4. Boundaries, Burnout & Being Online 24/7

In this episode of Wildly Intentional, Flick and Verity dive into the reality of running a visible business in an always-online world — and how to protect your time, energy and headspace without disappearing from your audience.

They talk honestly about the pressure to be constantly available, the expectations that can creep in from clients and followers, and how easy it is for boundaries to blur when you care deeply about your work. This conversation explores how to build healthier habits around social media, communication and personal space while still maintaining momentum and connection as your business grows.

Reflecting on their own journeys, Flick and Verity share what they wish they’d known earlier, what they’ve learned the hard way, and the boundaries that now help them show up more sustainably and intentionally.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re always “on”, struggled to switch off, or wondered how to create clearer lines between business and life, this episode offers reassurance and practical perspective.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Creating boundaries with clients and online communities
• Avoiding burnout while staying visible in your business
• Managing expectations around response times and availability
• Building sustainable habits on social media
• Lessons learned from the early days of business

This episode is for you if:

• You’re an established business owner active on social media
• You want to grow without being online 24/7
• You’re ready to protect your energy while leading your business well

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Wildly Intentional, the podcast of business owners who refuse to play small.

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This is where we'll have bold talks, honest conversations and dig into what it really takes to create big breakthroughs in business and in life.

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We're Verity and Flick, we're two business owners who have built, broken, rebuilt and grown businesses in our own ways.

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And we're here to share the lessons, the mindset shifts, and the unapologetic decisions that have really helped us to level up.

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So if you're ambitious, you're gross focused, and you're ready to do business on your own terms, you're in exactly the right place. So let's get wildly intentional. Hello. Hello, good morning.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whenever time you're listening to this.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Yes, I'm not quite sure what time of day it is if I'm honest today. I think the biggest challenge today is bringing the energy.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yes, yes, folks. We are we are uh we are struggling with our energy today, but we've made a commitment that we are going to record podcasts and we're gonna do this. So we are here. Um you may need Yeah, coffee, coffee's definitely in hand. Um you may hear the fact that I'm I'm slightly more nasal today. I'm trying not to be, but uh yeah, I think I'm coming down with a cold. It's January, it's a there's been cold weather, there's been snow. Um I'm I'm allowed to have a cold, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Do you know what, right? I don't know if this is gonna be classes in endorsement, right? But I spent the last four months ill. For the lead up to December, I was just ill constantly, and then I accidentally got sent from that really big shipping company um a bottle of ginseng. Yeah. It was meant to be a um, it was a stocking filler, it was meant to be a oh my god, I can't even find my words today. This is gonna be fun. Um, a stress ball. But instead they sent me a bottle of ginseng. So I thought maybe that's the universe trying to tell me something. You know, I need to boost my immune system a bit. So I've been taking it and touch woods. You know what? I haven't, I shouldn't say it out loud, but you know, I haven't done that once since. So there's my recommendation. I think it probably works because I haven't gone a month in the last year without catching something. You know what my immune system's like. So there you go. An endorsement for ginsing.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

You know, you have that one friend like it doesn't matter if you've got a cold, they've they've had it for four months. Like, Varity is my one friend like that. You know, this is the woman who during COVID was bedridden for 10 months, you know, because she couldn't get out of bed because she caught COVID and and then got long COVID. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't end up in hospital, to be fair, when that was all going on.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Like I nearly did, I nearly did. But actually, since then I've had a couple of really, really bad colds where my oxygen levels have gone lower than they did in COVID. In fact, the last one I had, the last virus was really bad, and I nearly ended up in hospital with that one. But of course, when I had COVID the first time when I got long COVID, it was still in the early days, so nobody really knew much about it. But um, the actual illness itself was just like flu. It wasn't, I didn't get it, thankfully, really, really bad, but it was the after effects. And yeah, since then my immune system's just been, you know, it was long COVID, then it was fibromyalgia, and then it's just like, and now I'm at the point where it's like just just bloody get on with it. All I could do is it's just life. Gincing, vitamins, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I see. Well, I've I've started to um, I think it must I must have been doing it for about a year now. I've I've mouth taped while I sleep, which a lot of people think is like really strange and it's really like weird of it. Um, but since I started mouth taping, like I'll get, you know, the the beginnings of a cold, like where I am now, but I'll have this for like two days and then I'm absolutely fine. I don't get the really bad head, I don't get the aches and pains. Like I'll just have a bit of a stuffy nose for like a couple of days and then that's it. Like I'm I'm over.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Like really claustrophobic though, because I could I I must admit, I'd really like to mouth tape my husband's mouth shut in the night more than mine. But do you not feel like you know claustrophobic, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01 4:01

