Bald Men, Seagulls Reincarnate & The Secrets of The Universe

In this episode, we discuss some of life’s key mysteries: Kara wants to find where all the bald baddies are at, we wonder why Ari has declared war on seagulls and pigeons, and we discover what lengths Sarah will go to uncover the secrets of the universe! It’s part philosophy, part bird slander, and completely normal by our standards.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Talk Talk Talk Over Podcast. Before we get into it, this episode is sponsored by Joe Louise Beauty. Welcome back to the pod. Welcome back, everyone. It might look a little different to our visual viewers. We're all viewers. Guys, we're having a girls' weekend up in Maine. We are in the OOB. We're pretending that we all live together. Yeah. Because we're manifesting it. We're cosplaying roommates and we're so far. We're taking the pod on the road. Yeah. That's what it comes down to. International parts anywhere. International parts. We're always stayed over. We're always clocked in. Yeah. Yeah. We are. Remember that. One thing about us we're working. Yeah. We are on the clock. We are always working. Yeah. And that's why we have our sunglasses on because we were on the clock last night at the bar and we're tired. Trying to come up with stories for the bar. We're trying to hydrate. And do we have some? We do have a few. Yes. We do have a few. Someone literally came up to me and said, Are you Kara?

unknown 1:00

Uh.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Oh. I said, Do I know you? By the way, this isn't the first time that this has happened. This literally happened across the ocean in Ed and Brada Hur. Okay, but I actually knew that guy. Yeah. This guy was like, No, I don't know you, but like you're really pretty. That was like how does he know your name? I don't get it. Like Kara's not like, he could have said any other name. Kara is not something you just pull out of your ass.

unknown 1:24

Kara.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

That is like, you know something. And he also was like out of his mind drunk. He was like he could not, which was not the only person we experienced like that. Right. Of course. There was another guy that was literally screaming in my ear. To the point where, and guys, I have bad hearing. To the point where I was covering my ears and like trying to get away from him, and he kept following my and he would not back. He was like thinking that she couldn't hear him, but she's covering her ears, so he's getting closer and closer. His ears were turning in his head. And we're like, oh my god, he was like, oh, louder. I'm like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Shut up. Please not any louder. So bad that like one that way, one eye that way. And we're like, we just need to try to do it.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

And it was no, I couldn't, he couldn't grab on.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

He like couldn't get a grab. Bannister was his best friend. Oh my god, yeah. And then he just let his buddy talk to us and he just like walked away and he was like, He like had to grab onto the railing. He's like in the corner of the dance room by himself. You know what? You gotta figure out how to lie. I hope they fed him this morning. I hope so. Last night, even. Yeah. That guy needed something. And then we saw them walking today, and he was not in the group. He definitely was still stuck sleeping. Yeah. Wow. I would have been shook if he had gotten up. No, he's like. I had two drinks and I woke up not feeling good. I can't imagine. They said they've been drinking all day. Yeah, we're old as fuck. Because I had three drinks and I woke up at least, which is really late for me. We're like the whole holiday is gone. Yeah. It's the middle of the day. It's lunch. I'm like, do we want lunch? Like, I don't. And I just feel disgusting. I mean, I shower, but it's just like my insides don't feel great. I really don't. Physically and mentally, I feel off. Yeah, there's like a fog. There's a fog, yeah. To be honest, not feeling bad.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Chicken nuggets did save my life.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Wow. Yeah, those are really good.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

If I didn't eat, I would have been down bad. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

But I think because I ate, I'm like feeling pretty good. I was still hungry. I ate like 10 chicken nuggets and I was still hungry. 30 chicken nuggets. My stomach was growling when I went to bed. Really? Yeah. The alcohol took everything out of my stomach. I was hungry before we even left for the bar, if we're gonna be honest. I was too. We came home, we put chicken eggs in the oven, we changed to pajamas, and then we started watching heated rivalry. Yes. Well, we continued three or something. Yeah, it was gorgeous. And then once I went to bed, it was like one, and I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. I woke up at like 8:30 and I was like, don't do this to me. Yeah, I literally passed out, and I can't believe you woke up that early. My body was like, get up, you're gonna shit your pants. That's actually the word when you have to jump out of bed. It was like, I'm so comfy right now. And I woke up my bed was like absolutely in shambles. I don't know what I was doing last night, but my sheet was pulled out from under me. The other it was rolled. I don't know what happened. You were fighting. I slept pretty good, honestly. I was fighting demons. Yeah. Well, speaking of demons, should we get our hotties? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Okay, guys. I one thing about me, I love a good people watching. Me too. Like I'm at the bar.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

