What Keeps Us From Asking God Our Hardest Questions Episode 27

The disciples were afraid to ask Jesus their hardest questions. Sound familiar? What if the questions you're avoiding are actually the gateway to deeper faith? Sometimes asking God the hard stuff takes more courage than staying silent - but it's where real transformation begins.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Build, a podcast from Danville First Baptist Church. Build is where Sunday's message becomes Monday's conversation. Each episode we dig deeper into what God is teaching us, talk about how it shows up in real life, and help you keep building your faith beyond the weekend. Let's get started. Welcome to Bill, the podcast of FBC Dan, where we aim to build on Sunday's sermon, but ultimately build on our relationship with Christ. This week we were back in Mark, Mark 9. I'm just picking up where we left off there in verse 30. But you you did a whole um shout out to Forrest Gump and then took us to the end of that of those three verses. And uh then then we went back and saw how how they got there. The fact that the disciples were afraid, they didn't understand, but they were afraid to ask the question. And um I just think you brought up some really important points, things that again, I can just I never think about some of these things because I I it's it's all a sense of that you know, you know the end, and so you hear these things and believe them to be true, and you know that they were there was obviously important things and importance of them happening, or we wouldn't, it wouldn't have been recorded. But just putting yourself in their in their minds and going uh to that to that space, being in that moment, and how would you have perceived that not knowing? And so there was a lot of things that that came to mind and like more like uh uh okay, okay, situation. So um I'll let you explain a little bit about what was going on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

You bet. Yeah, so we uh we slowed down the pace a little bit this week and and just did three verses. You know, we've been doing kind of swaths and passages and then just slowed down to these three verses. Jesus' second group public declaration of his death and resurrection in Mark. And uh, you know, he just he told the disciples uh that he would be killed and rise again, but he added in this time, the second time, that he would be betrayed, which kind of threw another little kink in there of like, betrayed by not by us, you know, uh but no way, Lord. And uh just you know, just digging in like I really just wanted to slow down and dig into these verses. What can we really mine out of here? And I was sitting there praying about it, and it was like the son of man just jumped off the page um about you know, about how glorious of a title that is in Daniel in Revelation. We didn't talk about it there in Revelation, but just the Daniel part because that would have been the part they knew at the time. Um and and just talked about how, you know, that's that's that's and I think that's the Jesus that we I I think we love all Jesus, but that's the Jesus where it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. King of kings, Jesus, you know, Lord of Lords, Jesus, you know, uh kingdom that lasts forever, Jesus, you know. Um, and and and but Jesus is saying, no, I'm I'm gonna suffer too. And so we just tried to really look at those two points about how he's the son of man from Daniel 7, but he's also the suffering servant from Isaiah 53. And I think that's the picture that Mark is trying to paint in his gospel, that he is the suffering servant, that the king of kings is the suffering servant. Um, and you know, they were afraid to ask him questions, and then we talked about the reasons why that might be and uh just kind of kind of slowed down in that moment. Like, why would you be scared to ask those questions? And then and then you go, okay, so how does that apply to us today? What what does that matter to us today? Like that's cool to think about, and that's it's neat to know, but what about right now? And it's like, well, we do the same thing, we do the same thing, like we we want to focus on the glorious conquering Jesus. We don't even really we don't like the suffering servant part of Jesus when it means that for us, yeah, also. Yes, yeah. Um, we just want the glory, and and the kind of the prevailing thing that keeps coming up through these last few sermons is is there, you know, no cross, no crown. We want the crown, but but the Lord says the cross is first. Um, and that um, you know, we kind of ended with the the thought of like, what if we became people who consistently came to Jesus with our hardest questions, with our hardest things, with our honest questions, with our needs, what would that look like? What would that sound like? And didn't really say what that would be, just kind of left it floating of what would that look like? Yeah, you know, what let's see. Let's try it and see. And and kind of, you know, made the remark that I think it would look like the church in Acts. Yeah, I really do. I think it would look like the New Testament church, the early church that was that just never got over the grace of Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Um, and and you know, maybe that's what it looked like, maybe it wouldn't. I don't know. I'm yeah, I'm no genius, but that's kind of that was kind of the message. That's where we were. So what about you, Dus?

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Man, I just think uh like like it was it was good. It was a hard sermon in some ways because I see things that I don't like in the disciples in my own life and in the life of the church. And that's always a good thing and an uncomfortable thing, right? You know, and so when we think about it, one you know, I do think we've made progress, you know, in in our church and my life, especially from even when I was a kid, when I I no one ever said like, hey, you can't ask God hard questions. But it was kind of frowned upon too, like, well, just trust God, just just blindly follow. And I don't think God has called us to that.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

It wasn't even hard questions, it was just like, don't question. Yeah, don't question God.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Like it's not it's not ours to question, it's not ours to know. Well, there are things that we should be asking. Like, God, we know that all things are going to work together for the glory for your glory and the glory of those who are called to serve you. We know that, but that doesn't mean we don't still have a desire to understand your will. I think also, you know, you brought up you know, in talking about Jesus being the Son of Man, both you know, the conquering God and also the suffering servant, we all say that as Christians, we want to be like Christ. Right. But what about when wanting to be like Christ means that I have to, and again, like this is something we've been really trying to emphasize with our anchor students, when looking like Christ means I have to be poured out for others. You have a lot less people sign up for that. Oh, you mean be like Jesus, like live forever, go to heaven, streets of gold?

