Keith Urban's New Yacht Rock Album

Kicking off Summer 2026 and Fathers Day weekend, Keith Urban recorded yacht rock cover album flow state. Rock journalist, podcast host, and a great friend from my radio days Eric Senich, co-hosts this track-by-track review.

Yacht Rock links: Yacht or Nacht, Masterclass' Yacht Rock article, Wikipedia, Sirius/XM's Yacht Rock channels, Amazon Music, Pandora, Yacht Rock Revue, Yacht Rock web series

Eric Senich's Booked On Rock podcast
Recommended episodes: Author Jeff Apter, Jim Gordon, Boz Scaggs, Stevie Nicks

flow state / yacht rock originals playlist

Keith Urban tributed guitarists who passed in 2017

Interviews: Bobby Bones Show, Sirius/XM, Extra, Taste of Country

Music Notes with Jess recommended episodes: Yacht Rock, Yacht Soul
- Past interviews with Eric: MTV's 40th, Van Halen's "Hot For Teacher"

Will Smith's "Just the Two of Us"
Stephen Bishop's "It's Only Love"

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Theme Song: "Gym Track (2026 Remix)", composed by Jessica Ann Catena

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome to Music Media Review, the weekly podcast for taking modern music and medium headlines. I'm Jess. Always look forward to summer traveling, reconnecting, and creating the Maddox playlist. Right on schedule, Summer 2026 is kicking off with the new cover album I Picked by a famous musician. Flow State attributes young renditions by country singer and guitarist Keith Urban. Not what you'd expect comparing the two, nonetheless has ranked MyTunes' top three albums chart in the US and Keith's first place, Australian. Idea reviewing it for the summer and Father's Day weekend, I thought of the idea to relate Flow Stage trackless to the original late 70s and early 80s songs. By chance, I asked a close friend and booked on rock podcast host, Eric Senech, if he wanted to collaborate his rock knowledge and experience. He did in this interview. So let's cruise on our virtual yacht rock trip on music media review. Joining us is a devoted music fan who's worked in radio podcasting and fulfilled his fantasy writing for his favorite band's website, Van Halen Newsdesk. I knew him when and am lucky to introduce Eric Senech. Hey, my friend.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Hello. How are you doing, Jess? Good to see you again. You too. Thanks for having me back on. Oh well a couple years ago, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Uh that was my other podcast, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

No, that's right. That was for your other one. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Yeah, I'm moving back.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah, thanks so much for having me on. You're moving up. Thanks for having me on. This is this is interesting because we're talking about an artist that I usually don't focus on being a classic rock guy, but this guy has some rock and roll roots, as we're gonna find out. Obviously, he's got some yacht rock.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Yeah, so yeah, I mean, Keith Urban's not an artist you would think with rock, but he does play guitar. So I was wondering if you were familiar with his music.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm familiar with his music. He does have some rock and roll roots. I had uh an author on Jeff Aptor from Australia. He's a great great author, great guy. Oh, yeah. And he's written so many great books. He's written books on ECDC and Crowded House and The Cure, um Chili Peppers, Fleetwood Mac. Uh, and but he had he had a book on on Keith Urban. And so I had him on a few years back. We're talking about all of his books, but he was at the time promoting the Keith Urban book, which is a great book. If you get a chance to check that one out, uh it's called it's simply called uh Keith Urban. Uh that's Jeff After. He wrote that book, but you know, you find out that he does have rock and roll roots. I mean, he's I mean, he's jammed with some some rockers um you know over the years, the Stones and John Fogarty and Glenn Campbell. Uh, you know, so he's worked with a lot of these guys too. He's he's worked with um now Rogers and Post Malone and Pink.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

And he's got a round.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Yeah, he's well rounded. And so I wasn't all that surprised to to find out that he did this album, but I know his hardcore fans were a little, I mean, this this was kind of out of nowhere. This was yeah, I don't I think he announced it in March at a at some press event that he was doing it.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah, I have the story about that, but I thought being that this is your first time on music media review, and I never really gave a chance for you to talk about it on the last times that I've interviewed you. Do you want to share your music background as far as how long you've been on the radio, but it's also a way of how we met.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Yeah, sure. Yeah, I got I was in radio for about, I mean, I a combination of, I suppose, uh, let's see. Well, I started around 91, 92, uh as an intern, uh, then got my first on-air job. So I was an intern in New Haven uh at WPLR New Haven, Connecticut, and then I got my first paid gig at WCCC in Hartford in '96. And then uh at the same time I was writing, I was a sports sports writer, sports editor of a newspaper. I got a degree in journalism. So I was doing both. And then I went over to radio full-time as of like 99, 2000. Uh, got uh full-time shift on air shift at uh station 995 in in Fairfield County, Connecticut. And and down the hall, they had another station that would kind of it would change formats quite a bit, but then it became country. And uh I believe it still is.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Well, actually, well, so it changed format a little bit where it's used to be called Kix 105.5, but five years ago, I think because as a result of COVID, what they did was they got rid of the name and now they share it with the Poughkeepsie station, the wolf. So they what they did was they took the 105.5 frequency, which is the station you hear on, you know, in your car or wherever you stream it, and they added two more frequencies to count it as one station because country took a huge hit this decade. And that's what I feel so bad about because it's a current genre right now, if you look at the charts, but the radio stations, like everything else, Eric, everything's taking a hit right now.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Right. Well, see, I wonder though, because there was an article I read, I think it's Rolling Stone. It says they're talking about this album. They're saying, Boy, is is country rock making the transition now to yacht rock? Is that what it's doing? I mean, I who knows. You're more familiar with that area than I am, but but yeah, it's it's it's been a while since I've worked at on 85, so I didn't even know that. But uh yeah, so I worked full time there at on-85, uh, was doing nights there till 2006, and then I went back in 09, did that for another about 10 years. 2019 is when I yeah, I've took the switch over to uh podcasting and and have been doing that ever since. I had a one called the Discovery Podcast, and then did started booked on rock in uh 2021 and um write for the Van Halen News Desk as well, although I haven't been doing much for them as of late, it's just been so crazy busy. But uh that's uh yeah, that's where now you were. Did you join the company at the time when it was a country station, or was it before it became country?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

So it was country. So I met you um through a mutual friend, Tim Kaiser. He just got hired as one of the new DJs there. And we met through college radio also. I went to Western Connecticut State University, and I was advised to check out radio because I love music. And I don't think I ever told you this story, but they said that I couldn't major in music because I wasn't teaching it and because I didn't know how to sing or play any instruments professionally. So that's how I got placed into communication. And I transferred over from a community college in Westchester County, and which is where I'm from, I'm in New York. And I transferred over, being that I was halfway done, they were fair about it, saying that rather than you starting from scratch in a whole new major, why don't you do a little bit of the minors in the communication degree and you could just go an extra semester? So I said, okay, then, and then so that's how two of the classes was radio related. And I joined the station and I got credit for it. But my professor, Tom Zarecki, is a name that you recognize as well. That's another way how he met. So he started WXCI, which is in the book Orange is the New Black, even before that was even on Netflix. That radio station is discussed in there. But he also started I-95. And the first internship I started, it was our competition of when you and I first started working. It was uh 98Q, which is a pop station in Danbury, Connecticut, and then their AM station. I'm surprised there's still some DJs left, but there's a few left of 800 AM WLAD. And that I found after I met you. Well, let me skip ahead. Wait. So I sorry. I think I know you think you know where I'm going here. Yeah. So I interned there for a year. I graduated college, and then Tim Kaiser, my classmate, said, you know, I just started working at this country radio station. You should drop by. Maybe you should see if there's any work for you. So I go to the country station, you were doing your radio show on Saturdays, and you're like, Oh, hey, I'm Eric. And I think there is that's right.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

So I was part, I was part-time at that. I was the weekends at that time, or was I full-time, maybe? No, you were part-time.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

That was 2012.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Okay, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Can you believe that's 15 years ago?