I'm looking at everyone. Like you guys are talking about. I'm making eye contact with everyone too. Yeah, me too. I'm looking at like one and a half drinks in me, and I'm Something at the bar, like you can stare at me. I'm talking right here, and I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Like I'm Puta fitly. I'm like, what could like what's this dynamic? But watching at the bar is so fun, too. Computer, make these guys so big. What are what is up with all the guys just like they are hanging on each other? Like the whole thing. And they're not even bothering to look at a group of guys. A group of guys is surrounding us. Not one of them talks to us. They're just like arms around each other. Like, oh what are they blowing out? They're talking from each other's face, which like love that you guys have a friendship. Love. But like you guys are gonna do it. But why are you here? Yeah, you could have just kissed. Just kissed. Yeah. Computer. Computer. Stay at home and computer, do your job. Right.

unknown 5:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

But I'm like, cannot be a part of that.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Let me let me get in here. So, how open-minded are you? Wait, good question. Good question. But yeah, I just love it. I'm like thinking about everyone's situation. I'm like making up. I'm like, they're in love with each other. Wait, me know. I literally saw like these two guys that were the same height. They were like little shorties. And they looked like they were about to kiss. Yeah. And I was like, please. Come beautiful. Oh yeah, literally. I was hoping they would. I was hoping I would see it. But they didn't real life. That we know of. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. You know what? But yeah, it's my hottie. I love that. I agree with that. People watching is huge for me. Me too. At the beach is good too. So good. So we have characters. Yeah. Characters are. It's so fun just hearing people's convos and people's voices carry, I feel like, on the beach with the wind. I'm hearing what you guys are talking about. I'm like in your life. I love that. Me too. And I'm judging it too. Yeah. I'm like, wow, really? There was, remember that girl and her dad last year they got in a fight? Oh my god, this girl was like probably 13, and she's like literally full volume yelling at her dad, and he's like upset because she slept in or something. And he's like pretty much telling her that she's lazy. Oh, she's screaming at it. And she was like, Well, I was awake in my room. I just didn't want to come downstairs. Like, like that makes a difference to you. And he's sitting there silent and she just keeps like you'll be a father and tell her to stop screaming at you in public. You guys are embarrassed. Yeah, we were like trying to sleep, and we're like, she's screaming at full volume. And she's like, it is different. Okay. And blah blah blah. And I'm like, if I talk to my father like that, yeah. Yeah, she was like calling him names and stuff. That was a good thing. How disrespectful. Yeah. That's crazy. I mean, I don't know. He could have been a dick for all we know, but I was like, oh my god. Yeah. How about we keep it? Yeah, but we really please. People are trying to sleep over here. Oh boy. Who is your hottie? My hottie is I love when people smile a lot. I look at you. Yeah. And I don't really like the opposite is when people are like angry. Like I drive home from Boston every day, and I see people like throwing their hands up, just like being angry in their car. And it's just so unattractive. Like you could be the hottest person ever, but if you're like an angry person, it just takes away from it. But if you're like someone that's always positive through everything, I think it's so attractive. Yeah. And just like smiling a lot. Like I love that. And that then you're approachable. You're super approachable. And like I want to be friends with you. Like we were trying really hard last night to be approachable. We were like, please. So there's my body language is open. Right. There's like body language cues where you're like, you're supposed to have like your palms open. Like you're not, don't cross your arms and like you'll be crossed off. And then like we're trying to do it. They even say don't hold your drink in front of your body, but I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna drug me, so I'm putting it right here. Yeah. Between my I'm holding it here. Yeah. Um, but we were also like, I feel like we were laughing with each other, which I feel like makes you look like approachable because we're smiling. Yeah. And we didn't get approached. We got approached a couple times. And like this guy that like we met last year when we were here, like him and his buddy, and then we got to talk to them. Yeah. He looked approachable. Okay, people are coming back. Yeah, okay. And that guy's approachable too. Shout out to what should we call him? Oob guy. Oob guy. Mr. Oob. We told him we would shout out, shout him out on the podcast. Yeah, but we said we'd keep it anonymous because we're kind. Because we're kind. Yeah. And he's a nice guy. Very nice. Yeah. Wow. Okay, my hottie. Well, my hottie is the rock. Dwayne. I Dwayne the Rock doesn't know how much hotter a person can get than the rock. He's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Carol loves a Baldy.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

He's perfect to me.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Are you gonna end up with a bald guy?

