Happily Ever BAFTA

The Crew discusses the Michael B. Jordan BAFTA incident, How far with 50 cents Beefs go, Trump dropping bombs and so much more !!

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:19

That's what she named the podcast, workplace bullying. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Everything Under the Sun podcast, episode 25. Renee with the flyest and smartest crew in the town. I go by the name of Rocky B, only female in my crew, and I kick shit. All right. To my right, which would be y'all left, uh, this nigga. This nigga, BG. The biggest pain in my yeah.

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It is so hard to describe greatness, so I understand her inability to do so. This is exactly what I'm talking about. All right. Definitely understand this.

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And to my left, Tinderoni Tony. You better believe it. The richest man. Yellows them sugar.

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Better believe it.

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Because I seen, in fact, when I was downtown today, I seen a BMW and the license tag says Sim Simma. I thought it was forgotten to say Sim Simmer. Never change that shit. That shit's so fire. It's a white BMW. Oh my god.

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Downtown Rochester.

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How y'all doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Everything's been good. Enjoying that good red bean. Feeling like the uh feeling like the winner's putting out this last few last few kicks. Yeah. Going out fighting, going out swinging. Yeah. But yeah, other than that, everything's been great.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

You said the winter?

SPEAKER_02 1:40

The winter, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

Like it's about to be like 70 to 30. 73 next Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Please, man, don't nobody die. Please.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah. My guy. Sabad drama-free weekend next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Just wear shorts.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Don't get your life cut short. Yeah. What is it about heat or hot weather that makes the violence just skyrocket?

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Well, I think it's because, like, man, you gotta think. When it's cold outside, you got beef. I just say, I got beef with bear, and they say, yo, bear cross town. It might be too cold to get my gun. Like, man, you know, guns is metal. That metal cold is like, you know what? It's too cold to kill that nigga today.

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Ooh, the soon as it hits 65, 60.

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Glock can fit my shorts.

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The minute it hit 65, that's I'm gonna get that nigga. This is the only time.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Like with any, like with any activity, right? Like think. If it's 7580 outside and your homegirl tits, you man the um the barbecue, you're gonna bike your open. Okay, cool. Yeah. You might open up that backyard. If it's 41, you're gonna bite, you know what, we can just buy some barbecue.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

No, but here in this town, like we we used to this cold weather. Like, that's not gonna stop us from doing nothing, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

You know what though? I have been, I've always been on that train. I'm from Rochester. You know what I'm saying? Like this cold, nah, man. That shit been like two or three weeks ago. I don't think it's ever been that cold for that long.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Yeah.

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Like, man, it was like zero for like three weeks in a row.

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This winter been kicking our ass.

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You know, I work overnight, so I'm moving outside, and it's minus six, minus seven, minus. I'm like, god damn, I didn't know we could, I didn't know the thermometer could go negative. I thought zero was zero. It got an extra kick. It's cold with an extra kick. I say, damn.

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But when it gets nice, all of a sudden, that shit scares the shit out of me. I don't get excited. I'm like, oh, this nice weather in the middle of the winter time, something about to happen. I always feel like some shit is like that's a calm before the fucking storm, and we about to get something.

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Something something's coming.

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Something we feel like something is gonna be out there doing some shit here.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

I mean I think the global warming stopped fucking working this year. We was having sneakers. We was having something to determine the global warming up.

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Eight to ten, I think it was like eight to ten years of uh decent half you know, half-ass winners. This week, it was Trump, man. Trump got that button in his bump.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Like, no, the Rochester niggas need to freeze.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

They're on to us. We gotta, yeah, we gotta do that. Too much killing.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah, let me freeze these.

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Speaking of Trump, uh uh, it looked like Trump just set some shit off.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

Okay, where the fuck did all of this start happening? Like, I'm like, it's so funny because I'm getting ready, and like, you know, my son's father's picking up our son, and I'm putting my makeup on, and he was like, yo, we just bond there in and you getting ready to go out. And I'm like, really? What we what we doing over there? Like, Friday. What the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Was it Friday? I think it was.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

People don't know what the fuck is going on for real.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Listen, it's it's well, you know, it's about what six, seven hundred million phones out there. So these cats, I'm with, I'm watching on online just like everybody else. And these cats are actually filming the bombs hitting their city. I think there's one clip where um uh MX-55 or some, whatever kind of missile was, hits hit from like 100 to 200 yards away from where people was at. Yeah I'm like, God, damn, man, it's crazy. Where did this start from, though?

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Where did it stem from? Yeah, all I thought about was yo, at 235 in the morning, motherfuckers coming from the club drunk and he's starting wars. Yeah, at 235 in the fucking morning. And it's like those people with the phones, all I'm thinking is, yo, this generation is really doomed. Motherfuckers are dropping missiles on your crib and you got your phone out.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Like trying to record everything. Well, I mean, like, I I get it to an extent because it's a real way to get the information out there, because you know, what else, what other resources they got. But me being old school, the last thing I'm thinking about is grabbing my motherfucking phone. Like if it say a bomb. If you see or hear, I mean, like you literally could see the bomb headed towards them. Yeah, and they and they one cat caught it all the way down. I say, God damn.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Like, yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna lie, man. That bomb dropped so sloppy. Like, I mean, you think a bomb's dropping straight down, that's just flipping and flopping, spiraling, that shit backflipping. This is not funny.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

But I don't want to say, why is he bombing? Like, do we know why?

SPEAKER_01 5:51

I didn't even check the reason.

SPEAKER_03 5:53

We don't even know why.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

I know.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

It wasn't a big announcement, like, hey, you guys are going to war.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Like, honestly, man, I think it's really gonna be like, yo, but we dropped the biggest bomb ever. It was in it was big, it was the biggest. Because no, but it went from killing like the cartel ever.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

I was I was confused because it went from killing like the cartel leader to like bombing kidnapping the president.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Well, not kidnapping, taking the president, taking the president, uh, Venezuelan president.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Venezuela, yeah. Then killing the cartel leader. The bombing iron. Like, what this like this government is dyslexic as fuck. Like, we all over the place because I don't understand how does this lead what how are these all these things connecting?

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Like, what's going on? We are living in a fucking simulation. Like, like, you're like, it's this movie, Rock, that you I know you haven't seen because it wouldn't be a thing, but you it came out like 15 years ago. It's called Idiocracy. Oh, I know that fucking movie. No, I'm not I don't know that shit. I don't know that shit. Terry Cruz is the president, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Oh god. Yo, yo, which Terry Cruz not?

SPEAKER_01 6:54

Yeah, popular kind of yeah, he's the president. Oh, yeah, yeah, he's the president. Yo, it's crazy, man. So, like, so like they got rid of water. So, like, all of the false is poor Gatorade shit. Like, the country is literally ran by idiocracy. That's literally what's happened there. Yeah, we are definitely we are in a real life idiocracy.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

And it's funny because you'll when they do interviews with people who voted for Trump, they all backpedal. 90% of them backpedal when they talk about his views, things that he's done so far, and how he's been like, oh, like uh they just showed a clip of the men's hockey team that's getting invited to the White House. Right. And he made an off joke about, yeah, but um, um since I'm inviting you guys, I have to invite the women's team, like disparaging the women's hockey team and their accomplishments. And the while the guy's hockey team laughed, they all said, oh, like, you know, he shot he took a shot at him. And so one of the spokes uh people for the women's hockey team was talking about how disrespectful it was and not being acknowledged for their accomplishments. And I'm like, that's coming from the the president, you know, the the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, and he's disparaging the hard work these ladies put in. It's it's it's it's incredible, man.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

He don't care, no hockey. You don't give Trump don't give two fucked. Like no hockey team won. He had an AI video of him playing hockey in a fucking suit. And he scores and wins the gold medal with the team. Like, son is a chance.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

I'm the best hockey player in the world. Yes, it's true. I turned down multiple invitations to play for the men's team. Too busy running the country.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Yeah, this shit's a cartoon, man. No, this shit is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

