Welcome back to the Theology of Business podcast. I'm your host, Darren Sheer, author of The Marketplace Christian, a practical guide to using your spiritual gifts in business and marketing like Jesus, 25 Strategies to Change the World. And this is a show that helps marketplace Christians to partner with God in business, to transform the marketplace and make an impact and eternity. And I want to remind you before we get started today that the Faith at Works Commit is coming up in Dallas, Texas on October 27th through the 29th. So if you haven't already purchased your ticket, definitely go ahead and do that as soon as possible because there are only about 20 seats left. At this conference, over 400 leaders from churches, businesses, and academia will gather to discuss the Faith of Work movement and just learn how to work together to extend Christ's transforming presence and help Christians find eternal purpose in the workplace. You can find out more information about this conference at fwsummit.org, or you can just contact me through theologyofbusiness.com or on social media, and I'll definitely help you get connected. Either way, I would love to connect with you at the event, so be sure to let me know if you're planning to come. Well, today we're going to be discussing the state of faith in film, and we're joined by Matthew Faraci. This is an episode I've been wanting to do for a while and finally found just the right person because uh if you're wanting to make an impact in the culture, I mean, doing it through media is by far one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful way. I mean, Americans are spending, I just read that spending about 11 hours a day consuming some sort of media, and certainly film is a huge part of that. And uh so Matthew's working with a variety of organizations. He's basically helped to promote all of the major Christian films that have come out in recent years, not just Christian films, but films targeting that values audience. So we're talking about Unbroken, God's Not Dead, War Room, Heaven is for Real. He's the president of Inspire Buzz, which is an entertainment marketing firm solely focused on delivering the values audience. And prior to founding the company, he worked successfully with more than a dozen companies in entertainment, corporate, public policy, and nonprofit spaces, uh designing highly customized strategies fusing proven and cutting-edge tactics together to achieve big goals. And his work has been profiled in basically everywhere. I mean, all of the major news outlets, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and actually just recently I want to hear a little bit about this. I think it was even uh just last week in the Washington Times, they did a special edition section uh on faith and film. And uh so it's just uh honor to have them on the podcast. Welcome, Matthew. Hey, well, thank you. It's actually my honor to be here. Well, tell us a bit more about your personal business background and how God led you into the film industry.
SPEAKER_01Well, I am a recovering political strategist. And uh um I spent most of my life in that world, and and I think that, you know, people are definitely called to that. So I don't mean to minimize that at all, but there are different, if your listeners are familiar with the sort of biblical concept of mantles. Um I've seen people's missions shift in different times in life, and certainly mine has. And what really sort of wrecked me was several years ago before he died, I heard Andrew Breitbart talk about politics being downstream from culture. And it was very clear to me when he spoke about that that we we really have lost the culture. And so I felt a definite calling to get into that particular area because, you know, we it at this point trying to fix the country via elections is just kind of a band-aid. But, you know, everybody complains as an example about how do we end up with uh, you know, this particular candidate or that particular candidate. And the answer is us, right? It's our lack of character, it's our um lack of demanding people of integrity. It's a lack of uh wanting to look at the truth and making hard decisions about where we are as a country, right? I mean, everybody talks about we need this reform and that reform, and then somebody actually raises a tough decision and everybody jumps all over them. So the point is our problem is us. And so and so I thought, well, you know, particularly um for younger people who are really the future of everything, um, I wanted to have an opportunity to impact the culture in a positive way. And so that was the shift. And at the same time, it was interesting because these films and started to come out, and they started to come out in um in a way that, you know, for a long time you had, well, the passion came out, of course, and then after the passion, everybody tried to figure out how to crack the nut, but there there, you know, the industry really didn't understand the audience. They still don't, by and large. And um, there were sort of fits and starts as to as to how to go after this audience because not not necessarily because there was some sort of moral change in Hollywood, but because there was just an understanding that clearly there's money to be made here. I mean, Mel The Passion is still the number one independent film of all time in terms of box office gross. So folks tried to crack that nut, didn't work out. And then finally in you know, 2014, which they now call the sort of the year of the Bible movie, there was some success again at the box office. There was also some big failure, by the way. And but success, and it sort of reawakened the industry to oh, yes, yes, yes, that that values audience. That's right. We need to uh we need to focus on them. And so now, um, without getting ahead of myself, I'll just say that there there are there's an a larger group of people who definitely understand the power of this audience, even if they still don't understand the audience, and understand that there's big opportunities here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, super insightful. Uh, thanks for kind of that that overall back that overall kind of landscape picture here. So, so when you kind of made that transition from the political world, where did you kind of land in the film industry and and what are you what are you doing? What's kind of giving you that insider perspective today?