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Yeah, I want to be like Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Yeah, oh yeah, but I also mean that even the people who aren't gonna appreciate it and are gonna hate you and are gonna treat you spitefully and use you, you have to love them sacrificially too. Whoa, wait a minute. I I don't necessarily want to be like that version of Jesus, but that's who we're called to be. And I honestly think from the frame of evangelism, nothing speaks to a lost and broken world than seeing someone love people who the world says you shouldn't love. Yes, they've done too much, they've been too evil, they've taken advantage of you. You don't don't be taken advantage of. Stand up for yourself. Well, no, Jesus didn't stand up for himself, he went to the cross for the people who were crucifying him. And so I thought you know that really stuck out, and then and then just my last thought on my notes that I highlighted, I was like, man, this is this is really what it comes down to is I feel like sometimes asking the questions uh takes more faith than not asking the questions. That's good what I say. And I think you know, sometimes just like we always compare it, you know, to the to the parent-child relationship, I would love that my kids trust me. But I also love when they want to know where my heart is, why, dad, why I I trust what we're doing, but tell me why we're doing it. And I think I think our father as a lover of our souls is the same way. I don't think he gets offended when they say, Dad, dad, I'm gonna serve you, I'm gonna do whatever you call me to do, but I do kind of want to know like where you're going with this, like what is your purpose behind this? I I think not only can he handle that, I think he loves it. And I think that that he and it would encourage us to do so.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Sure. Yeah, I mean, uh a question is a confession. Yeah. And confession is faith. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Uh when you said last week, asking questions is how you communicate.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

I mean, you have I can't read your mind. So I have to, if I don't under if I don't completely understand what you're saying, the question is how I clarify.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

So like just that in itself, we're it that's well what show what shows that I trust you, like I'm I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

And because I'm scared of you or scared of your reaction or scared of your answer, I don't ask.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Or even though I'm a little unsettled, I do ask. Which one shows that I trust you more? The question shows that I trust you, actually trust you beyond my comfortability. And and you know, then it's it's that's easier said than done.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

You use the example of your little sister at four years old asking question after question after question, and then saying, well, how am I gonna learn something if I don't ask you the question? And that's so that's I mean, that's that's human nature. We have we have to to ask to know, and that but we have to do the same thing. We can ask, we can ask the questions. I don't understand what we're doing. Could you please show me? And sometimes we get that uh very clearly. Sometimes we still don't ever see the whole picture, yes, but we we we feel the urge to continue down that whatever that path is, right? And then that's where when obedience and that trust all falls into play.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Shout out to my sister. You know, what's funny is she was the human question growing up. Now her her youngest son, she's you know, as we say, paying for a raising, that dude is a question waiting to happen, and she's like, I see what y'all mean now. But like, no, it's all good.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Well, Jesus modeled this principle for us. I mean, we see, you know, when when his at 13 years old, when his parents find him in the temple, it says that he was teaching and asking questions. Well, if we believe that Jesus was fully human and fully God at the same time, even at 13, which we believe, he knew the answers. He was modeling uh this concept that that sometimes uh the best way to get someone to to truly believe the answer is to have them come up with it.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

If I ask the right questions and I lead you uh to some discovery, it usually sticks better than when I just give you information. Right. That's education, that's teaching one-on-one. Education 101, that's right. And so I I think Jesus, I don't think, would have modeled this that way if he expected us to just don't ever ask, just just do.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Well, think about prior to the cross, right? His most distressing moment at Gethsemane, yeah, where he's literally sweating blood because he's in such deep anguish. What does he do in that moment? He asks God the Father a question Is there another way? Can you take this cup away from me? Right. But if not, then your will, not my will. And it's like even in that moment, he's modeling.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Well, he used questions to identify himself. I mean, just we saw that whatever before, where he he didn't say, Hey guys, I'm the Messiah. Who do they say I am? Who do they say? And then who do you think I am? Who do you say I am? I mean, like that's yeah, he got he asked them a question to get them to say it. Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah, yeah. Well, and both those examples, but especially the Gethsemane one, like he models exactly what it's supposed to be. Okay, Lord, I I'm gonna ask the good questions, I'm gonna ask the hard questions, and then I'm gonna rest in whatever you say.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

I'm gonna be obedient.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

And I don't think God gets mad at us. You know, I I I when tragedy has has stricken our community and our group, you know, that was one thing that I really encourage are you like don't bottle it up. Don't don't sit there and just like ask God, like and even say sometimes. Like, God, I don't I don't like this, I don't see it. I want to know what you're doing. But at the end of the day, whether I get the answers I'm looking for or not, I trust you. Yes. And I'm gonna walk with you. I'm gonna walk through the light with you, and I'm gonna walk through the dark with you. Right. And I think it's healthy. I think it's healthy, and I think Jesus modeled it great at Gethsemane, like, Lord, if there's any other way, let this cup pass. But I'm gonna do whatever it is that has to be done.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

You know, as a pastor, oftentimes and where you're meeting people in life is in their deepest, darkest, most broken places, you know what I mean? And there's there's things that happen that you never get to talk about and never get to discuss with anyone hardly. Um, and you know, just here recently, you know, people that you're passionate, people that you love dearly, you know, that are just going through unimaginable hard things. And I just sat there recently and I, you know, I said, Lord, why does it have to be this way? Like, you know, how does how does how does that happen to them? Like, you know what I mean? Like a real and I wasn't like, not like, oh, how could that happen? Like truly, yeah. Help me see how this is good. Help me see you in this. Help help me understand how there is a light past where we are right now because I can't see it right now. I don't see how this is a good thing. And I don't, and I certainly don't see how to lead or pastor or love these people through this. Like, please show me something, give me something. I mean, I again I know that I can trust you. I know that you are good, I know that you work all things including this to the good for those who love you and are called according to your purpose. I know that. Yeah, but can you what does that what does that even look like right now, practically in our lives? Yeah. And so it, you know, I don't need to know it on paper. I need to like know it in my heart right now for people that I love deeply. Um, and I, you know, we we say this all the time. Most of the time, you're just preaching from where you are, from where you're walking through things as a follower of Jesus. And people really think that that's like a preacher line. Yeah. But it's not.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

It's not.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

And and and and and maybe that's why this jumped out to me so much, is because it's what I've been dealing with for weeks now, is like, what does it look like to really talk to God?

