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SPEAKER_00Today we'll be discussing how would God run a factory. And we're joined by Dave Munson. Dave is the founder and owner of Saddleback Leather, which is a high-end leather goods business he started out of his truck while he was doing missionary work in Mexico. And you're gonna love this tagline for the company. And that that's because people love these products so much and these things last for so long and are of such premium quality that whenever you pass on from this earth and you're uh those who come following you will be wanting to divide up your uh their inheritance. That bag is gonna be one of the premium items to be uh divided up. And uh you also got to go check out this viral video, how to knock off our bag. I'll have the links to those in the in the show notes, but he's so confident and you're gonna love these bags so much. I mean, when you just look at it, you're gonna be salivating. I know that's how I was. Um I typically don't go you know for the more high-end stuff, but I mean this just looks I can see why people are just so obsessed with uh what you're doing. Um, but he actually there's been so many companies trying to knock off what he's doing with cheaper materials and cheaper craftsmanship that they've just created this incredible video, how to knock off a bag, which really shows the the attention to detail and quality that goes into each of these products. And Dave and his wife direct a large portion of the profits to sporting missionaries around the world. And in fact, they are missionaries with what they're doing. You're gonna hear about that. So welcome to the Christianity and business podcast, Dave.
SPEAKER_02Well, thanks, Darren. Those are some pretty fine, kind words there. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, I definitely dug into a lot of your uh what I could find, at least on Google and um and your website and some of those videos, and I just love the the products and the and the personality and really most of all the heart behind it. So so Dave, you got a degree in Bible and theology, and then you started this company. How did that come about? And how did you first begin to integrate uh the Christian faith with entrepreneurship?
SPEAKER_02So I didn't mean to start the business. So um, you know, I was youth pastor and typical youth pastor. I was burning out after a few years, and so I thought, well, what do I do now? So I thought I'd go back to school and uh go back to get work on my master's, and uh they wouldn't accept me because apparently my 2.29 GPA wasn't good enough for the master's program. So so they said uh and I was like, I didn't even have to study for it, and I got a 2.29. So totally anyway, they wouldn't let me in. So um at but at the same time, I ended up getting in, but at the same time, someone said, Hey, would you come teach English down in Mexico? Um, volunteer, raise support, um, at this Christian school kind of near Mexico City. So I was like, you know what? I prayed about it. I was like, yeah, this is a no-brainer. So I did. Um told a piece about it, and uh, so I moved to Mexico. And while I was there, I was looking for a bag, like this bag I had in my head, something like Indiana Jones would carry. And I couldn't find one anywhere. And so, but I found a guy making bags. So um I had a bag made, and the whole time I thought, yeah, I'm here to learn Spanish and so I could do ministry with these youth, when really God had something far bigger for that, and even 10 years before that, he gave me a heart for Mexico, and I went on a mission trip thinking, oh, God wants me to minister to the poor here in Mexico on the border and build a house or whatever we did. And but really, he was developing it so I'd go to teach English, and then then ten years later, what I'm doing now, and actually 14 years later. So um, yeah, so I I had a bag made, and uh everyone, everywhere I went, uh people would tap me on the shoulder, they go, uh, excuse me, sir, where'd you get that bag? You know, when I got back to the US, and four or five times a day up in Portland, Oregon, people were asking me where they could get a bag like that. Um so anyway, I ended up moving back to Mexico, sold real estate for a couple of years while I was having these bags made. I ended up in Juarez, Mexico. And my black lab and I ended up sleeping on the floor of this $100 a month apartment, uh, no hot water for three years. And all the money I saved from not paying rent, I would deposit it into the bank account of this father and son further south in Mexico, and they would send up bags on the bus. I go to the bus station, pick up the three or four bags, take them over to El Paso, and I used a friend's mechanic shop at night to you to sell my bags on eBay. And then I'd come back in, I'd I'd deposit the money in Iuarez, they would send up seven bags, and then 14 