SPEAKER_00 9:09

You know, that's the thing. I mean, and and I mean, yeah, the the the business has changed so much, and the the music business has changed so much, the way music is delivered, you know. Oh, yeah, the whole uh industry has changed. It's changed the way you know to record labels approach, you know, things, the way musicians approach things. Like I was thinking, geez, what's the lead single from this Keith Urban album? Really, that's not the way it is anymore, really, all that much, you know. Like he made a video for almost every song I was looking at M TV. Yeah, on YouTube, you know, old school. On YouTube, he made he made a video for I think almost every track.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Yeah, well, because everybody's so into video now, but you even incorporated on your podcast, and it's helped a lot, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah, it has because I I wanted to reach as many people as possible. So I I decided to do it. I had no experience in video production. So when I look back at the first videos, you know, like I cringe, you know. I had to just basically self-taught and learn and watch videos and do all that stuff. But yeah, I wanted to do it because that way you you could end up having you could have like two to three thousand subscribers on YouTube only that don't listen to you at all, and then you have you know, three to five thousand subscribers on audio only, put them together, and now you've got ten thousand, right? And and those things help also when pitching uh a guest. If I want to have an author, right, right, you know, it's it's that that was you know, that's the thing. I wanted to reach as many people as possible, not only to get the show exposure, but just to help these authors sell books as well. And and also social media is another thing, it's huge. Like social media, you know, it the tricky thing with social media though is like you do I do these shorts, and the short the shorts always do better than long form videos in general because people have short attention spans, right? The the trick is though, can you then convert that viewer of the short to your podcast to a full episode? And the percentage is low. You may you get a few here and there, but uh it's it's to me, it's just it's interesting, it's fascinating, it's it's challenging. And yeah, the the video, the video thing, man. I remember when YouTube started, me too, and it was like, wow, I could watch any video from any band, like pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yeah, or you could just watch anything, and that's where, even two years in, they had to start airing commercials because at one point YouTube didn't have any commercials, and that's where they were thinking, well, this wasn't gonna last so long, but was almost like when you and I did the MTV episode on Music Notes with Jess, my previous podcast, where you had to go there because then you see the numbers and you see the money, and that's where you see the opportunity. And now I feel like more people are listening and watching podcasts than TV. You don't even need cable anymore.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

It's funny you say that because I finally came around because my cable bill was so damn high, and my brother-in-law and my sister were like, Why why bother? Just get do uh YouTube TV, and sure enough, I I did that and I'm saving like $180 a month. Wow, and I have YouTube TV, and then there's another one called friendly FRN DLY that one. It's $10 a month, and it has all the other stations that maybe YouTube TV doesn't have, like uh um I don't know, like Lifetime Movie Network, Hallmark, things like that, like you know, old school stuff, packages, yeah. And it not only is it saving a ton of money, but now you could watch TV wherever you are if you have a phone or a tablet. Yeah, and now that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Everything's streaming now, so it's no more just one button, you just have to have all these different chain reactions, it's it's exhausting.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

We could get into the copyright thing. I mean, that's the downside. I mean, I know you battle that now. I but I have friends who are still they're playing clips of songs on their podcasts, it's you know it's a risk to take, and you know, but um, I know with YouTube, from what I'm told, and I know there are some popular YouTubers out there who play music. If you keep it to like three seconds, the YouTube scanning thing doesn't pick up on it. There's like little tricks of trade, but now that doesn't work with audio, uh audio companies like Spreaker and all these, you know, I use Spreaker. There, that's a whole different beast.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

I mean, that's the they scan it, even if you play a second of it, you could they flagged even the theme song I wrote for this podcast, and I was like, I wrote it in a college course, so insane, insane.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

I can't understand.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

And so they said, as long as you don't play any other music, and I don't, I use music loops from like iMovie and Garage Band.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

So yeah, yeah, but I that that's okay, but it's a good challenge though, because then it's like how can I create compelling content without playing music?

SPEAKER_01 14:04

So yeah, because we both went through two different podcasts, and just the idea of how we both just started in radio. I mean, you have more experience, and you saw the pre-streaming era, pre-social media era, but just even transitioning to how you and I are talking now, it's a whole different ballgame.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

It is, and it's great though. I love it, man. I love it, but I monetize mine, so I didn't want to mess around.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

I did I didn't yeah, I'm starting to also.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Uh oh, that's good for you. I I spoke with an attorney because our full-time my full-time job is is in is in the law system. By the way, I hope you're not. Can you hear my air conditioner? Is it coming through?

SPEAKER_01 14:40

No, I don't know if you can hear mine either. No, okay, because it's in it's in the 80s right now.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, um, but yeah, an attorney. So I I work for the court system, and I one of my coworkers says, Hey, do you know any copyright lawyers? And he's oh man, my former professor was a copyright lawyer. I took a copyright law course and okay, great, can I talk to him? And he they basically the short of it was he's like, Don't don't even take that risk, it's not even worth it. You know, it's it's just not worth it. But again, we there are people who do it. And uh, I think I think if you get on the radar, once you're on the radar, then you know, then because then they'll they'll just dump you from from their platform and you need to distribute it somehow. We'll see though in the future, you know, because the other side of it is it's a legitimate argument. It's it's like, yeah, but we're helping to promote these uh artists. Um, so that's our side of it. But the other side of it is, yeah, but uh I I wrote that song and it's mine, and you need my permission. So you know, you you can see I see both sides of it.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

So it is what it is, but so speaking of promotion, before we go track by track on Flow State, I had one more question to ask you is do you think the way that we're seeing classic rock and all these different formats pop up in radio? Do you think that yacht rock will ever be a terrestrial radio format? Because I've only seen it through Sirius XM, Pandora, Amazon Music. There's no actual yacht rock station. Do you think they'll they'll ever go that direction?

SPEAKER_00 16:11

I don't see it as something that could be a 24-7 station. There have been books written about it. My friend Greg Preto wrote a great book on Yacht Rock. There are satellite radio stations, but you know, that the Sirius XM thing is a whole different beast. I can't use that word, but because they're they're looking for subscribers. Well, yeah, they can play around with all those different formats because all you all somebody needs to really to have to in order to subscribe is at least one or two stations they love, so you can have some of those in each station. But I don't know if you could sell enough advertising based around. I would say I would give it like a 40-60 shot because it is music that you can play in doctor's offices, and you know, it's it's very you know that but that's seriously that's what no, I know, yeah. Supermarkets, yeah, that's where you get the the ratings where where it's safe to play. You know, you can't, you know, you certainly can't play you know some of the hardcore heavy metal stuff in in the dentist's office, right? So um, but but again, though changing times, how many businesses play local radio?

SPEAKER_01 17:19

I know a lot of them have have the you know the the music um yeah you know streaming from somewhere, so but there's definitely some market because I see a lot of tribute bands and it's not just generational. I like how it's becoming universal, and I think that's why Keith Urban went this direction because he opened up you know, sounding like someone else, you know, like Eddie Van Halen, he opened up his new recording studio in Nashville. And you he bought out a tracking room studio in I think it was the end of 2023. It's now called The Sound, and he was just jamming around to see the acoustics and just see how everything was sounding through the speakers, and he wound up recording some of these songs that we're gonna talk about tonight. That's how he was able to choose by what his voice can handle, which I thought was a smart direction.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yes, because I was wondering, I was thinking of why didn't he do that song? Why didn't he do that song? But I read that article, maybe that you're reading there, is that it's whatever felt right. Like he said, it felt like um like a it felt like it fit like a good pair of jeans and a t-shirt is something he worded it like that, but which is he which is his MO, usually he's in that outfit anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, but I you know I think I think he's I don't know if he's doing it just because it's something he just felt an urge to do, or he's kind of picking up on on this renewed interest in in this genre because it it has gotten a second life thanks to streaming services. So I told you through our emails, I think he's gonna have at least one of these songs is gonna take off and do well.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

It has to be. And the way I found out about it was I was watching the American Music Awards. He performed Summer Breeze, and I was seeing, like, is this on the radio or not? It's funny you said that because I noticed that most of these new albums, they want to go by the algorithms to say, is this a single? Or maybe let's put this out. Let's see how many people get excited over the album come out. It's it's a totally different way to approach things now, where you don't need a single on the radio, you could just go by the downloads, and that's how things are charting, or just getting attention or shared on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah, now he's he's only gonna play two or three tops songs from the album on tour, but he he would like to do an acoustic thing maybe on the side where he's playing the whole album.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

But uh Yeah, I didn't know if that would be a conflict of interest, though, would it?