No, I think it's it does take like a few days to get used to or a few nights, I suppose, because you know you're using it at night. Um it took me a few nights to get used to it. But I originally started with the ones that have got like a hole in the middle of your mouth. So that meant to be like so you can take a sip of water through a straw and and things. Um so I originally started with those, and then when I did a reorder um of tape, I accidentally ordered the wrong ones that didn't have the hole in. Um, and but by then I was almost used to it.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

So okay. Yeah. Well, there you go, folks. We do say in the intro, this is business and life. This is life for us right now. Jim's and witchcraft tips for how to how to not feel ill. It's relevant though, because you know, people think when you're self-employed, it's fine if you get ill, it's not a problem because you haven't got a boss to answer to. It's worse when you're self-employed because when things don't get done, you don't get paid. It's it's awful. So at least you can call in sick in a job. You can't call in sick when you're self-employed. I was literally working from my bed with long COVID, and I could hardly keep my eyes open, but you had to keep the business going, you had no choice.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

And it's like, you know, uh when we go on holiday, I mean, my my husband and I we don't go on holiday very often, but we have got one coming up this year, and it's like I'll say to him every now and then, I'll just check in on my my emails or things like that. And he's like, why? And I'm like, because there's not somebody else in the business who's gonna do that, and I can't let you know potential clients down or my current clients down, you know, if they've got an issue, like you know, technology is brilliant because I can be contacted anywhere in the world, but it does mean that when you're on holiday, you don't feel like 24-7, yeah, which nicely leads into today's topic, you know, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:42

I did that completely accidentally. So today we are gonna talk about boundaries burnout and being online 24-7. I'm not sure listening to us, we're a great advert for self-employed, you know. I'm not sure. We sound very enthusiastic about it. We do love it, we do love it. Honestly, it's lovely. So, yeah, so yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about today boundaries burnout and being online 24-7. Because I think we can both agree that we were really bad at this in the early days, as most business owners are. Yeah, and it's just you've got to get off on the right foot in. And it's fear again, it comes down to that fear again.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Yeah, because you you do, you don't want to let people down because it's then all on you when you're a business owner. So you you've got to be, you know. Oh, I hear so many people saying, like, I've got to be I've got to be on TikTok and I've got I need to be on Instagram and I need to be on here and I need to be there. And I'm like, have you actually got time to be in all of that? I mean, my job is my job is in social media, and I don't have time to be on all of the platforms all of the time. Um, but yeah, it's it's so and learning what your boundaries are and setting them and keeping them as well, because you know, you can set a boundary, you know, really easily, but actually enforcing it and keeping it can be really difficult. Yeah. I mean, I remember when I first started the business, and within the first two weeks, I had somebody coming up to me. And the amount of people now, when I tell them this story, they're like, wow, you did that. But I had somebody coming up to me who wanted um some support with their social media, but it was in it was in an area of social media that I just don't go near. Basically, what this company wanted me to do was they wanted me to use, you know, my LinkedIn Pro account um to cold message people, you know, you get those cold DMs sort of going, yeah, going, hey, you know, I think you'd be really great for this. And they wanted me to pay me based on like commission, so however many clients I got, they were gonna pay me. And I was like, and I said no, and like this is two weeks into starting my business, and I'm saying no to a potential client. And the amount of people going like, wow, how did you do that? And I was like, because I was so clear on what I wanted to do, how I wanted to help people, and how I didn't want to help people, like I didn't want to do that. Um so yeah, so that like learning what your boundaries are and enforcing them is so so big as a business owner. Um, and not everybody learns it straight away.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

If you get triggered by dogs, I'm really sorry, but you are listening to a wildly intentional podcast. No, I said sorry. No, come here, come here.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

