S1E24 Tom Kim 1000 Day Wait, Birkdale's Open Championship, World Cup vs Open

In this episode, Dez and Casey explore the history of the R and A golf organization, discuss the upcoming Open Championship, analyze YouTube golf challenges, and compare golf with the FIFA World Cup in a fun quiz. They also share betting tips, review new golf gear, and share fascinating golf stories.

00:00 Introduction to the episode and main topics
02:07 History of the R and A golf organization
04:14 Preview of the 2023 Open Championship at Royal Port Rush
07:05 YouTube golf challenges and viral content
12:05 Betting tips and predictions for the Open
14:59 Discussion on new golf gear: mini drivers and tartan releases
19:56 Fascinating golf stories and legends
25:01 Comparison: Claret Jug vs. World Cup Trophy
30:01 Golf vs. World Cup: Which has more pressure?
34:54 Cinderella stories in golf and soccer
40:07 Emotional moments in golf and soccer
43:08 Closing thoughts and upcoming events

History of R and A golf organization
2023 Open Championship preview
YouTube golf challenges and trends
Golf vs. FIFA World Cup comparisons
Golf betting tips and strategies
Latest golf gear reviews and releases
Fascinating golf stories and legends

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

The Open Championship gets underway this week. You've probably heard the name RNA a dozen times, but have you ever stopped to think what it actually is?

SPEAKER_01 0:07

You know, I really haven't. It's kind of one of those things where you just assume it's some sponsor putting it on, but I know it's not that.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Well, it goes back way, way farther than that. So it goes back all the way 270 years ago in 1754. Small group of golfers at St. Andrews formed what would become the Royal and Ancient Golf Club. And then in 1834, they invited King William IV to be a patron at the club. And then he marked it Royal and Ancient. And so that's where the original initials RNA stood for. Now, for the next 170 years, that private club didn't just play golf. It governed the entire game. It wrote the rules of golf. It's very much like our USGA. But then in 2004, everything changed. The governing responsibilities were spun off into a separate organization, now simply known as the RNA, not standing for royal and ancient. So it's kind of crazy. I mean, I know we hear the term all the time, and I just accepted that, you know, RNA equals USGA, but it's kind of ridiculous and crazy how it all started.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Yeah, that's super interesting. And now I wonder, since they lost all of that power in the the world of golf, are they still the ones who get to say, like, okay, this is considered a royal golf club, like royal Liverpool, et cetera? Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Oh, it's actually the it's actually the king or queen's responsibility for deeming a course royal. And so obviously there's a ton of royal courses that happen for the US or for the Open Championship. But the most famous one, which actually is a royal course, but it doesn't bear the moniker, is St. Andrews.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Wow. That is really interesting that that doesn't bear it. But what you're also telling me is that theoretically, the king and queen, or I guess in this case, the king, can come on over to any local muni and declare it royal.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Yes, royal dad miller is gonna happen. Perfect. Awesome. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Oh, scratch golfers. Has the game grown too much? Do we need more scratch golfers? I'm telling you, have to slow the game down. You can't grow golf if people are chunking it into the weeds all day.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Everybody, it's Dez, and welcome back to the Hack and Scratch podcast, episode number 24. It's open championship week. I'm so excited. I'm so excited that I decided to do the most non-open championship thing and go to Hawaii. And that's where I'm celebrating from today.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Hey, I mean, I'm very jealous. I would love to be in Hawaii, especially, you know, we're upon the final major of the season. And to be honest, I'm sad. Like I love major season and I'm getting ahead of myself, but I hate that final Sunday at the open when you know that it's a long time till the Masters rolls around the following year.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Sure. We have we have a huge layoff in in our season. Obviously, there's a playoffs, and I'm excited for that. And I think once it switches to match play, I think it'll even take on another shape and animal, which will be fun. But with no Ryder Cup this year, so it does feel like an extra long layoff until the next big event. Um we're gonna enjoy it this week. Should be a great one.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah, I'm excited. This is gonna be a really good open championship. Haven't had an event here in I think it's almost 10 years now. So pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Absolutely. Well, before we get ahead of ourselves, there's the famous tune-up event that a lot of players partake in, which is the Genesis Scottish Open. Pretty surprising victor, in my opinion. I've been kind of betting them all year and didn't take him this week, uh, unfortunately. And we're down $120 now on our bets. But um, yeah, Tom Kim gets it done. Pretty amazing uh another Sunday, big tournament.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Yeah, and uh props to Tom Kim. I think it's been almost three years, maybe a little bit more, since his last victory. And he had just a very strong uh closing round to finish it off. And to be honest, I didn't think he was gonna take it either. If you would ask me who was winning after Friday, I said Rory had it in the bag, you know, but he just kind of collapsed on Saturday, which didn't give him any shot to really catch up. But Tom Kim just had a very consistently strong game at the Genesis Scottish Open. It was pretty cool. So I was happy for him. You could tell he was pretty emotional after that win. So it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Another crowd favorite uh in contention as well, which was Menwu Lee. It was nice to see him get things on track, especially going into a week where, you know, by all accounts, if he plays his game, should do quite well the open.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Absolutely. And I think, you know, coming on over from the states where maybe you can't hit it anywhere outside of the trees, and then you're moving to a link style course. If you play well the week before, you're ready to take on the similar challenges at the open. So I I we'll talk about it later, but I have strong high hopes for Minwu Lee.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Absolutely. Well, eyes will be on uh Rory McElroy this week. I think minus that bad Saturday, he's pretty prime and ready. You know, I do kind of wonder if he no, he valued last week, but he also took time to think, okay, no, can I work on a few things? Can I tune a few things? And maybe it got him off his game on that Saturday and wasn't quite in the hunt after that. But uh yeah, I I I'm curious how what do you think of Rory this week?