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I I'm honestly down for it. If he's like fucking jacked and huge like The Rock, like and The Rock doesn't even have facial hair and he looks perfect. Yeah. I know he doesn't look too naked.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

I don't think he has any hair on his body.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

And I don't think he's like he is Yeah, I was just thinking that. Like, have I seen him with chest hair? I don't think so. He has nothing on his hair. He must do laser or something. He's gotta do something. Yeah. But I saw this um post he posted because they just did like the Chris, um, not Chris. Um Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. I'm like, Chris Hart is not his name. Kevin Hart roast, and he was like there, and they're like best buddies. And I saw him post and I was like, God, I love their festivities. He looks so delicious. I haven't seen The Rock. Yeah, I haven't seen it. And he has like these gorgeous smile lines. Yes. I love his smile line. Yeah, he does. But I just think he's really I just like a funny guy. He is like funny, he's approachable. He's got a dark, a dark voice. A deep voice.

unknown 10:53

I have no thought.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

A dark voice? Yeah. He has a deep voice, and like his laugh is like and he can sing. He's a man of many traits. And he's a girl dad, isn't he? I love a girl dad. He's a girl dad. Yeah. Yeah. So he knows what to do. I love his stuff. I know. He's awesome. There's not, yeah. He's so good. There's not one I don't like. And he looks good in all of them. He's looked good at every single age. Yes, perfect. I'm telling you. Besides, honestly, even that little fanny packed photo he's got to be able to do it. I was gonna say that's the one photo that he doesn't look the best in. Yeah, because he has hair. He has hair in it. Like, no, what's off? I think it's worse than it's worse committed. It is. You look older. They end up looking older when they have like taking control over like what you want to look like. Yeah. Or like even just shave it and get a wig. Get a toupee. They do really good ones. Yeah. I've seen guys look really good. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm fully on board. You like it? I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I think if it makes me feel better. Yeah. Like women are always like looks max able. They get extensions all the time. Like you fucking do that. We get extensions. I feel like it has a negative condensation. Dire hair. I think if you get a shit ass toupee and you look stupid, then like slapping in the wind. Right, but there's people who do really good ones, and I don't see why not. Yeah. I would never judge someone for doing something to themselves.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Women do that all the time. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Many different things. And that changes your life quality. When you feel good about how you look, like you feel good on your own. So like why not offer that? Like men deserve gender affirming care as well. I agree. Everyone does. Yeah, everyone does. I love it. I also love it. I am on board. Yeah, that's a big thing. Two pace? Yeah, that's like. But the rock doesn't need bunnies about the body. Yeah. I think all bald. What? Can I speak? Can I speak? We're all struggling. All of them are. All of them. Not all of them. But I think it's hot if you commit to the bald. You know what? No matter what. Committing to the bald is hot. Yeah, yeah. Not that they're all hot, but nobody, not everybody. Just the act of being bald is hot.

unknown 13:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I'd love to act. The confidence behind being bad. The act of balding.

unknown 13:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

The confidence behind being bald is hot. Yes. That's what it is. Just confidence in general. No, I guess. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. Okay. What is your naughty?