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

What does it really sound like? And and I've been challenged with that idea of asking questions. And then I it right here, and I was like, they didn't ask questions. Like I was reading you know, I was reading, repairing, and praying. I was like, there it is, right there in this pivotal moment. They don't ask questions. Yeah. Almost saying like they should have asked questions. Right. Yeah. And they didn't. You should ask questions, and you're not. And so I'm trying to ask questions.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Well, and I think as a disclaimer, and also as I think an extension of what we're talking about, I think sometimes we want to offer advice to people who are in that those dark moments. We want to say the the churchy thing, all things work together, oh, they're in a better place, oh, they're whatever. Like not only is that stupid, but to say that in that moment, whether it's true or not, is irrelevant. It's not what they need. But I also think that that some of this could be more like maybe instead of making declarations because we don't know what to say, what if we just ask questions? But but the right questions still, but you know, like instead of thinking you're gonna fix it because you're not gonna fix it, right? I think it shows them that I'm with you in this and not, well, if you'll follow this 12-step plan, all things will be made right in a certain amount of time.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

But like instead Well, think about the flip side of that too, right? Think about the flip side of that, okay? If that were true, that well, here's what you need to do to fix the situation, then it means you're the reason you're in the situation.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Because you didn't know how to do it right, you didn't know how to follow Jesus. You know, it's the implication is you did it wrong, so you're in this situation, which is true sometimes. I'm not saying we don't make decisions that put us in terrible situations, but that's not always the case. But if it but if you come at it with, well, you need to do this, this, and this, or if you just would have done this, this, and that, like you wouldn't be in this. And and I'm not saying you don't share that truth with someone. Sometimes it's like, look, here's where you went wrong.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Don't do that. No, sure. That is something that needs to be said sometimes. You know, it depends on the situation, but right, but but you know, if if if I, the pastor, always have the magical answer, then there's like some secret magical thing about following Jesus that only certain people get, and you don't really get it because you're not, you know, that's but that's not true. It's not true, it's not true, and and I don't ever want to perpetuate that as even remotely true. Um, and and and and another theme, a theme that always runs through authentic faith is humility. And oftentimes it's pride when I want to stand there and pray the perfect prayer, so I'm the hero, when really what needs to be modeled is I'm broken too. I don't have a clue, yeah. Like true humility in the moment. Um, and nobody wants to be that, like, yeah, I don't have the answers either. Like, nobody wants to be that person, yeah. But that's often what you need. I have zero.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah. Other than, yeah, we can trust the Lord. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Like, yeah, yeah. Other than I'm broken too, and I'll walk with you through it, like whatever. Yeah, you know. Um, so yeah, it's been coming up a lot. It's been coming up a lot. So it just jumped off the page at me this time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Something that was interesting to me today is I watched a video where uh uh they had groups of different people of different faiths, and they were discussing it was all very cordial discussion, but some defending their faiths to each other in different ways. And and this was a it was an Orthodox Jew in the in the it was two there was two Jews and two Christian that were discussing this, and the Christians because they were the the argument was that you know you can't find Jesus in the Old Testament. That was the their their thing, and so then they brought up several different things and and they came up, they they mentioned the Son of Man. And it was said the offense was that that just means that he was he was just saying he was a person, he was a he was a human. And they're like, no. And so and they went, they used all of these scriptures right here to point all of this out. And like, now now tell me how that doesn't, you know, and it was it kept and it was multi-parted, so I only watched one part of it. But but in that part, they watched, they they used those exact like what's the things that keep you said, mentioned things that keep coming up. Like that's very interesting to me that those same scriptures were used in a different context, but to def just to defend the existence of Jesus, that He He was all of those things. You know, any Jew would tell you they believe what it says in the Torah. Well, this is it says all of these things, and then you see it all displayed. It was just really I I don't really have anything else to add to that. It was just an interesting fact that yeah, that the day later I'm I'm like, oh, I'm very familiar with those verses right now.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Right, and part of it is too like that very thing is what kept the disciples from seeing it then. Yes, but now we go, see, he's the Messiah.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah. It says it right there. I'm pretty sure you've said before too, the Son of Man is the most common way that Jesus referred to himself. It is. And so I think he was driving that point home over and over in a way they would see, especially once all things had been completed and once it was finished. But it was a little bit it was obvious and yet not as obvious as him just saying, like, look, dummies, I'm the Messiah. Like I'm this me. You know, but but was gonna point to the fact when all things were done. Oh how did we miss that?

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Well, and and and Jesus refused to be any other type of messiah other than the actual Messiah. Right. He refused to be the the the political figure, he refused to be, you know, the the the the conquering war hero until it's time. He refused to be, you know. The revolutionary, uh, he refused those things and and and a point that you know was way underneath everything a couple of weeks ago, um, coming off the transfiguration when he says, Don't tell anybody about this until after the resurrection. Because think of it. Where do they come back to? A large crowd with a dispute taking place, not uncommon. What if what if they come back in that moment and go, guys, like this is what we just saw. There, they there would have been such a warlike fervor to try to overthrow Rome and reestablish, you know, all the things that they thought was going to happen. And Jesus was like, I am not going to live by your definition of who you think that's I'm going to be the real thing. And I just I those things stick out to me more now where I see, like it wasn't like, shh, don't tell. It was like there was always a purpose in it. And and he was not going to let them come down there, and you know, because I'd have been, you know, I'd have been Peter. How did I tell? Guys, this was unbelievable. He said to him, dude, it's him. Like, let's go. Like, like, let's march to Pilate's office right now and get this thing going.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Such a good point. And with it, like, Jesus refused to be who they thought the Messiah was going to be. It's still true. He still refuses to be manipulated or stereotyped or put into this category just based on human understanding or human desire for Jesus to be their little pocket elf or whatever it is that will just come out and and grant them wishes. Like he says, no, no, no. I am still who God made me to be.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

