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The "Sob Story" Trap: Why We Said No to BGT & Married at First Sight

• Faith & Zara • Episode 14

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Is "Reality TV" ever actually real? 📺

This week, Zara and Faith are diving into the addictive, dramatic, and often scripted world of reality television.

We’re sharing the behind-the-scenes stories we’ve never told before, including why Faith turned down Britain’s Got Talent after they asked her to use her alopecia as a "sob story," and why Zara declined an offer for Married at First Sight.

We also tackle the "dating rejection" that left us with our jaws on the floor, the 3 AM thoughts about the Love Island villa’s accessibility, and why we’re still waiting for a bald woman to walk into the villa.

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SPEAKER_01

Hi, I'm Zara. And I'm Faith. And we would like you to sit down with us every Wednesday. So on today's episode, we want to jump right in and talk everything, reality TV. Mm-hmm. Everyone watches, everyone loves.

SPEAKER_00

Well, some people love. Some people are not keen on that. I think people just love the drama, I think. Like it's something else to talk about. It's one of those things that you go into work, like, oh, to just see what X-Y Z happened yesterday. And yeah, I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01

Sometimes it's like a guilty pleasure. Like someone would be like, what you up to? I'm like, oh, I'm watching this like interesting documentary. Secretly, I'm watching um Secret Mormon Secret Wives of Mormon Secret Lives. Lives of Mormon Wives. I promise I do watch it, but I didn't even know what it was called. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just watching this fascinating documentary about history. Yeah. I mean I do love both, but just depends on what maybe I mean.

SPEAKER_00

I think everyone's watched it because it's it's also includes like your classic Britain's got talent, X Factor, your ITV, like all of that. I class that as reality TV as well. Yeah. Because I like as you'll get to know a lot of reality TV is not reality, but it's it's there to show reality.

SPEAKER_01

You'd be surprised how much of it is exp scripted. Right? Yeah and we heard to talk about some of those scripts. But yeah, I think it's fair to say that reality TV is showing a certain look, is portraying a certain look of everyone and like a certain lifestyle and whatever.

SPEAKER_00

And sort of everyone needing to abide by those standards. Yeah, and I feel like just jumping back from what we said last week on terms of body positivity, I think it's helped shape almost negative connotations of body positivity with what we see online. 100%. Which I think definitely has escalated from certain TV shows. Because for me, I'm like, why am I not seeing more people of difference and disabilities within that media, with on like on that platform? Yeah. Because everyone will experience love, everyone will experience, you know, a talent. And so why can't that be mutual?

SPEAKER_01

He almost sends the message that people like us aren't normal. Yeah. It is is weird because it's like because we're not seen in the social media, and obviously social media and reality TV is a big thing, especially in today's day and age, and not seeing yourself be represented in those kind of scenes.

SPEAKER_00

And I think it's like when you do see someone who looks different or has a disability that's on a screen and on a reality TV, you're like, oh, that's well cool. And then nothing else happens. You just think like, oh, that's a nice moment, rather than it being like, like you because you don't say that about your stereotypical, like blonde, yeah, you know, you just she's just like a normal She's just normal, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And that's what we I think the whole concept of the podcast is making disability and a difference normal within society. And part of that would be having people with difference and disabilities included within these things. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

In almost like a very respectful way. Which we'll get into soon as to why it's not done.

SPEAKER_01

And also in a way that is not a substory, which again we'll get into in today's episode. But yeah, yeah, let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00

So to kick it off, I think the most talked about known reality show TV series would be Love Island. It's starting soon as well. It is a June.

SPEAKER_01

Is it in June or July? I honestly I don't watch it anymore, to be honest. I don't really know. But for me, I think thanks to TikTok, I know there's like a stigma with TikTok and whatever, but sometimes I watch these things through TikTok and I'm like, I like to be in the know. I like to know what's going on. Yeah, and like I I love a meme as much as an ex-girl. So I'm like, I want to understand the memes. Yeah. So I do sometimes watch it through TikTok just for the memes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah. But I think on Love Island you definitely do see, I think a beginning, people were going on there for love, and you see like couples from past series actually going on there and finding love and then now married with kids, and yeah, but a lot of people have come out and said it was a career move for them. Yeah. Which, fair enough, if you're approached and it fits where your life is and you're single and you're like, you know what, let's go. Fair play. Like, who wouldn't? Like, I get that, but I think it's definitely now turned into just pretty faces and just wanting a boost in more of that popularity contest type of thing.

