Wildly Intentional

7. The ADHD Entrepreneur Advantage

• Flick Hamnett-Day & Verity Curryer • Season 1 • Episode 7

Share episode

Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.

0:00 | 54:08

After the chaos of last week's episode - trust us, you want to go back and listen to it if you haven't heard it! - We return this week with a (slightly) more sane episode!

This week we are talking about everybody's favourite topic, it feels like at the moment.... ADHD!

Flick is currently going through for her ADHD diagnosis, and Verity has known about hers for a long time and now even teaches business owners how to be more inclusive in the workplace.

If you couldn't tell from episode six (and all the other before), this is a topic that both of us are very passionate about and could talk about for a very long time. Somehow, we managed to get away with an episode that was longer than we planned but less than 3 hours long.

We talked about what it is like being a business owner with ADHD and how to navigate the trials that come with it, as well as the superpower elements of ADHD.

We'd love to hear what you think about episode seven so make sure you follow us on social media to hear more from our wildly chaotic minds.

 Subscribe to Wildly Intentional for weekly bold conversations on business growth, mindset and building a business that actually works for you. 

Come and say "hello" to us online - you can find Wildly Intentional Podcast on Facebook and Instagram.

Don't forget to join us in our Facebook Group to continue the conversation and let us know your thoughts on this episode and if you have ever felt the same as we do here.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to Wildly Intentional, the podcast of business owners who refuse to play small.

SPEAKER_01

This is where we'll have bold talks, honest conversations and dig into what it really takes to create big breakthroughs in business and in life.

SPEAKER_00

We're Verity and Flick. We're two business owners who have built, broken, rebuilt and grown businesses in our own ways.

SPEAKER_01

And we're here to share the lessons, the mindset shifts, and the unapologetic decisions that have really helped us to level up.

SPEAKER_00

So if you're ambitious, you're gross focused, and you're ready to do business on your own terms. You're in exactly the right place. So let's get wildly intentional. Hello. Hello. We always start with that. Hello. Hello. I don't know why our voices go up that much, Jew and Orange.

SPEAKER_01

And I feel like I always look at you a little bit nervously like, are you gonna say hello first, or am I gonna say hello first?

SPEAKER_00

It's like a thumbs up going on. It's like that's that's great, Flick. But are you gonna say it? No, I'll say it. Okay, cool. Welcome back. You will be pleased to know that the hormones have pretty much left the building. So if you've tuned into last week's episode, it was girls gone wild or women gone wild or whatever we called it. Yeah, we called it something like that. The chemists have now sorted out my prescription, so I am firmly back on track. Um, nobody was harmed in this interim period, I will reassure everybody. Um Flick, I'm sure you're coming out the other end.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yes, absolutely. I feel more human now. I feel less like a cave troll.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, absolutely. However, we do have other things going on today. And you know, we started this this morning with this crazy conversation about life today, which is going to lead us nicely, I think, into today's into today's podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because we've we've got like a bank of topics that we want to cover with you guys that we want to talk about. Um, and we sort of start these so we have a little bit of a catch-up, um, and then we go, right, is there a topic that kind of feeds into what we've just spoken about? You know, what's going on with us at the moment? Um, and if there's not, you know, you get an episode like the ones last week where it was just okay, let's see what sparks, let's see what goes from this, because it really wasn't that well thought out, I would say.

SPEAKER_00

It wasn't. It wasn't. But yeah, we don't actually plan these in advance. We just come on the call, you know, on recording days and have a conversation and and just think, all right, let's talk about that. And ironically, today I started by saying we don't need to share this, so we'll just talk about this before the call. And then we ended up saying, actually, we probably should share this because this is this is relevant.

SPEAKER_01

This is what happened. This is this is what's going on with our life. This is this is those bold talks that we keep saying that we have on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00

So before we get into it, should we talk about the new Facebook group, which by the time this comes out isn't actually so new anymore, it's a few weeks old. Um, but we are on Facebook now. We've got a group called Wildly Intentional, obviously. So feel free, all the podcasts will be uploaded on there, but we're gonna have some conversations in there too about the things we're talking about. Um, we'd love you guys to come in and just you know, put your input, ask us questions, discuss anything we've talked about on the podcast, tell us your experiences, share your stories, ask questions. I think I said that. Um, and just you know, whatever. We want it to be a really kind of fun group where it's real business talk. So it's not another business group, it's a business group that is like real talk. We're just having proper conversations for real business owners. So that is now on Facebook, wildly intentional. Go and look us up.

SPEAKER_01

Variety's very proud of the fact that she set up the Facebook group.

SPEAKER_00

I did. I don't do social media anymore, but I'm the one that did it. But to be fair, in fairness, right, it's not about taking credit because I stepped up and did it. Flick does everything else. I just show up on a weekly basis and talk a lot. Flick literally makes it happen. So the least I could do was manage the Facebook group. But you know, we're only like a couple of days into it. So if it gets busy, then I might be saying, Flick, help.

SPEAKER_01

It's blown up, which would be like that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00

It would be, it would be. And the other thing we were talking about this morning is we just randomly said how nice it would be if we sometimes had some guest speakers on.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely, because you know, we know the fact that an awful large portion of our listeners are business owners who are just vibing with the fact that either they they've known us for a long time and they remember when the you know all the things that we talked about are happening or you know, they're really resonating with what we're talking about. And you know what? Actually, it'd be quite nice to, you know, I don't want to say interview because that sounds really formal and like just get a conversation with yeah, like-minded business owners, because that's you know, we we like hearing from from other people who've got similar things or different stories to us as well.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. So if you've got experiences or stories to share, or you just want to come on and you know join in the wild conversations, then right now you can get in touch with us through our Facebook group. Did I mention we have a Facebook group on Facebook, obviously, called Wildly Intentional. So just pop us a message on there or just you know, drop us a message individually, whatever you want to do.

SPEAKER_01

And if I start doing the show notes right on our episodes as well, I should actually really probably put um you know our contact details in the show notes so that you know wherever you're listening to this podcast, you can find our contact details.

SPEAKER_00

Um by head, it's just like that's that's fixed to me. But just yeah, you just just make it happen, flick, make it happen.

