3. When Business Feels Hard: The Realities No One Talks About

In this episode of Wildly Intentional, Flick and Verity have a refreshingly honest conversation about the moments in business that feel heavy, uncertain or just plain hard.

From wobbly seasons to tough decisions, they explore the reality of growing a business when things aren’t flowing — and why taking a part-time job or additional income stream doesn’t mean you’ve failed. In fact, it might be one of the smartest and most strategic moves you can make.

This is a candid, judgement-free chat about navigating pressure, challenging the stigma around employment alongside entrepreneurship, and giving yourself permission to build your business in a way that actually supports your life.

If you’ve ever questioned your next step, felt the weight of responsibility, or wondered whether others are finding it just as tough behind the scenes, this episode will remind you that you’re not alone — and that hard seasons don’t mean the end of your growth.

In this episode, we talk about:

• The reality of difficult seasons in business
• Removing shame around taking paid work alongside your business
• Financial pressure, mindset and resilience
• Making smart, intentional decisions for long-term growth

This episode is for you if:

• You’re an established business owner navigating a challenging phase
• You’re balancing income, growth and real life
• You want honest conversations about entrepreneurship — not just the highlight reel

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Wildly Intentional, the podcast for business owners who refuse to play small.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

This is where we have bold talk, honest conversations and dig into what it really takes to create big breakthroughs in business and life.

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Replick and verity, two business owners who've built, broken, rebuilt and grown businesses in our own ways.

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And we're here to share the lessons, the mindset chips, and the unapologetic decisions that helped us to level up.

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So if you're ambitious, growth focused, and ready to do business on your own terms. Let's get wildly intentional.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Hello, Flick. How are you? Yeah, not too bad, thank you, Ann. How are you? I'm good, thank you. Welcome back, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Hopefully you've come back and you're ready for more of our wildly intentional chaos.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Absolutely. And we are kind of in danger, you know. This is like going against the grain for us because we are in gate in danger of actually being consistent.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Means the fact that we haven't gone excited, puppy. We're actually, you know, we we are we are cat-like. We are we are moving forward with poison purpose. And my tiger's in danger of showing itself again.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Um for those who don't know, because when you know this is just audio, it's not video. I can actually see Flick and she's got a green screen on, but every time she moves, there is a tiger in the background, which is very apt and very unintentional, I think. But she is sat in a position with a picture of a tiger in the background, which is very wild, Flick.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yes, it's it's a gorgeous tiger with a cub, and I feel like I probably need to put something out on socials as to what what you can see in the background of of my video as we're recording these podcasts because it's it's so on brand for for us for this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

It is wildly unintentional.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah, I did not intend to sit here. I did not sit here and think, you know, oh, I've got a tiger behind me. Like, no, this is just this is what happens. It it just it feels right.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

So it does. Yeah, what are we talking about today?

SPEAKER_01 2:00

I was gonna say hopefully people have listened to episode one, and if they haven't, definitely go back and chat. Um listen to episode one because we did have some fantastic breakthroughs in that and in our bold chat, bold chat.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

We did, we did talk. We get some really good advice in that, it was unexpected. Yeah, we thought it might just be us, just was it chewing the cut as you know, as the cows do? Who knew? Who knew that we actually know what we're talking about? I know, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

So this week we thought we'd we'd talk about um a little bit of that about that, you know, when business feels hard, you know, the the reality is that nobody talks about when you first start out as a business owner. Um, you know, the the trials, the tribulations, you know, uh those of you who've listened to episode one, you know the fact that Verity's had a few businesses in a time. I've had a lot of business ideas. This one's uh the first one that I've actually gone through with and couldn't be more proud of it. But you know, it's not been plain sailing, it has not been easy. You know, anybody who tells you that starting a business is easy is lying through their back teeth. Um, yeah it's scary, it's daunting, but it's fantastic when it works and it's heartbreaking when you have moments where it feels like it doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah, absolutely. I think this is a topic that needs to be talked about, really, because there's so many people out there that are struggling as business owners and they don't know who to talk about or talk to about it. It's solopreneurship is really, really lonely. If you're not part of kind of any networking or any kind of coaching group or anything like that, then it really feels like you're on your own and you do go through these constant challenges and you know, make like no apologies about the fact that business is a constant challenge. I think when we go into it, we have this dream that we're gonna have this really lovely lifestyle, and you know, we're gonna work it around our children, or we're gonna work it around different aspects of our life, and it's all gonna be wonderful, and we're gonna make loads of money.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