I am the Lord your God. Do not take my name in vain. That's right. Do not put my name on something carelessly, uselessly. Don't put, don't hold a banner up saying it's Jesus if it's not actually me. And and that is becoming more and more and more my heart's desire is to put Jesus' name on things that it should be, and to keep my mouth shut if it's not supposed to be on something. And that is way easier said than done when you can actually drill into your heart and think about think about that.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it just seems it we want to proclaim Jesus. We know that's what we're supposed to do. And so we do it at times that we shouldn't. If that makes any kind of like if you know what I'm talking about. You've done that. If you've been around ministry for any minute, you can look back and see where that's taken place.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Or we we've done something, or we've said something in Jesus' name, or un or we're like proclaiming the authority and when we misrepresented. We're all guilty of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

I chased that rabbit, but I'm not going to there's going to be there's going to be an answer from all of us.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yes. For those times. And what are you saying, Tombstone? It's not revenge he's after. It's a reckoning. There's going to be a reckoning.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

You know that and that we've we've discussed it before, but just how that became so clear to me when when one day knowing that there's going to be some that have done all these things in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

But they are unknown. And I just never wanted to be that guy from that moment on. Um but in efforts, though I probably did still did some things trying to rectify that. Right. That came across that were probably wrong. But it was, you know, the my heart was headed in the right direction. And now I think that I approach everything so much more cautiously in what what I'm going to proclaim things of and about.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Yeah, d Jesus is really getting into the hardcore discipleship parts, or Mark's really getting to the hardcore discipleship parts of Jesus, you know, where we are now. And um the the older I get, the more I learn, all those things, um, the more I learn here, not here. I just see that that often what's been called discipleship in my life is really just learning stuff. It's learning information. And uh discipleship really is learning to listen and obey. That's what it really is. It's not just about gaining more information. Like, and we've said that on here more more times than not, that it, you know, all information does just for itself is puff us up. It gives us pride, makes us prideful, it makes us feel superior, superior. I have all the Bible answers, I have all the church answers, I have all the answers because I have all the information. If the information is never seeping into our lives, then it's not discipleship. And I I think we're doing in our church a as good a job as I've seen since I've been here across the board in our study groups, in our Sunday school groups, of where we're really trying to dig in. We use that word a lot, but to dig in because what we mean by that is like we don't want surface level information. We want to dig deep into this so that it transforms because we want it to dig deep in us. Yeah. And I think we're doing that uh in a lot of our settings right now.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Um, and I and I believe with all my heart it's it's it is and is going to continue to bear fruit out in our lives when we really are discipled. We're we're taught, teach them everything I have commanded you to do, right? That's what discipleship is. Teach them everything I have commanded you to do. Well, what's the key word there? Commanded. It's about learning what to do, what we've been told to do, because that's what changes our minds, our hearts, our lives, our decisions, our words. That's what builds the kingdom is being discipled, truly discipled. And so I just want, I just I want to throw gasoline on that. Yeah, I want I want that to get bigger and and burn harder and be more of what we do is that we are discipling, that we're not just learning information. Yeah, we're being discipled.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Yeah, you know, I can remember, you know, for me, one of the most influential studies of my life was at a time in my life when I was I was still in the darkness and trying to come out of it a little bit, and and uh we did an experience in God study, and we went to Kenny and Idle Pfeiffer's house and we had like a discipleship group. And I went because that's what I was supposed to do, and that's where I was supposed to go. But I can remember week one we sat down to talk about what we had read the previous week, and they began to ask questions. And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. So I can tell you what I think that meant. And then off of what we said, then there was more questions, and we had questions for each other. And it absolutely changed some things in my heart because I was used to being told what to believe, what the Bible said, uh, what these verses meant. And if you know me, you know I don't do well with that. I don't like to be told what to do, what to think, what to believe. I want to discover things, I want to understand it. And and so like that's been kind of the model that I've always tried to follow since. And and I'm amazed that some people don't like that, some people want just tell me what I'm supposed to do. Like, no, I want to discuss. But it's one of my favorite times of the week, is in Sunday school.

unknown 30:00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

We may only cover four or five verses a week, but we talk and we ask questions and we look at things from and to hear someone's perspective that grew up in another religion or another denomination, or grew up outside of church. Or maybe they were in a church just like mine. Or a completely different generation, even. Yes, but even that. And to realize that even when I think I've gone deep, deep for me doesn't mean that I've discovered everything there is to know. That sometimes deep for me means I have to have someone else uh pump something in to change my perspective. Because I've looked at the story and I love this story, but every time I've looked at it, I've looked through my perspective, I've looked through my lens, through my experiences. And then someone else comes in and says, I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong, but have you looked at this? And I'm like, Nope. Right. That's a whole nother layer uncovered that I can dig into. And and I think that's what makes God's word special.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

I think that like w when I mentioned earlier, just thinking thinking about the the disciples at this time, and what you just said is probably every single one of our problems at some point. We've read all these stories, but put us in the story. Yeah. We're telling, we're we're uh I don't think that's necessarily the purpose. Yeah. We're supposed to we're supposed to figure out what was actually going on for these people right then experiencing that, and then learn from what they learned.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

You know, because but because we're not in these in these tellings, in these accounts. These were real people that you know, we don't do that when we hear a story uh history of a battle somewhere. We don't put ourselves in the midst of that. We take the accounts of what happened, and and you know, you may envision that moment, but we don't try to go there, but we do that with the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