SPEAKER_01

You'll notice about the first few episodes the show notes are really short because I was like, I don't know what to write that's not giving away what we what we actually say in the podcast. Like, we don't want the the gold nuggets to be in the show notes, so yeah, so they're they're they're they're improving each time I upload an episode. Well, I think they are anyway. Hopefully they are.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'd like to give you feedback on that on the but on the basis I've never actually read them. I just go straight in and listen. And I am sad enough to listen every week. And I'm like, oh yeah, we did talk about that. Well, that was quite funny. I did this.

SPEAKER_01

Even though I've done all the editing, and so I've listened to it when we we've edited it. I've and I'll then go on a Wednesday, I'm like, oh, it's our podcast, I'll go listen to it. And I'm like, I was like really sad that I go in and listen to our podcast.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we're sad together then because I do every Wednesday. We're like, where's the link? Give me the link. So today we thought I kind of I'm in a bit of a crazy mood today because I'm trying to juggle a million things at once. And we were just talking about the fact that obviously a couple of weeks ago I announced that I've now gone into the world of work. Um, I've got a job which is amazing, and I'm loving it, but oh my word, my neurodivergent traits have never been better. Even my boss, who's known me for a long time, turned to me the other week and she said, I knew you were neurodivergent, but I have never seen it come out the way it has since you started work. And it is like it's crazy. My brain, even my husband's going, What's the matter with you? What's the matter? You're not and I'm just going, I'm not that square peg in a round hole. I'm not. Um, so it's a bit crazy, and I'm trying to balance a load of stuff. So I'm like my mum is moving house on Friday, and so I'm literally working today down my mum's house, and I've got two laptops and a phone by the side of me. So, you know, I'm doing this in my lunch. It is, it is. It's like this is my lunch break, so let's let's put it in there. I can take lunch at that point, let's podcast, let's record, and then I've got my laptop by the side of me in case somebody wants to contact me. And because I panic because my phone decided to do an update in the middle of everything, and I was nobody can ring me. Um, so yeah, so I'm work podcast mum today, and my you know, ADHD is through the roof right now. So introduce what we're gonna talk about, Flick, because it's relevant.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we we are gonna be talking about our ADHD. We're gonna be talking about the ADHD entrepreneur advantage, but also some of the disadvantages, because you know that there are positives and negatives for being uh neurodiverse. There are we want to look at uh creativity, hyper focus, like when ADHD intuition comes into play, you know, and when it doesn't, and you know, when things go wrong because of our ADHD, um, but how to build a business to to play to our neurodivergent strengths because and I'm actually discovering this the more I I learn about my ADHD, the more I uh realize that there are so many entrepreneurs who are ADHD because it just feeds into us because we can't work a normal nine to five.

SPEAKER_00

We can't I know she started laughing because she's gone back to that. I know, but I haven't that that's the thing. I mean, they were really when I started the job, they were brilliant because I've got kind of autonomy apart from when I'm actually in class and that's structured, I've got autonomy over my diary and and what I fit in where. So it's amazing because I can get up and work at like four o'clock, five o'clock in the morning, which sometimes I'm at my best, or I can work at nine, ten o'clock at night if I want, and then I've got more time in the day. So it's it's not as kind of in the box as a normal job might be. Or hopefully, we're kind of moving from that now a little bit. I'm talking to a lot of organizations at the minute and we are kind of shifting. Um but actually I think it goes back to something we said weeks ago. It might have been the first podcast, actually, where we said, at least I think I said it, or I might have just said it in conversation to somebody else, and I think I've said it on the podcast, and I might not have. So if this is new information, then hey ho. Um totally. She'll get to the point in a minute, folks. Yeah, well, my my brain is not not okay today. Um, but I'm excited, puppy, today. That's where I am. I'm excited, puppy. But I did say it at some point that when when the reason we're all entrepreneurs, or so many entrepreneurs are neurodivergent, like you've just said, it's because we don't fit in the box that employment tries to put it into. So it's the square peg and the round hole. We just don't fit. The problem is when we go into business, we do it for the reason that you know we need to set our own timescales, we need to work to our own multi-million uh planners that we have. Um, you know, we need to do it our way.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

The next one is always I've even designed a planner because that's the one that's gonna fix me. And I spent I hyper focused and got it done in five days and never looked at it again because obviously it wasn't gonna fix me. Because it's a good planner, though.

SPEAKER_01

I might bring it out one day. Um I've actually had thoughts about designing my own planner as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, you know, feel free to share mine. It's like, you know, it's a good planner. Anyway, we're off track. Um, but we we come out of the workplace because we can't cope being, you know, that square peg in the round hole. Yet what we do when we go in business is we put ourselves into a different box. So we start listening to people and we start saying, well, we should be doing it that way, or we should be doing it that way, and so-and-so says we should be doing it that way, and we put ourselves into another box, which is why we hit the corporate mould, but in our own in our own space and our own desk in our own house, and it's like, no, which is why I'm such a huge advocate for your business your way, because it's it wasn't until I'd learned that and I realized that, and I realized that I was putting myself into this box that I don't fit in because everybody said that's how I should do it. That's when the magic happened, but I realized my box is not even it's not even there's no shape to my box at all, it's all over the place, it's like up, down, left, right, you know, everywhere, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, I'm I was exactly the same. It was, you know, uh for those people who know my story, you know, when I worked in that corporate background, you know, I was good at the job. I was really, you know, but I I lost my sense of self because I was constantly masking, I was constantly hiding who I was at work, and you know, it's a large portion of your week, your day, your your life that you spend at work. Yeah, um, and losing myself was like the most scary thing that I ever did. And then, you know, I found other jobs that were more accepting of who I wanted to be, how I wanted to act, and then obviously I came to work for you guys, and that was like the most freeing thing that I've ever like worked for because I was allowed to be creative, I was allowed to be quirky or you know, just just be myself.

SPEAKER_00

Um because we couldn't have managed you any other way, we weren't capable.

SPEAKER_01

There's no cage in this dragonfly, which you got let out of the box, but yeah, and you know, a lot of people say to me, like, oh, I don't know how you you you're able to to flip between um you know your different clients and stuff like that. But that th those days where I'm feeling super creative and I can just you know go and create all the graphics and things like that, it just fuels my brain, and I'm just like get to make pretty pictures.