100k in the first second.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Yes, absolutely, and then reality hits. Oh, my dogs are gonna start because the door's just gone. Um I'm not gonna apologise for that, just bear with it'll they'll pass down in a second. They will.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

We really are, we really are a wildly uh intentional podcast.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

We are very wild. Yeah, so you can be part of this if you want. Come on then, come on, come on, yeah, come on, no barking though. That's it, go boy, come on. Um, so yes, uh well, I nearly said it then. Um I think we do go into it with this real kind of sense of it's going to be amazing, and then reality hits, and it's why so many, well, I mean, there's many reasons why so many businesses fail in the first year or first three years, but part of that I think is momentum and motivation and the reality that business is hard. And I will say at the beginning of this, before we even talk about the challenges, if you are just thinking about going into business and you haven't done it yet, please rethink it if you think it's going to be easier than a nine to five job. Because trust me, that nine to five, even if it's feels like there's a box you can't fit into in that job, what you're about to do is 10 times harder. So you've got to have some serious motivation to be a business owner. The facts are the facts, and it's a lesson we learned.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

And you know, even if you're, you know, if you are currently in that sort of nine to five and you're going, this doesn't feel right for me, this is hard, this is you know, this is a chore to drag myself into the shower every morning to get to work. You know, yes, uh the the highs of being a business owner are higher than you will ever feel in that nine to five or or whatever hours you're working for somebody else. Um, you know, and I say this as you know, those of you who listen to episode one know the fact that I used to work for Verity. Like I'm I'm sat here chatting to my previous employer, saying the fact that, you know, um the highs that I got from that job were brilliant. They were they were wonderful. I loved working for Verity. Um, but the highs that I get as a business owner are higher, but the lows are incredibly lower. They are.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

They are, and it's things like I wouldn't discourage anybody from going into business. I actually think everybody should be in business for themselves. I think it's it's an amazing thing to do. But when you said about, you know, if you feel it's a struggle to get yourself in the shower every day when you go to your job, imagine not having a manager putting the pressure on. Are you really capable of actually getting in that shower and getting yourself out of bed every day to do it for your own business? When you sit at your laptop and you don't know where to start, what is going to drive you to that? And I think you have to be really clear in your motivation before you do it because it is going to be a slog. You are not going to make a hundred thousand pounds in the first year, or you might, but it's very unlikely. You are going to struggle for the first couple of years. So you have to be fully mentally prepared for that challenge.

unknown 6:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

But if you are, do it because it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Oh, yeah. You know, nobody starts a business on a whim, and having that right support around you is like the the best advice. It's the simplest, but it's the best advice, whether that's you know, that's a partner at home, your kids, your your mum, your dad, you know, auntie, yucky, sister's brother's boy, whatever whoever it is, you know, having those people who you know you can turn to in those moments of despair and going like, oh my god, this is hard work. And they go, Yeah, but remember why you're doing it. Remember who you are.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

You know, that that is invaluable to have in the support system in like your home, your family, and life. But then, you know, going out and finding it in the business world as well is is just it it's paramount. The people who start their business and they don't go out networking and they don't go out, and I'm like, how? How do you as a business owner start on your own completely utterly isolated? And I'm like, I I don't understand how people can do that. I mean, hats off to them if they can.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Um, I think thinking about this, right? I'm just gonna put it out there that I actually think this is gonna be more than one podcast because I think this is a really big topic, and we're gonna talk about certain challenges. Yeah, what did I say? The same podcast. Oh, yeah, same podcast, different, you know what I mean. Um, different, it's gonna be more than one episode on this because I think you know, a lot of people are gonna relate if we talk about certain challenges that we've been through, as an example, a lot of people are gonna relate, but we've been through so many challenges over the years that I think it's probably gonna justify more than one episode. So I'm just putting the expectations out there to try and keep us on time. So, you know, with it there's more to this, but this is all we need to do today. Just saying that.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Yeah, I think I think you're absolutely right because as we go along with this the podcast episodes, you know, those of you who are listening to us, you know that we're saying, Oh, what we're gonna talk about this episode. But there might be times where we've set the intention of we're gonna talk about something, but actually there's something else that's happened to us right here, right now, as a business owner, that we want to talk about. We want to share our experiences, we want to share our stories.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Um that's gonna come about. So this is not like a one one and done topic. This is gonna be a revisited topic, I think.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

100%. So, what what challenges would you say you faced that have been particularly difficult?