I can't hear the dogs. I don't think listeners can.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Oh my god, he's just not I've got somebody in my house, that's why. Like he's going mad. Come here, come and be on the podcast. Come on, come and talk, come on. It's all right. I know nobody can be the podcast is going to be about his dogs. You might have to edit this out, you know, he's going on a bit. The thing is, right, the thing about my dog is he sounds so vicious, doesn't he? He sounds really aggressive. People are terrified of him. He is the biggest wimp on the planet. If somebody actually did get into my house, he'd be cowering in the corner. He'd be no use if somebody actually got beyond that bark.

unknown 9:05

It's pathetic.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Kenny, come on, and his sister's just looking at him like, what what what's the matter? What are you doing? What are you doing? There we go. If we had video, you'd see now my dog's ratty head. I can I can see it. So anyway, I'm not apologizing. There we go. Well the intentional. We are animal lovers.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

We are. We are despite the fact that you know I'm I'm massively allergic to them. I do love them.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Um, so I love seeing them like how I'm seeing Zima right now is is on a on a on a screen that that can't affect my allergies, particularly when you know I'm coming down with a bit of a cold. So, what about you, Varti? What boundaries do you have in business? So, how did you set your boundaries?

SPEAKER_00 9:44

So, as you know, boundaries were an issue for me for a very long time. When I started business, and you know, Alison would back me up on this when we started our business together. We, in fact, I've gone full circle and I've gone full circle in where I am because I had no boundaries in place. And we started the social media company as a training company. We went and we got on our accreditations, we did everything. So if we'd stuck to that, we'd have been winning. But we couldn't say no to anybody. And because I had experience in marketing and social media, that kind of came up in conversation and networking, and somebody got hold of it and they were like, Can you do this for me? And we were like, Yeah, let's do that because that makes us funny. Yeah, yeah. And it just kind of spirals. And actually, you know, I said on the first episode, I think, that I fell out of love with the business. And I think if I would stuck to what we were doing in the first place, we'd never have fallen out of luck with it. However, I'd never have met you, so everything happens for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

There it is. And I'd I'd probably never started a business doing social media marketing.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

So no, so look at the knock-on effect there.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

I'm glad you didn't say no.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Yeah, me too. It was a really good experience, but boundaries were a real issue for us. So I know. Sorry, I forgot to take my tablet this morning, so let me just do that. Oh, okay. Oh, I've just dropped it. And I said sorry again. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

We're doing well. We should not probably record first thing in the morning. Neither of us are morning people, really, are we?

SPEAKER_00 11:04

So we're not morning people, so this this is never gonna go well, people. It's never gonna go well. Um, hang on, uh to have a tablet. Bear with.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

But yeah, and and I think you're right, is the fact that when you're a business owner, when you first start up, the the the desire to say yes and that people-pleasing nature really comes out for a lot of business owners, and that's why like so many people are shocked that I was able to say no within the first two weeks of you know, to a client who was willing to pay me. And I was like, this is not, and and I could see, and I think because I I chatted with you and Alison, I could see that if I said yes to that one person, to that one client, that was potentially going to open the floodgates for me doing that for other people, and it was just not what I wanted to do. I had that self-awareness, that that um that knowledge of who I wanted to be as the social dragonfly and and what I wanted to achieve.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

And also what you find, and I will say you had a slight advantage in the fact that you'd seen it with us, you'd seen kind of the boundaries we didn't put in place, and then towards the end, you saw the boundaries we did. Do you remember that client that came on and they were really aggressive and they spoke to you really badly? And it was like, no, we're not doing it, and we cut them out, and we just sent them a quite a sharp email saying, We we're no longer a good fit for you, ended contract, and we never heard from them again, funnily enough. Um, and that was kind of probably the first boundary I ever really put in place, and it was terrifying. Yeah, yeah, I think it was. Bearing in mind, you know, Alison and I were 24-7, we were just, and COVID happened kind of two or three years into our journey. So if I put boundaries in place, I probably wouldn't have had to go through what I went through when I had long COVID and having to work. And I was literally four o'clock in the morning. I had a reputation with my friends of I'm the one that is up three, four o'clock in the morning working, and it just no wonder I was ill all the time. It just, but there's a fear, isn't there? We were terrified. If we say no, it's going to wreck our reputation or we're gonna lose a load of money, or somebody's gonna get really aggressive with us, word of mouth is gonna spread, somebody's gonna put something really horrible on social media. When actually, what we discovered is when you put boundaries in place, respect happens.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