SPEAKER_00

And I think we forget that we forget that we are allowed to work on the nice stuff when when our brains are in that kind of creative flow. We can, you know, obviously there are things that are time sensitive that we have to do in our business, but the majority of the time, and the one thing I advocate for massively is time blocking and sprints, like Pomodoro sprints, yeah, where you know you you get it, eat the frog for breakfast scenario. You know that I was a huge fan of that saying, eat the frog for breakfast, just get the crap out of the way first thing. So then the rest of your day is all lovely, and that goes back to everything we we've said all along about enjoying your business and being authentically you and your business. Sorry, I said the word you hate. Um, but you just apologize too. Oh, and I apologize. I did. I'm not gonna apologize for apologizing. Um, but yeah, it's you know, we want to do the nice stuff, and that's that's the reason we went into business. So we we should be allowing ourselves those those time blocks where we get to do the create and also play into your strengths. So if you wake up one morning and you're just not feeling your finances, all right, okay. So as long as it's not the 31st of January, you could probably wait another day. So just go and design whatever you want to design, get creative, go and do what you do. You're always driving your business forward, you're just doing it your way.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I was literally speaking to um one of my connections this morning, and she was saying about how the fact that she was at the gym this morning and her brain was just firing with different ideas, and so she she had to message me to get them all down onto like a WhatsApp or something like that. And I was like, Yeah, because I our brain does spot when it's not but we do have the deadline mode as well. I love activating deadline mode in an ADHD brain because it's suddenly like, oh my god, I've done so much. And you always have that moment, don't you go like, Can you imagine how productive I would be if I could activate this like 24-7? Then you're like, no, I couldn't, because I'd burn out.

SPEAKER_00

I would just well, it's funny actually when you talk about that because one of the things that I've both struggled and loved since starting this job is that my deadlines are really tight. So because the business is really busy, it's growing very quickly. Sometimes it's can you do this? It needs to be done in 48 hours. And instantly I go into kind of fight mode and I'm stressed, and my nervous system goes through the roof. But actually, I'm thriving because I've got that deadline. It has to be done by then. So input hyper focus, and here I go. And that's when I'm most productive, but I can't do it 24-7. I can't do that five days a week because I would burn out massive. And in fact, I did it last week where I had literally I did 16 hours one day, I had four hours sleep, and then I did another five hours the next morning, and I just I couldn't string a sentence together for the rest of the week. But I got it done, and it was a really good piece of work, and I'd hyper focused and did it in my own time, and I got it done by the deadline, and it was just, but you can't do that constantly. You have to know your limits.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've got exactly the same. And I try and I try and trick my brain, and I don't know whether you've ever done this, Verity, or anybody who's listening. I try and trick my brain and go, like, no, no, the deadline is Thursday, even though the deadline might be Saturday. Like, no, no, the deadline is Thursday, so that Wednesday I can activate the deadline mode in my brain and get it done for Thursday. And my brain just screams back at me and go, No, but the deadline's not until Saturday. The deadline's not until a week on Saturday or whatever, whatever it is. No, I'm not, I'm not going to activate that mode because I know that's not the actual deadline. You're just trying to force me into it. And I'm like, yeah, because I want to get it done before like how lovely would it feel if I, you know, the day for me of getting it done before the deadline. And my brain's like, Yeah, no, no, not today. Not today.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not sure I've ever done anything. And the one thing we always it was very late in, I mean, Alice and I would always joke about it when we were designing courses or when we were doing things, it would be if we had a client onboarded meeting, we had to prepare for it, anything we had to do in advance, we would always say, right, let's get it done by this date. So then we were clear for like a week or two weeks, and it's good, it's done. And it's just it never happened, it never happened. I was literally designing training courses, sometimes the morning of the training course, and they were always amazing, you know, and our feedback was great, and the delegates got everything they wanted out of it. But towards the end of it, probably in the last year, we then switched our joking towards, you know, not let's get it done in advance to let's not even pretend this is gonna happen. So we know to block the day before or the couple of days before that course out of your diary, because that's when you're gonna do it because you got the deadline, and that's when your brain's gonna kick in. So we we just flipped it, and that worked really well for us. It didn't feel chaotic to anybody else, it was chaotic. You worked with this, you know how how chaotic we were, but it worked because we kind of played into it.

SPEAKER_01

It's like you say you play into that strength, isn't it? You know that that's part of what you're you're doing. And and I've got it in, you know, in a few weeks, I'm gonna be delivering a speaker slot um in Wolverhampton. And I I know the deadline that they want all my slides for. So I'm like, right, okay, well, that's that's the deadline that they want my slides for.

SPEAKER_00

So two days before I have blocked out of nothing and have no client meetings, no anything, because that that is my deadline day of to get it done so that like I'm gonna put a caveat in there, and this is where your brain, you need to be very careful with your brain, because when you've put that deadline in, and then you've you've kind of blocked out the two days before, you're almost saying to your brain, well, this is my time scale to do this, and you're not kicking in that this is the deadline, you're kicking in the butt I'm preparing for this side of your brain, which it doesn't want to play. So when you get to it, your brain's blank and it's like, no, I can't do that. I need to procrastinate, I need to do a million other things. So you've got to be careful time blocking before you're just gonna kind of really subconsciously understand that you are not gonna do it until the last minute. So just kind of trying not to prepare or put too much structure because you just won't like it.

SPEAKER_01

But then also, like this weekend, I've had like real thoughts about what I want in that presentation that wasn't in it the last time I delivered it, or you know, and I've had some real thoughts, and I'm like, right, okay, so when I'm in my creative mode, I can actually create my slides for that and go like because I've got all these thoughts now in my head, and I've got these notes because you know, I mean, you you know what my desk is like for post-it notes. I love my post-it notes. Um, I've got all of these post-it notes that are just like, oh, I want to, and that leads into that thought, so I can talk about that in the presentation because I want it to be, you know, this is this well, I think it's gonna be brilliant because I've got all the thoughts at the moment that are buzzing around my head.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, and it's you know, there is nothing as well that I hang on, I lost my train of thought then. The thing is, we've said a lot, and there's been so many things that I've thought I want to talk about that, I want to talk about that because I'm in full ADHD brain mode today. So there's so much of what you said, and I'm gonna try and keep it on track, so I'm gonna keep quiet for a minute. What did you just say? No, presentation. Yeah, what was my point on the street?