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Yeah, um, I don't know. Maybe. I mean, I think like like we've mentioned Eddie Van Halen, Eddie didn't like recording covers, but he made the point. He's like, you know, he liked the challenge of creating your own hit. But when you cover a song that has already been a hit, you're already halfway there, and these songs were hits.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Eric is a big Van Halen fan, by the way. I forgot to mention that.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Yeah, you think, but um, yeah, I I mean these songs were hits already, and as we'll talk about as you go through the tracks, I mean he stays true to the originals, he's not trying to get fancy with these things, he's he didn't embellish which I liked. No, he's and I'll tell you, man, the one original on here with Michael McDonald might be my favorite, yeah. And I wish that I was trying to find a story behind how it was written. You know, there's there's about three or four names on the songwriting.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah, well, well, let's compare our notes because is this one thing that I bonded with Ovi while you're working is you take notes as if you're writing an essay or you're still doing your sports articles. And I just love that because I don't want to just go by, oh yeah, this person sings this. I want to know the story. I want to know what's going on behind everything. You're a huge inspiration to me because of that.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Cool, thank you. Yeah, and I have my uh my inspirations that came before me. And I and and then you realize not everybody is like us, but there are people out there like us, and those are really podcasters, like the people who really love to get into this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

By the way, I had to I had to get rid of all of my notes, my cherished notes.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

If you want to explain what what I'm referring to here, well, first of all, I might I might need to get a tissue because that is a truck. That just breaks my heart. So so when I used to, so Eric used to be on Saturday mornings from 10 a.m. to three p.m. for um from 2009 to 2019. And when I would first see him, um, I worked the events, I worked um the front desk. I did a little bit of everything part time at the radio station. So When I would go to see Eric on the same day where I would be doing events, he would pull up in his car, he would open up his trunk, and there would be this huge, basically like a container store container. It's a transparent container.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

That's why I had the plastic containers.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yeah, you had binders that were labeled A to Z of everything that you heard or were just fascinated by the rock artists or connections that you wanted to talk about on the air because you didn't see the stuff that was on before, like you would start your shift. Not until you were gonna switch your microphone on. They didn't tell you, like, you know, because it's it's not it's not a modern station, so you wouldn't know what be playing.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

So I had to be ready to go right to the artist if I saw the band on the playlist.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Right. And so what they did was, and I don't know if they do this anymore, but what they did where we worked was when you were gonna DJ at a shift, they would show you the commercials and the list of the songs they would play each hour, and you would have to sign or make notes to say that everything went fine. There wasn't, you know, the tower, the radio tower didn't shut off where the cars couldn't hear anything.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

FCC regulations.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Right. So in between that, the left side of the studio where you would be sitting, you had all your binders A through Z. And I was so starstruck by it. Where you had a hand truck to be specific, A to C, D to F, G to I.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

It started as A to Z. And I remember like when I started, I'm like, yeah, that's not gonna be much more than this. Oh wow, okay. Well, let's let's have two binders. Let's have A to M, N to Z. And it just got bigger and bigger. They they're all a which is why I do this the book done rock podcasts. A lot of it came from books and stuff. It was stuff that that the DJs other DJs couldn't get access to easily because all these stations would uh would um subscribe to uh uh like a source business is a source that would yeah, fax you stuff to every day, like hey John was born on this day, his real name is Reginald, you know, Dwight. Reginald Dwight. And so I was like, Yeah, and I would cruise around all the stations, scan through them, and I noticed that if all the rock stations, the DJs would be saying the things that I was I was reading that day in the studio from that source. So I'm like, ah, I gotta do better than them, you know. I gotta one up them, you know, and that's really how it started. Magazines, newspaper articles. If I saw something on TV, I'd transcribe. I you know, audio transcribe that. If I and then when podcasts came, I would I would listen and transcribe those and make copies of pages out of books.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

I don't know how you carried it because you're pretty strong, and I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

I think you had to work out just to carry it because just to get I had a hand truck, I I had to go to Staples and get a hand truck. Staples are Home Depot, so it was a hand truck with bungee cord, and I have to put it around. And some of the people would look at me like, what is wrong with this guy?

SPEAKER_01 25:14

So before we uh go to the track by track, I think I want to know the funeral story where what happened? Was it just taking up too much space?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Yeah, yeah, taking up a lot of space, and we just reached this era now where pretty much essentially anything that I had, you know. I mean, it's it's it's pretty now accessible online and or updated now with the books you're reading. Yeah, yeah. And I and I just didn't need it anymore. If anything, I may have kept the Van Halen stuff I had, but even that is all like accessible now. So I was like, yeah, it's time because it was taking up a lot of space, and I was getting like OCD with a lot of just stuff that I had here that I just had to get rid of in my apartment. And that was, I'm like, let's do it, it's time. And and I it was easier to do at that time because I I didn't need it as badly. I mean, I but all that work, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

I know it's my heart broken right now.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

I considered, I remember at one point I I was uh I was considering software that I could scan everything in and have it, you know, all on like an external hard drive or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah, well, my job does that because I work in medical manufacturing, so we need anything that the doctors give us because that's how we view prescriptions and that's how we're able to see what works based upon what they're prescribing, or we do technical recommendations, and that's how we're able to keep our business afloat.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Yep, yeah, that's pretty much how it works now. Nowadays, too. You know, you have you have AI, which is to, you know, use it as a tool. I I tell you know, people there's a discussion about, you know, you could go too far with it and just literally create a piece of art out of it and then you know say it's yours. But that's you know, I I spoke with uh the guy who produced Stevie Wonder albums, who he himself, he's like in his 80s and he's like, nah, man, use it as a tool. It's it's it's something that it's great for research. So like when I when I read through these books, I also have it, you know, do a little chat GPT scan of the book and see like maybe it'll come up with something that I didn't think of, and it does, you know. Wow, man, why didn't I think of that? You know, like why why didn't I think so? That's a great one. And uh so you combine all that stuff together, and you've got you know, you really again, it is a tool, utilize it as a tool. For um, you know, I I I it I use it to help with uh not just research, but you know, like YouTube thumbnails and coming up with like titles and and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

So it's tutorial, it's tutorial in a way.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

It is. I mean, it's it's accessing everything from the internet, and it's you know, but it's also any information it's giving you, it's coming from sources that are on the internet, so there's limitations to it. But again, as a creative person, you you gotta create stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

You that's certainly, I mean, and you have to fact check because people just say anything, sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Oh, yeah, that's the thing too. You gotta make sure they give you the source, and if it's a lame source, you're just like, but uh yeah, I mean it's it's good for um, yeah. I mean, I helped it helped me with uh the the logo and helped me with the uh the website and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

So and I I don't know if this counts as AI, but I have an online dictionary on my computer, and sometimes I'll do it if I don't want to keep saying the same words.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

So I don't know if that counts as AI, but no, I mean that is that is like I use it for work when I'm sending emails. Uh uh, I'm a supervisor of my job, and I have to send an email to a staff, and I'm not sure how to word it, you know. I'll just kind of feed it into uh an AI thing and just have it kind of tighten it up a little bit and restructure it and make it you know, make it uh easily readable, things like that. Yeah, I think that's what you're saying. You yeah, it's it's like it gives you synonyms. Synonyms are great for writers, you know. That's yeah, you always want to have that read.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Because I have writer's block and I have to always make sure I understand what I'm saying, because if I understand, then everybody will understand. That's where my head goes.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Right. Yep, yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

But before we get carried away, I know we're dressed for the occasion, which we didn't plan this, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

We're both pretty seasonal Hawaiian shirt.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

I'm a flower girl right now. But what do you say? You ready to go sail away on our little yacht rock trip? Let's do it. Here we go. All right, so number one is Steal Away. This I thought was a great opening track. I first love when you hear the ocean waves. Like this was just such a perfect impression to start the album. Because for the people who don't know what yacht rock is, it's kind of like a renamed soft rock alternative, I guess you could say, where it blends in soul and the soft pop you would hear from the late 70s to the early 80s. And this I thought was great because it's kind of like that romantic escapism kind of vibe. It's I I feel like I'm on vacation when I hear this album. That's the that's the introduction that sets the tone. Sets the tone, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Yeah, I think uh was this, I think Robbie DuPe is the one who originally did this one, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Yeah. Great opener immediately establishes the yacht rock feel, like you say, and the concept of the album. And Keith Urban's voice it fits surprisingly well. I mean, it's yeah, you know, he's got the country, the country twang. Is that what they say?

