ep. 2: the fool & the power of authenticity

In the second episode of tender tarot, we learn about the energy of the first card in the tarot, the fool. 

What can we learn from the fool card? what are some examples of fool energy? how are humor and authenticity connected to trauma? how can we tend to the fear the comes from jumping into the unknown?

Notes: 

• The Possession of Alba Diaz by Isabel Cañas
• Four F's of Trauma
• Laughter as medicine: A systematic review and meta-analysis of interventional studies evaluating the impact of spontaneous laughter on cortisol levels
• If I Didn’t Laugh, I’d Cry: Humor as a Coping Strategy for Adult Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse
•  A Laughing Matter: Transforming Trauma Through Therapeutic Humor and Expressive Arts Therapy
• Association for Applied and Therapeutic Humor

Transcript

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Hey all, welcome to Tender Tarot, a podcast that explores trauma healing through the lens of the tarot. I'm your host, Akshi. I'm a trauma therapist, social worker, and of course, tarot reader. In this podcast, we will explore various topics related to trauma, trauma healing, and how we can find medicine, inspiration, support, and expansive pathways toward healing using the tarot. Although I'm a practicing therapist and we may discuss many topics related to mental health and therapy in this podcast, it is not a replacement for psychotherapy with a licensed practitioner. This podcast is for you if you're someone who is interested in understanding trauma and how it impacts you, your community, and the world around us through the lens of the tarot. Hope you enjoy. But just a reminder on what we covered. And so I'm going to be weaving between the two, and we'll continue to share like meanings and definitions. We talked about the history of the tarot, its origins. We talked about trauma and what it means, and we also pulled some cards on why it's important to understand history and context of anything and everything that we engage with in this world. One of the things we talked about was the types of cards in the tarot, which is the major arcana and the minor arcana. I'm currently reading this book called The Possession of Alba Diaz, and it's very scary. And I saw the word Arcana in it, and I was like, does that a is it a word that actually means something? It's not just like related to tarot. So I looked it up, found out that Arcana actually means secrets or mysteries, which I think is fucking awesome. So there's that. But, anyways, as mentioned, the major arcana tells a sort of story that starts off with the zero card, which is the fool, which is what we're gonna be talking about today. The fool is the number zero card, and it's sort of what kicks off the whole story of the tarot. A lot of people compare, especially the major arcana cards, to the narrative of like the hero's journey, and the fool is basically like that's the beginning. So it represents new beginnings, it represents taking a leap of faith, it represents sort of stepping out of your comfort zone to try something new, and also surrendering a little bit of control and safety because our nervous systems really love safety, and just try and be present with the adventure, go with the flow. So, in the gentle tarot, I really like the imagery of it because it's very different than a lot of other fools that I've seen. It's very dark, and then there's this fish that is swimming into the deep ocean, and it's sort of like, okay, well, here is my subterranean journey that's about to begin. And I feel like if you think about it in terms of us sort of going through this internal process of meeting parts of ourself that have been in the dark or sort of swimming into our subconscious, which oftentimes I feel like that's what the ocean is, especially if it's nighttime. I feel like that's talking about like what is a fool's journey like when you're healing and are deciding, like, hey, I'm not going to live this way anymore because I feel like all of these behaviors that I am doing are no longer serving my interests. So, how can I sort of swim into the unknown with like a little bit of curiosity and of course fear and see what comes of it? I also have this tarot deck that's over the garden wall, which is one of my favorite TV shows. It is just so fucking good. I think I've watched it like seven, eight times now. But basically the character in the fool is Greg. And Greg I just associate with being so authentically himself. He's so silly, but he's also just like very, very loyal to and just says exactly what he's thinking, is just a fucking weirdo. And I feel like that represents the fool in a way because part of the fool's invitation is don't be afraid to be yourself, don't be afraid to be silly, and also like really show up in big ways for the people that you love and care about. Yeah, Greg is one of my favorite characters. I think the Halloween in which I killed Halloween, and ever since then, no Halloween has been as good is in 2019 when I dressed up as Greg from Over the Garden Wall, because it took me a lot of work to create that costume, and it was definitely kind of pricey. And I think two people at my Halloween party know knew how who I was, but I was still very, very happy. Anyways, that was a side note ADHD moment. So let's keep talking about the fool, but I'm gonna talk about like ways in which the fool might connect to first. I'm gonna talk about complex trauma, complex PTS. I'm trying and do this thing where I don't say disorder anymore, but you know, say things like adaptation. One of the Fs that you may have heard about as a trauma response is the fawn response. It's sort of different than the other ones because the other ones can be very like body nervous system based. And of