And another thing, um, one another thing also caught my eye that just happened recently, too. Right. And I got a shout out to Michael B. Jordan and Del Ray Lindo, how they handled the situation at the BAFTA Awards. Uh, so I guess the gentleman in the crowd who's actually there was a film about Tourette Syndrome that was uh up being talked about. John Davidson. Yeah, uh the activist, activist John Davidson for Tourette Syndrome. While Michael B. Jordan and Del Ray Lindo were on stage, he yelled out some racial slurs. And one of the racial slurs happened to be the N-word. And you know, there's the the country's been split on how they handle the situation. Take an acknowledgement for uh understanding the disease and how it works, for uh the ticks that people who suffer from Tourette syndrome, and then you know, African Americans. They feel like well, damn, of all the words at all the times he chose to use, well not chose, that's probably wrong terminology, but that he ended up using, used one of the most offensive and impressive words with two established uh black actors on the stage. And some people have come to his defense, a lot of people have come to his defense, a lot of people have uh admonished uh admonished him for using the words. But my biggest thing was I blame the BAFTA awards. I believe regardless of what happened, there's no reason why that should have sought a light of air. That should have been edited out. There's no reason why that should even we should that's something that you see on the trades and publications, but that's nothing we should have witnessed or heard. They had more than enough time, and I like I said, I think that's I think it's extremely different disrespectful. And it happened during Black History Month. Like, regardless of, I'm not even including John Davidson in regards to whatever happened, because I don't understand enough about Tourette's syndrome to uh to blame him or even have that conversation. But to have to have it air and to show the the embarrassment look that they had to encounter and what they had to deal with, that's just extremely disrespectful on their part. And I heard I'm not sure if it's true or not, I heard the the chairman of the BAFTA wards resigned behind it too. I'm not sure if that's true or not. I don't know if you put pressure, but yeah, like uh Jamie and people got on Jamie Foxx because he had tweeted out that it was unacceptable what happened and everything like that. But I'm saying, like, that's something they control, you know, of all things. And for you to allow that to see the light of air, regardless of the reasoning behind it, I think is super disrespectful and it's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Yeah. Um got a split on it. Like, man, at first I'm like, nah, fuck that. You know what I'm saying? Racism is racism, man. But then after seeing some things that like, like, like, it was a whole system, like, man, before the awards, like, everybody was told, like, the guy has ticks, he's gonna do this, that, and the third. They literally sat him, even though he was nominated, man, for like some of the biggest awards, they sat him in the 43rd row. Um, and from what I understand, he had other instances, and all of those were edited out. The only one that ended up making a lie today was the one with both. That's exactly what it's when he said, nigga. Now my problem is this if you read up on Tourette's, it says, it takes the things in your brain that are the most offensive, and those are your ticks. The problem is, why is that in your brain? In the first place. Because they say it takes what's in your brain no matter what it is, and you blurt it out. But that means it has to be in your brain. Because Terence can't put something in your brain, it just takes what's there and proliferates it through your speech. So my thing is, why is that word there? And it's one thing that people don't really get. And I learned this working in mental health and with people that have developmental disabilities. I'm talking about I know people, I mean, like I work with people who are 40 and have the functioning brain capacity of a seven-year-old. They can't even wash their ass, but they'll get mad at you when I call you a nigger, huh? Like they know that word. And that's when you realize, like, this is an in-grain thing. So the biggest thing should be why is that in your brain to be blurry? Like, like, and so like they're like, oh, well, he said pedophile. Pedophile is a legal classification, that's not a group of people. You know what I'm saying? So, like, so like that was my thing about it.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

I said the same, it was from what I the limited knowledge I do have in regards to Tourette syndrome, I understand that the mechanism that prohibits you from saying those things is technically out of whack. I'm just using, you know, uh regular terminology. But it has to, like you said, it has to be there. That's a learned word. Yeah, that's that's that's a learned word. That's not something that's genetically encoded into your brain. That's a learned word. Now, for him to say the word, the first thing I say, well, shit, he must have thought it. And for him not to be able to think it, it led to him end up saying it, like him not being able to stop himself from saying it, he had to think it. Like, that's like me at the club, and I walked through fat ass, fat ass. Like booty, dog, big booty, big booty. Ever take nothing serious. It's a wig. I'm about to do nothing.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Okay, so I want to click, I want to break this down because I didn't I didn't watch this clip at the BAFTA. So, so uh white man was making a speech.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Yeah. No, no, no, he was in the crowd. He was in the crowd. He he he's he's a Tourette syndrome activist, yeah, and he was up for some awards at the BAFTA at the BAFTA awards. They um now before the the award ceremony, they they told everybody that he's here and he was making comments, blurting stuff out throughout the show. It wasn't like he that was the first one, yeah. And they sat him you know fired back enough to where he can enjoy the show, but you still heard him. Now, while uh Delroy Lindle and Michael B. Jordan presenting, he shouted that shit out. Like you can hear you can hear it. Yeah, like he's like they like Michael B. Jordan, Michael B. Jordan played it cool. Delroy Lindle, if looks could kill, he was like they was talking, he said you heard the word, but he got bleeped. He said, beep, Delroy Lindle said like damn. Michael B. Jordan was like, oh come on, man. Like he's cool and shit. Delroy Lindle looked like like laser locked into him laser-wise.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

So wait, people are actually people are defending this? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Oh, but they're saying that we need to, because this is the thing. They're saying that we need to understand Tourette's more. Yep. As opposed to, you know what? Sorry, black people, this guy called you all the niggas. It's it's you guys need to understand Tourette's more. That's what the narrative has been confirmed.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Okay, so uh if we understand Tourette's Tourette's is like what like stuff you're subconscious, like stuff that you suppress that you just blurt out.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

I don't know if it's so much suppressed. I think it's I think and like I said, uh don't quote me, but from the limit I've dealt with people who've had Tourette's syndrome, but not to the scale to where I've actually studied or reviewed it. I just things that I've came up in conversation. Basically, it it it prohib it prohibits them from stopping themselves, you know, from like okay, saying things that come to mind basically. There's no that that the the regulation that the mental regulation that it takes to stop you from saying things that come to mind is out there you blurt things out. And it's also I've seen people with severe Tourette's where it comes with movement, yeah, yeah, uh spasmatic muscle control, all kinds of stuff. So he I don't know if he suffers from that as much, but he definitely suffers from the the the verbal part of Tourette's. And like I like one of the things that I've said, those things have to be in you. Like there's a young lady that's on uh online now, a young, a young Caucasian lady that's online now. I don't, her name escapes me, who's popul, who suffers from Tourette syndrome, who's screamingly popular. She's actually seeing somebody, I don't know if they're in the process of getting married or anything like that, but she says a lot of hood sayings, a lot of uh uh uh hood colloquialisms and what have you, and she with her through her Tourette's. Like she'd be like, oh hell no, oh that's cap, cat, cat, cap, cap, like you know, stuff like that. Excuse me for imitating them. But just get so it has to be a part of you, it's in you, you know. So and I don't think they haven't recorded it or anything, but I've I've never heard her say anything like that. So to me, it further tends to lend to what people say that that has to be in you, or like like B said. It has to be that thought has to be in there.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Yes, so we're not we're not uh chucking it up to racism. We're not saying he's a racist. Some people are who knows how to do it. Some people are there.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

But um it seems pretty evident to me. Um, I learned by doing that some brief research is that from what they say, like 90% of people with Therese don't blurt out offensive things. Um there are two two like subdivisions, and they begin with a C. I don't know the words offhand. Um I read them, and like basically, like when they say, like a lot of the activists say, those few men that blurt out like vulgar obscenities, but those are the ones that they use to publicize to mech characterize the uh disease and everything. Like most of them, like nine out of ten of them don't yell out, fuck you. Like they yell out like this regular shit, like, oh my god, I bought a tree today. Shit like that. You know what I'm saying? God forgive me. I'm you know I'm laughing. Like I'm not making fun of it. I'm just making fun of Tourette's, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

But even with the the people who I've seen online who've shared their stories in regards to Tourette's syndrome, they make fun of it. They bring not make fun of it, but they bring they bring the humor into it because they understand how off-putting or awkward that the uh syndrome can be. Now, you like I said, there's varying there's various degrees of from what I've seen of the disease. Uh but the ones that I've seen online, like they live, they're living regular lives and everything. It's just you have to get used to it. And they even their friends and family members, they crack up laughing at them too. Like if the situation is like awkward enough and it occurs, they laugh, they laugh at it too. So that's why I think from what we know of Tourette's syndrome or what's been publicized, that's why I think this situation is so off-putting because they like of all the things. Even on Charlemagne the God, he went in on the BAFTA awards. He's like, yo, he said, y'all, he said y'all did that on purpose. Yes. Y'all allowed that to be publicized, y'all allowed it to be shown and on purpose, and it's disrespectful. Like he went in on them. Yeah, he went in on them. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

