Underdog Tow Owner - Bill Head Coach of TW1 Boxing Gym

In this episode of Underdog to Owner, I sit down with Bill, the Owner & Head Coach at TW1, to talk about what it really takes to build a boxing gym and keep it running at a high standard. We get into Bill’s journey, the mindset behind training fighters, how discipline is built day-by-day, and what TW1 stands for in the community.

If you’re into boxing, fitness, or building something real from the ground up, this conversation is packed with lessons you can apply straight away.

Topics we cover:
How Bill built TW1 and what it takes to run a boxing gym
Discipline, confidence, and mindset inside and outside the ring
Coaching fighters vs coaching everyday people
Creating a strong gym culture and community

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

If you give me two seconds of your time, I'd just like to say a massive thank you for following me so far. This really can't be done without you, listeners. So thank you. Welcome to Under Dog to Owner Podcast, where we dive into inspiring stories from entrepreneurs and innovators. I'm your host, Paul Atkins, and today I'm excited to be joined by Bill, entrepreneur and boxing coach. He's built him with a completely different feel, training, recovery, sword and spar, a members-only facility, and behind it all, his own journey. Now he's helping kids overcome their challenges outside the ring, not just inside the ring. Let's go. Welcome, Bill. Honestly, I appreciate your time because I know you're busy and I know it's um it's hectic here as well. So uh you're very welcome then. No, I appreciate it. It's just to get this out there, it is impressive. Like I've been in a lot of boxing gyms in my time. Um it's probably one of the best ones I've ever been in. Really? But it is the best one I've been in. That's yeah, by a country mile. That means a lot of thank you, mate. Yeah, no, it is impressive, Bill. And uh obviously um it's in Essex. Uh location is Onger. Onger, Essex. You'd never heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Some obviously some people haven't, do you know what I mean? Nice, lovely little village. But um obviously you've got your Harlow next to it, you got Chelmsford, yeah. Epping, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so come off the M11, yeah. So come off at Harlow and then you ain't too far away. But um But yeah, uh yeah, I'm pleased that Harris turned out to be fair.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

I love the black and gold. We was talking about it off off air, weren't we? And it is it's it's it's the bollocks. Like I like I genuinely mean it, it's slick, it looks good.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Yeah, we try and keep it as clean as we can. It looks spotless, mate, to be fair.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

It's the cleanest gym I've ever been in. Yeah, some of the shit I was up in.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

I think it's quite important, you know, if you're if you're trying to create saying and you you know you're you're dealing with the public and you've got a members' gym, you know, you've got to keep it to a respectable agree. And you have.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, it looks good, and uh yeah, I was a little bit blown away when I walked in, and then I've I've had a walk around that at the back end you've got your spars and your saunas, and it's it's what's yeah, it's crazy and it's crazy, but obviously, start really. I think we start with uh your childhood, like what was it like growing up?

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Do you know what? I had a really, really good childhood.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Did you?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Like my mum and dad are just unbelievable. Do you know what I mean? Really lovely people. Nice. Um all my family are to be fair. Um, but I was just a menace, mate. I was just an absolute menace. Like, but I don't like I can't even tell you certain things on here because it's like you wouldn't believe. I was literally like Dennis the Menace times ten, and now I've been repaid back with my own little boy who's Dennis the Menace also. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah, was never too far.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

No, but he's um I wouldn't change him for the world either. Do you know what I mean? You know, when you start he's always buzzing around and this and that and doing things you shouldn't, but I just feel like that's his character, do you know what I mean? And you just gotta let him do his own thing, and it is stressful at times, and it does cause arguments in the in the in the household. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:29

It's like because it is like stressful, but but yeah, I just think um So your your your childhood was it was fairly normal, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Proper normal school school um How did you do? Oh bad. Yeah I got kicked I think I got kicked out of probably every school I went in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

You remind me of my sister, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

But I'm not proud of it though, do you know what I mean? Like I sit here and laugh, but then I think I can like just get your head down, do you know what I mean? But I just I don't know, I couldn't I couldn't help it. I was I was I was ADHD. Um my mum used to have to put like tablet phones into my food and into certain drinks you know to calm me down. I was just yeah mate.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

So you had it bad the ADHD.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yeah, I was just I just yeah, I was just mad of it.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

It the problem is back then it wasn't really diagnosed as well as it should be, and you were just naughty, right? They treated you as just a naughty kid with all this negression and energy. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Yeah, I mean And I feel sorry for me, mum and dad, do you know? Mum and dad, if you're watching, I do apologise.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

I I think I can I I was always a good good kid, right? But my sister was thrown out of every school in Maidstone. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. That comes from my mum's side of her family. She's completely different from me. She's yeah, I mean she's a she's my sister and I love her more than the world, but she was that very similar. Yeah, we're gonna be. So my my so I've got obviously my my mum had um oh god, four sisters. I'll get this wrong, but I think it's four sisters and one brother, uh one past, so she had five sisters, one brother, and um one of the sisters married into Irish, hence the boxing. Yes. Uh he like Mark, um he was a pro, he had 30 pro fights. Uh yeah, he was decent to be fair, Mark was. Um, but that's there where the Irish come from, so I don't know. I but I know that the the Beanie is a Romanian and a Romanian gypsy, so yeah, they it was massively in Tumbridge Wales, high brooms, that's where we're from. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

So I used to so my mum and dad took on a hotel in Eastbourne. So we used to go, we used to come home every weekend, and we used to go past Tunbridge Well every week. Do you know what I mean? It's nice up there. It's lovely.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

