The One With The Birmans: WOULD YOU RATHER?!

Welcome back, friends!! Buckle up because this is a long one! This would actually be a perfect episode for a long commute, a road trip, or even just to have on in the background while you're doing whatever! Podcasts are just the best that way right?! Anyways, we are joined once again by our dear friends Josh and Emma Birman as we talk about some hypothetical wedding day scenarios, problem solve, maybe a few hot takes?? and do a round of WOULD YOU RATHER!! This one was so fun and we laughed a lot! You can definitely tell that we're getting a little loopy by the end lol! Thank you once again for all your support! We love you all!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:07

Hello, friends! And welcome back to an episode, another episode, a brand new episode, if you will, of the Red Letter Days podcast. We are your hosts. I'm Sean.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Oh, I'm Michaela.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

And we have with us again today the Bermans. We're back. That was a very Phoebe moment. Our flower. Remember.

SPEAKER_05 0:38

It's the Bermans, but Emma is extra tired.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Yeah. Hey, maybe you can fill us in on some updates with like why why you're why are you tired, Emma?

SPEAKER_01 0:50

I'm tired because I am now an employee at Chuck E. Cheese. I am the rat. No. You're Chucky? I'm Chucky. And I'm here to haunt you. No, I'm tired because uh I got a part-time job at Dutch Bros. I'm officially a bro. Not in that way, but like Yo bro. Yeah, I'm a bro. And I'm Dutch. Yeah.

unknown 1:19

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

And I have absolutely freaking been loving it. It's like honestly, it's so perfect for me. Just like all the interaction I get with people and like just like that time with my coworkers. It's awesome. I like I love all my coworkers. And yeah, it yeah. It's just been really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:37

As soon as Josh said it, I was like, that's perfect for her, right? That's why it's I mean, it just fits your personality so well. Yeah, yeah. And you've changed your schedule completely because of it, right? And that's why you're so tired.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I keep having to like multiple times, and it's like, okay, Emma, you start at 4 45, and I'm like, eh? In the morning? That exists in the morning? What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

So that that is so early. People drink coffee then? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

You can be awake then? I didn't know that was possible.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

So I did I did want to ask, because um, I see you do have a Dutch Bros cup in front of you. Do you have like a favorite Dutch Bros drink?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

If we're talking like a rebel energy drink, I like it iced, and I like to put credit to my my buddy Eli. He's the the creator of this flavor combo. Um he introduced me to it. It's lemon, raspberry, red raspberry, and cherry, with more emphasis on the lemon than the others, but iced rebel with those in it is like perfect. It's like my dream. That's not what I'm drinking right now. Right now I'm drinking something I discovered yesterday because I made a drink for a customer, found out someone else had already had made it, they just forgot to claim it. So then we had an extra, and I was like, well, I'll try it on my break. And then tried it on my break, and I was like, mmm, I like sweet cream. Um it's sweet cream, strawberry, and pineapple. Wow. Yeah, that's it. I also love the fizz, which is just it's sparkling water, but then they add some lemon concentrate to it, and then you can add other flavors. Like I do blue raspberry and uh watermelon with it, and it's like a bit tart and delicious and good if you want to have something that doesn't have caffeine.

SPEAKER_04 3:25

So the tart is always something that I like. Because she's she's gotten the energy drinks uh before from Dutch Bros. Um and I can't remember what you got for me, but the tartness is what got me.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

And I I like to make it sour. Yes, yeah. Oh, like do you put a sour shot in it? Yes, I do. Yeah, I haven't tried that yet. I need to try the sour shot. It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

Okay, adjust my mic, it's gonna make a noise. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

I'm upset.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Forgive me. Well, I thank you for being here. I know you I know you're exhausted, and this is like your first day off in a while or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

And so any chance to hang out with you guys is always like and the fact that I can show up looking like I do right now is wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Always.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

I didn't shower today.

SPEAKER_05 4:18

Josh, did you shower?

unknown 4:20

I did.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

I did every day. Josh, like I have to do it, otherwise I won't wake up right and I'm just like groggy the rest of the day.

SPEAKER_06 4:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:27

And I noticed you have something on your face today. Just the mustache now.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

I had I told him to put on clothes. It was like, my goodness, Josh.

SPEAKER_06 4:37

Just the mustache.

SPEAKER_05 4:40

We didn't have anything going on this weekend for like the first time in a while. I'm like, well, I haven't had a mustache in like two years. Let's see what it looks like. And I shaved off the beard, looked in the mirror, and went, I don't like my face. I I'm getting stubble back now because I did this on like Sunday. Yeah. Um, so I'm liking it better. Helping. Yeah, it's helping. Yeah. Not like smooth baby face anymore. Yeah. It's good.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

I thought you looked great. Looks great.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

Yeah. I've experienced that too when I did the the mustache only thing. Because I did it during COVID. And obviously, we're not going anywhere during that. That was during the lockdown when I did the mustache thing. I think uh originally, yeah, I just shaved everything. And then I came downstairs and everybody screamed. Emma hated it. Michaela was not a fan, uh, to say the least.

SPEAKER_05 5:31

So, what would it take on podcast for you to shave off everything except the mustache?

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Wow, he was he told me he was gonna do this. I didn't know if he actually was gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

During the like on the podcast? Yeah. Well, I mean, I did shave off quite a bit, if if you can tell.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

So um, and the reason I did that is because I got the pictures of my fully completed Santa beard. Oh yeah. Um and uh so I just uh paid for shipping, and so they're gonna ship it out with their next shipment, and then it's gonna be here. And guys, I am so excited because it looks so epic.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Oh, I cannot wait to see it.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

When does it get here?

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Um, I'm not sure how long it'll take to get here from from there, but uh yeah, as soon as North Pole. As soon as we yeah, they made it in the North Pole, the elves made it. But yeah, as soon as it shows up, I gotta try it on to make sure that everything is fitting. So I do have to shave all the way down.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:27

So maybe I'll do the just shave everything, have the little mustache, I'll send you a picture or something.

SPEAKER_06 6:32

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 6:34

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

Is this a beard that you have to put on like a wig where it's like glue and stuff to get? Yeah, okay. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 6:41

And it's it's legit. It's like movie quality, Hollywood quality. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And this company has been around for a long time. And so um, yeah, it's it's very real, very realistic. You want to say hi, Emma Jane?

SPEAKER_06 6:56

Hi.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

She's coming to uh partake of the gorgeous charcuterie board that Michaela made once.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Michaela made it?

SPEAKER_04 7:07

Oh, yeah. All this time I assumed it was you, Sean. What yeah, I could never my remember last time it was I was just gonna bring out boxes and less cleanup that way, huh?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Yeah. That's my kind of um, but this is so much prettier and easier to access everything.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Yeah. Okay, we should probably get going. Otherwise, this is gonna be like three hours long. So and we and I already said we might have to uh break this up into two parts, but four parts. Four parts, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Why are we the same person?

SPEAKER_04 7:45

You are the same person, literally the same person. Um, so yeah, today we wanted to do something fun um and kind of tackle some different scenarios and situations and kind of add, you know, some insight into some some different things that we've either uh come across or kind of come up with um on our own through our experience and everything. And so um, Mikhail, I'm gonna hand it over to you to kind of take the lead on on this section.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

So I wish you could see her face right now. She said I'm gonna hand it over to you, and her eyes got huge and her eyebrows showed up like, oh no.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

Do you remember you're also a host on on this podcast?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

I am yes, yes, okay. Um it's gonna be one of those days, guys. Okay, so um, yeah, so I think first we're going to just kind of discuss a few specific parts of the wedding day that each of us have some input on and maybe some suggestions or what we've noticed work like works really well. Um and I know that we have at least three parts of the day to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

So Yeah, because you had texted our group and you said here's some options. Yes. He said everyone brings a scenario or part of the event where they offer helpful suggestions.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Helpful suggestions. Hopefully they'll be helpful.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Yeah, and this kind of stemmed off of an idea that Josh had. And so maybe we can even start with Does Josh want to start? Oh boy, Mr. Berman.

SPEAKER_05 9:27

All right, must be a wisdom about um like toasts or speeches at the reception. We hear a lot of them. Yes, and a lot of them are not great. Yeah. Um, but I thought it'd be interesting from the point of view of like a videographer, and Sean, you can chime in too on this. Yep. Um, because we're the ones that have to like use the speeches to create a story for the wedding film. I feel like we have a little bit more of a unique perspective on what makes a good speech. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think this is gonna be super long, but No, that's that's fine. Right off the bat, don't use the cliche. Webster's dictionary defines love as a classic Michael Scott, though.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

But how are they gonna know?

SPEAKER_01 10:19

That's a very unheard of reference.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

Another one is like getting up and saying, You may not know me, but I am blah blah blah. Like just say your name. Yeah. Like, hey, I'm blank the best man and go for it. You don't have to, yeah. Yeah. All the preamble is not necessary.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Where do you think that comes from? Where do you think the is it just nerves, maybe?

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Yeah, or they've heard other people do it, so it's just kind of like in the back of their head. Yeah, like this is just what you say. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I could see that too. Yeah. Um, I think for actually like the speech itself, something that's so helpful for video is when people mention a story that includes the bride and the groom. Whenever anybody's giving a speech, it's usually either a story or it's advice. Um, so if it's a story, a lot of people because they're you know closer friends with just the groom or just the bride, they often will only talk about the person who they're closer to. Right. But it makes it hard to fit that into the edit because it ends up sounding like we're only talking about one person for like half the video. But if most of the stories that you tell in your toasts are about the bride and the groom being a couple together, it really helps the story just mesh well together. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Yeah, like if you're telling their love story almost. You're like when they met, they you know, this happened or whatever, just uh in theory. But yeah, that's really helpful.

SPEAKER_05 11:43

Or even just like if you've been around them, a cute story where you saw them being cute together or being good for each other together, like, oh, I saw Jessica really help Nate get through this hard time in his life, as opposed to Nate got through this hard time in his life. Jessica was a huge help. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

I think that's really good for uniting everybody that is there for the wedding too in person because you have people that are there for one and and you know, who are there for the other.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Maybe they haven't met the other. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

So they get to experience more of the relationship through people, through witnesses, which is always a good thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:19

This is harder for you know, if it's like a family member who really only knows one person. Right. But if it's your wedding wedding party, try to go for both if you can. Yeah, yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

And it doesn't just have to be a story, it can also just be a commentary on like who they are, their characteristics and stuff. Like these two are so kind and they always are there to lend a helping hand.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Like it can just be a yeah, or even something you witnessed that day. Like when I watched them see each other for the first time. You know, like when I watched her walk down the aisle.

SPEAKER_05 12:51

You know, that would be super helpful. Actually, that's brilliant. I love whenever that happens to happen. Sure, yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

No, that's that's perfect because yeah, that you we actually have footage that we can put to that.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

Yeah. Oh, totally. You know, I was at a wedding, I don't know, years ago where somebody mentioned that seeing I think like the grandma's face as the bride walked up the aisle, and we had footage of the grandma and the bride, and it was like, this is perfect, it all works together. It's so perfect.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

That would make me cry immediately. I'm not lying. Like that would just hit me real hard. Yeah, that's so sweet. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Another little note just about speeches is uh make sure that you're holding the microphone close enough to your mouth. We've noticed that people, especially when they get nervous, if they're nervous of the public speaking or whatever, they tend to hold the microphone. It gets further and further away from their face.

SPEAKER_05 13:47

The microphone starts here and starts very slowly going more and more like this.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

And then it just makes it really hard in post to or the hand talkers who are just swinging the microphone all over the place because they can't not talk without moving their hands.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

It's like in singing with the rain singing in the rain. Have you guys seen that? Yeah, where she's like, Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and you can hear that in real time too. So it's it's not just for video, it's for the people who can who can so they can hear you and and be involved.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

Yeah. Something that makes me cringe so hard during toasts is when people who are not great at giving jokes just pack their toast with jokes. Oh, yes. It's just like joke after joke, but none of them are landing.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Do you do you have any example? I don't want to put you on the spot if you don't. Okay, yeah, because I'm like, I'm trying to think because I've heard we've heard many jokes over the years. Do you got do you have one?

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Like, I don't remember which wedding it was, but I remember one where somebody was like, Yeah, you guys remember when these two broke up for a while? Oh yeah, it was clearly awkward, and I was like, Oh, that's just not funny, and no one's enjoying this, and it looks like a lot of people didn't know about this, and yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:01

Never ever mention past relationships, yeah. Even if they were positive in your mind, right? Don't do it. Awkward. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And even like the roasting, like yeah, I I mean, maybe do that at the bachelor party or something.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

Just sorry, the cat feeder one. I think it happens every time.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

I was like, is Ryland here somewhere? Or what am I hearing?

SPEAKER_04 15:23

And every time Emma has the same look on her face, she's like, she's just looking off, like, what? What is that? God sorry, sweetheart, I interrupted you.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Oh man, it's funny.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

But yeah, just try. I mean, jokes are fine, yeah, but just like use it, use them tastefully and don't pack them like that. And definitely you're right, don't mention past relationships.