As I said, like, like, like um and gain more knowledge on it, it's like apparently he had like 15 instances during the show. The only one that didn't get edited out was that one. That one. That's crazy. Yeah, that's one of those things, you know. Yeah, that's yeah, that shit ain't that make it look woggy. But um, that should be definitely people yelling out what the fuck they want. Um TI50 shit situation. Speaking of people yelling out, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Like, um I mean speaking of somebody who don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

I'm gonna start yelling out shit.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Um, women men with to rest will be terrible.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

You said you you said you're gonna you're gonna take your medication before we left the house. No, man, you'll be on the board. You doing that on purpose now. I didn't to rest, bitch. You just being nasty now. Now you just being nasty.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

You know what? You being nasty, bitch.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Oh, you know what? One thing we had shout out to Mo Jackson. I missed him. Yeah, we forgot all the bad like. Shout out to Mo Jackson, he couldn't make it with us here today. Um the Hills 902 Munmo. Yeah, he had some uh personal situations he had to deal with. Yeah, wish you the best, brother. Pray for your strength and see you soon, man.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

We miss you.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

But uh, like I said, back to this T.I. 50 cent situation. Okay, what's your take on it?

SPEAKER_03 20:18

I need to know I need a breakdown because all I've been seeing is this tracks. All right. So I need a breakdown of how this demon fucking starts. I know 50 Cent is like super troll. Like, that's my big cousin. You feel me? So, like, I need a breakdown of how this started and why is he after T.I.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Like all right, so what happened was this? Yeah, I need a lot of people. I be on promo mode. I don't mean listening. He was asked about man of versus me, you know, in the song battle. Yes, he was asked about a versus on the radio, and they was like, Who do you think could be good? And he like, shit. Like, man, I'm shooting for the top, like, shit, nigga, get me 50 cents. And so he like, yeah, like nigga trying to be too a versus. Like, that didn't have nothing to do with shit. Okay. Yeah, I know, it doesn't sound ridiculous. Yeah. So he posts his wife. So then after that, that's when you have T.I. making a diss track, you have his children making a distract. And her children, it's so bad, even the kids that ain't hers tracks. Uh so like basically that's what it is. And like they just, you know what I'm saying, like it's on 50 eyes, and it's I mean, it's like T.I.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

said he would do a versus against 50. 50. Yeah, he said he was willing to do that.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

And he got offended by that.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

Yeah, and fucking posted his wife. It posted his wife, like that horrible picture with her.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

He'd been posting all the families and all that. And then on added rink, another wrinkle to it. Uh, Beyonce's mom came to uh T.I.'s wife's defense, and then 50 posted made a um uh post about Beyonce's mom.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Oh deleted that shit, man. Yeah, I need another drink. He got one of them calls, man. Oh, he deleted it. Yeah, yeah, when he supposed to be a Beyonce mom. That's it. Like 15 minutes later, that shit was gone. Yeah, he was like, Yeah, you can. And then you got one of them calls, one of them, like, all right, you're playing too much.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Alright, you're doing too much, Pimp.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yeah, no, man. Because you know, like, like me, when people is at a certain level, it's different. Cause like man, people like, oh, Jay-Z didn't call him no. It's people that make decisions that they may know how to do that.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Because when you do that type of big, it's different. Because, like, for example, Stars is owned by Paramount. No, I'm sorry, Lions Gate. The only thing, man, Beyonce may make calls say, yo, this next tour I'm about to do, I want to give y'all exclusive streaming rights. But you gotta shut down every show y'all got with 50 cents. They do that shit in a heartbeat. Yeah. They do that shit in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Same thing when a situation occurred uh back in the day with Charlemagne the Guy when he was with the previous radio station before the one uh he's with now. Uh he had Beanie Seagull on. And Beanie Siegel came on talking about Jay. And the radio station, they fired him because they said, yo, we that interview is damaging to any future business that we might do with Jay Z. Jay-Z didn't make a call. The radio station said, nah. Like we so you out of here. Then we don't even want him thinking that we had anything to do with this interview where Beanie was bashing Jay. So that's why he lost memory. Because you remember when Jay came to the Breakfast Club, first thing uh uh MV said was you ain't gonna get Charlemagne fired this time, did you? Like he's like, nah, you know, like trying to laugh it off. Yeah, yeah. But he ain't had nothing to do. He's like, yo, he said, yo, you interviewing my ops, then I ain't fucking with y'all. You know, and they like, we rather lose this relationship with Beanie Seagull than we lose this relationship with Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Like the 50 TI thing, it's more of a like, like, I mean, T.I. son going crazy. Like he he making shirts with 50 dead mom on him.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Yeah. It's it's like I said, the situation with King, that's when we're talking about when King is a little bit like, I don't know, maybe he he he's feeding into it. Matter of fact, he had, I guess he said something crazy where whatever crazy was, he reached out to 50 Cent son, his oldest son, and apologized. He said, yo, he said this stuff is out of emotion, my bad, you know, I shouldn't have said, but he said, let's chop it up, you know what I'm saying? Let's hit me so we can chop it up and I can apologize.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

You know why he did that though, right? Because he went on a rant after the 50 rant and was like, Man, you know what, nigga? Fuck that. Nigga, I slap this shit out your son, nigga, because he's related to you. And I know you don't even fuck with him, but I slap him because of that. Then, you know what I'm saying? Then he's like, oh nah, bro, I shouldn't have done that. So I'm gonna holla at him. But like, my thing is this, now Kingdom doing whatever, like me personally. I'm a I'm a heavy supporter of once you disrespect, you don't get to choose how to disrespect come back.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

You don't get to like if you slap somebody and they shoot you, you can't get mad at that. Because you don't get to choose how your disrespect comes back. Now, on the back end of that, people gotta understand, 50 starts at hell. Like people say needs to go low, low nigga, I go to hell, start at hell. Okay, so people gotta understand now that they've gone this far, they keep making these songs. Sorry, Miss Jackson, making rap songs to his dead mom and all that. So now you gotta understand that however he returns this, y'all gotta jack that. Yeah. Y'all gotta jack that. Because there's no way you're gonna tell me that he just gonna let them do that. You know what I'm saying? He's gonna do something.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

He kept he kept it real too. When he made that post, he made uh post recently when he said that when he standing there, he said, You love me or hate me. He said, My job is here to some, I'm paraphrasing stir emotion. He said, I'm he said basically Vicky was saying, I'm the algorithm. I know people said people say, Well, I threw memes and trolls. He said, I'm the algorithm. Everything I do, people watch for they and react after everything that I do. Yes. So I'm the algorithm. Oh, I know the.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

I know that feeling very well. The one thing too, though, that I don't like though as an avid fan, as an avid um and person who grew up in hip-hop, all this 50 too busy to make rap songs is stupid. Like, oh, he's too busy to rap. He got some fuck all that. You a rapper, bro. You wake up every day and make 16 bars of fucking memes about people every day. You got time to find Jim Jones landlord. You got time to find every fucking storeman that he ever bought a bottom in a baby all from. You got time to do all this shit, but you telling me you can't rap. I don't listen.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

