to really execute.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

It's an interesting thing. You know, it's I've I found it funny that he was paired up with, you know, Scotty and ultimately came down to those two. And I I think there's so many similarities between those two, especially with the game between the ears. Like I just feel like they're pretty even keel people. Nothing really rattles them, and they've been able to use that. Whereas, you know, some people, some great golfers of the past have been used, you know, able to use momentum and maybe anger at times and frustration to to get them to finish well. These two just it they just go out and play their game, and if it's good enough that week, they walk away with the trophy. It's remarkable um how they're able to do it. Um, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah. Do you think, you know, I've always wondered these professional golfers that play with the same guys every week. This is a perfect example, like very elite Cameron Young versus Scotty Scheffler. Are they just in like battle mode in these tournaments, or are they just cool as a cucumber and you know, they're competitive, but like, you know, if the wind comes to me, the win comes to me. I've always wondered that. If it's like maybe you you take things a little more seriously and a little more quietly in a major, but just that I mean, not that a signature event isn't important, but no, there's a lot of I'm just curious about their competitive state when they're playing together, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yeah, I listen, these we can't lose sight of the fact that these are incredibly competitive people and and wouldn't be here if they weren't. And, you know, I think Scotty, whether he's playing his buds from home or trying to win the Masters, is not wanting to lose more than wanting to win almost. So the funny thing is, does the frustration start to peek through when things aren't going your way? And up until now, I would have said Scotty's been pretty reserved, but feel like it's starting to show through the cracks a little bit. The frustration, still one-tenth of what you see from other kind of hot-headed players, but I do feel like it's starting to show through the cracks.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Yeah, I agree. And we'll see if he gets that kind of next win, or we'll see what Scotty does. But uh, I noticed it as well.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

So there was a few other talking points this week that we can't move on without covering. A lot was around Dural and the attendance maybe being subpar and the environment not being as electric as they hoped. I don't know. It's hard to, it's hard to, you know, would know what to believe if you weren't there. Um so I'll say that. But from the images, it doesn't seem like, you know, there was as much energy, but that also could come from, you know, the winner being six shots clear. Uh so it it, you know, there's a lot of factors into it, but it did seem like perhaps maybe F1 being in Miami that weekend, maybe other big events, sporting events being that weekend as well, uh pulled away from it, but definitely seemed a little quieter for a signature event.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Yeah, I saw a lot of that too. I think you you made good points, and that's probably the reason too. A lot of other things going on, kind of a runaway tournament.

unknown 7:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

You know, hard to gauge.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Definitely. Well, the last one we have to talk about is uh coming from the pit stop and not not over in F1 Miami. It was McLaren Golf had a rough, rough outing for their first time out on a golf course. What did you think of that? Did you see the irons first of all off before before they went out? And what'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

I did, and I'll be honest with you, I thought it was a joke. I thought that these weren't actually going to be the clubs that Justin Rose is going to play. I was very surprised. Me as a golfer, like I don't like to change things too often. And if I do change things, they're subtle, small changes. But I feel like he just threw out the playbook and was starting over with these irons, which I thought was very interesting. And I don't know if I like it. I I think I think it's a strange move. And yeah, it didn't go well. But then again, first time playing in a tournament with them, there's growing paints. So that's how I feel. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 8:41

I mean, it's got to be a hard phone call that you know he has to make to McLaren. I mean, the one thing I will say is he's been partnering and working with them on building these irons. It wasn't just like a sponsorship takeover where, hey, you're playing these this week. Like he has a hand in it. Um, so he has to feel partially responsible. But it can't be, I mean, it can't be a uh easy call to make when you say, hey, I'm number three in the world, and I just got dead last at a signature event. So, and there was only one change this week. There's only one thing to point to. And yeah, I it's it's a really tough one. I don't, you know, if it were real McLaren, they would spend the week with their engineers working on fine-tuning their machine. They'd get out of almost, you know, a partially new car ready to go for next week. I don't know what you do here. You can't just remake new clubs. I mean, it's like not in a week's time.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

No, and you know, that's that's the idea that they they think can happen, right? Is like when a when a player moves, let's say, from titleist to tailor-made, they're like, hey, I really love those T100s. Can you just make me like a prototype that has the same weight, dimensions, whatever, but just make it look, you know, like Tailormade, they'll do it for you. But does McLaren have the golf resources to be able to be competitive with these other brands? I don't know. We'll see. I guess we'll see this week because I know Justin is in the field this week too, I think. So we'll see if he was making any changes.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Yeah, we sure will. Okay. Well, we didn't have a live event last week. We will have one this week, but in the meantime, I'd like to cover some things going on over at YouTube Golf. First off, we got to give a congratulations to our boy, Bobby Berger, no longer eligible bachelor. He's gone. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah, you know, I was thinking of trying to think of a nickname, you know, Bobby Burger or Bobby Bagels or Bobby Fairways. And I'm like, Bobby Nuptuals just doesn't sound like the same.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Congratulations to Bobby Nuptuals on that engagement. I love it. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Yeah, so good, good for him. That's that's super fun. Also, that I've been watching the videos of that uh Bob HQ coming together, which I hope we get to visit one day because that looks like so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

