Episode 45- Carly Slawson: What It Really Takes to Become a Surrogate Mother

In this episode of the Rain Brings Growth Podcast, host Matthew Sidwell sits down with Carly Slawson to discuss her recent experience as a surrogate mother and what the surrogacy process truly looks like behind the scenes.

Carly shares the full journey of becoming a surrogate, including the intense background checks, psychological evaluations, medical screenings, legal requirements, and approval process required just to be accepted into a surrogacy program. Many people do not realize how detailed and demanding the surrogate application process is, and Carly breaks down every step with honesty and transparency.

We dive deep into the mindset required to carry a baby for another family. Carly explains how she prepared emotionally and mentally to help parents who were not capable of having a baby on their own. She talks about the responsibility, purpose, and heart behind her decision and what it truly means to give the gift of life through gestational surrogacy.

This episode covers surrogacy requirements, surrogate mother qualifications, background checks for surrogates, emotional preparation for surrogacy, and what families should know about the surrogate journey. If you have ever wondered how to become a surrogate, what the screening process involves, or what motivates someone to help another family grow, this conversation offers real insight and perspective.

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Carly Slawson
Surrogate Mother and Entrepreneur
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Matthew Sidwell
Founder of MOD Fitness
Host of the Rain Brings Growth Podcast

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Thanks for coming back on though, Carly. I appreciate it. I think you're like the fourth episode or something, and now we're like 40 something. Really?

SPEAKER_03 0:30

It's going good.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah. It's been cool. And and I think last time we left off, you were just a couple months into your um your business, the salon, right? Like I think it was like when did you open that? Because we did it in like August or September of 2024.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Yeah. So I opened in 2022, spring of 2022. So this is going on the third year owning.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Oh, I was way off then. I thought you had just barely finished the construction part of it at the new spot.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Yeah, I think I was like two years in.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Oh, okay. Yeah. How's that been going since?

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Good. It looks like you guys are always busy. So yeah, yeah. It's a good business to be in. Uh it's always thriving.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Yeah, it's a cool spot too.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

So I guess when you get good girls, they treat their clients well, then you know, people like to come back.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

So that's it, yeah. And then you were just barely getting started on your surrogacy journey. I think you were just taking the the meds and the shots and stuff to just getting ready for I don't even know what happened. So I'll have to have you fill me out like the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

So I'm eight months postpartum right now. So I went through the whole journey since we've seen you last of IVF and getting the embryo, growing the baby. Postpartum now.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

So yeah. So what's the what exactly is the IVF? I don't I've heard of that term, but I don't really know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

So IVF is like synthetic, right? So it's like drugs you give yourself to think your body to make it think it's like naturally pregnant. So um they create an embryo with the parents' DNA, and then you take the like it's um oil progesterone that you take, and then you take another shot. So it's like about 12 weeks of taking shots for this. Um yeah, it's a lot. The oil progesterone is miserable. Yeah, what's that like? What is that do? Um so when you're naturally pregnant, your body makes that right. So um to trick your body into thinking it's making its own, um, you have to insert you have to take these drugs to help to help boost it, to help the pregnancy stick and everything. So um the IVF clinics go off a natural cycle. So like when I'm you know, like when a woman ovulates and all that, then that's what it mimics.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Okay. Yeah. So is it like just 12? So you gotta do 12 weeks and that gets you to a certain point, and then that's when they want to start doing like the well, you start taking the meds prior.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

So let's say like five to six weeks prior, and then when you go get the the embryo inserted, then after that, then you take it for another five, six, seven weeks after. But as soon as you get the embryo, it's seven days, seven to nine days, and you can have a positive pregnancy test, and you're already like three to four weeks along about okay. So that that that helps because those drugs help like the embryo's already created, so everything's boosted along. So really, like you're a month ahead in the game.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

So going into like even before that part, like for them to pick you and all that, like how does that whole thing work? And then like, because you have to know when you're gonna start taking the shots, and then like there's other stuff that leads up to that point.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

It took me about a year to get like applied with the surrogacy agency, then for them to run medical background, then um like a criminal background check because they want to make sure you guys aren't criminals when you carry someone else's baby, and then you go from there and then you have to match with the family, so you have to like them and they have to like you. Could be from anywhere, it could be from overseas, it could be from the US. Um, a lot of other countries ban surgacy in their countries, so like Italy just banned surrogacy. Um, there's other countries like Israel, they don't allow it, so they have to find American surrogates to now carry babies for them. And I think I also believe China's banned as well. Is that like a religious thing or those certain countries or yeah, it could be like I know in Italy they don't see it as God's child, so they like put a ban on it. Um, and I don't I don't know the reasoning behind that, but um I know in America it's a huge industry, like twenty-two point eight billion dollars invested in surrogacy right now, and they're looking at it to grow to like over 200 billion in the next couple years.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

So is there a big fertility issue in America?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yes, so it's pretty big. Um the intended parents I carry for, they couldn't have a child of their own or carry full term, so they had to look into surrogacy for that.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

So do you think the the fertility issue is like has stuff to do with just like genetics or things that are I don't know what people say like things that are in the water, but like is it really like like food issues?

SPEAKER_02 5:33

I almost think it's in the water, but um, yeah, so it it it's based from family history and then the women that usually can't carry, they usually have like cysts or other um problems with fertility due to something in their life where it what if it started whether like when they first got their first mental cycle. But they say when you're in the womb, your eggs are created, they're predisposed, right? So if you something happens to like the baby in utero and they don't drop enough eggs because they say it's predetermined, then sometimes that has an effect. Um so there's just a lot of different things, whether it's health, diet, vaccine injuries, or other stuff like that, it's pretty big.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Do most people just end up finding out through a doctor that they can't have babies or they have to go through like a fertility doctor or something, or how's that something like the stories I've heard of couples trying and then not being able to conceive, then they have to go the next step to a fertility doctor.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Then they have to be on the meds to try to conceive, right? So then um people probably are trying for years and years before they realize they have to end up having a circuit.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah. Dang. Okay, so then you got you went through the whole background check, and you remember you said that your husband had to go through the background check too, so it was pretty extensive. Yeah, and then you didn't even and you didn't tell him either.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

I didn't tell him. I was I mean, it's kind of like that ask for permission or ask for forgiveness later. Um, so yeah, he's still a little sour about it. But after the whole experience, he is now on board.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah. So when you start taking the shots, what kind of side effects were you getting with that, with like making your body think that you were pregnant?

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Um, I didn't really have any side effects. I did have a little bit of weight gain, but that's you know, when you're pregnant, you do gain weight. I think I gained like 50 pounds through the whole pregnancy? The whole pregnancy, yeah. And that's been about so prior with my two kids carrying them, I gained about the same weight.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

So then once at what point do they do the implant? How does that work?

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Um, so I think it's about the five to six weeks into taking the I can't remember the full time of taking the shots. It's kind of a blur. But um it's luprin, lupron, you have to inject with a smaller like insulin needle in the stomach area, and then you have to go towards taking when you get off of that, then they have to regulate your cycle, and then when they regulate that, then you start taking the oil progesterone, and that stuff is crazy. Like, I looked at the size of the needle, I'm like, that has to be inserted in my back. Oh, geez, and my husband does not do needles, so I had to give them to myself, and that was miserable.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Was that like a 20-gauge needle or something?

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Well, you have to like draw it up, yeah, with I think like it's like an 18 gauge, yeah, and then you have to insert it with like a 20 gauge.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Oh, geez, yeah, yeah. For my TRT, it's like draw with an 18, but then you got like a 25 gauge for insert, so it's not terrible, but yeah, it was a pretty large needle.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

But I was like, when I first saw the the 18 gauge, I'm like, holy yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

How often do you have to insert?

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Um, you have to do the same time every day. So it's it's one injection a day at the same time every day for the amount of weeks that they recommend.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Is it a pretty big dose each time?