I just when I when I'm not mean to cut you off, bro. When I made my I made a uh post about how I would see the verses going, and I'm basing it off of the culmination of body of work up until the day before the beef drop. Now, there's no way in any God-given form, put on two separate stages like in the same arena, not one back to fact. Like, say 50 on this stage, TI on this stage, right? And they have their verses. Right. There's no body of work that TI has that can stand up to get rich or die trying in its totality. I'm just being honest. Now, I've said I said if they did a versus TI would win. Yeah. And the reason I was saying that is because the total I'm talking about the culmination of body of work, the energy, the crowd response, and all that. But as I sat back and I started listening, because I I listened to King, I listened to Get Richard Die Trying, and I think the I think I listened to Paper Trail. Uh I think that's T.I. album, if I'm misquoting, I'm sorry. The one with Rubber Band Man on it. Those two King and that album and King are my two favorite T.I. albums. I listened to Get Richard Die Trying, I listened to The Massacre, and I got halfway through Curtis. Curtis by far is 50's worst worst album. Maybe even after, even before the one that came out there, I forgot what it was called. No, Animal Instinct is awful. Yeah, Animal Instinct, that's disgustingly bad. Curtis started the trail of being bad. Massacre, Massacre was all pop. Mostly pop. No, I'm saying, like, when I'm saying, okay, let me let me stray away from saying pop. It had distinct pop records on it. Which he should have. Yeah, yeah. But when I was somebody uh who was debating with me why TI would lose was talking about how big and uh powerful Get Richard Die Trying was it. I said, first of all, Get Your Richard Die Trying is a phenomenal record. My my reason for what I was saying was like there's an artist and there's momentum. There's a difference between artist and momentum. Tupac was a true artist. You know what I'm saying? He was a true artist. Snoop Dogg was a good artist, but he had an insane amount of momentum behind him. When Snoop Dogg, every his when his album dropped, it was just like it was the end all to be out. I don't know if uh if you guys I know you do, because me and you talk about it. Yeah, me and you talk about it like that album was perfect. Yeah, we know it's perfect from literally. From the chronic, you had Dre, you had Dre leaving NWA, beefing with Easy, linking up with Sugar Knight, starting Death Roll, dropping the Chronic, which had the sum had probably like three or three, two or three summers on lock alone to build up to get ready for the the red carpet got rolled out for Snoop Dogg. And remember, this was before social media, before downloads and all that stuff. And that boy did like damn near a million records in a short week, and then almost did double the same number the following week. And this is people waiting outside to buy albums. I still think that did better than 50s because 50s was almost a part of, you know, it was a little bit different. But so every album after that from Snoop never did quite as well, you know, never did quite as well. Uh same thing with uh 50 Cent, that momentum behind him. He had Dre starting his own thing, then Dre finding Eminem, Eminem putting a cosign behind 50, like the momentum was insane. So all they had to do was, like Irv said, Irv got he said, God rest his soul. He said they just had to deliver a quality product and they overachieved with that. So then you after that you had the G unit, then game, all this stuff. But the momentum died down. Yeah, TI on the flip side started building his momentum up. He went, I've he did the mixtape. I know he had a mixtape, went to jail about 750 times, then did paper trail, started popping, popping, popping. I don't know if it culminated with King, because uh to me it culminated to when he was on that track with Jay-Z at the Grammys with Lil Wayne. No, but I'm uh I'm just I'm just saying, as far as like overall, like I'm I may be misquoting missing steps, but I'm saying that he built his momentum up, you know, and then got to the point too when he wasn't like even with uh I forgot that one song he had You Could Get Whatever You Like, that was that like that's when he was on tours everywhere. He was he was uh rocking, making Chevy commercials before he got caught with the drugs and the guns and shit like that. So, like I said, it's they both had different paths up until their popularity and it's sustained. Now T.I. dropped uh later dropped this joint. Yeah, and it's yeah, it's blowing up everywhere. Yeah, you know, like it's so that's the culmination of being a true artist versus an artist who got momentum. Now, I don't think 50 has the passion to rap anymore. Do you think he's a rapper? Yeah, I said, yeah, I thought 50 was a like he was an animal before. Like I you can see the hunger. You watch the old video clips and everything, but I think he's more of a businessman now. He's like, yo, he came in, he said, listen, I don't have to like that doesn't, it probably doesn't even interest him no more whatsoever. You know, you're not, and what you don't the muscles you don't flex, you don't use, you you know, they they die down. And the 50's like, yo, I don't, I don't think he gives a shit. Honestly, I'm gonna fuck up a rap for. Like when they matter of fact, he just did a clip on Instagram where he's like, Y'all want me to rap. You see what the fuck I'm doing? He torn the literally torn the world, doing different business deals and other stuff. Fuck, I look like rap before. Now, if we talk about if we keep it in the realm of rap, like I said, I think T.I. light his ass up, plain and simple. But like I said, that's just my take on it and the reasons why. Because you got one who started high, went down low, and one who started low who went up high. Now, get Richard Die trying, to me, like I said, in the grand scheme of things, that's just it's just uh just a knockout punch all around. But you know what I'm saying? But you look when you look consider the body of work, I think it'd be a good versus. Like one of my close friends, he said it'd be a decision. It wouldn't be just a knockout either way, it'd be a decision.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

So yeah. I think for me, I think it's like a lot of things. So like so, like, man, with the 50 saying, like, yo, man, he can't rap, like Jay-Z, who is we we can all agree, is considerably more accomplished than 50. Even Jay, every few years is gonna drop a verse and take shots at everybody that's been taking shots at him since the last time he rapped. So no, so so like being bored, and Jay like 60. So it's like the being bored thing I don't get. Um, as far as their legacies, though, like, man, just to add in some steps you missed, actually, T.I.'s first album was called I'm Serious. Yeah, the lead single joint with Beanie, man. And honestly, man, one of my favorite TI songs on the album is called Um I Can't Be A Man. So, like, man, when I posted that shit last week, like, I don't cheat cause I ain't shit, I cheat cause you ain't shit. That's from that song. You know what I'm saying, man. But um, and I'm sure you're right. Probably, man, his breakout uh song was probably rubber band, man. And that album was uh trap music. It was trap music music. Yeah, paper trail was way down the line. I don't know. I'm bugging a lot of album or something. Yeah, I'm bugging, yep. But um, yeah, but I think it's the thing. Um, I think that 50 definitely was the bigger artist. Like, I don't know, like for the younger people watching this, I don't think people realize how big 50 Cent actually was. Like, man, when 50's album dropped, they literally played every single song on the album on the radio that night.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Multiple times.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

And not only did he have the number one album on the billboard, he had the number one mix tape in the street. So, like, literally, there was nowhere you could go. Like, just put it in perspective. This nigga had a video game in his own sneakers and he don't play no sports. Nigga don't play no sports. The only person to ever do that before was Michael Jackson. So that lets you know how big he was at that time.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

That's a whole fact.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

The only person to ever have their own shoe and video game that wasn't playing sports at that time was Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying? And he did it in the 80s, man. So that lets you know how big he was was, is whatever. Um, but I think as far as it goes with the versus, oh, also, too, man. I'm gonna talk about many albums. It sounds crazy to people because we just all love Get Rich so crazy. But the good songs on the Massacre aged a lot better than the one that's dead on Get Rich or Die Tri. A lot better. Like I listened to the Massacre the other day, and and like the songs that are good, like the rapping is so much better than it was. Um, I don't I think a lot of shit on Get Rich didn't age well. That's why you notice when people play it, they really only play many men, one up gangster in 21 questions. Yeah, people don't play too much of anything else off of Get Rich after that because it didn't age well. If you go to the problem with the Massacre was that the songs that are bad on The Massacre, they're unbearably bad. They are unbearably awful. But I also think that people, like for real, bro. I think people people don't really understand that. Like there's never been anybody before or after that had an explosion like 50 Cent. Like that shit was literally insane. Like, no matter where you went with 50 Cent.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

I don't think it's been since. I don't think any art, yeah, I don't that since no rap artists since.

SPEAKER_01 35:25

I don't think many of that could be duplicated. Like, seriously, like like as big as 50 Cent was in 2003, no rapper has ever been that big.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Jay, there's a famous clip online where Jay was telling his artists, he said, yo, there's a window of time between him dropping in 2000 and 2003. He said, Yo, y'all got time to put out music, flood the streets, because he said 50 Cent is coming. He said, He like he warned his team. He's like, Yo, 50 Cent is coming. And when he drops, it's over.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

If you look at the gap and Jay-Z releases, there is nothing after get Richard Dye Try. Even Jay-Z waits it out because he understands like this shit is a monster. Yeah, there's nothing we can do. Even his enemies, like man, Irv Gaudy has uh interviews like yo, when he dropped that shit, we knew we had a problem and we had to get out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

True facts. That's why that's why Jay put him on tour. When they reboxed sponsored that tour and they put them together, he said only made sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

So and that thing right there, man, is like that's what get me into the he too big to rap. You can't tell me he ain't rapped in a long time. This nigga study making rap songs, man, for the intro to these shows. I guarantee you, when the new power comes out in a couple months, and he's gonna be the intro song. He shouldn't know how to fucking rap nigga. I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Undercover line.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Undercovers telling me that he didn't use the muscles.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

By no means, I'm not saying I'm not making excuses because at the end of the day, like I said, let's take it back to rap. Rapper. I said I tell I tell you a TI is a true rapper, man. Like he's a true artist. I've said that a thousand times. Yeah, rappers gonna rap.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