SPEAKER_01

And it's just like, no, like it's like you are judging someone. Obviously, you get to know their personalities, and we only get to see what, like, an hour of their day, and we don't know them, and it is important to remember that, especially with the show coming up, like you don't know their life story by watching it for an hour.

SPEAKER_00

You see barely an hour of what they are being filmed every single second of every single day. Definitely, and you see an hour of what is cut and edited, like you don't see their small conversations where they're having a big heart to heart. You might get like two s like a two-minute bit of that, yeah, but not all of it. So I think it's definitely good to give them grace through this, but again, remember it's made for TV. Yeah. So it's gonna be dramatised for TV.

SPEAKER_01

And yeah, as much as it's all fun and games and not really reality, even though it's reality TV, it would be so good just to see someone with a disability. I know. Well, I think Tash, who with Karen. Gary, Gowrie? I do actually. Yes, I do I love Tash. I loved her through dancing dancing on ice, I was gonna say, but strictly because dancing. And no, she's great, I love her. And I think she was the first person to go on there who was a person with a disability. You know, I'm doing that. It's she's I think she's hard of hearing. Yeah. I think that's what they call it. And she was the first person to go, and I think I do think they handled that really well.

SPEAKER_00

And I think for me, before Kaz, because I've met Kaz and it was after she had experienced alopecia, and she ended up um donating her hair to Little Lady Locks. Um, the charity that I'm running for this uh May, by the way, if people want to get to know more of that, sponsor fundraise. If anyone's got really long hair as well and wants to chop for summer, seven inches, that's all we're looking for. It goes a long way and it helps little girls get wigs, which is exactly what Kaz did. The videos are all online, it's gorgeous, and Kaz is a beautiful human. But I love that she went back on and actually spoke about alopecia and she had a moment there to kind of she didn't drop names or drop companies because obviously national TV, you don't know how they're gonna swing it, but yeah, she came on and spoke about her alopecia journey, and I just thought it was so beautiful because you don't see you don't see it that often, like someone actually talking about their experience from the first ball patch to now it's fully grown back. It's just such a nice way to use your influence. Yeah, I love that. And I think there's more influencers now doing that, which I think is so vital because it makes them seem more human. Yeah. And not like this picture perfect individual from reality when this is reality, you go through ups and downs of life, and I think that is so organic when those two individuals have gone on that I just want to see more of that.

SPEAKER_01

And I think it's really important to know, bottom line of like our podcast as well, is that a disability or a difference can happen to anyone at any point in their life. It's important to not be like, oh yeah, but that's that's not gonna be me. Or like, oh gosh, what's that?

SPEAKER_00

Like it's 100%. I didn't know at 10 years old I was gonna have a ball popped at the back of my head. No. And then 15 years later, here I am now. Yeah. With no head.

SPEAKER_01

Well, like, I mean, obviously with me it's different because I was born with the condition, but like you could literally get I mean, a bit morbid, but you could literally get hit by a train and be paralyzed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well just just unlike some of the guests we've ha already had on, Kai, he had like a life-changing accident when he was very young, 18, and now obviously he's thriving and learnt new ways of life. Yeah, so I think again, just more awareness and more visibility of that, because I think that will also help enhance the beauty culture and therefore enhance body positivity in a positive way and not a toxic way, which we delved into a lot last week. If you want to go check that out, please do. So then then this would make more sense. Yeah, I think. Because yeah. Because I would love to see a bold woman on Love Island. The dream love.

SPEAKER_01

I would love to see it. I would just love to see a little man or a woman wheeling about in a villa. I just want someone wheel about. I want to know if it's accessible. Actually, if you are, if you've ever been on Love Island, or if you're part of the production, not that you'd be watching this, but if you are or listening, hello, um, please let me know if it's actually an accessible, a wheelchair accessible wheeler. Because that's like my like 3am thoughts sometimes. Yeah. Keeps up at night. Like, you know, like this is gonna be really rogue, but you know, you know Tom and Jerry? Were you ever a Tom and Jerry fan? Yeah. Do you know that lady that you never saw her head? Yeah. I've always again another 3am thought. I always wanted to see what she looked like.

SPEAKER_00

And I imagined her with like glasses, got like a big note, like a like a cartoon granny. See, I always imagined her with pink curls.