SPEAKER_01 5:30

I mean, I I have strong confidence in him as well. He's just, I think, in the best form of his career right now. And, you know, he's not a 25-year-old kid anymore. So he's gonna have these strong showings now, and I don't think we're gonna see as many of them later. But I I just feel like he is very comfortable with the second master's win this year and just has no fear going into the other majors.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Absolutely. Well, before we get into the open championship, and obviously we're gonna talk about that. Let's skip, let's skip around and let's go to some uh YouTube golf. After having a down week last week, it felt like it picked up a little bit more. We got a few more videos than we have been getting. Uh, nothing, nothing encapsulates YouTube golf more than a bob does sports drinking challenge, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

You know, I was watching this at four in the morning while I was holding my kid and I watched the whole thing from start to finish, and I had a consistent thought through my mind throughout the entire video in that I think I'm living my life completely wrong because I should be out there doing that as well. It's just like I was so jealous the whole time. I'm like, this looks like so much fun, it's ridiculous, but these guys are having such a great time, and I just I wanted to join in.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

I yeah. Absolutely. Well, they needed you to join in because they were really struggling on the golf side.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

They were, and I mean, they kind of almost pulled it off. They they kind of they had were off to a slow start and then got a little bit more consistent, but uh, you know, they were they were a bit toasted already, like on whole three, so kind of all downhill from there, but they hung in there, they didn't quite get to that six under, but yeah, throw me in as a ringer, I could have finished it off.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

They they needed you. Well, we did have, which was I feel like I saw so much of it on my social feed, but I really didn't understand what the hell was going on. Kind of how I felt the whole week is like, oh my gosh, something's big's happened over at good good and they're doing some sort of challenge, but I and it was recorded live a lot of the time, but I I could not understand what was going on. Did you catch much of the good good stuff?