And he's been blacking, like all them songs he was dropping, like forget the fitty dishes, like that let them know. That song, Warman that he got the um video for, yeah, that song is not about 50. It's not. Even though they labeled him in 50 joint, he had that done when Let Hem Know came out. Like when Let Hem Know came out, that war snippet was already out. Yep. It just fits like, oh now you're talking about him. But if you listen, he really talking about anybody like, oh, like you niggas think I'm pussy because I be telling jokes now. Yeah. Like, nah, I really can't. Oh, y'all want war. He said, I get busy. Yeah, so so I think um, yeah, man, I think it's one of those things. I think that he's in better lyrical shape than 50 is. And I think if they went out to rap rap, he'd win. The only thing about 50 is this 50 never was really winning wars off lyricism. He'll embarrass the fuck out you. Like, that's his thing. Like, like, like, nigga, I ain't about to buy for bar you like like man. I remember uh uh him and kissing them was going back at, and obviously, man, he can't out rap Kiss. But like he dropped some joint then, like at the end, like he just talking, he like, yeah, nigga, seen the news, man, about them Jews you brought. Get that chain back, you dirty nigga. Like, that became my biggest.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

So Kissy like a ninja turtle and all that shit. Like, like, like that's his bop.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

His bop is I'm going to embarrass you. Yeah. Like, I know, I know I can't out rap you. You a rapid ass nigga, but guess what I can do? I can embarrass you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Now speaking of uh retaliations, too. I do have to give a special shout out to uh retaliations. No, yeah, no, I'm saying, like uh T.I.'s son Domani. That song he got, sorry Miss Jackson. That's a bop. That's a bop. I don't know if you even heard it yet. His son dropped a song called Sorry Miss Jackson. That's the one that that's the his that's the I think that's I don't know if that's Tiny's son. Not a Tiny's son. No, no, not Tiny's.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

No, that's T.I.'s son with someone else. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

But yeah, but he like, yeah, but he came to defense of his pops and uh Tiny and he dropped a song called Sorry Miss Jackson. I said, if you haven't heard it, give it a listen. It's tough, it's tough.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Now it was a good bar. But the only thing is, like I said, with that starting in hell, when you tell a nigga something about his dead mama, and you say, the next time you you've been thinking about your mama, I'll send you to her. You gotta understand. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Like some of this shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

So like I said, like the bar started hell for him, and you gotta think about shit like that. Like, like, like Nantia is considerably rich. Demani is not. Like, it don't take much, man, for the for um and for 50 to find out where he's at at a given date and then a couple of niggas to be like, you gotta you gotta understand something too.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

What I tell people after being on the road with these cats for over 30 years, artists such as that, it doesn't, you'll never have to worry about the artist. It's the nigga that you that's over there getting french fries and napkins that you gotta worry about. It's the cats over there that's watching your every single move that you gotta worry about that are uh that pledge allegiance to these type of artists. Like, oh, you talking all this gangster shit, like ask Soldier Boy. When Soldier Boy was in the hood with them cats, I forgot what video was, and he was claiming that he's down with the set, and one of the cats came over and punched him in the face, like, you ain't down with us. Boom, they ain't gonna fuck that he was soldier boy. Like, they we ro we'll smoke you right now, we'll rob you right now, you know, stuff like that. Like it's people who uh align themselves with these artists, and when you talk real crazy and real heavy like that, and gangster like that, some people gonna make you stand on it. They're gonna like gonna see you like, okay, tough guy, you got you got all the bricks in the world, you got all the guns in the world, this then the third. Now you gotta stand on it. Let's see what you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

You know, those dudes are around. Um, I just spoke before, they're around to be an asset to the asset. So if I ain't got active in a minute, this nigga bury my back. You know what? I don't even need this nigga around me. So I'm gonna just randomly punt somebody in their fucking face. Yeah, like you know what? Hey man, hey, hey, hey, boss, I got um, I got active last week. Yep, you know what I'm saying? Like, look, you know what I'm saying? And I think that'd be one of those things. And and we we see, man, like when 50 had a demon with slow bucks, he didn't touch slow bucks. Some random G-Unit nigga from the back ran up, beat him up. On stage. He literally ruined Slow Bucks' entire closing line, motion, and everything by beating him up and getting him rubbed.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

And kept rapping.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Not only did he do that, he kept on stage at what the biggest, one of the biggest concerts New York has seen, or has, you know, that they have on stage and held the nigga chain up. And I'm like, it doesn't get worse than that. It doesn't get worse than that's what I'm telling. I tell people, and I say all the time, even clients that I work with, Twitter fingers, chill, relax. Some of the things you a lot of people don't read. They like, yo, I'm gonna I'm gonna handle this when I see you. And you got some cast ready to crash out over nothing.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Like, it's gonna tell me that with 50. Like, like that's another thing that people have to also realize. Like, man, see I can't, like, I we understand the fits and all that. But they haven't actually done it. He's actually done shit to people. So it's like they gotta keep that in mind. Like, he will put his hands on you in real life. So for so for whatever you feel outside that boot, he'll put his fucking hands on you. But you gotta understand that. You know what I'm saying? So, like, so I mean when he talked that shit, man, he'd be like, hey, man, you know, the actual, because that's his favorite word, he's like the actual altercation of violence. It's actually actually.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

But when people say I got a problem, I say no problem.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

You know what I'm saying? That's like people gotta understand that. But hopefully it stays on wax. But however, however, he decides to handle it, the they're already in hell to understand. If he goes underneath hell, you can't really be mad.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

It's all a publicity stunt.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Yeah, it could all be a publicity stunt.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

You never know. Like, you never know. It's it's helping prepare, it's gonna help. It's definitely gonna benefit TI. Yeah, it's definitely gonna benefit TI because he he definitely got music out. So any anytime you got all these controversies surrounding releases, you it plays all into that.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

Because we're talking about nigga dead mama for about 19 minutes of rapping in a row. I don't think that like man, he got a son, like his oldest son only plays the guitar. Like, he got a guitar solo disc that he put out yesterday. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

When the turd strings again, they called him Lenny Kravitzers.

SPEAKER_02 43:07

He got a Lenny, a son like Lenny Kravitz, a son like J. Cole, they called him King Trippy Red. And then, you know, T.I. Like he got sons that are are in the in the game, in the entertainment industry, and they all got different, like so he made a guitar district. Yeah, musically. He's playing music. Fuck it, this shit.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

I didn't even listen to him. I didn't see anything. I made that up, but I'm not sure. But like the thing is, like, I think like King is a weird-looking little dude.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Yeah, he is like he tried to live up to his dad's like like gangster. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Knowing that he ain't like yo, like, like uh, like King, I think is the definition man when they say we can never understand him in God's way. Because I don't think we can ever understand what God was putting together when he made King. It's like he wanted to make a light skinned nigga with a torque.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

I think he's up, if I'm not. I think he's to make mad different niggas.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

I think he's a bino. You know what? He's albino.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

He's a albino. I think he's albino.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

He's not a fucking albino. Albino is a good thing. No, he's not albino.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

That's how powerful they niggas. Fiddy card that nigga albino. Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

All albino's kind of look, you know what you could see, you could tell albino look. They have the real black features, but it just you could just tell like some black features?

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, but that thing looked like void of filter.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

It is the the their their complexion, their their skin color just looks like it's not the point.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Pardon my ignorance regarding albino. It's not supposed to be all my albino friends.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

You know what he looked like? King looked like God was making him, and then he got a phone call about some shit that was more so never came back to make it king. Like, like oh slightly, man. Let me let me turn my power system. I thought he was albino.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

He's not albino. His parents like no.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Like, man, like I truly believe it was making him, it was like, oh shit, man. Did he just peed on somebody else? I'll get back to make him. Hey, I'll get back to making Play Doh, man, in a second.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

I got a I got a question. Okay. Not that uh segue. I don't like your questions. I got a question for Brian. This should be crazy. No, this is uh this is a question. Posing this to everyone that's viewing this too, as well. One of the uh topics, one of the topics that center round conversations that I have outside of the pod involves the dating life in Rochester, New York. Uh-huh. I am by no means. I am by no means an expert. Real Caribbean girl. Yeah, I by no means an expert. I'm I'm not a relationship expert, a dating expert. I little, I know little next to nothing in regards to that field. Only thing that I ever discuss is my experiences and the things that I've decisions I've made, the horrible decisions I've made.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

All the girls that you've dated.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

No, no, no. I'm just no fairness said you are the horrible-fair things you are. No, no, what I'm what I'm saying is that the horrible decisions that I've made that have cost me those wonderful relationships. The women were beautiful and awesome. It was me and decisions I made that ruined it. So let me clarify that. What I want to know is that was nice. Yeah, it's the truth. Now, what I want to know is this, Rock. I hear this uh debate that I hear so much. Now, for people that are dating, that are getting back into the dating pool, for the people who are new to dating, some and people who are being forced back into dating. What are I know we talked about red flags and green flags for that? But on a first date, how would you prefer a man ask you out on a date?