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Um, I want to say it was like one milliliter or two milliliters.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

That's pretty big, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

I can't, it's it's kind of a blur. Yeah. It's kind of like that pain you kind of block out.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

But I would say for people that want to look into circacy, that that shouldn't defer. I mean, needles shouldn't defer. It's just, you know, it's a short, it's a short-lived pain. It it didn't like scar me for life. But but I mean, if you are someone that hates needles, definitely wouldn't recommend this for you because it's it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yeah. On the parent side, the the um biological parents. I have a buddy that was talking about they did the whole IVF thing and they gotta pick like kind of if it was a boy or a girl, like because they can tell, I guess, from the eggs or something, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Yeah, so when they create this the under a microscope or whatever, they can see if it's a male or a female. So um they that's in the egg, right? Yeah, they have boys and girls saved, so they picked a girl for their first child, and then I'm hoping they pick a boy for the second one. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Yeah. Yeah, he was telling me how expensive it is for just storing the eggs. Like you have to like they said they bought it in bulk, which I guess you can buy. So they got like a deal for storing it for three years, but he's like, it's around like nine hundred bucks a month just to store them.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Oh wow, like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Well, once you get once you get to like the month to month, you can buy it a little bit cheaper for the duration, but then once you get to month to month is like 900 bucks. I'm like, Toledo.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah, I I asked the intendant parents if they would ever think about relocating their embryos here, and they said no. Um, because it like the transfer fee and everything, you don't know if they're gonna be safe in transfer because they have to stay frozen. It's like I think like negative 200 or something is what they're stored at.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Like they're frozen. That's crazy that they'll still be okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Yeah, like that cold. Yeah, I guess that's that's the whole uh Star Wars thing, right? Or whatever. Captain America, all those times that they're just frozen. So, where did you have to go to get implanted then? Did you have to go somewhere else?

SPEAKER_02 11:10

There's fertility clinics all over the United States, but they had chosen one um in New Jersey. So we have to fly out to New Jersey, and then along with that medical pre-screening, the clinic, the fertility clinic also does their own pre-screening as well. So there's all these crazy tests, like you could carry this type of sickness through your semen that I forget what it's called. I would have to see. Um, but they have to test everyone for that to make sure it's not carried by any of the parents or the surrogate carrier. Yeah. Um, and then yeah, I had to do it was like a water ultrasound where they like saline, they filled saline and like had an ultrasound ultrasound me, make sure my ovaries were good and all of that.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

And then like an IV saline, and then or how how do you mean saline? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Yeah, they like filled it inside to do like an ultrasound of your ovaries.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

Yeah, and then I had to get blood drawn, and then you have to sit down with the counselor and actually like talk to a counselor and take a test, and there's just a lot that goes into it because it's not just carrying a baby, you have to be mentally stable and physically stable to do it. You can't have some psychopath carrying a baby. Yeah. You see all the lifetime movies, right? Yeah. Of the craziest. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Does it does it affect at all like your capabilities of having another child on your own later on, or is this just completely separate?

SPEAKER_02 12:41

No, it doesn't affect it. Um, they actually want you to have one child of your own before going into it. That's the qualification for surrogacy. Is that you have to be a US citizen, you have to have one live birth healthy, and then they have to be able to look at your medical records and and judge if you're going to be stable for carrying more babies.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Does it matter if you had a C-section or naturally?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Um, so they recommend not more than three C-sections first for a mom that's had more, then they they say you're at risk.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

But all surgaces are technically high-risk pregnancies because of how they're formed. Like the placenta doesn't attach the same as a normal pregnancy.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Oh, really? Yeah, can like your body knows the difference.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

So I had an incident after birth where I had a hemorrhage because my placenta didn't come out all the way. Six weeks postpartum, it decided it wanted to come loose, and my husband was rushing me to the ER at like 12 o'clock in the morning, going into surgery at one o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Yeah, it was pretty scary.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

But so is that is that normal for something like that to happen?

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Or I had asked the doctor and they said sometimes the plus the way the placenta attaches could that's why it could have got stuck in there. Um, I don't know what happened after delivery, if they just didn't measure it, or if um they had measured and didn't know like a bigger chunk was stuck in there, but I didn't have any symptoms of like fever or headaches or anything like that prior. I just one day, six weeks postpartum, it decided it wanted to come loose.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

I know a lot of they say look for the symptoms of like fever and body aches and all that, like you're sick, like it's getting infection. But I never had any of that, so it was just a strange thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

So when they implant you, what size is the baby at that point? Is it still just like the the initial where the sperm meets an egg? Like that, that's the same.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

It's very microscopic. So when they implant the embryo, they have to do like a saline sonogram too. Um so they're always um with the sonogram on your stomach, and they have to guide through it's uh how do you say the catheter method where they yeah, so they guide it, but it's like this little tiny microscopic thing, and they're like, Oh, it's inserted, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Like it like going through the fallopian tubes and all that.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

It took like 20 minutes, it took longer time to prep the room than it did to insert the embryo.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

So do you have to weigh a certain time to see if it took, or like how like that it's got it in a stable condition, or I had taken a just a normal pregnancy test at seven days and it popped positive. But then um, so with the surrogacy, they have you go for a blood draw. So I was having to go to Lab Corp in the fertility clinic here in Boise to get blood drawn to see about the positive the HCG levels or whatever, the the levels that you're tested to know that you're pregnant, so that would be really high.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Yeah, because I was wondering if you would get a false positive by all the other stuff that you were taking beforehand, like for the 12 weeks.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Would that I think so? I mean, I was in hope that that was okay, it's positive. Yeah. Um, I had a tip from another surrogate friend that did it. She said, eat a lot of pineapple. And so that week I was eating like pineapple smoothies and stuff, and they say some that in um enzyme in the pineapple helps the little embryo stick in there.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

So is that just like a tip that works for um I guess like surgacy, or is that like something that I guess scientifically they found that the enzyme in the pineapple for whatever reason helps?

SPEAKER_02 16:33

And so all the surgacy companies are like just eat a little bit of pineapple before and see.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

So I don't know if it's a myth or if yeah, I didn't know if that'd be like something that helped too for like people that were naturally just trying to have babies if they should just eat a lot of pineapple or I don't know, you would think a thing, or I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

I guess you would have to ask your doctor.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Yeah. So so then you did you have to go back in after the lab's in and then they do like ultrasound, make sure it's growing and stuff, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_02 16:59

I had to go once a week um until I had a heartbeat on the embryo.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Okay. Um what was that like when you found out there was a heartbeat?

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, to know like, okay, it's stuck, like everything's going well. You're really excited. And I had the the independent the intended parents were there a l for uh the whole time. You know, they would come to the appointments and sit with me through them. Not the blood draws, though. Those are just like easy, yeah. Like go in and get them drawn and then send them back to the lab.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

The big moments.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Yeah, yeah, the big moments, they were there.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

That's cool. Did they have to travel all the way from New Jersey then or every time to come out?

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Um how's that work?

SPEAKER_01 17:40

That'd be like expensive.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

No, so they are they're like close enough that they can. They had been live living east coast when they had gone to this fertility clinic.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

But coming back, like they're they're living in Idaho and Oh, gotcha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

I was gonna say that'd be a freaking expensive.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I know just yeah, they live they have a couple houses, so they kind of go back and forth.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

That's cool. I was gonna be like, man, that's a lot of traveling if you're doing it weekly. But I guess if it's your kid, you do anything for your kid anyway. So yeah, that's cool. So then I mean then it starts growing, and how does this affect you emotionally? Like, you know it's not your kid, but like you still have all these emotions because you're pumping yourself full of the stuff, prepping it into it, and then you're already getting pregnant too, so your emotions are high.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Like, I get this question a lot. Like, how did you do it? And I said, mentally, I went into it knowing I was doing it for a family, so I knew it wasn't going to be my child and my baby that I'm keeping. And I had honestly, I have two of my own and two stepkids, so I'm good on the kids. So I don't want any more.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Yeah, yeah, that would just be interesting. I mean, I guess maybe it'd be harder if you didn't have other kids, and so but I mean that's maybe that's why they make sure that you have a kid first, too.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

So that at least I know you know this, but like the last child for me was rough. She is a lot, and she is like 10 kids in one kid, so yeah, I'm like, I'm good on the kids. I love I love all of the ones I have.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Yeah, so that was easier for you than going through that. But I mean, you still had probably emotions and stuff just for being pregnant, right? Um, how'd Jeff do with all that?