course they can show up in more relational ways as well, but the fawn response is like inherently a trauma response that's something that happens within a relationship. It's also known as the appease response. Pete Walker, who has a ton of really awesome content on his website and also wrote the book Complex P2Z Surviving to Thriving. And he defines the Fawn type response as someone that, quote, seeks safety by merging with the wishes, needs, and demands of others. They act as if they unconsciously believe that the price of admission to any relationship is the forfeiture of all their needs, rights, preferences, and boundaries. Oof. Oh my gosh. Oftentimes this is something that is learned in childhood when you're taught by the environments that you're in, that being helpful, being compliant will give you safety and it will give you connection. It doesn't just happen because of your home and family environments, but because of our neighborhoods, of our schools, our workplaces, all of which are impacted by our current social norms and thus systems of oppression. Compliance is something that we are actually all taught to do from the minute we are born. Accept a status quo, comply with our assigned gender, comply with heterosexuality, comply with capitalism, and those who step out of line, those whose mere existence threatens these systems, are punished, isolated, incarcerated, mocked, made fun of, also murdered and killed. So it completely makes sense that this fawn response would develop in response to that. And when we think about trauma responses, also like these are not choices that people are making. Like this is a survival instinct. This is an adaptation that is created in someone's nervous system while they are a developing human. And so anything that happens when we're developing really gets molded into our brain in a particular way because that is when our brain is learning about the world around us. And not to say that those things can't be changed, but it takes time and patience and work to rewire some of those networks. And I mean, I can totally say that as much as I know how much of a fond response person I am, even when I became aware of it, it was very, very difficult to actually let go of the behaviors. There were some times where I would literally be like engaging in it, and I would know, like it was almost like I was like third person perspective watching myself, and I would be like, Yeah, I'm doing that thing, but like it's almost like my body won't let me not do it because it brings up this really intense anxiety or fear. But I will say that I think the past few years have made me much, much better at boundaries and much, much better at just being like, I'm just gonna be myself. I'm a fucking weirdo, I have been since I was a little kid, and I'm just gonna own it because our planet is moving to towards catastrophe, anyways. So I might as well just be myself, and so that kind of gets me into like how is this related to the fool? I think of the fool as like medicine or an antidote to the fawn response, right? It's the medicine and antidote for those who struggle with fawning because the fool says, be yourself fully, authentically. The fool says, fuck what everyone else is doing. You do you. The fool says, take a leap of faith and trust that you will find your people when you let yourself truly shine. And all of that might sound really basic and really simple, but for folks who are people pleasers and fawners, maskers, it's really not. The be yourself, the yourself in be yourself is elusive. Who am I if I'm not being who everyone else wants me to be? Who am I if I don't follow the social scripts that society has laid out for me? Will I have support if I step out of line? Will I be hurt if I step out of line? The energy of the fool is like about courage and risk and evaluating like, is what I'm doing right now worth the risk? And it's not as simple as just be yourself, you know, in a world that wants to kill you, in a world that doesn't want you to exist, in a world that's really, really pissed off that you are existing in a way that triggers dominant structures that totally makes dominant structures not make sense anymore in a world that wants to kill you. And I mean that literally for a lot of folks, queer folks, trans folks, black folks, gullets. It's and then, you know, people living on the intersections of all of these identities. And it's especially intense right now, you know, like it makes me really sad and heartbroken to see the ways in which these communities are being villainized and demonized and targeted in violent and murderous ways that are terrifying, while these few awful, awful, awful fucking people are hoarding like a disgusting amount of money and wealth because of their exploitation of people at the bottom. It's sorry, I could really go on for that forever, but I think that's what people mean when they say like it is revolutionary to be yourself, you know? Part of detangling yourself from like this is heteropatriarchy, from colonialism, from capitalism, is asking yourself like why you're doing the things that you're doing, and really listening to the answers of like, okay, if I'm doing X because I've been told my whole life to do X, but I fucking hate it. Maybe I could be doing Y. And maybe that's not something that happens immediately, but it's something that it can work towards and plan towards. I was just telling my friend today, we were texting, and I was like, I don't know how people get through, you know, I don't know how people do it without having immense faith in the universe. Because me having like faith in the universe, that like if I am myself and follow what feels good for my nervous system, follow what feels good for my body, in alignment with my values of showing up as like a good