SPEAKER_03 46:49

How I would how would I prefer that?

SPEAKER_02 46:50

And I'll tell you why I'm asking that.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

How would I prefer to ask me on a date?

SPEAKER_02 46:55

How would you prefer somebody to approach you to ask you on a date? Now, for example, the reason I say that is I've seen women say, Oh, I'd be out running errands looking like shit and a dude is still approaching me. Yeah. Or a woman say, I'm in the grocery store with my kids and men approach me. Yeah. I'm like, if a if a motherfucker see you and is attracted to you, like you, why the fuck not? Like, I might not ever see you again. So, yeah, you at work. Yeah, you running errands, you look like a bum. Yeah, you at the store with your kids. How and they say, Oh, it's inappropriate, or this, that, and the third. How the fuck should I know? If I see you and I like you.

SPEAKER_03 47:25

In front of your kids, I could I could see why.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

I'm not saying I'm not you with your son picking up some ice cream. Hey, yo, what's up, Shorty? Like, you know, what the fuck? Oh, words like that? Because you with this little nigga for fuck you. No, no, no, you got to be. I'm not saying that.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

No, if you remember she gets some ice cream, you roll up like, look, why don't you come fuck with this chunky monkey? If you go that freezing for that chunky monkey, I got a chunky monkey outside of this motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

I don't even know how it would feel if somebody just sees me out in public and then approach me and be like, hey, I want to take you on a date. I don't know how I would, I don't know how it would feel that. Because for me, dating, I I'm not just going on a date with anyone. I gotta, there's a preliminary round. We gotta talk, we gotta get to know each other first, and then I wanna know, then I'll be like, okay, yeah, I want to go on a date with you. So you repeat the first line.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

That was so important what you just said. You said preliminary round? No, I'm not going on a date with people.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Yeah, I'm not gonna, I don't need a free meal. I feel like I don't need a free meal if I'm dating, I'm dating with intention. Right now I'm dating with intention. So I don't need a free meal from you. I gotta make sure I like you. I wanna be across from you. I want to share my energy with you, I want to share my space with you because I'm the type of person I I don't mind going out to eat up by myself. Repeat the group. I'm going on a date by myself. Oh, I take myself on a date all the time. Okay. I've seen plenty of places by yourself. Exactly, right? I write into you at the distilleries, right? I go up by myself all the time. So for me to want you in my space, I gotta actually like you. I want I want you to be in my space because my space for me is so sacred. So I'm not inviting any bozo out to eat with me. I'm not inviting any clown. Like, you gotta be somebody of substance to come sit in my space. So if I'm going on a date with you, that means I actually like you. You went through the preliminary process to actually be out in public with me to take me on a date. I don't need a free meal. So if a woman accepts a date just off of just first, like first conversation, she probably hungry. Or she or she really doesn't, or she really does like she just like okay, whatever. Like she doesn't, she doesn't have any, she doesn't have any intentions for herself, she doesn't have any goals. A woman that knows what she wants is not just going on a date with just anyone. We're gonna sit and talk first. I'm gonna have free conversations, make sure we on the same wavelength, and then we then we could go on a date.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

So and so here's my thing. I call it the 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

I used to go on free meal days.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

I call it the 30-second window. Now, if I'm out and about and we just have a minor interaction, years and years and years and years, this was some years ago. I remember I was at a uh uh I was at a gas station and it was this young lady that was working there, and she uh I bought a lot I bought a scratch off. It was uh I guess I think the lottery pickings was high. And we had a 45-second conversation about the lotto. And I said, I walked out the store, I said, Damn, did I read that wrong? I'm like, I think I said I think I got a shot. And I went out, I went back and I asked her for a number, and I said, I want to take you out and get an opportunity, and we ended up dating for almost two years. Yeah, but the thing was that that was my window. Yeah, that was my window, and it started with me saying I want to take you out and this stuff like that. But now granted, my I guess my preliminary round would have was was the 45 seconds that 45-second conversation, but I I I like I said it was a it was a vibe that was obviously there. There was an attraction there.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

So if he was attracted to you, you were attracted to her, there was an attraction there, and then she was like, Oh my god, based on this conversation, he he's smart, he's intellectual, he's funny. Okay, yeah, I will I will consider that. But a guy just approaching me, like especially in the gym, like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Yeah, I think that's I think that's I think that's I think that's what it was. Yeah, don't come to me in the gym.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

You know what? And it's flattering. Yes, you find me attractive while I'm sweaty and looking a hot mess. Thank you. All right, because when I dress up, oh my god, you're gonna you're gonna eat every crevice of my body. But it's an e crash. Well, Sunday. So thank you. I appreciate you for liking me at my worst, right? Quote unquote. But there's a time and place for everything. That little pow wow at the counter, you know, like ah, he made me laugh, you know, you you put a smile on my face, we'll exchange numbers. Then we could talk on the phone, and then we could set up a date.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

Yeah, but I think there's still that there there needs to be that that little bit of a but see, and the reason I say that because I see so many like women put up video clips, reels, TikToks, and all that, where they bashing men for approaching them while they're out. And I'm like, listen, I don't know, like we've I call it the we're the microwave society now. Uh we've gotten to the point to where we uh super analyze everything and we take away the old school tactics of dating. Where you know, if a man if a man sees a woman, first of a woman, you'll have women on one post saying they want to be pursued, they want to be valued as a prize, they want to be chased. Yeah, and then you'll have them on the next post, oh god, I can't stand when niggas approach me and try to holler at me and buy, oh my god, leave me alone, this, that, and the third. Like, sweet Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

Yeah, that's that's men she's not attracted to. You know, if you're not attracted to him, then you're gonna be annoyed.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Yeah, you're annoyed at anything. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. Um, first of all, I want to give Rock a lot of props.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Because, like, yo, like we thank you. It'd be like, yo, like a lot of these women, they will literally, they will literally go on a date with anybody for some food. Like, like, if you know me, you'll see me out anywhere eating by myself. And it'd be cool. And I just being faced like, what the fuck is you doing with my social studies teacher? Like, why are you and Mr. Vandersnoot you're in a fucking male? Doing Vandersnoot. Like, like messing that go out with any fucking body for a middle and no thing, and I'm gonna be real, I'm gonna tell y'all a little secret. They attract undesirable niggas, but they don't realize the reason why you keep attracting undesirable men is because you're undesirable. Because men that actually want to date you, you don't attract those types of men. When they say that man is trying to approach them when they're out or in the gym or with their kids, they're probably inviting them to Netflix and chill them. They're inviting them, hey man, let's go get some mojos and some weed. Like, so like so like those are those types of situations. Like I always find those women that say that. They're they're always those types of. You know what I'm saying? So you can write this rebuttal down. So they they really, really end up in those situations. And like me and Rock had a conversation earlier, it was very light. But it's like, yeah, we'll tell them all the time, we approach you how we view you. The man that is trying to Netflix and chill you is the same man that will whine and dine the next woman. He views you that way. Please understand, again, men approach you how we view you. It is not a mistake. So when a woman posts, men don't go on dates no more, men don't buy flowers no more, they don't buy you flowers. They don't date you.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Yeah, I just got some flowers.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

So I was saying that. So that's so that's one of those things.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

I just got some flowers.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

And that same man that bought you those flowers, he probably cursed somebody. No, no, no. That same man, that same man that bought you those flowers has Netflix and chilled a hundred other homes before. Because that's the thing, like we adjust our approach, and like women don't understand, like, we treat shit like sports, like football. You might have to run the ball against the bills to beat them. You might got to pass to beat the cowboys. It's the same thing. And a lot of analogy don't understand that. Like, it's all about strategy. And we're gonna pick the best strategy for the one, or sometimes the easiest strategy to get to the end zone. And just to be real, we think of y'all, we think a lot of y'all have bad goal line defense. So it's easier for us to score the touchdown. So that's when you get Netflix Nick. That's when you get Fire Stick Freddy. And when you have a man that's going to wine and dine you, that means he knows he has to run his entire offense to get to the end zone. And the piggy, he has to run plays.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