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Um, I think you know, if we if we take it from like starting that business, from taking that first step, um, it was, you know, because of being what my business is being in social media, I knew the fact that there were certain things that I had to get right straight away. And it wasn't something that I could I could figure out, like my branding and my social media platforms, like I had to get those right straight off the bat, you know, for for businesses in other areas and in other industries, like those things are sort of a thing that you can kind of figure out as you go. You know, if you're going into, I don't know, whether you're gonna sell a product, like yes, okay, you know, you need to have some social media and you need to have some branding and things like that around it. But when you're becoming a social media marketer and I'm gonna go out there and say, like, this is what I do, if I hadn't set it up right for myself first, that was that was gonna be straight away cutting myself off at the knees. You know, I wasn't gonna be able to get started without having that understanding of my brand and my business and my my values.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yeah, 100%. No, I agree. I think the biggest I'm I'm gonna bring the big one into it. And this this might actually, you're gonna kill me because this might not only dominate the conversation a little bit, but also take away from a topic that I put in there this morning, because maybe I'm thinking that belongs in here, then it does in its own, but we'll see. Yeah, the biggest challenge, and you hit the nail on the head when you said about having support around you, because I think that is the most important aspect of starting a business. If you don't have that support network, you are going to struggle because you need that. And we've seen over the years with our clients so many people. I mean, I'm really fortunate. My husband is amazing. My husband was actually in my business with me in the agency, so he gets it, he understands what it takes to run a business, he's run his own business before. So I'm really lucky that I have that support network, and I know that you do with your husband, he's hugely supportive of what you've chosen to do. Yeah, but if you haven't got that, and we've spoken to countless people over the years who don't necessarily have that support, and then the financial pressure comes. And when you start your business, it's you start, like we said, with this dream that you know there is untapped income, there is no ceiling to what you can earn. But it takes years to get anywhere near that ceiling. And you know, it is true that for the first three years, you are probably not going to make a lot of money, so you need to make sure that you can survive not just financially, but also mentally with the with the pressure of money for those first three years. You might get lucky, you might have a niche or you might have an industry that will take off immediately and you'll have that income straight away. But the majority of businesses takes a good two to three years before you start seeing any real return on it. Because in the first year, you should be plowing money back into the business because that's the only way it's going to grow. A lesson it took me a while to learn again. So I think money is probably not the fact that there isn't a lot of money, but the pressure to earn money. And I've seen so many times over the years, and it makes me really sad. And this is something I felt and I've been there, and then I solved the problem, which I'll tell you how to, which is really controversial. You know where I'm going, you know it's really controversial. Um, but I think when you start to put that pressure on, so when you've maybe been in your business six, 12, 18 months and the money's still not coming in the way you need it to, you start to get the pressure from your other half. They're starting to say, Do you know, maybe you need to think about getting a job, or you've got your members who don't understand it saying, aren't you going to get a real job? Or I don't know what you do, I don't understand what you do. And you get all of that, you know, and that's a whole other episode in itself, you know, other people's opinions of business owners. But when you haven't got that support and the pressure comes on, or even if you have got that support, but suddenly reality is hitting that you can't go much further without that money, the pressure is felt. And unfortunately, when you start to really feel that financial pressure, it goes further and further down because you are almost now in desperate state. And when you're desperate, you know how we've talked about being unapologetically you. Well, unapologetically you at that time is desperate, and you cannot help but show that. So you will be going left, right, and center for clients, you'll be saying yes to everything in panic, and that is not how your business is going to grow, it's just an absolute it's a dead stop. It doesn't work. I've tried it a million times, it does not work. You have to take the panic away. So can I talk about what I did first? Because then you did it second. Yeah, we've both done it. That's the that was I that came out wrong, actually. That meant that sounded like, well, I I did it first. That's how I meant it. It meant that we've done this.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

That's not the relationship you and I have, anyway. So it's like I didn't take it that way. Well, if the listeners did, we do apologize. No, we don't apologize. No, we don't apologize. But if the listeners took it that way, that was not how how Verity meant it at all.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