bags, and then 20 bags, and then it just kept going. And then I'd buy more dog food, pay my rent, and I'd go back down to like nine bags and then 12. Anyway, um, yeah, it just kept growing and growing and growing. And um yeah, it was really, really a blessing. Um and then uh and then I was down in Panama with my brother on this trip, and I stopped to at this little cafe internet cafe in 2006, and I met or I went to eBay, did you see the auctions? The bags were selling for $710 for this uh for two bags, or each, $710 each, and I thought, wow, that's really high. And anyway, I I clicked out of there, went to MySpace, and there was this really pretty girl. She was she she was she asked me, um, hey, where is Multnomah Bible college? And man, that was great. So I got back to the US, flew into San Antonio to meet her, um started uh commuting back and forth, and then next thing, five months later, we're married. Um nine months, 15 minutes later, I had a beautiful baby little girl, and now I have a little boy, and it's been they had 10 wonderful years. So we started our own factory in Mexico um in 2008, um, and it's been super cool.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Well, the as I was saying earlier, the products are are they just look amazing, and and I absolutely love what I'm hearing about is happening down there in Mexico and and the way that you're uh caring for these employees and running this factory, uh God's way. Before we kind of get into that, I don't want to like gloss over the craftsmanship aspect of what you're doing because it's such you know, from uh uh from a Christian standpoint and really seeking to honor the Lord with our work and business, you know, it's it's not only about evangelism and you know and and doing good to other people, but but I can tell the integrity is very important to you, and and it and it it seems evident that it really affects your craftsmanship and the uh the materials that you use and the uh the the quality, a devotion of quality. Could you talk about just kind of the role that that that plays?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, um it seems like that whatever God did, He did it with quality. Um, the temple, the tabernacle. I mean, it was kind of like wow, this is the nicest in the whole world. You know, whenever someone would see what what Israel had, it was the best in the whole world, it was the greatest, it was the nicest. And so I figured that that I'd want to have a business that represented um the kind of business that God would own. And I don't think he'd be trying to get the lowest price out there so people would buy more of his things and this it seems like he would do high, high quality. Um and he would, I mean, it just seems like that's the way he would run run a business. And so I decided to go ahead and and move forward with that. Um and yeah, and so we do really high quality, we're very relational, um, we love people, and and we treat people really well, and I just think that that's the way God would do business. And so, yeah, that's that's where that's gone.
SPEAKER_00And people can see that in the in that video how to knock off our bag, uh, where you actually show people what goes into uh to making that bag. And I love what you were saying about the way that when God does something, he does it with excellence. And I was literally just thinking about this on my run yesterday about uh when Jesus turned the water in into wine, and the people were saying, Wow, you know, usually it's flipped where you know the the the best wine comes out first and then the the old wine comes out second. And it it it's it's not like Jesus can make old bad wine, you know? And and like if Jesus makes it, it's gonna be the new, it's gonna be the best, and and and that is evident in as a as a quality of your company uh or a value of your company.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, well, you know, speaking of that, the wine that was the best wine that could ever have been made and will will ever have graced this earth. And we will not have wine like that. I'm not a yeah, and that will until we're in heaven. Uh because it was the best he makes the best.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, he did say greater works than these shall you do, so who knows? Maybe um there's a a Christian uh vendor out there that that's working on something that might even um might even exceed it. Who knows? Um that's probably another theological question for another another discussion. Yeah. So I want to hear about this factory. You know, you were quoted as saying if God had a factory, we think this is how he would run it. So, what what are some of the things that you've been doing to take care of your employees, uh, particularly down there in Mexico, where is it 250 employees that you have down there now?
SPEAKER_02Uh, I think it's around 230.
SPEAKER_00230, okay.