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Well, since he didn't like have full permission for me to do this, he was a little stubborn. But um, through the journey, we got to know the family, and I think that helped me personally a lot too, and him as well. We always talk about it, but getting to know them and the purpose of why we were doing it, it really helped because then we gotta learn of like this baby's gonna grow up in an amazing home and we have nothing to worry about. I mean, we try to give our kids the best life, but knowing that this baby is going to have an extraordinary life was it was awesome to learn. Yeah, that's cool, and we had more in common with the family than we had thought originally, so it was nice, like, oh wow, like these this couple might become like long-term friends for us. Yeah, and we get to be in an open relationship and see their babies grow.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Yeah. Is that normal for most surrogate? Or is it kind of like once rare, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Cause I feel like a lot of families, I mean, um, I feel like maybe some of them don't even care to get to know the surrogate, which I think is kind of weird because it's someone growing your own baby. But um, I think the families that try to take time to get to know the surrogate, they would have a much better relationship.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Yeah. You guys were in pretty close contact besides just the appointments and stuff?

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Yeah. Yeah, we've um met up a couple times after and had dinners and lunch and stuff and seen the baby. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Did they go out to New Jersey with you guys as well for that one?

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Yeah, yeah. They had to meet us there. So the first initial appointment is like all the, you know, the clearance. So they have to make sure that um their views are on board with our views. Um what's that like what kind of views? Um, so like in facts of like um medical and vaccines and like how you want to birth the baby, how you want to um treat if something, you know, serious comes up, if they have a heart condition or they're not growing right, or things like that, you have to be on full board with how you're gonna handle certain situations and you have to be open about it. These things can't be sugar coated.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah. Is that sometimes like a red flag for people and then they just stop the process at that point?

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Oh, yeah, because if you have two different people that have different views on how things it could get really bad.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Yeah. Is that a long process going over each and every scenario, or how does that work? Is it like paperwork ahead of time?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yeah, so you there's lawyers involved and there's also like counselors and stuff, so you would sit down and like talk about. This stuff and say, like, I don't think this is right. But if this happens, I'm you know, you have to be you have to be mentally okay with if something bad is going to happen. So the counselors just sit in there and kind of tell you what could happen if X, Y, and Z happens, then you know how to handle it when it comes up. And then also you're signing papers from the lawyers saying, like, you're covered, they're covered, this is where we meet in the middle. So it's extensive. Like the lawyer, I think, took about six weeks, maybe longer, to get all the documents written up and sent back to both of us to sign.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Do you have to have all that figured out before you start doing all the injections and everything? So that's like in the pre-screening part. Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

When you sign on that part, um, so you sign the document and then you can now get the meds mailed to you to start. So gotcha. It's kind of extensive. I didn't realize like how um how long. And I also we had traveled outside the US, so the Zika virus in Circusy is big because the baby's head size can shrink from the Zika virus. Um, so I actually had to wait the three months to see if I even was carrying that.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

So that was another test they gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Does that depend on which country you go to? That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yeah, it's like a CDC guideline of like if they're more exposed to the Zika virus than the testing you have to go get, I guess. I don't know the whole thing with the CDC, but um, but yeah, she said every every country is different, they have different hikes in that and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

So I guess you guys didn't really have the whole finding out if it was a boy or girl checkup then. No, you guys already knew that going in. Yep, no, no uh experiences, but so what was that like for you managing doing I mean being a parent already of two kids plus two of the stepkids and a full-time job, and now you have the surrogacy on top. Was it a lot going on, or was it just like another day in the office for you?

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Yeah, it was it was definitely you're pulled in a lot of different directions, but I told myself to it's okay to like take time for my family and for myself during this experience. So um I stepped back from the salon just a little bit, not I mean, all my clients know, like, oh, she was in there working all the time, but yeah, I had set different hours for myself of like I could go home and rest before having to grab my kids from school and then um with my stepkids, like their sporting events and graduations and all of that, just making sure I was able to be there for that.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yeah. What did your kids think about you having a kid that wasn't gonna be there, brother or sister? Or I mean, I don't remember what you say it was a girl.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Yeah. Yeah. My two little ones, they they would acknowledge like I had a pregnant belly, but I had told them this is for another family, like we're growing it for another family. And I just wanted to teach them how important that is to help someone out like that. Like it's the most selfless thing you can do. I mean, yes, you're getting compensated a good amount, but just show them that you can give up yourself to someone else and help them out. And I just wanted them to see that, and maybe someday we'll talk about it more. But right now they're like, Where where's the baby? I'm like, Well, yeah, she went to another family, remember?

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

So just trying to educate them a little bit. Maybe this next time around we'll go differently with their mentality.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah. So what was it like then going through the whole process getting bigger? And like um, you had to keep just going in on checkups, or was there anything different than a regular pregnancy? Because you you said it was high at risk, so just to checkups were.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

So I ended up having too much fluid around the baby. Um, the last, I think it was the last six weeks of the pregnancies. So I had to go in weekly for stress test, which they just hook you up to a monitor and make sure the heart the heartbeat's going good. Um, and then by week two or three of that, they noticed that the fluid was back to normal level. And by that time I was already almost due. So they just had me keep coming in for weekly checkups just to make sure baby was fine. She was health, healthy, and happy, and um, she was eight pounds 12 ounces, like two pounds bigger than my kids were. So it was a lot. So, what was the birth like?

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Did you guys have to get induced, or did you just naturally break your water, or how'd that happen?

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Yeah, so I um I had been induced with my kids prior. So the doctor's like, let's just go ahead and induce you, set an induction date, and if you go into labor before that. Um, but I don't have c-sections, and so we just did the Pitocin and then naturally birthed. So um, yeah, it took it took about I think 10 to 11 hours from like start a Pitocin to breaking my water to delivering her.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

So you did natural birth, no epidural?

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Oh no, epidural. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like naturally the other way.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

I had a buddy that had both of his kids have been done natural and no epidural, and no, and I think they did both home births too. And I was like, dang, dude, you're yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

I really wanted the parents in there. My husband was a little skeptical at first because he's like, oh, you want them in there, like looking, and I'm like, no, they don't have to look, but I want them in there, like the second the baby comes out, it's theirs. Like that moment for me as a parent was amazing. So I wanted to share, make sure they had every little bit of experience tied in with that because that's that's like the mo that's like the money right there. It's like seeing the baby come out and them immediately taking was like I don't think you would ever see like anything like that before.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Did they do skin on skin and all that good stuff?

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Yeah, so the tear like just the experience in the room, like the well, how do you say it? The just the feeling, yeah, the aura from them was amazing. My husband was a lot of help too. So I was like the first time you ever helped that much. Yeah, not like that for the other two kids. But it was it was really nice having his support in there because I was like, wow, you actually helped and lift my legs and um help rotate me, stuff like that. That the doctors, the nurses needed help, or the doctors said, Okay, we'll make her comfortable, or stuff like that. I ended up having the labor shakes for like four of those hours.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

What's that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Uh so it's like when the adrenaline's too high, my body couldn't flush it, then I just you just start like convulsive, like shivering, like you're cold, but you're not, and your body's like trying to get out the adrenaline because the contractions are too close together. And so, yeah, I was pretty miserable. They're like, Do you need a blanket? Do you need this or that? And you're like, No, I I can't control it. It's just it's just happening. Yeah. But the second that we gave birth and I calmed down, that went away. So that was nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Was that one the harder of the three of your births then?

SPEAKER_02 29:20

The hardest one, or um, that was the second hardest. Yeah, I think my daughter was probably the hardest, and just she was just stubborn like she is now. So she just didn't want to come out good. Um, but definitely, I mean, I think every single child birth is an amazing experience.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

So yeah. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

As much as it hurts and you're in pain, you look back. Like, I feel like women forget so easily, like, we have this chemical in our brain that's like blocks out the pain or something because we keep going back for more. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

They say it's the worst thing, but then they never they always go back for more. So I don't know how bad it can be. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

But we wouldn't have enough kids in this world if we didn't.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

So is there a shortage of other surrogate like volunteers right now, or does it seem like it's pretty good? I mean, you said it was a huge industry, so I can't imagine it'd be too big of a shortage.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

I think there is a shortage just due to medical and the all the background stuff because they weed out a lot of people in the cycle. So someone could apply and want to do it so bad, but then they could have five C sections, so they're then that you know disqualifies them unless they go to their doctor and the doctor says, No, I think it's okay, I think you'll be safe. Sometimes they'll allow that. Um, and also the fertility clinics weed out a lot of people as well. So, like if you were let's say like I was eligible for my first time, but then with my hemorrhage, and like if I have any different stuff come up, then I could be disqualified for my second time, just depending on like what they find in my blood test. Like if someone were to have cancer at the time they're applying or anything like that, they'll make sure that it's treated before. But then that puts you at a higher risk of not being able to carry a child later.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Yeah. What about those states that have like legal marijuana and stuff like that? Do they do drug tests? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Yeah, you have to be um smoke free. Most of the time they don't like you to have like cats in your house, um, like certain things like that. Like, yeah, drug-free, alcohol-free, smoke-free.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

How long do they want you to be alcohol free for?