SPEAKER_01

Pink curls? No, pink curls. Oh. Pinned curls. It's like, you're really thinking about it at 3am. Oh yeah. I'm like drawing out and I'm drinking. Um but yeah, again, that like knowing what the villa looks like, I don't know about whether it fits accessible.

SPEAKER_00

3am thoughts. But I think going back to like what you think something should something or someone should look like makes me think of Love is Blind on Netflix. And it's like, I know it came from the US, and now there's a Brazil, you've got Spain, you've got Australia, Australia, obviously the UK one now. And I feel like again, it started off people there to find love, connecting on personalities, beautiful. Some are going on there for the wrong reasons, which we saw, I saw in like the last few series.

SPEAKER_01

What I love is that you're not allowed to describe what you look like. No, which do you know what? Personally for me, love it, but also I'm thinking if I can't relay that I'm disabled and you see it for the first time, I don't know how I get that.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know what I mean? Because like I, like when I met my partner, I like not warned him. You don't have to warn anybody about a condition, a diagnosis, anything. You don't need to warn them because it's not a scary thing for them, it's more for you. And so I kind of let him know that look, this is a photo of me without my wig. I'm wearing a wig right now. Do you understand this? This is me, take it a leader. And I think it's more daunting on our end because we've had those negative reactions. Yeah. And for even though you've got to know someone on a personality level, meeting them face to face is different. Can also be speaking of negative reactions.

SPEAKER_01

I know we've covered kind of dating in February, and that was a while ago. But something that happened to me uh what a few weeks ago. They were about to throw handles. Are you gonna tell the story? I am, I think it, yeah. I need some water. I think like saying that, like, that rejection of like when you first meet someone, um, not quite the same, but basically, um I was talking to someone on text, and I got the realization that he didn't quite realize that I was in a wheelchair and I was disabled. So we were just chatting and chatting, I'm not gonna go through too much detail. And then I dropped in the fact that I was like, Yeah, I don't think you've realized, but this is a situation. And I was like, okay. And then he asked loads of questions about it, and I was like, this is what and then he came back, and the conversation slowed down, and he was a really fast replier. So I was like, something's not right. I was like, okay, and then he came back and he was like, not to sound like a horrible person. He said something else, but I'm not gonna say it. But he said, not to sound like a horrible person, but if I had realized that before swiping, I wouldn't have swiped. And fair play for the honesty, but I didn't need to.

SPEAKER_00

There's such things as a white lie. No, fair play of a bubble-wrapped man. I'm sorry, like have there's more people than you in the world. I'm sorry, pop your bubble babe.

SPEAKER_01

It's like white like you could have literally blocked me or ghosted me. You did not have to say that you would not have swine.

SPEAKER_00

There's there's there's more eloquent ways to turn someone down. I know it's feeling it's fear for him if I find him.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, no, you wouldn't. He does not live in Manchester. Not gonna tell you where he lives, but not in Manchester. We won't bump into him anytime soon. But yeah, I was just like jaw on the floor because of the audacity. I hate like I laugh because I don't laugh, I'm like too. Too sharp to speak. Yeah, I'm just like, hang on a minute. But anyway, I think we've digressed. But yeah, going back to Love is Blind, it's a great concept, but might not necessarily be a great concept for someone with a disability or slash difference. But on the other hand, it's I think it It's tackling that don't judge a book by its colour, which I love. And I think it gives people who are who don't have a disability or difference that little bit of understanding as to what necessarily what we might sometimes go through when it comes to dating. You know what?

SPEAKER_00

I actually love Love Is Blind more than Love Island. Oh yeah. Because the majority of people there are there for love, are there to match and like find a connection, their wife, their husband, yeah, at the end of the day. And I think it's altering their perception of what they think they want to actually what they need. And I think it's helping people open up their mind and open up possibilities.

SPEAKER_01

And yeah, as much as like physical attraction is important and like you need to be physically attracted to your partner, but it goes beyond that, and I think that's what the show represents, and I love it.

SPEAKER_00

And it is an experiment at the end of the day, like in every episode they go, It's an experiment. And even at the end, they go, Is love is blind? And everyone kind of says it is an experiment and it's different for everybody, but yeah, like it's a show that obviously I wouldn't go on, I'm in a committed relationship, but I would I would have loved to go on one to experience, but also just to I guess challenge myself and put myself out there. I think it's something for yourself and massive out your comfort zone vibe. See, I don't think I'm mentally there. Yeah. I I yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like imagine that thing opens and he just like walks away. Like, yeah, no. My on national national TV. On his Netflix, on national TV as well, like Yeah, naturally. I would go into like a Kermit in the hall and like never show myself. But I see this is the thing, I would love to think of myself as confident, and I really am confident. If you know me personally, you know. But just I couldn't do that. I think it's a lot to process. Let us know if you would. Yeah. If you were asked tomorrow to go in Love and Splind, or the violence again, would you do it? Yeah, would you do it? Obviously for the right reasons. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Or not. Spice it all, let us know.