You know, I was I was a big fan of Fantasy Factory back in the day with Rob and Big. Yeah. I love what's going on here. I I'm jealous. I there's no way to just describe it other than I'm supremely jealous that this exists and sadly exists on the other side of the United States and is hard to access. So, but other than that, it looks phenomenal. The sponsors they're bringing in to get the Sims, the basketball court, the watching it. I mean, it's just paradise. There's no way to describe it but paradise.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah, I I would just live there. That just looks like so much fun. Looks like a great place to watch a tournament. You know, you have activities to do while you're watching the tournament, just super cool.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

For sure. I think J Bone might actually live there. I think they're gonna bring in some cots and he probably will live there. So, but nonetheless, yeah, Bob HQ coming together really nicely. It's funny though, he's very open about like, hey, it's still like six to nine months before we're doing stuff that we want to be doing. So I can't imagine how it's gonna further develop, but it's gonna be amazing. So Bob DeSports got out there with foreplay twice last week, both a rematch and then a follow-up rematch. I believe going into it, they were one and one as far as heads up between play, and then the first video dropped, I believe, on Barstool's channel, and that was a win for them. So they went up 2-1. Then the video dropped, the rematch dropped on Bob Desports, and now they're 2-2. So they did tease in the second video that if they were able to get it back to 2-2, that they'd have to do the final at Pebble, which that is incredible. I I can't believe it, but uh Bob Desports have never filmed at Pebble, so it would be their first time filming at Pebble. That would be incredible.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

That course would just eat them alive. I'm sorry. But what a what a great way to have like kind of a tiebreaker or something there. Like that would be super cool.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

The entertainment value would have to be very, very high. Uh number of balls lost has to be a bet on uh their prize picks promotion.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

You'd be over. So yeah. Uh so that was pretty good. Bob breaking 80 didn't go as well. You know, that's just like the reality of golf, though, right? You you feel like you're you practice, you build your game, your game's trending in the right look, you know, right direction. You get out there, great first hole, you're feeling good, and then it just all falls apart. It all falls apart on one hole. You you feel like your day's shot. I I can't even believe you rallied as much as he did. Uh, but then to blow up again on the back nine, really tough. Tough scenes comes out in the 94, I believe. So not a good look, but no question about it. Uh Bob's game is definitely improving, just the consistency, which we all face, is is still the problem.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, and that video when it happens is gonna be a great one to watch.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

So he's he says it's gonna be a bigger celebration than his hole in one. So he says he already has the menu set. It's uh, I believe he said I think he said King Crab Legs. I know he didn't say lump lump crab meat, because I would have remembered that. But um, no, I think he said Alaskan King Crab Legs uh would be the menu for that night.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yeah. Love that.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Uh a video I did invest myself into that I didn't really think I was going to, but man, uh was the Q. So the qualifier for Myrtle Beach, a classic where they invite creators or where they invited creators to have a tournament amongst themselves. So put on by themselves. Uh, it was eight creators, and the winner got a spot in the PGA tour event in Myrtle Beach. Uh, pretty incredible, pretty incredible prize to think about. A lot of these players have never played a PGA tour event, some of them have, but a lot of them hadn't. And it was very close to seeing a few upsets go through and some golfers that you wouldn't think. I mean, I wish Sam somehow pulled that off. Because seeing I would watch, I would watch the entire Myrtle Beach classic if Sam Hyungmin was in that field, just because there's no way he doesn't blow up. I mean, there that would be a a meltdown. Instead, the way it works out is Micah did beat George Bryan, which was a pretty ridiculous upset. Uh, I give a lot of crap to Micah a lot of the times, but he did beat George. Amazing, got into the second round, and was four four under through four on the final round, four under through four, just lapping the field. And slowly but surely, Ryan Ruffles started chipping away. And at 18, it was all it was uh I can't remember where the what the score was, but it was all square between the two. And Grant just had a little bit of a meltdown, got in a bad place in a bunker, couldn't get really out, put it in the water. Um, and Ruffles goes on to to win the queue and get a spot in the Myrtle Beach. He'll be playing this week. Overall, I mean, gosh, if that is a sample of your golf tour, fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, you know, that we're just gonna see more and more of this. And I'm excited. I mean, we we're getting kind of the high quality stuff that we really liked with the internet invitational in like these smaller bits. And I like when there's a little more incentive on it, like the queue being one of them, where it's like, hey, no, somebody can actually go play in a legit event because of this, which is super cool. So it's exciting stuff. It's we're really now starting to blend like the pro and the content creators, which I know it's that mesh has always been there, but to actually like have a line to the PGA tour is opening a little bit, which is cool.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Yeah, I really like this state because I I will say I I love the PGA Tour as it is 100%. I love this little blend of top quality but personality-driven golfers, getting to see cart cams, all that stuff. And then I just like my zany, ridiculous comedy kind of golf and stuff. I I think those three things deliver something very different, but I actually consume them all and I I like them equally. So yeah, I love the state of kind of golf the way it's being played right now. It's great. All right. Well, that wraps up the YouTube golf scene. We do have an incredible signature event at Quail Hollow this year. Um, or this year, unlike last year, which it was moved to the Philly Cricket Club because Quail Hollow was the site of the majors. So now Truis is back at Quail Hollow. We have a pretty stacked field. Uh, a couple people from last week's signature did not uh choose to participate in this event, all of Scotty Scheffler and a few other big names as well. Um, I don't think we'll see a Cameron Young drop out. I that just doesn't seem like him. Uh, but would, you know, if he did, it wouldn't shock me. But I don't think we see him bow out. So nonetheless, Actfield, pretty funny to see two Fitzpatricks right up at the top. I mean, that is that was not on my bingo card this year. So pretty incredible stuff shaping up here. Where did you go as far as your picks this week?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah, I mean, the same here. I I love to see Alex Fitzpatrick up there, minus all what everyone else thinks. I think it's super cool. I mean, he's earned it. DP World Tour winner. Played his ass off last week. Yeah. And I think he's just gonna continue doing well. That said, like I'm picking Matt Fitzpatrick again this week. That sand, that bunker shot on 18 was just incredible. And that's not why I'm picking him for this, but just like he just seems dialed right now. And I think getting his brother here is a huge boost of confidence for for both of them. So I think that's huge. He's he's played incredibly well. He won what last month? And now again with uh with Alex. So he's on my list. Xander Shoffley, somebody who we haven't really seen much recently, um, but he's done well at this tournament before. I feel like he's uh just he's gearing up for his major run here. That that's just who I am kind of believing in. And then lastly, I loved how Jordan Speith played last week. Um I I just thought he was doing so well and sticking with it. I'm like, wow, that's the Jordan Speath that we you know know and love. And I'm like, maybe he's kind of found something again. And I know we always say, like, oh, well, don't say that about Jordan or whatever, but yeah, I like him through this week.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