community member, things will be alright. Like the universe will support me in finding my way. So, like, what are ways in which under these scary ass fucking systems in scary ass fucking times, how can we embody the energy of the fool while still like holding the truth that it is dangerous to be yourself in many public spaces? So I say find your islands of oasis. And this means like really ask yourself like who are you choosing to spend time with? And are those people that allow the parts of you that you have to mask and the parts of you that you have to suppress in other settings? Do they bring those out? Do they just let those parts of you be out and you can just allow them to breathe, allow them to be? I've definitely found that like the more and more I have accepted myself, and the more and more I spend time with people who allow me to unmask and be silly and just accept me as I am. Like, I'm able to allow those parts of myself to come out more and more. Recently was telling someone I honestly don't know how I'm gonna live with another person again because the amount that I stim just because I've lived by myself now for three years is something I feel like I can't give up because I have a lot of fun with it. And it definitely regulates me in a way that nothing else does. I also have just been really lucky to find community with so many queer, neurodivergent fucking weirdos who are witchy, who are into psychology, who are who also care a lot about our earth and have really big hearts. And just, I'm gonna just take a moment in this episode, shout out to my friends because I am alive because of my friends, and they have been truly life-saving to me. They are some of the best people that I have ever met who are so cool, so creative, so talented, and also show up in this way that I would never accept. Like that shows up, they show up in a way where I don't want to fawn around them. And what's really healing about that is that makes me not want to fawn around other people too. When I spend time with my friends, they just let me breathe and let me be. And that sets an extremely high standard for like who I spend my time with. So, shoutouts to y'all. Y'all are fucking amazing, and I love you so much, and I'm so grateful to have met all of you. And if you're hearing this and you're like, is this about me? It probably is about you. It probably is. So I was also thinking like how laughter like feels so good in our bodies. And whenever I have a laughing fit, I just feel so good afterwards. And I'm like, wow, laughter is kind of like an honestly an awesome way to regulate yourself or just have a release. So I did some research on it, and I was like, is there any research on this? There's been quite a bit of research actually done on like humor and laughter as a way to increase physical and psychological well-being. I know that, you know, humor has always been a way, always, always, always has been a way in which people have coped under unimaginable circumstances. I know that meme culture that began all the way back in the early days of the internet. I missed those days of the internet so much because of what the internet has devolved into in 2025. But I remember seeing those memes on both Tumblr, and also we had these like specific Facebook groups that were like for dark humor where people would share memes, and there were like websites, like I forget what they were called, but there was one for like when you did embarrassing stuff, you could post it on there. Oh, there was this one called My Life is Average, M L I A. Yeah, anyways, so I just remember like feeling very seen looking at these, especially when I was depressed, you know, and having something make you laugh when you're feeling really depressed is a physiological sensation that feels like nothing else, honestly. And I know this kind of thing still does happen on Instagram, but I feel the OG place for it was definitely Tumblr. So humor has actually been studied with a wide range of people who have experienced trauma, and they're actually like um interventions known as laughter yoga or laughter meditation, which basically is just you sitting with a group of people and. Then, like pretending to laugh, but then because it's like so absurd, everyone just starts laughing in reality as well. I've been part of those before, and they're honestly, honestly, pretty fun. Highly recommend you do it with your friends. There's also something that I learned about called medical clowning. Clown care, also known as clown doctors, basically specially trained clowns who visit healthcare facilities in like hospitals to make people laugh, make people smile. I know that that probably it's not for everyone. You know, I know that some people really find clowns scary and creepy, but fun fact when I was a junior in high school, we did a unit in my theater class called clowning, and we dressed up as clowns and created our own clown characters and performed for the elementary school, which was honestly super fun. Would definitely do it again. So, what research actually shows is that humor serves a dual primary purpose, which is one, to distract and two, to provide a sense of hope. Laughter creates mental and physical relief from stress, which gives way to experiencing hope. And it's also just like a way to distract yourself from like shitty stuff that's going on, which I feel like I don't need to explain further than that. A meta-analysis that examined the impact of spontaneous laughter on cortisol levels, and it found that laughter reduced cortisol by 32%. And they actually found that just a single laughter session, whatever that means, can induce a reduction of cortisol by 36.7%. And for those who don't know, cortisol is a stress hormone. You're not meant to have it in your system constantly. Many of us