SPEAKER_01

No. We're gonna try and get on.

SPEAKER_00

Well, actually, let's talk about kind of tips around it. So let's let's try and be productive in this and actually give people some support and help. When because there is nothing better for an ADHD, or there is yeah, there is nothing better for somebody with ADHD to rest or be at the gym or do something enjoyable to have a productive moment in your brain. It will always be when you're on holiday, when you're in the shower, when you're in the gym, all the places where you're not sat at your desk, that's when your best ideas are gonna come. So, what do you do then? Because I I quite often, well, until kind of the last couple of years, really, I was always that's all right, I'll remember that. That's a brilliant idea. I'll remember, I'll remember it, I'll remember it. I'm still trying to figure out what I was trying to remember five years ago. It just doesn't happen. So, what do you do? And you said, I'll remember that. I can't even remember the conversation five minutes ago. It's not gonna happen, is it? So, what do people, what do you do? I've tried to figure it out yet.

SPEAKER_01

No, I've tried so many different things. So, like I say, I post it notes. So I try and keep like again, ADHD, I've got a collection of notebooks. Each notebook is for a specific thing. So I've got a notebook that I take out networking to jot down who I meet and what they are all about. I've got a notebook for business ideas. So you know, husband and I are going on holiday in a few weeks, and I'm like, right, I've got to take the business ideas notebook with me because when I have those ideas, when I have those moments, I'll jot them down the business notebook. The trouble is the fact that when I come back, the business notebook goes gets closed and put on my desk and it sits there until the next wave of ideas come. And it's like at some point I need to actually get the notebook out and go through it. Um, you know, I've got a notebook. Yeah, yeah. That's that's that's the the secondary part of it. You know, I've got a notebook for like the training courses that I still go on, you know, because there's always something new to learn in business. So I've tried notebooks, I've I've got post it notes, I've done it before because I used to um when I used to commute to Um noting about an hour's drive for me, 45 minutes to an hour's drive for me, depending on traffic. Um, when I was working, I'd have suddenly ideas. Um, and I'd I'd like start up a video in my phone that I could just record my voice, you know, voice notes and things like that. And they're probably still in the dark recesses of my phone because you know you just don't pull them back out. So recording the ideas is not the issue, it's the going back and looking at them and following through and processing them that's that I've had the issue with.

SPEAKER_00

As you're saying that, right, because one of my top tips was going to be have your notes with you constantly on your phone. However, right now, bearing in mind at the beginning of January, I always go through my notes and I just delete them all. I just get rid of them because they blocked everything. Yeah. Um, I now have, so we are what, the 9th of February. I've got 251 notes. Wow. So I am exactly the same in the fact that I will always put my ideas in my notes on my phone. Yeah. But it's like going back to it is the issue. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

If anybody's got a hack to how we go back to it and actually follow through with those thoughts, because they're all really good thoughts, right?

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. You know, messages, put it in the Facebook group. Put it in the Facebook group. What's your hack to do to do that? Yes, put it in the Facebook group. What is your hack? Because yeah, it's just we we'd be multi-millionaires. This is how people do it. They actually implement their ideas.

unknown

This goes back to yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think we talked about it in the first episode when we first mentioned excited puppy. You know, when I when I worked for you and you come to to work on a Monday, or you go like over the weekend, I've got this idea. And I'd like, you should show me a photo of like your notes scrawled across your living room that you were just sat in the middle of it, like some kind of dragon hoarding treasure trove of ideas. But but it was all thought out, it was all thought-out plan. Uh, you know, and you've spoken to Paul, you've spoken to various people. Now we're gonna do this in the business, and it's like, okay, yeah, I'll get on board with that, I'll get on board with that. And then, like, what two days later it'd be oh, I've I've sat that I've scrapped that idea now.

SPEAKER_00

Because yeah, and actually I remember that, and I actually did physically put it in the bin because I looked back at it and thought that's crap. But you know, I've just remembered something that really does work for me really well, and I cottoned on to this probably when I started Blue Giraffe. Um and I think it makes sense because it's almost making sense of your thoughts. And I did this a lot in the Tower Tribe, where brain dumping for me is hugely effective.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I literally, and people will say, Well, how do you do it if the thoughts aren't there? And I'm like, just sit down with a piece of paper or some post-it notes or however visual you know you like things, do it in it whatever way you like, whether it's Trello, whether it's a huge piece of A3 paper, is A3 the big one? A1, A1.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you can get A0.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, big pieces of paper, um, and just sit and just write random words that come into your head. It doesn't matter what they are. And I find that if I can literally get really deep into a brain dumping session, and it's never failed me ever. Every single time I do a brain dumping session, my ideas will flow. And I always sit there initially thinking, where the hell do I start? But the second I write a word or a sentence, it starts to flow. And it doesn't matter how chaotic that brain dump gets, it can be all over the place, it can be really random, it can go in a million different directions. The more you do it, the more you will start to see sense of it. And then you will start a new one where you're starting to make sense of all the things that you've put in there and you'll categorize them and you'll put them into different areas. And that has never failed me. That is literally how I ran Blue Giraffe. Everything that came out of Blue Giraffe was due to a brain dump. That is, I identified that as one of my biggest strengths. That was one of my biggest tools to do sit and brain dump. So if you've never tried it, just sit with a circle in the middle of a page, write a word, any word, and just dump everything that comes into your brain. You'll scrap half of it, but the other half is gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you used to do that as like a service, didn't you? Because you know when you had the office above the shop, yeah, and you had like that massive whiteboard, and we just see these photos of like, oh, so-and-so came into the that you know, came in today and we did a brain dump session, and like you know, half of this whiteboard is yeah, okay, it's it's just random words on a whiteboard, but the rest of it is gold, and they're gonna take the business forward by doing this and that and the other. And and you know, I might not be explaining it very well for people who can't speak how much you and I are waving our hands at each other on a big corner.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, all over the place. Um, I I think as well that I mean, having you just made a really relevant point because I can do it on my own and I could do it really well, but when you've got somebody else to do it with you, that's incredibly powerful. So having somebody like when we used to get clients in and do it, I would literally just they start with a word and then I'd start. I was a coach as well. So, you know, we're both coaches, we draw information out of people. So we would start to ask questions that would then generate more questions and more ideas. And it it was literally, I used to, from a visual perspective, I used to say it was like Harry Potter with the wand. You remember the film, the one film where they pulled the memories out of the head? That's exactly how I used to describe brain dumping. I did, yeah, and you just put them in there, and then you'd kind of and that's that was our job, and we used to get incredible results from people, and everybody was skeptical coming in. How on earth are you going to get anything from a brain dump? But brain dumping is so powerful. But that leaks on to something else that I think is really powerful when you're ADHD in a business owner, and that is body doubling. Have you ever done body doubling?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, I love it. I tend to use it more for housework, I will be honest. I do it more for housework than than, but I also with my my business coaching group, which by the way, as a business owner, if you do not have a business coach, you are as nicely as possible, you are an idiot if you don't have a business coach or a coaching group.