It's such an incredible thing, golf, because he definitely has found something again and something that's new to him, which is ball speed. I mean, he is cranking it off the tee. And uh, there's no other place that loves bombers like Quill Hollow. So we've seen it through the years with Rory, just dominance at Quail. I'm sure now that Cam has come into an incredible form and really is a different player than he has been in the past few years while playing here. I'm sure he'll bring that to it as well. But yeah, I love speath there. Someone who doesn't, you know, bomb it as much, but who has by far the second best course record here is Xander Shoffley. Your pick there. Two back-to-back runner-up finishes at Quail Hollow. Yeah, I really like him. His game's trending in the right direction. I I can't wait to get past this narrative of like, oh, is he recovering? Is he still hurt? Is you know what what's the situation? I think he's fully back. I mean, his stats are green across the board. Um, he's gaining strokes in pretty much every part of his game. Great recent finishes. I can't see him. If I had to lock in a bet for a significant amount of money, I just can't see him outside the top 10 this week. Yeah, he looks he looks phenomenal. So I I too went Xander Shoffley. And then, you know, I wanted to dig deep here across the board, but I just don't see this tournament being any being won by anyone other than kind of the top 10 golfers. And to that point, why not Cam Young? Holy crap. I mean, he's playing lights out. This course suits him so well. Just yeah, why why not? Um, so I'm I'm going chalk this week. I'm going Xander and Cam Young. Um, kind of kicking myself. I I put Cam Young in a bunch of my lineups for one and done. I feel great about that. However, I didn't bet him, which which kills me. Um because you know, I'd love that. But uh I did pick I picked now two winners in my one and duns back to back with Matt Matt Fitzpatrick, um, and then uh and then and then uh Cam Young. So I'm on a little bit of a heater there. I I I'll probably throw Xander Shoffley in this week to just try to keep the streak alive. But yeah, I I think the cream's gonna rise to the top this week. Oh my god, by the way, cream rises to the top. Did you see that Bob does sports clip? Freaking Joey thought it oh god, Joey thought it was cream rises to the crop. Emphatically, a mix of cream, cream of the crop. Yes, mix and cream of the crop, but the cream rises to the crop. It's just you know what? I love it. Yeah, it's wild. Sorry, but yeah, I I think the cream will rise to the top here, and we'll see a top golfer take this one down. And I think I think since we're both on it, we might we might need to throw some money on Xander Shoffley. Uh, you gotta pay for a big Maybe in a couple days that's due. So we could use it. Right. I could use a win. That's right. All right. Um, all right, let's move on. We haven't done a Pro Shop drop properly in a while. For me, there is this brand that has been quietly growing for the last decade. And I say quietly, it's probably not as quiet as I say. But I do feel like it's just like teetering on the edge of exploding. So my question to you, Casey, is how much do you know about the brand Mellon? Melon. Is this a hat company? It is a hat company. That's all I know. Okay. That's that's I feel like that's a pretty much all people. That's that's all they know. They've seen it, is probably the extent of it. So I was it was about three or four years ago. I was walking through one of the nicest malls probably across America, Fashion Island down here in Newport Beach, and I come across a huge retail space that had been the former Tesla showroom. And I it just kind of piqued my interest. And I looked through the windows and it was just hats on the wall, which this is Newport Beach. This is not that surprising. I thought they were probably promoting their startup brand and they were giving out hats, but that did send me down a rabbit hole. So Mellon was founded back all the way in 2013, Laguna Beach, so local to Orange County, by Brian McDonnell and Corey Roth. They were two lifelong friends, and they just were frustrated with the hats that were available for sports. So whether it was golfing, tennis, whatever it was, they were just thinking the quality is so crap. You go through them, you sweat through them. And so they studied, you know, traditional millinery. And that's, I guess, probably where uh millin gets a lot of its name is millinery is the art of hat making. And they launched their brand with performance materials and slowly started to build this very niche brand out of just selling hats and and albeit premium hats. Um, but it was in 2016, they got a big boost from investment group from Olikai. And the wild part is they didn't open their first flagship store, I think, until 2022. So that's probably when I about saw that first store. It's just to me, it's crazy. They've somehow survived despite going through COVID and all this stuff and premium and and you know, having brick and mortar places, they've somehow survived off the back of just creating a hat. And it begs the question, like, okay, what's going on here? Well, they are diving deep into the golf game. I've seen their ads for like six months now, really leaning heavily on golf. And I'm that's actually what I'm rocking here today. So that's the logo right there. No, this is not a paid ad. Uh, but yeah, I just find it I find it fascinating what they're doing. I will say it's a great hat. I was very impressed with it. High quality for sure. But it's just funny. I I just love when it's a great sign for the golf industry as a whole when like a business can be made out of such a singular, you know, use product like this.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yeah. Yeah, that's super cool. I would love to try one out because I have like my favorite golf hats that I wear out on the course. Usually it's just a golf brand itself, like I love my Wilson hat or my Tiger Woods hat, whatever. But it also needs to be comfortable. And I'm guessing these hats are very comfortable, like the one you're wearing now. They're very comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