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so um a couple months ago, well, it's I guess more than a couple of months ago, I saw some of the things that were not being done that I felt were opportunities, and so decided through a lot of prayer to start my own company because you know, if if a problem needs to get fixed, you you get you know, you gotta go fix it. So, um, and one of the things that I that I see in particular is that the reason I talk about values is because when people in this town hear faith, they automatically think um the Bible, um God's not dead, war room, some of those very sort of faith explicit kind of films. And uh but there's a much larger proposition, and in fact, in some sense, I think a better proposition, which are films like The Blind Side or You know, classic like Chariots of Fire or 42, starting you know, about Jackie Robinson or Selma. And I had this hunch that there was this audience out there aligned around values, and so very recently did a survey for a company called VidAngel, which is an amazing home entertainment company that allows families to stream content the way that they want, in other words, taking out uh content that they object to.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Amazing is, by the way, an understatement.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, in fact, if we can get off on a side road for a second, yesterday, just yesterday, my boys um wanted to see 42 because they wanted to know the true story of Jackie Robinson. And I had remembered when it came out that I didn't let them see it, and I couldn't remember why. And I looked back and I said, Oh, it's got this and this and this and this and this in it. So I went on to Vid Angel and I took out the stuff that we objected to, some of the stronger language and just a few other things, and we watched it together. And first of all, it was incredible, it was just an earth-shattering film, and had a huge impact on all of us. But secondly, we were able to watch it, whereas before we were not, because it just that we were able to remove some of the stuff that we felt was too strong for our kids to be able to absorb at their ages.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And um so that to me is an incredible, incredible gift um that the guys that created that technology have given us.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I want to I want to get to that in in just a little bit for sure.
SPEAKER_01But but certainly, so Creed, there's so many other films that um I kind of look at them in two categories. War Room is kind of like a film that is for the church, and it's kind of to encourage the church and get the church uh, you know, off their behinds, so to speak, and up and active. And I think for that purpose it's good. The limiting factor of something like a War Room is that it doesn't really speak into the broader culture because it's sort of seen as a Bible thumping movie, and so uh if we're gonna impact the culture in a positive way, the larger proposition is getting behind films, like I've mentioned, like the Peanuts movie, that um have a biblical worldview, fundamentally have a biblical worldview. And um the more successful that those films are, the more people interact with that worldview. And to me, that ultimately is what it's all about.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's kind of like what C.S. Lewis said, we don't need more Christian books, we need more books written by Christians. I mean, it's kind of a similar parallel with the film industry, right? I mean, it's not that we necessarily need we do, we do need Christian films to inspire people in their faith and everything, and to be, you know, stronger believers and just step out and take action and all those kinds of things like God's not dead and these movies are so great at. Uh, but then there's also the Unbrokins and and the and these other great films.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, and so we we did the survey with National Research Group for Vin Angel and discovered, and and honestly, I was astounded because I, you know, I thought the values audience was big, but the values audience is 52 million American adults ages 18 to 59. It's one out of every three moviegoers in the U.S. That's that's big. Wow. You know, that's huge. And um, it is more, it is uh predominantly white, but it is actually less white than the general population. It is more black and Hispanic than the general population. And uh surprisingly, to people that think that the values audience is a bunch of um of uh white folks from the South who eat Chick-fil-a and only watch the Kendrick Brothers and movies with Kevin Sorbo, um uh it is uh more Democrat than Republican. So it's a it's a very, very diverse group of folks, but they're all united and and it tends to be younger, um, more likely to be parents, more digitally savvy, and but they're all united around this one thing, which is around they want to see positive, clean, uplifting entertainment for the whole family. And that is that is the fundamental difference, and that's a huge group of people. And so we'll have to get into that because of course, with some of these projects that did not work like Ben Hur, uh, some in the media were claiming there just isn't a big enough audience. And my perspective is they just don't have enough faith in the audience.