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Yeah, let me ruin the fucking vibe here.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Staying with a nautical theme. Oh just inspired. Yeah. I fucking hate a seagull. Really? A seagull. I thought you liked them because you pointed it out. I what? You pointed out a seagull yesterday, and I thought you were like, oh. No, I was like, get that away from me. No, get out of my space. No, I I'm not one for birds, anyways. I don't like any birds.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

And then seagulls just like feel the need to be around people all the time.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

They're up in your business. Like, it's just so and they're so loud and easy. Every time they fly over me, I'm like, it's gonna shit on me and ruin my dad. I can, but they always want to steal my snacks too. Dude, our aunt don't fucking take my snacks. Yeah. Oh my god. Go fish. And the sea's right there. Last year our aunt got the sandwich taken out of her hand. Yes. They're sitting by it and she's like holding it. Wait, I've came out. I forgot that. I was like, wait, I was there. Yes. No, they ruined my day. I'm like, get out of my space. No, literally. I don't like them. I like them from afar. They were cute yesterday because they were laying down. Yeah, because they're not annoying. Yeah. But if we had food, they would have been. Yeah. I just don't like it. I don't feel good about them. I feel like they have like a a disease. They have some sort of like negative energy coming off them. They're greedy. They're little tea. It's like like all the worst people you know, they're gonna reincarnate as a seagull. Like, yeah. And like that's that's the energy that they get. No, and I agree. I just really agree. They're greedy as hell. They are greedy little dogs. Like I see I see pigeon I see seagulls as pigeons. Like that level of bird. I like It's the pigeon of the sea. Yeah. Yeah. It's because they're like Justice for Pigeons. I'm sorry, guys. Oh pigeons?

unknown 15:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Oh it's not their fault that they were domesticated, but they're like so heavily reliant on humans that they're like so. It's like what would they do? It's like do without it. Yeah, so then they do something. So they can't even think of this. That is not my fault. You've had years to re like, what is that called? Like evolve. Evolve. You've had years, and you can't fucking build a nest. No. You're not even trying. You're putting like three sticks on the ground and sitting on it. We domesticated them and then we said, no, we're done with you. They can't go back? No. Can't go back to work? They're stuck in their ways. Oh, yeah. Like they can't just that's stuck. Okay, what if what if your parents were like, okay, you're homeless now, and then you had to raise generations homeless. And then Generations! Um, really talk about this. I have the the negative side effects of capitalism on my side. Um, unlike No new pigeons. No! I have to pay to survive. They can just go in the woods and build a nest. Your bodies are full of the biggest. They're like choosing to find idiots. My body's not okay living outside. I can't fly south for the winter. Do they fly? Do pigeons fly? They can fly a little. Yeah, they're too. They're actually scary when they fly. They're gonna hit me in the head. No, they beat up on like telephone lines. Oh, you're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

I don't like their noises either.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Dude, yeah. Something about a bird's like eye is like the whole thing of birds, just freak me out. Birds do for you. I don't like it like that. Okay. I didn't love that for you. You're on your own. Yeah. Love that for you. Yo, on your own. Ya won your own. Yeah. We're not getting a bird for the apartment. Just letting you know. No birds, no, no, I said I wouldn't own one, probably. Probably, definitely. We're not gonna be able to do that. Yeah, it was kind of messy.

unknown 17:00

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

The talking ones freak me out too. The talking ones? I was I just read a book called Yours Truly, and there was a talking bird in the book, and it was like an old bird, and he'd just like start yelling about like Justin Bieber. He'd be like, motherfucker, and he'd just knock around the house, yelling at the really feeling. But it's also like, why how did we normalize a bird talking? It's kind of like creepy. How'd they do that? Wait, I love it. That's one thing. No, I love it. Like just something that makes no sense. We just like, yeah. Why did their vocal cords do that? That shit's weird. It makes no fucking sense. I don't know. I'm Googling it. Okay, well, yeah. Okay. My naughty is seagulls and birds in general. That's how we're doing it. And birds in general. Okay. Well, do you want me to give you my naughty while you're doing that? Birds can talk because of a unique combination of specialized vocal organ and high developed brain structure that a lot of them hear and mimic sounds. So they can't just like be talking on their own, but they can repeat what we're saying. Which is insane though. I know. Because they can pronounce everything so well. Yeah, but I feel like the brain behind it though, like Yeah, because sometimes they'll say things in the right context. I'm like, Well, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

I'm like, wait. Why are they adding to my conversation right now?