What I will say is for such a structured hat, it's incredibly like breathable. I think that's like the number one thing they focus on is how do we make this so your head's not overheating in 90 degree heat while you're playing golf. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

And like I need that because especially where I live in Northern California, it's about to get pretty hot. And if I go wear that Wilson hat, like getting sweat stains all through it, you know? And so you need something comfortable that you can move in, but it's light enough to where you don't really notice it. So I'm gonna give these a shot. I also love it when like high quality, whatever you it is that you make, get into the golf game because they bring a different perspective to it and maybe can show us something new that didn't exist before. And it sounds like these hats are maybe a little more performance ready.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, absolutely. All right, cool. Well, we've come to that part of the show where we focus on a few different fun games. We have a draft, which we haven't done in a while. We're gonna be drafting five people that you'd like to invite to join the internet invitational this year that weren't in it from the previous year. Okay, so we'll do a little snake draft. I'll go first this this time and then we'll we'll snake it. But yes, we're gonna draft five new internet invitational invitees, and I'll go first. All right, so I have been following this skit-based comedy golf channel for a long time, Saint Andre Golf. There's no chance if you've you know been in the golf content game that you haven't seen their skits, they're hilarious, but they have a particular member of their group, and it's kind of like a three-member group that's working really hard to actually become a decent golfer. And so I love the idea of giving them a shot. She seems absolutely hysterical. And I do think adding her to the group would would bring a nice level of comedy and and just fun. I'm gonna go Hannah Ray Allsen from uh Saint Andre Golf. Nice, that's a great pick.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