It's lovely, but we were in the rough part. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. But it's fine. But so you obviously with with your schooling, you left school with you didn't didn't leave school with much? Left school with no grades at all.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yeah, I think I even I was that much of a fool when I was in school. Thought I was I was trying to be the class clan all the time. Yeah. And I think I even got chucked out of my exam hall because I was messing around in an actual exam. Like, who does that? Do you know what I mean? No. And when I talk about it, I think you idiot. But you know, here I am now. Um It's the journey. Yeah, it's the journey, it is the journey, you know. Like, just because you know, I say to kids now, like, when they're in the gym and they say to me, Um, I hate school, I hate school and all that, and I go to them, no. Like, I stop and I'm like, school's the best time of your life. Like, like, before you know it, bang, it's so like enjoy this time, do you know what I mean? And they're like looking at me with a weird face. I would do anything to go back and do it again. I wouldn't want to change what I've got now because I'm I'm I'm I feel so blessed that what I've got, like, my wife, my children. That's what gets me up in the morning. Do you know what I mean? I agree. And um that's what that's what that's what makes me. Sometimes you don't want to get up, do you? Sometimes I feel burnt out with it. Yeah, this this job I feel, I do feel burnt out a bit because it's a it's an active job, you know. I'm not coming in sitting behind the counter and uh and sitting around and whatever. This is like constantly for like some days 12, 10, 12 hours a day. Yeah, that can take its toll. Yeah, and then I'm going home and I'm literally floating. Yeah. So, and everyone who works the same job as me will understand what I'm saying. Yeah, of course. Because other people wouldn't who don't do that line of work. So any boxing trainer or any PT that are are are booked up with a client base will know if they're doing the paddles and the pads on the time and they're doing the boxing movements, it is so draining. Yeah, I bet. It's an exercise. You're you're exercising all the day. But then I think like don't moan about it because you could be I don't know, you could be labouring for someone. Yeah. You know, yeah. Done that. Yeah, I've done it. I've done it, I've done I've done everything. Yeah. You know, and I've I've felt that so many businesses that I've tried to do have failed at them, but that's just part of the journey.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Well, yeah, when you left school, you you needed to find work, I I take it, like a bit like myself. Uh no qualifications, a bit like myself, nothing guy, nothing. I left at 15. Um what did you do?

SPEAKER_00 8:30

So I I left school and I asked my I asked my dad to get me along and I I love cars. Right. I love cars, mad about cars. So I actually opened up my own company, I think about at the age of 18, um, and that was an alloy alloy wheel referring company. So I I was labouring for someone, and then I was obviously learning it. You know how it works, you learn the trade and try and want to go off on your own. Um, and that's what yeah, that's that's that's sort of what happened. I had a um a van mobile, massive big uh Volkswagen Crafter van. And at the time, it's it sounds cringy now, do you know what I mean? It is cringy, but it was catchy. So when Only Wayers Essex was out there and it was like the big thing, everyone into it. I thought, what can I call this company, right? And it was quite clever from me, really. As much as people might have laughed at me, I didn't care because it it it done well for itself. And Joey used to always say about ream, ash bream, mate, didn't he? So I called it remotes. Makes sense. And then I put on the t above it, the only way is refurb. Did ya? Instead of the only way is Essex, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Def, catch it.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

So I created that. My dad got me the loan. Um, so I got the van and I got everything. I went up to Portsmouth to do the course, the LO wheel course, knowing how to rub the wheel down, blah blah blah. And then I just got quite good at it, and off I went. So that was my step out of school. Yeah. I went straight into being my own boss, and I've always had that mentality of I don't want someone telling me what to do. Yeah. I don't know if that's I just don't want someone bossing me around. No. Um, but sometimes I found like in life, when you are trying to do it on your own sometimes, is sometimes it's easier for someone to just pay your money in your account every day.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah, or every week or every month and say, There you go, thank you very much. Then you haven't got any egg. Because when you are you know what it's like. When you own your own businesses, it's very stressful. It can take your life over, and you know, you can you can get in some dark places with it.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Yeah, especially at the start, no one gives you no one give you a book to say, Well, this is how you do it, Bill. This is how you run a this is how you run an alloy, you know, business. Yeah, you're a kid, really. Yeah, I'm a kid, yeah. And that's a massive big vote. Exactly, a massive figure. You you don't know taxes, you don't know uh business, you've got no business idea or sense because you you're you're still young. It's a big step for a uh a kid as such, isn't it? Yeah and you must have come against some uh some right obstacles and some I'll bet, I'll bet, yeah. But they're your failures, right? They're the the obstacles are the stuff that you learn. How long was you doing that for?

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Uh 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, 20, maybe three or four years, maybe. I've done it a few years. Um I actually really enjoyed it. When when I used to do a wheel, rub it down, get you know, get it up to prep, get it painted, and it dried off under them lamps, it it used to be worth it. Because I just be like, look at that. And then I used to say, Do you want the calipers done while the wheels are off? And I used to get all the I never used to just lash it up, everything was perfection with me. Like everything I'd do, I'd try and do it to the best of my ability.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

So like I'd mask it up properly, I'd take my time on it. Yeah, it might it might take me two, three hours more, but at least do you know what I mean? I used to put the stickers onto the caliper, so I'd used to have like an aldi sticker or so and then I used to lacquer over them. You know what I mean? Little things that had the no one done, just some little touches, so I um so yeah, like I I did enjoy it, and then come winter time, hated it. Yeah, or outside of love, or when you're doing someone's uh I was I was doing lamborginis, I was doing some proper cars. Yeah, nice. And if they've been in a car wash with silicon, yeah, that silicon reacts to your solvent paint, right, and it reacts to the will. And then you've got a ice a headache. So anyone in who knows about that sort of line of work, yeah, solvent paint don't go with silicon because it it makes like spider webs.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Oh, does it?