SPEAKER_05 15:47

Yeah. I feel like when in doubt, like if you're thinking, will this joke land or not? It's better to just be like sincere as opposed to funny.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Sincerity is always a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Maybe run it by, you know, someone else, like, hey, here's my speech. What do you think? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

And a lot of people read it off their phones, which I think is just like normal. We're kind of used to that, and I don't think it's a big deal or whatever. That's just common. Um, if you are gonna like print it out and put it on paper or something like that, I advise not just holding a piece of paper, but like having, I don't know, something to support it more. Cause if you're nervous and you're shaking it all, it shows so clearly. If you're just holding one piece of paper and you're shaking a little, it's super obvious.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

So that's just a small revert back to book report, like school, like put it on note cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Well, one of the funniest, well, I think it's funny when people have it printed out, they I I guess they don't really check to see where the page break happens because it'll be there's they give make it all the way through a sentence and they go, eh, and they flip it over and they say, Thank you. Yeah, like it's like one word more of the sentence that got transferred over to the other page, and it's just like the most awkward pause. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 16:58

I uh I don't know if I've actually seen this for a toast or anything, but um, I always thought it'd be super funny if somebody had like a super long scroll that they started out and they just um they just released a super long scroll, like yeah, you know, start out with something like, hey guys, just got a short one for you today, and then it's just like a huge long scroll that I think that'd be a killer way to start.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

That'd be epic.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

I've done that. You have what for my high school graduation. I gave a speech and I walked up there and then like and then like unroll the scroll and let it drop onto the ground.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

I thought you did a video.

SPEAKER_05 17:38

It was both, two different things. Oh man, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Did the scroll say please watch this video?

SPEAKER_04 17:43

Something like that. I don't remember. It was ten years ago. That would be even funnier. I love that. Um, it kind of reminds me of during the ceremony where uh the bride or the couple has been together for a really long time and the bride opens her vows and she has to blow it off all the dust.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah, I've ever seen that.

SPEAKER_04 18:01

That's really funny. Oh, okay. We need to show you, we need to show you because that's funny. That's a funny bit. That's great. The best video that I've seen, because I think a couple people saw the original one and then they tried to recreate it in their weddings. And it's like, eh, you know, once you see the original one, it's like everything else is kind of like a cheap knockoff or whatever, a little bit. It's still cute and it's still funny, but this one in particular, this guy had no idea. But his reaction when the when the lady blew off the valves or whatever, he's like turning towards the people, like, ooh, like and everybody is just busting up. Oh my gosh, it was great. That's amazing. It was perfect. But yeah, fun stuff like that, I think, is fine. Yeah. Yeah. Um, as far as joke-wise, but like actually telling jokes within your yeah, you kind of got to do it sparingly and and just be wise about it and everything. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

There are some people that are really good at it, and it's just let let them do it.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

I do like the idea of running it by people though. Like if you're if you're unsure or I think I think it's never a bad thing to get feedback on certain things, like, hey, I was thinking about talking about this. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 19:13

And go to the friends that are not just gonna say what you want to hear, but actually tell you.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Yes, that's good. That's good. Yes. Yes, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Oh, one more small thing about toasts. Uh, if you fumble your words a whole bunch, uh it's helpful for the video side of things, and they taught us this in theater. Just start the sentence over. Yeah, yeah. It's not a big deal, just a little pause, start the sentence over. It's not really noticeable, and it's it's gonna sound nicer in post when we have a full sentence versus a chopped up thing.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

That's nitpicky of me though.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

No, that's I mean, I mean it's I think it's helpful for people to hear, but I also like when you have space in between. Like you don't run your sentences together because if I need if I want that sentence but not this other one, you know, like to to cut it so that it sounds natural is always hard when you just run everything together. Yeah. And uh so it doesn't sound as natural. But if there's a little if there's a little gap in there, just a little break, then we can make it sound. That's great, Josh. That's so good. Yeah, very wise. From from from much from much experience. Oh, is that is that why? Is that why you're I get really dumb when the mustache comes off?

SPEAKER_01 20:31

It's uh beards provide stupidity, mustaches provide wisdom. So when you have both, you're a normal person. If you shave off the beard, you just become extra smart. If you shave off the mustache, leave the beard. Oh don't leave your house for multiple reasons.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

Like a neard, like a neck beard kind of situation. Yes, okay. Interesting. No mustache, you're just you're gonna like almost negative in the negative. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

All right, and this is science. This is science.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

You've learned so much at Dutch already. It's just there's just so much wisdom there.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

The first thing they teach us, all right, guys, neck beards. Who cares about coffee grounds?

SPEAKER_04 21:13

All right, neck beards note and neck beards. Oh, okay. We need yes, we need to move on to our next one. Well, I don't want to cut you off. No, no, no. That was all just just gold. I love that. Yes, yes, great, great input on that from yes, much experience. Fist bump. They just a little cute little fist bump. Oh my gosh, you guys are so cute.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

You're flirting with him so hard right now.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

I know, he's so handsome. It's the most nice. So handsome.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Uh okay. Um, do you would you like to go next, Emma? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I think my a little shorter because I thought of it when I woke up uh this morning when I was like, hey, have you checked this?

SPEAKER_05 22:00

Text from like a group chat. Like, what?

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Oh, I remember opening them yesterday during my 10 minute break and then being like, oh, there's a lot here. I'll read it later. And then I forgot to read it later.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

I'm guilty of this as well. Kayla said, Do you know what you're talking about today? And I'm like, I was thinking about going between and then I just paused. Yeah, I should probably think about that more.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yay! Team unprepared. Yeah, no mind short. I just uh I thought the processional, the wedding ceremony processional, um, I had just a couple of thoughts about that. One thing is uh it seems like it's 50-50 where people either know this or they don't. Um, I always check with the grooms specifically, or you know, whoever's standing at the altar or whatever, just saying, do you know to not lock your knees? That's like a small thing, but um I haven't ever witnessed it. But apparently if you lock your knees and you're like nervous enough and not breathing right, you can like pass out and fall over or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Which there's a really dark side of me that's like, I want to see that happen. Roll the cameras, roll the cameras, make sure they're on, make sure they're in focus. Rolling, keep rolling. As soon as it like actually happens, I'd be like, oh no, but like this part of me right now is like, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

So Emma, because you are the scientist of the podcast, can you explain to us why that happens with the locking of the knees?

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Uh yes, it's um fairies in the air that nibble on the back of your knees. It makes you feel not good, and then you fall over. And um I need hair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Okay, well, now everybody's gonna want to do that because who who wouldn't want fairies?

SPEAKER_04 23:32

The more you know with Emma Berman. Wait, do it one more time. The more you know with Emma Berman.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Science. Science. Uh so yeah, just the knee knocking or knee knee locking thing. And then also this that's more for couples, but then for video photo side of things and uh content creators as well. Um, when it comes to the processional, I think it's really important to communicate as a team. Even if that means that you're a photo team and a video team that comes in separate, make sure you all communicate because on the day of you are a team. Yes. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are a team. And you're working for the good of the couple and that product that you're delivering. So communicate about where you're gonna be. Thank you, Sean. Um communicate about where you're gonna be and have just really good expectations of um, you know, how y'all are gonna work together.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

And and I would expand on that for a second and and don't don't just receive the information on the plan that the other person has and then not respond accordingly with like working around them and stuff. Because like you you can you can uh talk about, hey, this is my plan for the ceremony, and then like not care at all and just go do your own thing still. And so it's like to your point, you guys are a team, and so respond accordingly. Like, if you know if the videographer or photographer has said they're gonna be in a certain spot doing a certain thing or whatever, then like don't just walk into the space or you know, knowingly. Um but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

If it if it doesn't work for you in some way, if you don't agree with it, like if it's gonna be a problem for you, don't just be like, uh-huh, sure, and then do your own thing. Like, talk about it. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

It works out better for everybody in the long run.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Yeah, I agree. Going back to the the locking the knees, that goes for the wedding party too.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Oh, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:37

Like, because I've I I have seen videos of that of the wedding party just passing out because they're standing up there. And if it's hot, yeah, it's hot or they get nervous or whatever, yeah, and they're not really thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

And also if you feel like you're gonna pass out, sit down. Sit down. It's okay for you to like leave the row of the wedding party. You just go sit down for a second.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

You don't want to have to wait for somebody catch her. Yeah, yeah. I've heard that before.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Like, oh yeah, got a concussion on the wedding day. Well, just you know, my head doesn't like pavement.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Yeah, you'll make like way less of a scene if you just you know quietly step away and sit down than if you actually pass out.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Yeah, yeah. Stay hydrated. Yeah. Oh, please, with water. Pay attention to your body. Pay attention to your body. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

I think that was all I had for that's solid stuff, and it's very, very important to remember that stuff for sure.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

I would say um for people in a wedding, like the wedding party family, whoever's walking down the aisle, like I think we've said this before, but just like uh encouraging them to take their time. Take your time. Yeah, it's not a race. Like the whole enjoyment is to, you know, and sometimes they're trying to time it to music, but this is not it's not a race to their the front, you know. Like there's a reason you're walking down the aisle, and it's honestly really difficult to get shots of everybody if everybody's walking so fast and so close together.

SPEAKER_05 27:08

Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

And so if they're spaced out a little bit and they're walking at a normal pace, now you don't have to do like this step hold, step, hold thing that we used to do way back in the days. Yeah, um, but just like walk normally, yeah, you know, and be happy. Yeah, like you don't have to be serious, like there's so many people in your face that are like just look so sad or mad, and it's like, no, this is this is a happy thing. You can look around at people, you don't have to just look at the ground or look straightforward.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

I get it. Sometimes the sun's in your eyes and you're a little squinty. Try not to look like you hate the world. Yeah, yes, please.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

And the family friends too, who are sitting, especially in the aisle and everything. Yeah, also for them, just being aware that you're gonna be in all of the footage and all the pictures and everything, and to represent the day well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:56

I would ask anybody that's wearing a very brightly colored shirt, please don't sit in the aisle.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

We we we talked about this uh a couple episodes back or whatever. Okay, um, I can't remember, but yeah, there has there have been instances where some people have dec decided, made made some decisions.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Bright orange and they're sitting on the aisle.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

Yep, exactly. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

So and orange is tricky because that's what affects skin colors. Yes. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

And also that that shot that almost every couple wants now is at the end of the aisle. Like what after they've said, you know, their ideas, they've got got the kiss done. Well, I can't talk. Um, they've done the first kiss and then they're coming back down the aisle. So they want to stop and do a kiss or a dip or whatever right there, but they want everybody behind them in their shot. And I can't even count how many times everybody behind them is either not looking, looking with a grumpy face, or just like annoyed. You know, it's like the whole idea is for them to celebrate and show joy and like encourage, like you're in the shot. So yeah, remember that. When in doubt, just assume there's a camera on you.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 29:04

And I and I uh a couple times I've tried to coordinate with the officiant or or whatever to try to communicate that to the people. Um, I've made the mistake of just like asking them to do that and then just relying on them to do that. Um and so experience tells me that I should probably take more of a charge in that, like get it, get everybody pumped up to be ready for that and do that. Because the last time I tried to do to do that with an officiant, they didn't say anything until the very end when they were already walking down and then decided to yell, Oh, uh, everybody stand up, you know, uh uh be excited, you know. And it was like, uh, stay up. What's he saying? Yeah, exactly. It's too late. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I I think it's always a good thing to just get people more involved, like just make it more fun. Like you you can make everything just so much more fun, yeah. Um, just being involved in that way.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

And so one last thing. You were saying the thing, Michaela, about uh speed walking down the aisle, like not going too fast. Something I've learned is that when you are nervous, you might not realize that you're walking fast. Sometimes nerves so like if you're uncertain, go maybe a little slower than you think you should, because nerves oftentimes can make you go fast, and then you know, later someone's like, dang, you, you know, ran down that aisle, and they're like, I did, like you don't even really don't know. Yeah, try to be extra aware and not go super fast.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

That's a good point. And I think that is all done via communication beforehand with with your so if you're a couple getting married, then yeah, you can talk to your your wedding party about these things and and the planner with like the run through at the rehearsal and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's always really helpful.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

Yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Get a good planner. Yep, get a good planner.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Awesome. Okay, so my topic is um the getting ready portion of the day, specifically for the bride. Um if I'm real honest, I'm not with the guys that often. Um occasionally I will be.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Not because it's not covered, but because usually your second shooter is getting it. Yes, yeah. The guys are getting their photos too.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

So they're yes, they're hanging out and getting their photos. It's a lot faster than the girls. So like almost every time. So um, so I have just come to realize that this time for girls getting ready is messy, chaotic, um, almost always running behind. Um, sometimes it's like really quiet in the room, but it's still a mess. And for some reason, people don't like that in photos and stuff. I love trash. The more the better. They don't think to like take care of it, you know. So oftentimes I I find myself, I don't know you probably do too, like just moving stuff out of the way, like from one side to another, and then somebody storms back in the room and they're like, Where's my bag? I can't find whatever. And I'm like, sorry, I had to move it because you just left all your stuff all over the floor, you know. Yeah, um, tampons everywhere. Yeah, exactly. It's always just like really okay. You guys know we're documenting this, right? Um so I think that the main point that would be most helpful for getting ready is this is the time to delegate. This is the time for your bridesmaids, your sisters, whoever is in your support circle, ladies, um, give them jobs other than just getting themselves ready. Because sure, they'll get themselves ready and they shouldn't be so concerned about how they look that they're not helping you. That's not why they're there.