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Well, just the term of the pregnancy. Oh, just yeah, okay. I didn't know if that was like something like that. They don't want you to be an alcoholic, but like if you have like a leisure drink with friends on a weekend. Oh, gotcha, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

I don't know how strict they were. I figured they'd be pretty strict guidelines, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Just obviously an alcoholic, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully. You'll probably be disqualified if you had any addictions like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Yeah. What's the what's the like process just to get in? Like you have to fill out your paperwork and then I guess you gotta do the background checks, but how many people actually get through the whole process? Is there like is it pretty rare to actually go all the way through?

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yeah, a lot and a lot of people, I don't know, once you sign the legal document, it's kind of hard to back out. You can always back out if you feel uncomfortable. But as soon as you go to that fertility clinic and you get that embryo, there's no backing out. It's you're in it for the long haul.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

What happens at that point? Like, if there's any issues with the pregnancy or it doesn't take or anything like that, is there any repercussions against you or like Yeah, so they have in the legal contracts, they have like if um if someone were to get pregnant with their own baby and thought it was the surrogate's or the intended parents' baby, then they would have to pay back all that medical that the parents had paid for.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Um, so you really want to make sure it's not your own child. In our instance, my husband got fixed. So it definitely can't be our baby, but yeah, um, there's been stories of other surrogates that have got pregnant with their own child while trying to conceive the attended parents' child. So there's a mix-up, then they're legally tied to all of that medical back pay and everything.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

So wasn't that the plot of baby mama or something? With Amy Polar, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Yeah, I don't even think she was pregnant though. I think she had faked it.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Oh, yeah, but I thought she I think she got pregnant at the end, but it just wasn't hers. It was like the boyfriends. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Yeah, they're uh they definitely do a lot of blood draws and everything to make sure it's not fake.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

So obviously you want to do it again, so I guess it couldn't have been too bad of a process for you then, and yeah, everything was good.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Um the family had approached me when I had first met them and said that they wanted multiple children, and I was like, I don't know. I don't know what this looks like. So I told my husband, I'm I'm gonna see how my first journey goes. And if it goes good, then I'm up for doing it a second time. And he's like, Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. So now that we're postpartum, it takes about six months um from new contracts to new lawyers to all this stuff to get. So we're just now starting our next round to get IBF again, hopefully in August.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Dang. And so do they prefer, I mean, the parents they would prefer to have the same surrogate mom then, since they already know established a racial relationships and everything with you then.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

It took them over a year to find me. Um, they had many attempts with other surrogates and it failed, or they just didn't get good vibes. But um, from the feedback I've heard from the parents is that everything can look good on paper, but if you don't have that great connection with the surrogate, then it's not even worth doing, you know? So they must have felt some kind of certainty with me after meeting me and signing the papers and everything that everything was gonna go good. Um so what's that process like?

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Do they does your I don't know how it works, like does somebody just tell you like you had a match or something? You want to go meet each other?

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Like Yeah, so I go through an agency. So the agency contacts me, emails me, and says, This person would like to meet you. And we usually meet on like a Zoom call.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Um, so we're all like on the camera on the Zoom, like, hi, for the first time. My husband wanted to play a prank and like show up like looking like a gangster. Yeah. And I was like, no, first impressions, we're not doing that. But the agency was like, Oh, that would have been so funny if you would have done that. I'm like, yeah, no, we're not doing that. The first time meeting them.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

How many matches did you get before you got selected on this one?

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Um, so they were the first match that and we matched, you know, from the same area.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Idaho to Idaho, which doesn't really happen. And they said that they had never had one this close in the whole time they've worked for the agency. They said the closest one before that was like a two-hour drive. We're like a 30-minute drive. So it was just nice knowing that we were so close and that if I needed anything or they needed anything from me, that we were close by and like uh we did the 3D images at towards the end, and I had just set up that appointment and they just had to meet me there. So that was nice. They didn't have to fly in from another state to come see it or stuff like that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Yeah. Was that interesting for you the first time you guys met in person?

SPEAKER_02 36:42

I think that was like the that was like the best thing about like meeting them for the first time, the anticipation of like, what are they gonna be like? Just trying to know get to know them. But I think that was good meeting them. That was like the one of the funnest memories I have.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Yeah, that's cool. What do you think is some stuff about surrogacy that people don't know that they should know?

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Um, there's so gestational carriers where I wasn't the egg donor and it had nothing to do with my DNA. It was fully their DNA. So they had grown it, and then I'm just the carrier for it.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

A lot of people think that it's it's like just a sperm donor then. Yeah, deal with the misconception.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

The misconception is there's like a little bit of that that happens, but most of the time, 99% of the time, it's going to be their egg and their sperm mixed to create their embryo. Um, but there are cases where parents do ask them to donate their eggs, so it's like 1% of that and 99% of the just gestational.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

So it'd be half of your baby then at that point?

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Yeah, and sometimes people are compensated if they want that. Like if they don't want to have their own kids or they have a couple that can't have their own and they don't have an egg donor. Oh, but there are a lot of egg donors out there. That's like a whole nother thing. Like on the other half of surrogacy, is like there are a lot of people that go and donate their eggs for money or donate their sperm for money because of people that can't have their own.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Okay. So that's a whole different kind of thing then.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yeah. Yeah, it's a crazy industry. I don't know like how much money is into that side of it, but I know that this industry is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Is there like a I don't know if markets are the right word, but like if say you're an anti-vax person or a vaccination person, like can your donor I don't know, you're not you're the donors, the person, your client or whoever, could they pick who they want depending on like your own beliefs?

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Yeah, so usually um I've seen on other um agencies that they have like a list of like um the parents want they want to have like an open relationship after, and they want to have a non-vaxxed surrogate, and they want to have, or they want to have a vaxxed surrogate, or you know, certain things like that. So um I had made sure in my profile to say, like, I'm a hairstylist, so I'm around chemicals. Um that I wasn't wanting to be vaxxed, and like all this stuff that they had read in my profile that I was willing to do this or that, you know. So having that stuff like written out is really good. I see a lot of people do that on like their profiles, so like they have it's almost like a dating thing where you're like That's what it seems like yeah, you're matching, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

You're matching, yeah. Seeing how the aura feels.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Yeah, yeah. It has to be a really good emotional physical connection, I guess, in certain different ways and friendship and so what's the vaccinations then?

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Is that completely different than um the stuff that you had to put in for the IVF?

SPEAKER_02 39:57

So when you go to the clin the IVF clinics, they do um they draw your blood and they make sure you're immune to all these things. So like I had already had the chicken pox as a child. I had already had like all those childhood vaccines, and so I was I was immune to everything. Um, and they say like if you didn't like you're you're allowed to deny like the flu vaccine, the COVID vaccine, the hepatitis vaccine? I mean, no, like those type of things. You're allowed to deny those, but if you're not immune to them, they're more likely to say, like, oh, we need to get it to where you are immune, I guess. I don't really know the whole gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

And is that coming into play too when you guys have to check what you're okay with with it coming when it comes to like vaccinating the baby then?

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Or is that not your once it's born in the bigger?

SPEAKER_02 40:51

So I I was anti-vax, so I didn't want to be loaded up with a bunch of other stuff. So um just making sure that they were okay with that. I wanted to know like if this is a deal breaker, then I need to find another match. Yeah. Because I wasn't willing to do that.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

But what about after the baby's born and vaccinating the baby? Is that anything you have a say of or no?