SPEAKER_01 30:47

But but um yeah, he's got like a little Yodel in a way where he and he's Australian too. People forget that because he enunciates pretty good, but but it comes out once in a while when he'll hold a note. But I like it. I I like his voice. I've and I've learned more from the country station where we used to work at because I don't want to say my family doesn't like country, but they've never really like had a way to listen to it because they're from the boroughs of New York, so it's like they couldn't, they couldn't really, you know. I mean, they they hear they listen to some stuff, but they I really kind of self-taught myself from when we worked together, but he has really nice stuff, and I've really grown to like his voice and always playing guitar. That guitar is always with him.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Solid guitarist, yeah. He and he modernizes the production, but he doesn't lose that original laid-back feel of the original track, which it's interesting. That how did this song not become? I mean, it's a yacht rock staple, but it was not a massive hit when it originally came out.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Well, it's funny you mentioned that because I don't think it was. Well, I looked up when I first heard the song because I never heard this song on the radio. I learned about it from VH1. They had this countdown called 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders of the 80s. It was from 2009, and when I first heard it, I was like, is this what a fool believes from Doobie Brothers? Because this is where my ears went. It sounds exactly like that.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Yes, yeah, it's Robin. Shudakoff is a is a second writer on the track, but you're right, though, it really does. Yeah, and this is Wikipedia, so take it for it's worth. But it's funny you mentioned that because it says here it charted in the top 20, big hit in the summer of 80, 91, John DiAgostino of the LA Times described the song as a blatant, wimpy ripoff of the Michael McDonald Kenny Loggins composition once.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

And I'm just going by my ears because I don't know how to read music. I want to eventually. That's that's the next thing on my bucket list. But I swear, when you think of what a fool believes, up to you know, like that chorus, it's the same exact rhythm. And you know what's ironic? Robbie Dupree was nominated best new artist for this song in 1980. So I I can't be the only one who heard that thinking that it was well compared that way.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

According to the Washington Post, Michael McDonald's publishers sought legal action. Although Michael himself did not accuse Dupree of stealing his song.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Well, I don't know anything other anything else from him, so maybe that's why they they let it go.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah, what else did he have? Probably, I don't think he had oh Hot Rod Hearts, it says here, number 15 single. He's in he's best known for Steal Away and Hot Rod Hearts, which was 1980. Uh, it must have been off the same album then.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Yeah, see, this is why I like doing this because we're learning, you know, with we don't want to keep hearing the same thing. So now it's something else to look at.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

And this was number 24, by the way, in Australia. I've I've looked up the Australian charting and the US charting just so that way we can kind of get an idea.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

But you're talking in 1980?

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Yeah, 1980.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Oh, okay, yeah. Because we we don't know yet where any of these are gonna chart, but that'll be soon.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Right?

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Because the album's doing really good. It's been top three on iTunes in Australia and the US. And we're recording this about a week after it came out. It came out June 12th.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

So I'm feeling good about it. And you you said you heard it twice when we were getting ready to record.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Played it through twice. Played it through twice. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

So in comparison to the original, I think it's pretty equal. What do you think? The Wakeway Keep version and yes.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

I would say it is very close to the original. And I think if you like the original, you're gonna be you're gonna be a fan of this song, of this version. And if you're a fan of this song, it's cool because it's gonna bring it back into the into the uh spotlight.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

Yeah, you know, just in time for summertime.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

There you go, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

So up next we have Baby Come Back from Player. And I never thought of this as a yak rock track. I've heard it on so many 70s playlists, and I had heard this one on the radio, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Yeah, one of the most recognizable on the album from 1977.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Player is the band. I'm assuming another one-hit wonder. We can find out, but uh yeah, he leans in Urban, Keith Urban leans into that melody rather than uh trying to outsing the original. Again, he's not he's not trying to he's not trying to one up the originals or put a whole new spin on it. He's you know, he's basically paying homage to these songs.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

But I liked at the end where he was jamming it out because the ending would just say the chorus to fade out on the original, and I liked that he extended it where he put his spin to not just feel like he was just replicating.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yeah. And the harmony vocals are key on this track. I it you you wonder if country artists are maybe they're suited to soft rock than many of the fans realize. Well, a lot of people might just be where they're headed, you know?

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Well, a lot of people are throwing back because even Miranda Lambert's dipping into disco, where she did um a song to sing with Chris Stapleton last summer. Now she has a new song, Crisco. So maybe country's throwing back in the 70s. Even Ella Langley said that she loves Stevie Nicks, and she said loving life again, her new song. That's was her inspiration. So who knows? Is if we're gonna have like a classic country sound in modern country, because it's really pop at this point.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Yeah, yep. Yeah, this this could be one of those landmark albums. Do you remember way back in 2026 with Keith Irvin?

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Right. No, I hope, but though I hope it, I mean, it's that's my focus each episode because I always want to choose stuff where this is where I'm finding history. This is where I'm thinking it's significant. I'm sure in a year from now we'll be talking about this album.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Right. And from a music business aspect, right? I mean, that's that's the interesting way to look at it is like how is it gonna play out?

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

You know.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

So this I didn't know this. I don't know if you know this, Eric. Did you know that Baby Come Back was the number one hit in the Hot 100?

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Oh, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Yeah, I didn't I didn't know that, but this is where Yacht Rock not surprised. Yeah, I'm not either, but this is where I wonder what else could come of Yacht Rock because they're bringing back these one-hit wonders where they're doing tours too. They've done, I've even seen them do it like on a boat, like they do the one of those boat shows or in vacations if you want to see stuff like that. So it's good acknowledgement for them.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

Three weeks it was number one.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Wow, that's a long time for back then. It's not like now.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Yeah, winter of 78, January, uh the weeks of the January 14, 21, and 28.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

And I looked up that player had opened up for Boss Skags and Gino Vinelli. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Oh, okay. Cool. Boz Skags, he's great.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Yeah, he's good. You did a book about Boss Skags.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Yeah, yeah, I covered uh yeah, great book uh on Boz Skags.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

I'm gonna link whoever we talk about, any of the affiliations. I'm gonna link those episodes in our notes.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah, I mean that I was a fan, but I didn't realize how many great songs he has. But yeah, that was uh back in April of 2020. So about about a year ago, that episode, Jude Warren, the author of Lowdown, the music of Boz Skags.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

So this version was pretty solid for me, baby come back, and it was number 15 in Australia between 77 and 78.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Okay. This next track, I'm oh my god, I'll let you introduce it.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Really? Now I wonder now. I now wonder now. I wonder which version you're talking about. So track three is Magnet and Steel. It was originally written by and sung by Walter Egan from 1978. There's a lot of history in this one, so now I have to just stop and hear what you have to say.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Yeah, I I you know what it is if if I'm not a fan of the original track, then it's it's gonna because he stays so true to the original, then it's not going to win me over his version, and for some reason it just um yeah, it just it doesn't stick with me. Uh Stevie and Lindsay from Fleetwood Mac saying the uh background vocals on the original version, but it's a it's strong collaboration. The the harmonies, little big town's harmonies is really cool.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah, what do you think of them? Do you like little big town? Because they almost remind me of like a country Fleetwood Mac.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Yeah, don't know enough about them, to be honest with you, to uh to give a good uh a good opinion on them.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

But but you know, it's a good choice of of collaboration there. He's he's got one with John Mayer later on, and one with uh Michael McDonald. So he's he's got these are good collaborations here.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

So yeah, he was smart with his choices.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Yeah, I mean I you know I'd give it you know five or six out of ten. I mean, it's just again, it's just because the original version itself didn't uh strike with me. So it's nothing that it's nothing that Keith Urban is, he's not he's not you're not holding it against him. No, he's just you know, just the song is yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

I know this song from my mom. This was always one of her favorites, and my parents, my parents love the 70s and they were teenagers when they when they grew up in this era. Did your parents like this kind of music?

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Uh well, my dad and my yeah, oh yeah, my mom and dad. But uh both my parents were born in in 39, so they grew up on the standards.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

You know, my dad grew up on the big band, big band era, and then you know, fell in love with the Sinatra and Dean Martin and Johnny Mathis, you know, like this kind of has that kind of arrangement in there, so that's why I was curious.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Because they they were in their mid mid to late 30s and the 70s, so sure. I mean these songs, and my dad was a disc jockey, you know, for so many years, so he was always in into what was new at that time.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

So like you, huh?