do because of chronic stress, and that impacts our health in many, many other ways that are not great. I also found this chapter from this book called Sexual Violence, Issues in Prevention and Treatment, written and edited by Kathleen Monahan. The chapter is called, If I didn't laugh, I'd cry, humor as a coping strategy for adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse. So, content warning, I'm gonna be sharing just a little bit about that right now, if you want to skip over this part. So basically, they did a qualitative study with eight women aged 22 to 61 in a small clinical practice setting. All of them were survivors of childhood sexual abuse and had been in treatment prior to this for that particular reason. It was a qualitative research study, so there were some themes that they found which were different ways in which these survivors utilized humor to support their healing. First theme was vulnerability and powerless, where being funny and comedic served to keep the abuser at bay even for a little while and help them regain a sense of power. So a quote from one of the participants says, I was known as a funny kid, now I'm known as the funny adult. But as a kid, my stepfather at first thought it was great that I was so funny, except for when he abused me. The next day I was so angry that I would be super funny at his expense whenever I could. Of course, I paid the price, but hey, I felt that I won. I got my punches in. That is honestly kind of badass. And I kind of love hearing that because it is like unimaginably hard to be growing up in a home in which you are experiencing abuse of that kind and you don't have anywhere to go. You know, there's a huge sense of powerlessness that comes with that. Another theme that they found was that humor helped folks to distract in playful ways, like um watching funny movies, funny TV shows, using jokes, and this has really helped the survivors as a way to just sort of distract from painful memories. Another theme that they found was how a lot of these survivors used humor to sort of view life as like absurd, and if something is viewed as ridiculous or absurd, it makes it a little less threatening. So that was another theme that they found. The article does also go into like can humor be used as a defense mechanism that might not be supportive to someone's healing? And of course, of course, that that is true, and that humor can be used as a way to avoid discussing serious or traumatic material. But I think it's important to understand like where this defense comes from, what purpose is it serving, and not outright like pathologize it, you know, like use it as a way in to find out what's underneath that. I'll share one more quote from from one of the participants. Somehow, when I laughed, I always felt I would survive this. As bad as it would get, laughing made me feel that someday I would be all right, that there was hope. It still does. Ugh, really does warm my heart, you know. Another thing that the chapter shares is that how, like, when people play, they are actually not scanning for danger and thus they don't feel vulnerable. And so creating enough safety that helps people to feel open and free enough to play creates an environment where growth is possible because it sort of brings down those defenses. Lastly, I found a thesis written by Alison Landoni in 2019 from Leslie University. And she wrote her capstone thesis about humor in the context of therapy and expressive arts therapy, titled A Laughing Matter. In this, I learned a couple of things. One, that like humor is a moderator of stress and also has endocrinological and neurological benefits, the endocrine system being our hormonal system, and also that humor can reduce both physical, mental, and emotional stress, as we heard from some of the other studies. I also found out that clinical studies show that laughter was helpful in improving cardiac health, pain management, and also in the treatment of depression, which is super cool. It was through this thesis that I found out that an organization exists called the Association of Applied Therapeutic Humor. It is a nonprofit organization based in Illinois that is dedicated to the study and application of humor to enhance health and well-being. They have an annual humor conference once a year, and they also have this meeting once a month called the Humor Zoomers online meeting. They have like a masterclass, they have trainings, and it's like for any sort of professionals that want to integrate humor into their work. So yeah, pretty fucking cool. Humorous medicine, you know, silliness, laughing, absorbity, connecting with your inner child. Many, many of us who have this fawn response are also parentified children and children who didn't get their needs met. A lot of people who experienced the fawn response are also kids that, you know, grew up too quickly, were often told that they're very mature, very wise for their age, and didn't really get to enjoy the fun parts of being a kid, which is just being silly, being weird, playful. I know that as I grow older, I just become more and more in touch with my inner child. And I share a lot. So I will share with you all, because this is Tender Tarot, that in 2022 I was like, I'm gonna start sleeping with and collecting stuffed animals again because I had a bunch when I was little and my dog ripped all of them apart, so then I had none left. So I started doing that, and now I have several. Some examples of like fool energy. I would say it's like starting therapy that's really jumping into your healing journey. I feel like that's very much the fool as the fish in the gentle tarot. People who write memoirs who share their story in such a public way, like that's very fool energy to me as well, because that's taking a huge leap of