SPEAKER_00 12:49

And creates this a massive problem. So and I'll tell you a funny story quickly. I had done some work for a fellow called Johnny uh Johnny Palmer. Right. A Johnny Goldfinger. They used to call him you know from Tenerife. Yeah. Well we we knew him. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Do you know what I'm talking about? I do now, yeah, now I do, yeah, I must do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

And he's he's probably like, yeah, he's probably one of the richest men I've I've probably ever known. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

And he used to bid me like, go on, do them for 35 quid real and that. Like, I think, mate, you're worth an absolute function. Like, I think he was like, I think he was like near, I think he had more money than George Michael at one time.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Yeah, yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Uh he was like at a level with a queen or Saint Man. Ridiculous, man. Yeah, like ridiculous. And then he's bidding me 35, 40 quid away.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

That's what they do.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

I know, it's crazy. They're mad, isn't it? And then I remember once I'd done this, he said, you can do all these cars. He had about 30 of them. He said, do them all, we'll just go through them. And I'm out the back one day, and I really wanted to get this done and get out of there. And I got them done, I took my time with them, I turned around, the spider webbed all over the wheel. Right? Well, I started smashing all the van up. So right, so so the van's rocking. Yeah, I am attacking my own van inside, and the van must be gonna see that and visually. As I've opened the door in a rage, Johnny Palmer's standing there, he went, girl, you what's you okay? I went, no, not really, John. I'm gonna have to c I'm gonna have to come back, mate. He went, Don't stress. And I thought, now you don't realise I'm doing a £35 a wheel because I've got so many to do. I've got to wait for these for at least four or five days for them to drive properly so I can DA them. Just to waste it, honestly, just yeah, little money. No money, yeah, at a loss.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah, yeah. We we funnily enough, the uh the last guy that I interviewed, uh Lee, talks about when he first ever set his academy up. And if you listen when you listen to the podcast, he's uh he basically sits there and says, Yeah, you know, we did all this first time when we turned up, I think there was 15 kids and we were over the moon, you know, first ever session, blah blah, and we had these brand new, I think it was McDonald's balls, like you know, whatever. He says, and we got so excited, he says, we ended up giving the ball to the kid, like the 15 balls out. And I said, How much do you lose? He says, Yeah, we made no money on the first, you know, thing, and and things like that, and things like that the process of learning the right and wrong way. I think that's that's I think everything you fail or mess up with, you go, Well, I'm not doing that again.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yeah, do you know what I feel like I've lived such I'm a trial at the end of the day, and no one can ever knock me for that. I've tried I've tried at everything, but I definitely wouldn't want my kids having the life that I've had as in the stress, the stress levels come like through the roof, and I don't want them to have that. No, you know what I mean? No. Because stress, stress, stress is can kill you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Well you're building something, you've built something, sorry, that probably will take that away from them, you know, because if you you know your sense of what you've gone through, not just with this, but the sense of what you've gone through uh emotionally or whatever you mistakes that you've made, you'll hopefully educate them to not make the same runs. 100% yeah, I'm the same. I do I uh where my girls are you wouldn't believe well, yeah, my my eldest, you wouldn't believe that she's my eldest because she speaks very, very well, uh very posh. You know, she's like you're like, where's she come from? Yeah, it's great though. It's amazing. And she you know, she's flying, and my youngest is the same, she's flying as well.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

So kind of like you educate them to be Yeah, like basically don't do that because I've been there, I've done it, and I I've you know I just yeah, I just think when I sit here and think about it, I just won't want them to have just yeah, it's it's been a stressful ride. Yeah, and it's sort of we're here now, and it's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, we're here and it's just sort of starting to settle, and I've I do stand back and think bloody hell, like it's it's you know, it's it's turned out well, and um who knows in the future, yeah, you know, number two. But why not?

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Like I think that's the scope, isn't it? It's like never stand still, you know, especially in your industry anyway. I mean, you're never gonna stand still in a ring. So the alloy, where did you go from there, from the alloy to the the stepping stone? Did you did you go right enough now? I'm done with this.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

So I got out of the uh the I had all contracts as well. I had I had I had like a BMW contract, a Sittner, I had I had a few bits, it was alright, yeah. I just lost the love for it. Right, I lost the love for it. I don't want my I couldn't feel my fingers. So you have sore, yeah, sore fingers, I've got paint all over me, I'm breathing in solvent paint. Like, I don't want I don't want to do this all my life, do you know what I mean? No, I'll get it. So yeah, I moved on. Um I think I sold it off in the end. Um and then the next thing, what did I do on the next thing? Um I opened up a furniture company. Did you? Yeah. What made you do that? Oh, I was mad. So we ordered, so my missus ordered a bed, right? And um at the time it was the crushed velvet stuff. Remember the everyone, everyone just went mad for it. It was crushed velvet. Yeah. And um, and she she ordered the bed and I went, how much do you give for that? And she said it, and I went, Is it any good? She went, well they look good, right? I went, all right, wait till it gets here. So I'm expecting it as the geezer's deliver delivering the bed, and I'm going, How much you do me 20 of these beds? And he needed like sort of like he was a bit took back. He went, 20 20. I went, yeah. He went, let me you have to speak to the boss. I went, okay, put him on the phone. I said, what's the price you do me? And I was I was bartering with him and that. I said, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I'll do. I said, I'll I'll give your driver some money now. I said, start the process. I said, do me 20. He said, okay, so I got them for a good price, but I had them all delivered at me. Yeah. So you think 20 beds at my ass? I've got them hanging out in the garage. What was your what'd your missus say? She said, Go on, yeah, go, go on, do it. I thought I sold them all. Sold every single one of them on my WhatsApp.