SPEAKER_00 41:24

That's it, yeah. Keep you know, so um, they they were certainly fans of all these songs, like you know, we had here in Connecticut Lightwood 100.5 would play all of these songs, and Lightwood 100.5, my mom listened to all the time.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

So is that still around?

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Still around. It is our friend uh Chuck Johnson, yeah. He's not there anymore, but he was there for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Yeah, he helps out with other radio stations now, too, in the morning, so I'm happy about that. Well, uh Eric, I don't know if you might want to listen to Magnet and Steel one more time because I found a comment here that's gonna make you laugh.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

So Wadi Wachtel heard through the grapevine that Keith Urban was recording this, and he told CB Nicks, who's singing the backup originally, and guess what he wrote to Keith after he had said that this was gonna be covered. Oh boy, Stevie's very angry that she wasn't asked to sing on the song with you.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

Oh, that's I saw something about he got Stevie angry about something.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Well, I don't know if she's joking or not, but you know what he said? That's great. Yeah, I found that so funny.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Wadi is Stevie's long time guitarist, collaborator. He's been with Warren Zevon. Wadi Wattel's one of the best. Yeah, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

So I don't know now if you have to hear it back again and see. Well, was Stevie approved? Maybe I'll like it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

If she was on it, I'd I'd like it even more.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

But uh maybe they'll do a maybe they'll do a remix.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Sure, sure. She would have done it. Oh, I think you know what? He's probably he was probably just busting his stomach.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I had to share that with you because I know you just did a you just did a Stevie next book, and you've done multiple. And she's my sister-in-law's favorite artist.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

She's got a lot of fans, but boy, she's she's got some haters, and they're usually the guys that don't like seeing men, uh seeing women uh succeed. Some some male chauvinism still going on out there. That's kind of reading the comments on YouTube. I was like, Whoa, dude, chill.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

My god.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yeah, like the writing books. You'll see them on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Yeah, I mean, we're still friends for you not liking this song. Why can't everybody else be this friend?

SPEAKER_00 43:48

Stevie, man, she's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

So I thought Little Big Town did great. I liked that they did a fuller sound than the original. So I liked this one. I thought it was very well done. Considering how they had a lot more voices than the usual. And so originally Magnet and Steel, for one who wonder did pretty good. It was number 32 in Australia and number eight on the Hot 100 in 1978.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Not bad.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Track four, just the two of us, originally done by Bill Withers on Vocals and the I believe it's the saxophone, right? Grover Washington Jr.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

So and I don't know. And this kind of went along what we were saying before with radio. So this came out in 1980, but it must have done really well working its way up on the charts because I saw that it was spanning over to 1981 to 1982.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Yeah. You're right, Grover Washington Jr.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Yeah. What do you think of what do you think of just the two of us?

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Oh I I think it's it's a great recording. However, Bill Withers' voice is like he can't touch his voice. So Keith Urban, he's he does a great job on vocals, but man, Bill Withers, he has that beautiful voice. So I I would I gotta pick the original over this version. However, yeah, Urban, he's uh he's always incorporated. I mean you you can speak this more than me, but I think he's always incorporated like RB and pop influences into his music anyway. So I think maybe that's why this works. Um, but but shows his verse versatility as a vocalist, does a nice job on it.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yeah, so I agree with you here. So I'm so used to the original version, but I also liked the rap that Will Smith did. And if you anybody's not familiar with the music video, it's great to see for Father's Day because he invited his celebrity friends and their kids in the music video to just kind of hang out. It's really beautiful, and it tells the story of when his first son was born because he didn't stay with um his um his, I guess you could say the well, his first son's mother. They they didn't get married. This was before Jada Pinkett. And so this was kind of like growing into the blended family where he wrote this song saying, like, you know, I still love you, you know, you're not going anywhere, you're still being a part of this family. So it's a really beautiful rap track, and there's a lot of rap that samples Yaprocks. So I think that's another reason why it's a trending genre.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

That's a good point. Yeah, that's a real good point. That's why I never fought back against uh uh rappers when they would sample rock songs and stuff. It's like, hey, whatever, man. It's introducing that you know to it to uh a new audience, and it's also showing that these rappers have an appreciation for good music. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Yeah, so I'm stuck on the original melody because of that, and not that it's this one isn't bad, it's just it it was different hearing at a lot an octave lower, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

And the original recording is like vintage, it's like you know, that the original recording is it's like fine line, man, it just gets better with age, so it's hard to again. Keith Urman's not recording saying, I can do it better, you know. So he he he loves the track, he just wanted to record it. So with that in mind, it's it's it's really cool. I enjoy listening to it.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

He did have a saxophone solo, so I appreciate that. Yeah, so originally just the two of us uh it won Best RB song at the Grammys, and it was number 31 in Australia, and it was I should have looked up that what beat it from number one on the hop 100, but this was number two.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

So I always those are that's great trivia when a song goes to number two. Like, what what was number one? You know, where like Van Halen's 1984 and what was number one, and it and it kills Alex Van Halen to this day. Thriller? Yes, okay. He's like, if Eddie if my brother did not appear on Beat It, we would have been number one. He's like, We should have invited Michael to be on our, you know.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

So I should quickly ask you, what did you think of the movie when they mentioned it?

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Oh, oh, it was so cool. I I have a feeling for legal reasons they didn't have a look alike and Eddie look alike or anything like that, but it was so cool. I loved it. You should see me in the theaters, like I'm like smiling, you know.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

Yeah, I was like, I was hoping you would you would be proud of that.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

Yeah, my man Eddie.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

I know, and with that, I to go from a sad song next, number five, on and on from Stephen Bishop. He's a great singer.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

I love Stephen Bishop, yeah. I I was watching um Tootsie on Turner Classics, and at the end of the movie, they play It Might Be You by Stephen. Friggin' love that song.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

That's my uncle, I love that song. That's my uncle and aunt's wedding song. They're married 40 years on Valentine's Day this year.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Yeah, and and he's he's in Animal House.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

I forgot about that. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

I I've seen Animal House, but I didn't I don't realize he's the dude, he's like, I gave my love of flower. Oh, that's him. I didn't realize pulls the guitar and smashes it and gives it back to him. That's that's Steven Bishop.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

Oh wow, I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Yeah, that's him in there.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

See, this is why I love being your friend because I'm so starstruck, and everybody's like, Yeah, who cares?

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Like, yeah, no, yeah, nobody gives a rat. Yeah, yeah. But this is this is a great song, on and on, and and he does a great job on this.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

This was actually my favorite on the album. I felt that his voice was so comfortable singing the whole time, and the way he hits the high note at the end, I was like, Yes, you did it. You did it.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

This might gain fans rather than just kind of satisfying his existing fans, he might get some new fans out of this. This is kind of like a deep cut choice compared to some of the other ones on the album, which are bigger hits. Uh, on and on was it was a hit, but it wasn't like you know, it's not like as soon as you hear, you're like, Oh, I know this one, like as much as just the two of us or something like that. But yeah, man, it's got that relaxed, sunny vibe to it that that defines the album as a whole.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

So and I always admire that he mentioned Sinatra in the lyrics, puts on Sinatra and starts to cry. Yes, that's such a great line.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Thumbs up to this one, man. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Absolutely. And I know that you're a fan of when I did the Burt Baccarac uh countdown on um my previous podcast, Music Notes with Jess. So the other song I know from Stephen Bishop is um from an album that they wrote, a Burt Baccarak. Um, it was the soundtrack to Arthur, the movie from 1981.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

Wait a minute, that's Christopher Cross you're talking.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

No, the uh there's the other song. So you know the instrumental song they play in the movie Arthur?

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

So my dad has the vinyl of it. There's a vocal version, it's called It's Only Love.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

You have to hear oh my god, I gotta check it out. Okay, because you know, yeah, Christopher Cross is the one who three does he play.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Yeah, best that you can do. He won the he he won the Grammy for that. Yeah, he actually beat. Well, if we go back, he beat Robbie Dupree for uh for Best New Hearts at the Grammys. Okay, see, it's all connected, we're connecting the tests.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Yeah, he had Save It for Rainy Day, which is another thing. I don't know if I heard it, maybe I've heard that.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

I don't know that one, but I did also read, and I didn't know this because I love this song too. But he sings back up on Phil Collins, This Must Be Love on Face Value.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't either, and I have face value, okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Yeah, that's a great album.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Yep. Love Phil Collins, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

So two thumbs up for On and On Okay for Stephen Bishop. So this this actually, so this is the only song other than the new one that we're gonna get to soon. This did not chart in Australia, so I went next door and I got the charting off New Zealand. So New Zealand did chart number 29 in 1977, and this was number 11 on the Hot 100 in in the US, and this was number two in what they called easy listening, which if you look at now, that's kind of like the yacht rock title that you could say back then was this kind of music because it wasn't pop, it wasn't hot 100, it was easy listening, and then I want to say like maybe the late 80s, early 90s, you had Adult Contemporary as a new chart, and that's when they started doing more of those stations where you just hear everything now the top 40, the pop, so that way it can be family friendly.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

So that was good.

