S1E23 - Gotterup's Incredible Sunday, Scottish Open, Links vs American

Join us as we explore the latest in golf, tennis, and sports culture, including legendary athletes, major tournaments, and innovative golf content. We also dive into hypothetical golf cups and the future of golf content creation.

00:00 Golf Highlights: John Deere Classic and Scottish Open
06:10 YouTube Golf Rundown: Content Trends and Viewer Preferences
11:15 Professional Golf Insights: Genesis Scottish Open Preview
14:57 Pro Shop Drop: New Equipment Trends
19:09 Tennis and Golf: The Connection Between Two Sports
21:42 LeBron's Elite Golf Offseason
22:37 Andy Murray: Breakfast Buddy and Golf Skills
23:43 Roger Federer: Golfing Skills and Handicaps
24:19 Novak Djokovic: The Golfing Hack Debate
25:32 The Beauty of Golf: Athletes on the Same Field
25:55 Link Style vs. American Golf
30:14 Theoretical Golf Tournaments: Creative Cup Ideas

golf, tennis, sports, YouTube golf, Scottish Open, Wimbledon, golf equipment, golf courses, golf tournaments, athlete interviews

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Does the name Althea Gibson ring a bell to you?

SPEAKER_01 0:02

It sounds someone historic that has some patriotic root, but I no. I mean, you you would be correct. So Wimbledon is this week, and I found this amazing fact in this amazing athlete. Althea Gibson was the first black woman to join the LPGA tour in 1964, and she joined at age 37. You might think that is on the older side of joining the tour. So do you know why she joined so late? Or could you take a guess?

SPEAKER_00 0:29

I would say she was serving our military.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

That would be a good guess, but she was actually busy becoming the number one tennis player in the world, winning 11 Grand Slam titles, including at Wimbledon, which is currently happening this week. How crazy is that?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Oh damn. So she went, she just changed swings and was just that. That's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

She just decided, you know what? I think I've accomplished all I want in tennis, and I'm going to switch over to golf. Now, she didn't have much success on the PJ tour, but she still played well. I think she had two uh second place finishes, which is so impressive to be able to do both things. I just thought that was super cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Just a little Bo Jackson. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Local municipal golf course says it's been overrun by what some are calling golfers. Has the game grown too much? Do we need more scratch golfers? I'm telling you, hack slow the game down. You can't grow golf if people are chunking it into the weeds all day. Scratch players?

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Hey everybody, it's Des and welcome back to the Hack and Scratch podcast, episode number 23. Taking a couple weeks off, some due to technical error, some due to just rest. But I'm excited to be back, ready to shape up right in time for the open championship. But this week we got the Scottish. I'm excited to talk about it. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:48

I'm doing great. Glad to be back. Uh I am to blame of both technical difficulties and needing rest.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

So glad to be back. No, we're we're both to blame. But we did have some uh we did have some, I would say, lightning this uh this past weekend in the in the aspect of Chris Goddard up firing a nine under on Sunday. I have to check the date on this, but that has to be the lowest Sunday round comeback in a long time, I would assume, to shoot nine under on Sunday and win it. But uh he did it at TPC Deer Run to take the John Deere Classic. Pretty incredible. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah. I mean, we were talking about it earlier. He had to have finished with plenty of time to prepare for that potential playoff. Just so impressive to go out and shoot nine under and just rally to win a tournament when you're so many back. Like it's just it's really impressive and it's a long shot. And I give props to anybody who put money on him that morning because they probably did very well.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