SPEAKER_02So uh a guy came up the other day, came up to my office or the conference room room where I was working, he and he came up and he said, Hey, uh Dave, I just wanted to tell you thank you and for the daycare. We have a free daycare there. And and then he just started crying. And he's like, Well, let me tell you. And he went through and just had to keep stopping to cry. And he said that up until now, he said he had three little kids under five, uh, a two-year-old and twin three-year-olds. And he said, and he his wife both work for me. Um, and we we pay him normal, pay him what's going a going right in the community, or if not a little bit higher. But something had happened where he couldn't go have daycare for some reason. I'm not sure what that was, couldn't pay for it. But anyway, so we're they would drop the kids off at at his mother-in-law's house uh way out of town, and he'd drop them off on Sunday night, and then on Friday night or on Saturday night, he would go pick up the kids. He and his wife go pick up the kids. And he said, He said, now because they're at the daycare, I get to be a dad, and I get to put my own kids to sleep. And my wife, and my wife gets to be a mother and and mother her kids. And uh, and it's the kind of daycare we hire, we hire um uh people who love God, like who really desire a relationship, a personal relationship with God there and at the factory, and and they're kid people. Do you know you have baby hogs, people who just love babies? Yeah, we hire them. And so these kids run to the door to get there, to go in, and they cry when they have to leave. And they learn it, they're learning English, they're learning the Bible, all the Bible songs, um, they get nutritious meals. I mean, the parents are like, oh, it's so much nicer dropping our kids off here, knowing they're cared for. And uh, so we're pouring to the people with that. Um, we have a, you know, where I was teaching English back in 1999 and 2000, uh that school is a couple hours away. So I I called them up and said, hey guys, could you open up a school here by my factory? And you know, the uh Synthro Noe is the in is Noe International is the place. And could you open up a school? And for the kids of our employees, the older kids, it's a four-year English program. And they prayed about it and they said, Yeah, absolutely. So we fully fund uh the English school, and so they're breaking that cycle of poverty, um, which is you know, it's easier to mold clay than it is to bust bricks. So we're working on those kids. Um, but anyway, there's really high rate of graduation and from high school, and they go off to college and all that stuff. So uh we're we pour into them there. We have uh have you have you read the book Love and Respect?
SPEAKER_00I have I'm familiar with the concept. I have browsed, I've not read it uh cover to cover, but uh I love the concept.
SPEAKER_02Dude, you gotta read that book. It totally changed my marriage, completely, totally changed my marriage. And so anyway, I'm I'm down there, I met this pastor, I went to his church, my wife and I had the kids, and it was really a cool church. We're like, wow, this is a cool church. And afterwards I said, hey, so what's this church about? Talk to the pastor, his name Pepe. And he said, uh, oh yeah, well, and he he opened up his laptop, opened his laptop up, and there was there were some images from love and respect, amor y respeto. And he said, I I we teach marriage courses here. And you know, here at Saddleback, we in the US, we offer Love and Respect a streaming video of a weekend seminar, marriage seminar, or the book. We'll send it to them and have people read the book together. Yeah, it's just huge. So now we offer that with our employees in Mexico. Um we want their marriages to be healthy. Um and we offer, we haven't started the financial stuff yet, but we've tag teamed with some missionaries there. Um local in the area, they come in and do morning devotions. Um you know, and they know we love them. And so uh, yeah. So they're just just the other day, just yesterday, I saw a post from one of the missionaries said that 10 people gave their lives to Christ. Um in the 2015, we had 105 people gave their lives to Christ. Um and so they're the factory. So we're about at about a hundred, we're about 50 percent are have come to Christ now at the at the factory. Um and so in now comes the discipleship, the follow-up, and that's happening in the mornings. So yeah, it's we have a cool deal going on down there.
SPEAKER_00So when you say discipleship, uh, what does that look like in uh in a for-profit business like this?
SPEAKER_02Well, what what we're uh we just put the word out we're looking for interns to come down uh to get international business experience, to get you know, international manufacturing, lien, all the all of that stuff. Um, but we really want them pouring into the people. So we want them kind of like you know, going to the quincenas and the funerals and hospitals and birthday parties and weddings and get really getting involved in the lives of the factory workers. And then um, you know, and then it's it's just they're like, why do you love me so much? Well, it's because God that's just what the guy who was crying telling me about the daycare. He said, Why are you doing this? Why do you why I've been here for 17 years in this town and I've never seen anything like it. Anyone doing something like this for their employees. Why are you doing it? And I said, uh to make little boys ask questions. He looked at me and he's like, What? Like, totally didn't get it. So I go, Oh. I said, Well, actually, because I wanted you to ask that question.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I said, Wow. I said, Because God loves me, loves you so much, and he loves your wife so much, loves your kids so much, that he he put it in my heart to do this for you. So he makes me happy to do this, like could because he loves you so much. So it's God's way of reaching down and and like love, like loving you, and he desires a relationship with you. So, and then we went on from there. So um, yeah, it's just a super cool thing we got going.