unknown 19:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah, I just went WhatsApp. 20 beds. I put that but I set that bed up, I set that my own bed up and went, put it on a WhatsApp. I went, anyone want some of these? And they just went ping double king boom boom boom. Can I get in this, that, da-da-da-da-da, and sold them all. And that's how the that's how it started. And then and then my father-in-law. He um father-in-law is like, where do I start with him? Oh mate, I uh yeah, I am a lot. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I am a lot.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

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SPEAKER_00 20:26

Do you know what I mean? And um yeah, uh he came along and he got a sniff of it and he went, What's going on here? He said, You need I was only young, he went, You need a you need a van, and that's a delivery, and you need this and that. And I went, go on, what are you getting at? And he said, Oh, would you do you want me to come in? I went, Come and then, do you know what I mean? So he came in and come on on the journey. So he he got bought us the van, he bought us this. You know, you've got to remember, I've got 20 beds sitting on my driveway, I haven't got a Luton van. I haven't got I haven't got money to go out and do it. I'm I'm still I'm still you know finding my feet. Yeah. And then yeah, he came on board and we we was doing Daglin Market, we used to take really good money over there. Really good money. Daglam Market and North Wild, yeah. Um and we'd done alright with it. And then but then that sort of come to a thing. Why is that? Do you know why? Yeah, I do know why. Me and my father-in-law was starting to clash and bicker over there. Yeah, yeah. Because partnership, I just believe partnership just don't really work. Like it does, not in everything, it's not it's different for certain things and things like that. But when you've got a partner that's got wants to drive it to here, and you might have a plan to take it around there, and you have a disagreement, and it always comes down to the bit of my and my relationship meant so much to me with my father in law that I didn't want this to come in the mind. And I swear to God, I went, shut this down. I shut what we've built here, shut it down because me and you are gonna have this. Relationship of being like our best mates, like being like joined by the heap every day, like like we was like Del Boy and Rodney, and and and it's gonna be ruined over a over a furniture company. I I don't care for it. I said so get rid of it, and that's what I've done.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

And that's rare, you know that, then yeah. That's very rare to someone to choose that over business, you know. Some lot of lot a lot of people would have chosen the money over the over business.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Yeah, I said shut it down because he meant that much to me. And I think I I don't know if I was having a bad day, I think I threw up threw a phone at a wall. I don't know what I'd done, and I thought, no, I can't do this. This is gonna ruin my relationship with with my father-in-law, and he's you know, he's like me. I look up to him, he's me, he's me, he's my best mate, sort of thing. So I just said Todd, it ain't worth it. So we shut it down, we obviously sold off whatever we sold off, and then we moved on. Um then ended up sounds mad with another sort of avenue of furniture, and that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, but that happened that coming sort of COVID time.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Did it?

SPEAKER_00 23:04

And it just I tried to keep it going, I tried to try to save it, but it just weren't. We had great ideas. I had I had people out in the buyer that wanted maybe us to to supply it and to build their hotels for all their furniture because we were doing some beautiful furniture all um nailed and dowed spoke stuff. So I ended up going out to the buyer, but nothing materialised. Sometimes you have to go on certain trips or do certain things, and you know, you might you know invest into whatever and it doesn't come off. You just trial and error, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Yeah, of course. I don't think you meet any business person that has said everything I've ever done, I've made it.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, but look at what you're two sets of mean, right? Look at what you're saying about me, but look at what you've done. Yeah, look at what you've done and what you've come from, and you've you're successful. I mean, so like that's off to you as well, be it that.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

But I appreciate that. I appreciate that. The brain doesn't stop. No, it doesn't stop. And that's exactly like what you just said, is that not everything works out. No, but you've got you said it at the beginning, you have that which a lot of people need, you don't they don't have is that want that that that work ethic.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

It's not it's not all sunshine and rainbows.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

No, it definitely ain't sunshines and rainbows, and uh and but you have that determination and work ethic, right? That goes hand in hand with where you are today, and I think that that you're gonna try things that sometimes fail, but doesn't set you back. 100%, yeah, definitely. That's what I'd say to like people that they're listening and the kids that are listening, and you know, I was just listening to you and one of your c customers, and I you know it's amazing because you know there's kids that are gonna come in here that have got outside problems, um, and you put their energy into this.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

That's what I was saying to that that um the man who just come in there from his son, and his son's struggling with whatever else, and that and the fact is is that I can change that. Like I I can change that. Like I've got I've done I've had think kids coming here with their parents pulling me to the side saying, Can I have a speak with you uh private? And I'm like, Yeah, no problem. And they tell me, and I'm like, I can fix that, I can fix that. Like relatable, like leave that with me. Do you know what I mean? And because for a young kid looking up to someone who owns a boxing gym, so like I've always looked up to Tony Sims, you know. I looked at that and look at look at him, look at what he's done and achieved in the sport. I've always been around him and watched him, and so like now another kid's maybe looking at me, not that I'm anything like Tony, looking at me, and you know, a kid the other day said, Can you sign my t-shirt? I was like, I was like, You're joking me. I said it's a waste of a t-shirt, like don't do it. And he was like, No, I really want you to, please, please. I was like, Oh, it's mad. Mad. But but the kids do look up to me because I'm whatever else, and um I work at the gym, and and and it's like, yeah, it's just it's just like what one mum said to me, you've changed him, like he wants to get up, he wants to go to school, he's got a spring in his step, like this is amazing, and for for me to do that with like you know, it's just it's a lovely lovely, it's very rewarding, but it's just a lovely feeling. So, like this one here, I can't wait to take that challenge up of trying to help this kid. Um, you know, if he's struggling with school, this or that, like I I I I I thrive off the challenge, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah, but it's again it's you can it's very rewarding to be in here with the kids because obviously you know that a lot of them are in usually 90% of them are in here because the outside is um is difficult for them. And I I I I I've been wrapped around boxing pretty much since I was the age of five. And you know, my family are heavily into boxing, so I can kind of uh relate to it massively, you know, when things were truck, you know, especially when I was a kid, you know, things were hard. Yeah, uh boxing was always a good or football, but either either sports, it was good for the head. Um but yeah, you can yeah, I I was just listening and it was it was intriguing because it kind of brings a lot of bit a lot back as well. But obviously, so the furniture situation, pandemic, so what happens after that? You finish?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