I like that. Okay, so my first pick. I've always been a fan of these guys. I honestly feel like toot my own horn, but I was probably one of their first followers was the guys from uh Cheeky Golf Club. And so, most more specifically, Benji. I just think he's got great energy. Seems like a great guy, and he's getting way better at golf, clearly. You know, playing golf every day until make 18 pars in a row, and they did it. And now they're on to the next thing. I think he would be a lot of fun, so I'm choosing Benji. That's a good one. Uh so my next person, kind of bridging the sports gap a little bit, Caitlin Clark. I think she also has great energy. She's played in a few of the like pro ams at various tournaments. She might have played a pebble, maybe I'm thinking of a different one, but I know she's she's been out there and playing it. She's a pretty good golfer, and I think it would be cool to see her out there because she's still kind of having her moment as one of the best basketball superstars.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Her name was definitely thrown out there, I feel like, shortly after the internet invitational ended the first round. Um, and she was all about it. She was like, as long as it works for my schedule, I'm all about it. So that's a great pick. That's a very good one. I like that. And obviously, gonna get the eyeballs. She she's you know, very popular in the sports world. And and uh yeah, that would be a really good thing. It it bridged between like getting the LeBron who would probably like suck all the attention, right? Uh, I think that's a perfect, perfect ad. Um, all right, let's see here. I'm gonna go, man, I I'm leaning, I didn't realize I was gonna do this, but I'm leaning heavily a little bit into the skit golfers, but they're uh but they're also good, they're also good golfers as well. So I think I'm gonna go with this guy named Ezra Berg. He's from Kangaroo Golf, another really funny um skit-based uh follow. And and they've kind of branded into this kangaroo golf recently, but their skits are so funny. They recently just had Jordan Speeth join one of their skits, so they're becoming big time, but just really funny stuff, and seems like a pretty good player as well. So I'm gonna go Ezra on that one, and then I'll I'll finish out my golf skit realm with uh a person I mentioned before, but Nick Benilla from Bev Boys. He seems to be plugged in to all the Bob Down Sports crew right now. He is actually which I didn't realize, but he's sponsored by Strixon. So he goes, I know he goes out on all the Strixon suits uh shoots with all the professional players as well, does a lot of content for them, but also is connected into a lot of the Bobo Sports guys. So yeah, seems like an I almost would bet money that he's gonna be a part of it this year. Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

That's a great pick and makes sense why they would want him in there then. Okay, my next pick is probably gonna be controversial, but it's okay, is Michael Bloch. Oh, that is controversial. Yeah. I mean, he had his moment, what is it, two years ago now? Yes. I don't know. That that was just some of the best golf entertainment. Seeing him have his moment at the PGA and then getting that hole in one.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Uh that was one of the craziest storylines ever. And seeing his face on Callaway's headquarters the next week was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Crazy. Talk about just like overnight sensation. He did kind of fumble a little bit after that, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

And I think that's kind of what makes him a great candidate to be in the internet invitational. Like he's got a little bit of controversy. Yeah, and he's got great personality, and he can talk to anybody, and he could probably talk a little bit of trash. So I think that would be great. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

I like that one. And he's playing, he's playing in two weeks. So he's still obviously his game's incredibly sharp. He'll be out there at PGA. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Okay, and so my next one, I don't think this is gonna be controversial, but Martin Borgmire, who is oh, and I wanted that one so bad. I'm sorry. He's for those that don't know, the one of the long drive competitors against Kyle Berkshire. And which is Kyle Berkshire gonna be in the I would assume so.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

I mean, he's pretty good. I I feel like he re-earned his spot from from last from last time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

So I I I mean, just as a utility, his game would be great entertainment value.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

So that head-to-head matchup would go real hard. I would love to see that. Yeah, it would be so good. Yeah. All right, that's a good one. You stole one from me. Okay. Um, all right, this one's ridiculous. But I'm gonna go with this guy named Eric Laudery, I think it's how you pronounce it. Um, but he started a golf channel called Redneck Golf. I mean, one of the funniest on-course commentary voiceovers that you possibly could add to the game of golf. Um, by no means traditional. Oh, so hilarious. So, hey, if the Duke can make it into the internet invitational, there's really no limit to what kind of golf you can bring. This guy actually has a much better game than that. So uh, plus, he's a hell of a personality. So I'm gonna go Eric Lawtery. Um, and then for my last pick, um torn here. Okay, I'm gonna God, I'm making such a freaking Gen Z move here, even though I'm not I'm nowhere near Gen Z. I'm going Big John golf, which is a crazy pick, but it is so bar stool. I do feel like it brings in a slightly younger crowd. He's he's risen through the barstool ranks through that, but he also loves golf. I'm not gonna mention all the other stuff he also loves, but he is a personality for sure would go toe-to-toe with like DOD King and some of those bigger personalities on there. And I just, yeah, I want to see a little bit more, not necessarily conflict, but maybe conflicting personalities this year. And so I think if you match some of the big personalities that you had last year, I think it would provide some good fireworks. So I'm gonna go big John Golf for my last spot.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Nice. Look at you, you know, staying in the loop with what the cool kids are following.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

There's gonna be a lot of people that don't like that pick. Okay.

unknown 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

All right. Well, to round mine out, my last pick is Jim Kanaus. And I say Kanaus because his Instagram handle is Jimmy Hard K. I think some folks will remember him from I think he just made some Monday qualifiers or he was a sponsor's exemption to a couple PGA tour events. He did really well. And but he's like a normal guy. And like I think he he played on the PGA tour for a while, but uh I think ultimately he just wanted to go back and work his job. Where I think he is a like a marketing manager, or he he works for Callaway or one of the major brands. Cool. And he's just a really cool guy. He had great energy, everybody seems to love him, just seems like an interesting guy to have on on the on this tour.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

You know, that's such a good point. I you know, I I kind of went the funny route and stuff, but we also need like heroes, like the you know, the whole thing of beef last year. You can't obviously replicate that, but just someone you just root for and love. Same with Chassie. Oh my god, Chasszy had like an incredible just boom from that. I I do think we need great people that you can just root for. So I like I like your idea. We couldn't have had two more opposing last picks, but uh Yeah, we'll put those together and that's quite a quite an invitational. We'll have to see where we're you know, we'll revisit this where we land to see how many we got right. I feel like we did probably get a couple right. So uh yeah, that's great. All right. Well, we're gonna move to a more contentious topic. Dust is being settled. Live is gonna end, most likely. The question I pose to you, Casey, is did it do more harm or more good by existing?