I can't imagine there were many. I really can't imagine, but at least for those people who took him pre-tournament, they they had a nice surprise to wake up to come Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Well, and I wouldn't be surprised if people did take him, though, on Sunday as well, because from that leaderboard, I put my money on Lucas Glover from that morning. It was like, he's a little bit older, he's got the experience, these other guys may crack under the pressure a little bit. So, you know, he he was kind of a wild card, but it was, I I watched the the entire final round. It was hard to see Ben Coles throw it into the water on 18. And you know what? I do have a problem with a lot of people in the comments of all of social media saying he choked. He absolutely did not choke, in my opinion. I don't think any golfer would say so. He knew he was going in to tie with a par. So he was trying to win the tournament and he took a risk and hit, tried to hit a shot to knock it close so he could make birdie and call it a day rather than trying to go to a playoff. Like, why go to a playoff? You might as well just try to win it there. So that's my take, but I think a lot of people disagree with me.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

No, I think it was very brave what he did. I do think strategically, though, I think it was probably the wrong play, just given the fact that you got Godra, who sat cold for two hours on end now, and you're coming in firing. I think you have a pretty decent shot if you do go into a playoff being warm. And so I don't know. I I think maybe, you know, obviously high-indside's 2020. Um, but it is the year of almost for these first-time winners. We've had a lot of stories just like this with a potential first-time winner coming down to the wire and just not getting across the finish line. So Ben Coles adds his name to that list. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

And honestly, he's someone I hadn't really followed too much up until this week. And so, in the same way that we saw it a month ago with uh Eric Cole, like these guys that are kind of going on runs, we're gonna see him again in subsequent weeks. So, still to get those second place finishes. Well, actually, I think he bumped a third because he doubled that final hole, but uh really good for their their long-term career, gets them into some more events and and gets them a lot of points. So still, still good.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Yeah, absolutely. Well, um, we have a fun week, obviously, at the Scottish Open. Um, but we also have uh the other big UK event closing down as well, which is Wimbledon. So it's exciting as it shifts from Wimbledon to uh to uh the Open Championship in a week week from now. So exciting times.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah, and I I've read and I remember seeing in past years, I didn't see anybody so far, but I know a lot of golfers will go to Wimbledon. They'll skip the John Deere Classic because it's typically the same week because they're already over in in the UK and then can pop over for the Scottish Open. So I remember seeing a lot of clips of Rory McElroy dressed very nicely, holding a cocktail in his hand watching Wimbledon. So it's pretty cool that they they get to do that right before the open.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Nice. Yeah, we'll have to maybe plan that out next year when we go to the open together. So twist my arm. All right. The section that's not going to be very long this week, I don't think, is the YouTube golf rundown. And unfortunately, uh you can speculate all you want, but the the fact of the matter is very, very few golf videos from famous YouTube golfers, whether it be Grant or from Bob Does Sports or you know, any I followed a ton, just didn't come this week. And so we yeah, we we don't have much to go on. The the last one that just got in at the the very last minute was the Bob Does Sports T-Flip Challenge. Uh, did you have a chance to watch that?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I did. Uh I really liked it. I mean, it's a fun way to kind of just throw some chance into it, and you know, you can get some bad luck, you can get some good luck. Um Joey and Bob took it at the end. Again, I think I've said this and I feel like I'm just being too critical, but Perez is just not playing the way that I remember him playing. And I'm seeing him struggling in these matches. So I I hope that hope that he gets his form back. But the other thing that was my main takeaway is I love having Jet in videos. Like I think he's super funny and very personable. And he's a great, he has great banter with Joey, and they like pick on each other. It's just hilarious. And I wouldn't mind seeing him in more videos. I think he's super fun.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