But that is exactly what the disciples were doing, right? That they were bringing their knowledge of scripture into the situation with Jesus, and then therefore, because they were convinced they understood it and knew it all, they couldn't see what was right in front of them. And that's one of my questions is like, what like what assumptions am I bringing to scripture? What assumptions are we bringing to scripture? Um, you know, that that's always a good question. Like, maybe something that I should start praying. All right, Lord, show me what are my assumptions here? What what am I what am I seeing because I want to see instead of what you you want me to see? Just you know, clear, open my eyes, open my ears. I often pray that, like open my eyes and my ears to hear what you want me to hear, but like make sure that like show me where oh you've been believing this all your life because you believe that, but really this is saying this and you're putting that on it, you know. But it the revelation study, if if anything, did that.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

And now I was just thinking about that because something else that you just said, Dusty, was that you don't want to just be told things, you want to discover them. And I have seen some like just in Revelation, let's do that whole study. There were things that I know as I look back, I was just told this. And then in studying and reading it, I'm like, that's not there at all. I really don't know where that came from. Yeah, right. So it's yeah, get in there and and check it out for yourself and then discuss it because you start you, we we do learn so much from what it has said to each other, because that's the thing we have to remember is it's living and breathing and it's speaking to us individually over the course of our life.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

And this is this is what I love, man. Like it there's so many things I love about following Jesus, but this is one of the things that I love about following Jesus. Like we can sit here, we're talking about three verses, yeah, and we're gonna talk for an hour. We could talk for 10. Seriously, if we had the time, we could talk for 10, right? Because it's so deep and it's so complex. But at the exact same time, my seven-year-old son can walk up to me last Wednesday and say, When can I get baptized? And you go, Well, why do we get baptized? And they just start laying it out. Laying it out, just as clear as day. Well, we get baptized because you know, Jesus died on the cross and shed his blood to save us from our sins. And I want, I want to say that. I want to say that through the world, and that's what we're doing in baptizing. We're saying that we believe that, that we're forgiven of our sin. Yeah, you know, and I and you like you just start asked a few questions because that's a good thing to do. Absolutely. And it's just bam, bam, bam. It's like a seven-year-old can fully grasp it to the point of faith. But at the same time, we can sit here and discuss three verses for an hour and barely scratch the surface, surface of the depth of God and his knowledge. You know what I mean? And how how how wide and how deep and how high is the wonderful love of God. We'll never stop learning how good he is. It's fun. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

That's awesome. And the good thing is that having a new perspective or a new understanding or a new, you know, I want to say revelation, but it's not like, oh, different.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

It doesn't mean that the original thought or perspective was wrong. No. And it's rich. And the more I understand it, the more I know I have no clue what all there is in there for me to learn. And and I don't ever want to be so arrogant and proud. I mean, I can read the Bible every day for the rest of my life, and I will gain some wisdom and I will gain some knowledge, and I hopefully will look more like Jesus, but I'll never exasperate the truth and the riches of his word.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

No, and the gift that it is from God to us. Yes. Yes. You know, Josh, I know has heard me say this like the older I get, the older I get, the more I realize I don't know anything. Yeah. Like the more I learn, the more I learn. I don't know anything compared to what all there is to know and what all there is to learn. And and it's specifically in the context of of just scripture alone. Like the more I like I sometimes because you're the preacher, people think like you know everything that's in there all the time, and you can just pull up chapter and verse all the time and apply it. And it's like, that's not the case. Like people that know me know better than that.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

You don't?

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, we're going to church. Exactly. Like I'm not a I'm not a robot, you know what I mean? And and and and my knowledge of scripture is way further than it was 10 years ago.

unknown 36:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

And I can still read three verses and go, I've never thought about the fact that they didn't ask questions. Why didn't they ask questions? Yeah. Why don't I ask questions? What stops me from asking questions? I do the same thing. You know, three verses that I've read, heard numerous times, and and but at this point in my life where I am and at this point in my walk with Jesus, totally different because the living, breathing word of God does that. That's what's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

I would I would dare to say, you said you could read just read the Bible every day. I can say you could read the same book continuously over and over and over. Just pick one book and read it. And every time you read one of those verses, it's gonna say something new to you that it did the last time.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

I have a pastor friend that that's how he does his personal devotion time is he he's in a book, usually for a month, sometimes more, but in a book for a month, and he'll just read it over and over and over and over and over, however many times. Depending on the length of the book, it may be a couple times or it may be 10 times, maybe 15 times. Um, and and I've done that some from his influence in my own personal time, and and it's cool, man. It's cool to do that.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Um so you said we would you know, we the whole idea of the asking questions, and they were we've established that they were scared, and you know, like we get scared to ask the questions, but why? Like what what is it what's so fearful now? Because we do have an understanding. Why are we scared now? I mean, I know why I have some thoughts on why I think that is, and just wondered.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Yeah, I think part of it is, you know, that that what did sin originally bring? Shame. The first thing they did was run and hide because they were because they were shame. And I think our sinfulness, when it is the predominant driving force in our actions, is that's still the predominant thing that it produces is is shame and guilt and fear. Um, and and so I think most of the time we're acting out of our OSN, as we used to say in Sanders School, our old sin nature, when we're fearful of those things, uh fearful of of asking a question to our loving Heavenly Father. Perfect love drives out fear. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have awe of God, but but if if if what we're looking at causes us, sin will cause us to look at God and go, I can't, I can't. Yeah, I can't. He can't be, he can't be that good. Like this is too, this is too much. This is the 575th millionth time I've brought this to him. At some point, he's gonna go, you know what? I'm just done, I'm done with you. I'm tired of, I'm tired of showing you grace. There's some part of us that deep down believes that, I think, is part is part of the part of the thing.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

I think that's definitely part of it. I'm gonna go the exact opposite, though. I know you would. I think sometimes we don't ask questions because we fear the answer. That's right. Not the not the giver. But but I know that if God answers this question, it puts everything back on me. Yeah, I'm gonna have to do something. Now I know I can't hide. I can't pretend because he's given me clarity. Now I'm brought to that decision. Will I obey or will I reject? And and so sometimes we're afraid of the the person we're asking, sometimes we're afraid of of the answer.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