When you get to work with the clients you want to work with, you start to understand. We said in the last episode about really knowing who you are and who your business is.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Excuse me. It's it's so important that those boundaries are there. So you do work with the people that bring you joy. You don't start your business for misery, you start it to feel happy. So don't worry with people that don't bring you joy. And you know that client, you know that that client would have been an absolute nightmare because their expectations would have been beyond anything realistic, and and that's where boundaries really need to come into play.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Yeah, and I think it, you know, when you enforce your boundaries as well, you know, we're talking about burnout, like that is that is such a big thing for business owners. And, you know, I've got some of my clients are wonderful, so you know, they know that I do volunteer work at beer festivals. Now, this is you know, it's it's you know, I say in inverted commas, like it's annual leave. Um, you know, as much as a business owner, we get annual leave. Um, and I've got some of my clients that, you know, I message them and say, look, you know, I'm I'm technically I'm away from my desk, but if something happens and you really need me, you know, I am available on email and and you know, yeah call me or things like that. But you know, please note that I might not respond to emails immediately because you know, I am actually working at these beer festivals. Um and I've got some of my clients who just do basically, I mean, we've said we're not going to swear, but they do basically just tell me to uh go away and enjoy my break. It's the uh polite version of what they say. I'll let the listeners make up their mind as to what they actually tell me. Um, but because I've got that good relationship and they understand, you know, they're they're business owners as well. They understand that we need a break, we need a break to do the things that we need.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

More than anything, we need a break. More than any nine to five job, we need a break because we are so on it all the time. We don't switch off at five o'clock. But the one thing I will say is that although there are real fears around saying no and setting those boundaries, when you discover the power of it, it is so empowering. And you realize that actually business starts to take off when you put those boundaries in place, you struggle until those boundaries are there. The power of no is incredible. And I wish, I wish I could go back on that business owner at the start and say, say no. Say, I don't want to do that, I can't do that. And the other thing to consider, and this is something we did all the time when we first started out, is we said yes to everything because of fear, and it was things that we weren't great at. And you know, we hear that and see that a lot in clients. I see it all the time as I've just picked up this car, I'm gonna do this for them. You know, it's I'll learn it. No, don't learn it, because that is how to damage your reputation. Stick to what you know, stay in your lane. There is nothing wrong with staying in your lane. We used to get it all the time with you know, can you um can you build websites? We went down that track for a while. Oh my god, I look back now, and the websites were shocking. But we said yes to it because you know, we had somebody in the team, my husband, who you know was mildly capable of building a website and he did a decent job for the clients we had, but it wasn't a good job. We were never gonna be the go-to for that area of expertise. And I look back and think, why can't we just say no?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

I well, I I am the same now, is the fact that I find it's like I'm almost getting to a point where Let me just shut the door, Flick. I'm always getting to the point of like uh digital marketing marketing Pokemon cards because people come to me and say, Do you do websites? Do you do SEO? Do you do email marketing? And it's one of those of well, no, I don't. However, I have a trusted group of people who do those things, yeah, and I will work with them. So if you want, you know, so and so to do your website, I will work with them so that your social media marketing matches your website. Yeah, you know, somebody doing if you know, you want somebody doing your SEO, I've got somebody, you know, in my contacts who does SEO and she does it brilliantly, um, but she'll work with me so that we know all the keywords that we're going for, the target audience that we're going for, so that we can match across the social media and again email marketing. So it's almost like I do have a team of people who do that, although we are all individuals and work in our own businesses and stuff like that. And I really like that collaboration, you know. So when people say to me, Do you do this? No, but I have somebody, you know, who I highly recommend. So if you're trusting me and you're coming to me to ask me, Do I do such and such? It's like, no, I don't, but I work with so and so who does, and they do it amazingly, and that I trust them.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