faith. And I know that the memoirs of the people that I have read, I'm so so so grateful that they took the risk and were brave and wrote about their experience because there is something about just like reading someone's experience and feeling super seen by it that is almost like a hug. So then, side note, I have to share this story. Someone whose memoir I love is Chanel Miller, and I listened to the audiobook of that memoir, which is narrated by her, and she's hilarious, and she's such a good writer, and I just I just think she's awesome, and I felt really, really grateful to have had that audiobook because it got me through like such a rough time of my life. Like, I think the only reason I was able to like get up and exist was because I was listening to her audiobook, and then the day, the exact day of my Saturn return, I really can't make up shit like this. The exact day of my Saturn return was the day, and I didn't plan it like this, it just happened, was the day that I first sure decided that I was gonna move to India. And my Saturn return is happening in my fourth house, which is like home, foundations, that kind of thing. So already it's like wild, right? And I think I'm like pretty confident about the decision, but still a little bit like because I love Seattle, I miss Seattle so much, you know, and it was a very hard place to leave because I love it a lot. It's still my favorite city that I've ever lived in, and I would love to go back there. So that night I went to go see one of my favorite artists perform Mind Chatter. And after the awesome, awesome concert, my friend and I were like, Oh, let's keep hanging out. So we went to this gay bar called Pony that's in Seattle, and Pony has like an inside area and like a sort of covered outside area. So we walk in and then I'm like, let's go sit outside. So we walk to the outside covered area. I'm already a little drunk because I had a couple drinks at the concert, and Chanel Miller is literally there. And so I'm like, oh my god, are you Chanel Miller? She goes, Yes, I am. Then my friend and I ended up sitting with her. She got us drinks and we chatted, we got to know each other. I was like, to her, I was like, this is crazy because today is the day of my Saturn return, and I decided I'm moving to India, and I'm taking me meeting you as like a sign that I made the right decision. And as much as the first six to eight months were rough as hell, I honestly can say that right now I'm content with my life in a way that I haven't been for a very, very long time or ever. So that's cool. And I felt like me deciding to move here is also very full energy. It's like, let me just trust that me moving back to the city that I was born in, which I've never lived in since I was four, is gonna be fine and it's gonna be great, and it really has been, honestly. I feel like for neurodivergent folks, experimenting with unmasking is very much a fool energy as well. Also, because people can be quite condescending towards me, and I'm like, you know, just because I am silly and in touch with my inner child doesn't mean you can like speak to me in a condescending way or actually treat me like I'm a child and I don't understand things. And I feel like sometimes people like view me as the fool in its more classical sense, and that a lot of neurodivergent folks who are more themselves can be perceived in that way, which sucks. You know, I think it just indicates how disconnected the majority of society is from their inner child. To like, if you're listening to this, think about what were some of your favorite things you used to do when you were a kid that you don't do anymore, and fucking do it, you know? Like for me, that's reading, and I started doing that again in 2022. It's been fucking awesome. I forgot how amazing reading fiction is, and bringing it back into my life has really sparked me in a way. And I mean, even doing this podcast feels like full energy, like a leap of faith for me. Because I have engaged in so much masking throughout my life, so much people pleasing throughout my life to feel accepted, to feel a sense of belonging. But I realize now that trying to shape myself into someone that I'm not and trying to adjust myself because it makes me uncomfortable when other people are uncomfortable and I'm just taking on their discomfort, you know, it's not actually belonging that I'm getting out of that. It's just like conformity, you know, and sometimes it feels extra lonely to be around people who you have to mask around than it does to be by yourself and just be free. And honestly, why I think the fool is just so fucking important for me to embody in my life is that literally three generations ago, my great-grandma got married when she was 12 and did not have a childhood, had to raise all of her 12 siblings when she was like 16. My my my grandma also got arranged marriage very young, and none of them got to live lives that they wanted because they had to do that to survive, literally, and I feel like it's like almost my duty and responsibility to just like fucking live free, and that they fully support me in that because I feel like I'm living for them, you know. Like, why the fuck did they have to go through all of that? For me to make myself small when I actually have the privilege to be myself. So we have now reached the last part of the episode. I don't know if you remember from episode one how I said that I'm gonna end each episode with pulling a card related to what we talked about. And I'm thinking, hmm, we could maybe pull a card, and I'm doing it from the gentle tarot today. So we talked about the fool today, we talked about humor, we talked about the power of humor, we talked about authenticity and how to step into your authentic self, how to say yes to the unknown. So, off of