SPEAKER_06 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Um, but oftentimes they're wondering what they can do to help, and they just don't want to be in the way or they don't want to do the the wrong thing. So before the wedding day, I would delegate, like give each bridesmaid a task. Like, your job is to make sure that the spot where I'm getting ready has no trash, or that you keep everyone's bags in this spot, you know, um little things like that. That's really helpful.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Um I feel like they'd be glad to help with stuff like that if they were tasked.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Yeah, and honestly, it's not that they like they just don't think about it. It's not like they're trying to make a mess. It's just that it's not on their radar at all. So um that part is very helpful. And the other part that I was going to bring up was the schedule with hair and makeup. Is what I see. Get it. You um please do a run through if you can with your hair and makeup people so that you know exactly what you're doing going into it. Um, brides. I mean, I know that everyone else doesn't always do that, but um, because if you don't like the end result and you have to start over, that's that's not good. That's really difficult. Um but you want to feel look and feel your best on your day. So those trials, the makeup trials, hair hair trials, like are really worth it to put in the time and sometimes money to to do it. And your stylist is gonna want to do that too. Like they're not gonna they're not gonna want to just like wing it, you know. So um definitely uh do those. But another thing that I see, and tell me if you guys see this too, is that oftentimes brides will be getting ready last or towards the end, like they have a lot of bridesmaids go before them because they want their makeup fresh or whatever, which is fine. Um and then they finish their hair and makeup, and it's time to get them in their dress, and their mom just sat in the chair, and she's the one getting her in the dress. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:54

Yeah, I have seen that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

And it's like, Well, mom's not ready, so we can't put the dress on yet. Yep. Or mom's gonna have to stop midway and put the dress on, you know, and she doesn't want to do that. She's like, I'm in my sweatpants and t-shirt here. Yeah, yeah. So it creates some tension, and it's like mom's, you know, especially mother of the bride, they kind of are not uh featured much on wedding days anyway, even though they do a lot of work. So um that's one of their moments. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So have your mom go before you. Like make sure your mom is ready before you're ready. That's I see.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I don't think I've even I don't think I've thought of that. That is really good. You've done a lot more weddings than me. That is brilliant. This is such good, yeah, helpful insight. Because the thing is a lot of people do weddings once, which is the goal, right? Yeah, and so it's helpful to hear stuff from people like like you guys and like us that have, you know, seen a wedding or two and can that's such good advice right there.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Yeah, well, thank you. But yes, anyone who's going to be helping you in your dress as a bride, anyone uh you know that should be in those moments needs to be ready before you.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

Yeah, yeah. I agree. That's can I piggyback off of your um like messy room etiquette? Yes, wait. Sorry, Emma. Sorry. Today I'm a contrarian. She has spoken. I would say from the photographer-videographer point of view, um I've heard of people being like, oh, I'm a documentary videographer, I'm a documentary photographer. I don't like to mess with anything on the wedding day. I don't want to interact with anybody, I won't I want to be more of a fly on the wall and just shoot what's happening. And I would say like get past that and still move stuff and clean it. Yes. Um, because you might be a documentary videographer, but a messy room doesn't nobody wants that.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Right.

SPEAKER_05 36:49

Um, and it's not, I don't think it's taking away from the realness of the moment if you clean up the room a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Right. I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

And it just makes it a good thing. I've called myself out on this.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I think more so me though, because I'm always like, ah, it's fine, it's cute, it's what's happening in the moment. And then it's like, oh, but that is a half-eaten sandwich, and there's a fly landing on it. Maybe that doesn't look the best. Maybe that wouldn't look great on a wall or anything.

SPEAKER_04 37:14

I would get a close-up picture of that, and that would be one of the featured photos in their album.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Yeah, the like half-drank diet coat cans all over the background, not the best look. Oh, that's blasphemy.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

The fact that they're half drunk or oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Um no, I agree. I agree. There's there's a little bit of nuance too, because some things that are around, like say the jewelry is is kind of all around, or the the makeup products and whatnot, like that are part a little bit more part of the story. Yes. Um, trash bags, you know, the dress bags that just go drop over. Like the ugly things that have no say in the story, like yeah, move them.

SPEAKER_05 37:58

Same for the groom's as well. Please help clean that up.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Yes, I agree. And I know sometimes there's not enough time to do that, which is why if it's already done for us, because people are delegated to do it, that's ideal because any time that we're sp moving things around is time that we're not documenting. So Emma's gone.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Luna Luna's in the room.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

So I held out the microphone to see if she'd be out or something, and she just starts rubbing on the microphone. I wonder if he'll be able to hear it. That was funny. That was cute.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

She just appeared. Solid stuff, guys. Solid stuff. We're also Oh yes, you got meow.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Nice, Michaela.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Say hi, Luna. Hi. Hi.

SPEAKER_06 38:49

That was amazing.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

Okay. I wanted to do a a couple segments. Well, we we have a couple segments. Um, but this is kind of this is gonna be like a rapid fire, like faster moving kind of thing. Yeah, but I thought it'd be really fun because it can either be like super funny or like just way too real. And we have like PTSD for stuff. Um, but so so this is how we're gonna structure it. I'll I will present the scenario, okay, and then everyone will give kind of a immediate reaction.

SPEAKER_05 39:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

And then uh after that, then we can go into like actual problem solving, like team mode. Sure. Like cool kids team mode.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

So just initial reaction and then okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Okay, okay. And this is where I wish I had like dramatic music or game show music or whatever. Okay. All right. So I knew Emma could do something for us. I knew scenario number one. The ceremony starts 30 minutes late. Questions. Do you shorten portraits? Do you push dinner? Do you cut speeches? What suffers first? What say you?

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

The ceremony starts 30 minutes later.

SPEAKER_05 40:04

I don't know if you guys are gonna agree with my thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

No, actually, this is what I was hoping for. Okay, because I was different hot takes. Yeah, I was I was hoping for different hot takes, and then we'd like we could we could really debate it. Yeah, we could really debate it.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

Right to each other. I would say push dinner back just a little bit, but shorten uh uh couple portraits. Like to to me as a videographer, I feel like I can get away with having five minutes of couple portraits and I can get like a handful of shots. At this point, I'm hardly using or I didn't say that right. I'm using very few couple portraits in my actual films. I'm focusing a lot more on the guests and kind of what's happening, and less so on showing couple portraits in slow motion. So I would say like just get rid of couple portraits. Okay, good. Get rid of entirely not get rid of it, but like showing it down to like a couple ports.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Fight me. Emma. Emma, what say you? What say you to this? All right. I'm gonna I what I would start with is start a small fire and then when Sean mentioned that he was gonna do this, I was like, I'm gonna give wrong answers only. Um perfect.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

Emma's answer is make it worse.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

I'm just at that perfect level of tired that I'm like, yes, let's create some chaos. No, um, can you read the options again for solutions?

SPEAKER_04 41:24

Yeah. Uh do you shorten portraits or get rid of them completely in Josh's case? I didn't mean that.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

He wants to get rid of the couple.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Do you push dinner or do you cut speeches?

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Oh, uh, you can't cut speeches. That's like a, you know, there's so much time, effort, preparation. It's special. That's like a significant thing. Unless it's literally like the couple being like, nah, people hated that we asked them to do it. They're gonna be stoked or something. Like, yeah. I guess you can kind of do a case-by-case thing, but sure. Speeches unlikely to get rid of. Um, yeah. Uh couple portraits, probably, yeah. Shorten them, make them fast. Dinner, push it out a little bit. And, you know, Papa's annex, chill. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 42:07

The hard part with pushing dinner too much is that the catering team has a very specific schedule that they're already on. And if you push it back by half an hour, everything's thrown off now.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

It could also mess with the food quality a lot.

SPEAKER_05 42:20

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Which then sucks for them because you know they want to serve a quality meal.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

What about you, babe?

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Well, I'm not going to be very good at this game because I hear that and I have a million questions.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Okay. Let's let's hear let's hear some of the things.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

With family photos before the ceremony or after.

SPEAKER_04 42:37

And if uh and if we're being honest, 30 minutes, that's not that's really not that bad. That's that happens a lot. That's pretty common. So you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Um, my questions would be do they have a cocktail hour? If that's the case, then that's what gets cut. That's the buffer. Um if you have a coordinator or somebody helping you with your timeline, you have already accounted for this. So you have areas in your timeline to dissolve that. You know, yes, you would probably need to to cut down a little bit, push dinner back maybe like 10 minutes. Yeah. But like, yeah, yeah, you just adjust other things around. You take out the other buffer times that you've already built in and move them there.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

But that's that's perfect. I I think and and I think that highlights a great point of if you have a good coordinator, then they've already thought of this scenario and they've already accounted for it.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Because it's never gonna hurt to have a little extra time. If you end up getting to use that buffer time to, you know, chill, get the couple of drink of water, bathroom breaks, no one's gonna be upset about a little buffer room, and it almost always comes in handy.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Exactly. Okay, scenario number two. Okay. Bride wants golden hour photos, but dinner is scheduled during sunset. This always happens. So let's talk about educating couples beforehand, sneaking out for 10 minutes, why sunset. Matters visually and then coordinating with planners slash DJs. So bride wants golden hour photos, but dinner is scheduled during sunset.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

I think again This is very normal normal. Like this happens all the time. Um usually that's a perfect time to do it because the guests are eating the couple hardly eats anyway.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

It's sad, but or they or they eat sooner than everybody else.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Yep. And they can keep eating during a speech or something if they want. That's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

You can't bring the sun back up.

SPEAKER_04 44:32

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

So you gotta do it. Um actually no. Is there a dance for that or something? Yeah, I'll teach you later. Okay. You can try to create a sunset using flash and shells, but that would be it's just not the same. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

We've done that before, you might have.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

We have done that before. That doesn't surprise me, and I bet it looked awesome.

SPEAKER_04 44:56

It did look awesome. Yeah. You guys are so cool.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

Not not too not too bad, not too many.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

Not too bad, not too bad. Um, it was right after I think you got all that uh that new uh flash stuff. Because you're like, I think I can do this.

SPEAKER_06 45:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

And it was at Oswego Hills, and we set the lights out um in the vineyard area, and so it looked like the sun was coming through the trees, hitting the vineyard and then highlighting.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

So Hollywood, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 45:25

She just crushed it. She had a vision and she came out. Yeah. That's so cool. And she executed it.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

It was a small tiny thing. I did the I did this AT ⁇ T commercial when I was a kid, and it was nighttime when it came time to film the part that I was in. But it was supposed to be that this person was waking me up in the morning, so there's supposed to be like morning light. It's nighttime. They had this giant light outside shining in through the window. It straight up looks like morning. Yeah. But it was cool, it was blackout. That's it. To me, it was one of the coolest things ever. So I love that stuff. Yeah, movie magic.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

Yeah. So cool. Yeah. I don't want to get off on too much of a tangent, but we could talk about a lot of that kind of stuff. Maybe on our next nerd day, we could talk about movie magic, like lighting and stuff like that. Oh, that'd be fun. Perfect. Um, okay. Oh, I think you guys are gonna love this one. Oh boy. Family photo list is 45 combinations long. Just we've turned the one in the fire. So so here's here's some questions. So who controls the chaos? Should there be a Wrangler? What combinations actually matter? Yes. And then what wastes time? And I think I'll just go to the go to the photographers in the room and you guys can take it from here. Yeah. What let's let's let's go back in time. Like, do you remember a time where it was just the combinations were insanity? And oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Yeah, I feel like this has been a learning process for me because at the beginning I would show up to some weddings and realize they have a family photo list that is crazy long. And I'm like, oh, okay. And so then I start trying to do it, and it's like, oh, the planner's coming up to me going, or the venue coordinators coming up to me going, hey, the catering team says dinner's ready, uh, are you guys done? And I'm like, uh, we're a quarter of the way through, you know. Um, but so I feel like I've learned since then that I need to be very on top of checking that list uh well in advance, not the night before, not like that, you know. Just first of all making sure there is a list to the best of my ability. Obviously, you can't force a couple to make a family photo list. I've had that happen before where I've reminded couples multiple times and they still don't get me one, and then I'm like, okay, you gotta like just I guess sometimes you gotta learn to just go with the the hand that's dealt to you. Um, but if I do get a list, looking at it, you know, checking with the timeline to see is there time to do everything they're expecting, because I have more experience with the timing of these things than this couple does, so yeah, I can clue them in. Yeah, uh depends how involved a planner is. You know, if the planner is like a you know, more hands-on, full-on uh planner, usually don't really have to worry about this too much.

SPEAKER_06 48:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Um if they're a little bit less involved, or it's like, you know, oh yeah, I got my cousin to help me, she's planning and stuff, like, and they don't have a ton of experience, then yeah, it's possible that I get a list that's crazy long or something. And then that's where I pause and communicate with the couple. And a lot of times I'll reach out and be like, just so you know, I see that you've allotted about half an hour to get all this done. And um, from my experience, the from the look of this list, this is the kind of thing that probably will take at least an hour. Um, how would you guys like to proceed? And basically being like, I will do whatever you want, but just making sure you have all the information so you can make an informed decision.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

And then if it's like an associate shooting wedding or something, I don't know, so or say I'm the second shooter or something where I'm showing up and I'm I haven't been communicating with the couple in advance and somehow discover there's, you know, a family photo list that's way too long, not enough time. At some point I've learned that there are certain things that you just can't, you can't control everything. There will be surprises. And so then I almost kind of just put it back in the hands of the couple or the planner or whatever, and be like, hey, um, I noticed we're about halfway through the list, um, and my timeline showing that dinner's supposed to be right about now. Um, do you guys want to keep going with the list or do you want to pause, do dinner, try to pick this up again later? What would you like? Like just making them aware and helping uh helping them make a decision. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

That's that's what I've got.

SPEAKER_05 49:51

Yeah, I feel like there's kind of two uh two roads you can go down. One uh with like a full service planner. I've noticed that most full service planners will work with a couple to create that list, uh like that family photo shot list, and then they will build time in for that list. And they might reach out to the photographer and say, How much time do you need? Here's the list, you know, help me build this timeline. Um so usually if there's a full service planner, they're just taking care of that and you don't have to worry about it. Um, and then if there's not a full service planner, like if it's just a day of coordinator or if there's no planner at all, then you're hopefully getting that list prior to the wedding day, and then you can tell the couple, like you were saying, like, hey, this uh might not work in the time you're thinking, uh, you know, how do you want to proceed? And if it doesn't, if you just show up on the wedding day and here's 45 people or 45 combinations, yep, yeah, I think like where you were saying, just kind of roll with it, or if there is like a coordinator, pull them aside and be like, hey, listen, I just got this list, we don't have time for this. How do you want to tell the couple?