SPEAKER_00Right. Interesting, interesting. Well, I I do want to hear about Vid Angel, and and can you just give us an because the I think what Vid Angel is going to do, I don't know this for sure, but what they're seeing is because it allows people, and my wife found out about this just a couple weeks ago, and we watched 12 Years a Slave, and we we won't watch radar R movies, and but really wanted to see, I mean, a best picture and just such an important piece of understanding our our history in America. Uh, so we really felt we needed to watch it, but just wanted to be able to watch it uh without all the profanity and everything. And and that's what Vid Angel allows you to do is to actually turn off what you know, you buy the movie for $20 and then you can sell it back for $19. And and then once you own it, because you own it, you can now edit the film however you want to watch it according to your own viewing pleasure or your own set of morals or whatever it is, and you can turn off certain profanity words, you can turn off all profanity words, you can turn off uh certain violence scenes um that are not relevant or that they're not necessarily going to make or break the the plot line, but then there are some scenes that may be kind of graphic that you need to see, and they'll tell you that. That's a that's one of the amazing parts of it. So I just want to make sure people understand. So with that data, with those analytics, is is the goal to then start to harvest that data to help really inform Hollywood that look, people don't want to hear GD in the movies. People don't want to hear the F-word over and over and over again.
SPEAKER_01Right. So there's you're right. So there's two sort of goals here. I mean, the first one is in our survey, 82% of values audience parents um say it's very important to know about explicit content before deciding if their child should watch something, right? And what's also interesting is almost three-quarters of the values audience say it's very important to know about explicit content before they themselves watch something, sort of what you just described, right? And so what VidAngel does is exactly that. And they say very irreverently, watch you know, films however the bleep you want. Because that's that's you know, they're trying to make the point that this is your your own um custom experience. And it's I was I found out about it from a pastor friend of mine and tried it out and was blown away. And unfortunately, they are being sued now by three of the major Hollywood studios led by Disney. The other three are not suing Vin Angel. And uh I believe very strongly that Vin Angel is going to prevail in that lawsuit because they built their technology on something called the Family Movie Act, which was passed in 2005. And the Family Movie Act explicitly states that you can do this, that families can filter this kind of content in the home. And this the reason the Family Movie Act, just to back up a little bit, got passed in the first place, is because there were a ton of other services like this that cropped up in the early 2000s and late 90s, and the studios kept squashing them legally and putting them out of business. Congress was outraged over this, particularly with one company called CleanFlicks, because Congress felt that they should have tried to make it work, and the industry just didn't. And so Congress said, All right, if you are not going to play nice, we're going to compel you to play nice, we're going to pass the Family Movie Act, and you have to allow this. And as you can see, that despite that, there are they are still trying to shut them down in court, and and we believe that they will be victorious for so many reasons. One is the Family Movie Act. The other is that you know, we live in an era of technology and customization, and those who try to hold back technology, you know, and keep things the way they were, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work if uh if you're the dictator of a, you know, of a of a country. If you look at, you know, even in countries like Iran, where one of the things that's sort of undercutting the regime is is mobile devices. You know, technology is just it's a frontier that you just you can't put it away, so to speak. You know, innovation is the is the thing of the day. So um, but so Vid Angel offers an incredible tool, particularly to consume entertainment that, as you pointed out, you otherwise might not be able to consume. And but then it also underscores this need fundamentally for content that is positive, affirming, and uplifting, and it demonstrates clearly that that is the kind of stuff that the audience wants anyway. Um, Ted Barrett, movie guide, has done a lot of research around this notion that clean sells, you know, that that the content that actually performs the best at the box office, for example, is a PG or lower rating. And that contrary to popular opinion, 50 Shades of Gray and other things like that actually don't make as much money.
SPEAKER_00Right. Interesting. So gosh, it is such a it is such a powerful platform, and I'm really excited to see where Vidangel is going to take this this data because they're gonna be able to show very clearly. I mean, that this is not a matter of being prudish or something like that. This just makes good business sense to keep this in mind that people like I don't want to take my wife on a date to go see a movie where there's gonna be a naked woman or even a half naked woman in it, you know, for example, um, or certainly take my kids where they're gonna see a whole bunch of violence and or or even a bunch of profanity. And and so to be able to show that this makes good business sense because it it seems, I mean, where did they get this idea? I mean, why is it why are they just now coming to terms with the fact that one out of three people in America are values, they're making these decisions according to their values of what movies they're gonna watch.