SPEAKER_01 7:37

So it's so funny because I wrote this down as a reminder to go watch the whole thing. But same, I saw a lot of clips on social media where I'm like, this sounds pretty miserable. It looked like they had mapped out, I think, four or five holes that they couldn't leave until they got a hole in one on each one. So, you know, uh I failed in actually going and watching the video, but the concept is kind of brilliant. And so I'm gonna have to go back and watch it. But this seems like something that was pretty brutal, and I'm looking forward to watching.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

There was also, while this was going on, I feel like Barstool, and you know, forgive me for not being part of the young crowd that knows this, but the uh the Nelk ELK boys uh crew were also doing a hole in one challenge where they couldn't leave until but this was just a single hole. And so there was just a ton of hole-in-one challenges this week. And so I was getting confused who was running what, and it was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Yeah, that it's an interesting challenge because it's you, you know, you're kind of gambling. You could literally be there for a few days, if we at least, you know. So it's a bold challenge.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

The bar stool side, they were bringing out multiple golfers hitting shots in at the same time. It was smart. They actually did have different color golf balls to know who eventually got it in. But yeah, that that's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

That's funny. Well, we'll have to go back and watch that and maybe do another recap next week because it looked like there was a lot of content on that.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Sure. Well, the evolution of YGT continued on, and Brad Dahlkey's team got the win. Were you able to catch up on that a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 9:10

I was able to catch some of the highlights, and I honestly like shout out to that team. I mean, great work, and it seemed like they were pretty stoked. Again, kind of similar conversation we had last time in that when I pulled up the video and I'm like, I don't have four and a half, five hours to watch this. So I kind of skipped through to various parts of it just to kind of get the commentary, and I like the flow of it a little bit better. It seemed like, I don't know, I liked it a bit more. I could engage with it a bit more, but uh and it looked like it was more competitive. My only complaint is I want a leaderboard the entire time. It looked like there were times where they would take it away and and move it and hide it for a few minutes or something and be like, where'd the leaderboard? I just want to know who's what shot this is and whatever. But other than that, I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

I have a feeling if I were to be to be betting on this, I feel like that team takes it a lot of time. I like I would almost say three out of four events, they're gonna win. Uh I told you this from the get-go. I do not agree in um Grant's pick and and team. I think that team's gonna be far out of it for a lot of the time, unless they get pretty lucky. But this team with Brad, Sean, Peter, I mean, those three are by themselves elite. And if you sub out Garrett for a good um guest spot, it's pretty unbeatable.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

I mean, yeah, and Peter Finch on there, like, come on. It's just, it's it's a pretty unstoppable team. So I agree with you. Wouldn't be surprised if they did very well throughout their whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

All right. Well, we had a little bit more YouTube golf this week, which is good. I I do think once we get past major season, that's where it's gonna thrive. Um, from the August to to all the way to the new year is when it really thrives. And I know we got the internet invitational coming down the pipeline, and I'm really looking forward to that as well.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Yeah, one video that I saw today that I didn't watch yet, but Bryson posted a video today that said something like, playing in the tallest trees in the world or something. And I'm like, really? You posted this today? Like uh the second day of open week, you know. I thought it actually kind of spoke a lot about where the priorities are. And uh, you know, I actually can't fault him.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

I mean, if you're gonna prepare for Royal Port Rush, you might as well play with the tallest trees in a Yeah, it it just made no sense.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

And it's so funny you say that because um Nick Faldo either yesterday or the day before came out and said, like, Bryson is kind of a joke. He's he's not prepared at all. So to think he actually can be competitive this week is ridiculous. Uh of course, I'm summarizing whatever it was that Sir Nick Faldo said, but he had a good point. He's like, his mind is elsewhere, and he would be shocked if Bryson was able to pull it off this week, which so would I, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I'm in a one and done contest, some pretty good prize money, and I'm I'm in the hunt for it. And this, I I cannot even believe it, but I'm gonna get through major season without picking Bryson DeChambeau. And I, you know, I would have never guessed that going into this, but he's just too big of a question mark.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yeah, nope. I think that's totally fair. And I think everybody else feels the same way. So, you know, once those comments about I don't know if I'm gonna go YouTube golf or professional golf, everyone's like, oh, well, he's not invested then, you know, if if if you have to think about it.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Crazy. Uh, anyways, let's let's just get right into it. Uh Royal Port Rush this week. We haven't been here I think since I'm sorry, I I said Port Rush, but Burkdale. We haven't been here since uh 2017, I believe, was last time. And so yeah, it's it's a it's an interesting track. Don't have shot link data, which is kind of the tough part. So normally the the core stats that we do have, we don't really have for a lot of the open championship venues. The Royal Burkdale is definitely one of them. And so, yeah, a little bit less data to go on, but it's linked style golf. We know what to expect here. Does a little allow a little bit more freedom off the T. So a lot of the time we like some big hitters here. Who do you like this week and why?