SPEAKER_00 52:42

This one was good, yep, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

And I liked this surprise where when you go halfway point of the album, we get a new yacht rock song from Keith Urban, and he did it with the one and only of king, I would say guess the king of Yacht Rock, Michael McDonald.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

He's Yacht Rock royalty, yes, perfect guess. Yeah, I didn't even know. I thought maybe it's a cover because it's so good. I was like, maybe this is a cover of something, but it's not, it's the only original on the on the record, and it's great. I mean, it blends in seamlessly with all the other covers.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I think this would be a single. I could picture this on Adult Contemporary, it's my favorite track on the album. Really? Wow.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

I think just because it's an original, so it's like, yeah, he he knows what make made these songs work in the first place. Like he knows how to craft these songs. I mean, I I he's got some other songwriters in there.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah, so Braylon is uh he's a fairly new country singer. He's really good. He uh is uh he has co-writing credit, and I would love to see if the song goes far. Maybe now that we're hitting first day of summer, maybe they'll start rotating it as a single because it deserves its it deserves its glory.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

Yeah, Michael McDonald's part is great. That's that's like the highlight of the song for me. Yeah, I just I love his voice. His voice still sounds awesome. They but they put a little effect on it.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Did you read his book that he put out recently? No, no, I didn't either. I want to.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

No. Uh I did I interviewed a producer who is friends with him and just said he's the nicest guy ever.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

And he gets made fun of all the time with his voice, and he just goes and be like, Yeah, that's me.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Oh, yeah. No, he he makes fun of himself. He makes jokes of himself, and uh he was some at one point he gained some weight, and somebody somebody called him Santa Claus or whatever, and he just he was he was like joking about that. Like he doesn't take himself seriously at all. He's great, man. What a voice!

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Yeah, so I will keep uh music media review social media posted if we go back, does eventually become a charted head, but it is already in in our in our uh in our realm.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Track seven, help is on its way by little rubber band. They're Australian, so I thought that was a nice nod.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Yes, a nod to Australian music history, and he's paying tribute to a band that likely influenced him growing up.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

I'm sure, you know.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

Um and yeah, I mean it could lead to a discussion like what's Australia's impact on the on soft rock, like globally, you know, it's one of the more and it's one of the more emotional performances on this album. This is uh this is a good track. Uh, it's you know, again, this is one though where uh the original version I wasn't I wasn't like blown away or even all that familiar with, so but it's a solid track.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

Well, I give him credit because he's a solo singer, so he doesn't really have backup singer when he does his own work, Keith Urban, I mean. So he held his own covering a band song because they usually don't recommend that you do that, it's not the same, but he he made it for what it was. I was okay with this, but this is the first time I saw Help is on its way linked as Yacht Rock because I've heard reminiscing Lonesome Loser and Cool Change on other Yacht Rock stations. This was the first I've heard this Little River Band song in Yacht Rock, but I'm assuming it was because he vocally was able to pull it off.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Yep, and he does, he pulls this one off.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

I liked it, and this was number one in Australia.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Was it?

SPEAKER_01 56:22

Yeah, so this was number one in 1977.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

Yeah, little river band, man, they got a ton of hits.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Yeah, I love reminiscing in Lonesome Loser.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

They're they're yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:32

And number and it was number 14 on the Hop 100. So this one it did better in Australia, obviously, than than the US. And I don't know if this was some kind of Grammys for Australia in a way, but the song also won top 40 record of the year. So this was definitely a part of his childhood because he's 58, so he remembers when this song came out.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

Yep. You know, they have nine singles, Little River Band, nine singles in the top 20. Wow, ten in the let's see. I think there are nine singles appeared in the top 20 on the singles charts. Help is on the way as their only number one hit. Ten singles reach the top 20 in the Billboard Hot 100 with reminiscing. So that we're talking like different singles charts.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

Ton of songs.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

We're giving a lot of education tonight. I like it. Yeah, this could be a few summer soundtrack.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Yep. It's good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 57:33

Next for number eight is how much I feel. Now, you remember when we were working in radio that when they had the syndicated parts at night, so the rock had Ultimate Classic Rock, which is still a pretty good blog for the rock industry, but for country, they had one called Taste of Country, and they still have that, but now they have a podcast. And I saw that when they interviewed Keith recently, he said that covering How Much I Feel was the hardest song to record on the album.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Yeah. He said just the verses alone, it took six hours just to like figure out how he wanted to have the backup singers and how he would sing in. Because in the original, the lead singer, his name is David Pack. He goes up and down with his voice, and that's not easy, even just in one take, let alone as a cover.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

Yeah. It uh yeah, this is probably the most vocally demanding song on this album. So I'm not surprised to hear that. He avoids over-singing, which is good. He lets the melody kind of carry the the emotion of the song. And but but this is this shows you how sophisticated a lot of these yacht rock arrangements are, were and are. Right. Um, so that that this is that this is a challenge for him, I could see. Yeah, and ambrosia is underrated, I think. You know, I think this will help. I'm looking here. Past members of Ambrosia, Bruce Hornsby, really that had to have been like in later years, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:07

Because yeah, I mean, he never talks about that. No, he came up in Virginia and and started his own band with his brother and took off. So I think it might be like a Grateful Dead thing where he steps in and helps out.

SPEAKER_01 59:18

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Wow, that's according to Wikipedia. Let's see what it hornsby, let's see. Ambrosia currently tours internationally and has worked in the past and present with, and then it says Alan Parsons, Bruce Hornsby, Michael McDonald. So they might they must sit in for some gigs or something.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Maybe, yeah. Well, especially if they're doing opening acts or anything like that. So that could be the other connection. But supposedly David Pack had heard about Keith covering this album, and he basically started a secret text message change where he texted Steven Bishop and he complimented on and on. He texted Robbie Dupree, and he loves Steal Away. So I thought that was cool. Was hearing he was hearing from the original artist, but because they're all still alive, which that was pretty pretty good that he was able to hear back from them.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

And I heard uh, I think last night I was listening to the Taste of Country uh interview where Thomas Rhett's backup singer Josh Reedy helped out in this song. So and it sounded good. I liked it. I I I thought it was very well done because it's a very hard song to sing.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

And he jammed here pretty good, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Yeah. All right. This next one, I'm trying to find out who did the original. It's a tricky one. I'm sorry, I'll let you introduce it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Oh no, that's okay. So I'll quickly say how much I feel was number 30 in Australia and number three on the Hop 100 in 1978. Number nine was Summer Breeze.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Oh, of course, Seals and Crofts. The hell I say, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Maybe your eyes jumped ahead, but I knew I knew what you were I knew you were looking. But I I'm a little sad because this is the first summer where we don't have seals or crofts because Jim Seals had died in 2022, but Dash Croft died this March.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, so it's rest in peace.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:17

It's bittersweet, but this is a song where it's not summer until I hear it. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:23

Yeah. Yeah. One of the uh I think it was one of the advanced tracks ahead of the album that was released. So it gave I think it gave a a good idea as to what was coming. Uh probably best represents the entire mood of the album and um guitar textures, classic Keith Urban. And uh hey, could be the you could could call it the centerpiece of the album's concept, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I would put it up with Steel Away, but I think I like Steel Away a little bit more because you're not hearing it so much. Right. I liked the way that it I thought that was a smart way to just kind of reel everybody in. In Yaprock, get it real, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

So, but I do have a little piece of good news for those fans who are missing Seals and Crofts. They are having a Seals and Croft 2 band going around where it's Jim Seal's cousin Brady and it's Dash Croft's daughter, Lua, and they're calling it Seals and Crofts 2.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Yeah, so that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

It's nice when you can get the family to kind of the music goes on, and the stories, yeah. The music will will live on if you if you have family members that will can carry it forward, that's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