SPEAKER_01Well, okay, to answer your second question first, the reason that um that had never been decided yet is because nobody had really done the definitive research to determine that, which was sort of incredible to me. There have been different attempts, you know. Barna did some research and they said, well, there's you know 67 million evangelicals in America. But the problem with the limiting factor with that research is it just identifies who they are, it doesn't identify what they do. So, you know, in a in a political poll, if you say registered Republicans, for example, nobody takes that poll seriously because a registered Republican just means you're registered, doesn't mean you're gonna vote. Likely voters are the polls that people pay attention to because it's people that have said, look, I'm planning on voting, and these are the candidates that I'm looking at. And the values audience are your look likely voters. They're the folks that go into the marketplace. Uh, in our survey, they had to have made an entertainment purchase in the last six months. So they're people that are actually buying stuff, and and that's um, you know, sort of around their motivation. The Financial story itself is really interesting. It was started by a couple of brothers. Um, Neil Harman, who's the CEO, has seven kids, and and just really wanted to make something for his own family because he has this movie he loves called Cinderella Man. It's a boxing movie, and he wanted to show it to his kids, but there was just stuff in it that he couldn't. And so out of necessity, they decided to figure out how to make this happen and sort of the rest is history. And it's it's kind of remarkable because um, for a lot of us, you know, there are just so many films that uh we our kids could not see with us, and they now can. Um and and we now have the discretion to decide what's in them and what's out of them because it's not, you know, a lot of your listeners may hear and go, oh, is it a custom rating? You choose, you can either choose something like, you know, remove all profanity, or for example, I was watching Patton, and there were certain words that I thought, you know, it's it's a four-letter word, but I I don't I do want my particularly my oldest son to kind of have a flavor for who Patton really was. It's authentic to who he was. So I took out some of the more egregious words, but I left in some of the others, and I said, You're gonna hear a little bit of saltiness there, son. That's kind of that's kind of who the guy was. Absolutely. I don't want to sanitize it to the point where he grows up and and the world shocks him. You know, I kind of want to, you know, ease him in a little bit. And Vid Angel gives you the opportunity to do that, and it's a real game changer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I and I love, and you brought up A good point earlier about the way that Vid Angel is not only trying to or they're not only allowing us to be able to filter uh certain uh content out of the movie, uh, but that they also have that score for each movie called they got I guess they call it the inspiring score, where it you know there's so many movies that are coming out that are just so dark, and and there's no redemption from the darkness. It's just dark, and it just brings you into this like black hole of depression by the time you walk out of there. And so I I love what they're doing to to really raise this this standard and and help people help these companies to aim for movies that are inspiring, they're actually uplifting. Like, yeah, for example, Pat Patton, incredibly inspiring man, you know, and and and but there's gonna be some there's gonna be some war in the midst of that. There's gonna be some some profanity in the midst of that. So it's not necessarily about getting rid of all of the the uh offensive content, but some of that is just necessary for for the telling this story of redemption, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly. And there's actually a pastor in Florida who started a campaign called Save Filtering. You can go check it out at savefiltering.com. And I don't know what this, you know, seven kids. Here's another seven kid family biblical number here, but he also has seven kids. And Vidangel is so important to them that they started this campaign because they just think they're they have a ministry called Family Goals, which is all about um helping families be excellent. And he's a former NFL linebacker, played for the Jaguars named Brian Schwartz, and his wife Diane is a former highly ranked NCAA volleyball player, and they apply the lessons of sports to raising excellent families. And one of the things that's important to them in family goals is there's certain films that reinforce something they're trying to teach or or talk about a certain value, but the film is a better way to do it. And VidAngel empowers them to be able to do that, and so they think it's so important to preserve filtering in general, whether it be on VidAngel or another platform that might uh come up, that they've started this campaign to get American families together and say, hey, let's let's make some noise and save filtering.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, definitely go, you know, go sign that petition and certainly go and support VidAngel or download the app and watch a movie right away. I mean, just to get that experience, it's it'll change your life in the way that you watch movies, uh, for sure. So I want to talk a little bit more about kind of the overall film industry and the way uh particularly for uh the the faith in film aspect of it. So, how do these companies determine what movie they're let's say that I'm a screenwriter and I I want to know what what do these companies look for? What are they wanting in order to reach that that third of the population that is the values audience? I mean, what what are the the types? I mean, are they is it fiction, is it nonfiction, is it, you know, what what are the genres, what are the what are they really going after right now?