So the pandemic, um yeah, so obviously I've I had to yeah, that sort of went under that company. Yeah. And then um and then this is where I'll get onto the story of the gym, I'm sure I do. Yeah, pandemic, yeah. So I was I went from that, some a friend of ours offered us a um position doing um property surveying. And I've always sort of been around a little bit of the building work as well. So I've got a little Y-in and whatever else, and then I sort of got trained up on that, and I don't know how it fell in. Sometimes things fall in, and I was I was I was surveying, like I was property surveying, I was doing really well at it, and I was earning good money, but I was up and down the country, so like you know, I I don't want to be FaceTime with my beautiful wife and my kids. Do you know what I mean? Staying in digs, yeah, because you have to pay for your own digs, yeah. So you're not staying in luxury hotels, no, do you know what I mean? Getting like a la carte and that. It's like you're in digs, mate, and you're in Birmingham, you're in Manchester, like that. That was that's the next part where I'm I I've missed this bit. So, yeah, this is the next bit. So turned into a property surveyor, right? Don't know how I pulled it off. Managed to do it. My first week's work. I'm thinking I've just done a whole week's work up in Birmingham, and the office might turn around and say, All your information is incorrect. Thank you very much for your time. Drop our tablet back. Yeah, yeah. So I'm driving home for you. Am I getting paid, am I not? And then they ring me and they go, uh, hello, buddy, just uh check your account, uh, just put your money in. He goes, Um, really good work there, mate. Um, welcome on board, sort of thing. I was like, smashed it.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

I smashed it, so I put my mind to it, yeah, you know, so and then it led on. I was doing that for ages. I was ya. Um couple of funny stories up with that property of mine. I'll tell you one, right? I'm up in um what's the estate called in Manchester? Oh, uh I stayed next to it. Yeah, yeah. So so anyway, um, you dress smart in blue trousers, I put a little blue, uh wear a blue coat, whatever, so you you look smart, but you might presone yourself as looking like a bailiff as well, I don't know. Right? Um, so some people they open the door aggressive. Do you know what I mean? Who like and all that, don't ever knock at me door again, I'll smash your face and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Um, and I remember once I was doing a survey at a block of flats, on my own, just minding my own business like that, and this geezer rides up to me on a pedal bike so fast, and I've as I've clocked him, he's like hit the brakes like like whiskers away from me. Do you know what I mean? He was snapping me in half. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, and then he's like, and he's just trying to like right have a go, do you know what I mean? Yeah. I said I'm not doing a survey, mate. Yeah, I'll move from my move from my house and this and that, right? And then he's gone into his house to get a weapon. So I've ended up putting my name tag thing in my coat, ready to ready to smoke him and get out of wherever I was, do you know what I mean? And I said, look, but I'm not just I'm not just a normal surveyor, do you know what I mean? You're not you're not gonna have a bully up with me today. So like it's not happening. And then I ended up finding the the fella's address and I put him, I said, no problem, I'll just put it into your landlord. Uh uh, you've just behaved, and you've because I think I had to approach his house to go in there to do a survey and he refused it. Right. And as soon as I said I'm I'll work on behalf of the house that he rents, do you know what I mean? Yeah, he started changing his tune a little bit, but um, but I had I had many, many run-ins in that survey because you're going up to put people's personal homes.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah, of course. Do you know what I mean? So was it pro uh council based or not?

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Some of them are rough.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah, I've been in a I've been into a lot.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

And sometimes, sometimes this this is a bit bit cheeky really, but I um I used to knock and say um updates on the kitchen and bathroom. Yeah. I used to just let you straight in. Do you know what I mean? Because if you have to be refused. So the job is to see how old the kitchen is. Right. See if there's any damper mould.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

To see, you know, if there's asbestos, to see if this needs changing, that needs changing.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

But if you had to come back, it was headache. You just want to open all the doors. Yeah. Because then you're only more money. Yeah, of course. So something.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

So was it was it literally the more you do, the more money you have to add.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

So then sometimes I also use the one, um, oh no, you can't come in a minute. Well, look, if I might not be able to come back for a little while, and it's you know, you might potentially get a new kitchen and bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