SPEAKER_00

I know that's our 10 listeners gone.

SPEAKER_01

But no, it is because having a business coach, having somebody you can bounce those ideas off when they are finding.

SPEAKER_00

The right one, though, is really important.

SPEAKER_01

Finding the right one is important.

SPEAKER_00

But in fact, we will do a topic on that because we've both got experiences with business coaches. Let's do a topic on business coaches. Yeah, we'll add it to the trail. I'm gonna add it on my phone while we're talking, otherwise I'll forget.

SPEAKER_01

Because otherwise we'll forget that that note. Um until we listen to this episode again and go, Oh, yeah, we were gonna do that. Um, but yeah, so uh what we do on uh my coaching group is the fact that we have what we call a co-working space every uh every Monday where we sit on and we follow the Pomodora technique. So it's 25 minutes of solid working, five-minute break. Um, but we're doing it body doubling in a in a room, and you can tell the ones like there's the some of us that are on there, we're there every single week because this really works for us of that 25 minutes, hyper focus, pure like attention on. I'm gonna do this task and I'm gonna do it through to completion in 25 minutes, then I'm gonna have a break and have a coffee and a bit of a catch-up with the rest of the people in the group, and then we get and then we set a task for the next 25 minutes, and you know, we keep going for the entirety of Monday. Mondays are like my now my most productive day, just because I've got that body doubling. And every time I find my hand just sneak into my phone, just I'll go check Instagram or TikTok and just have a bit of a doom scroll for 30 seconds. I'm like, no, because there are other people who could possibly see me doing that, and oh my gosh, like, no, I've got to go back into it.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and just to explain body doubling, it doesn't like traditional body doubling, and when you said about housework and things, that it's used for housework. I know that if I can't get something done and I really need to do it, I will say to Paul, just sit on the bed, just sit on the bed and watch me while I do it. And it seems really a weird concept, but it works because you've got that somebody watch it's almost it's the judgment piece that comes in with ADHD and the RSD and all of that, but you've got somebody there watching you, so it just makes you do it, and it's the same, which is why we did the accountability sessions or the um um co-working sessions in the tower tribe as well, because when you've got you don't have to have somebody watching you or telling you to do something, there is no, they're not there to give you instructions. It is literally that kind of almost fear of letting that person down by not doing it. So just having somebody on a if if you're not in a coaching group or you don't have that facility available, or you haven't got a co-working space close to you, then just ask another business associate, somebody you know really well, to just jump on a Zoom or a Teams call with you, maybe an hour a week, so you can just get through those eat the frog for breakfast tasks, the one things that you things you hate doing, and get them done through that. It's really powerful. I love body doubling in all aspects of my life.

SPEAKER_01

And look, it doesn't it sometimes it doesn't even have to be a Zoom or a Teams call because I you know I've again going back to the housework one, I've done it with my sister-in-law, and I know Katie does listen to this, so hi Katie. Um but yes, I've I've done it with my sister-in-law, and it's like she'll she'll message me and she's like, What are you up to? And I'm like, sat on the sofa. I really ought to be doing the washing up or doing a load of washing or something. And she's like, Yeah, I also need to clean my kitchen. Should we jump? And we literally just phone each other, and we can be completely silent on that phone call. We don't actually have to have a conversation, but just because just knowing that somebody is there is that encouragement, is that you know, you know, you get through it.

SPEAKER_00

So, yeah, I highly recommend it if you if you believe you that you are neurodiverse and on the ADHD spectrum, um, you know, finding that co-working space or or that person that you can just gonna say, right, from from somebody who now specializes in this topic, there is two things you just did critically wrong. Oh, all right then. All right, get with my language wrong. I'm tired, I'm tired. So I know you know, as you've said because of anybody who's listened in, and you know, anybody, excuse me, who might be particularly sensitive to this, what Flick meant was neurodivergent, not neurodiverse, and also none of us are on the spectrum if you believe you are ADHD.

SPEAKER_01

I always say neurodivergent. Did I did I seriously say neurodiverse?

SPEAKER_00

You did, it's tired.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, yeah, I'm tired. It was Super Bowl last night, leave me alone.

SPEAKER_00

You did stay up and watch the Super Bowl, and then you had an onboarding question this morning. So you're doing pretty well.

SPEAKER_01

I'm doing well.

SPEAKER_00

And then you got me with my excited puppy brain today. So I think you're doing exceptionally well today.

SPEAKER_01

I'm stringing words together, hopefully in full sentences. I have noticed that listening back to the uh podcast, just going just going off topic again. Is the fact that I'm like, sometimes I I just sort of want to scream at myself. I'm like, Well, you talk in full sentences, but it's because the next thought comes before I finish that sentence.

SPEAKER_00

Or because I've interrupted you, which I also notice happens a lot.

SPEAKER_01

We do, we jump, we jump over each other. I think that's why Rob described us as squirrels, just excited squirrels. There's we are gotta talk.