SPEAKER_01Okay, well, let me let me just first back up and say that for all your readers, there's a special edition out right now, and you can still see it online. The print edition was last Wednesday, but there's a special edition of the Washington Times called Faith and Film. And um, again, if you just go on the Washington, if you Google like Washington Times Faith and Film, they put it all online. It's quite beautiful. And it has a real, it's got a lot of essays, a big diversity of opinion, ranging from producer Devon Franklin to Jerry Johnson, founder of uh, well, current president, sorry, not founder, of national religious broadcasters, Dallas Jenkins, who made an amazing film I want to talk about just for a second, called The Resurrection of Gavin Stone, um, Amy McGee from Gather, Vincent Walsh from The Young Messiah, just a lot of different voices. And it's it's a it's a wonderful thing to read. It really is. And just people coming from sort of all angles in the in the space. As to you know how this kind of stuff gets made, you know, the general process is there are there are production companies that um, and many of them that sort of act as feeders for these different scripts. And uh it depends, you know, the system it's all over the map. So there's the traditional, you know, sort of established Hollywood production company gets hold of a script, and that script gets sold to, you know, gets sold to a distributor, like uh, which is typically one of the big studios, and they go through that traditional distribution. Then there are folks, you know, we were joking earlier about um Sherwood Baptists, but they they actually have created all their own contents, you know, out of their church. Again, they they did go through a traditional distributor, Sony. But um, and then there's sort of this third way that's emerging where um, well, I'd say third or fourth or fifth way, because distribution is changing so dramatically, there are different options. Um, Fathom is uh is a company that does uh events, they do these special events. So a lot of your listeners may have seen the Dropbox last year as an example. That was a Fathom event, special, special one-night event. And that's a great way to go for some folks. There's a there's a platform called uh Congregate, which is powered by Gather, Theatrical on Demand, where you can actually take a film. Uh last year there was a film called Beyond the Mask. I don't know if you remember it, Darren, but it was actually a Christian action movie set in Colonial America. And about that. I didn't actually see it. Okay, it was great. I mean, it was totally great. Um nothing objectionable in it whatsoever. It was a fun ride, and that was actually distributed on Gather. And Gather is essentially where you pre-book these theaters, and if the crowd, it's crowd-sourced distribution, where if the crowd says, Yes, we want to see this movie, and you get enough people in enough cities, you know, you can actually have book 50 theaters or 500 theaters, just dependent on how many people want to go. So the it's there's never been a better time to get involved because there's never been more opportunities. If you have content and you want to get it out there, there's so many ways to do it. And so, um, speaking of, just as an example, speaking of films coming out of churches, there's a guy named Dallas Jenkins out of Harvest Bible Chapel in Chicago, and they created this film called The Resurrection of Gavin Stone. It's a Christian comedy, faith-based comedy. Now, when have you ever heard that said in the same sentence?
SPEAKER_00Never.
SPEAKER_01Because the perception of us is that we are all Ned Flanders and we're perfect and we have no sense of humor, right?