SPEAKER_00How is this affected with all these things that you have going on and taking care of the people in this way? I mean, how is this affecting turnover and just morale of the people?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh. You know, kind of uh the way it works in a lot of factories, you usually one town like does automotive or one town does, like ours does, leather, shoes and bags and stuff. It's a big city. And others do like aeronautic stuff, and so really they go from factory to factory based on who's serving meat in the cafeteria. There's like zero loyalty, and so um, but when they know that you love them, I mean seriously, it is we we don't have high turnover at all. Um, but they know they're cared for, and their family members, they're bringing their family members to come work for us. So uh yeah, we still have we still have some uh we still have people leave for various reasons, but not we're we're way below average on that because they feel loved. Uh love, I used to say, love me, love my dog. I used to have a black lab. And when someone would scratch on him and throw and fetch and roll around with him or something, I go, I'd be like, that guy, I like that guy. He likes my dog, you know. But you love someone's kid, oh my gosh. There's that it's not a it's not a matter of who's serving meat. We could serve oatmeal all day long in the cafeteria and they're gonna stay there. Uh because they're loved.
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SPEAKER_00So so what kind of what kind of success have you had? And and and I was also gonna ask, how do you measure that so measuring the bottom line is obviously something that every company is doing if they want to stay in business? When it sounds like you have multiple bottom lines, right? So when it comes to making an impact on the the personhood of the people, not just the productivity of the people, um, how do you are you measuring those things? Like how many people are obviously how many people are coming uh to know Jesus through you know through the personal evangelism that happens there in the company? You know, how many people go through the marriage program? I mean, are these things that that are on your radar every day?
SPEAKER_02You know what? I should, but I don't. I mean, um, yeah, that's an area. So here's the thing. Um I was looking, I am looking for like our general manager down there, he's a Dutch guy, um, really nice guy, and he wasn't a believer when we hired him when we were starting this teeny little factory. Um, but I just really liked the guy and he was trustworthy. And um and so we hired him. And well he since he has gotten saved, and he but he doesn't have as much of of the heart, like um I mean he does, he cares for our people for sure, and they all love him. I want someone who's it's passion so to do that, and he has a lot of responsibilities. I uh Um where we were just talking about this uh last year, end of last year, of having someone whose sole responsibility it is to reach those people and to spend time discipling them, spend time with get them plugged into churches, um, get them plugged into community groups. Uh, but right now we we just haven't done it yet. Uh something that really needs to happen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but and and still so many things are happening, which is really amazing. I mean, given your responsibilities as the as a CEO and and what everybody else has on their plate uh in the workplace, um, but absolutely right. I mean, to have somebody whose sole job is that to take care of those people and and kind of be like that corporate chaplain would uh would I think take such a um take such a load off of you as well as is help to enhance those things that you're trying to uh to enhance as as far as the discipleship and the pastoral care, all of those things. You know, companies like Marketplace uh chaplains and corporate chaplains of America. Um I'm pretty sure they're doing work all over the world. Um I think both of those companies.
SPEAKER_02You know, I need to get a hold of them. Thanks for bringing that up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Marketplace Chaplains is right in your neighborhood. Uh, I'll have to Yeah, I think they're they're in Plano.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So there you go. So a little shout out for uh Marketplace uh chaplains there.
SPEAKER_02Hey, well here's here's something cool. Uh so the town where I live, um, or we have a factory there, um, it's it's called Leone. And there are about 1.8 million people who live in the city, and there are 8,000, actually now 8,115 Christians there. And they had done some some Southern Baptist uh missionaries who were involved in the before they moved off, were involved with this in the factory. Uh the you know that Southern Baptists are great at statistics, great at missions and understanding where they're going. So they said there are about 8,000 believers in the area out of 1.8 million. That's less than half of 1%. That's that is the 1040, that's better than like that's worse than Morocco. That's worse than probably worse than Algeria. I mean, and it's two, it's a two-hour flight from the Dallas Fort Worth area. It's a two-hour flight from Houston. And so um what I really want to do is get this, these uh, I'll call them employee retention programs, where you do marriage, you know, based off of a motor respeto, um, where you're doing we're doing financial programs with through like a Dave Ramsey version in Spanish, um, where we're doing uh where we're doing Synthro NOA, doing the daycare, showing these people. And someone from an executive from a factory, they have like 6,100 employees. He said, Hey, when you get it all up and established, would you uh let me know how that goes? Because we might want to adopt that here in our factory. And they're not believers. But could you imagine if they adopted uh love and respect marriage conferences, Christian daycare? And you know, of course, we would facilitate it all. But can you imagine? Yeah, and then the tanneries had they have about 700 employees at different businesses they own. They said, hey, once you have it up, you let us know, and we're about ready to we need some interns, but to be able to show it off and say, hey, why don't you adopt this in your factory too? Um in your businesses. So spreading spreading it through businesses rather than spreading it through and then and then plugging them into the church is the key. Yeah. Um yeah. So anyway, that's that's where we're going um along with a Bible school. Want to have a full-on Bible school in the area, uh uh Bible university, uh want to have um so that people are coming and going to school for the Bible or to do ministry in wherever God puts them, uh, not just in a church, but also planting churches in the area uh through the Bible school. Uh and then the the Bible students would work in the factory, maybe 10 hours a week, in some capacity learning international business, uh, learning lean manufacturing, learning quality control systems. Um, and so they have a nice resume too. Anyway, I got a lot of ideas.