And I better and I found that uh another book topic that you talked about on your podcast, Eric, was that Jim Gordon drummed on this song.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

Yeah, that's right. You're oh man, that story is it's a dark story.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Um it's unbelievable. I had no idea any of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

He's been on hundreds of recordings, and so many that people don't even realize that he's on. But most famously, uh Derek and the Domino's Layla, which he wrote that ending piano part, and phenomenal drummer, the best session drummer in the business, but he had mental health problems, hearing voices, and ultimately dangerous mental health problems where it's just in prison. Oh my god, a violent act against his mother. We'll just say that. Yeah, but um, that's right, he's on that track, man. Guy was brilliant. Yeah, just recently passed too a few years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Wow, yep, and summer breeze. So it did it was number 16 in Australia, did number four on uh no, I'm sorry, it was number 16 in Australia, number six in the US, and number four, easy listening. There's that there's that vocabulary again, and this was from 1972.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

72.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:52

All right, got a few more to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

This next one is another I I did not know about this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

I don't even know about the original.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

Wow, yeah, yeah. I just want to stop from Gino Vinelli. This was good. This is another one where my my my parents liked it, but this is a great song where it kind of goes along with the magnet and steel arrangement, but because I love the original so much, I whoop did not like this rendition because I would have liked the way that they had the more vocalists on Magnet and Steel. I missed that on this one. And nothing against the backup singer. In fact, I know she's a friend of Keith Urban because she was runner-up on the voice in 2020 by Blake Shelton. In fact, we're recording this when Blake Shelton turned. He's 50 today. Can you believe it, Blake Shelton? He's done so much. I can't believe he wasn't like older already. But Wendy, her name is Wendy Moton. She did um she she did the voice in 2020. Blake and Keith Urban did a show last year on CBS where they were giving opening acts a chance to get more recognition to tour around, and they had this show called The Road. I didn't see it, but I have a feeling that's how she got added on this album because she sings back up on a couple of songs here. But I wish they had someone else singing with her, and that's where I just it fell flat for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

Well, the original vocal is iconic, from what I understand, and I can see why I listened to the original. So it's it's a bull, it's actually from what I'm reading online too. It's one of the most divisive tracks on the album, and just really you, yeah, just hearing you talk about it. Wow, it kind of falls in line with that. But he did he brings a different emotional quality to this, his version. Um, but like I said, I'm not, I'm not I just I can't even recall ever hearing I mean the and the song was a huge hit, Gino Vinelli from Canada.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Well, this is lighter too than what you would listen to, so maybe it was. Just done familiar.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

Slip past me, but it's just it's a good tune. But again, yeah, it's possibly one of the most divisive on the album among fans.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

It's interesting to read the comments on on Reddit.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

This is one of the few songs where I like singing the backup rather than the lead vocals. Because I just loved how it just arranged back and forth. It was it's so fun to sing for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

And for some reason, I forgot to list the charting on here. I don't know how I missed that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

I just want to stop. Well, we talk about the original because the original did really well. It's his biggest hit single to date. Number one in Canada, four in the US on the Billboard Hot 100.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Yeah, it did very well. A lot of these one and wonders, they did very well. And I think this is just a way where they can just kind of because I'm assuming they would get royalties with how much they're they're playing, I would think.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

If they're on the publishing, that's the key. You know, it's whoever's getting songwriting credit on that, and they got publishing. But you know, a lot of these artists are selling all their publishing because they're not making all that much from streaming services. So they'll sell their catalog if you have a lot of music. But one song, yeah. But if if it's used in a film or commercial, then make some good coin off of it, as long as it's not something like you know, an artist wants to have say in what their song's you know going to be used for, unless they sell publishing, then you no longer sell it's like oh yeah, we're gonna use your song for a hemorrhoid commercial. Great, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

So I just want to stop. It actually did really good along with the charting. I won Best Male Artist at the Juno Award, which is Canada's version of the Grammys. And when I've looked up this song, because we forget, Eric, now we could just look up any artist online and see how they look like. But if you didn't own this album, you had no idea how they looked, or if they wouldn't perform on TV. So the breakout moment that Gino Vinelli made with this song, it was on Soul Train. And that was, and he's and he's white. I thought that was pretty innovative for back then because this was kind of like the blue-eyed soul. This is like the blue-eyed soul. This is where it came from. It came from this music.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:15

Yep. Michael McDonald's blue-eyed soul, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:20

And we're down to our final track. Bread, number 11. Number 11, guitar man. I know bread, but I don't know the original. So I heard this before. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

I would assume what if they toured with meatloaf, you know, and it you know, and then and then the opening act was the electric prunes from the from the 60s.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

The 60s. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

I know I'm missing some others. What are other food band names? Um, but yeah, red hot chili pep mask. Um, great tune. The cranberry. I love John Mayor. The cranny. I I love John Mayer. I mean, as a Grateful Dead fan, he really picked up the slack, picked up the slack where where Jerry left off. He did a phenomenal job, and I have a feeling that he's not done, even though Bob Weir passed. Yeah, I think John Mayer's gonna be the guy to carry the torch from here on out.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

We'll see what he does with and you love the Grateful Dead. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:23

Love the Grateful Dead. Yes, it's weird to be a huge Van Halen fan and a Grateful Dead fan, I suppose, but I know the difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

See, that's why I knew you were okay to do this episode because you're very open, but you're very open-minded, which is love music, period.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

So yeah, but yeah, John Mayers, he wow, the solo leaving the song at the tail end.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:45

Wow, I almost wish he sang a little bit more, he only harmonized.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

Yeah, but two two of the most respected guitarists of their generation on one track, you know. It's uh it's guitar fans will love this track, man. This is gonna be yeah, man. It's it's a dream pairing here.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

It was an interesting choice closing it with this one, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

But I think about a life of a musician, yeah, great topic, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

And he's a guitar man, which he says, you know, he can't be without his guitar.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

Yep, yeah, it's it brings the focus back to musicianship on this album, which is really what it's about. It's about a love of the of the music, of the songs, yeah, that he grew up on.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:27

I really like this song. I don't know how I didn't know it because I know if I know make it with you, I know baby I'm gonna want you. I don't know how the song escaped me, but I would go back either. I would go back to hearing it again, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

I didn't know it either. That's why I thought I thought, like, maybe is this an original? Like, I could there were some of these and I weren't sure if they were originals or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:46

I just which is good because then it was it sounded new to us, so it got our attention.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:52

And this did very well in 1972. It was number 22 in Australia, number 11 on the Hot 100, and it was number one easy listening.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:02

Okay, so it's Brent had a few hits back in the day, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:09

Yeah, I only know a few.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

I don't oh, yeah, that's not 15 songs charting on the Billboard Hot 100 between 1970 and 1977.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

Wow, yeah, that's a lot, and they worked a lot harder than now. It's not like they just make the number one single, make it with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:23

Yeah, it don't matter to me, 10. If number four, baby um I want you, yeah. Three, everything I own five. Wow, Diary, 15, The Guitar Man was number 11, sweet surrender, 15, Aubrey 15, Lost Without Your Love, 9, Hooked on You was their last single that charted at 60 in 1977. That's a solid run, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

Yeah, I'm I'm assuming they're still out there touring because you could tour off those songs, and yet it just sounds like it's faded away right into all of the stuff that we keep hearing over and over again. That's why I love looking into all of this. We have to keep an open mind just so that way we could just you know have fun and explore.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

Yeah, here's the story of the name a bread. This is a quote from Gate, let's see, one of the band members, Gates, David Gates. He says, A bread truck came along right at the time we were trying to think of a name. We had been saying, How about Bush telephone pole? Ah, bread truck, bread. It began with the bee like the Beatles and the Bee Gees. Whoa, also had a kind of universal appeal. It could be taken a number of ways, of course. But the for for the entire first year, people called us the breads, but yeah, bread, not not these days, didn't really talk, but bread was like money.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:45

Yeah, give me some bread, man. Yeah, there you go. We're learning some stuff here.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:50

There you go. Well, this one's so quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:52

In closing, what are we what in closing?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