SPEAKER_01 34:42

You know, it it's I don't want this to be taken out of context. So if someone sees this, keep watching until I finish this. I think it did more good for the future of golf without live. All right. And so I think it's it called out a lot of things on tour that are difficult to kind of confront, and that the schedule is horrendous on the PGA tour. Being able to play in live events is more palatable for probably golfers and their families. But for the biggest thing, it showed that people want to play on the PGA tour and they want to watch major championships. It was always telling to me when the players of Live were like, Well, how am I gonna play in the majors? We're like, Well, you went to Live, so we don't know. But in that statement, they're saying we know how important these major tournaments are. So we want to get back to them. So I think so. There's another one. And then kind of my last thing was that Liv, I think, paid out something in the realm of $3 billion in like prize money and other incentives for these players. That is so much money. And immediately when all these guys were signing their contracts, you know, when John Rahm signed his whatever hundred million, whatever, it showed that it's hard to make it on the PGA tour that we're not paying these guys as much as these giant contracts. So a lot of things that were good came out of it, but good for the PGA tour. So that's kind of my take.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah, I, you know, I can see that point. And a lot of the points you make were, you know, some some things I agree with for sure. I just can't get, you know, I I can't get around the fact that if you were to reverse time and the live tour never existed, would the state of golf right now be better than it is right now? And I think the answer for me is yes. Because golf, you know, right around that time was such an uh, it feels like it was just about to explode. You know, we had major media coverage, we had things like full swing season one coming out. Uh, people, it was becoming more part of social culture to golf. Uh, you had the for lack of the, you know, for worse or for better, you had the COVID boom, you had all this stuff kind of leading up to now having household names outside of Tiger. You had the likes of Scotty Scheffler, Bryson, Brooks, Kepka, uh, John Rom, and then you just divided it. You really cut it at its legs. And I can't, you know, I can't get around the fact that I think it would be would have just continued on that trajectory even higher if Liv hadn't split away and pulled so much of the attention. And and that's my second point is like we've spent the last four years just constantly feeding this narrative. So much wasteful time and space has been used to talk about Live and what do you think of Live players and what do you think of them coming back? I mean, I can't if you had to quantify the airtimes being spent, talked about Live, it's astronomical. And then you look at it, what it did to like careers like Rory McElroy for a couple years, you know, really put him at a disadvantage that he had to deal with all this crap on the other side and probably could have gotten to maybe his green jacket sooner. So I I just feel like if you were to reverse time and see it in two different courses, I feel like it we would be better without Live ever existing.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

That interesting takes. And I think we have similar but also conflicting ideas on it.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

I think the good news and the thing we can agree with it is that we're all happy that Live is no more. So regardless of how it happened, um, I think no matter what, we will be in a better state, you know, in six, nine, ten, you know, ten years um than we are right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

I think selfishly, the things about kind of platforming players we wouldn't normally see for me, like just being a kid looking up to him was Anthony Kim. Like that, but that's such a specific thing, you know. And so I get it. But yeah, I agree that it's going to create an interesting ride for people to get back to the PGA tour, especially for the younger players who don't have experience on the tour. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

So how long, how long do you think Lib is gonna last? I think it's done after this. I don't think they'll find a sponsor to to take it on. And the now that the financials are coming out, it's it's you know, it's a dying business. I can't imagine anyone wanting it. And then you're just not gonna be able to you're not gonna be able to retain the talent at lower lower costs. So uh I think it ends this year. I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

I don't think anybody's gonna pick it up or try to buy it. I think there's a better shot of that influencer trying to get people to buy Spirit Airlines than LiveGolf succeeding, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Are you a core founding member in buy spiritairlines.com? I'm a yeah, I know. That's great. We should so set up that link. Buy LiveTour.com.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

We need $30 billion.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yes, yeah, a little bit more than Spirit Airlines. That would be great. All right. Speaking of which, I feel like the ability to become a professional golfer, or at least, you know, being paid to golf, let's call it, is becoming more accessible than ever. You know, with new kind of content-driven tours like YGT, Grass League, so many more, I feel like there are more ways to get paid to play now than ever before. And so my next question to you is if you could create your own tour out there, what would it be? You know, taking into account the format, kind of who you want golfing, where, the prizes being given, what would you want to see?