SPEAKER_00Well, somebody is uh I'm sure I'm sure there are many somebodies listening to this that are are wanting to know what is that city again uh that that the factory is in?
SPEAKER_02Uh Leon, L-E-O-N, and the town is Wanajuato. It starts with a G. Just look up G-U-A N-A-J-U-A-T-O.
SPEAKER_00Wanajuato.
SPEAKER_02And so it's a two-hour flight. And and I've lived in Mexico. I'd lived there about seven years. I've done business there the last oh 11 years. And I tell you, it is the safest. I mean, the border, I wouldn't, the border is just too dangerous. Little south of Mexico City is too dangerous, but where we are, the central part of the country, it is so beautiful. Wonderful weather all year, um, no crime, very, very, very little crime, you know, petty theft stuff. Um, and it is a wonderful place to go on a mission trip. I mean, wonderful place.
SPEAKER_00All right, and so are you hosting short-term missions or you have partners that do that?
SPEAKER_02Or I'd love to have them. I could hook you up with the churches, yeah, and they would they would spread the people out through the different uh uh youth groups or the which it college group or the men's group or whatever, we would yeah, we would uh totally hook them up uh in homes, and it would be a very and you can get a ticket for like 300 bucks from Houston. Brown trip. Brown trip, it's amazing to the 1040, the 1040 window of the Western Hemisphere.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's such a gold mining, it's right in front under our noses, and people don't even know about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that and that we have uh a brother in Christ and his his wife that are on the ground there that are not only sharing the gospel but but doing it in a holistic way because you're addressing the economic uh situation, you're addressing the uh the marriages and the raising of children. I mean, all of those different facets and partnering with the local churches. Um very exciting, Dave. Uh I'm gonna make sure that we have the links to where people can can reach out and send their church teams down there, uh, that they can get those interns that are listening that are saying, I need to jump on that, I need to go down there this summer and go go put my hand on the plow with what you're doing down there. Uh so as we wrap it up here, Dave, what would be a parting piece of advice?
SPEAKER_02Parting piece of advice. So here's a good one. Okay. So this is something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Um uh ministry, like I was I was at we were in Rwanda the other day, and a guy said that his school in Uganda teaches people to prepares them for ministry in wherever God puts them. And whether it's in a government or if it's in a you know a non-governmental organization, or if it's in a bakery, it's either preparing for ministry and with with the Bible. And so I would say uh act like you have raised support to be in your workplace. And you need to act like that. And if and if you let's say you went out and said, Hey, listen, Bob, uh, Bob and Judy, could you guys support me in this? I've got this this architectural firm that I'm trying to get in. It's this huge, wide-open ministry that have like 50 architects and and they're totally lost. I I mean, marriages are falling apart, I mean, kids are suffering. It's like people aren't, man, it's just terrible. Could you I'm gonna try and get in there and and and be a missionary to them. Kind of like secret. And so you go, yeah, yeah, we can give you 50 bucks a month or something. So let's say they get all these people supporting them to go in there and volunteer in this firm. And after a year, if if I said, Hey Bob, how's that ministry coming along? What's going on there? Can you give me an update, ministry update? We know we've been supporting you and really praying for you. And if he goes, Oh, yeah, get this. Someone the other day they sneezed, and then I said, Uh God bless you. Instead of just like the guy looks at me, and you know, I could tell he knew that I was a Christian. And then, and then, like, seriously, if four, four or five months ago, someone said their mom has cancer, and I said that I'd pray for her. So there we go. Yeah. I would say, is that all? It's been a year. Has anyone gotten saved? Has anyone been baptized? Is anyone reading their Bible? Are their marriages healthy or work-life balance right? I mean, tell me about your ministry. Is that all? And I'd be like, dude, I'm so yanking that $50. I'm gonna sink that somewhere where it matters, where it'll actually I only got so much time and I only got so much money, and I'm not gonna waste it on you. And so we everyone needs to be acting as if, I mean, I wouldn't be so harsh, but everyone needs to be acting as or purposefully acting as if they've been hired, that they're that they raise support to do their ministry. And whatever that is in banking in a waste disposal plant, um you name it, that's it's your ministry and you're implanted there. And it's not, oh, I'm not in ministry because I'm not being paid by a church. I know people who are outside the church doing in my last church, or my I was going to the Southern Baptist church in El Paso, and one of the guys there was doing more ministry than the pastor. And he was he has some apartment complexes. And I was like, wow, and he really opened my eye to to real ministry. And it's not just I mean, the work of the church is just to equip the people who are out in the workforce in the marketplace. It's the church's job is to equip them to do ministry. Not for the church to do the ministry. I mean, yeah, it is ministry, but it's to equip the believers to do the ministry.