I couldn't agree more. I think Jet is, you know, now that we don't have pop, I think Jet is definitely taking some of that responsibility of being a little bit more on camera, and obviously Jensen as well. But uh yeah, I think Jet is hilarious. I think he probably is actually the funniest person out of all of them. And so yeah, I actually enjoyed the video. Nice and nice to see Joe and Bob get it done. Uh Joey's improving, Joey's getting back to his old ways, well as Perez might have caught whatever Joey got. But but he'll be he'll be back soon enough. The other thing that we got to talk about is this YGT. So I came off on a pretty bold take of like, hey, this wasn't as entertaining as I thought it would be. You know, I was kind of expecting almost an internet invitational. You know what? I couldn't be more disagreed with. There are a ton of people that are just loving this. And a small portion of the community asked, hey, you guys got to reduce the size of these videos because they're like four hours long. And the community that's backing and supporting it just came really loud this week and saying, Don't, don't reduce the time at all. These are incredible. It's it's so good to watch. So, you know, I mean, that's that's the thing is I think it does speak to a maybe different audience than than some of the other content creators. And I think that's great. I, you know, I think that if people, you know, really gravitate towards a better or more quality golf style and don't need as much of that banter or you know, comedy on the on the side, which is my preference, but that this is fantastic content. So they're doing great. And by numbers, we talk about the internet invitational being such a success. I think I looked it up minus the first internet invitational, which did get like nine million views. It's the high, it's so crazy high above. The other subsequent internet invitational view count is about the same as their average YGT video right now. So very in line with competing against that from a viewership standpoint. So they're doing great.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah. So what you're saying is there is a large market for people that want to watch that very, very long form content. Yeah. I and I find that fascinating. And and maybe it's like I hate to say it, maybe it's kind of a generational thing. Like I feel a little old where I don't have time to sit down and watch four straight hours. And like, sure, I can chunk it up and whatever, but maybe I just I kind of want to move on to the next video. But maybe I need to give it another shot and get into it. But I think I started watching it with the draft and everything, and I'm like, okay, let's get this going. Um, I just want to see folks play, but I'll, I'll, I'll have to let it ride a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, give it a go. I I really did watch this last the finale of the this last one uh throughout, and uh it was good. It was good. I still don't find it as entertaining. Like I could breeze through those four, three hour ones of the internet imitational without even blinking. Like I sit down and watch those whole these ones I do. I have to break it up a little bit and do a couple hours here, a couple hours there, but it was pretty, it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Now, do you think this is going to push for even more of this style of content rather than like 45 minute to an hour videos that most of the golf YouTubers put out?

SPEAKER_00 10:26

No. I think I think bread and butter for that style content is like that 45 to an hour.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Plus, you I mean you gotta think about there's so many heavy hitters in this one that it's pulling from so many different channels. So, you know, I think on a week-to-week basis and all that stuff, it you wouldn't be able to do like a four-hour video. So no, I think that probably stays the same.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

I also wonder if putting out these YGT longer videos has anything to do with less posting from others and that well, definitely from the the creators involved, no doubt.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Like I think Grant is probably on some sort of exclusive deal where he can't post well while they're on YGT. Same with Brian Bros. Yeah, yeah. Yep, that's what I was thinking too. Interesting. Yeah, it's it's it's a whole network, it's crazy. It is, it's becoming something something big. So that's exciting. All right, let's switch over to some professional golf, although that's just as professional, I feel like, these days as this. I know that there's the line, no, no more lines anymore. So let's let's focus on the Genesis. Obviously, it's a great tune-up for the open championship the following week. A lot of the times the players that do well at the Genesis translate it maybe not into a win, but do well the next week uh at the open. It's at Hurstborne Country Club, which unfamously was the ISCO championship last year, where William Mao won. Um, the previous winner and defending champ of the Genes, uh the Scottish Open is none other than Chris Goderup. So, what do you think about that? Going Chris Goddard to Chris Goddard up. Not surprised. And uh I think he's gonna rally here. Great way to defend your title coming in with a win. But we we decided last week we're running a new contest, we're putting some money. We are now down $60 on our bets. Okay, we're we're negative money into our master's tickets for next year. So we need to hit a winner this week. Who do you like amongst the field?