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Yeah, and you know, it's funny, the the big hitters, it does make sense, but at the same time, like I really do think precision and being able to hang in there is a huge factor to not get overwhelmed by hitting it in the fescue. So my pick this week, and I know these are kind of maybe some of the other top picks, but Rory, I just think he he knows this style of golf very well. I thought he did well last week, minus his his kind of blunders on Saturday. So he would be my first choice 100%. And I would not at all be surprised if he were to win. Secondly, Aaron Rye, I still think has another win in him this season. Don't know if it's going to be here, but I hope it is. Similarly, more experienced on Lynx courses than maybe your average golfer. And that's that's a big deal. I think his attitude is just perfect. He I watched his press conference this morning. He seems very confident. So I like him. And then lastly, based on last week's performance, uh, Minwu Lee, I just think he he's got it together. And we all know how dangerous Minwoo Lee can be. So if he was able to kind of almost take the Scottish Open last week, even being a few groups behind, he has a real chance to to win it here.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

And I think I would love so much if Minwu was in contentious at a at a major and the uh the open sounds sounds so good. And you would get some real big money if you had bet Aaron Rye to take down two majors going into this season. I know. You you would you would have that new car. You would have that new car. That's right. We'd be going to the Masters for sure. Three for the next couple years. Yeah. No, I like those picks. I I really do. And and how could you uh aid Rory? Rory's looking great, minus that Saturday. He he's looking fantastic, he has so much confidence. I think he does really well this week. I am gonna go on a couple different angles. Uh I think Wyndham's just playing some fantastic golf. I know I think it's his ability off the T right now, and then his approach games have just been dialed for many, many weeks. I like Wyndham. Wyndham's kind of one of those people you play when he's hot and he's hotter than ever. So I'm gonna go with Windham. I just would love to see something happen for Neiman after his incredible season on Live. And I know it's on Live, but the the narrative and the storyline was it doesn't matter that he's won eight times if he can't do it on the PGA tour or you know, with with PGA tour uh competition. And so it would be really nice to cap off this year for him. And he's he's such a great player and great person. I'm hoping for Neemon Neiman with it a little bit this week, and it's probably more of a heart bet than a head bet, but he fits the track as well. Last but not least, man, stop the presses. I'm gonna pick Colin Morakawa, and you're not. This is wow, this is wild. Cables have turned. But I do, I just think he has the right game. Obviously, he's he's one of Claire Jug before. I think I think he can get it done.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

I I agree with you, and I think that's a good bet. I'm always bullish on Colin Morakawa, and especially him being a previous winner, wouldn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Well, we're gonna keep continuing our series since we've started our series. We've lost two weeks in a row. Hopefully, we get it back on track and and win this week and have a little bit more funds to play with so we can get those masters tickets.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yep, we'll get it. We'll get it.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Well, let's uh let's change angles. Uh, I know we're obviously going to open championship. Martin is gonna be in full force as far as the limited releases and and drops. But before we get there, uh I want to talk about a driver that has been catching all the headlines this season, but now they've extended that with their success to a mini driver, the GTS 300 mini driver. What do you think? What do you think about mini drivers in general?

SPEAKER_01 16:58

You know, it's so funny because I have never used one. Actually, that's a lie. The only one I used was like the old tailor-made one when we came out when we were probably like 12 or 13 years old. They had like a mini driver for a short time. That being said, I have not tried it at my current skill level, and I would really like to because there's times where I feel like I can't control my driver and I need the extra yardage, but the three wood just won't cut it. So I'm curious about it. That being said, I am not paying $550 for a tidalist mini driver because that is a brand new tailor-made driver with probably maybe even a better shaft. So don't love the price point there.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