SPEAKER_00I think Mark Mark Lowry is about as close as we've gotten.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And it's a romantic comedy, it's hilarious, and yet it's very faithful at the same time. It's essentially the story of this Hollywood bad boy who was a child star. He gets into all kinds of uh, and I'm gonna say this without make giving any spoilers, he gets into all kinds of trouble, wrecks a hotel room, has to do community service, and his community service ends him up in a megachurch. And he's cleaning, he's cleaning the bathrooms, and he sees that they're putting on this passion play, and he says to the pastor, Well, hey, you know, I'm a fabulous actor, so might I try out for the play? And the pastor says, Well, sure, but you have to be a Christian. And he says, Well, I am one. I am I am a Christian. And so he essentially has to fake being a Christian for this film to get into the play. And it's just that, just the faking being a Christian, is for anybody that's ever been to church, it's hysterical, you know? Um, because you realize all the things that we do that to somebody who is um not a church person, you know, are just kind of funny. Right. And yeah, and so, but I also think the reason Gavin Stone is so important is it's a representation that these kind of films are getting more diverse, more fun, more interesting, and that the industry is open to all kinds of content, you know, as long as it makes money. Right. And and I don't think people should feel cynical about that because look, um I think that we will uh these kind of films will continue to make a lot of money. And I fine, let that be the reason that people make them. We live in a market economy. If it sells, that's a good enough reason for me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And and certainly, you know, there, for example, Pure Flicks. Uh I was talking with uh Steve Fidesky, who's their chief operations officer, and he was saying that, you know, they really go after stories that are, I mean, that that that are true. They're looking for true stories, um, particularly, you know, for example, Hillsong, this movie is about to come out this month, and and so there's a there's a powerful story there, but there's also uh uh a very large following. So, you know, I I think their recipe is they kind of put those two together, a true powerful story with an already established audience, and bam, you know, and I think and he said that they're about to do one on um well, I don't know if I can talk about that, but but that's kind of what they're what they're looking for. So I'm sure that they're the different studios kind of have their own um kind of approach, the own their own type of things that they're looking for. Who's who did you say is it's this church in in uh Illit in Chicago that's making this comedy?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Arvis Bible Chapel, Vertical Church Films made the resurrection of Gavin Stone.
SPEAKER_00And there are James McDonald's church, right?
SPEAKER_01There, yeah, they and there are, by the way, just a bunch of you you just talked about, you just hit on something. You talked about Darren books, so same kind of different as me, which was a very, very popular book in Christian circles, is um coming out next year as a as a paramount film starring Renee Zellweger and Greg Kinneer. Um as you mentioned, Hillsong. There's actually more content, by the way, in the I did a uh moderated a panel at Variety's Purpose Summit about a month ago, and there's actually more content in this space than at any time than I can remember. So Mel Gibson's back with an incredible film from Lionsgate called Hacksaw Ridge, which is the true story of a the own of a conscientious objector in World War II who joins the army and ends up being awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Incredible and all driven by his faith. Disney has a film coming out called Queen of Catway, and um which is the true story of a girl who goes is from the slums of Catway, Uganda, probably the poorest of the poorest place on earth, goes to a Christian missionary chess camp, becomes a prodigy, and becomes a uh internationally ranked chess champion. And that's got David O'Yellow oh and Lupita Nowingo, who's in every, you know, she's in everything lately. So there is so much wonderful content out there for folks to take a look at, both kind of, again, with explicit fate stories, and then there's some other ones that are just really fun. Um, Universal has one coming out called A Dog's Purpose, which is just a heartwarming movie, the kind of movie that they don't really make anymore. Uh STX has a film coming out called The Space Between Us about the value of one life and how every life has purpose. And again, these are just films that people need to get out and support because their message is fundamentally good and valuable.
SPEAKER_00Powerful. Well, you know, Matthew, we went a little longer on this episode than we normally do, and I think a lot of that is just this is just such a fascinating conversation and certainly an area that I think a lot of Christians have been intrigued by, and maybe some kind of on the fringe is kind of skeptical about. But I think what you've done for us today is made us uh more optimistic, certainly you have for me, um, just more excited, more optimistic about what God is doing in in film and and more hopeful about the the opportunities that are there. So I'm gonna link up to your uh to this special piece uh that you were involved with in the Washington Times, and uh certainly link to Inspire Buzz, uh, where people can uh you know see a little bit more about what you're doing and just really view your pioneer, man. And uh thanks for what you're doing out there. I know there have been others that have come before that you're standing on their shoulders as well, but um thanks uh thanks for the work that you're doing, brother.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Darren, and just uh to leave you, if you're listeners, go to facebook.com forward slash inspire buzz. We post on this stuff like seven, eight, nine times a day. So lest you think there is not a lot going on, um, we're constantly putting content up there to make people aware of all the stuff that's out there. So that's facebook.com forward slash inspire buzz.
SPEAKER_00Awesome. And I know if they go to inspire.buzz, they can link up to your Twitter, to your Facebook, to all of your social media channels as well. So uh Matthew, thanks again for being so generous with your with your time, for sharing your expertise. May God continue to bless everything you're doing in this critical industry.
SPEAKER_01All righty. God bless you too, Darren, and thank you for doing this show.
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