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Yeah, uh, I think it was two years ago that Bobby McIntyre won this event. Yeah, maybe three. This is his event. I I think he cares about this one in the open the most out of any other tournament. And I personally think there's something to be said about having kind of that personal connection to a certain course or certain tournament. Your mindset is going to be a little bit more elevated, in my opinion. Like when I go back home and I play the courses that I grew up on, I'm way more confident. And I think that's how he feels about the Genesis Scottish Open. It just makes sense. So, but also his game is is geared well to this course as well. So, you know, he's my first pick. Really liked Victor Hovlin's showing last week. Thought he played really well. And a lot of people were finally saying, like, this is the Victor Hovlin that we were, you know, we were looking at, you know, he was able to pull off that win against Scotty Scheffler, you know, maybe because Scotty couldn't make a putt, but he still beat him out. So Victor Hovlin, you know, when he first came on tour, everyone was like, he's the next big thing. And he kind of faded away the first part of the season, but I think he's getting his form back, and I think he's gonna be very competitive at this course. Uh and then lastly, we haven't seen too much of him, but he's played well here before. Let me see. I was just looking up his stat, and he is almost leading in distance off the T. And I think that's gonna be helpful for him as Ludwig Oberg this week. So those are my three picks.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

That's great. I have a similar theme of picking some Euros. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna get both. I always love this. I was trying to hit the uh the uh the other twins earlier this this year, but I'm gonna go the brothers of Alex Fitzpatrick and Matt Fitzpatrick. So you get a you get a substantially better value on Alex right now, although, you know, he just needs to turn it on, and I feel like this is a good place for him to do it. Um but I'm gonna take Alex and Matt, and then I'm gonna finish it up with Wyndham. Obviously in spraying it, gonna be a little bit less of a problem, hopefully, this week. And you know, he's obviously got a win too, uh a big win this year. So yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Wyndham and and Fitzpatrick's and and let it ride there. And and hopefully we get into the black on our on our masters pool so we can go to the masters and the open in a single year. Wouldn't that be a treat? That would be ideal. Yes, I'm I'm hoping for a win. We haven't done too well in the past, but I think we're getting better. I'm getting so spoiled. I just had an incredible run chasing the U.S. around uh for the World Cup, and next year we're just gonna get to go to the to at least two of the four majors. It's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I love the confidence.

unknown 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Um, all right, let's let's focus on the Pro Shop drop. Not too much. You know, I don't expect to see actually much for the rest of the season until we get to the playoffs, but we will probably see maybe a couple smaller releases prior to the open. But we did have something come across the desk this week. I'm always a sucker for blacked-out clubs. And this week we have the black vapor line by Titalist. What do you think of these?

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I mean, they just look so good. They look so slick. Again, we've talked about blacked out clubs before, and I always wanted the Cleveland Golf black pearls when I was in high school. And now that Titleist is doing these, we're like, oh no, now you want these ones. They just look great, and I'm not surprised that they did a really good job with it. I'm also not surprised that they're running 2,000 for a set.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I am. I mean, I know the new sets were upgraded to about $1,800 two years ago, but to see them already at $2,000 seems crazy.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah. And you know, I I was home in Orange County this past week and I got to go to Roger Dunn finally and try out some putters and some clubs. Zero Torque Wilson. I you I sure did. And I did like it, but I'll I'll talk about that in a in a second. Nice. But what I noticed, there is such a market for used clubs. There is no reason, in the same way that you know, you don't really need to buy a new car. You really don't need new clubs. Like I went over to the use section and saw like T100s from three or four years ago for like 600 bucks. And I'm like, these are in great condition, you know. And so when I see something like this, these $2,000, I'm like, these I hope are the last irons you're gonna buy ever. Or you know you're gonna hold on to them for a long time. But I get why people really love them. You know, look and feel are huge for me. And so if if that if that's the kind of golfer I am, this is what I would buy.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Great, great summary. And they also have the no, I mean it the they're great. Uh I totally am a person that likes value as well. And I what you just said is is exactly right. You could get a great set used, even year-old, two-year-old. It's crazy because there are always releases like this. There is an echelon of golfer that is the one that's buying the new car before the next, you know, the next one released. Like there is just the person who bought the latest release from Titleist last year and sees these and just gonna throw their clubs into the well of use, and it's it's a great steal. So I bought my last uh Mizuna set used off of eBay, actually, which is crazy. I don't know if I always recommend that, but uh yeah, I mean I save tons of money by doing it. So yeah, these look great, but probably not for me.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Fair enough. But to answer your question, yes, I did try out the Zero Torque putters and from Wilson, and I did like them. The head was actually quite heavy. I was very surprised. But what I did try out also was their infinite line, their like Buckingham putter. It's kind of their entry-level putter line. And that was one of the best feelings of a putter I've had in a long time. It was very strange. Then I go and look it up, it got Golf Spy's Golf Spy's best mallet of 2025. Seriously, yeah. It's 140 bucks, and I think I might get it just to go play around with it and see how I feel on the course rather than just in the store where the putting green is probably funneling towards the hole. But all I've noticed, kind of in the same vein of these black, blacked-out clubs, it's becoming more common with putters to just black out the putter face and put the white dots or white sight lines. It's just much easier to like visually focus on and it's not distracting. So I'm not surprised that we're seeing more putters like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