that, I feel like a question that we can ask is uh what's the way in which we can tend to the fear that comes up when we want to step into the full energy? A card just blew out. So I'm gonna see what that is. Very interesting. The high priestess showed up. The high priestess is the third card of the major arcano. And in this one, there's an owl. It's nighttime, there's like a moon in the background, it's like a crescent moon, starry sky. And High Priestess is all about tapping into your intuition, tapping into your dreams, tapping into both your inner wisdom and also like the wisdom that you can pull from your lineage and your ancestry. It doesn't have to just be your blood ancestors, it could also be the ancestors, your activist ancestors, it could also be your queer ancestors or trans ancestors, the people who basically paved the way for us to be here today and have the rights that we do today. So I'm feeling like a way in which we can tend to our fear of the unknown is to remember that we're not alone, whether that's in the material world or in the immaterial world. We all we are always supported, we always have energies that are backing us up that are both internal to us and external to us. And we can tap into our intuition and our inner wisdom at any moment of time. And if there's ever any doubt or fears that we're experiencing when we're stepping into something new or trying something new, we can always pause and check in with ourselves, you know. It doesn't the fool doesn't have to be something that we move through quickly, you know. We can always take a moment to pause and check in with ourselves, check in with our fears, check in and see whether there's anything that we need before jumping forward or swimming forward. I'm gonna see if anything else comes out on how we can tend to our fear. Okay. Six of cups. This is a beautiful card. I think it makes me think of nostalgia. There's in this card, there's um two women and there is a rainbow. They're sitting on either side of a beautiful stream that's flowing, and there's six cups um that are filled with water beside them. And it looks like they're just like celebrating. There's a couple of birds as well. Six of Cups is a very joyful card. It's all about connecting with your inner child. It's all about, you know, the power of the past and the power of nostalgia. So I think that actually makes me think of also like connecting to our ancestors and our lineage and the people that came before us even more. So I feel like what the way in which we can tend to the fear that comes with stepping into our authentic self, stepping into the full energy, stepping into something new is by remembering that we're not the first person to do this, and that we can learn from the stories of the people that came before us and feel inspired by the stories of the people that came before us. This actually reminds me of something that my therapist said to me a long time ago, now, months ago, um, when I was talking to her about how much dread I was feeling about the state of the world and how it feels like all of the work that we're doing at times feels very helpless, and we feel very powerful. Powerless, which is what which means that the systems are working in the way that they should be working. They are built to make us feel powerless. They are built to make us feel helpless. They are built to make us forget that there is power that we can build as a community and as a collective. But, anyways, the thing that she said was that there have been so many people in history who have lived through excruciatingly hard times and held on to hope and continued to do the work that aligned with their values and their beliefs, which for me, like all is just based on equity and empathy. And they didn't know whether they were gonna reap the benefits of that in their own future. I think most of them knew that they probably wouldn't, but that they were paving a way for their future ancestors. So we can have gratitude for them and we can also learn from them, you know? And mine inspiration and hope, Miriam Cabo says hope is a discipline, which it is because it's so easy to feel helpless and so easy to feel hopeless, but it is a practice to keep believing in hope and keep believing in humanity and keep believing that things can be better. That's a belief that we need to be rooted in if we're going to continue the work that we have to do to build a more equitable world, which at the end of the day is a more gentle world and a more trauma-informed world, and a world that just has less trauma in it and therefore less traumatized people in it. Yeah, so I find these cards very interesting as coming out as the way to tend to the fear that comes with stepping into fool energy. So I hope that that resonated with at least some of you. But I'd love to hear what your interpretations of the High Priestess and the Six of Cups coming out are as well. Feel free to email, DM on Instagram. And thank you so much for listening to the second episode of Tender Tarot. Episode three will be coming out next month, and it will be a surprise to both me and you what that episode is going to be about. TTYL. Thank you for listening to Tender Tarot. This is a labor of love, and it brings my heart warmth that you have listened all the way to the end of this episode. Stay tuned for ways to support and ways to stay connected for now. Give us a subscribe wherever you get your podcast, and if you enjoyed what you heard, please share it with your friends with love and in solidarity. The music that you heard on this podcast came from Childhood Memories by Clavier Clavier from Pixabay. It was written, recorded, edited, and produced by me, Akshi. You can find us on Instagram at Tender Tarot Podcast, or you can email me at tender tarot pod at protonmail.com.