SPEAKER_02 41:11

No. Okay, it's all theirs. So and then everything in like in the delivery room. So like I had to make sure they were they were okay with me getting an epidural and stuff. Like, are you okay with that? Do I do I have to birth it naturally? So they kind of have a lot of say in that as well.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

Would you have done it naturally if they wanted to do it naturally?

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Uh it would have been hard. I mean, I think I would have tried.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

Um well, I mean, at that point you can't like yeah, you can't be like, I'm gonna try it. And then if it'll give it to me and they're like, nope.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yeah, yeah, you'd have to stick it through. Yeah. I mean, they would probably be able to give you like painkillers or something to let up on the pain, but I don't think they have anything strong enough to kill it besides that bedural. So yeah, I mean, that's something that definitely have to talk about before you get pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

So that couldn't be like a deal breaker then, though, if you said I don't want the kid to be vaccinated, that's not even like a check mark box that you have to go through and agree on.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

That's just like Yep, that's only if if I don't want to be vaccinated, I have a say in that, but I don't have a say to what they're gonna do with their baby afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Once the baby's delivered, then that's where your guys' contract is up, pretty much. And it's at their hands.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Yeah. Well, legally on a birth certificate, I would be the mom, but since the state has this form where you can fill out and everything gets transferred.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

So legally, this I don't know if it's every state does it like this, but Idaho had it to where I was on the birth certificate and then the courts transfer it over to them because they're the legal parents.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Gotcha. How's that gonna be like later on when because you guys are gonna do like an open relationship?

SPEAKER_02 42:51

You guys like the kids growing up, and then they'll just know like this is who carried you, and then um just knowing the story of like mommy wanted you, she couldn't carry you herself, but we had a circuit come in and help grow you, and that's how we have you today. And I think that's an amazing story to I don't think that should be hidden in a society of like, oh, I think everyone's more open to telling their child, this is how you came into my life in my world, and we're proud of it, you know. You came here happily and healthy, so that's cool that you guys will be a part of it too, and you'll be able to. I hope I hope we can have like a long-term relationship.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Because for me, seeing that baby grow and like how amazing she's taken care of in this family, it just makes what I did have more of a purpose.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Yeah, that's awesome. How many do you think you want to end up doing?

SPEAKER_02 43:46

I think I wanna just have the one more. Um, now, if there's a high likely possibility that they could insert one embryo and one embryo splits into twins.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

I would be okay with carrying that, but I don't want to have. Like twins inserted. I just think that's a good thing. Oh, can that be a possibility? You can do that. Yeah, you can do multiple, and they can do up to two embryos, I think. Um, so you could possibly be carrying twins to start out with, but then the embryos can actually split once they get inserted.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

So you could have quads.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Yeah, that would be crazy. Dang.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

That's crazy. I I guess there was a whole bunch of this I never even knew about.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Uh the for I guess early on the fertility clinic here, they had a lot of triplets born because they were inserting two or three embryos at one time. And so there are like a high amount of triplets and twins in this area from that.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Dang. Is that just the same contract? Or once you find out that there's multiple, do you have to re-renegotiate the contract at that point?

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Yeah. So if they do happen to split, then at the end of the at the end of the pregnancy, then you start getting paid out for the double thing. It's not too much more, but you do get compensated for having. And then like if you have to have a C-section or a surgery or anything um within the postpartum time, then you get paid extra for that as well.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Was any of this out of pocket for you?

unknown 45:14

No.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

So it's all covered, travel expenses, everything like that?

SPEAKER_02 45:17

Yep, everything's covered. So you in the contracts they state everything. Like I got a housekeeper bi-weekly, I got clothes, I got um meals, you know, they help out with a lot.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Okay. Yeah, so there's a lot more to it than just, I mean, there were a lot more, I shouldn't say benefits, but like you're you're taking care of.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Yeah, you're taking care of, yeah. Pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

I wish someone took care of me like that when I had my own kids.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah. Dang. Yeah, that's crazy. I know I think you you sent me a text and asked me if Ashley was interested, and I asked her, and she said she was she didn't think she was even uh able to or whatever because she's so short.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Moms that have carried their child and are now capable of still having a pregnancy, this is a good option for them because you can still work your full-time job and you can still do all the things that you're gonna do. It might be a little harder mentally, but then you have this other thing of like you're capable of doing it, so helping another family would be amazing if you could.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Yeah. What about like in our case where we've had a special needs kid? Is that a disqualifier?

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Um, I don't I don't actually know that. I think um through like the testing and stuff, but it's not even it's not your egg and your sperm.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

So the genetic exposure there, I don't think it they would look more at like if all of them were healthy in the womb and stuff like that than yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

I think they more have just look like at the criminal background and the the blood test, like if you do carry something that you're not that you can pass to something in utero, they do look at that.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Right. Okay, well that's interesting then. Because I was wondering that like when you said that, I was like, oh well, but that makes sense. It'd be something that's genetically passed down, not uh not like something that was a disease.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

And that would be something you'd have to ask like their fertility doctors and in like double check with them.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Uh yeah, that's interesting. Um what else what else do people know about the surrogacing thing? Because there's there's a bunch that I didn't even know, so I'm sure there's still more.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

Yeah, um, let's see any facts that I know.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Do you um do does it do any different if like the donor is from out of the country? Like, is there any other protocols? Like if they want you to go and get like implanted in another country, would they do that or would they have to ship it into the U.S.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

So usually it's not legal, so that's why they have a a US-based surrogate.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

So they would come here and then put all their babies here.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Someone from out of the country that's looking, like at the intended parent that's looking for the circuit, would have to like find a fertility clinic in the US to take them on. And then they would travel here. Um, I've heard of like other families that are from out, like they would come like two or three weeks before the baby's due. So they wouldn't, they would only talk on the phone or come to the first fertility, you know, transfer and then then they would just go back to their country and then fly back before the baby's born. A lot of um, so I know in California, they have to go through like the the embassy there to get now the papers to go back to their other country. Um, so it depends on what state you actually carry.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

So I think a lot of the would they have dual citizenship?

SPEAKER_02 48:38

I don't think so. I think once you like get the papers to go back to the other country, I think they're now a citizen of that country.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Gotcha. Well, I'm I'm sure they probably already got dual citizenship if they can afford to go and do surrogacy and all that too. It's not a cheap.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

I don't I actually don't know like too much. I know out of California, a lot of like the Chinese families were trying to get US citizenship through their surrogate baby.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

I don't know if that's stopped or but I've known that have a lot of people have got citizenship through that.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Gotcha. When you were filling out your pro your paperwork and everything, worst case scenario, if like something had happened to the donor parents, what happens to the baby?

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Um, so they have to line it up. They have to get someone that is now gonna step in, whether it's, you know, a friend or a family member, grandparent to step in and now take care of that child. I know there are companies out there that don't back their surrogates. And so you really have to look into what agency you're gonna go with.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

What do you mean they don't back their surrogates? Like what happens?

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Um so for instance, there's stories like in um during COVID, like a parent that was in another country couldn't make it to come get their child after it was born, and I guess the surrogate had been left with the child taking care of it, but that should have been on the agency to now step in and take care of that, not the surrogate. So there's a lot of like misconception on that. There are a lot of horror stories, but at the end of the day, there's more good stories than bad, but the bad ones only get told, right? So I think people need to look into the agency they're gonna sign with, make sure all of their payments are gonna be backed and that they are gonna get paid up front.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

There's a lot of the horror stories from not getting paid.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

Yeah, there are so I guess one company in the US just like went out, like bank didn't didn't tell anyone they were gonna be going out of business, they just left. Just and they had like surrogates pregnant, families that were paying the money. So I don't know what that happens in like legal stuff of like how people get paid back for all of that, but you put your trust in an agency and then they just get up and leave.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

So the donor will pay the agency and the agency pays you and the bills and stuff, they're the ones to take care of it.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

So if they go out of business, then yeah, the agency handles pretty much everything. Okay. Like from setting up the lawyers to setting up the IVF appointments to sending you the medication. Um they do a lot of the work. So it's really nice to have that middle man. You're not you're not having to like contact the family for too much.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Yeah, yeah. You're not like contacting, like, hey, I got this bill piling up. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

You call the agency and they help you take care of it.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Yeah, there's just a whole bunch of stuff I do and know. That's that's crazy. I thought it was like, here's your money, pop out of a kid.