SPEAKER_01

Tell us, yeah. Brandy all's, maybe. I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_00

I mean literally.

SPEAKER_01

Actually, funny enough, I was um approached. I was approached to go on married at first sight, would you believe? Obviously, I'm sat here, unmarried, and very single. So needless to say, needless to say, I declined. But the reason I the reasons I declined might not be necessarily the reasons you think and I think one of the main reasons I did decline was one again of how that person would see me walking down the aisle and just be like running away the other way. And two, because I was I didn't know how the public was gonna perceive how you were gonna be edited, yeah. And like, even if I was edited the nicest way possible, which I'm just gonna say it, a disabled gal, if you edit me in a bad light, it makes sense. You're gonna bad like you're gonna come out is even worse. So I knew I kind of knew that was a safe bet in terms of the show, but also you can be the nicest person possible, but the public are just gonna think what the public think. Yeah, they'll still be able to pick you apart and find something to hone in on. Yeah. And I just was personally not ready for that. And I just think just there's something's better left alone. Like I just, yeah, I'd rather not know what every single person out there thinks of me. Yeah. You know? And I know we said like it would be great to have representation and bloody blah de blah, but before we get to shows like this, having representation, we need to think about, well, the public need to think about their perceptions, which again we've talked about previously, of people with difference and disabilities, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I think marriage at first sight anyway, really homes in on like relationship issues as a whole and conversations that you need to have. Yes that aren't that's not talked about. No. Like people think that you know what a relationship's gonna be like, you know what conversation you're gonna have, you know the like if a guy cheats, you'll leave, but no one really talks about why the cheating happens and then what comes before that, and what's left to that, there's always a story. Like the no way am I victim blaming, like that's not what I'm trying to do here. No, we're not judging a free zone. Yeah, but it's the it's the fact that the show really helps watchers and participants understand the process of a relationship and making a marriage work.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they're like actual experts in the show. I was gonna call it judges, but they're they're all the experts. Yeah, which is cool. Like it's a great concept, and in a world where my disability wouldn't be picked apart, or I wouldn't be judged because of my disability. Not that saying I would, but it's a very high chance. Let's call a spade a spade. It's a high chance.

SPEAKER_00

I think people have a already an people already have an idea of what they want in a partner, and so it's like when you add other things into the mix, like alopecia looking different, a disability or a condition, they're just like, oh my gosh, what? Yeah. And it's almost like leave space and make space and to grow in yourself.

SPEAKER_01

And to maybe give them the benefit of the doubt, it maybe part of it is the unknown. Like, what am I gonna be? Like, like we've said, I'm every disability is different, every difference is different, obviously. The clues are no difference. Oh my gosh. So I might not be exactly the same as another person with the spin of Wiffer. Uh so I get the whole being uncertain and but like don't judge, like ask questions. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah. My big thing right now as well, if someone like stops me in the street or just not honestly, it always happens when I'm food shopping. Just always it always happens in Tesco's or scenes where it's every time, like someone will stop me or an interaction will happen and they'll ask about my alopecia. Really? I think it's like where I live now, I'm like the only bald gal. You know, I've seen one other woman, but I haven't seen her since. So it might have been a fluke thing. Potentially, I might scare you.

SPEAKER_01

Like one girl in a town is enough. This is my town.

SPEAKER_00

Moving away. But I love, I do prefer now when people ask questions and are open and want to know because it's edu it's education on both parts, then. This is so interesting because I'm the opposite.

SPEAKER_01

Like if someone comes to me. I never used to. I used to be like, Why are you talking to me? No. See, if someone comes to me and asks slow the questions, depends. Like, I've had it when people come up to me and they're like, oh, my daughter's disabled, like, does this work, blah, blah, blah. Like, oh, how'd you find this chair? I've had that loads of times and I love it. When it's relatable, I'm like, oh, like yeah. But if it's just like a random man asking me questions, I'm like, listen, just Google's free. Knock yourself out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, am I asking you what your sock size is? No, no way. Yeah. So, yes. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01

No, but true. That's really true. But no, um, yeah. So yeah, it's interesting that we've got different things.