SPEAKER_01 51:00

I like that often. Your turn. How's your bedside banner?

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Um, I try to prep as much as I can before the day with asking them who's gonna be in your family uh photos. Are we going, how far out are we going? Are we doing immediate family or are we doing extended family? My suggestion would be to do immediate family only with extended family in one giant shot for each side of the family. And then if you want individual photos with aunts, uncles, whatever, we'll do that during the reception. Yeah. And they usually are on board with that. Um on the questionnaire that I send them, I ask them for 10 combinations. And then often we'll do more than 10 combinations, but because that number is what's out there, they're trying to stay close to it. Sets an expectation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:51

And so that way And it makes them prioritize. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

Yes. And now within those ten combinations, it can be like one of them is bride with her family. And within that, I'm gonna do like bride with her siblings, bride with her, you know, whatever. Like it can pull apart a bit. They don't always catch that, but like it can expand a little bit within that. It doesn't usually it just giving them a number like that helps them to kind of rein it in a little bit. Yeah. But the worst, the worst case scenario is no list. Yes. That's worse than too big of a list, in my opinion, because I think couples forget, especially on the day, that we don't know who anybody is. I don't know how anybody's related or who they're connected to. Don't know their names, don't know what they look like, nothing. Yeah, if they're not there during photos, like I'm not gonna know they're missing. Yeah. So like the no list is probably my biggest nightmare for family photos.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Which is cool, it says a lot about you because to me, I was like, yeah, whatever, but you're saying because then later on the couple's like, Oh, we didn't get a picture with oh grandma Sharon, who you know, I'm wearing her dress modified or whatever, like you know, super special person, and they're like, We forgot to get a picture with her, and it's like, oh my gosh, that's awful. So having a list, it's for their sake.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Yeah, that actually happened to me. I had one wedding where they was chaos. I mean, love them, but it was a mess. And when it came to I I don't think they had like uh a coordinator, like there was a lot of family help, which was great, but just like nobody had eyes on it, right? So when it came to family photos, we were behind already, and grandpa didn't make it into the photos. Oh god, but I didn't have a list, and so what do you do? Later they came back and he's you know, he was older gentleman, he was in like a rough health season or whatever. He was in a wheelchair, nobody wheeled him over. I mean, like I didn't know. Yeah, and uh by the grace of God, I had a shot of him in the front row of the ceremony. Oh, good. Did you photoshop him in? I photoshopped him in. Wow. Wow. It wasn't perfect, but it was enough to insert the police here. But I was like, never again, we're not doing this again.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

No kidding.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:13

Um, I wanted to mention the Wrangler thing because uh many times there has been like a sister or somebody that's a part of the family who knows everybody who has come come along like an angel, like a saint. She's like, Can I help you with this? And then they take the list and then they're just yelling at everybody, coordinating everybody like an actual Wrangler. It's brilliant. Oh my gosh, I love that. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

Huge time saver.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

Yes, yeah. I've noticed with bigger planning teams, they will sometimes uh designate one of the planning team to be the Wrangler. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

Yeah, that that I think is a is a big deal because then you could get more more done in a shorter amount of time. Yeah, you could add more Wrangler. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

There's also like a list I uh I like to do them in like a formula, like go start small on one side, grow, grow, grow bigger as far as the groupings so that you get a shot with everybody, and then you can dismiss that one side and then dwindle back down.

SPEAKER_05 55:11

Like it there's a way to do it very efficiently. Oh, wait, hold on. So you start small and build up. Uh-huh. Oh, we usually do the opposite. We start we start big and go down because wait, I feel like we're achieving the same thing, but we're doing it differently. Because you were saying you can get rid of people, right?

SPEAKER_00 55:27

Yeah, so if this is only if they want a photo with everybody on both sides, right? So they want the whole, the whole groom's side, the whole bride side all in one photo.

SPEAKER_06 55:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

So if that's the case, then I'll start with the bride's side small and just add people to the bride's side so that when I'm done with the bride's side, that her whole family's there. And then I add in the whole groom's family. Yeah. Get that side, and then the whole bride's side can go. Got you can see the graph. Yeah. I literally am picturing a line graph. Yeah. But if it's if they don't want one with everybody, yeah. They just want like one, like a same thing, but each side.

SPEAKER_05 56:08

So like one full side and then one full side.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

If that's the case, then I'll start with the full on the one side, dwindle that down as the full on the other.

SPEAKER_05 56:16

Okay. Okay, I see. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 56:17

Okay. Next scenario. Are you guys ready? Okay. I'm sorry. Um this is a this is a good one because I think this uh this is near and dear to us. Um, so the couple didn't build in any oh, that's a beautiful sound. Oh, that's a beautiful sound. It's time, it's a fridge stick. I love that you guys call them that fridge stick money.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

Fridge stick.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

Yeah. It's like a cigarette break, but it's a fridge stick. Union mandated in the weather. That's really funny. Um, so the couple didn't build in any private time together. So that like they didn't schedule a first look, they didn't schedule private vows, they didn't think of doing like a sunset break or like any intentional pauses during the day. So maybe we can speak into that. So speaking speaking to couples. Do you like each other? Yeah, what are you doing? And you know, honestly, maybe it's things that they just don't don't think of. Don't think of. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

That has to mean they have no planner.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

Yeah, I was gonna say I have a clarifying question because I would have two different answers. If it's with a planner, I'd be like, well, this is what we're doing. Yeah. But if it's just the couple planning their own wedding, I think I would be way more up for pushing for certain things.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

In advance, not on the day, but in advance.

SPEAKER_05 57:43

Even on the day, I might push for something. Like if they didn't have any couple portraits at all, I'd be like, Are you sure about this?

SPEAKER_01 57:48

But you're saying you like if you knew in advance, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:53

Well, that would go almost regardless. Even if there was a planner, I might still be like, what are you doing? Just checking, was this intentional? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:00

Yeah, that's good. And I think I think that speaks to a planner who is wise in that area, you know, that I mean, we're we're pretty blessed with the the planners that we work with that they they do think of that stuff and they do think to ask the couples about that stuff. And so for sure. But like why is a first look imp important? Like why would private vow why are private vows maybe more a little more special than the vows that they would give in front of their family, friends and family at the ceremony or something like that? Maybe we can speak into that.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

I think they um well, we're always advocating for first look because first of all, you get to spend all day together and you get to have that moment where nobody's just staring at you, you're not like in front of everybody, you know, and you get to say hi to each other. I say it over and over like if you wait till the ceremony to see each other, it's fine, but you have already missed a huge part of the day where you haven't been together. The second you walk down the aisle and you meet each other, you can't just have a conversation. Sure. You go like right into the ceremony. So like you barely say hi, right? Yeah, exactly. And then this as soon as you're done with the ceremony, you're going right into pictures reception. Like there's just no time to even like take a breath because you don't really stop or slow down after that.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

And so doing a first look allows the day to kind of slow down and it expands all of the moments so that you have some breathing room, you have like and you spend all day together.

SPEAKER_04 59:38

So first looks typically happen much earlier in the day, like after right right after the bride gets ready. Yeah. Um and then yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

So that's one way to have make sure you have a lot of time together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

I love I love first looks because I love uh the the opportunity that I get to speak to the young men in those moments. Uh just because I know like for most guys it's just awkward, you know, especially if there's a bunch of cameras and stuff like that. You don't know what to do. And not just for girls. Yeah. Well, yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's it's not we're not behind, you know, we're not in front of a camera all the time, you know, and so it's just it's a it's a little awkward sometimes, you just don't know what to do. And so, um, and one one tip that I've taken from uh Jake from Runaway Vows, um what's his last name?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Weisler.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:35

Yes, yeah. He he posted this clip on social media or something like that of him um during a first look speaking to the groom, and it was hey, this whole day is full of these organized moments where we're gonna be directing you and telling you what to do and stuff like that. Um and he just kind of put him at ease saying, we're gonna set this up initially, this first look, just to get some shots that we want to get. But then as soon as we say go, this is all you guys, and I want you to take as much time as possible with your bride to be, and this is you, this is a special moment for you guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

We're backing off.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:11

We're we're backing off, and then when you're ready, you can turn to us and then we'll we'll take it from there. And I just thought what a great example um of speaking into the young men, you know, and calming them, and and then of of the young ladies too, you know, like just go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:30

Yeah, no, for sure. I I I've saw the same video and I've done the same thing with our weddings, trying to give that little like precursor speech to the groom or whatever. I sometimes worry, like if we're not doing photo and video at the same time, um, there are plenty of photography teams who will like the second that the first look is mostly done, they're stepping in and they're just going, going, going. And if if they don't have the same mentality that you do, and you say that, it's like, well, I guess we're doing this anyway. That's just a little bit awkward.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

That speaks to that's another reason to just have really good communication expectations set with the team. Because again, you're a team on the day whether you start that the how would you guys approach that with the photographer?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:13

Because I never want to be like, listen, I already told the groom this. You have to do this now or you're gonna make me look bad. But yeah, like how would you approach that without being like, we have to do this?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I would be aware of the timeline first, kind of know where you're at. Because if things are like off like behind schedule and things are crazy, and then you go to the photographer and you're like, I'm gonna do this thing so that they can have this time, you know, that could be tricky. You gotta be aware of stuff, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Um honestly, I would approach the photographer and be like, Hey, okay, so this is what I plan to tell the groom or plan to do. Um, you know, our take on the day is very like storytelling. We want to let them experience, you know, like have a moment to experience everything. Um so I'm gonna I'm gonna prep him for that just to remind him that this is not just for video and photos, it's like a real thing. So um, how does that work with what you're planning to do? And usually the photographer by the time they've come to the wedding day has already worked with the couple for maybe an engagement session or they might have more communication in that way. So they might know their vibe a little bit more. Some so they I don't know. For me, I if I've done an engagement session with a couple, then I can kind of read them with when they're done with their first look, you know. If they're not gonna obviously be like, what do we do now? You know, like some of them do, which I actually love when they do that again. Like, okay, yeah, you're done. Um but so I would just kind of open the the door for again communication to be like, hey, you might have a little bit better idea of how long they're gonna go or like what they're gonna be feeling, you know. So like if we could just ride it out as long as we can, that would be ideal. And I'm sure they would like that too.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

Yeah. And I I think most in my experience, most photographers are happy to let them have that time because those are great moments to capture, you know, for for anybody. Yeah. Um, and and you're right that what you were saying made me think of you can give them permission to have that moment, but if that's just not who they are, then they'll just turn to you and be like, we're good, we're ready to go. And that's fine. But as long as you give them permission, and then maybe in that one off chance that it's that it's a couple who all they needed was permission, and then that changes from having like a really short, awkward interaction to having this really beautiful, emotional, longer interaction, like all they needed was that permission, so why not just try it?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

You know, that would totally be me. If I was on the if I was part of the wedding couple or whatever, I would totally be very thankful to know, like, oh, okay, it's encouraged. I can just have a moment here. I don't need to worry because I'm a people pleaser, I'm worrying about what I'm supposed to be doing or whatever. Yeah. So being told, hey, we're just gonna let you have this moment, you tell us when you're ready to move on. I'd be like, oh, cool. It's like kind of take a breath, you know? Yeah, I would appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:06

And I think that changes the perspective that they have from being like this production thing to no, we just want we want to capture this for you guys like in all its authenticity. So yeah, and then so I think uh most of the times when I when I have those discussions, they're actually happy, you know, for that and they're thankful for that. And so um, and then same like with private vows, you know, like I I think uh private vows, there's some practical aspects to private vows, like as far as audio quality for video, often often private vows will provide a a lot cleaner audio and stuff like that, and actually oftentimes that'll provide a more emotional, authentic kind of reading of the private vows. Um, and so uh there's all sorts of beautiful things that can happen to that, and then when it's just the two of them, like reading. Their vows together, you know, it's just that they're looking into each other's eyes and just saying their vows like, Man, that's a beautiful thing. So it's it's no longer this like performance in front of your friends and family thing. There's not a all that pressure, you know. You're actually thinking about the words that you're saying to your significant other who's right there with you. And so a lot of great stuff. A lot of great stuff there.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

Well said.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:22

Are we ready to move on to the the next scenario?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

What do we this is this is a good one for us, babe.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Babe. Okay, babe. Babe. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:34

Oh, wait, hold on. I gotta crack my bridge sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Bridge sick. That is the funniest thing. I don't know why I haven't heard you guys say that before. That is so funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:42

Um, okay. So this one is it starts pouring rain 20 minutes before the start.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:49

Start a small fire. That's your answer for every pyro. Which is funny because I do actually carry a lighter on me just in case on wedding days. Not just because we need the fire. I'm gonna delete this part if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

Call the fire department right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:07

Still on the run.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:08

She's still recovering from her pyromaniac days. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:12

I have a problem. Oh my god. I have a meeting to go to after this.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

Um, okay, so we can talk about backup plans um and then vendor communication. And then I like this on why attitude matters more than weather, um, which is really good in those situations. And then this is for us. Some weddings become more memorable because of Marine. Which is, yes. That's that's the case of our wedding. So yeah. What what uh what are some um real like situations that we've been in in those? Josh, do you want to talk about two actually?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:57