It was just uh It was more a do you mind if I talk about this? Because we've we've both done this. So a few years back when I was kind of in the early days of Blue Giraffe, I I didn't have the pressure off my husband. Like I said, I was lucky, but I had the pressure of myself. I was really conscious of the fact that I was no longer really earning any money because blue giraffe was very early days. I had a small membership, I wasn't earning a lot from it. And I happened to be in a shop, and it was a shop that I go into a lot, and they said to me, I don't suppose you know anybody who's looking for a job. And without even thinking about it, I said, Yes, I am. And when I got home that night, I was like, What did I just do? And I actually took this part-time job, and it was only two days a week at the time, but it gave me a regular income, not a huge income, but just a regular, steady income. And I struggled with that decision for about six months because I was like, I can't tell anybody, I can't tell anybody I've gone and got a part-time job because oh my god, the stigma around that, then it'll look like I'm not making it in my business. Well, of course I'm not making it in my business, I'm less than a year in.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

You're inverted, quotes, like you're failing in business because you've gone to go and get a part-time job. And it's like, you're not, you're not.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Oh, my business is a hobby because I'm only doing it part-time. But actually, that part-time is full-time because you're doing it in every single hour around the clock while you do this part-time job. And I remember sitting there one day and I had an agreement with them. It was a really like cushy number at the time, because I had an agreement that I could do my business while working in this shop. They had no objections to that. So it was good. So I could still work on my business full-time doing that, but I had that steady income. And I remember having that epiphany, I got the word right this time. Um, I had that epiphany where I thought, why am I not telling people this? Because over the last six months, my business has started to grow and thrive because I took the financial pressure off. Yeah. So then it became insane that we're ashamed to be, you know, having a part-time job while running a business. And to me, now I look at it and think, I mean, I'm fortunate in the fact that I was able to step away from that job eventually because I grew my business, because I took the pressure off. I know wholeheartedly I would not have got where I am today with my business if I hadn't taken that part-time job because it got me where I needed to be. It gave me that steady income that I needed, small income, but steady and consistent. It covered my bills, so the pressure was off. I could go back to enjoying my business.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

And you did the same. Yeah, yeah. I did exactly the same. I'd been going for my business for what, 13 months, I think it was. And I suddenly looked at my finances, and you know, I got my dream holiday coming up to New Zealand, and I wanted to be able to not have to worry about finances while I was on that holiday. I wanted to be able to just, you know, this was this was my once-in-a-lifetime kind of everything that I ever wanted from a holiday. This was what I was going to go and do. And I didn't want to be worried about, oh, I can't really buy that thing because or I can't buy that experience or that excursion or or whatever it was, because you know, I was a year into business. And so I went to go and work in a pub because I've worked in pubs and clubs for you know, basically my entire adult life, either as a full-time job or as a part-time job. You know, I paid for my wedding by working in a pub because I realized that my salary at the time, when I was employed by somebody, wasn't going to fund the wedding that I wanted. So it was a, well, I'll go work a few nights a week in a in the local pub, you know, um, and and chat to people behind the bar and all this kind of stuff and get some income. So when I faced that in business, it was okay, well, I can go and do this thing. I can go and get the job in a pub and a few hours a week down the pub. Um, working, definitely not drinking. And I, you know, and I I could help fund what I wanted to. And somewhere along the lines, the way it was then it became at some points that were necessary. You know, when we talk of business owners when you start out, you know, that 18 months, two years, that first sort of burst of business.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Um, we talk about the feast and famine when it comes to your finances, and you'll have some months where like you're absolutely to the max, pedal to the floor, you know, everything's going right, the finances are coming in, the right things are going out, the right things are happening for you. And then you have some months where, like you say, you're absolutely in that place of desperation of, oh my god, where is the next paycheck coming from? Um, and the the pub really, you know, supported me in that and just gave me at least I knew that I got something coming in that could at least cover my bills. It might not cover, you know, going out for a meal or going out to the cinema or whatever I wanted to do, you know, and I'm talking after I came back from my holiday. Um, and to this day I still I still work in a pub. I know I work a few hours a week at the pub, and you know, when people talk to me over the bar or my colleagues, and I always call it that's my side hustle. That's my side hustle, like the social dragonfly, the business. You know, working in a pub is almost like my hobby now, but I get paid to do it, and I I love working in the pub. And I've actually got business from working in that pub because and then I did the same in the shop because you talk to customers, you know, it was customer facing. It also was a real lifeline for my husband because I'm quite a chatty person, probably why I wanted to start a podcast, you know. I'm quite a chatty person, and he'd come home from work, so he's in the military, and he'd be on shift with like 30 blokes or 30 people, um, and they were all chatting all day constantly. And he'd come home and he wants a peace and quiet, and he comes home to his wife, who's like sat at home staring at a laptop screen all day, and I just wanted to chat, and there was somebody here I could talk to. So going to work in a pub where there were other people he could talk to was really a lifeline for him as well as for me. Um, and you know, natural conversation flows, and it's like, oh, so what do you do? And it's like, well, this is my side hustle, you know, what I actually do is this, and I've been invited to go and speak at conferences. I've been in, you know, I've had clients from the pub. I've you know, various people have then followed me on social media because they they know the fact that that's my side hustle and they get on really well with them. And they go, Well, what else does she do? Um, and I still to this day, like struggle, I do still struggle with that battle of do I talk about it on socials? Because does it make me less of a professional business owner because I've got a part-time job in a pub? And it's like, no, it doesn't, because if everybody talked about the part-time jobs that they do, then actually we would say that that everybody does it. Yeah, so many people in businesses, and it says nothing about your business if you go and get a part-time job to fuel those extra hours and get that little bit of income.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Absolutely. No, I completely agree, and I think it does just take that pressure off massively, and that is uh it's kind of vital in business because uh like I said earlier, that pressure it's it comes out of you. You can see it, you can hear it in your voice, you can see it in your social media marketing, even if you don't think you're doing it. So even going to earn, you know, 50 quid a week, 200 quid a month that covers some of your bills just takes that pressure off, and there is no shame around it. We need to stop feeling shame around having to go and get a second income when we start up in business. I'm going into my fourth year, is it fourth, fourth year in Blue Giraffe? And it's only been in the last year that I was able to not have that part time job, and I've got enough of an income now where I don't, I'm still nowhere near where I want to be, you know, I'm nowhere near where I want to be, but I've got enough income now to cover a full time job. Income, which is lovely, it's a brilliant position to be in. But I'm going into my fourth year doing it for three years, it wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