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Do you ever okay, do you ever like when wish that do you ever uh Do you ever think I don't know how to word this? Like you kind of can't wait to die because are you okay? No, no, no, no, no, suicidal. You can't wait to die because you can't wait to see all the secrets of the universe. I've never once thought of it.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

How did we get here from pigeons? I've never once thought that in my life. How did we get here? I feel like that all the time. The secrets of the universe is the only sentence I've ever thought of. Not once unlock the key. Are you serious? No. Are you serious? Wait, so when we die, they're like here's the book of the universe.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Like No, but it's like you're you just Oh, like there's things that we can't see in other words.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

The fabric of the universe is unraveling at my fingertips.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Okay, like think about it like this. Like, there's colors that we can't see. And we would never know that they exist. That's just because our eyes are. Like there's like like the spiritual world. Of course. Like we can't see. On a spiritual level, yeah. And you know what though? I kind of like there being a mystery to it. Yeah. I don't really feel like I need to know that. I want to know though. Oh, okay. Well maybe you. And eventually. I'm patient though. I don't want to die right now. Oh, good. It's like it's like with seeing ghosts. They say you'll never see a ghost if you're not ready for it. So like I will never see a ghost because I'd never sleep again. So, like, for you, like me, I'd probably never figure out the secrets of the universe because I'm too scared. It's not your time yet. Or like you might you might hear about the secrets of the universe. Well, I'll hear things and I'm like, yeah, that's right. Why is this making me just like feel think about Moana? Wait. I see what's happening here. Just think about the rock and the secret universe. But face to face with great. But like the like space. Space, I don't want to know anything about it. I want nothing to do with that. I want to know everything. Oh, okay. Everything that there is. About the universe? About aliens. About UFO sections. The secrets of the universe. See, they're like declassified things because Trump wants it to like be out or whatever. So they've like released a bunch of like videos about UFO sightings. I'm like, is this real? Who fucking knows? I don't know. You know, there's a lot of stuff out there, but like at the same time, we have enough shit going on in this earth that like I'm not really too concerned about. There's a lot going on. Because it would take you millions of fucking years to get to different planets. Like that should fly. I can barely handle a three-hour drive to Vermont. Like, I'm not sure. I'm not going. Yeah, like I am fine right here. Yeah. There's no planet B. There's no planet B for me. This is it. This is what I go.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Because the alien thing, I'm like, are they out there? I think I think it would be crazy not to think that we're the only things living in the universe.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

At the end of the day, I think that's it's beyond our control. Like, what do you want me to do about it? Right. There's a UFO. That's awesome. We're also here randomly. They're out there, rent okay. Literally, like, how did we get it? Literally, what do you want me to do about it? I have an ice cream sandwich I need to order in about 45 minutes. I'm not really concerned about the aliens landing. That's why the whole floating rock argument is like, well, yeah, we're on a f floating rock, but there's shit that needs to get done. I have an ice cream sandwich I need to order. Yeah, that's right. I have a credit card bill I have to pay with all. Oh, don't even say that to me. I'd rather worry about the aliens at that point. I hate a credit card bow. Aliens over credit cards. Wait, that's that's my naughty. Oh. A credit card bow. So your naughty was that you can say my naughty universe. Oh my god. Actually, the secrets of the universe is my haughty. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because she wants that. My naughty is being disappointed when someone hyping up. Oh, lobster roll. Lobster roll again. Yeah, lobster roll. I don't like lobster. And like my cousin loves this place up here in Maine that like he says makes the best lobster rolls. I finally tried it and it was like I don't like lobster in general, but this one was like so bad. She wants to like lobster. I want to like it so bad because it looks good. But it it's just not it's not good. It is good, guys. It's not fucking good. Okay, the call can't get behind it, and they're like trying to critique this lobster roll, and I'm like, just say you don't fucking like it. We're like, it needs like one piece of lobster. We're like it's a really good lobster roll, and you guys just don't have the palate for it. That's all you know. No, I want to like it's lathered in the butter. Butter.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

It's lathered in the butter like why wouldn't I like it?