SPEAKER_01 40:26

So this is a great question. I'm glad you're asking it because this is something that I've actually thought about for a long time. I've always been super frustrated that it's like Corn Ferry Tour, PGA tour, and that's it. I think we need more development style professional tours in the US. Because currently, if the way that you get experience is either play on the Asher tour, which is like California, Arizona, and maybe one other state, or you go to Florida and play in the minor league golf tour. That's your only option. And I, you know, one of my biggest goals was to get a world amateur golf ranking. And the only way to do that is to play in like local city tournaments or other pro tournaments and try to qualify for things. It's really hard to get your name out there unless you have a ton of money that you can invest to it. So, my idea is what I would call the American Pro Golf Tour. It is a development tour that exists in every state where you can compete locally at a high level with other very competitive golfers. The idea that I need to travel to Florida to go get professional experience is just crazy. And so I think if we had smaller, uh kind of easier to lower bars of entry into professional golf, it would maybe bolster uh players who can't necessarily just take a year off, sell all their stuff and live out of the van in Florida. Instead, you can stay home, try to win a low a couple like local tournaments that um are considered professional, maybe earn enough money to cover expenses and things and have it be that. I think that would be super cool. The the way that I originally thought of this was because there were there's a Twitter account or Instagram, it's it's everywhere now, called uh like Monday Q Info or something. And it's you know which one I'm talking about. And he basically is going and covering all like uh Corn Fairy, Q school, like type stuff. And I'm like, why don't we know more about this? Like there are guys that are coming out of nowhere that are playing super well and then just shoot up. Like I want to know kind of their story while they're getting going. So my idea is to have the local tours where you can compete locally in professional events and not have to travel all over.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

Yeah. I think that's one of the main problems to solve is and you know, I've I've seen the videos where people recap their expenses in the last week of doing corn ferry and things like that. And it's it's travel, it's travel and lodging, right? If you can solve those two, golfing becomes a lot more affordable to try as a professional sport. And so I think that's that's great. Now, is there a reward of like finishing high locally that you move on to something more nationally, or is it just staying at local level?

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Great question. So this is also modeled after what's called the US A tour, just an amateur golf tour. You don't get any ranking points or whatever, just to get like a competitive style tournament play. And they have seasons where you can play in tournaments that are like usually within a couple hours of where your location is. And then depending on how you do, you get points similar to how we do with like the FedEx Cup. And then you then qualify to play in larger tournaments where the top players compete against each other. And sometimes those you travel maybe to the southern part of your state or you travel out of state for those m those bigger tournaments. So it's just an easier way to build up to the top. Yeah, eventually you move up and you can get more prize money for like their quote unquote major championships. So that's what I would do is the same thing. Some bigger tournaments and then finally like one tour championship at the end. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Yeah, I love that. Similarly, the the tour that I kind of thought was based on basically the model of American Ninja Warrior. So I call it the Profession Tour. And it's a multi-city kind of made-for-TV kind of tour where the group goes from city to city, main city hubs, and what it's doing is it's pitting professions against other professions. So, you know, that's what's so beautiful about golf is it's interwoven into all these business areas. You know, doctors are playing with sales reps, and firefighters are going out on the weekends when they're off to play together. Like, you know, teachers try to get out, finance bros are taking up the more expensive links. It's all woven into different business and professions. And I think it'd be great to like pit those professions against each other. So it would have 12 classic professions mixed of doctors, firefighters, police officers, teachers, lawyers, finance, real estate agents, sales reps, contractors, pilots, and chefs and sorry, military veterans. So those are the 12 groups. And each city they go to, they have one nominee from each one of those groups. So you get a beautiful story, highlight. They play in a 12-person golf tournament at a local city level. Then they go into the next one, they get a new candidate of uh of 12 people from those professions. You as a professional can root for your own profession, have a little bit in it. You know, you're pulling for the firefighters if you're a firefighter, etc. And then the top six overall professions from the 12 at the end of the season basically go into a playoff in which you pick your best uh representatives from those from those cities within the profession and you have a tournament at the end. It's very made for TV, but I love the aspect of highlighting real-world, real life golfers with probably amazing backstories. Like I said, it's very made for TV, but I think it would do really, really well.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

I think that's a great idea and sounds so fun. I love the idea for rooting on your profession, you know. Like if there were software engineers, I'm like, yeah, let's go, nerds. Come on, let's let's get it done, you know. Um, I think uh I have one suggestion that the prize money just goes straight to your student loans because all of these jobs sound like you're walking away a school with debt. So I think that would be a great way to win is to get your student loans paid off.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