SPEAKER_02 51:24

And then also with my agency, they had a trust, like a seed trust. So all the money has to be funded in that account prior to paying me, and then I'm paid a monthly payment until the end.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

So it's not paid all up front and it's not paid all at the end. So you get like a monthly salary.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

What do you look for when you're trying to find a company then?

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Um, well, I had actually applied with a company before this one, and they were just throwing red flags all over. Like they were wanting me to go straight to medical testing like the week I talked to a family. And I was like, I'm not feeling okay with that. Like, that's what do you mean like medical testing too soon? Like, they were wanting me to go get my blood drawn and like all my fertility stuff that week. And we didn't we didn't even have like an acknowledgement that I was going to have an okay with that family.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Um, and then also there was a couple other red flags. I can't remember off the top of my head right now, but I was like, okay, I'm not feeling good about this. So I backed out like as soon as I could. I'm like, I I just don't feel good about this. They also portrayed themselves as a military, um, like they wanted to help military families, and my husband's military, so I was like, oh, you know what? That's like my purpose. Help another military family. It was like Chinese military families, and I'm like, no, I'm like, I have nothing against that, but to me, they just portrayed themselves wrong.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

I thought I was gonna be helping a US military family, right? And that's just something in my mind that I was like, okay, I'm gonna help a US family grow a baby and be happy and healthy. And so I just backed out. I was like, I don't, I don't want anything to do with this.

SPEAKER_01 53:12

Do a lot of the surrogates go over um the babies go back to China because they have like the you can only have what is it, one boy, one girl, or something like that. So they want it more.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Um, I don't know. Like this, I don't know like what the statistic is for like different countries, if it's like more of like Israel, China, okay, Italy. I don't know, like I've heard of a lot of families from Israel coming over to get babies, but I'm not sure like the number.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Is there like reviews that you can read too on the each company, or is it kind of just all is there is there like a privacy thing that you are not supposed to talk about who you went with or anything like that you have to sign?

SPEAKER_02 53:50

No, um, I know for moms looking into this, they can just like post on like a mom's like a Facebook group and ask around. That's a really good for recommendation, like people that have already been through it with another agency. Um, my agency is amazing. They actually do a referral fee for the circuit. So that's really nice. It's a nice compensation. Um, I went through my donor connection, and the girls in the office are amazing. They I can call at like six o'clock at night and they'll be like, hold on, I'm with my kids, let me call you back. They're just like so open to helping you out, whatever question you have. They're usually turning around within like minutes and getting back to me, if not hours, but they never like leave me hanging for more than you know, days at a time.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Yeah. What was it initially that made you like, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do a donor, I'm gonna be a surrogate.

SPEAKER_02 54:43

Um, my first initial, so I had clients prior when I had been doing hair in Spokane, they became surrogate, and I was like, oh, that would be awesome to help a family. And then after meeting my husband and having our own kids and deciding we were gonna have no more kids, I was like, you know what? I'm still able to have children. Why not try to help another family this way? You're also compensated, which is nice, but the fact that I was still able to have children and I'm healthy, I could do it.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I was just wondering, yeah, I guess that makes sense because you talk to a whole bunch of people being in a salon.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

So yeah, I have a handful of clients that were surrogates or people that come into the salon that see other stylists that were surrogates. So just talking to them, it's like a fun little thing to like, oh, I helped this family. How did you help that family? Just talking. Um most of the people that sit in my chair, I don't know the exact, I think like one in five clients had had a miscarriage. And so talking to them about that too, of like you've there's a lot of babies lost in this world. So I think just this way of trying to help a family is amazing too, because of all the other stories you hear of other women that have lost pregnancies due to something, whether it's the environment or health reasons or what, but it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

Yeah. Is there other ways or other options for people that can't afford like a full-blown surrogacy that still have issues, or is that is that more where it comes into play? Like people donate their egg and then they just try and be like the the body, still carry it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

I had been approached by a family prior, she's a client of mine, and she wasn't able to like have her own eggs to create a baby, and so she needed an egg donor, but she also wanted me to carry her baby for her. And at that time I was still having my own kids, so it wasn't the timeline wasn't lining up, but I know that she had to get an egg donor, and it was her husband's DNA, and they um she had twins. Oh wow. So there are other, you know, to seek an egg donor, to speak a sperm donor, to whatever you need, there's a lot of different things that aren't that expensive that will help you out, but most of it does cost quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate for some people that are struggling that they can't come up with the option. But um, but it yeah, it's cool that there is other options and besides just a full-blown surrogacy. So um yeah, on the vaccine on the vaccines portion, you've sent me a lot of cool stuff that I just was interested in, obviously, because my son's autistic and stuff, but um what's some of the what's some of the stuff on like the vaccines that just are getting overlooked nowadays that you've found on your own research?

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Uh my own research for the vaccines, I have just seen that like um our body creates this amino acid called glutathione. And I've watched a couple doctors on um like podcasts and videos say that when all this stuff, like whether you're taking acetaminophen or anything like that, it depletes the glutathione in your body, which helps detox your liver and helps create new cells, that it depletes it and like our body can't get more, so we're not making more healthy cells, we're not detoxing our livers and all this stuff. And so, um, just through what I found out about the vaccines and stuff, is that the glutathione. So I actually started taking glutathione recently. Um, and it I don't know if I've like you're supposed to see like more energy and like a healthier skin balance and like all this stuff, but your body is generating new cells daily when you take that.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

Is that like a gel capsule or what is that?

SPEAKER_02 58:36

Yeah, so I take it, it's a liquid. Um, it smells like sulfur, tastes like sulfur, but it's you know, just you just take a spoonful, so it's not too bad.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Yeah. So the aceta, whatever you said, I don't even know how to pronounce it. Is that the Tylenol thing that everybody was talking about?

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Yeah, so acetaminophen is in tyle Tylenol, and they're finding out that because that depletes the glutathione in your body, that that's causing the cells not to be able to regenerate. And so that's something with the vaccines that they're finding out that um they're saying, oh, take the Tylenol when you get the vaccine, because that will like, you know, cut the chance of having a fever and all this stuff. But yeah, so there's just a lot of like backing um through my research of like I'm like the alum the amount of aluminum in a vaccine, so aluminum will settle in your brain, is what I've read. I'm not a doctor, but um yeah, that's so like heavy metals that are in our brain sitting there in our bodies, you know, in our bloodstream and stuff, probably have a lot to do with infertility.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

Oh, yeah. Well yeah, I was gonna say, is that causing like the Alzheimer's and things like that when it's in your brain, or is that something you know, is that something different? Um, I'm sure I think they call it type 3 diabetes, is what Alzheimer's is like in every every other country besides America, they call Alzheimer's type 3 diabetes.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Yeah, and I think our world is like so starved from like through my research as well. Um, we're told not to eat fat, we're told not to eat salt, we're told not to eat, you know, all those things. But our brains need fat. They needed the healthy fats and the salts that hydrate us and keep us going. I think a lot of people um are so dehydrated. So, like eating those good, healthy salts, those mineral salts and all of that help too.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

Yeah, you were telling me about Celtic salt, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Yeah, me and my husband, we do Celtic salt, and usually like on our steak or in our water, but um it just like it just makes you feel good after you eat it. You don't feel like swollen or anything from it, like your body's digesting it and like breaking up the minerals.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

What's the difference between that and like Himalayan versus just like regular table sodium salt?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Um, well, regular salt they say has iodine in it, but it oxidizes, so you actually are not getting the iodine you need. So the table salt and then like the Himalayan salt, I believe, doesn't have like half the minerals that the other salts have. So I mean I know they do have a little bit of minerals in them, but our bodies lack of all that like magnesium and everything that helps absorb the other nutrients in our body.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

Okay. Yeah, I haven't looked in the Celtic salt thing, but I've definitely I've heard good things about Himalayan. So we've always had the Himalayan from like Costco or whatever. But yeah where do you get Celtic salt from? Is that just Amazon or something?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

I had seen like other influencers like through doing um the carnivore diet, they need all those salts because they're depleted. Um so just like watching them put that on their meat and like eat, you know, eat certain things, also putting like a lot of like natural grass-fed butters in their diet and stuff, yeah, helps like the the fats go to the brain and help nutrient the brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

So yeah. What kind of what in what like in your research, what is a good healthy fat then? Just like the I mean, I don't want to be a little bit more than a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