SPEAKER_00

So there's a couple of like top tips, really brain dumping, um, body doubling. They're both really effective, but the caveat there is they're effective for us. And it's the one thing you need to accept if you are neurodivergent or you suspect you're neurodivergent, and bear in mind you don't have to have a diagnosis. I really hate anybody that you know says that you've got to have a diagnosis that you don't. If you're living and breathing those experiences, then you are okay to clash yourself as having a neurodivergent condition. It is completely acceptable. Um, but the one thing you have to realize as somebody living with those experiences is what works for one will not work for somebody else. And we've just kind of said it, we're both, you know, my primary is ADHD. I know there is some autism thrown in there and potentially some dyspraxia. However, you and I both ADHD will work very differently because no two brains are the same. So just because you have the same diagnosis doesn't mean or the same, you know, thought condition doesn't mean that you'll work the same way. So you have to. I'm writing a toolkit at the minute because and and it's gonna have so much stuff in it because what's good for one won't work for somebody else. Yeah, but experiment. Just experiment with it.

SPEAKER_01

What's good for the goose is not always good for the gander?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely. Experiment more animals, and then you can flip it all around, really, with all the kind of positive things. We are really creative, we're really good at hyper focus, our intuition is bang on. We are always right with our intuition, our gut feeling, and there is actually a scientific thing around gut feeling. If your gut feeling is telling you notice something, then then just don't do it. Trust it. Your gut feeling absolutely trust your gut, it's actually scientific, it's not just a saying. So, you know, and we're really good in a crisis, for example. ADHD is our brilliant in a crisis. Tip a glass of water over and the world is going to end. But my god, if there is a crisis, we are the ones to have in the room. But there are downsides to it as well. So let's just like we we kind of like we we talked a lot today, but let's just kind of let's just touch on the the crappy bits a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Go on, go on. Well, what would you say is the the bit that you struggle with or the the crappy bits of being ADHD?

SPEAKER_00

I think for me it is the need for things that I can't achieve. Like I really need order in my life to be productive in my business or my job or anything I'm doing. I need things to be clutter-free, I need organization, I need the planner that's gonna change my life. I need all of those things. Like, for example, in my bag, I have a brand new planner that I deliberately bought because it's got it's quite flexible in how I do it. I haven't even looked at it and it was definitely going to change my life. I need things like my house needs to be clean and tidy, it needs to be clutter-free, but I cannot achieve that unless I've got Bud Body Dublin or unless I get to the point where I'm so overwhelmed by it that I can't cope anymore unless I do something about it. And so that for me is a massive struggle because to be productive, my brain needs to be clear. And for my brain to be clear, everything around me needs to be clear. Yeah, but I can't achieve that. I find that really difficult to achieve. So I've kind of got to accept it and find ways around it, you know, or do things like my husband walked out of the kitchen the other night, and I it was the day I got my HRT medication. Okay, so I was very excited about this, and I've got like um a tub on my fridge where I keep my daily medications and my weekly medications, and I had my HRT patches and I got six months' worth. So there's too many to put in this little tub, and it I got frustrated. So my husband came in the kitchen half an hour later and just looked at me and he went, You you went all ADHD, didn't you? And I said, Yeah, and he went, Are you actually gonna complete this? And I said, No, you're gonna complete this. So I'm gonna create the mess where I needed to get all of my medications out that we've had for the last six years, and you know, bing things and chuck things in different baskets and get it all organized, but I couldn't actually achieve the end result. So somebody else had to step in and do that for me. That's my biggest frustration, I think. And rejection, sensitivity, dysphoria. I definitely have a little bit of that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, by the boatloads. I think for me as well, is that one of the things that I struggle with is that each task for me, there's like my brain break breaks it down into like 17 tasks, so suddenly I've then become overwhelmed.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So like I was chatting to my husband yesterday because he he he's getting better at um, you know, he's recognising when I'm in that kind of ADHD paralysis as it's often referred to.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And he's like, right, okay, what's what's in the brain? Or he won't say, you know, or help me with the housework. He'll go, right, we've got, we've got doing the washing up, loading the the you know, doing a load of washing, we've got the vacuuming to do, and we've got uh the dusting or something else to do. And he'll say, which of the you know, we'll we'll divide and conquer. You pick the tasks that you your brain will allow you to do, and I'll do the other ones because he's you know, he's wonderful at that. So um, like yesterday, I literally said, Okay, I'll do the vacuuming as one of the tasks that I picked out of the options that he gave, I'll do the vacuuming. And I got to a certain point in the in the vacuuming process, and uh Rob turned around and he was like, Well, why are you stopping? And I was like, Because I'm overwhelmed, it's so many tasks. And he's like, No, it's not, it's just the vacuuming. And I was like, No, it wasn't. It's because I've got to pick up the things that are on the floor, if I'm tidying, you know, I'm tidying up, I'll hold something and go, I don't know what to do with this. Then I find myself putting it down and then berating myself because I've put it down, and I'm like, no, that doesn't go there. I need to find a home for it. So now I'm trying to find a home for that, and then getting the vacuum out, and I because of how the the vacuum cord wraps around itself and stuff like that. I'm like, right, now I've got to wrestle with that to untangle it, to plug it in, to wheel the vacuum over there, to run the vacuum around, to then put the things back, so like I have a blanket over the end of the sofa because I often again temperature regulation didn't realise that was an ADHD thing. Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely so I you know put a blanket over the end of the sofa, so I pick that up to do the vacuuming. So I've got to put so I've got to put all the stuff back, then I've got to wheel the vacuum around to the front door to then put shoes on to go out to the bins to empty the vacuum, then come back in, reassemble the vacuum, turn it up, cut all my hair because like my hair is waist length, it is very long hair, so it gets wrapped around the vacuum and and cut all of that up. And I'm like, this is now like you know, and Rob stood there and he's like, but it's just vacuuming, yeah. That's all the task. And I was like, no, because I've got all of these other things that I've got to do that my brain is screaming at me, you know, like this is seven tasks. And he's like, but it's one task, and and I have that in business as well. It's like, you know, writing a blog. Writing a blog is one task as a business owner, or writing a newsletter, or whatever else. It isn't no, it's not because I've got to do the research, I've got to find the topic to talk about, you know, analyse my views compared to you know other people's views, you know, then write the thing, then reread it, then edit it, then oh, and editing, rereading your own words sometimes. I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_00