It's not light. No. But it's a likelihood that their their bathrooms are right or whatever, and then they're they're getting they started opening the doors. Of course they do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Yeah, of course. Again, saying for nothing.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Yeah, and I yeah, I was doing alright, to be fair. And then um, and then from the surveying, um, this is the next part. This is where the gym come in. A friend of mine, Mark Potter, who sadly passed away um down to cancer, um, he said to me, I need a gym. I want I want a nice gym. He was working out of a little um little box shed uh gym around the back of a set of shops. And I said, Don't you want to expand yourself? Don't you? I said, like, you're Mark Potter, like you've you know, you've been in a pro circuit and he's had some some decent fights. I said, like, you need a proper base, mate. Yeah, I know, I know. Anyway, this is where I come into the story about the American man, yes, which is absolute madness, because you said to me earlier that you know it. Well, I I I I don't want to say I know it. No, but I do know I'm telling you about it. I can't believe this. I could no, this is mad. So when I was saying to you earlier about who used to have this gym previous, yeah, and then I mentioned American man and a man called Tony, you was like, oh my god, I know he is. I know he is. So obviously he's he's been doing the rans, hasn't he? And he's obviously and he's found himself in Ungar. Yeah. Um so yeah, I mean crazy. Crazy, crazy, but so so this is what happened. A mate of mine drives past the gym. I'm not looking for a gym. I thought I'll keep my eyes out for Mark. I'm not interested, I'll stick with my survey. Um and and yeah, he strove past the the gym and seen that Tony getting um taken by he said it was Interpol, right? So they've like, you know, they're they're they're different from police, right? So he just said to me, Bill, I don't know what's gone on with that geezer, but just to let you know, mate, like, if you want to have a look at that gym, like he's not coming back. Do you know what I mean? So at first you don't you you don't know what to think at first, do you?

SPEAKER_01 34:21

No, of course that.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

I'm thinking, oh maybe like, I don't know, like whatever. Yeah. But I'm thinking, I can get this gym for Mark. And then I've rung Mark, and Mark went, uh, mate, sounds good to me. He goes, like, I'll come down next week. But the thing is with me bitted that I'm a today man.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

I'm like, let's let's rip it out now. Let's get the rubbish trucks now, do this. Like, I want I want to hit in the morning. I want to write down what I've got to do, bomb. That's how I am, and I think that's a good way to be because sometimes you can miss the opportunity, you can miss, you know, and that shit might sell that. So I'm like, act quick, you know, have to as a have the vision in your head and go for it. And then um, he was just too laid back. So I called my father-in-law up and I said, I need your advice. I asked him, I asked him advice on everything. He's always been there for me. He's a very he's a very clever man. And I said, Come down and have a look at this. So he went, okay. So he's come down, we've opened the door, and I've opened it, it was just full of clutter. I don't know how this man done this gym. But he he was it was people in here, a few people in here, training and whatever else. It wasn't running as a business, no, but he managed to do it, but it just looked like it was made out of I don't know, a very low budget. Yeah, it was a shit. He had one ring, I think, of scaffold poles and rope everywhere, red lights. It looked, it literally looked like a brothel. Um not that I know what one looks like. No, no, no, no. I've seen them on the tele, but um, but yeah, like um and I just and I just stood back and and Todd went. Don't be giving this to Mark. He went, this is this is this is written. This is written for you. Do you know what I mean? He said, This is written for you, and I went, no, I said I don't like I didn't I still didn't want do you know and he said no this is um you're made for this he went go for this and that was it that was it I went upstairs negotiated whatever and here I am today amazing um obviously yeah like don't want to go too heavy on on the other fella but it doesn't it's not damaging for me anyway for my gym but the man who had this gym before was on the run for 18 years from Texas in America or whatever um how man's this that which you don't know this so when I spoke to you earlier I haven't told you this so when I was ripping the gym out and I've uh I've sort of signed for the gym I'm I'm finding passports all over the gym hidden with his face on yeah but with so he's face with all different names oh my god and I'm like I'm like mate this man is a bad man like it made me go cold because if you find four passports you know he's a wrong you know he's a wrong is he a is he a is he a pedophile is he a is he a serial killer is he you don't know it could be anything couldn't he yeah yeah or combat whatever but to have four passports I was like shit then the alarms but alarm bells went I'm thinking oh this is like I don't know what's going on here anyway when he got nicked this man left his daughter here in the building she was up in the building right and not a lot of people know this story I'm obviously saying it now so she kept coming down to the gym and I still don't know what your dad's been nicked for but you keep coming in the gym it's not your dad's gym anymore I it's mine do you know what I mean so like whatever you need to get of your dad's get and sort of done could come back in the in the nicest way but obviously there was things in here that he was telling her I need you to you know get that get it's obviously the hidden passports um yeah wow like it was it was thingy and you might have had other things in here I don't know so then it then it came out because at the time uh MTK was looking for a um facility to train there do some schooling or whatever else they looked at a few gyms and when they see this because we have upstairs as well we have a big theatre upstairs and they was like mate we want to do something with you anyway that never happened but when it came out about this Tony is is he's been found in Onger Essex down in the basement gym zinc I'm like shit this is like this is damaging for me because it's it's come out that he's a nonce I can't believe it's now I wish I would have pulled the geezer's eyes out yeah of course I'm saying nonce a young kid like and I've been in that man's company it made me feel cold yeah and I couldn't believe it like I didn't I don't think I slept properly I was like mate I can't believe I've been around that man like and he's done what he's done anyway he extra dyed him home and it came out with all that well all the spill but we called a big massive meeting up here everyone was in floods of tears I better um and the daughter sat there with no emotion at all that tells me that she knew because how old was she 15 16 give me two seconds of your time again thank you for your help this really makes a big difference and truly can't be done without you I've been overwhelmed by the support given so far please if I can ask one thing is the following share we all know that mental health is a massive part in all of our lives and I know most of you have probably had to deal with it in your own lives.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

I just wanted to reach out to you the audience to make sure we all have a part to play in the following state grief and pain are heavy and sometimes it feels like you're on your own but you're not if you're struggling please know there are people out there that care and want to listen. Opening up isn't easy but talking can help you really matter your feelings matter reach out whether it's a friend a family or support line let's break the silence around mental health we're not alone and together we can get through this I would also like to add think about what you say to others because it can truly have an effect on their wellbeing social media platforms must do better to protect the vulnerability of people's mental health if you can take anything out today please please be better it's nice to be nice thank you maybe I might be wrong maybe yeah around that age to sit there in a big circle of everyone to bring it up that he's been in this building he's he's come out on the news this is big you know there's gonna be media there's gonna be people that are gonna want to be telling stories and you've you're still sitting here as his daughter and you're sitting there not giving a shit the people are in floods and tears I'm in absolute utter shock yeah and you're just sitting there like I don't give a fuck where was that where is the wife?