SPEAKER_00So good. You know, as you were sharing the story uh about you know this hypothetical situation which happens every day, it's happening right now, where you know people have been entrusted with uh stewardship and you know, your paycheck. What if you thought of your paycheck as this is God entrusting talents to me and and that I'm in that in that business and God is my source if you have a biblical worldview about it, and and that you're not just there to make a profit, but to go into all the world and make disciples, not just make a profit. And you know, somebody may be like that the the steward who buried his talent because of fear, and somebody may say, Well, I'm I'm afraid of my HR department, they might fire me, or you know, I'm afraid that my coworkers aren't gonna like me if I start being more open about what I believe. And yeah, I mean it's not about being a Bible beater, but but at least let them know so that when they when they do have those struggles or they do have that death in the family, they they are at that crisis of uh of life that they know who to come to.
SPEAKER_02You know, the other day I was down in Mexico and our uh our production manager, um, his name's Jorge, really, really dear guy, real real quiet, but man, he knows production. The guy's solid. And and his dad died the week before. So I said, Man, Jorge, I heard your dad died. Listen, I am so sorry to hear that. And he started tearing up. He's like, Yeah, it's real hard, man. It's really hard, Dave. I don't didn't know it'd be like this. The whole family's torn up, you know. And and I said, Um, listen, my wife and I have been praying for you and for your family. And he looked up like, What? I said, Yeah, we've been praying for you. In fact, I said, Do you mind if I pray for you right now? And then he was like, seriously, like staring at me, huge eyes, like, what? No one prays for people. Like, so I did. I put my hand on his shoulder and prayed for him, and he lit up. I mean, he's not a Christian, but big, giant, fat smile on his face, eyes of amazement. Like, and later I saw him later in the day, and he was like, Man, thank you. He just couldn't believe that I prayed for him. Yeah, it was like prayer. I heard someone from a got out of the Jehovah's Witness Church. She said, What happened was she went to this, she was selling vacuum cleaners, and she went to the store. This lady invited her in, listened to her story, and said, Man, it sounds like you've had a tough time. Do you mind if I pray for you? And she said, at that moment, she said, she started questioning everything there was. She said, if you want to reach Jehovah's Witnesses, ask them if you can pray for them right now. And that, because it's a sign of love. And she said, We don't have that in our church. So she said it she got out uh shortly thereafter. Uh but pray praying for people, that's praying for people.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's a great uh parting piece of advice, Dave. Thank you so much for being so generous with your time and uh your your expertise and your passion uh for serving the Lord in the marketplace, making disciples. You're really getting it done, brother. Thank you for the example that you're setting. May God continue to bless everything you're doing.
SPEAKER_02Oh, well, thank you so much. I appreciate that blessing. And uh He does seem to be blessing all the time. So it's pretty cool. Hey, thank you for what you're doing, getting this word out, encouraging other people to uh to grow and learn and and make a difference. So this is really cool.
SPEAKER_00And everybody go check out saddlebackleather.com. Is that the best place for people to go, Dave?
SPEAKER_02That's the best one I can think of.
SPEAKER_00All right, we'll have the link in the show notes. Thanks again, Dave. Appreciate your brother.
SPEAKER_02Take care.
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