And what uh and in that afraid of what that means for us. And then sometimes we're afraid of the answer because we know we won't like the answer. Oh, sure. Sometimes we're Jonah. Lord, I don't want them to have grace, right? And we would never, ever have that heart. We don't have you know Ninevites in our minds and hearts, which is a crock. You know what I mean? And so I think sometimes that's what it is. And I and I've said that and and and heard others say that to me, you know, like I know I know what God's gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

So I, you know, like I'm not I'm not ready to be there yet. I want to stay mad about this a little longer. I want to stay sad about this a little longer, you know. And first of all, careful with knowing what God's going to say. Right. That's true. First of all, um because you might be partially right and you might be partially wrong. And if you're partially wrong, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

Um, but you know, sometimes that's what it is. It's like I know the answer is grace. I'm not ready for grace. And so I'm not gonna ask. Yeah, you know, or I think that's part of it too. It's it's multifaceted for sure why we don't why we don't.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

That's what you should have done. But you you didn't ask me, so I didn't ask.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

If you said some, I'd have sent the bears. Oh gosh. That's good. Well, and I think a little less um maybe obstinate answer also is that we don't ask questions a lot of times because we think we have it figured out. Sure. We we think that oh, okay. Or or it's not big enough. Right. It's not big enough to take the God. That false pride. Uh I got this. False humility, I mean I got this. Yeah I I can or just and again, it's taking good thing to the bad extreme, and that's that well, I know what his word says, so I have this figured out, I know what this is going to look like, but that's how you end up knowing all the scriptures and missing the Messiah that's right in front of your face because you knew but you didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

And then another aspect, too, to take it one more step, is sometimes we just we don't ask because we don't know what to ask. Sure. Um and and maybe it's because we're so stunned by like the the information the disciples had received. It was so stunning, like I don't even know what to ask. Um or or sometimes it's just truly like I I I just I just don't know, which I I think the question in that is like, God, I don't even know what to ask. I actually said that yesterday in a in a prayer. God, I don't know what to pray right now. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what to pray, but I know I'm supposed to pray. Yeah, so I'm praying. Yeah. So like will you will you even show me what to pray in this moment? Because I don't know what to say, but I do know that I can trust you. I do know that you're good. I do know that you are worth it. I do know that I have faith in you and want to continue to have faith. You know, I I can you just start, you just start, but sometimes it's like even just admitting, like, I don't even know what to ask. I know I should ask, I don't know what to ask. I don't know what to say.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

I think that very much could have been what happened in this story, too. I think, you know, Peter, James, and John just saw the glorious transfiguration, heard the voice of God from the cloud. They come down, Jesus does one of the most amazing, one of my favorite miracles that he performs in in the healing of the demon-possessed boy. And then he says, Guys, I'm fixing to die. And they're like, Well, I I don't even know what to process. Well, first off, I I know you're God. I saw what happened. Secondly, like you have dominion over everything. Everything obeys your voice. I told the waves to stop, bro. The waves, the demons, like you are in charge. And now you're telling us something that is so far out in left field that, like, I you're gonna die. Like, I don't I don't understand what you mean. I want to go back and think about this God thing more. I want to go back and think about how you were glowing and how God was speaking out of it. Like, I I don't know what to do with that, but I know what to do with that. Right. That was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

They just missed it. You know, here's another thought. Them knowing they know these scriptures, the the Daniel and Isaiah. Like they can look at both of them. And here on one hand, you have everything's gonna be great for us, too. Like we know this guy, he's going to be elevated to power. That means we will and you see that we'll see that next week. That that's where they go, they stay right there. But maybe maybe their fear came from a spot of well, if that's true, then Isaiah's true too. What does this mean for our suffering? Like we get you're going to like maybe it really did start to click with them. It's it's the whole I I don't not sure I want the answer. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Like they're gonna suffer, that means we're gonna suffer.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Uh-huh. So I'm not really down on it. I want to ask you that, but I don't want to hear what you have to say. Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Yes. Well, I've never really thought about this before this conversation, so maybe it's completely wrong. Right. Young Young, help me out. But I also think even if they knew he was going to die and be resurrected, I don't think they expected his death, burial, resurrection in three days, 40 days earthly ministry gone for 2,000 years before he returns. I still think they thought, just like, you know, when we read about Abraham and Isaac, and it says, Well, God, I knew he was the son of promise, so that even if even if I sacrificed him, you were going to raise him back to life. I'm sure there was part of them that was like, Well, I don't really understand what you're saying, Jeez, but we're if you die and then you raise right back to life and then you take over Rome, perfect. That's cool. Right. We're fine with that. You know, I I really think that they didn't have the long view, the two comings. The two comings. They were like, okay, well, that's weird. That's not how we thought you'd do it, but as long as it's done in the next, you know, right few months. And I want it done, then we'll be good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

And so just often our heart when we approach the Lord. Like, God, I know you're gonna do it, do it well and do it right, but I want you to do it now. Yeah, I want you to do it in my time. Can I give you a suggestion?