I am still waiting to try a GTS and just try them out uh at a golf facility. I I think I've been looking, I'm I'm still on the uh LA Maverick drivers, and I've been wanting to change those up for a little bit. And you know, I do want to try out the GTS. I would love to get another year of golf in and let those drop in price on secondary market before I did it. But um, I do want to try those out. Not a mini driver guy. I probably should be, honestly, with with with my game and just taking a little less off the T. But yeah, I I looks cool. Clearly, they're trying to capitalize off their huge success with GTS, but but probably not for me.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, just 550 is a tall order for a for a mini driver, let alone a driver. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Now, Sunday Red has been interesting. I feel like first I thought this was Tiger's brand. But ever since Tiger got into his accident and had all the fallout, they've been more, they've been more promotional than ever, which makes me think that Tiger really isn't control, isn't it in control of the brand. And they are just they're scraping. They put out release, I think, for every single major and in between, constant 90s nostalgia releases. However, they released one for this week, and I hate to say, but I I actually like it.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Yes, I I was gonna say the same thing. This is probably my favorite drop so far out of all of them, and that's saying a lot because there's been some good ones, but this is the first time I looked at this where I'm like, I might use all of this stuff, and I have never said that before about Sunday Red.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

I like their their bag that they put out, this one. Very classic, very old school, very lightweight sandbag. Really cool there. Arden is everywhere, so you should know that. But I think the detail that I like the most is their use of which I think they call it like it's technically ox blood red, but I think they call it tiger blood red in their promo materials. And it is that just kind of more burnt classic red, and I think it looks great. Looks great on all their stuff for this week and has a little bit more classic feel to pair with the tartan.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Totally agree. And I I think even though it doesn't totally fit in with the rest of the drop, my favorite piece are the shoes. I think the the red bottom shoes with just the the logo on the side and the the white sneaker style, I just I would wear those in a heartbeat. I think they're very slick. They're not trying to do too much like a lot of the other Sunday red stuff. It's just subtle enough where I would feel comfortable. Like, yeah, I would wear these and not feel like an a-hole.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah, it's a it's a really great looking shoe without doing too much. You're right. Well, good, good on them. They've been they've been releasing more than any other brand has this entire year. So they're bound to have some winners in there for sure. So we're on to the games this week, and we have a blind rank to start, and I'm gonna walk you through the best open championship courses that we have, and I'm gonna have you blind rank them. We're gonna have six today. I'm gonna have you blind rank them one to six. You ready?

SPEAKER_01 20:43

I am, but how is this even possible? I mean, they're all just they're all just amazing, but I'll try and then I'll get dragged for it.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Yes, exactly. Well, I appreciate you taking the bullets. All right, we're gonna start off with an interesting one. We're gonna go Royal Liverpool.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Royal Liverpool. I mean, this is where Rory won his open championship, I believe. I've always wanted to visit this course. It looks amazing, very lush. They have that whole, I think it's part three called the Little Eye. It's got like an elevated green and everything outside of it slopes out, which is kind of not, you don't see it too much in this style. But so that that's kind of the only thing that's memorable to me. It's a cool course, uh, but I'll put it down towards the bottom, put it in number five. Nice. Here's one that I like.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

I'll see where you place it.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Royal trune. Royal trune's an interesting one because I think immediately I kind of get a bad name because I think about the other trune courses that are here in the US, and some of them are just terrible. Then again, like it's got that beautiful postage stamp hole, is I think that's what they call it, where it just looks like it's out of a painting. It's just beautiful. But I think as far as like atmosphere and scenery, there's some other ones there. So I'm gonna save it. I'm gonna put that towards the bottom at six.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Six. Towards the bottom, these bottom, okay. The the bottom, yeah. The bottom. All right, here we go. Royal port rush.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

See This this is one that I want to play. Well, I want to play all of them, but this one is kind of my vibe. It's it's more coastal, beautiful ocean views, long fescue that just blows in the wind. It's it's just gorgeous. So this one has to be up there as far as like scenery is concerned. So I'll put that up there, number two.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Okay, nice. Well, let's see where this one goes. St. Andrews.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