No, and that's the thing now. I'm I'm in a very similar position in the fact that you know the social dragonfly is is doing really well. I'm I'm the same. I'm you know into my fourth year of trading. Um, and yet I still have the job in the pub because actually I really enjoy it. And why shouldn't I do the things that I love? The fact that it you know it pays me money is a you know is a cherry on the cake from my perspective now. My my attitude towards that put towards that pub work has completely shifted, and now it's uh that that's a hobby that I get paid for.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah. And I did actually, that's really relevant because when I was in the shop, I mean I worked there for two years and I really loved it. But also from an ADHD perspective, just to pull that card in there again, it it was like giving my brain a rest because when you're in business, you're 24-7, it doesn't stop. Your brain is going constantly. You you just there is no real break from it. You can't shut the door at five o'clock, it doesn't happen like that. But when you've got a part-time job, especially in the early days, it gives your brain a rest because you've got something else to think about, and then what happens is you're refreshed when you're thinking about your business, you can come back with those better ideas, the fog has lifted. There are so many benefits. This is kind of this is definitely turned into this is going to be several episodes because this is turned into the job episode, but you know, it is the biggest challenge that people face when they start up in business. And for the first few years in business, I think it's a really important topic to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, we we well, we said at the beginning the fact that you know, when when business feels hard, well, there's lots of different times where businesses do feel hard, and and you know, don't by any stretch of the imagination, listeners, you know, think that because Verity and I are very much talking, you know, in our fourth year of business trading and we've got all of this experience that we don't still face those hardships. There are still moments where you know we've called each other up on the phone and gone, like, what am I doing? What you know, they're they're still out there, but you know, when you're when you're first starting out and you're worried about the finances, you know, don't feel shame or guilt over and don't apologize for the fact that you need that part-time job.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