SPEAKER_00

I haven't always been like this though. I used to like hate it and like eye roll and just give really blunt answers.

SPEAKER_01

But that's where education starts though. So I guess it is a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00

I need to hammer it. But in terms of like going back to the don't judge a book by its cover thing, when I was at uni, my main thing was this. So I did my dissertation, I started in a wig, did like a little poet about the reason why I shaved my hair off and ended up taking my wig, makeup, eyebrows, eyelashes off within this performance. Yeah. And I've now replicated that performance for Little Lady Locke's charity events I've done in the past. And it's that's it's that point of like, don't judge a book by its cover. You actually don't know what a person's going through. Just because they look nice, they've got present the like well put together, presentable, you've no idea what's going on with that person at home. Regardless of a reality TV show, regardless of what you see on TV, you never know what someone's going through. No.

SPEAKER_01

And yeah, it that comes back to reality TV being heavily edited. So just just take it with a pinch of salt. Yeah, but maybe like a heap of salt sometimes.

SPEAKER_00

Take a bag. Take a bag. Exactly. Right. So to continue on from my dancing background, I was approached, I want to say, two years ago. Who were you approached? Maybe a year, a year or two ago, by a woman scouting for Britain's Got a Talent. Ooh. And I was like, this is sick, like this is really cool. I'd love to do that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I knew straight away my concept would be starting a wig, take the wig off, and finish without the wig. Basically, the performance I'd do for Little Lady Locks and what I'd do for my dissertation, I'd replicate into a similar book. Yeah. Would have been calm. To be fair, everything kind of happened for a reason. I gave myself food poisoning. I didn't mean to, it was an accident. Just like on purpose. Not self-harming myself, no. I accidentally got food poisoning. And so the tape I sent through was not my best. Okay. And she was like, let's try again next year. And I was like, actually, no, this isn't for me anymore. Because, not because of the food poisoning, because of what they were wanting from me. So before I even mentioned that I wanted to start in my wig and then take my wig off, they already asked me to do that anyway. So that was number one. And so I'm like, I'm fine doing that if it comes from me.

SPEAKER_01

Dad because you ask me to do that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because it's that's from like that's my experience. It's like it's my it's not a performance. Yeah, it's my you know, it's my difference, I'm outing. Yeah. And you're not gonna force me to do that.

SPEAKER_01

Like, imagine you weren't comfortable with that.

SPEAKER_00

What then? Yeah, it's like I forced her, I I was forced to hide my alopecia for so many years. I'm not doing it again. No. Not being asked to do that again, no. So I was just talking on the channel and I was like, right, I kinda had this concept anyway, blah blah blah blah. And then more conversations kept going, and they were like, they really wanted to hone in on like the woe is me side of it all, and like make it a big sob story. Oh no, no, no. But I'm like, if you'd asked me like what five years ago, maybe because I hadn't fully accepted my alopecia then, and I was still upset, still upset and processing it all, but then I obviously wouldn't have done it anyway. I would have I wouldn't have wanted to be on stage.

SPEAKER_01

You don't want to advertise that having alopecia as a substory, like it's an impact, like you want to empower women.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's like I want to show that yes, it was traumatising losing my hair at 10 years old, waking up and seeing hair on my pillow, on the shower wall, on my partner, being like, oh my gosh, I'm molting like a cat and I can't stop it. Like it feels awful when you don't know what's gonna happen. And alopecia alopecia gives you this false hope that your hair will grow back one day, which for some, for many, it does. But in my case with alopecia universalis, it didn't, obviously. Sat here bald with no eyebrows on. Ball than beautiful. So ball, yes, she is, and then but just from the Britain's Got Talent conversation, it then made me look back at all the other contestants in the past and just think, gosh, they love a sob story, but also with the dramatisation of it all, they actually said that when I'd semi-tape him, if they wanted me, it wouldn't be my choreography. They'll get a choreographer in to help, and all they wanted to see was tricks, flips, turns, jumps, and I'm like, that's not dance, that's accro. Like I'm a very much like a traditional dancer. Like, I believe if I'm gonna do a flip in a routine, that's accro. I don't see a flip as dance personally.