And that's and don't be afraid of that collaboration. I mean, that's a whole other topic that we could talk about, which I'm sure we will. In fact, we'll add that to the list. Um, but collaboration is powerful too, and you you can get even more savvy with it because when you start building your network, so when you're out networking and you're meeting other people and you're building relationships and you get to see their work and you trust them, you can build those collaborations and you can get to a point where you don't even have to say to the client, and this it's not sneaky, it's not underhanded, you don't have to say, No, I don't do it. What you say is I've got somebody who can do that for you that that we work together on, and you know, you pull them into your business, and then you actually pay each other for that referral. That's another option to go down. So you're still not losing money, you're keeping your reputation because you trust that person, you're providing the service the client wants, and you're making a little bit of commission out of it, and so are they. So, you know, you don't need to take it all on. You don't say yes to things that you're not great at. It's just it's one way to destroy your reputation immediately.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Yeah, this is this is what goes back to what we said in the first episode of you know, being, you know, being authentically yourself and apologetically yourself, is you know, admitting that I mean, I I my mind baffles when somebody says that they do all elements of social of digital media marketing, uh, digital marketing even, um, on their own. And I'm like, you know, bam, bam, and you do all of that. I'm like, oh, I I just couldn't wrap my head around that because I'm like, I I love one element of it, but then like I say, you know, some of my contacts that do websites, they hate social media with a passion. So it's like we work so well together. Cause I'm like, yeah, I can I'm very much like you guys were, you know, I can do my own website to a reasonable standard. Um, I'm just, I mean, last year I had my website redone and I paid somebody to do it because it was like, well, I can do it, but I don't want to spend the time doing it. I don't want to spend, you know, it's not my passion, it's not my love.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Well, you know, it goes back to why wouldn't you outsource the things so that you can do more of what you love.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

And actually, there's a couple of topics coming out with this. We've got collaboration, but we've all also got outsourcing, which we need to talk about at some point as well. But in terms of so less as a business owner then and and more of a client, because you come from a different perspective again. And I know this because I used to have that perspective. You have clients who I don't know how loud that is. Oh, I nearly said it again. Um, you have clients who will say to you that they you said it at the beginning that they need to be everywhere, they need to be on Facebook, LinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, every one of them. How do you manage them? How do you say to them that they can stay consistent and they can keep momentum going without having to be on it 24-7? Because they've got businesses to run.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah, I often say to them, I'm like, look, you know, don't worry about being everywhere at once. Start with doing one thing and doing it well, and doing it really, really well. So, you know, if that's LinkedIn, start there, or if it's Facebook or Instagram, whichever one it is, you know, what actually can feasibly fit into your diary? Because I'm well aware that like I'm working with real customers. Very good. Can you hear him? Can you hear him? Very faintly, we can hear the dog.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Okay, that's all right then. That's all right.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Like I thought you were pulling faces at me for a while. No, not really.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

How loud is this dog in the background? But okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Um, but yeah, so just start with what is actually reasonable. And I say this when you know, we're when we're saying strategies of like committing to posts. If your commitment level that's feasible for you in your business and how busy you are right now, is one post per week, but you can make that post absolute gold that is going to really set the world on fire in your industry, then do one post per week. Stop trying to be like these paid content creators who've monitored. platforms yeah um so they have to that's their full source of income is actually creating content putting that out there every day on every platform if if this is your full-time job then yes absolutely you need to be more more visible but it's not you know if you're a if you're a plumber that can only put out one post a week on Facebook and share it to a couple of groups then let's work with that but let's make that pay that Facebook post each week absolute pure gold yeah rather than trying to be you know putting five posts on Facebook or seven posts a week and they're all just really wishy washy they're not at all yeah yeah they're just really bland and like hi I'm a plumber what do you need I'm here to help kind of you know not not building that rapport not building that connection so work within your capabilities you know as as I said earlier like I this is my job you know social media marketing is my my entire business and even I don't have the the same time to be on every platform because there's over over a hundred social media platforms yeah there's so many and it's so easy because you you know it's not just about the posting it's the engagement it's the you know connecting with people um building that rapport online there's so much more to it um so you can run the risk of being online 247 and easily accessible 247 I mean I remember um the one of the other clients that you guys uh you know politely ended the contract with was because they were messaging you at two o'clock in the morning and you were getting up and you were responding to them at two o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