See, and I knew this was going to be on the list, so I was saving it. This has to be number one for me, just because of the nostalgia, the history, the significance. And I, you know, I'm curious if people agree or disagree for those that have played the old course. They're like, oh, it's not worth it, or it's whatever. I'm like, yeah, but it's St. Andrews, you know, it's it's not Tory Pines, it's not Augusta National, it's it's not Cypress Point. Like, it's St. Andrews. So to me, that's just number one. Just the history of it. It's gotta be. Exactly. Exactly. How about Carnoustie? See, I love Carnoustie. And unfortunately, when I think of Carnousty, I think of the terrible collapse on the 18th hole by G. Valdeveld. But like that hole specifically is iconic with the river running through it and the bridge. It's just, it's a really, really cool course to me. So that'll be up there too. Put that number four.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Well, then that slots Royal Burkdale right in there.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah, which I think is a good spot for it. I think Royal Burkdale is one of the more beautiful ones. They're all incredible and beautiful, but just the valleys that some of the holes create at Burkdale is so cool. And especially like on the 12th hole, I think it is. It's just you're you're in one single valley, and I don't know. It's just got a great feel to it.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I'm really looking forward to at least seeing maybe checking off a couple of these for our lists next summer with you. St. Andrews, we got to make it happen. We got tickets. Can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Yep, we're gonna do it. It's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

All right, on to game number two. We have one of our more popular series, Truth or Bad Lie. All right.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Yeah, so I did some research um specifically on Burkdale and then some research on the open itself and just found some incredible facts and some, and I came up with some incredible lies and that I want you to tell me if it's uh the truth or a lie. All right. Okay, so to start us off, we got six questions. Here's the first one. The Royal Burkdale Clubhouse was built in 1897, but it was demolished in 1903 after the club realized they built the clubhouse on the adjacent property. Man, so six years later they gotta shut it down. Uh go true. That is actually true, which sounds crazy. Where hey, did nobody check who had the property line, you know, in 1897. But then again, we didn't have all the rules and regulations we do today. But but I thought it's pretty funny. Six years later, they they tore it down or rebuilt it.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

I'm surprised they couldn't convince that other person to let them carve it out. They would have had a hell of a lifetime membership if they just let them keep their glove house.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

That's what I'm saying. At least a membership and maybe some royalties, you know, for every tournament they had. Yes, for sure. All right, next one. So you're one for one. Before the claret jug was introduced in I think I got the 1872, the winner received a black bowler cap with their name embroidered inside. I don't think this is correct.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

I'll go bad lie.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

That's a bad lie, but here's where it gets a little funnier. Um, it before 1872, you received a silver belt buckled leather belt. Worse than a bowler cap. I think it is. I think I would have preferred the bowler cap. 100% I would have too. I don't I don't need a belt. You can get a belt anywhere. But good, you're two for two. Okay, so this next one. Tom Morris Sr. is the oldest winner at age 46, and he won in 1867. His son, Tom Morris Jr., is the youngest winner, and he won just a year later in 1868 at age 17. Yeah, I've heard this story.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

This is true.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

This is true.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

I'm gonna go, this is true. Yeah, this is a fantastic story. I it's so long ago that no one really knows it, but just just the details of it is so cool. Um, that you know, your son wins it the year later. See what you can do, dad. I'll do it better. Pretty cool story.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Very cool. Uh and Tom Morris Jr. went on to win it three times in a row, actually, after that. So pretty incredible to to set records two years in a row with a father-son duo. Like we'll never see that again. All right. Next one. So you're three for three, I might add. Amazing. Okay, next one. In terms of Royal Burkdale, there's a huge toad population surrounding the course, and their sound can be so loud that caddies are authorized to throw them as far as they can from the course to prevent noise.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

When toads, this is this is a crazy one.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Um I'm gonna go true. It's it's kind of a half-truth. I got you there. There is a large toad.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

They're not throwing them.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

They're not throwing them. They're not throwing them. But there are there is apparently a large toad population. They can get very loud at times, but I think they they do have measures in place to make sure it's not a nuisance. But I thought that's pretty random, kind of funny.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

They're not piping in toad sounds through this through the speakers in the trees.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