I agree. So you're telling me that you were considering by 150 entry-level putter and your dad a bet and Artie for like 600?

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah, that was the kind of what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah. Perfect. That's awesome. Well, cool. Uh, we're gonna we're gonna switch uh topics, I think, from maybe one elite sport to another elite sport, and obviously a very topical one right now with Wimbledon going on. Um, you got the first game of the day. So what do you got?

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Yeah, so I I've been watching a lot of Wimbledon. This is just a wonderful time for sports right now. You got Wimbledon, we got golf, we got the World Cup, we have baseball. There's just a ton of stuff, and I I love it. And, you know, what I like about tennis is that it's an individual sport. So I looked in, I was like, you know, there's gotta be tennis players who just love golf. And there are. And I just made a short list of probably the the the more popular golfers, and I want you to guess if they're a hack or a scratch. And I guess we'll be kind of loose.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

We'll be the lenient on the scratch for sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

But I I will give you the chance to guess hacker scratch, and then if you guess it right, I'll you can guess the handicap and we'll see how you do. How does that sound?

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Okay, sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Cool. So hacker scratch, let's start with Rafael Nadal.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

This is a real tough one because I can I can actually picture the interview where he gets asked about his golf game. And I think he says he's super inconsistent, but that is also something that a decent golfer would say, um, I'm gonna go scratch on this one.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Great guess. And scratch would be correct in both the general term and the specific term, as he is a scratch golfer, which is pretty amazing. Unbelievable. Kind of not that surprising, though. He's got the build to be able to really crush the ball. And you know, it's just athletes pick up golf easier than others.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

So I think a like, especially the ones that have like a repeatable motion to whatever they're doing in their other athletic field. And you know, swing uh is obviously wildly different for tennis, but it is something you practiced a million times to do a certain way, and golf and that mentality is very similar. So I'm I would be surprised if a lot of these people could be quite great golfers. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Okay, moving on to kind of the younger crowd, hacker scratch Carlos Alcaraz.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

I did. You know what? I saw him play with Bryson on that YouTube video, and I was pleasantly surprised. Now he was not Steph Curry level, but he definitely wasn't a hack. I'll go, I'll go scratch, but a very lenient scratch.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Very lenient scratch, definitely not a hack. If you had to guess his handicap, what would you guess?