You know what? I like I like what you put it down.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

And the piggyback. We gotta do more shows without mo. You gotta do more shows without mocking.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

No, because men, men will court the woman that need that should be courting. Absolutely. I was just about to say I would say this. I I I would have to, like, I would have to kind of oppose what you said about like you attract bum niggas or whatever. Because a lot of times these the bum niggas are the ones that don't have shit to lose. So they approach anybody. You could be a bad bitch with a high value bitch, and they're gonna be that one man that feels like, you know what, I don't care, I'm gonna shoot my shot regardless. That doesn't mean that you, you're, that doesn't devalue you. That's just a man that doesn't have shit to lose. So he will come after you. I sometimes I sit back and think, like, damn, I know a lot of women say this, like, damn, why is these type of men in my inbox? Do I look, do I look desperate? Should I change my profile picture? And it's like, no, sis, you look, you look like a high value woman. These are some men that don't care. They will shoot their shot anything.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

But if you look at our viral clip, you know, the one that's at like half a million views on TikTok, check us out. Um, if you look, I also make the exception. I also say no rule is absolute. That's why I said that most men, I said there, there, there is a percentage of men that's gonna bust their gun regardless. Regardless. They're gonna shoot the worst thing you can tell me, no. That's the exception to the rule to the rules. Those guys, I'm shooting regardless. Yeah. I got five dollars, she got five billion, bitch. I'm letting my gun go.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

So we always have to make room for exception. So I'm not, so I'm not um, I'm gonna take that out of there. So when you oppose it, you have to also. It actually proves your point even more. Actually, made room for the exception already there. So, no, you're definitely right. Like it's some dude that's gonna do that. But on average, and I'll say it again, people in general, not even just men, we go for things that we think will be the most successful at. It's just like, for example, we ain't about to go to apply to be no fucking doctor. None of us got a mad degree. We just gonna come and apply to be a doctor, man, with no qualifications. No, because we we don't think we'll get it because we think we're not qualified. So when it comes to women, a man that thinks he's not qualified for a specific woman, he's not gonna he's not gonna drop his application because he don't want to get rejected. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

And I I have a bunch, like y'all be telling me, like, yeah, this nigga came up to me and he like, yo, what's cool with rock? No one ever approaches me because they think first of all, they know I'm I'm you I'm gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 57:51

When they look at their resume, I tell them you, I tell them when they ask the resume, like they look at their resume. Like, rock run through niggas, bro. You don't want you don't want no parts of that.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Rock run through niggas, like they be like, shit, I can't dance, I can't make ox tails. You know what? Let me be her fucking low.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

I ain't got no car, so I can't listen to radio. But you know what? The piggyback off what B was saying, the one thing, and like I said, I always speak from personal experience or from the personal experience of the people that's around me. I used to always, when I was when I started dating heavily, when I was really out there dating, I treated every single nah what's it, I treated every woman the same. I would go all out for each one. But then, listen, that was me. I'm like I said, I was like, I we we doing, I'm doing the roses, I'm doing the everything. We going, we going, I'm going extravagant. But then, and I'm I'm put this the best way I can not everyone I dealt with deserved that type of treatment. Now, I'm not saying that I thought of one lesser than lesser than the other one, but more so what happened with me was that the appreciation factor. Like, there's I can give one girl a thousand roses and then like, oh yeah, thanks. You know, what else did you give me? Or you can give a girl one rose and she lose her mind. Like, oh my God, you took this amount of time of your day, your busy day, to think about me to get me one rose, uh, and they'll show and appreciate. So, what I understand what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

And that's a woman that got her shit together. And I and I won that like that one rose is the one.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

And I what I realized is, and just in not to just cast a roses, those are the also the ones that you'll go out your way with. Like women say, like, oh, men don't hold doors open, or men don't open car doors, or men don't take out the trash, or they they try to trivialize the efforts that a man does. Like when B was saying, like, shit, I'm paying for the house, I'm paying the bills, the phone, the lights. So if I'm too tired to take out the trash, give me grace. You know what I'm saying? Though I'm I'm not talking about that so much as because that's our past dating, that's relationship scale. What I'm saying, as far as the dating part, is what you bring it back to the scale things, like the effort that I put into our date after you've I you accept it continuously, even with even the attention to detail, like when we're out and we're talking and you mention something that you like, a perfume that you like, uh uh a pair of sneakers or an outfit that you like, and I go out my way to get learn your size without you telling me I might inbox one of your friends. What's her favorite color? What's this, that, and the third? The effort I put behind it, to me, that's uh that correlates to the type of woman that you are.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

That's the type of woman. I don't and I don't mind that that's a copper coup I'm a Capricorns. I just met a Capricorn.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

I think I'm I think I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

And see the thing, yeah. See, and it and that Scorpio's. But see, that part, the woman, that part of the woman excites me.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

That part of that part of the the the the initial dating stage excites me. I want to learn you. I want to I want to talk to you. I want to I want to know your secrets, your fears, all that stuff. And then later on, you know, like most women, they'll say, Oh, you know, first thing I do, I was like, so you like you have it like when women are saying, Oh, I like dating big dudes and cuddly dudes and teddy bears, blah c blah. But the first argument, then I'm a fat bitch. Then that that changes the game. This is why Bear has why Bear has the most fans on TikTok. That's why he has the most fans.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

I always say this do not, do not introduce me to a vibe you can't maintain. Yes, I understand you want to put your best foot forward in the beginning, but now I I'm I want I want to expect, I'm gonna expect that. I love, I, I love a man that if he's a piece of shit, he's a piece of shit from the beginning to the end. Show me you a piece of shit. And let me deal with that piece, let me scoop it up and do whatever I can, flush it, whatever I need to do with that piece of shit. But show me you a piece of shit from the beginning. Don't come here love bombing me with all the flowers, knowing you're a piece of shit. Now I'm caught, I'm all sucked in. Now I'm letting my guard down. Now I'm loving on you and showing you, like, okay, I can reciprocate this, and now you're showing me a piece of shit. Don't believe that. That's but hang on a second. What you said that what do you mean don't believe it? No, no, no, no, no. That's why, uh ladies, if the man, that's that's why I kind of when a man comes on too strong, when he starts, when he's so nice and sweet and you know, doing all the right things in the beginning, I move even more cautious.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:04

Like so.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

You know why I'm about to lock this kitty down even for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

First of all, I'm gonna tell you why niggas don't piece of shit from the rip. I love the whole thing. I love a piece of shit that proves that they're a piece of the shit. But you know what, Rocky, Rocky, let me tell you this. Being a piece of shit and a minute piece of shit from the rip, you might gonna shoot one out of ten. Being a fake, hold on, hold on, Rocky, Rocky. You're only speaking from you. So what I'm saying is this nigga gonna shoot one out of ten. So let me ask you this. We talk about me hitting the lottery. Is you gonna play numbers that you're gonna hit one out of ten, or the numbers meant you're gonna hit six out of ten? You're gonna play them six out of ten numbers. So a nigga know, like, yo, if I could play nice guy to ten bitches, and I'm gonna hit six, that's what he's gonna do. You know what I'm saying? Like, being an admitted piece of shit is not actually a thing people fuck with. You know what I'm saying? So that's why they'll always do it. So that's why I say it's a lie in the sense that men are always going to go with the way that's most successful. And the most successful way is it like shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

But no, no, everybody, but I feel like people like people that treat them like shit. I think there is a there is a there's a a thing there where we like the challenge, both men and women. Yeah, we like to chase, we like the challenge. We have to stop this. We have no, we really have to do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

We already have a viral clip about this.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

We really have to fucking stop this. But like, I people love to change. I love a challenge. And I feel like a piece of shit person gets gets a more options than you think. But here's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:29

I don't like to chase anything simply because of this. If it's for me, then it's not gonna run from me. Being difficult on purpose is stupid. Because it's gonna cause somebody that really wants to fuck with you to say, I'm out. Because especially if you have somebody, and what I mean by people of substance, if you're of substance, part of your substance is having a high regard for yourself. So if I feel like I'm a good person with shit to offer and you running, yeah, oh, you're wasting the time for the person that's really gonna fuck with me. Yeah, I'm not about to chase you. So again, so so all that chase, no, I don't agree to the chase. I don't want to chase, I don't want to run. I jog in the morning. So anytime I want to jog, you're not chasing shit when I'm jogging.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