SPEAKER_01

It's almost like they wanted your alopecia story, but with their idea of what the talent should be. Yeah. Like putting your talent aside and just using the alopecia.

SPEAKER_00

Don't get me wrong, if you want me to do 20 questes, I can do that, babe. But if you want to know what that is, if you want just loads of turns. Oh right. Just turns with the with a with a fuette of the leg. Fuate. Fuette. Oh my god. We're going ballet.

SPEAKER_01

In a little dance class, yeah. Ballet, yeah. But like if you want me to to do one of fetch photographs, that'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00

But we should actually do it. It was just like don't get me to do a flip because I can't, for one. Like, I quite like my neck in one piece. Right. So, yeah, it was just very much like Scott, if we got you on, you would be doing this, and yeah, I wouldn't have much say. And already they wanted me to whip my wig off, I made a way for the performance.

SPEAKER_01

I'm so surprised that Brittany's got talent like this, because it's like your talent. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00

Not the pr what the producers want as much as much as it was my talent, it would have been my dance and my story, they would have had a lot of influence. Yeah. From what from the vibe I got personally. Interesting. Yeah. How was that? So I didn't do it. So yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01

How do you say and I think a great myth to take away from today is that reality TV isn't actually reality. No. Like, I'm sorry, but like we've said, you get an edited hour of their day, and mind you, these people are in these villas, in these places for how many weeks with no contact to the outside world. I'm sorry, but if anything goes wrong in my day, I'm on the phone to you, I'm on the phone to my mom, I'm on the phone to blah blah blah blah. They don't get any contact. No, so you naturally get in your head, you naturally act on first instinct, instincts.

SPEAKER_00

100%. And I think as well, the scenarios that the individuals are put in are not normal everyday scenarios, they're very high stress scenarios, and they're definitely almost regimented and drilled into them to get content.

SPEAKER_01

They want to make the TV. For example, now I'm in the dating world. Um, imagine obviously you know the person you're dating is likely dating someone else, but you don't get to see it in like like you don't get to witness their dates, you don't get to witness their chats, but in a place like Love Island, you get to see that, and that's obviously gonna have an effect on you.

SPEAKER_00

Like that's like you're human. I think as well, like in real like actual reality, if you don't get along with someone, you just don't speak to them, you don't see them every day. Whereas in this high pressure situation, you're stuck with seeing them every day. Yeah. And so of course you're gonna get those blowouts, the the heated convos, the arguments. So I think take with a pinch or a bag of salt sometimes and everything you see on TV, just don't fully believe it. Yeah. And just don't be a keyword warrior. Yeah. Just what I was just about to say. Don't be kind. Like, especially this summer when more reality TV soaps and TV series start up again very soon. Please be kind. Whether there is someone of a difference on there, be even kinder. Like, because they're putting themselves on a platform where they're probably one of the many of the first people actually putting themselves out there with a physical difference or a disability. Like, let's be kind.

SPEAKER_01

Be kind. It's also interesting because I was watching an um interview of this actor, actor, not really, not really IT TV, I know, but this actor being like so he's played a really nasty character, and he was like the abuse I get online and in person. And it's like, guys, I was just acting. And like we said, reality V isn't reality. Half of those conversations are scripted. So they are basically maybe like 60% of the time acting. Yeah. So it's it's not real. Not saying like they're not genuine people, but sometimes you've got to do what you gotta do for the views.

SPEAKER_00

Which is what a TV wants, really. They just want to put it in high views. But yeah. So yeah. That's it. So that's reality TV for you.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. We've um uncovered some uncovered, uncovered some myths, had some great chats, uh-huh. Told you that we've been approached for Britain's Got Talent.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um MAPs.

SPEAKER_00

Amazing. I've had a Love Island thing sent to me as well, but obviously that would be a big lifestyle change for me if I went on there.

SPEAKER_01

I can picture you there on the villa, just like chilling. But maybe not. No, I just could I just go together. If we could like bring a bring a possum, I would love to go. If I could bring a post one. Yeah. Yeah, I think my partner might have something to say, but yeah. You'll just sit on the sidelines. You're not gonna have to do anything. Um, what's this? Maybe ask him not to watch this because he's gonna hate me. No. He's gonna be like, listen, she's not great influence on you. Get gone. What is she saying? If you don't see a pot next week, I've been cut out. No.

SPEAKER_00

Oh dear. Anyway, thank you so much for listening or watching today's podcast episode. We hope to see you again next week.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, next Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00

Bye. Bye.