SPEAKER_00 21:21

I'd guess a like a high single digit.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Pretty good. He's about an 11, you know. Yeah. And so, like, that's a solid golfer. You're shooting low 80s probably every time. Maybe sneak in some some mid to high 70s here and there. Um, I was just reading an article where him and another tennis player, like in the offseason, they were playing like every day.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

You know, which is what you hear about a lot of these athletes. So not surprised. Can we just take an aside and talk about LeBron's offseason right now? It's an elite level golf trip.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Really? I don't I haven't seen anything.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Yeah. Oh yeah. Where's he even going? Valley, Cyprus, Pebble, flying out. Oh, yeah. It's it's outrageous. Right. I think the boys just did a Scotland trip. The 2016 Cavs just did a Scotland trip. Solid.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

So is that or the 2016 Cavs? I got you.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

You know, that's so funny that he is doing that. You'd think that after doing that, he'd be like, actually, I don't want to play one more season.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

I know. I know. But it's, I mean, it's perfect. He, you know, this is his offseason one last time, and he's taking full advantage of his new addiction. And uh yeah, I can only watch with baited jealousy.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah. Well, I hope his swing gets a little better, and I'm sure it will.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

All right. Moving on to another one. Let's go, Andy Murray, Hacker Scratch.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

I once had breakfast sitting right next to Andy Murray as he was preparing for the Indian Wells Open. Yeah, we were staying at the same hotel. I sat down first. He sat down after. I could have touched him. He was so close. And we just ate our yogurt and parfait in silence together. Wow. That's so nice. It's so nice. I'm gonna go hack. I don't know why. I'm gonna and he's got the British thing as well. But if something is just telling me no, so I'm gonna go hack.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

You'd be wrong there. He is scratch, and he's actually held a one handicap at a time at certain times, and I'm sure he's probably still around there actually now that he's retired. But I had the tea shot. I was the long shot though. Yep. 100%. He is a close to scratch golfer. Um, yeah, the Brits, man. You know, they they love their golf. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

How would I how would I turn my back on my breakfast buddy?

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Yeah, you guys were best friends for that like eight minutes that you had breakfast together. Right. Very true. Okay. Um, what do we have? Roger Federer, my favorite tennis player. Hacker scratch.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

There's no there's just no way. I I'm gonna damn, I'm gonna dig myself a hole. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go hack.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Fortunately, he would be in the the generous scratch with around a nine handicap at his best.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Yeah, no, I mean that's that, yeah, no, okay. Jeez.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

I was reading an article where he picked up golf and he said all I wanted to do was get to a 12 handicap. And somebody met with him last year that he got around to a nine. Man, okay, okay. Yeah, okay. Last one. Uh I watched his singles match today for the quarterfinal. Novak Djokovic.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

No, he is still in it. He doesn't have time to be doing that. And so is Alcaraz, but no, I'm planting my flag. He's got to be a hack. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

I I would throw that he's kind of a hack at around nobody knows exactly, but if they had to guess, he's around 15 to 20 handicap.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Count Count us as hacks. That's that's in the hacks for me. Yeah. Okay, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Which it I was reading about it too, is that he's played several times with Carlos Alcaraz and his other his other tennis partner. And I'm like, what a cool opportunity to play golf with like your biggest competitive rivals, you know. For sure. The I the idea of I don't know who, Scotty Scheffler and Wyndham Clark going to play tennis, you know, like it's just it's just a funny experience.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

For sure. That is crazy to flip it like that. I don't know why, but the golf one like out of any sport, golf is the one you can see people playing, which is such a great thing to say. Like that that's such a beauty of the sport that like it's the one sport that athletes can can kind of go be on the same playing field. And I think it, you know, it has a lot to do with handicap as well. And that's a beauty of the game that I think should never go away. And yeah, I love it. Yeah, 100%. All right. Well, let's uh let's stay on something topical. We talked about Wimbledon, we talked about tennis, let's talk about Link style. You know, I think it's a you know greatly different game, Link style versus, you know, just any other type of golf that's called for our game purposes American style golf. Obviously, there are lynx courses in America, but it's not the predominant one. So I'm gonna run you through some some options. We're gonna go link style or we're gonna go traditional American golf. You ready? You gotta tell me which one you like more. Sounds good. All right, pot bunkers or water hazards?