That's really I didn't think of I hadn't thought of the uh prize money yet. So that's a good, that's a good addition. I love it. Nice. Well, those are two great tours. And you know what, that's what's amazing is I think there will be interest in in a lot of these different style tours coming up. I got my eyes opened up to the Grass League last week, which seems like I feel like that was a total miss on my part. I had never seen it, it's been existing for a while, but now that all these YouTube creators are in it, I started paying attention to it. It's amazing. They put on an incredible event, very entertaining, good golf. Yeah. So I can't wait to see what more is to come. Okay. So I'm sure that you've probably seen people post on social like, hey, would you quit your job and play golf if you got paid $10,000 for each par? And 99% of people, no matter if they're a horrible golfer or a great golfer, would say yes. It's just like way too advantageous to just quit your day job, play golf, and make hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. So I want to put you to the test and I want to make it a little bit harder today. And I want you to think about this. So, Casey, my first question to you is would you quit your job if you got paid a thousand dollars for every birdie you made? Just to be clear, like I'm paying for my golf still. Yes, yeah. You're paying for everything. Your income is now a thousand dollars per birdie and nothing else.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Okay. Yeah, I would. I would I would still quit my job because I know I can sneak out a couple around right now. And if I'm playing every day, I'm gonna get better. So that I would definitely do because I would get a net net positive 100%.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

You you would play, you know, 250 days a year? Yes. Okay, yeah. Well then you're in it, then you're good. Okay. Now I'm gonna switch it up just a little bit harder. How about a hundred dollars for every par? So you're really grinding it. A hundred dollars for every par.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

That's tough because one birdie, like I would have to make 10 pars or better. Which I think I would be losing money at first. Right. Um, am I being penalized for every bogey or no? No, that comes later. No, right now it's a hundred dollars for each bar. Got it. Yeah, I'm still doing it. I'm still doing it. I'm confident enough in my skills that I will turn a profit still. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

All right. This last one. Let's go back to the original one. The answer pretty quickly, so I'm gonna make it a little bit harder. Thousand dollars for every birdie, five thousand dollars subtracted for every double.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

Thousand for every double. I don't get doubles that often, but they happen, and that's that's a lot. Can you imagine the pressure? Yeah, I'm seriously like, oh, here goes the mortgage. I think mathematically, I I can't do it. Okay, good. It's it's risking too much for one double bogey. Because I can definitely go double double sometimes, and now I'm down 10,000 and I need 10 birdies now to make up for that. That could take me four or five rounds. Yeah, no, I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

All right, good. We finally got to an answer that you wouldn't take, which is what I wanted to do. So that's perfect. That's amazing. Okay, well, hopefully someone offers you a thousand for every birdie and that's it, and you quit your job.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

I will take that any day, yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna give you a couple scenarios. They're both different, but they're and they're a little more unique. But I've thought about this one. Would you quit your job if you got to play on the PGA tour at your current level? Okay. You have every resource available, but you have to grind. You are working out like a PGA pro, you are eating like them, you are practicing like them, you're traveling like them. Your expenses and stuff are paid, but you're joining the PGA tour at your current level, meaning you may not see dividends for years if you're not progressing. So you can miss the cut literally every week for a year, but you still are in the tournament every day, every week.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

So basically, I got like a multi, multi-year exemption card. I just didn't earn it. Exactly. Exactly. I would love to say, I would love to say yes, and it saddens me to not say yes, but there's no chance. I wouldn't, I would never see a dollar come back to me. If I had all the resources in the world, all the time in the world, I just firmly believe to get to that level, it kind of had to have been touched by God. I don't think that all the money in the world and all the training could get me to even sniff a dollar on the PGA tour ever. Really? Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

You you have years. You have you have a 10-year exemption.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

No, I don't think it. I I I would bet so much money that I would never see a cut ever. Okay. But well, we'll see how others agree with that or disagree, but just to flip it around, how easy of a yes is it for you?

SPEAKER_01 51:12

It's a very easy yes for me.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

And I know that sounds like super overconfident, but I'm also aware that I am not going to even get make a cut for a year. It's going to take me a long time.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

What is a P a PGA professional is like a seven, a plus seven, right? Think like a plus six, like around six, seven. Okay. Yeah. Like if yeah. So you gotta get six strokes better, but you have all the resources, all the training. You could theoretically possibly have a chance in a couple years to to get to that level.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

unknown 51:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

I think so. I think anybody who I mean, especially somebody like me who started playing at a young age, like I understand the game maybe more than somebody who's just picking it up, you know. And so like I have an advantage for sure. But yeah, I just think it would be an interesting experiment too. Like if somebody wanted to sponsor somebody to do that, that would be a very cool YouTube series as well.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

Yeah. It's funny, I know people always say, you know, going from uh a 18 handicap to a single digit handicap is hard, but going from a 10 to a six is 10 times harder, right? So then I I kind of wonder like for all the people doing the experiment of like trying to become scratch, which you know, a lot of them start at like plus, you know, they start at more than 18 handicap and drop it all the way down to scratch. If that whole chasm is harder than scratch going to to plus five or something like that, that's that's I yeah, I don't know the answer to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Well, cool. Now now we know if the opportunity presents itself, I will volunteer and you'll have to.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

Okay, so you join the PGA and I will be representing the marketers of the world on the profession tour. Perfect. I think that's great. Perfect. All right. That's gonna do it for us. Thank you for joining and see you next time.