SPEAKER_02 46:56

Yes. And it's an example of faith, but placed in the wrong, I don't want to say the wrong thing, because we have faith in Jesus, but our faith is just so ignorant sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Right. Well, I I preached a message a few years back on your one of your favorite Bible characters, on Elijah. All right, love it. When when you know he goes from the mountain, again, mountain top and valleys. He goes from the mountain top moment, Mount Carl, calling down the fire, all the things. And then he's running away from Jezebel. He's wishing for death in the cave. And I think one of the things there is that he had an expected outcome. Yeah. And I think that that that is a dangerous thing for us is to have an expected. The only expected outcome we should be certain of is that Jesus is coming back. And because of that, all things are going to be made right. But like how he's gonna do everything he's gonna do, like, like be careful of placing your faith in an expected outcome and not in Jesus. Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

You know, that kind of makes me think we mentioned last week about our there was just the spirit was so heavy, and we felt that manifest presence of the spirit, and all of the we were discussing that. Well, after we cut off, Dusty and I were discussing just continue to talk about it. And it I said, but here's the here's the danger in that. We start trying to chase that and recreate it and force it to happen. Because what did we actually do for that to take place? Nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Other than be with the simple obedience to yeah, simple obedience in some a certain area.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

It had nothing to do with you, me, you, anybody else. It's there was we we brought humility and a desire to be with the Lord, and and the Lord decided to give us a little extra manifestation of his presence that day for whatever reason. Because somebody needed it, because whatever, yeah, we're not in control of that. No more than Israel was in control of when the cloud lifted from the tent. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

But it's so good you just want it.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Yeah, yeah, you have to be you have to be careful chasing that.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

But I think it's a good reminder, too, that there's a responsibility for all of us who come to church to prepare for that. I think when you look at that, you know, we could we weren't chasing it that day, we could buy it, but I think it starts with a young lady saying, I'm ready to follow Jesus, I want to be baptized. Yep. And and then it's it's that obedience, and then the obedience as we as as you know, the worship team uh is preparing their worship set, and as Daniel is preparing his message, like it's obedience along the way. And I do think there is an obligation that we have to do our part, yeah, not chasing an experience, but Lord, I'm just gonna be obedient to you today. Yes. I don't think it's the same service if Hannah doesn't say, Hey, I I'm I'm ready to follow Jesus, I want to be baptized.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

So so there's the answer right there, right? Why did all that happen? Because of obedience. And when we are obedient to the spirit's promptings, then the spirit is more tangible. The spirit's not grieved. Yeah, you know, this yes, well, the spirit's inside of you as a believer. Yes, I know that. That's not what I'm talking about. Of course, the spirit is inside of me. What I'm saying is our disobedience grieves the spirit, and our obedience, I think, is part of the reward of that, yeah, part of the fruit of that is those mountaintop moments, so to speak, those glorious moments, those moments where the spirit is just more tangible in our lives. And it doesn't have to be emotional, and sometimes it is, sometimes it is. It doesn't have to be any man-made thing we put on top of what we think the spirit moving is. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

Um because I mean, if we're honest, the spirit's moving constantly. But there are there are times that that we're we're more aware. We're more aware of it, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Now but but that but last week goes all the way down from what we were just saying, goes all the way down to an individual being obedient to the point of sending you a pretty vulnerable text. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? And and like don't don't discount that. Don't discount the meaning, the the the the everyday, seemingly just normal, nothing to it, obedience. Like that's where the actual miracle power is, is just in the everyday obedience of things. The everyday of saying I want to get baptized. Like it's you know, like that, that's such a normal thing, but so powerful for someone to do that and want to do that. Still to this day, we're here in 2026, and somebody still wants to say that today and do that today. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. Like never lose your awe of that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

You know, and I think we should we should always approach it, everything that we're doing, with an expectation that he's going to do, he's going to move. Um but it's finding that the balance of trying to provoke him to move. Yeah, if that's the right thing. Yeah, yeah. You know, because it can go south if you start provoking him to do things. But we should always have that expectation. Like when you said preparing to come to church, like we should everyone should show up expecting an encounter. Right.

unknown 52:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

You should. Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

I mean, go ahead. I mean, we we could we could come in next week and we could I could say, Hannah, come on, we're gonna dunk you again, and we're gonna do these same songs, and Daniel's gonna preach from the same text, and he's gonna do it for the same amount of time.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

I deserve that one.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

And and it doesn't guarantee anything. Matter of fact, it probably is going to be a disaster because we have used human wisdom to manipulate. We've got the secret sauce, right? And it isn't going to work. No, because it wasn't about any of the things that we did, it was about the obedience in what we did.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

It wasn't about anything that we did, it was that we were doing them. They were yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's like, and so it it's it's we pray this often, like God do things that only you can get the credit for. And that is a simple example of that.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

He gets the credit for that. Yeah, there for there to be multiple people that tangibly felt the Holy Spirit's presence that day. I am not that good. That's right. You know, you know, like it's you, you know that's beyond you. It's not you. Yeah, yeah. So, which is a good thing. Yes, you don't we don't want it to rest on me nothing. We don't want anybody's eternity or whatever, the fate of this church, spiritual experience, the fate of this church. We don't want we want that all on Jesus' shoulders. Yeah, that's right. Definitely not yours. Definitely not yours. Definitely not, definitely not, definitely not my wisdom. Maybe your patience. Oh, wait, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

This guy.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

This guy.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

We're now we're we're devolving. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

You said a while back, I we can we can kind of wrap things up here, I think. Um and I'm gonna I'm my mind's starting to wander as I'm speaking. But you it you something you said draw me to the Great Commission. And you're talking about being discipled and what we're what what it says for us to do. And that was you know what what that was Jesus' last earthly command was was to to go and to do. So that there was a call to action. And and I think that I may be opening up too big a can of worms here, but but my because all I'm wanting to say is that that we we are called to to go and to do, however far that that calls you away from. But it's there's sometimes you get so heavy on that you have to be doing. And it's it's not that that's just like it's nothing else except for grace through faith equals salvation, and then in because of that, we go and do. And I just you know, I'm always wanting to urge people to be doing because it's so easy to just sit back because because it is so simple.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

It is so simple to understand and to grasp, and it doesn't require anything except for you to you're you always come back to that you're doing because you're justified, not but not to be justified. Yes, you you know, you're doing it because you're saved, not to be saved. Every every motivation, every word we speak, every act, every service, every uh all the things that we do in Jesus' name is out of gratitude and love and awe and respect the for the fact that we are saved. We are his child, we are forgiven, we are redeemed. He is beyond our comprehension of good and love and all those things, but it's never to earn his love. It's never to earn his j his forgiveness. And you have to constantly come back to that and come back to that and come back to that and be reminded of that. It's it's you know, faith and it's faith alone in Christ alone, because of the grace of God alone, for his glory alone, period.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