SPEAKER_00 41:58

Don't know they must have come over together I don't know they must have come over together so I pulled the CEO here and I said look this is chilling you need to get her gun out of this building you need to get her on a flight you need to send her back to America I don't I don't I don't want her around it do you know what I mean? Wow that's how heavy it was that's heavy innit um that's yeah it's not a nice story at all no it's not a nice story and then I was thinking it's got that it's got that name to it now that oh that was the that's where the exponents was because it's come out on the news I was thinking no what have I done but it never affected me because people come for me.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

People come for people right yeah people come yeah and then and and how did you come up with the TW1?

SPEAKER_00 42:44

So what's uh oh that's mad so that the name um TW1 is obviously the wild one yeah but it's also a postcode for Twickenham so when I come up with the TW1 it was coming up Twickenham postcodes yeah yeah so I had some some people used to say to me what is the gym in Twickenham I'm like no it's an old one so I was down at Tony Sims's gym I cut it short um jumped in and had some sparring uh and with with somebody who I won't mention his name anyway he's punched me out of the ring yeah and I'm laying on the floor and Tony went oh that was a bit heavy like da da da da da da and I went no tone don't worry mate chuck me back in yeah so sort of just literally I come fell out and then ping me straight back in sort of thing and then he went I'll call you Wild Bill do you know what I mean and that's how it started that's how so I got the name Wild Bill from from Tony's old gym from a friend of mine uh and then and then yeah that's how the name um that's how the name sort of come about and then we sort of tweaked it and went the wild one instead of Wild Bill and whatever else and and how and how long did it take you to renovate it because it's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Is it been an ongoing situation No this wasn't so this is just

SPEAKER_00 44:00

been sort of recently done. Has it? Yeah. So obviously we never had the sauna, the steam nice bath. Um and sort of the decor was changed it up a bit.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

And you change it to a membership, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Yeah, membership only gym. Which is amazing. Yeah, so you you you can't you can't come to the gym gym unless you're a member or you can pay a day pass. Right. But if you're using it three, four times a week. There's no point. There's no point doing a day pass you might as well be a member. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

And get the full full uh use of the facilities which is I and I've I've had a walk round and it's impressive Bill. It really is impressive.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Yeah it's um yeah it's been a lot of it's been it's been it's been a long hard road and it ain't been easy. No. It's been very stressful. And you know you don't earn a great deal out of boxing gyms. No. You really don't so you've got to run as much as you can you know I'm a provider at the end of the day I provide for my family and that's what my job is to do. Yeah. Is to go to work and provide for my children for them to look up to me when I'm when I'm older hopefully and this maybe might have a chain of gyms one two three four who knows and something that I can know that I built and something for my kids to say that's daddy's at or do you know what I mean? Just sort of say that you I do know that I think they're proud of this anyway just this one gym. Oh they should be it's it's it's unbelievable. But it's uh I just want to just want to do good for them.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Yeah missus and just you know yes your drive right that's my drive as your drive your family's your drive my family's drive your family's your drive and you you've always been that you've had that work ethic from day day one you went meant for school like myself my drive is my family I'd have still been floating around in a van with some other fire protection on the side of it because I wouldn't have had the dream because as soon as I met my wife my drive was my wife my family my kids so I grew something you know that was my you know I never had a family really you know it's the stability I never had stability until I met my wife you know so if I if I didn't have her behind me exactly I wouldn't be where I am today no and and and I really mean that's that's nice and and and also to add like yeah everyone bickers everyone has their arguments but like just just I I watch her like how she parents it uh my children and I just think wow do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Yeah so I wanna I want to do good for her I want to do good for the kids and um I do feel very grateful do you know what I mean I've got I've got what I've got and um yeah it's uh I've been with my missus nearly 20 years do you know what I mean? Building sweetheart and it's a long time and and we're still still you know inseparables.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

And that helps that helps with this doesn't it keeps clarity you know things are alright at home yeah business is easy. Yeah I always I always say that to my wife to be fair I can deal with anything on the outside world as long as we're alright you know and the family's alright the kids are alright 100% yeah I could always deal with that yeah I that's that is I say that to her all the time we're alright I'm alright I can deal with all that rest of it nothing matters I think you know looking at looking around and what you've achieved and where you where you're where you're heading it's pretty impressive mate and uh thank you um yeah I was I don't get blown away too much but I couldn't I'm blown away by it and the sponsors that you've got as well it's been pretty impressive we talked about that off air didn't we and you know I know a few of them and um and uh to get them because they believe in you which is which is big.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Yeah you build them over time sort of thing but yeah but yeah I'm I'm I look I do look at them and I think like you know I'm very lucky and I don't mean to put any other gyms down but like I don't see as many sponsors as these in in in a gym. And this isn't a massive gym either this is a small gym so I must be doing something right for people to to want to um I couldn't fit anyone else on here if I tried.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Like the ring is completely covered so yeah it is an achievement in itself you know yeah I think again going back to that statement that people believe in people. Yeah so they believe in you.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