As far as we know, yeah. All right, so you get a half point for that one. Yeah, exactly. All right, next one. Royal Burkdale has never had a British winner at for the open championship. Wild.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Uh oh, I just can't even it's probably true, but I just can't believe that. That's such an unbelievable fact. I'll go bad by.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

It is true, actually. It's never had a British. And you know, it's funny because at first you think like, of course, they've had a a British winner at Burkdale, but you've got to remember, like, this tournament sometimes only comes to this course, in this case, every nine years. So it's not that many opportunity. There's been Americans, Europeans, I think South America as well, but no British winners. Kind of interesting. All right.

unknown 27:46

All right.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

So this last one, this is more Burkdale related. Um, but in the 1969 Ryder Cup, which took place at Royal Burkdale, it was Jack Nicholas versus Tony Jacqueline. Nicholas hold his putt and immediately conceded Jaclyn's short putt, resulting in the first and only Ryder Cup tie, which had the U.S. retain the cup. It was considered at the time a very strong expression of sportsmanship.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

I think anyone who loves the game of golf and appreciates knows that this is true. I far one of the, I mean, I loved watching the documentary discussing it and how Jaclyn, I think he was shaken. And I think they interviewed Jack in the documentary, and they were like, I just couldn't imagine letting that guy miss that putt. He's just like, no, there's a chance that he did, but have your entire life be marred by that single moment and you couldn't let it happen. And it's just, I mean, you know, all the, you know, mentality talk we talk about Tiger and stuff like that. That's so cool that Jack could have been that good, that compassionate as well. I love it. It's one of my favorite stories in golf.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yep, and it's absolutely true. It was so cool. And it's funny because I agree with Jack. It's like you don't want to force this guy to be a Bill Buckner of golf. And it's it's it was a very cool kind of showing of sportsmanship in such a gentleman's game. So really cool story. But yeah, you did great on this. You got most of them right. Well done.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Great, those are great ones and some great stories. I mean, it's exciting for this week. All right. Last game, we're going to go through some very topical questions. Uh obviously, not only does major season come to a close this week, the FIFA World Cup, which has taken place in the US and in North America, also comes to a close on Sunday. And uh would be pretty cool if we had a a uh golfer from Spain, a la, maybe John Rom, and maybe one of the English golfers going head to head, Royal Burkdale this week on Sunday, and the same time, you know, we had Spain versus England. I think that would be a fantastic World Cup final. So, in lieu of that, we're gonna discuss what which is better from the Open Championship or the World Cup. All right. I think you've seen this, but who has the better trophy? The Claret Jug or the World Cup?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

People are gonna hate me for this, but I think the claret jug is way better. I don't totally get the the World Cup trophy. I think it I think we need something new. I don't know. I love the Claret Jug. I just think it's iconic, but then again, I'm a lifelong golfer, so you know, I'm biased.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

What is a huge soccer fan? I actually agree with this one. I think the jug is so sick, especially with the spout and the way it is. It's very unique. Honestly, the World Cup, I get it, but it looks like a fake treasure that you would have placed in Indiana Jones. Like just the all goal, like it's if there's something that doesn't look quite real about it. I would I would agree. Good, good on you. Claire jug. All right, what's more pressure? A six-foot putt to win it or a penalty kick to win it?

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Honestly, I'm gonna say a penalty kick to win it because you're playing for your whole team there. You know, for your six-foot putt, you're typically just playing for yourself. So yeah, that's a lot of pressure, but I would feel worse missing the penalty kick than I would missing the six-foot putt.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

What I think most golfers would agree with you. You know, they always talk about how the Ryder Cup is so different because you're playing for someone else. Here for soccer, you're playing for someone else as well, playing for a whole nation. So I totally agree. You got to give it to penalty kick. All right, you're you're cruising through these. What is a worse collapse? Missed three putt or a missed penalty?