Uh so Emma and I had a wedding and uh Sean, we brought Sean on to do video. It's just a video wedding. And except I had to shoot on a canon, but whatever. How hard for you?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:11

Oh, we're we're going there. Facial expression. You look disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

You know, it's miraculous we're all such close friends. I know, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:22

Well now Josh is stony too, so he's he's left us all.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

Yeah, that's right. He's polyamorous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:29

Sorry, I interrupt.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

I interrupted you.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

Um where was I? Uh you you invited me to come along.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:39

Yes, yes, it's a um that day there was supposed to be, you know, the forecast was like, There might be rain. There might be rain. Yep, there might be rain. Uh but the whole morning it was like no rain. We're like, we're clear. We like get the ceremony is happening. The processional is happening, no rain. This is awesome. I'm not kidding. The bride steps one foot out the door and rain comes down.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:03

Yeah, you are done. It was not gentle. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:06

No, it was like she had a rain switch that she turned on as she walked outside. Skies opened up. Um build an arc. We we hadn't put like uh uh rain covers on any of our cameras because we're like, it's good. We've been good. But you're not gonna be a good one. Which in hindsight I had rain covers.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:23

Yeah, they were inside because you were preparing, yes, which is see? Yeah, you're a preparer.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:28

As soon as the bride comes up the aisle for the processional, we filmed the whole handoff, and then generally what we would do is I would walk around to the back and like set my gimbal down in the center aisle so I can go manage all the tripod cameras. Yep. Instead of that, I set my gimbal down under the rate uh under the awning cover and just booked it inside on the radio. I'm yelling, I'm like, Sean, just stay where you're at. Don't move. Hold the shot, hold the shot. And I sprint inside, grab all the rain covers, come back, and just start passing them out to Emma and Sean, and I'm throwing them on the cameras. Uh then the rest of the ceremony went uh normal-ish.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:11

Oh my gosh, you were so frantic.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

It was hilarious. You just like you were a blur all of a sudden. You just were gone. You poor guy. The good thing is you started off behind the audience and ran away. So no one besides maybe like the officiant, really. Yeah, I wouldn't have done you.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:27

Panic run unless I'd been behind everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

And that's a valid time to panic run.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:31

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I just thought it was so funny because when you put the cover on the camera that I was using, which is C70, it only has the articulating screen, like it can't tilt. And so I could not see anything that I was doing. He's like, How's that? I'm like, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:49

You got a lot of good shots for not being able to see what you were doing. Hooray!

SPEAKER_04 1:10:54

I think that's C70. C70 just does the job for me.

unknown 1:10:59

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

Uh oh, but my other one, yeah, uh, Emma and I were shooting photo for a wedding, and it was out at the coast. Oh. The Oregon coast, and it was just like a rainy day. We did not have a plan for this one. But no photo cameras are a lot more waterproof than uh video cameras. Like my video camera just has a fan pointing straight up where the water can enter. Yes. Um, we were out there, and by the the time that the ceremony started, it was dumping rain. Genuinely dumping. Dumping. And we both had rain jackets on. So like my tor- my moist up was fairly dry.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:36

Uh Did you just say moist up?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:40

I heard moist up.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:42

Your moist waist. Your moist waist. Moist waist. Whoa. So from the the waist or getting loopy. I was dry. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

All right, pivot.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:03

Sorry, Joshua. But by the end of that ceremony, my pants and shoes were completely soaked. Like if I sat down, yeah, water would have leached out of me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:16

And my uh I one of my cameras, I had a 35 mil on and it like fogged up and got so weird. And I was working back inside.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:23

And I just fogged up because the humidity or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

I was so worried that it was ruined, but then um like the next day or something, it was it was fine again. But I mean, thank goodness I had other lenses I could switch, switch out and be like, okay, we're not gonna shoot with that one right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

What was the one we did in the gorge? Um, was that it? That wasn't Hood River, it was um It was in Cascade Locks. That one, it was cracking up because it started dumping. Josh and I were tucked in a corner that like the only way the only way to get out and away to go like grab something to cover our cameras or whatever would be to walk across the front of everything. And so we were like, we were stuck because there was no side aisle on our side. It was so bad. Um I like took off because his yeah, his video camera's more sensitive.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:12

Well, that, but also I had my gimbal, which is not waterproof at all. Yeah. So if that if it gets water in the motors, the gimbal just stops working. I'm like, well, that's not gonna be good. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:21

So I took off my suit jacket and I like draped it over him, but then he's like, This is problematic. Like, I he's like, I can't see because I was like holding it over your stuff and you're like, this isn't actually helping. It's hindering. He's like whispering this in my ear frantically, like, oh I heard it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:38

I heard it in the camera footage.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:41

I want to see that.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:43

I love that. I want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:44

That's amazing. They're probably gonna all snippy with each other. He's like, nope, and I'm like, I'm dropping the put your chat. I'm like, accept my sacrifice.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:54

It was oh man, yeah. I feel bad for you guys. Yeah, because that was oh man, I I'm still so bummed about that day. They had a beautiful outdoor ceremony area that they could have done it at. And they just kind of compromised because they were gonna have it inside altogether. Oh dang. And then it looked like it was gonna be. I know, exactly. It looked like it was gonna be kind of okay, like a little break, and then they decided to do it out on that patio, and then it just dumped. And that was yes, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

It was the right uh group of people for it though, because they were so sweet, and they were just so in love, and like there was such a it was such a precious environment that I was like, this is the right group to have this happen with because they're still just taking in the beauty of the day and they don't care.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:40

I know that was it was great. And and shout out to so so this is for like the the venues who have options for both, and then they're like prepared, you know, to to if the if the weather turns, then they can switch, you know, and and do indoor stuff. Yeah. Um if if the weather calls for it. Like um, like that wedding at Chateau Daily, they they did move all the reception stuff inside. Yeah, um, and although it was crammed, it the footage turned out beautiful. It it it looked good. And so um, yes, I I appreciate the venues that have options for both, especially if you're in the Pacific Northwest, you need options for both.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:21

Yeah, okay. Absolutely. We have had rainy August weddings, we have had like there's no truly safe time in the Northwest. You're never safe. You're never safe. So it's always good to have a backup plan. Yes. And honestly, it could even be just oh, it's gonna be too hot or something, like we need a uh shade cover. Like you just never know. Like it and um, you know, keeps us all on our toes. But yes, you definitely need to at least talk about it because you don't want to scramble on the day of, you know, and there are several things you can do to help, right, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

And I and I think um speaking to this uh weddings becoming more memorable because of the rain, I think that is probably most definitely the case for that Cascade Locks wedding. I think that's gonna make that day so much more memorable for all them. Um, and then in our case, sweetheart, our wedding, of course, was was way more memorable because of the rain.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:18

I don't know if I've heard about this, or if I have, I've forgotten.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

You can go listen to episode three or whatever episode that was.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:26

We did a whole episode on our wedding day and we told the whole story. Well, this is embarrassing for me now.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Uh Josh is like, yep, I binged it. Yeah. I listened to it all.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:37

I don't know how it couldn't make it more memorable, you know what I mean? Especially if the plan is to do it in one thing and then you have to adjust because of the weather or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:45

Yeah, yeah. Which I will say, um, for photographers, videographers, um, it's kind of our role to press into that. Like, I think naturally, especially if the couple's kind of bummed that it's pouring or something's not going to plan, um, we would want to try and make it like look the way they want it to, or try and avoid what they're upset about, you know, and what we document. Yeah. But looking back, like embracing it really helps. So for instance, like when I look at our photos, which we have we talked about it. We don't have a a whole bunch of photos that really turned out um because it was back in the film days and all that jazz. But the 1800s. We have we have a a picture.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:31

We have hey now.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:34

Um we have some pictures of just the rain, like the raindrops falling off of stuff, and we have like a picture of the puddle on the dance floor, and like I still I love that because it just like reminds me. And same with if I think about some of the weddings over the years that I've documented in the rain. Um, like my favorite is when we just make lemonade out of it, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

You know, like you just and that speaks to the attitude.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So that one in Cascade Locks, some of my favorite pictures from the day are during the ceremony. All of the clear umbrellas came out, right? So they're all like stacked over each other, over the the people in the audience. And like through a hole in the umbrellas, you can see their faces. It turned out really cool. Yeah. You wish I got that otherwise. Exactly. And then moments like I had one bride who knew last minute that it was potential to be rainy, and she got the cutest red rubber boots. Oh, you know, and just went with it. And so I have pictures of her with her dress, you know, held up so you could see her boots. She's standing in a puddle, you know, just like things like that just make it again with the attitude.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:47

Yeah, well, and I I think our experience helps us to be able to talk the couples through it, you know, when that presents itself because we have that experience, you know, personally, and so we know that it's all gonna be okay. Yeah, and so we can help kind of you know calm, you know, the nerves or frustrations or whatever. Like, you know what, this is just gonna make everything more memorable. You still get to enjoy this, you know, remember who's here for you and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

And so and people won't be able to tell that you're sweating because they'll just think it's a rain. Sorry, that was just for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:24

Um okay. Next one. Oh gosh, how many do I have? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

Don't you mean how many did a Chad have? Correction.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

Correction. I know your father. Um, okay. This I guess it's a good one here. The DJ is running behind schedule, and now your photography timeline is collapsing. Um so this is a fun kind of vendor perspective conversation. And um, so how would you uh how would you go about handling that situation, guys? Say it one more time. Um the DJ is running behind schedule, and now your photography timeline is collapsing. So, for example, maybe you had a time set aside for you know uh sunset portraits or whatever, but everything is way behind and it's looking like the sun is starting to drop. And uh I mean, we've had this experience many times, so how have you handled it? Or if you haven't dealt with that, what would you do? You kind of just wing it. Just wing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

I would also like uh i it I would wait and start a small fire, a large fire this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:38

We need a t-shirt of DJ booth-sized fire small five.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:43

When in doubt. Um, I mean, I would start by seeing if like I would connect the planner, see their thoughts, and then they might end up communicating with the DJ. Uh, I would try to basically figure out where do I need to step in, what is my place here. Um and then like if I don't know, say there isn't a planner, or the planner's like, uh, I don't know, are we behind schedule? I didn't realize or something, or they're just like not concerned with it, but you know that it's problematic, then maybe just I think one of the best things you can ever do on a wedding day as a vendor is just start a conversation, just open up a line of communication, share where what your thoughts are and what you're thinking and why certain things matter. So just I don't know, I'd start a conversation with somebody and try to make a plan.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

I think that's good that you brought that up because it's kind of remembering like what are the roles of each person. And so the planner, the role of the planner is to plan or that coordinator, I guess, is to coordinate the events of the day. And so if things are off, then I think it's okay to go to them, you know, um, if things are off and you don't necessarily have to go directly to the DJ and you know, start something or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:55

The planner is the president. Exactly. We're just like part of the cabinet. That's we gotta defer to the president.

unknown 1:22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:02

I mean, if there's a planner, I'd say they're probably figuring things out already. I would like to probably think about it too much. You just kind of connect with them and hear what the update is.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:12

Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate because do it. Uh we work with a lot of coordinators who are um uh often doing many roles during the reception. And often they're not even in the tent, they're doing other things like prepping for the next like for the cake or the send-off or something, so they're not even around. Um true. Do they have a team? That would be my question. So some of them do, um, but oftentimes they don't. And so I have done this in the past where I would go to the DJ myself. Um, but if there was somebody who was more like in there, like actually managing the timeline, then yes, go to them. But from my experience, a lot of our coordinators kind of hand it off to the DJ once the reception starts so that they can do like the logistics behind the scenes. So um it all comes down to communication, like you were saying though. Yeah. Is even at the beginning of the reception, I'll go up to the DJ, introduce myself. Well, I've already done it earlier in the day, but be like, Yeah, sure. Hey, um, we're done with all the portraits now, like they're all yours. Would you just do me a favor and let me know when you're gonna do the next big thing? You know, like I'll just make eye contact or whatever so that we can make sure we're ready. And they're like, Oh yeah, yeah, you know, and then they uh make sure to do that. If they were getting behind and I noticed the sunset wasn't, you know, gonna line up, then I would go just say, Hey, this is really important to them. Like, what when do you think would be the best time for us to move things around or make this happen? Because I don't want to like and that's another thing of like um being respectful of their space too, because I don't want to like steal them away and kill their party, their dance party, because that's not fun for them.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

But you have to problem solve together. And I think that they're way more open to working with you if you're like making sure they know that you value them and their respect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:11

You're not just like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this and that, and they're gonna have to deal with it. It's like, nah, be respectful, communicate.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:18

Yes, very good. You're so wise, sweetheart. Beb.

unknown 1:24:24

Beb.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:24

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:26

I don't know, but but I will say if there is a planner that's in the room, that's who I would go to first. Like if there's one that is still in charge of the timeline. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

Small pet peeve of mine, not pet peeve, but something that I just like I look at and I'm instantly very judgmental of if I'm being honest, is planners or coordinators where it's just them or they maybe have one other person with them. It depends on the wedding, but I'm like, I feel like every planner, every coordinator, they need a team, they need multiple people because sometimes it's like, oh shoot, we forgot to cut off the tags off of all these blankets that we're putting out on these chairs for the reception or whatever. And it's like, so then they're stuck cutting these tags off of a hundred blankets or whatever. And then, but then somebody else is like, we need you because this thing's happening with the bride, and it's like there's stuff that comes up you can't anticipate, and then it's important to even just have somebody that's in charge of just making sure things are happening on time. I I just for me, if I'm working a wedding, I know it's gonna go well if the planner has a team. If they don't have a team, I instantly get nervous. That's but anyway, that's my spiel. Yeah, no, that's a good idea. Hot take care.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:31