The sponsors believe in you you know they want to help you you should be proud of that you should you should look at that side of it and go yeah you know people do believe in what I'm doing here and it isn't just about boxing it's about helping it's about mental health it's about all the stuff that comes with it we all know 100% 100% if we can that's it I'm strong about the mental health stuff so like if there's someone out there struggling and and we could change that for them or you know or you know people think it's too late and they take their their own lives it's you know I've had friends that have taken lives and things like that and it's it's a real it's a real dark dark thing to to think that someone's going through that so if we can do these little 5k runs or just shout out to say listen come in come in and get involved in this and that and you know just just reaching out so they've got somewhere to go or somewhere to call out to I agree that's it's the best place for them.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Yeah and then I've recently lost someone a few weeks ago to to it and uh you know it it's it's present and I think we all know somebody or someone that's lost someone to mental health or s or struggles with it. I think we all struggle with it. I don't think there's a person that I've never met that doesn't have some sort of mental health issue uh we all have demons we all have places that we go and we don't like hundreds but but being in a gym being on a football pitch being in a sport is massive so I think I think you know I keep saying that every podcast and I'll keep saying it you know it especially with men men don't like talking about it because it's you know too proud or you're too you know you know I'm a man I can't talk about it because you know I I'm a geezer but the reality is definitely the reality is we all can talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Yeah 100% we can all talk about it is it okay to to reach out you know that's that's that's yeah but some people don't and that's no they don't that's how it ends up and it's so sad you know I mean they don't they don't so let's just say you're looking back 20 years now like when you were you got younger if you're looking at yourself what would you tell yourself then that you know now what would I tell myself then what when I was when I was what 13 I would have been 13 you can yeah 13 maybe maybe maybe let's say 16 because I think it's uh 16.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Yeah when you're leaving school what would you tell yourself what would I tell myself now from what I've gone from yeah what you've learned what's the best lesson for the youngsters the best lesson for the youngsters is just treat someone as you would like to be treated because manners cost nothing.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

That's a really important thing. Agree um and then that that then if you've got that bit of respect there for you know an uh another person then you can you can get off the back of that you can get people skills. Yeah and then with people skills if you have people skills and you you know and you've got them then you'll always be alright. That's how I feel like you'll always be alright in business if you can talk. Yeah if you can talk if you can agree you know some people say um you know fake it till you make it you know blah blah that's not me no but it's like yeah I'd say like just treat someone how you'd want to be treated. Agree um and um and anything that like you anything is possible man. Yeah like you know what I mean like when I remember when I was younger I was I wanted to be a you know what is it a footballer like that that never happened. But I'm just saying like you all dream of saying and you can achieve whatever you want to achieve. Like I you know I didn't ever think I'd achieve this what what I've done and I have and you know and this is I feel like this is just the start for me. I'm I'm not I want to grow into something else I want to branch out maybe I wanna you know and and you just yeah be putting mine to anything anything is possible.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

And I think this this sport is all about respect. Yeah is you know you can you can be a thug on the outside but as soon as you step in this ring this is an art this is an art and anyone that doesn't understand boxing you know you get in this ring you're on your own you know you might have your corner man or you know you might you might have your coach in the corner but you're on your own and to l to learn discipline and respect to your opponent um is nothing like the outside world. I see I see it a lot in football you know you get these idiots that want to fight you on a pitch and because they've got a they got they got another ten pet men behind them but you get them in a ring that they'd probably go missing so I think people don't realise how hard this sport is on the body and the soul the mind um and the discipline and I think that comes from like you said earlier is it's it's the respects and I treat people as you want to be treated. I'm big advocate for that I can't I can't talk about that enough we tend to I'm too transparent in my life I I tell anyone the truth and that's the truth it's got to be that way. For me it's that it's that's the way it is got to be in business I'm exactly the same that's how it is if I'm sorry but that is the way it is you know um so yeah I respect that I really respect that and I think I think the kids that any anyone that wants to get into one boxing uh and two known in a gym is uh you're right treat people as you want to be treated Bill I think it's really big um and I think going into your future so you want to branch out a bit maybe as a coach yeah I I I I um yeah I I I don't really know really like what's what's next to come maybe maybe I would like to grow this the the the the the name and things like that but at this present moment it is stressful though yeah so when I think about the idea of branching out I'm now just sat here now and thought oh no yeah do you know what I mean? Because you I do I can't be two places no you can't and then it dilutes because you can't be in two places in one we talk about it a bit that's why I sort of went a bit thingy there but mine that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Um so maybe just a bit standstill let's get this place where you want it with pretty much there in it I mean it's like I said yeah I do I I have got other things on the sides that I do like I have a couple of little companies that I work off percentages of kids and I try and so I try and keep busy with that as well um but yeah like yeah mate listen we're we're we're we're both very blessed.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Yeah we've got beautiful families we've got that's the one you know like that's rich in itself exactly that look I appreciate your time um and I really do it's I know it's um I know you've uh you're busy and that and um thank you for that I think the the the lesson from you is don't stop trying right don't stop trying to keep my start that is the motto stop trying that's it like the work ethic in me yeah is Monday to Saturday no days off.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Nah I don't do Monday to Sunday that Sunday is rest day it's roast dinner day it's football day it's with the children that's the only it's my favourite day of the week don't want anyone disturbing me or anyone ringing me driving do you know what I mean? Just let me have that day off and then Monday's is Monday to to to Saturday's business. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And um yeah that is the motto just don't stop crying man. No I love it.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

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