SPEAKER_01 26:06

From a player's perspective, I would rather have water hazards. You know when you're pulling it out of the water, you take your penalty and you move on. You can be in that pot bunker all day.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Interesting. Yeah, that's that makes a whole lot of sense. Uh, they can be more punishing. And I don't know, I feel like even though a lot of the times the pot bunkers are much smaller targets in nature, you can account for them a lot less than you know, huge uh water hazards, and you can really play away from it. You just hit that wedge or something that's slightly off and you could be stuck in there. So uh that's a good call.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Yeah. I mean, especially the pot bunkers. You know, for a for a water hazard, it's just one large area. Pop bunkers, like you'll they'll usually have four, three or four scattered in an area that's probably larger than a water hazard. So you got to thread the needle sometimes, and taking that risk is not fun. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

All right, how about the elements? Let's go wind and rain versus a hundred degree scorching heat.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

100 degree heat all day, all day. I I would even go as far to say I would play in 105 degree heat rather than wind and rain. I just hate wind and rain so much, specifically wind, but that's that's my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

I think you're in the majority. I actually would go the other way. I hate playing in 105 degree heat. And I really done it a few times, yeah. And I don't know, wind and rain, depending, I think it's dependent on how strong that wind is. Rain is fine, a little rain is fine, but wind could just really screw you. I mean, if it's it's if it's gusting insane amounts, it's just no fun to play into that. So I get that. But I hate I hate hate just dripping, dripping sweat while while moving around a golf course. So even with uh a cold beer and a couple Gatorades? Yeah, no. It's just it there's a there's a temperature where it just becomes not enjoyable for me. Like a lot of times, desert golf in Vegas and stuff is not enjoyable. Fair enough. Yeah. Let's do walking with a caddy versus cart golf.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

I've never walked with a caddy, but it sounds lovely. I think I would like it more than cart golf. Like I I walk the course when I play by myself and I I love it. So I'll say walking with a caddy.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Okay, well, we we'll put that on your 2027 bucket list to to walk with a caddy. That that's that's a good one. But uh, yeah, I I think you made the right choice there. Um, how about pub after the round versus a clubhouse grill out?

SPEAKER_01 28:30

I've never done pub after the round, but that sounds super fun. Yeah, pub after the round.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

I cannot wait to go to Scotland with you and I know do all some of these, man. You're you're missing out.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

We're gonna check off a lot of boxes.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yes, yes, we will. Okay. Uh the style of shot that you have to play. We're gonna go a low punch versus a flop shot.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

I a low punch is one of the strongest shots of my game. You're amazing link style. I know.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

I'm going low punch. Love it. All right. This is a tough one. Always comes down to this. St. Andrews versus Augusta.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Oof. Here we go. I think because it maybe it's just because I know the open is upcoming. I I have to go St. Andrews. It's just, it's just iconic. And yes, I know Augusta is iconic, but I don't know. The the aura that St. Andrews has is very like you feel like you've completed something in golf by being there, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

I get what you mean. Yeah, when you bring the aura into it, like as you know, as great as the history is around Augusta and the memories, like something about returning to the home of golf and in St. Andrews, and all that that means is out of this world. So 200 years from now, there could be another Augusta that pops up 100%. True. There's only ever gonna be one St. Andrews.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Quote me. Hilarious pivot. Sheep versus trees. I love it, and I love wide open golf, so I'm going sheep. Nice, nice. Be nice to them, don't hit them. Um, all right, we'll end on this one. Kilts versus jackets. Uh jackets. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Jackets are cool. Ever since watching Happy Gilmore one, getting the gold jacket, which we know was the green jacket, you know, RBC Heritage, all those. The jackets are cool.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Although RBC Heritage, at least you get bus best of both worlds, you get a tartan jacket. So true. Yeah. But yeah, a good way to end it. Okay, cool. Nice. I I love that. I'm looking forward to embracing the link style for the next two weeks as we go through this stretch. All right. This is actually a topic that I've thought quite a bit about. And I always love hearing it, hearing people talk about it, because while the Writer Cup and the President's Cup are fantastic, I do think on a micro scale, some of these groupings and you know, proposed groupings could be some of the most fun kind of golf tournaments possible. They'll never happen. Let's be real, they'll probably never happen. But theoretically, if you could create two sides of a theoretical writer cup, who are you putting in what's your cup called?