I really liked this album. I hope it does very well, and I appreciate that we kind of had our own perspectives on how each song was done. Because I know there's gonna be some people saying, This is Yap Rock. Are you kidding me? I remember when these songs came out, so I'm sure there'll be that. But Keith Urban's pretty beloved, so I think this kind of opened the door in a bigger way with Yap Rock, where it's not just a niche, and I know it's pretty big online. I think this is exactly what we needed right now, and that's why he named the album Flow State, because I was thinking flow like the water, but he said in interviews where he wanted everybody to just be like, you know, in a good place, kind of like meditative, where he just wanted everybody to relax. And you could feel that with these songs. I felt like I was singing along and I was picturing it at like any of the parties we would hear over the summer, we would be at over the summer.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:56

Is it intentional? It's all lowercase, right? Well, that I lowercase F, lowercase s, I believe. Kind of like flows, it's like a chill. Well, let's see, because now I'm seeing it in capital letters in some places, but not in others on Spotify. It's all lowercase.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

See now you're saying that I'm like flow state, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:18

Yeah, flow state. Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:20

Flow state, close your eyes and you're there.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:23

Yeah, like it's like understated, it's kind of like no. See, now they they have it in uh in capital. Oh, here it is. Style flow state stylized in all lowercase. So if you look at the album cover, it's it's all lowercase.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

Oh, I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:41

I put this together so quick, but I want to thank you for coming on and chatting this. I know it's a little different than what you talked about on your show, but I figure it's another angle to work, and it's always a pleasure to talk with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:55

I love rock and roll. Yacht rock is among those forms of rock that I love. And my coworker loves country music. And I told her I said, I'm gonna be on the podcast tonight talking about Keith Herban. She was so excited. She's like, Oh my god, have you crossed over to us? I'm like, I don't know if I'm a country fan, you know, I'm not a diehard country fan, but I'm like, listen, it's but it's part of your history, so you're there a little bit, right? So it will be interesting though, like maybe this, maybe this episode 10 years from now will be monumental. Like this album, the you know, what will this album be like a is it a fun side project, or is it like uh, you know, a revealing one of the most revealing albums of of of his career, right? I mean well he was already do first.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

He was he was already asked if he's gonna make a second one because he said, I know I left out Kenny Loggins, I left out he said he left out a duet track, which I'm trying to figure out what he could didn't he allude to taking it to the streets he tried and it didn't feel right. That I didn't hear.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:52

I I think so. But what was the other obvious one? Um, well, I mean, like he didn't do any Christopher Cross, Steely Dan. Stilly Dan, but he also I was just thinking um like um Pina Colada and oh uh Rupert Holmes, you know, like a big, big one. So I think he could do another one if this does well enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:14

Yeah, yeah. And maybe he can do a tour this way. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know if it's a conflict of interest because the licensing can only go so far with this stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

Yep. We shall see.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:26

We shall see, but thank you, Eric, for this. And I want to make sure we talk about your podcast booked on rock.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Yeah, if you if you enjoy conversations about the stories behind classic rock, the songs, the albums, the artists, check out the podcast booked on rock every week. Have at least one episode, if not two. Talk to mostly authors, but we also talk to musicians and music historians, and we explore the albums, the artists, the moments that shape rock history. It's on YouTube, so you can watch it if you want to listen. Get it wherever your podcasts are, or you could just go to booked on rock.com or just search booked on rock. It's for those about to read and rock.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:08

I see what you did there.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:10

That's right, and we salute you. So it would be very cool if you uh wanted to join me as we talk about all you know, all these things. I got one tomorrow. I'm recording. I cannot wait. It's it's about the making of the Beatles Hard Days Night film.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:23

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:24

So that one, um, looking forward to that. I got a lot of them. I got interviews lined up into September at this point.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:32

I was waiting for you to say December because I know it's a labor of love, it's a master class. It's it really is, Eric. I don't know how you sleep because the way that you just have everything done by yourself, it's astonishing.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:49

Yeah, I could probably use a little help, but uh I know a girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

No, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

I tell you, it's the scheduling that's up. Wow, that can get up. Because I'm at work, you know, like trying to like uh you know coordinate, coordinate with publicists and and and the and the authors themselves and all that stuff. I've got some big names that I'm pitching and I'm trying to get on. I don't want to say, but I'm I'm hoping. But um, yeah, I mean that it's the podcast is doing so well for an independent podcast, man. It's it's you know, I I'm kind of shocked at how well it's doing. It's it's just I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

I I need your autograph. I didn't get it. I didn't get a chance when I was working. Now I need it because it's gonna be your name's gonna be up in lights, and I wish I wish so badly that this would be your full-time job because you just oh we'll see, we'll see, you know, you never know.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:39

I'd love to do one on movies too. If I had more time, I would do a booked on movies, right? Booked on film or booked on movies, like biopics. Anything get it. I mean, lit you know me, books are written about movies. I mean, I would love to get into the making of jaws or whatever, you know. I love old movies, new movies. If I had time, I would trust me.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:01

But you've been involved in podcasts a lot longer than people realize, and you just do such a fantastic job. I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:12

Well, thank you. But I, you know, I it's like I it just the challenge now is like balancing out my time because like I and I I always tell you I feel bad. Like sometimes people will text me or email me, and it's like I don't get back to them right away, and I'm like kind of sometimes I get overwhelmed with everything because at my full-time job, I'm a supervisor, and it's like a big thing, it's a big job, and it's all and you can't always be on your phone, so right. So, you know, it's it's uh but yeah, and and you know, congratulations to you. I mean, I I've been following your your podcast, I think from the from the beginning, from the get-go. So thank you. And and this I love this new one, it's a great concept, and um hey, it's up to us to keep uh keep this music, the discussion of these of these artists alive and and keep the curiosity uh in terms of like people who know these songs or artists or albums, but they don't know everything about the albums or artists or songs, and it it has you listening to the music in a whole different way once you find out things about them, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:10

Yeah, well, that's the approach I always wanted to kind of give people because I like to think about what I'm listening to and how it could mean something to someone else. Everything just goes so quick, and I like saying that I like when I'm talking about because people just kind of follow the algorithms or they just follow what everybody else is doing, and that's not music to me. I just like I just like going by what makes sense and where who are talented, really. Because the big big names doesn't always mean they're great.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

I'm sorry, I don't want to sound like a bad person, but and most people will just assume by your age what you're going to like. And if I tell somebody I'm I was listening to Glenn Miller on my way to work today, they don't get it, you know, like they don't understand. Like if it's like, or if I'm listening to a new band, like I will I will tell you right now, the best new band out there is Goose from Connecticut, jam band. You know, oh yeah, but they're you know, that's not really you know, you should be more into uh the older jam bands, like uh Grateful Dead. I'm like, I don't, I don't know what I don't care what age these I don't know, I don't even I'm not even thinking about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

This is where I want to say age is nothing but a number, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

It's an art form though, but that's really what it is. This is art. I'm this um, I mean, I was watching the original King Kong the earlier today, the from the 30s, and it's like you know, it's it's it's a work of art, you know. I'm looking at it as a work of art. I didn't have to be alive in 1930, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Right, I wasn't born in the 70s, I was born, I was born in the late 80s, and the I people can't understand how much I know all this stuff because they say, Oh, yeah, it's probably your parents, but it's no, it's me.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:51

There's a lot I self-teach myself, but you're studying it like an art, so it's it's the same as if somebody who's a lover of painting knows everything about Mozart or uh Mozart uh uh Picasso, you know, or or or you know what I mean? Like so yeah, there's teenagers right now who are in love with Mozart's music, and you're just like you know, that it's it's different. Music is different for for people like us. We just we don't look at it as like a fad of like you know, like like a clothing, you know, like oh this isn't this isn't cool anymore. I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:22

No, it's it's long term, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:25

It's it's anyway, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:27

Eric, you're welcome back anytime. And I'm sure I already have an idea already where we could talk about it, but thank you for your, you know, thank you for being on the show and definitely stay in touch.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:40

Thank you. Thanks so much for having me on, and uh goodbye, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:45

Listen to Keith Thurban's sold-out album, Flow State, and Eric Sinage's acclaimed rock book podcast, Booked on Rock. I know you'll enjoy both as much as I do. Thank you for listening to our conversation. Share your feedback to Music Media Review Podcast at gmail.com. I made a playlist consolidating Flow State tracks with the originals and attached some relatable content in the episode description. For more updates, follow Music Media Review on Facebook, X, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. I'm Jess. Have a safe, wonderful summer. Happy Father's Day to all the dads. I'll be back next week discussing what else is trending in music.