So, you know, so one thing we never speak about though? And I realize every time we approach the subject, we always talk with rock, well, mostly rock, rock are always saying that, you know, love bomb in the beginning, how men are in the beginning, this, that, and the third. One thing we never talk about is what if the woman does something to change that? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? If I'm love, if I'm love bombing, if I'm love bombing, if I'm love bombing, what are you talking about? If I'm love that what do you mean? What do you mean? I'm love bombing, I'm I'm like I said, I'm a I'm a true true like crazy about the comedy. I'm a true to I'm a true tender Capricorn, I'm a love bomb. If I love bomb in the beginning, uh huh, what the fuck did you do to make me change to become a piece of tender? If you pussy. No, well, hang on a second. Sometimes it's not it's not just that simple. Sometimes the phones don't play that far. That's what I'm saying. Because like I said, that that could change the game. By all means, we know, we know stories where that's definitely changed. But what I'm saying is the fact that what if you're the piece of shit? What if you're the person who doesn't appreciate shit? You don't you don't love bomb back, you don't, what's that word? We started, we started we started the podcast with this word of your phone for not betting me on a second for not betting me. Hang on a second. This we started the podcast with this word reciprocation. We simply a lot of a lot of people don't know how to reciprocate properly. Some women get to the point to where they think that they're the prize when as at any one woman should.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:38

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

But they don't understand how to return that love bombing. Because you know, like I said, like a relationship, I tell everybody, a relationship like a plant. You have to feed it for it to grow. Now, if you what happens when you stop feeding that plant, that shit get ugly, die, and wither, and you just you just go end up moving on. So now your lack of empathy, your lack of care. Your lack of support and your lack of reciprocation. You selfish bitch. You selfish bitch has caused me to become fire stick Freddy. Never never got about it. Now you don't get the red lobster. You don't get the cheesecake factory no more. You're damn sure he getting the the women's. But that's your fault though.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

But that's y'all fault. How's it our fault? Because I feel like for men, if you're if you know you're a giver, I always feel like all givers need to find their giver, right? If you, if you, if you know you're a giver, give a little bit and see what the response is. Don't keep giving and giving me a gun. When you wear masks too. And you're not giving back. We're not getting anything back. That's your fault. Take accountability for that. The same way y'all want women to take accountability for choosing a piece of shit, men. Y'all need to take accountability for love bombing the wrong people. Okay, cool. Cool. Take accountability. She keeps taking and taking and taking, and she's not giving back, and you keep giving, you paying her bills. You buying her all this shit. You buying her and her friend shit. Y'all, y'all, you you cash app in her. Like, and she's not giving nothing back, and you don't, you don't know what to stop. That's your fault. Take accountability for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

Hold on. Don't let Brandon speak before I scream at your ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:09

Y'all hate when I y'all hate when I start cooking.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

When I start cooking. Let me throw that plate away while I come back. That's your fault. I cook my own meal. I got it. Like, yo, like, nah. You don't want none of those pasta. Thing is, this though, like, like Miss Real. That bull dialman and my principle legit of date people who like you, and you should figure that out. So I actually agree with you there. And you feel about to disagree. No, what I will say is this is that when men are givers, y'all have to realize that the reciprocation we're looking for is not actual giving. It's not tangible giving. It's intangible giving.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

Somebody give this boy some holy water.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

It's the things that can't be bought. It's appreciation. It's admiration. Thank you. So those are things that that man, we are looking for.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:55

I had you. You already know that bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

Not only that, but it's things, man, that happened. Like, for example, some things happen in the middle that we don't plan for. Like, I might get your feet done and I find out your feet stay. Now I don't want to get your feet done no more. You know what I'm saying? So it's so it's those men type of thing. So it's not just that that um and the man needed to recognize. Sometimes it's just like, damn. You have a man that is willing to do and will do, and then you'll say, why did he stop? And you don't recognize that you didn't show appreciation. He didn't change, you changed him. You changed his mode because we're gonna read and react. Like we brought up in the sports analogy earlier. If you keep trying to run the ball and they defensive line too good, you have to start passing. So the same thing is that if I keep doing this same thing with you and I'm treating you good, and I'm doing all this, and I'm not getting the reciprocation I desire, I clearly need to change my game plan. And it's not always about money or sex.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

You gotta change your game plan, you can leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

Right. No, no, no. That too. That's the game plan. That's the problem. But what we're saying is that if we didn't change it, and y'all say this nigga changed on me. Yeah. No, you change them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

Yeah. I I no, I listen, I agree. I agree that if you're not, if you're not getting what you desire, if your cup is not being filled, then yes, you should get out of the fucking situation. I agree with that, okay? But at the end of the day, if you don't keep giving and giving and giving, if you've seen that there's not being reciprocated. Because at some point, like what the fuck, what you waiting on? Well, see here's what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

Well, here's the thing too. Like you said, let's okay, now let's take away that's my problem. Let's take away, let's take away common sense because clearly I lack it. Let's take common sense out of the conversation. Yeah, let's take common sense out of the conversation because, like you said, all things uh ultimately get revealed. Sometimes we're blind to those signals, even though they stare at us right in the goddamn face. But my my my take of it is that one thing I've learned a long time ago and I made peace with, that I'm never gonna change the type of person who I am. I'm a giver, I'm a provider, I'm a doer, I'm gonna be there, I'm a present person. What I've allowed to happen in the past is the people that I've dealt with or the situations I've dealt with, like sometimes the person I was dealing with caught the brunt of my frustration from the other situations. So therefore, I would take all the energy I needed to deal with the situation 95 to 99% work related, that that 0.05% that I got left for the person, for the young whatever young lady I was dealing with, she got the brunt end of the stick. So that changes. So then that 0.5% that I'm giving to you, that I are all I got left, if you don't appreciate that, you know, sometimes you don't even say thank you. I I it me doing as much as I do for you becomes so regular. Yeah, it becomes mundane.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:48

And they start feeling entitled, they don't even say thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

And to me, that's more hurtful than anything. Yes. I and I agree with you because I'm a giver. I am a huge giver. I know people probably think find it hard to believe, but I'm a huge when I when I'm into you, I give and I give and I give, right? And what and that's what makes me stop giving is when that person becomes entitled. When they start saying things like, Well, you got me, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

That's great. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:13

I make sure so on that bitch like, whoa, I got you. Oh, you feel entitled. Oh, so you're not appreciative anymore. You're entitled. You feel like I'm obligated to give you because I'm some weak bitch now, because you took my kindness for weakness, and now I gotta show you I'm really a savage, right? And that's when I gotta cut all ties. You know who the fuck I'm talking about. So my Whoa, oh no, that's right. My whole thing is like, don't I I'll give you, but once you start feeling entitled to it, that's when I'm gonna fall all the way back. All the way back, and you're gonna realize that that was actually a gift, that was actually a privilege. It wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't obligated to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:53

And there's men out here that appreciate how I remember a girl came and picked me up for a date, a first date. I walked out of car. I walk I walked out of the car nigga. I started work, I walked out of the car outside. I started crying. I said, What? Me? Oh my god. I ain't even gonna lie, yo, yo. Oh my god, I ain't gonna be like young like shit like that. Like we're gonna let on, put my hands in my lap, like, oh, where are we going?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

No, don't do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

I'm gonna go pick you up, Shave. Rip. I'm gonna pick you up and pay for the date. Yeah, that's it. My volume just come to the car with your drawing. Listen, pick me up, pay for the date.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

Like everything. Then tell me like, yo, just be it hit me with the text, yo, just be ready. Oh, oh yeah, we out here. We out here.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

Like it's we out here, and it turns and then it turns from appreciation to entitlement.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

Yeah, yeah. Right. I can I can definitely see it both ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

No, something that I was never entitled to. Rock is usually entitled to it. Um was that? I like the segue. What you about to do? We come to the end of the uh, we come to the end of the podcast. Thank you guys for tuning in with us again. Shout out to Mag Thor, our wonderful producer after films, Kai Ron in the building. Another episode of Everything Under the Sun. The sun is now set.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

Oh shit, you took my job.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

You see Kairan came with a skin.