That's good. We all need help. We all think we can do it on our own, but we all need help.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:38

Okay. Um the groom clearly doesn't care about photos or videos.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:48

Slap him.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:50

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:51

It depends on if he's being respectful about it or if he's literally pouting like a little child.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

I think I've seen both. Um and so let's discuss how how to make him comfortable um so that maybe he would be willing. Um and why forced posing fails every time. Um forced posing fails. Making things fast, fun, natural um for the guys is often makes it a little bit better for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:28

But not leaving them hanging, like actually give them direction.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:33

Because if they're already coming into it feeling awkward and not wanting to do it, and then you're just like not directing them, they're gonna hate it even more.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:40

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:42

Tell them what to do with their hands.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:44

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

Yeah, and if you don't know the groom very well, like say you just met him that day, um asking one of his groomsmen, like even just pulling them aside and being like, Hey, do you have um any suggestions on how I can make this like more pleasant for them? Or maybe you can help me, you know, like remind him of something, you know, because that they might yes, they'll take direction from photographer or videographer, but sometimes there's a wall there because they don't know you at all. Sure. So like if even if it's just giving all the groomsmen a pep talk, like hey guys, like this is not meant to be like torture. Like we're just we want to get through this quickly for you so you can enjoy the party, but we also want you guys to feel like you can let loose a little bit, or yeah, you know, um, and then if you have somebody on your side that's on the inside, yeah that's helpful.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:35

What about like uh do you guys have any fun icebreakers or fun prompts that you've done in those situations where it seems like the guys just are not wanting to cooperate or not just guys, but anybody is not wanting to cooperate or not wanting to be there or do anything or whatever? Are do you guys have any tips or tricks or anything that you practice regularly for icebreakers or prompts or anything like that? Like that. I don't. Uh do you, Emma?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

Honestly, I have a lot, but I feel like I've been talking a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

No, I feel like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:10

No, really? I don't know. Please. Please. No, tell me, tell me what you do.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:16

Maybe a couple.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:17

Yeah. Okay. Well, the first thing I always try to do is just I think it's important to just start a conversation in general. So I try to have a little bit of time where I just start talking with him and I try to get his mind off of the day and what's happening. And so I'll um like the stuff that I know maybe could be stressful. And so I'll ask him, like, I don't know, like, did you uh like have a bachelor party or something? Or like, or or ask him about what he does for work or something, or I don't know, something where I just try to start a conversation, even if it's something as stupid as like, okay, so did you eat some food this morning? And they're like, Yeah, I had this burrito, and I'm like, oh my gosh, did you make it yourself? Where'd you get it? And like I just try to like start a conversation, and it's crazy how much it can help break down that wall just to start a normal human conversation, yeah, yep, and get them talking about something that they care about or burritos. Um burritos. Well, obviously, burritos are important. Um yeah, so just like getting a conversation kind of going, and then also I feel like videographers, photographers, I feel like we're really we we make a big impact on we set the tone. I feel like we have a big impact on how things feel, on the vibe of things, the environment. Yeah, and so I d I try to just present myself in a very like like I'm I'm easy going, I'm happy, this is fun, I'm not stressed, this is great. Like we can laugh, we can smile, and it's this isn't gonna be a big deal. Yeah, just kind of put off that uh I don't know, that vibe is the only word I can think of.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:46

Oh, that's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:47

And then just as far as directing goes, I try to I usually try to start with something kind of simple and involve some movement. One, so that it's good for photo and video, but two, because then it they get occupied by just doing this simple thing. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have you guys start here and will you walk from here to there? And I'm probably gonna have you do this two or three times and just be talking to each other and like you know, just you can kind of smile at each other, you can laugh if you want to, you can just whatever feels natural, but just kind of walk from here to there. And sometimes, oh, something I'll do that's a little trick of mine. I will lie to them and I will say, I'm just actually this one. I'm gonna have us do a couple practice runs because I need to make sure I got my settings right. Um, so these first two are just like a practice and it's it's a big lie. My settings are locked in, I know what I'm doing. Um and so I do that to just like give them a chance to sort of especially because then they notice I I'll like literally pretend and be like, okay, hold on, let me do the and like I act like I'm so focused on my camera, and then they're less, they feel less like I'm just focused on them. Right. So just I don't know, a bunch of little things like that. I'll I'll try to relate to them. If that means making a fart joke, I'll make a fart joke. It just I try to read the person and and go with what they need, what I think they need at least.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:03

I feel like my go-to is kind of like if I'm reading the room and I feel like the groom is not into I guess this would be um groom prep time. Sure. And I'm feeling like he's not really wanting portraits, like more posed stuff. Yep, I'll try to get as few of them as I can. I'll just be like, okay, we're gonna get like three and then I'm done. Yeah. Um like basically just like the bare minimum to be able to do some sort of little um sequence within the film, and then I'm like, okay, we're done. We're not gonna come back to this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:34

Uh some guys basically just like the structure of knowing that this is the goal, and then after that I'm good.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:42

Yeah, yeah. I guess I'm not necessarily telling them like I only need these three, but I might do like two little prompts and be like, you know what, that's good enough. We're done. Yeah, go back, hang out with your guys. Yeah. Um, instead of what I would normally do, which is like, yeah, I don't know, 10 minutes of posing with him. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:58

Sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:59

That's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

That's good. Some of the prompts I like to do are taking the attention off of us and then turning it towards each other. And so you have the guys turn to each other and like, and this is something I saw recently that I I really liked and I want to start uh implementing more, is like, turn to each other and give each other compliment or something like that, you know. And and guys will be like, they'll turn it into something like inappropriate or whatever. But it evokes natural smiles and joking and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:28

They already have their relationship, their chemistry going on. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:32

So you're turning, you're taking the attention off of you and the the situation of taking pictures, and then you're just putting it on each other and stuff like that. And I know that works well for for families and stuff like that too, and everything. And so that's great. And then obviously the the picking the groom up kind of things with all the groomsmen, that's always fun, or whatever, or just like you know, razzing each other or doing the walk thing, that's always fun. There's always things to do, you know, to to move outside of the the formal poses and stuff like that with with the guys. And I and I think that helps too to communicate that to grooms or you know, groomsmen or whatever, that hey, you know, we just want to capture the day as it as it is and stuff like that and have a great time and capture you guys in your natural element, just being with each other and stuff, and they they usually appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:23

Yes, I um like I said earlier, I'm not with the guys as much because I'm usually hanging with the girls while Stecken is with the guys. I love hearing all of these. I I do want to say that um I would only go to a best or like a groomsman and ask to help uh if I had a a warning from the bride ahead of time, which happens sometimes when they're like, hey, my fiance is really, really, really camera shy, you know, and like I'm not gonna go around his back, right? You know, but like I was thinking about that, like that sounded a little bit sneaky, but no, it's more just to have like comfort blanket around him, like support people, like you guys are saying, like giving them prompts and stuff like that is great. Um, one thing that's been really helpful for me with grooms is engagement session. And I think that even though that that's the couple, that still builds confidence with them for the wedding day.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:18

Like they know Well, it builds trust in you for them, um, which helps a ton.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:24

And I love it when a groom will show up to I guess it's a fiance at the engagement, you know, and they're like so stiff and like nervous and like I'm I hate pictures, you know, and then uh like a little bit into it, they're like, This is actually kind of fun. It's really not that bad, you know. I'm like, yeah, it's it'll be okay, you know. So yeah, I think it's just that constant reassurance that we've got you. Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna mess it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:50

Yep. I think it's great. Okay, here's one for us um that we could all have a good time with. A guest steps into the aisle with an iPad during the ceremony, straight to jail. Oh and it doesn't have to be just an iPad, but giant fire.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:12

Can you guys can you guys recall a time perhaps?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:17

I don't think that's ever happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:19

Maybe it definitely hasn't happened two times.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

My goodness. It's a funny that your scenario is a combo of our two. One, there's a guy in the aisle, and two, there was a grandma that leaned into the aisle with an iPad. With an iPad.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:35

Catholic wedding. We weren't supposed to walk down the aisle, and so someone leaning into the aisle was problematic.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:42

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:44

Oh my gosh. It's the sassiest I've ever been.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:48

Yeah, I think it's it depends when exactly it happens. Because like the grandma with the iPad, that was happening like as the couple was starting to come down the aisle. It was a really long aisle. Okay. So she the grandma was like close to the back, and we're at the very back. Yeah. The couple's way at the front. So it she's, you know, there's at that point, there's nothing we can do because it's like literally blocking the yeah, but the couple's already coming down. It's like I can't run up and tell her to move. Yeah. But if it's like, I don't know, middle of the ceremony or like right before the first kiss, and sure drunk uncle steps out into the aisle. Yeah, at that point, I might just run up and be like, you need to sit down. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Unless you need to leave. Unless it's perfect timing.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:30

Yes. Just take the shot of the first kiss through the iPad.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:38

You go up to that grandma later and be like, Can I get your email? I'd love to get the photos you captured because I didn't get a capture. Exactly. Dude. Oh, that's so good.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:47

And so beautifully passive aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:51

I I feel like in that scenario, unless you have the opportunity to go up and tell them to sit down, which I do think is okay. I don't think you're like overstepping if you do that. Yeah. But if you don't have that option, you kind of just have to like move over to the side and get what you can get. Yeah. There's not really anything to do. Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah. Just try not to get too angry and yell. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:16

Eternal rage. Yeah. You like have to maintain a level of professionalism, but you're dying inside. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:25

Okay. I'm going to do some rapid fires.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:28

And then we're stealing my thing, but whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:31

So sorry. So sorry. Okay. Um, and then I'll just I'll just rapid fire these and just quick shout out what what comes to mind. Okay. No unplugged ceremony announcement. Don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:49

Yeah. Deal with it, work around it.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:51

It's fine. Forgotten vows. Uh ring it.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:57

Like the couple forgot their vow book. Kind of a thing? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:00

Or they I guess it just goes on as normal. Yeah, just capture whatever happens. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

Yeah. Missing booton ear.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:10

Oh, this happened.

unknown 1:38:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:12

Steal it from grandpa. Yeah. Yeah. Or one of the groomsmen. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:16

The groomsman on the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:18

Sorry, you don't matter anymore. Here's one for Josh. Dead microphone during speeches. Uh cry and curse at yourself later.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:29

Oh no, just have a lot of backups. That's like a preparation thing. If you prepare and you plug into the DJ board and you have a backup microphone on the handheld mic and you have something plugged into the speaker, then you're probably good.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:41

Yeah. Yeah. Very good. I like that because you've you've taught me to do that. And actually I'll ask. I think we've we've kind of learned together, but you you've asked me many times, do you want me to set this up? Like that that little Sony IC recorder. Yeah. You'll often ask me, Do you want me to put the sleeve on the handheld? And I'll be like, nah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:02

I'm gonna stop asking. I'm just gonna start doing it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:04

I know. Yeah. I know every time I say no, you're like, oh you're like cringing inside. Um here you go, babe. First dance starts before photographer is ready.

unknown 1:39:19

Ouch.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:21

Why? Uh yeah, I mean, I guess it's better that it starts before photographer than videographer, but um you better just work twice as hard to get the shots you need. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:38

Luckily with the first dance, unless they're doing like a super choreographed thing, it's pretty much the same like five shots that you're gonna get. So that one that one's honestly like best case scenario. If something's gonna, if you're gonna arrive to something late, that's what you want to arrive late to, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:52

As long as they're not doing a 30-second dance. Oh, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:56

Um, family drama at reception.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:01

I'm Switzerland. You need to leave! Enjoy it, enjoy it. Oh my gosh, nah. Switzerland get the popcorn. Yeah, exactly. I will say I do fight for the couple though. Like I I advocate for the couple, so if some sort of drama is happening and I can sort of help shield them from that in some way, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:27

Time to be the bodyguard.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:29

I I just retreat to the wall and go, I'm just gonna watch this and I'm gonna be engaged.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:34

Just so happy. Yeah. Josh is just taking it in. He's like, this is the best thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:41

It's the most inaccurate thing ever.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:43

Oh my gosh. Vendor no show.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:47

What? Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:49

Um, let's think of like the worst case scenario. Well, photographer not showing up would be probably one of the biggest ones. Or DJ.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:57

I think those two would be the biggest.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:59

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:00

I guess Caterer.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:01

Didn't show up?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:03

Like honestly, all of them are bad guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:06

Call call in pizza. Order in pizza.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:08

I love pizza. Well, I guess we gotta reschedule. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:13

Uh I don't think there's anything you can really do for that one. You just kind of like move on. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:21

Yeah. I mean, I guess we'd we do what we can in those situations to help kind of ease everybody the best we can. But yeah, there's nothing you can do.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:30

Ooh. Should we talk about the one time that the photographer had to leave? Yes. Oh. We had a wedding where we were Emma and I were there just to shoot video. Yeah. And the photographer who we knew, we were friends with her, she had a medical emergency. She had a medical emergency.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:48

She's like, She literally had to go to the ER.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:49

Yeah. Oh my gosh. So Emma stopped shooting video and shot photo for that whole wedding.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:55

Um, I mean, obviously, not every videographer is gonna know, be able to do that. Sure. We were in a unique position for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:02

I didn't have my camera like holster or harness or whatever. And so, but I'm still like, I don't know how to shoot on just one camera. I need both my cameras. And so I was like carrying around two cameras and I'd have one like tucked under my arm and I'd like get some shots and then I'd swap it and then get some shots, and yeah. Impressive. Yeah. The best part of that whole thing was that the couple was so kind, so understanding. They were on the same page as us where we were just concerned for the photographer and hoping that she was okay. I love that. Like it was a it was a genuine medical emergency. Like there's so much uh grace for that. That's not that's not something you can control. That's not I overslept. That's not, oh, I I don't know, I went out partying and now I don't feel good or something. Yeah, so yeah, we made it work and honestly, I feel like it turned out great.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:48

Yeah, I love that. Man, thank God that you guys were there.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:51

It worked out well that the video team that was there was one that also is capable of photo. That that helped. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:58

Okay. Nice. Um, I'm not really sure what this one is. Wedding party disappears before entrances.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:07

Where are they going?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:08

So maybe before would this be like wedding party maybe coming in or something like that? Oh, like the grand entrance part of it or something. Something like that, and you can't find them. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:20

This is gonna sound bad, but like also not my job. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:24

I'm not their babysitter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:26

Uh couple wants Pinterest recreation in five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:32

If I can do it, great. I mean, yeah, I'll try, but do your best. No guarantees and tell them that no guarantees, but I'm like, we can absolutely try.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:41

Couple wants Pinterest recreation of epic uh getaway wedding photos in Italy, but are getting married in a rec room.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:54

Just laugh. Oh good one.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:01

And it's October, so it's already dark outside. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:05

Just put it into AI generator for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:09

Perfect. Um sparkler exit scheduled before sunset.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:16

Love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:16

Oh, yeah, I prefer that. Yeah.

unknown 1:44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:18

That's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:19

That would look great. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:21

All right. Would you rather shoot a wedding where the couple won't stop kissing or won't touch each other at all?