Well, you don't want like the seed oil fats, those are bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

The seed oils, yeah. I keep hearing about those. I haven't looked too much into that either.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

What was the those are gonna be toxic for you? Um so like anything with like a soy bean oil is gonna be really toxic. Um, so you want like the whole fats. So like if you were to make your own butter, you would use like heavy whipping cream and like whip it past the whipped cream stage, and that would make a whole fat butter. Um, but yeah, just like having those heavy creams or like they say like the cottage cheese fats are really good, um, the avocado fats, avocado oil.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

What percentage of your diet should be that kind of fat?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

I don't know. I know it's more than a lot of people, a lot of people are trying to stay away from it to lose weight, but honestly, you need the proteins and the fats to help.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:59

Yeah, I was just wondering because I was I don't know the percentage. Yeah. Because like I I tell my clients to cut the fats lower because a lot of the fats that they're eating are like crappy fats.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

Yeah, exactly. So if you're adding in the good fats, so uh like yeah, fats are important for sure. Yeah. From my research, I know like through like the Alzheimer's and stuff that the the brains are so starved of that stuff. And like um I know in my my grandma's generation, she was always eating those sugar-free candies and always doing low sodium, you know, low fat because her doctor told her, you know, this, that. But I feel like now doctors are starting to see like the brains are starved of that fat. So the that's why I feel like the Alzheimer's levels are so high right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Yeah. Yeah. The nutrition books that I read, they say that you should keep your fats between like 20 and 30 percent of what it should be. But then I had a guy on yesterday too, and we were talking about how the more fats that you eat, the more weight that you can lose, as long as they're good, healthy fats. Because all calories are is like a measurement of heat, and so like proteins are four calories um per gram, where nine where fats are nine calories per gram. But if you have but you have to already be eating like like oils and things like that, like uh like your omega-3s, sixes, and nines, and those things will make your body heat already heat up more, so then that'll melt the fat, but it's already gotta be like a fat in a liquid form, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

Not just like he said not to eat butters and stuff like that, but well, you don't you definitely don't want this like the the fake butters and all of that, like that the the crunchy croc. My my husband loves country croc, and I'm like, that's so disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

So, what's the differences between the butters? I know one of them's like a hydrogen oil.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

It's like nothing good for you. Um, but like the coconut oils, the olive oils, and the avocado oils are probably gonna be a little bit better for you, like how they're broke down.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:01

Um, I know I cook with coconut oil and olive oil a lot more. I don't like to cook with any like the soy bean oil or anything. Um just because I know there are studies of like women that have been getting like dense breast tissue or like cancerous cells due to like the soy bean oil. Um, so I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

What is it inside of those that's so bad? I've heard definitely bad things about seed oils.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

I think your hormones just react from the soy and it creates like all this extra hormones in your body and then build up.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

Yeah. Yeah, I'd I personally just do a lot of avocado oil, but yeah, um, I've heard good things too about the coconut oil mixed with like MCT oil.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Um, especially for like ketones and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

But you could make like nice like salad dressings, like light, like vinegar, MCT oil. They're really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Yeah.

unknown 1:05:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

I need to get better at just like my micro dose, not micro dosing, but like my micro. Everybody talks about macros and everything, but nobody talks about like those little things like your sodium or your magnesium or these different things that really make your body feel good and running at a smooth rate, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

What's some of the things that you think that everybody should be taking as like some supplements?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Um, well, right now everyone's been commenting and like, my oh my gosh, your hair grows so long. Um, so I only do the primal queen, which is the beef organs. Um, honestly, after I had that hemorrhage, um, I started getting like cramps in my legs because I had lost so much blood. Um, and I was reading that copper actually helps reproduce the blood in your in your body. So copper, instead of taking iron, copper helped like three times more because the ferritin level in your blood, it helped reproduce it faster.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

How do you take copper? Is that just like a copper?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:57

Yeah, copper is was in the it's in the um primal queen supplement. And so I just started taking that, and honestly, within like two weeks of taking that, my leg cramps went away. It was the craziest thing, like walking long distance, both of my calves would cramp up so bad. And I was like, it has to be from that, because that was the only thing that had happened to me, all that blood loss. Um, so I just started taking that, and and honestly, it helped so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:26

Yeah, I just been taking that for like a little bit over a year now, and she's she's noticed a lot of a lot of differences as well. Uh, what was that silver thing? Was it you that was talking about the silver?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

Yeah, colloided silver. So it helps. Um, it's like a natural type of antibiotic. So, like if your children are sick or anything, it's a helps with immune. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of studies if that you should look into. They also have liquid like colloided silver, but it's copper, so you can also take that as well, which would help.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Yeah, I remember my mom's been telling me for a long time that she's taking silver, and she's like, You want some silver if you're not feeling good? I'm like, No. Yeah, cloided silver. I don't know if that's the same thing. I'm sure it is probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

She's been yeah, it's for immune.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:11

Yeah, she's been telling me for years, and I'm like, I think this is kooky or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

Also, when my kids are sick, I do a little nebulizer and I do hydrogen peroxide, cloided silver with distilled water in a nebulizer, and I make them in like inhale that. So the hydrogen peroxide actually delivers oxygen to the lungs, which then it helps like get all that phlegm out.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Oh, really? Yeah. What's a nebulizer? Is that just like a little mask that they breathe in or something?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

Yeah, it's this little tiny, you can get it off Amazon. Um, $20. You has like a little thing where you can put the liquid and then it vaporizes it and they just inhale it. Like you take a deep breath in and like let it out. But I've noticed that as like a huge game changer in my house for when my kids are sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Yeah, I was to try that out, especially for the little ones. That sucks when they're sick and they won't want to take anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

And you don't have to like stick it on their face, you can keep it away and they're still inhaling, just like a humidifier would. Yeah. But it's just for like inhaling closer.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Have you ever tried that hydrogen water or like those bottles that release hydrogen in the water?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:16

Um, so I recently tried it, it was like a canned hydrogen water, but they also have which was weird, I think it had cloided silver in the can.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

Oh really?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

That I tried, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

Hmm. What about alkaline water? I've heard different things about alkaline water. Do you know anything about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Um, I mean, just from research, like I know cancers don't like to live in like an alkaline state. So if you were to like transform your health and like only have like alkaline-based foods and drinks, I've heard helps a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:47

Have you tried that one?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

Um, I mean, I like drinking alkaline water. I think it tastes better, but oh really? I haven't like fully tried to eat just an alkaline-based diet.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

I got a buddy that's got like the alkaline thing on the sink, and then like he'll pick the pH level that he wants and then it'll spit it out or whatever. But I don't know, it seems pretty crazy to me. Yeah, I don't know. I should probably look more into those things, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:08

Well, I've I follow Gary Brecka. Do you ever watch his stuff? Yeah, the 10X guy or whatever. Yeah, they're always drinking the hydrogen water, like they say it makes them feel so good. So it must like release like oxygen throughout your blood cells and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:21

Yeah, I think that there's a lot of different things you can do to improve your health, but like at least stick to like the first things first.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

I've been wanting to try the methylene blue. Have you heard much about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

I've heard about it. I haven't it's supposed to make your pea blue or something, right? Or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:34

Well, yeah, it's like a very it's like a dye almost, but it's not um Yeah, what's it supposed to do? Just everything, like everything with like the cellular um reproduction in your body. So like a lot of people are really depleted in that. So they don't they don't have any new cells growing to help healthy cells. Um, and that's like our livers are bogged down, you know, people are getting um like pancreatitis and like all this other stuff going on with them. But I think it if they did have that in their life, they would probably be a lot healthier.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

Yeah, I've heard good things about fasting too to like reset your body. I've never been a faster, but um, one of my buddies is doing like a 10-day fasting challenge here in February. I told them I'll like I'll try out and do a 72-hour, and Ashley doesn't even like being around me after doing trying to do something.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:27

I don't really call it like a fasting for me, but I definitely don't I don't eat until like 10 or 11 in the morning. So I'm like not I'm eating dinner and then I'm sleeping and then I'm not eating. So I'm kind of in like kind of in a fasting state, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

My problem with fasting for people that are trying to lose weight is that they think they can just skip breakfast, but they don't have to replace the protein that they would have eaten in those hours.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