It's I find it, and and I struggle with that a little bit once I've written something. I I massively struggle actually when I've written something to if somebody then needs something doing to it, it's like I I can't, I can't go back and read it. I can't go back and do it, I can't. My brain has stopped, you know, thinking it's done. Yeah, and I I that is something I really struggle with. But you've just highlighted a key difference actually between ADHD is because for me, that one task, I completely agree that it's got to be broken down into loads of tasks, but that helps me. So the fact that everything clutter has got to be cleared first, that's job one. Then I've got to do something else, that's job two, and that's fine. But the problem is by the time I get to job four or five on this one task, I'm emotionally and mentally exhausted, and that's where the freeze comes in. Yeah. Um, but I do it for breaking it down into tiny tasks is something that really helps me. Whereas with you, it's massively overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was just, I mean, even it was because I, you know, Rob said vacuum the living room. So I vacuum the living room. And he's like, Well, why don't you do the kitchen and hallway now? And I'm like, because that's another task. Like, yeah, you asked me to vacuum the living room. I vacuum the living room, and I've picked up all the things, and I'm like, and I've done all of these. And he's like, But that's just vacuuming. That's the job. That's that's the thing. And I'm like, Yeah, but that's like saying my job is just posting on social media, and like it's not like there are all these components to it.

SPEAKER_00

Um we haven't even talked about the narrator in the head. Have you got the narrator?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, oh my god, yes, yeah, just one, hang on, no, there's somebody singing in the background. This yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know what though people talk, you know, about the narrator in your head, and they say, God, I just uh it would be I didn't actually know until last year that not everybody has it. That fascinated me.

SPEAKER_01

I'll say to Robby, what are you thinking about? And he's like, nothing. And I'm like, no, no, but what are you actually thinking about? Yeah, and he says, No, there's nothing. And I'm like, but but what noises in the what noises in your head? And he says, nothing, the silence. He doesn't see images in his head, so he has I can't remember what that one's called, but yeah, some people see images, some people don't. Yeah, um, I see images, I you know, I my life is like watching a film inside my head, or like reading a book is like watching a film inside my head. Um, and he'll just say, I'm thinking of nothing. Whereas when I'm saying I'm thinking of nothing, because he asks me what I'm thinking about, and I'll go, nothing. And he's like, No, no, come on. Now he understands, and he goes, Okay, what does your nothing actually mean? And I'm like, What I mean is I'm thinking of nothing of importance because my brain is just conversation is going on. Yeah, yeah. That brain dump has just followed a trail and and gone off down the woods, you know, to a different path. And it's like, I've no idea what started this thought in the first place because I didn't write it down. I didn't, and he's like, Well, how? How do you how do you cope with that? And I was like, I don't know if you've noticed sometimes. I'm not coping.

SPEAKER_00

I just didn't and that that is half the time what causes the overwhelm because it is the that there is so much going on. I had the same conversation with Paul, and we were laughing our heads off because it was like, How can you be thinking of nothing? You're bringing and you're really intelligent. So, how is that? That doesn't make sense to me. How can you not be thinking of anything? Like there's just this like grey fog there. What is it? I don't understand. Whereas I'm like, and I make sense of life through the conversations I have in my head, and I have a go at myself constantly, and then I'll also cheer myself on constantly, and you know, my conversations in my head, but you have people who who are really kind of they find it really overwhelming and distressing, they want to calm those voices down, and that terrifies me because I've lived with them for nearly 47 years. It's like I it would be like losing a huge part of me. I can't bear the idea of calming those voices down now. I'm so used to it, but I will sit there and Paul say to me, What did you just decide in your head? And I'm like, What do you mean? And he went, I watched you, I watched the process you just went through. And it's also why I get called out on Teams calls and Zoom calls where people say, I was on a conference a couple of months ago, it was a newer diversity conference, and we went into breakout rooms, and they would it was leaders of. I went in there from a training perspective, and that where there's two leaders who are having a full discussion about how they deal with the neurodivergent staff members, and I just sat quietly for a minute, and you know, and then at one point he turned around and he said, Varese, do you want to input? Because your face is telling a story of somebody who completely disagrees. And I was having a full-blown argument in my head going, You can't do that. That's not how to deal with it. And apparently my face tells a picture, so I can't get away with it.

SPEAKER_01

I left the subtitles on is the fact that my face is just yeah, it's it's portraying this one. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

You you cannot ever take me as being false or two-faced because I'm just not capable. I have to say it as it is. My autism side says, I'm going to say it as it is. The social injustice of everything is I'm going to tell you when you're wrong. I will listen if you know there's another perspective, but I will say things if they're wrong. And I cannot hide, I can't pretend anything because my face will tell you exactly what I'm thinking every time. And I don't know if that's a strength or a negative, really, but it's me. Unapologetically.

SPEAKER_01

Unapologetically, you but yeah, it's it's I've done what I thought that was. That that went sideways. I started the sentence with it's no idea where that thought was going. I do apologize, but no, I don't apologize. No, I'm not. No, I don't apologize.

SPEAKER_00

Unapologetic. I think though, if I'm honest, right, and I feel like I've I've kind of taken over this conversation a little bit today. So I'm really sorry if I've been full on, if I am in full ADHD brain.

SPEAKER_01

But I think we should probably you're not sorry the fact that you've taken it on.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not sorry. No, I'm not. I'm not. Absolutely, oh my god, how many apologies today? Oh, so many, so many.