SPEAKER_05 1:44:33

When you say won't touch each other at all, how strict is that?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:36

Like, will they not Nope, just answer the question. Knee jerk reaction. No touching. No touchy.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:42

Probably the kissing one, I guess. Yeah. I guess you can use shots.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:47

They gotta come up for air at some point, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:50

I maybe the not the no touching. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:52

I think you can do some like cool stoic ones like that. And I guess it depends if like they're smiling at each other still. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:59

Then you could say if they're like cold and like they don't like each other, then I guess the kissing one in that case. But I'd be worried about much more.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:07

Yeah, I'd say the kissing one, because in theater and in like that kind of thing, I learned that it's a lot easier to have to have someone do something too big and to bring them down versus somebody who you can't get to make something big enough and you can't it's a lot easier to make someone chill a bit than it is to hype someone.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:25

Good. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:29

Okay. Um would you would you rather shoot an extreme wind or extreme heat?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:39

Heat. I mean, we just shot an extreme wind and it wasn't that bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:46

What do you call that extreme wind?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:48

I mean, we're like hitting 45 mile an hour winds.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:52

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:52

Okay, wind it is then. Yeah, that wasn't that bad. Well, okay. Yeah, I guess it depends on the location, maybe then.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:59

Yeah, we have questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:00

Yeah, I have questions.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:01

We're not good at this, I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:03

I I think I think the heat transforms attitudes way faster than wind does. So I I think I think extreme heat, nobody's gonna want to do anything. It's just gonna be a horrible experience. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:16

I don't know what you guys would consider extreme heat, like if it's like 120 or if it's like 100. I was doing a wedding in Palm Springs earlier this year, and it was 107. And at some point my body was just like, eh, you're fine now. You regulated? Yeah. Dang. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:33

Like I got so sweaty, but at some point. What were you wearing? And then what were black suit? Okay, you were wearing a full black suit. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:39

It was new. Is that like desert heat? Is that like more dry heat though?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:43

Yeah, it was dry.

unknown 1:46:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:44

Yeah, I'd go wind. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:46

Yeah, I think I'd probably lean towards the wind in that one. Same.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:53

And the hair would be up.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:55

I have a similar one to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:57

Shoot a wedding in 105 degree heat or a wedding in non-stop rain. Oh, heat instantly. Yeah. What do you think, babe?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:08

But where is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:10

Yeah, again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:11

We need clarifying. Are we inside? He has it inside mostly.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:16

Inside at 105 is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:18

No, there's air conditioning in buildings.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:20

Yeah. Yeah. Like, do we have protection from the element? Probably not, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:25

I don't know. It doesn't say. It just says, would you rather?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:29

Like, how hard is it raining? I guess probably. And is it cold?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:32

It's raining 100.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:38

That clears that up.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:41

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:43

I don't know. I would say heat because then Ugh no, I don't know. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:50

Emma doesn't do well in the heat. But cameras don't do well in the rain.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:54

Cameras don't do well in the heat either. Well, yours do. Yours have fans. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's true. But my Z6s back in the day would overheat in the heat. So Z63 hasn't done any overheating yet. But good job, Nikon.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:11

Yay. Yay.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:13

They're beginning to believe. What's another one, babe?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:20

Okay, would you rather shoot an harsh noon sign with no shade or a pitch dark reception with DJ lights only?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:27

DJ lights only for video.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:32

I think the sun.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:34

I think I'm going to the sun. I can make DJ DJ lights only look pretty good in that situation.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:39

Are we talking ceremony? I don't know. Okay. If I had to shoot the whole day with only DJ lights.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:46

I'm a no, I'm imagining since they uh since they mentioned DJ lights that it would be like reception um scenario.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:56

I do really like flash photography though. So I mean I thought that one could either. Yeah, yeah. I could go either way, honestly. Yeah. Come at me, bro. I'll do both. Yeah, we'll do it all. I fear nothing. Except the heat. Except the heat. Yeah. It's my kryptonite.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:16

What's the next one?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:17

The next one is would you rather stick strictly to a shot list or have complete creative freedom with zero guidance?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:24

Shot list 100% of the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:27

I knew you were gonna say that. I knew. And I'd say the freedom, creative freedom to just decide as things are happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:36

I think I'd go with that too. The freedom.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:39

Nothing's worse than getting to the end of the day, looking back at a shot list and realizing there was one specific shot a couple wanted and you didn't notice it on the list or you forgot it and you didn't get it or something. That is stressful.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:52

Well, disclaimer, I would love the freedom if I know for sure they're not gonna come back and be like, hey, where's this? Or I don't like this. Like what you said. Yeah, yeah. You said you trust me. So do you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:08

I'm indifferent on that one. I could go one way or the other.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:12

I feel like as is, we already have we already do the creative freedom one. Like that's every wedding. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:18

Like extra. Like the shot list is what we get for them, but we're also getting all the creative on top of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:25

When you say a shot list, I'm I'm imagining the couple is saying we want all of these shots. You can't deviate from that. Yeah. But like I've never had a couple give me a shot list except for family photo list. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:36

We've had couples that have been like, here's my Pinterest, I would really love to get um photos like this, or oh, here's a couple of photo examples they find online, and I would love to get photos just like these. I'd love to recreate these.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:48

Usually it's like a priority list that they have or whatever. But it's not like a very strict shot list. Like, this is only what you get. This is all you're about to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:56

I guess this is unrealistic, would you rather? Um, do you are you reading yours too? I can read one. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:05

Um, would you rather a packed dance floor with chaos or a perfectly clean but empty dance floor? Oh chaos. Hell yeah. Yeah, packed dance floor. I'm not really sure. Why Chad? Why? Why Chad?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:19

Oh, Chad.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:19

Uh, would you rather a super emotional wedding or a super fun wedding?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:27

Back and forth. Each wedding something different. I like the emotional, but both. Yeah, yeah. I like both.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:34

I could go either way. Like I'm indifferent on this one. They're they both sound good. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:39

And that's cool. That honestly, I feel like that is what we experience is we do get both. And that's nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:44

Yep. I think I might, I might lean more towards the emotional one.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:49

Yeah. I think I'd agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:51

Here's here's a a good one for this. Is like a filmmaker specific one, but I'm I'm curious about your your answer to this. Yeah. Um, would you rather never shoot golden hour again or never use audio from Vow's speeches again? Oh, never shoot golden hour.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:09

Uh that's what she said, like like right away. I maybe this is the hot take. I don't really care that much about golden hour specifically. Like I want couple portraits. Yeah. Um, but if they're in noonday sun, I think you can still make them look good. Good.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:24

I actually like blue hour more than golden hour most of the time. Maybe it's just because I shoot in golden hour a lot and don't get to do blue hour as much, but I love blue hour so much. Blue. It just always looks so nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:38

It is nice. All those rich tones. Why'd you stop? Oh god. Oh man. Um, yeah, I would pick uh no golden hour.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:00

But you can fake golden hour.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:02

So that's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:03

And you can get really cool photos of the couple pretty much any time of the day. Yeah. Obviously, the lower in the sky the sun is, the nicer it's gonna look generally. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:13

That question is so funny too, because it's like, would you rather never be able to drive a Honda Civic again or never have a house again? It's like the audio makes the film. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:29

Oh, definitely uh the house.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:32

Right, right. I need my Honda Civic. Yeah, you can live in your Honda Civic.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:40

Oh, I'm trying to pick. Uh okay, would you rather be 45 minutes behind all day or have massive gaps of dead time in the schedule?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:53

For the couple's sake, I'd say gaps. For my own sake, I'd say running behind because I don't like being bored. But for the couples' sake, I'd say gaps, because then things are gonna go better. We're gonna not miss stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:06

It's surprisingly annoying to have large gaps where you're not doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:11

Especially when oh, when it's like you know you're supposed to be doing something right then, but you can't because the people aren't there or whatever that you need. Yeah. Because then you're just stressed and bored.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:22

So I'm assuming I would be forced to do nothing in these gaps. Like I can't, there's nothing you can do.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:31

Maybe you've already gotten all of the stuff you can get details-wise. So then you're literally just waiting on people and there's nothing you can do. There's just the people aren't there.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:39

I don't know. I kind of like a break.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:42

I like the gaps.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:43

I kind of like the break.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:44

I think that's a great time to try new things.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:47

So, like if you're not allowed, like different shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:49

Well, it doesn't say that. It just says there's massive gaps of dead time.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:54

That's why I said I'm not allowed to do anything in these gaps.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:59

If I'm not stressed, if I'm not stressed, I would like it. But if I'm stressed because something's supposed to be happening that isn't happening, then I don't think I'd be able to enjoy the gap. I'd just be like frantically like, okay, are they here yet? Where are they?

SPEAKER_05 1:55:11

I guess you're gonna be stressed if you're 45, if you're constantly 45 minutes behind, though. So maybe the gaps are better.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:17

Yeah. I I don't think I could live in constant stress all day long for an eight to ten hour wedding day.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:26

That that seems rough. Yeah. That's never happened before ever. No, never. Um okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:36

Hashtag blast.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:41

Um would you rather color grade tricky mixed lighting or fix bad exposure all day?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:50

Uh I have questions. What what am I shooting in? Is this my footage? Is this my 10-bit log footage?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:01

I guess so.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:03

Because I would I would fix exposure over the mixed lighting.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:08

Yeah. If it's like uh if you're talking like everything is clipped, overexposed, then I mean that's just ruined footage. You can't really fix it. But if it's just like, oh yeah, they constantly shot a little too high or a little too low, I just gotta bring that back. It's way easier. I'd rather do that one. Yeah, way easier. I'll denoise it if I need to. Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:26

Okay, but would you rather have clear vows but no ambient audio or great ambient audio but muffled vows?

SPEAKER_04 1:56:33

Clearer vows. I can add uh sound effects in for ammy audio.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:38

What do they call it? Fully? No, that's something.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:40

Yeah, okay. Very good. Thank you. Wow. Applause.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:45

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:46

Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:50

I wish you guys could see Emma. She's just so chill right now. So horizontal. She's about 15 minutes from falling asleep. Josh knows me. 15 minutes. Count it down.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:05

Okay. Um, would you rather have a couple that hates photos or a couple that won't stop staging everything?

SPEAKER_05 1:57:15

I don't know. Uh, probably the staging, because I feel like I can just work with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:20

And I see, I kind of like the challenge of a couple who doesn't like having their photos taken because then I see it as like a watch, I'm gonna make you like this. You're gonna end up liking it. Watch me change your opinion. You just haven't experienced me yet. So basically, I'm I'm very humble. Um, but I just I get I get really sick of the staged post stuff. It just yeah, it's so insincere, and weddings are supposed to be just like such a sincere, precious time, and I don't like when it feels super fake because it's like it's such a holy thing. I'm like, I I don't know. I think fakeness isn't holy.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:00

I think if it was a one-off, like this couple is, you know, they they just want to stage everything, that would just make my job really easy that day, and I would just do it and then move on.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:10

Sure. Yeah, fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:13

I guess it depends on if they're good at staging it or not. That is a good point. Um, okay. Would you uh rather have a huge bridal party that won't listen?

SPEAKER_06 1:58:28

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:29

Or a tiny one with awkward energy. Tiny one with awkward energy.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:38

Yeah, I mean, I guess that one, because it kind of sounds like the first one, you literally are never gonna be able to wrangle them.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:44

So I'm torn though, because if they're just like all hanging out and having a blast and not listening to anything, I could I I say I could still capture a bunch of good stuff from that and just choose that in the in the edit as far as a film goes, but portraits that would be another story. So I guess it kind of depends what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:04

And I guess the pompous part of me again is like, oh, I can get them to listen. Pompous. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely would struggle in that. I'm like, listen, I will pull out my theater voice. I will punch you in the face.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:20

I will use physical violence.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:23

No, I mean, I probably I'm just delusionally optimistic. I'm like, I could get I could make people see reason. I could get them to work with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:31

But if you're if the prompt is genuinely they just won't, then that's a nightmare, and I would rather a small awkward group. Sure. Same.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:41

I don't have the best voice for wrangling a large wedding party. I yell for you. Yes, I'd be like, um, excuse me, let me call in Emma to be my voice.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:51

We need to add a megaphone to project. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:54

Yes, like a little collapsible one. Yeah. That'd be so cute. That would be cute.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:58

One of those like and then she can sound the siren before she's like, There we go. Yeah. Um I have I have a couple that are like uh couple focused, would you rathers? Oh they're uh yeah. What does this mean? Okay. Um so these would be for couples. Would you rather spend more on photo video or spend more on venue decor? Ponder that one, couples. Ponder that one. What would you guys do?