SPEAKER_01 31:07

This is great because it can go so many different ways. So the first one I thought of, as I am very much a fan of tropical climate, would be the Islands Cup. And it would be island nations versus mainland nations. And, you know, kind of in the how the World Cup, we have them go to different venues, do the same here. We go to different islands and play golf and then and then switch it up. I just think that's so fun. And I I love watching island golf. It's just it's gorgeous, it's difficult, it's just fun.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

So I'm thinking who we get for island. I mean, obviously, you get Ireland, you get England, you get who else you get? You you get down south, you get Australia, New Zealand. Yes. Yep. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

So yeah, that's you you get uh your VJ Singh from Fiji.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Yeah. Yeah. And you get you get Japan. And then you get Japan. Yeah. And even and if you really want, you can take Rico Hoey from the Philippines. So there you go. That's that's good. I love that. That's first everyone else. One that I can't take responsibility for because people always talk about it, but the Viking Cup, which just does have like a very sick three locations to pull from. So Norway, Sweden, and Denmark have some fantastic golfers. You know, you have Oberg, you have Hovlin. I mean, you have a lot of great golfers coming out of those Viking nations. And I'm gonna put them up against an interesting opponent. I'm gonna call them the La Armada, and it's all of Spain's colonized regions. So I'm gonna put Spain, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Colombia, Dominican Republic, all Spanish-speaking nations under one group, and I'm gonna call them La Armada, and that's a hell of a group.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

I I think you're on to something here. This could be something pretty exciting. I like it.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Okay, so for my other one, I'm gonna kind of go the opposite direction. You know, I did tropical versus mainland. Now a cold weather cup. It'll be the snowbelt versus the sunbelt. So a lot of the the colder, snowy areas, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Scotland, Iceland versus the Sunbelt, USA, South America, Africa, Australia. I, you know, people don't golf when it snows, but what if we could get like one round in there in this tournament where the the ice is like just melting enough to where you can play? Sure. Have you ever seen that? No, no, no, and I think that would be unbelievable entertainment. Everyone would probably be miserable, but it sounds hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

I love it. Let's let's just put it in two locations. Let's put it somewhere snowy, let's get some neon golf balls and then let's go right to Madagascar. Exactly. Perfect. Okay, I love it. These are great. I'm gonna end on one that I would die to see, and I think you could market the hell out of it. Definitely have some good partners in this. We'll call it the wine versus beer cup. And so we're gonna go with nations that generally drink wine over beer versus ones that drink beer over wine. So we're going on wine side, we're going Spain, Italy, France, Argentina, Portugal, Chile, and we're gonna go on the beer side, we're going USA, Germany, Ireland, England, Australia, and and it's gonna be incredible. Okay, you're gonna have both sides absolutely drunk off their mind on that course from a patron side, may have the players as well, but patron side, it's it's just be amazing. I, you know, be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

How are we not doing this already? Like it it it kind of makes me sad that the rider cup is USA versus Europe. Like, what let's do this. This is way more exciting.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I agree. Let's let's get more interesting. You know what? The more I think about it, the only way this is gonna happen is if YouTube golf becomes so big that that we now have YouTube famous people from all over the world and we can create these cups. Otherwise, I don't know if we'll ever see it on the professional ranks.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

It's not impossible. I I think it can happen.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

I really would love to see that. All right. Well, that's gonna do it for us this week. Thank you for joining and see you next time.