SPEAKER_01

I think we should probably kind of like that's because we've been taught so many times to mask. Yeah, we are and to, you know, when we do allow the the ADHD or the autism side of us to show, and people go, Oh, oh, that's that's abrasive. So we apologize for it. And it's like, well, no, no, this is this is what it's like inside my head. I'm gonna ask you, have you ever tried to meditate? Because I have I've done yoga and and the meditation part of yoga, and I'm like, I I had to genuinely like force my brain to go, think of nothing, think of nothing, think of nothing. I'm thinking of something by thinking of nothing. How do I think of nothing? I can't think of nothing. Maybe I should do the dishes later, and maybe my brain will switch off when I'm doing the dishes or when I've got music on, or this plinky plonking, and I'm just extremely.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I'm gonna tell you how I solved that problem. Okay, because about a year ago, obviously, the listeners won't know, but a year and a half ago, my life completely changed. Things happened that were just devastating, and I changed a lot of things. I changed as a person. And one of the things I've always been kind of a believer in the universe, and you know, I'm surrounded by crystals, and I've always kind of but I've never really lived and breathed it. I've always said I believe in it, but I've never really lived and breathed it. And then life happened, and I was kind of forced into a situation where I felt that I needed drastic change, and so I kind of went full on into the whole meditation, calming. Obviously, my qualification is around the nervous system and fight, flight, freeze, born, how we deal with all of that. So I went out and you know, in my full ADHD excitement, I bought this massive meditation pillow. It is incredible, it's a brilliant beanbag. We use it for film nights and all sorts now. And I sat and I thought, yeah, I'm gonna um I'm gonna meditate every morning. I'm gonna sit. And then I discovered that meditation is like an absolute no-go for all the reasons you just said, it's just impossible. However, what I have discovered is sound baths are amazing. They for the first half an hour, I can't get into it. I'm like sitting there doing exactly what you just said, and thinking about all the things that I shouldn't be thinking about, thinking stop thinking, stop thinking, can't you just like switch off? But then something happens with the sounds, and I do. It's the only time I actually managed to do it. And then there's other things I do as well, which isn't meditation, but this would be really good tips for anybody. Go and find the things you love that I always knew that I loved things, but didn't know why. So one of the things for me was the beach. I always had a real connection to the beach. It was why when I lived in England, I had to come back to Wales. I needed to be close to the beach, and it was only last year that I discovered that when I'm on the beach, I switch off. My brain goes quiet because I concentrate on the crashing waves, the smells, everything around me. So that is like my version of meditation. It is a place where I can go and my brain just goes quiet. And we noticed it last year, and other things like um I will go to immersive experiences. Any opportunity, any opportunity I get, I will go and find an immersive experience because light shows, anything to do with figures and shapes and lights or anything. When I went to Amsterdam, we went to the um Van Gogh Museum and they did like an immersive show, and I just couldn't move. I was totally immobilized and totally fascinated, and my brain was just quiet. So I now look for as much as I love the voice of my head, I also need the peace sometimes. So I look for things that I know are gonna bring me that piece. And I know things like the beach, immersive experiences, the theater is something else. I go to the theater and I completely immerse myself in that show. So my brain switches off. Books reading for me is really big. I I go into that world completely. I know people talk about it, but when you're ADHD and you go into that world, it's another level. It's hard to come out when you finish the book, it's devastating because you've been so kind of into that book and into that world.

SPEAKER_01

A full heartbreak, even if the book wasn't a heartbreak book.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it is like you feel like you've just lost something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, it's part of my soul that I've just closed within those pages, and it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But those are the things that kind of I found quiet my brain. So I can't meditate because it's specific and I'm told to do it, and my brain can't go with that, but I can find things where my brain is quiet. So if I'm overwhelmed, if I'm stressed, if I'm upset, I will go to the unfortunate because I live by the beach. So I will go to the beach in all weathers and I will just sit and I will just listen to the waves, and or I will go and find something on YouTube that's an immersive experience, which isn't great, it's better when you're actually in it. But there are things that you can watch. I get, you know, ASMR videos, things like that. I get really kind of pulled into them quite easily because and it is because there's certain sounds that you can listen to, certain songs that you can listen to. That anyway, I literally we are going on and on and on, and I'm going on and on and on, and this is going to be a good idea.

SPEAKER_01

Well, no, because I I often describe, you know, when I when I do talk about meditation, like a lot of people, you know, don't understand why I have such an affinity for art training. It's not just because I it's a sport that I enjoy, but actually, in that moment, nothing else matters other than this the shape and um physicality of my body to make that arrow go to that target. And I there is nothing going on in my head, like everything fades away, and all that matters is my body and that arrow and that bow. And it just and that's those moments of silence just before I let go of that string and and the arrow flies, it's just pure bliss for me because there's nothing that is where and I'm gonna get it completely.

SPEAKER_00

I would say on that note, then that my Wednesday Wild Words of Wisdom, I really do it. It was like Wednesday Wild Words of Wisdom Words of Wisdom would be, especially as a business owner who is struggling with newer divergent traits, find the things that switch your brain off. Find the little things that just help you to calm. Because part of being successful in business is being able to regulate your nervous system. And even being trained in that, I struggle, you know, and and I literally do it day in, day out. I practice it, but I still struggle. Find the things that really you know, things that you currently enjoy. Ask yourself, do you enjoy them because it's a nice thing to do, or are you enjoying them because it is literally that thing that calms your nervous system down? Because if you really want to grow in business, your nervous system needs to be regulated as much as possible. And when you're newer to virgin, it's 10 times harder to do that. So there is my Wednesday wild words of wisdom.

SPEAKER_01

And and just to echo that, like you'll have noticed the fact that when you've listened to this episode, because I've noticed it in you, and I don't and I feel it in myself, that as soon as Varity and I started talking about the things that calm our brain down, our energy and uh we have just suddenly brought it down. And I I don't know about you, but I certainly feel more calmer just talking about that moment in archery, you talking about the beach, you know, the things that work for you. We have like we're still we're still really excited about this podcast episode. And it's not but we've just gone into a more regulated state, yeah. Yeah, and it's um you know I've I've watched it with you in a video, and obviously, our listeners will hear it in our voices. The fact that we have just brought ourselves so much down, and that's that's the beauty of finding the right thing for you. So, yeah, I would I would echo your your wild words of wisdom for this Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00

Wednesday, wild words of wisdom. I've got it, Flick. I've got it. This is gonna be our longest episode yet. Yeah, it is gonna be the long, I think it's about 50 minutes, maybe an hour. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Oh I I had to stop myself and I nearly went to apologize for how long this episode has been. But no, no, it's it's been a good episode.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So we will see you all on the next one, folks. And uh, Facebook group. Yeah, come and find our Facebook group and come and talk to us about how you found this episode. And we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_00

See you next time. Take care, bye. Thanks for spending this time with us on Wildly Intentional. If this podcast sparks something for you, take it with you and act on it. Don't forget to subscribe, share, and come and say hello online.

SPEAKER_01

And remember, bold talk leads to big breakthroughs with no apologies.