SPEAKER_00 2:00:41

I mean, I think it goes without saying I think I'm gonna be the conicure in here.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:53

I think I'd rather spend more in venue decor. Yeah, there you go. Because I think if you uh if you have a crappy looking venue, a good photographer can only do so much, but a lower quality photographer is still gonna be able to make a really pretty venue look good.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:09

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:11

And I guess you also have to ask, like, what tier of photo video are you in? And then what tier of venue and decor are you in?

SPEAKER_05 2:01:20

Like if I have to get a person who's never shot a wedding before, if that's the trade-off, then I'm probably not gonna do that. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 2:01:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:28

Um, would you rather big wedding with everyone or small, intimate wedding with your dream experience? This seems pretty easy to me, but small.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:39

Small all day.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:41

Yeah. Big big with everyone.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:44

Big with everyone, which is kind of what Emma and I did.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:46

Yeah, it's true. And that was really special.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:49

And I mean, how often do you get to have everyone in your life together in one place?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:55

But it did feel like I didn't get to see everyone or really spend that much time with them.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:59

And so honestly, I think that's more down to how poorly our wedding was structured. Like I would probably change everything about our wedding, but I would enjoy a big wedding if I was able to do it correctly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:11

Well said.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:12

Okay. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:13

I like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:14

Small wedding, big reception.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:16

Like a separate day. Oh, I like that. I would love that. I would love that. Yeah. Yeah. I like those two. Yeah. Um first look or traditional aisle reveal. First look. I mean, in our experience, we much prefer the first look. Yes. But we've also run into many couples who prefer the traditional aisle reveal because it's, you know, like it says, more traditional. And to them it just seems more special. So of course we always respect their wishes.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:49

We do. Yeah. I like both, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:52

She said with great enthusiasm and support in her voice.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:57

Uh I like both, honestly. Um, because we've had plenty of couples where they have the first look and it's this really sweet emotional time. And then I assume that it's not gonna be like that for the wedding because it's like, oh, they already did it. But then they also are emotional for the the down the aisle. Yeah. And so then I'm like, oh, cool, we got both. Um but then there are some where it's like they have more of an emotional first look in private, but then down the aisle, it's kind of not as emotional, and I'm always like, oh, it's a little bit of a bummer. So I guess it depends on because I ultimately really love an emotional down the aisle uh moment. So if having a first look gets rid of that, then I would rather have down the aisle.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:44

If uh yeah, so it just it depends. I guess it depends on the couple.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:49

Yep. I agree. And I think every couple What is happening over here?

SPEAKER_01 2:03:54

Michaela's dropping cheese on the table. I feel like that has like a double meaning. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_04 2:04:00

Dropping cheese on the table. It's like kind of like cutting cheese, but it's like a little messier, a little more solid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:07

What?

SPEAKER_04 2:04:12

What are you doing? Um, you know, I'm just dropping cheese on the table.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:16

Dropping cheese.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:17

Just don't mind me.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:18

Yeah. I had dairy, not supposed to have dairies. Now I'm dropping cheese on the table. Sorry, for a moment there, my father possessed me. I am going to right now.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:30

Here's a dangerous one, guys. Here's a dangerous one. Okay. This is dangerous territory. Would you rather amazing photos or amazing video?

SPEAKER_00 2:04:48

Video. Video.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:52

Wow. I'm torn. Yeah? I kinda I kind of want to go photo. Dang. Because I can print a photo and I can't print. Surprising turn of events.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:04

Yeah, but keep in mind with video, I mean it's not gonna be the same, but you can, you know, pull a still from it. That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, uh it's both. Yeah. And you just like it captures more of the moment in a in the in a way that is more real, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:24

All right, you've convinced me. I'm gonna buy a videography package. Yes, me too.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:28

Awesome. Sign right here. And sign right here. Give me your first one.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:37

Uh those are all of the Woody Rathers that I have.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:41

Amazing.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:43

I dropped cheese on my list.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:47

That's another euphemism.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:54

I dropped cheese on my list. I dropped cheese on my list. If you know what I mean. If you know what I mean. There's a game on whose mind is it anyway, where they're like, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:07

If you know what I mean. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:14

Well, do you have more, babe?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:17

I I I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:20

Do more, do more. Don't want to keep doing them forever. Okay, I was trying to think some. I couldn't think of any.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:27

I have a couple more.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:29

Okay. Um, would you rather have a guest constantly in your shot or a guest trying to direct you?

SPEAKER_05 2:06:38

Oh. I think I could. I'm not having fun anymore.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:43

I think uh I think constantly in my shot. Because I can I want to go home. No, wait. What am I saying? Sorry, no, trying to direct me because I can ignore them. Ignore them. Yeah, yeah. It's harder to ignore someone standing in front of my lens.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:59

Emma can set a little fire and fix that right up. Yep. I can always start a little fire.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:03

Small fire.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:05

Oh yeah. Small fire queen.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:08

Yeah, I I I agree. I think I could probably tune out the the guest who's trying to direct me all day. And I would just play along and be like, oh yeah, that's great. You know, that's great.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:21

You're so nice. I probably would play dumb a little if I'm being honest. Be like, I'm sorry, what was uh I gotta oh I'm sorry, I gotta get this. Hold on. Like just like kind of play dumb and like, oh, I can't hear you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:34

It happens so often, you guys, when people are like, you should get this shot, and you got it like five minutes ago or an hour ago, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:41

Or the most humbling thing when you realize, oh crap, I should get that. That is a good shot. I didn't see that. And then that's you know, that's a good, good ego check. You're like, okay, that actually is decent, and I need to chill.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:53

That's that's the Lord sending away a guardian angel.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:56

Yeah, that's happened to me a few times, and I I get all bitter, and then I'm like, Emma, stop it. Stop it. This is good.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:04

Um, would you rather lose your camera battery mid-ceremony or your memory card at the reception?

SPEAKER_01 2:08:10

Uh you can't function without either one. Well, I guess I got dual memory cards, so if you're only taking one, I can work.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:19

Uh caveat. Loophole. Loophole. Um, yeah, I think I would probably do the card at the reception because uh ceremony is it doesn't matter because if you lose your card, you're losing the whole day.

unknown 2:08:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:35

So you're gone either way. Good point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:39

So I guess the battery at the ceremony, because at least we have before. Yeah. But I don't know. I think you're just completely screwed either way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:46

Yeah, that's a bummer.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:47

Yeah. Just all around bad. Don't let this happen to you. So the real question is would you rather do that or be Josh and forget all your batteries and show up to shoot for Shauna McCain and not have any batteries with you?

SPEAKER_01 2:09:04

You had one whole battery. One whole battery.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:09

Happens to the best of us.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:10

Uh I said, as soon as he told me that, I was like, I remember my first wedding. I can't believe they paid me for that day.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:20

We did? I strictly told you not to pay him for that day. I think you owed us.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:26

Wait, did you have to shoot on an icon?

SPEAKER_05 2:09:28

Send him an invoice all the way until the like the dancing portion with the one-one battery. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:34

You were super vigilant about turning the camera off. Shout out C70. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:39

C70.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:40

Great battery life.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:41

Okay, would you rather lose all the reception footage or all the ceremony footage? Reception.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:46

Yeah, it's gonna have to be reception. Yep. It has to be.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:50

I mean, the whole day is kind of centered around the ceremony. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:55

It's funny though, because uh the uh when I'm making the film, I think I value the reception footage more, but if I had to lose something, I guess it would be the reception footage. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:04

Yeah, the reception stuff is so fun.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:06

Like it's so fun to look at and the ceremony is pretty, but it's the cocktail hour where you get to like see all the guests.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:16

Yeah. The ceremony is probably the most important part.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:18

Probably. Because that's where they're actually getting married. I guess.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:24

Whatever. Minor details.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:26

Details. Details, sh me Shme Tails. Shme Tales. Shmi Tails.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:32

Shmoo tails.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:34

We're so tired.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:38

Oh, we're on episode three. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:45

Um smile on your face right now. I'm so excited. I'm hating.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:57

Would you rather deal with orange tungsten lighting or green fluorescent lighting all day?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:03

Orange tungsten for sure. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:07

I like how quickly you guys like chose that.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:10

Skin still looks good in orange.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:12

Trying to picture green fluorescent lighting.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:14

Tungsten lighting is way more color accurate than the fluorescent lighting. I trust the videography. You can adjust and still things will still look good.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:25

I'm like, whatever. We'll just turn it black and white. That's your answer for everything.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:33

Honey, our finances are out of control. Make it black and white. You're confused.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:42

That's not what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:45

Would you rather a bridezilla or a bride's momzilla?

SPEAKER_00 2:11:55

Is this funny because I have had more mothers of the brides or grooms As Zillas and then brides in yourself.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:03

That's like yeah, that's something I never would have expected going into this industry. But where I'm at now, I'm like, oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:11

I think I would probably just lean more towards the mom just because you might have an advocate in the bride a little more in that scenario. Um like they would try to control mom a little bit or you know, whatever. You would you would but if it's the bride, you're done. You're cuped.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:33

Oh yeah, you're walking on eggshells all day.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:36

Yeah. Whereas if it's the mom, the bride can be the middleman. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:43

Would you rather trip during the processional or forget a key family grouping of photos?

SPEAKER_05 2:12:49

Trip. Well, for video, I'd rather just forget the the family showing.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:56

Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:59

Um if I was the main photographer, I would I would take the trip over forgetting that.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:07

Same.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:08

But shake it off. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:16

How about this one? Would you rather have your outfit malfunction or your shoes become unbearable halfway through the day? You've had this happen. This has never ever happened before.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:30

Uh am I indecent with the outfit malfunction?

SPEAKER_04 2:13:34

Your bra is showing out the back of your outfit. Shoot. Oh. Wide open.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:40

I know what you're talking about. I was so uncomfortable. I'm like, does she know? Um pins and gaffes. For the sake of professionalism, I'd rather the shoe thing. Yeah. For my own sake, I would rather my shoes be comfy and have a problem with my outfit, but it's not about me and my comfort. It's about being professional and what we provide for our clients. So I would say the painful shoes.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:08

I'm trying to think what a wardrobe malfunction would be for us. Maybe a zipper breaking on our pants or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:14

Or you could split your pants. Split.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:17

Yes. There you go. I guess I'm getting a little uncomfortable shoes. For the same thing Emma said. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:23

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:25

Yeah, just endure it. Yep. Try not to wince every step. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:32

Brutal.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:33

Have you guys ever split your pants before? I have. Bowling. Bowling, yeah. A pair of jeans. You remember that? Yep. I went to I was doing my stretches before. As always. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:48

Doing my deep stretches before I bowled. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:51

Like you should.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:52

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:52

No, I went to bowl and I took a stride and it was rip.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:56

Game over.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:58

Can feel that. That's right. Little breeze.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:00

Yeah. Oh, wait a second. Josh, this happened to me at a wedding years ago. Yes, you remember I was when I was wearing a jumpsuit, like a romper thingy. And um, yes, because I remember uh the photographer was like from Idaho or something, and it was uh do you remember this? Her name was Tally something or whatever, and I was wearing like my old black jumpsuit overall thingies, and I went into like a squad of some sort and they ripped like in the butt crotch area, and I was so embarrassed. And we were so far away from home or even like civilization, it was like out in the woods, and so uh, but thankfully we discovered that if like the way where it ripped was very hard to see and not very big, so I just like shuffled awkwardly for the rest of the day. Nice, but I might have worn like a jacket around my waist or something. I can't really remember what it is. It sounds like a little bit familiar, yeah. I was and it was the beginning of the day where it happened too, so that was you know, worst case scenario.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:00

Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:01

Yeah. Wait, I want to hear yours, Michaela.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:03

What happened to you? Oh, I also had a jumpsuit that the zipper broke.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:08

It was her favorite jumpsuit because it was so cute.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:11

So where was the zipper located? Are we talking like a side zipper, back zipper? My entire back.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:18

Oh no. No. Gaff tape for the wind. No way.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:21

I was gonna say, I'm like, did you find safety pins or something? Gav tape. No, I didn't. That's amazing. Taped me in. Did it was it super obvious? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:34

Oh, that sucks.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:35

But it worked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:37

She comes over. I need your help. She has all this gaff tape that she borrowed. From the DJ. Oh yeah. So thank you, DJ.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:46

Yeah. Luna's so cute right now.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:50

Oh, she's a little fluff ball.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:52

She's cute. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:54

Little ball of fluff.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:55

Oh. All right. This is fun.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:58

This was fun. It was a blast. It's always a blast getting together.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:03

No matter what we do, just getting together is always so fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:06

I could be stuck in an elevator with you guys and it would be fun.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:08

Totally. Yeah. We could do a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:10

We could.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:11

Ooh, yeah. From the elevator. I need a way. Yeah, I need a way. Well, we could, yeah, we could do it on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be perfect. We'll plan it.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:19

No. All right. So I'll light a small fire. And that's why we're stuck in the elevator. Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:30

Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you in the next episode. Bye.