But no I would actively encourage you to go and get a part-time job when you start a business for so many reasons, not just for finances, it would just it will help you so much in so many ways.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Yeah, and it's it's another networking opportunity, particularly the jobs that you and I picked up, you know, the the the working in the pub, the working in a shop where you're you're customer facing, um, you know, but you can meet new people through there that you might never have met through a networking room because they've never gone into a networking room, but they might come into the shop or the pub or you know, insert appropriate job title here, um, that you'd never meet in a normal circumstance, and and therefore you can get a relationship with them and build rapport, and then when they find out what what you what you really do, um they come to you as customers and clients.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah, absolutely. It's just a no-brainer, and it's so funny because that there's so much stigma around it. There were so many reasons I wouldn't have considered getting a part-time job until I really needed to. And actually, I wish now I'd done it from day one because I think I actually think I probably would have knocked a year off my business struggle if I hadn't, if I had just gone and got that part-time job from day one.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm quite lucky as well where where I work in the pub. Um, so the assistant manager um is actually a VA who does social media, but um, so we we chat all the time about, you know, and having other people who are, you know, in the same industry as you, who are friends who you can chat to and sort of go, like, oh, you know, you can talk those technicalities of like, oh, you know, not necessarily complain about a customer, but you know, uh I'm gonna use the the classic example of when meta goes down and like you my clients phone me up, like, oh my god, Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, you know, all of these things um happen. But I have somebody who's about an idea off and go like, so how much was your phone ringing off the hook today because Meta went down? And and you know, how how active did your LinkedIn get because Meta went down? And I'm just using that as an example. There are other things.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

But you're right, it's like it's it's not just the networking, but it's the whole social aspect of it entirely. Because, like we said at the beginning, business is lonely when you're in it on your own, it's really lonely. And yes, you've got networking events, and yes, you should network as much as you can, but having that part-time job opens up a whole other level. And people who don't want to talk about business 24-7-2. Let's not rule those out because some of those are really valuable. The ones that don't really know what you do, other than work in the shop or the pub and actually just want to have a general conversation with you. Sometimes you just need that conversation. So there's just no negative to it, really. You earn money, you get out of the house, you meet people, you you make contacts, you've got the social aspect, you've got the pressure off. What is not to love about getting a part-time job?

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Yeah, if there's just this stigma of, oh, you're not you're not a proper business owner, if you got, oh, we're we're trying very hard not to swear on this, but I'm I'm about to.

unknown 27:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Swear away. I look to them and what they think about who I am as a business. Because as we said in the first episode, you know, if you really know who you are at your core and you're true to yourself, you won't let those kinds of opinions affect you.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

No. And actually, when I actually went out and announced it, I actually gained several new customers from that one announcement because of the honesty and the fact that people related to it completely because I was helping small business owners, so it was just it was no-brainer. So that would be my wild word of wisdom. One of these episodes, I'm gonna that's gonna flow.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

One of these episodes, I might attempt to uh say it rather than just giving you. What your wild word of wisdom is.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah, see, it's hard, right? It's hard. Your wild word of wisdom of the week will add of the week in. I think for me, it's just you know, when we're talking about business challenges, and I think we'll talk a lot more about this over different episodes, but that financial challenge, go and get a part-time job. That is and there's just no negative to it, just go and get yourself a part-time job because if it's feasible for your circumstances, obviously, it takes the pressure off and and just opens up so many doors that you you have no idea are there at the minute. And don't worry about the stigma, there is no real stigma because anybody else in business understands, you're just doing what you have to do.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

And and if yeah, you're absolutely right. If people aren't in business and they don't understand, then it's not on it's not on them to have an like an opinion that matters to you.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

And they're not your customers anyway. So what are you worrying about?

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Yeah, I think for me, for me, the the world word of wisdom is the having the the support network in place is vital as a business owner. You you can't, you can't, even as a sole trader, you just can't survive without it.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

I think we should do an episode on that or at least include it as a its own topic in an episode. I think that would be a good one about support networks and when it's not supportive and how you deal with that.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

And I suppose we should also add the fact that you know, if anybody who's listening and they'd like us to to cover a particular topic about business owner, absolutely how would you know they have something that they they'd really like to hear our opinion on. Um, by all means, you know, we're we're not going to set up a a sort of a separate email address or anything for this podcast, but we might set up some separate socials. But you can find me on social media, funnily enough. Um you can find Verity all over social media as well. So, you know, just drop us a message and tell us what you'd like to us to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Because Absolutely. Yes, do that. That'll be great.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

All right. We think we've come to that 30 minutes. I was gonna say we could we could keep talking about different hardships. I think no, we've we've we'll we've set the intention. We've not gone too wild. We've not gone too wild.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Wildly intentional.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Okay. See you next time. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Thanks for spending this time with us on Wildly Intentional.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

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