So like just because you skipped and didn't eat till noon and you're only for eating from noon till eight doesn't mean that that protein that you're supposed to eat from breakfast and your snack in between, like that you're missing like 40 grams of protein. Now all of a sudden it's okay for you just to eat 100 grams of protein if you're supposed to get 140. Like you still you still need to get all that protein in just in a smaller window. And that's what people that a lot of people don't understand. And so like, yeah, I'm losing weight, but it's like, what are you losing? Are you losing muscle?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:16

Yeah, losing well, you see a lot of people that are taking the new weight loss shots, yeah. The GLP ones and threes, and yeah, they're so depleted and like they're losing their hair, they're losing their muscle, like they're not even hungry to eat protein. But I feel like those people they have to force themselves to eat more protein because they're so depleted.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

Can you tell people that come in to your salon like just from how their hair reacts to things if they're like on a GLP one or anything without even talking to them? Just like the yeah, the health of their hair, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:47

You'll have someone come sit in your chair and like, oh my gosh, I'm losing so much hair. And you're like, Well, are you doing weight loss shots? And they're like, Yes. Okay, well, that's our first, that's our first key is like what's happening in the body to make the hair release. So usually when hair is released, um, too soon it will have a little bulb on the end, like a little piece of skin. Um, that's because it wasn't in its shading, it's shedding phase. So a shedding phase is the hair would just fall out naturally without that bulb on it. And so a lot of the time, which I've been doing more research on, the ferritin level in your blood, if it's too low or too high, your hair will start falling out. And not a lot of not a lot of like doctors will check that level, which is crazy that I'm like, well, why wouldn't you check that? You know, if if that's like the root cause, why wouldn't you check that? So a lot I think a lot of people are deficient in iron and copper and all this other stuff that they don't they don't even know. Like copper was taken out of a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

Is that a lot of times what happens with those GLPs? Is it just depletes those then?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

If they're not I don't think it just depletes that. I think you're just depleted on every you know, you're not you're not hungry, so you're not eating the right amount of nutrients that you're supposed to. Um, I know doctors sometimes will say, like, eat the keto diet if you are on those shots because the they need to get the fats.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

Oh, right. Yeah, I'd see a lot of people they are on these shots, but then they aren't exercising and they aren't eating correct correctly, so then your body's just pulling from your muscle more than it's pulling from your fat. You might be losing some fat, but yeah, in in your body's eyes, it's thinking like all my only job is to survive. So I need to live as long as I can. I don't need this muscle to survive. I need the fat because fat is what's gonna be the stored calories for longer time. So then you start seeing these people with like the sunken eyes and stuff from the GLPs. And yeah, like it's a good, it's a good drug, like to get someone started. Like, I think everybody if you need a boost, that's fine. I'm not against the GLPs. I just think that you need to be also exercising and eating properly and not just relying on the drug only for your weight loss.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:00

Yeah, it's kind of used and abused in some ways because I know some of these women they they should be doing other things, like they should be yeah, working out and doing all this stuff, and also like adding the good stuff in your body to make up for what's depleted. So I think that um these doctors that are prescribing these injections should be having a backed regimen for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

Right. Yeah, not just here's your shot, you'll like here's your shot, yeah, here's your workout plan, here's your own.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Seven pounds in the first week of doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

Right. Yeah, I mean, because I mean you're gonna see weight loss, but that's just thing, like if you're not checking to see how much of the weight you're losing from your muscles versus you're losing from fat, then yeah, you're gonna see that scale move, but you're not losing it from the right direction. Yeah. I talked to a lot of women, like as potential clients, and just talking to them, and they're like, I'm not, I'm afraid to go to the gym to lift weights because I don't want to get all bulky. And I'm like, the more muscle you have, the smaller you will be.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:55

It's gonna take a lot to get bulky.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:57

I'm like, you know how hard it is for me to put on any muscle? I'm sorry, I I get so offended with people like, oh, I'm gonna get bulky. I'm like, I've been trying, it's so hard. Like the the more you lift weights, the smaller you're gonna get, and then you just gotta stop paying attention to the scale because you gotta pay more attention to like how your clothes feel. How does like how how does how do you feel, you know? Because yeah, if you lose a pound of fat but you gain a pound of muscle, like that scale's not gonna change. Yeah, so like stop paying attention to the scale number and just go hit the weights.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:28

It's hard for me as a mom to like figure out a schedule, like a business owner, a mom, then I've carried multiple babies. So for me, like figuring out what's good for me, I think I thrive more on like a Mediterranean um carnivore diet, like a mix of that because that like I really like my steak and all of that, but I also love like I crave like the cucumbers and the salads and like the vinaigrette and stuff like that for me. And I love fish, I love seafood. So I think that's like a good mix for my health. Um and then also just getting like those fats, like the butters that we said were bad for us and the oils that we said were bad for us. I like incorporating those into my diet, my everyday diet.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Well, it's not that they're bad for you, like it's just it's just in moderation, yeah. Just making sure that you're not I mean, yeah, because like especially like the butters, if they're uh like high grade one like you're talking about, or the oils that are high grade for you and they're good for you. Yeah, it's it's more of like I don't know, when people are eating just these, you know, like if they're eating a lot of sweets that are high in fat or they're eating things that they think are high in protein, but then you look at the nutrition label and there's more fat in them than there is protein, like you know, like a hot pocket or something like that. It's like nine grams of protein, but it's like ten grams of fat. So yeah, it's like those kind of fats that you like you gotta be watching. But if it's natural stuff, the closest you can get it to the natural state, like that's fine. Like like oils, and it's when you start making those like oils into like whipped cream or like you know, like hydrogenated oil or things like that, you know. Yeah, but I'm I'm not against oil.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

Have you seen anything much on like uh colosserum? No, I'm not like the like the so I've been seeing a lot of is that what's in the breast milk? Uh yeah, so colossarum is made from breast milk, so or it's in the breast milk for babies, but also they're now like packaging a lot of like cat like dried cow colosserum. And um, I'm actually taking a supplement that's um it's it like for life transfers, the brand or the the packaging, but it has cow colosserum, it has cloided silver, aloe, marshmallow root, and it's a spray and you spray it in your mouth, but it's for immune support. And so I think like they're finding out like a lot of this cow colosserum, it's high in fat, but it's going it's like really healthy for us, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:53

What's it for? Is it just for like spraying and everything?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Yeah. So you just do like a couple sprays a day. Um, they say if you're like for kids, you can spray it in their mouth. Um, if they're gonna go around and be at school or go to the playground or wherever they're gonna be around a lot of germs, yeah. You could spray it for immune defense for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:11

Gotcha. Hmm. Yeah, I haven't heard anything on that yet, but I'm sure it'll sure it'll make its way around to my algorithm.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:17

Yeah, and I know I follow this brand cowboy colosserum, but I haven't tried it. I'm sure I I want to try it, but I haven't yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

What do you take on the regular then? Like what's your daily taking the primal queen and then all this colosterum?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:31

I just take primal queen at night and then the colosserum spray in the morning, and that's all I'm doing for like a health regimen right now. And when then just eating, trying to eat like more of a protein-based diet.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:44

Yeah. I've seen your guys' sick uh garage gym now. You're guys whole transformed garage.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

Yeah, we're trying to get it transformed.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

It's pretty cool. So at least you guys have a home gym, that's cool. I could never do the home gym. I've tried, but I just can't get into the mind space when I'm at home. Got kids at home, they're always interrupting or something, or I get distracted in the garage.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

Surround sound and just pump the music.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Well, I've I've learned a lot just from this little time on the surrogacy. So I'm sure that there's gonna be a lot of people that can enjoy this. Where's a good spot for them to get more information from that company that you're talking about or just from you?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

So I went through my donor connection. Um, and the ladies in there have been really supportive. So if if they have any questions or want to reach out, then they can definitely reach out to them and get some more answers.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:33

Tell them Carly sent you.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

Yeah. Carly referred to you. Yeah, you gotta get that referral in there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

What about you? Um, is there anywhere that they can like reach out to you or Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:43

Um, like Instagram or Facebook, any or reach out to you to get my information.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Yeah, cool. Well, thanks for coming on. I'm sure we'll uh talk again. It sounds like in another year from now.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:55

Yeah, sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:58

That's crazy.