And when you're when you're doing it from that, then it's a joy.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Yeah. Yeah. I th I think we're called to work our tails off from salvation, not for salvation. Yes. Yeah. And I think I think with that being said, you know, the beauty of the Great Commission to me is that it's as you are going as you're going to do these things. And I've been on some amazing mission trips and I've been to some great places and had freedom to share the gospel, and it's been really good. But some of the sweetest times of ministry that I've been involved in are things that weren't ministerial. They were just a chance encounter, a chance conversation. Seemingly mundane, weren't afraid to jump off into the weeds of faith and be like, hey, look, I know we're at the grocery store, but this is a great time to talk about Jesus. This is just where we're at. You know, I know we're at the at the ball field. I know we're at the you know, wherever it might be, wherever we go, as we are going, we're called to make disciples. And that might mean sometimes we go to to Antonia to Mexico and we build a house and we invest in some folks and we share the gospel. It might mean that we go to New York and we team with, you know, uh Swerve Church. That's awesome. Those are great things. And it might just mean that I have a random phone call from somebody I ain't seen in five years, and I'm able to just say, Man, you know, what's the Lord doing in your life? And stir up that conversation.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

It could be as simple as just on a Sunday morning seeing somebody and feeling prompted by the Spirit to go check on them and say and walking up to the person saying, I don't know why I'm, but I feel like I'm supposed to ask you, like, how can I pray for you today? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

Like we and we get those promptings and we go, that's not it can't, that's weird. And that can't be that big of a deal. It's a huge deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the power is. That's right. That's where the the miracle is. Because God is using you as his agent to to meet someone's need in that moment. And when we responded in obedience, his manifest prayer, you know, power, I think, shows up in those moments. The the statement, I actually said it in a sermon a while back, but I think it was Dallas Willard. It wasn't a sermon, it was a Wednesday night uh prayer service. That that grace is not opposed to effort. Grace is opposed to earning.

SPEAKER_03 58:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Grace is not opposed to effort. We ought to be the hardest working suckers on this planet. In a wise way, you know, which have the rhythm of life and have the rest and all the things. But when it's time to work, we ought to be the hardest working people on the planet. But but not from a place of earning. We're not doing it to earn. We're doing it to express our love for the savior. It's already done. It's it you can say it. It's finished. You can say the word wrong if you want to. It's finished.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Yeah, it's finished, but you but you and you made the point that I think I was trying wanting to make. I just couldn't, is that that we're it's in our going.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

But we are supposed to be, we're called to action, but it's not a we get I think we get tunnel vision on that we have to go. We actually have to go to the ends of the earth. Right. Like that if if we don't go there, then it's not being done. Right. It's when we go out of this door.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

Here I'll here I'll live life, but but then I'll go and I'll do the Great Commission. Where really it's going, I'm doing the Great Commission.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

And I wanted to bring that up, because that's obviously incredibly important to our church. Because we say that every Sunday. Yes. To remind before we leave, we say that. And it's but it's not to just sound cool and have a good thing. Right. Oh, we say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Yeah, because it was what we're really called to do. It's because we're about to leave and go. Uh-huh. So let's go do this. Let's leave and go.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

And it's so hard though, because honestly, like what we do here, I don't want to say is is less important. I'm just saying what we do here is less effective if we're not doing that, you know, the volunteer fire department. When you're with the fire department guys, if they see a different version of you than they're seeing leading worship, or when you're, you know, coaching little league and they see a different version of you than they see here, or you know, when I'm you know at all my my workplace and they see well, it minimizes what we do. People are not gonna believe this if they don't see it in us.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

And that's I think part of part of the Great Commission is as you're going, do it so that when you're doing things officially it has a little bit more uh credence to it. It has a little more bite to it because they're like he really believes that. I I that's how he does it. That's and he ain't perfect, but he's quick to apologize when he messes it up. And you know, like those things matter. And it it it's as you're going, but also it's as you're going because when you are because you're carrying the Lord's the Lord's name, you're not taking it in vain. Yes, you're taking it and they're saying he carries it imperfectly, but he's trying. I see it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

It's authentic. And that feels I I think the world's not I think the world's not not actually looking for perfection in faith. They're looking for authentic, authentic authenticity, authenticity of faith. They're looking for an authentic faith.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Um and that I makes me maybe think earlier we were talking about putting holding the banner of Jesus up. Anybody can do that. But if if you try if you're truly carrying him with you, everything that we do will testify to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Or when he says, take up your cross and follow me. Ain't no denying that. He he that's a that's a load. Yeah. That's a load.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

Dead man walking. That's right. That's right. Well, it's been a good, it's been a good hour already. We could sit here and and just keep talking, but we won't um make y'all sit for any longer than you already have, but we appreciate you joining us. Um if you can find all of our previous episodes and sermons and all these things, uh, fbcdan.com. It's how you can get connected to our church and find ways to serve. Um, I if you haven't shared, I I hadn't really done any like promoting of you know, uh getting you to everybody says like like and share and all those things at the end of it. I I've never done any of that, but if you do enjoy this, it might be good to to share it with somebody that you think might also enjoy. And we we're we don't get anything from it, but maybe someone will be blessed by something that's said. So um please do that. But again, I encourage you to just get involved in serving somehow. And we will see you next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Well, that's it for this week's episode of Build. Remember, what we build with our hands fades, but what we build on Christ lasts forever. If today's episode encouraged you, share it and keep the conversation going. You can find past messages, upcoming events, and ways to connect at fbcdan.com. Let's keep building our faith one brick at a time. We'll see you next time.