SPEAKER_01 31:23

I think the three putt, you know, it's just it's one of those things that you know you can't do in a major if you want to win. Missed penalties happen. We've seen several this World Cup that are very surprising. So a worse collapse is definitely a three-put, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

You're you're you're killing this. Okay. Now, what has the better celebrations seen? All right, the final close, the 18th green, the World Cup final whistle. What do we got?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

And here's where I'm gonna lean more golf still. You know, winning on the 18th green of a royal golf course that dates back to the 1800s, the history of that is just is too much and it's too significant. Not saying that where's the World Cup final this year? We'll be in MetLife Stadium. Yeah. You know, I think that being said, having your whole team celebrate with you on the field is awesome. But being on the 18th green of a royal golf course or MetLife Stadium is pretty clear.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

No, I I totally agree. And I think there's something beautiful about golf, which is yes, you have people's favorites, but no matter who's winning on Sunday, everyone cheers for you for your win, right? Whereas you might have stands that are divided and and whatnot, but everyone's so close to you around that 18th green and everyone erupts no matter who's the winner. That's such a cool part of golf that you don't get it in a lot of sports. So that's great. Right. Which is the longer road? 72 whole ruling golf major or a month-long tournament.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

I think the month-long tournament for sure. I I the the World Cup feels like it's been going on for a long time. And you can just, you know, push through four days of golf, but you have to like deal with the anxiety and the buildup of all these different games in the group stage to the round of 32, 16, semis, all that. That to me is more mentally enduring, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Is the bigger boost to a person's overall legacy open championship or winning the World Cup?

SPEAKER_01 33:18

I'd say open championship. I mean, you you're like the sole survivor out there and your name is engraved. You it's forever going to be in that locker room or on that trophy. Not saying that's not the case for the World Cup, but to me, it's it's it's more it's more significant.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

I think the the key there is individual legacy. I agree. People remember teams and stuff, but with very few exceptions, players kind of get forgotten. So agree with you there. What's a more painful runner-up finish?

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Definitely the World Cup. I mean, I I think because like similar to the month-long tournament, you've worked, they've worked, you know, years to get here. And, you know, a month-long tournament to get all the way to the finals only to be the runner-up. That's that's gotta be a lot. You know, you go through all of the wins, the ups and downs, and then, you know, it doesn't happen. And then you got to wait four more years when if you're the runner-up at at Burkdale, you're playing St. Andrews next year.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Totally. Totally agreed. And and runner-up in golf comes with a lot of benefits. So you have to take that into account too. There's a little bit to ease the pain. Uh, your unbiased takes here are good. I love it. I what could happen or what makes the better Cinderella story? A deep run from a no-name team in in the World Cup or from a no-name golfer in the open.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

I think the no-name golfer would have to be very no-name. Otherwise, you can just be a golfer who got hot and pulled it off. I think rather to have somebody who is expected to be out of the group stage to win it all would be pretty incredible. And there would be several documentaries on that.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Oh, this is good. No, I think I was watching a little bit of Wimbledon and I saw Ferry, who is the English countryman, get to the semifinals. And I mean, that's just that's it, that's an incredible thing as well. You rarely see it in golf. Maybe they get in contention, but usually on Sunday, it's not the talk of the town. It it it takes a very special case. So I I like that. Okay, last one. We got a great last one. What is more likely to make a grown man cry?

SPEAKER_01 35:20

And you know, I think for me personally, it's it's a win at uh at the open. But based on everything I've seen on the World Cup this year and how just much people are into it, I think the World Cup is more likely to make a mo a grown man cry.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

I I appreciate your unbiasedness on this one. I I I tend to agree. I think the emotion around the World Cup is is just something like I I've never seen. I I've been lucky to go to a bunch of games this year. And yeah, I don't know. Soccer is very like a religion for a lot of these countries. And it it's it's pretty incredible to see the emotion. So pretty good. I don't know which way you went on, but you had a good balance of of both sides of things. That was kind of fun and that was good.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Yeah, I kind of didn't expect that. I feel like I would have been super into all the golf stuff, but having watched so much World Cup, you're like, yeah, I I see it. I get it. I get why people are so into this.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

No matter what, it should think for a very, very exciting Sunday. And I can't wait to to sit down on the couch and watch the the golf in the morning and the World Cup in the afternoon. Yeah, that's gonna be great. Right. Well, that's gonna do it for us. And thank you for joining and see you next time.