I was what are you doing? Like no and worse they actually made me download an app so they could communicate with me easier and it was like no because it just the notifications on it were just constant and the problem with that client and it it he wasn't trying to be deliberately kind of um I don't know the word I'm looking for but he wasn't trying to be difficult with me. He wasn't his expectations weren't that high but he was probably if I'm honest off the charts ADHD and his things it came into his mind and he had to say it as he felt as he as he thought it so he'd voice message me while he had these thoughts but that was one two three four o'clock in the morning and I'd get these notifications and I'm a light sleeper and of course because I've got ADHD when a message comes through I can't just think bugger that I'm gonna read it in the morning. I'm like I need to read that I need to know what it says now.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

It wouldn't exist in the morning would it it's just it'd be gone and then you can damage your relationship with your client but yeah I have you know I have sometimes I message a client at a weekend or something like that and I always apologise you know because if I'm working at a weekend I I try not to because I mean you know what my diary's like and uh I'm here there and everywhere but you know if I need to message a client and it's sort of out of office hours again in inverted quotes um you know I I always apologise and going oh sorry it's late or sorry it's early or sorry it's at the weekend um and I think I've just said a sorry four times now in the podcast at the same time so you apologise a lot but it's that you know again it's that you know I'm not expecting a response from them at that time it's just like you say it's in my head and it's uh oh I've just seen this do you think this would work well for your content you know do you want to experiment with this kind of thing um and again it's that object permanence because if I if I didn't message them at that point then I might forget about the the idea or the thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

So but I think also you can especially when you're a small business you can have boundaries around how people communicate with you as well. You don't have to say that you can communicate with me on Facebook Messenger. You don't have to say you can message me on Instagram you can say get in touch via email get in touch via WhatsApp if you've got business WhatsApp and you switch those notifications off at five o'clock or whatever time you finish those boundaries are really important. You don't have to reply as soon as somebody comes in with a message you don't and when you do and I think this is really important and this is a mistake that I still make because I can't not reply because I have to read the message and I have to process it and I have to reply is when you do reply immediately you are setting the expectation you are saying to that client I am available 247 I will respond within an hour of you sending that message when actually realistically that's not always going to be the case but then you're going to lower the expectations and you're going to break those expectations when you can't do it in the future to set them from the start but hold your own boundaries.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

But yeah and it it is about that that response time as well you know we we expect now quick response times we're so used to dealing with large corporations who have like the chatbots on their their their websites or on their Facebook or you know whatever messaging apps that you're using um with large corporations. So then when we come to small business and we we start our own businesses we're like well I've got to respond at the same speed that you know no you don't no no you absolutely don't you're allowed online you went into business most of the time to have a work life balance. Yeah absolutely have it absolutely and actually your business will be better for it it will thrive easier if you have these boundaries in place 100% yeah what what's your golden nugget flick what's your what is it come on then let's because it's been a week now so what is it uh wild words of wisdom wild words of wisdom thank you what is your wild word or what are your wild words of wisdom uh I think it's it's gonna be something along the lines of you know the the the power of saying no that there is power behind that word I'm guessing from your face you were gonna say something I was I was but just stick with it that is you know it's it's both of our wild words of wisdom wisdom then oh I can't say it never gonna be able to say it wild words the wisdom yeah the power of saying no yeah just and just embrace it and just like you know it's so important because you know when you are a small business and burnout is such a real threat for so many small business owners and it's so it's so easy to to not notice the fact that you are burning out um because you haven't learned the power of saying no um it's just you know if you if you go if you go down like there's there's no there's nobody else in the office that's gonna that's gonna pick up the slack so you know you have to look after yourself and and learning the power of saying no um is just gonna it's just gonna help you to do that and and help you to not burn out and still love what you do. Absolutely we went into this because we love what we do right yeah yeah don't talk yourself out of it by not having boundaries which will happen which did happen to me and and you don't have to be online 247 pick what's right for you pick what's good for you what's working for you um and make make use of your time smartly I think is yeah there we are 40 minutes and 53 seconds we are managing our own expectations fairly well right now it's actually probably a little bit less than that all right so I think should we leave it there today I think that's a good place to end it the power of saying no yes absolutely setting your boundaries avoiding dynamics and hold your boundaries yeah fabulous right well see you next time stay wildly intentional by thanks for spending this time with us on Wildly Intentional if this podcast sparks something for you take it with you and act on it don't forget to subscribe share and come and say hello online and remember bold talk leads to big breakthroughs with no apologies