SPEAKER_01 23:10

But that's how I feel. And I don't know, something about it just looks good, but the texture. Okay the taste, I don't know. I like barely taste. I don't know how to help you. I feel helpless. I took like two bites and I was like, it is really good, and you guys just don't like it, and I don't know what to do about it. I don't know either because Well, the thing is okay, I I don't like being disappointed when something someone hypes something up because I don't want to be able to do it. And then I feel bad for telling them to like it. Because I'm like so excited, I'm like, oh my god. It's like when someone recommends a book and you end up hating it. Yeah. Like, do I pretend that I really loved it? No, because when I recommend a book and someone doesn't like it, I'm like, you didn't even try. You don't even try to like it the way I like it. I hate that. Then like I'm disappointed. Then we're all disappointed. I wasted your time. Right. So true. Because you didn't like it, and I thought you would. Yeah. Damn. I feel like I feel like you will. I feel like it's like wine. Like, you're gonna come around to lobster roll. I know it. I want to. I really want to. I think you would. And I'm gonna keep trying them until Okay. There you go. It's an expensive hobby, but I'm in it. Yeah, jeez. Yeah. I'm like, no, that's terrible. I'm like, give it to me. I'll finish it. Yeah. Okay, well, my naughty is breaking a nail when you don't have a nail file anywhere near you. Yep. I hate that. When it's getting caught and it's like, it's like jagged as fuck, and it's like scratching. Just just I'm cutting my whole hand off. We're done. Or if you like get home and you are around a nail file and you forget, and then you go somewhere else and you're like right there. No, I hate it. It's like a sensory thing too. It's like getting caught on like clothes in your hair. That the hair is actually the worst. The thought of that is like when your nails are going out and they're catch-catching like on the gem. The edges on like the bottom, too. Like if it lifts. Oh hell no. Yeah, when it's lifting and you like can't wash your hair. Or you can't even like scratch it. Like, because I'm good enough because it's bending. No, I'm pissed. No, I'm pissed. Wait, also my naughty is burning my lips because my lips are in hell right now. That's like probably the worst burn besides a scalp. Yeah. The scalp is the scalp is the worst because then you start getting dandruffs. That when the burn hits it, it's just burning your head. And you're trying to brush your hair and it's like the worst feels like it's realizing. You just go straight forward and you're like, Yeah. Yeah. Or you get under the hot water and you're like, oh no. It was literally me. Oh no. Literally me today. Hey, I literally offered you. I wasn't gonna bring it up because she's like, I told you so! I offered it! And I was putting in my hair. I said, Do you want some? And she said, No. And I said, No, I don't give a damn. Okay. You didn't offer me any. You were already gone, but I brought it to the beach.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

No, it was when we went to um Oh wait. No, it was to the beach, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Yeah. And I said I didn't, I don't think it got burnt this time. Luckily. I don't know. I think it was pickled. Honestly, half the time it just burns, anyways. I think I know. Like this. Those were some interesting topics. I know. We went from Seagulls to the secret of the universe. So back to hangnails. Yeah. Honestly, it makes sense. Birds are creepy. I have a really topic. I have a really topic. I have a topic that we seriously need to discuss. Yes. That was brought to my attention by someone I love dearly. I'm so cute. You know what? It's a hard logic. Oh my god. Let's get our time.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

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SPEAKER_01 26:31

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SPEAKER_00 27:04

We have no to decide.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

No, well okay. Someone wrote to me asking about our thoughts on a guy wanting to eat you out after you're at the bar. And here's here are my two thoughts about that question. Okay. Number one. You've just been to the bar, you've been sweating in your jeans, you've been using bar toilet paper on the coochie. Number two, the man has been drinking beer for hours. Oh breath is nasty. Yeast. So what is like the protocol of leaving the bar and getting freaky with it? I think cleanliness. There's other things. Well, I think there's like a freshen up. Like I'll be right back. And like go to the bathroom. What if you're at his house? Yeah, but how do you tell him to like use some of the things? Yeah, can you like brush your teeth? Because you're gonna give me a yeast infection. Right. It's a serious question because like people do this all the time. Like, are you just are you just going into it thinking I might get a yeast infection or an orgasm? I don't think I don't think I would risk that.

unknown 28:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Honestly. If you weren't drinking, I don't know if I would. See, but that's the other thing. If you're like having a buzz, you're not even thinking about that. I don't think so. I'm not thinking about what's happening. No, that's true. That's true. I feel like I don't even know how to answer that. Like, I don't know what I would do. Or you know what I think.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Get a number first.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Okay, no, that's not a serious question. Like, I think maybe you start by like let's let's suggest we both take a shower together. Let's get in the mood and we'll both clean it up. Because honestly, I want to shower after the bar anyways. Yeah. I feel like that's the whole thing. Like, let's do that together. Right. Right. Oh, is the idea as it's like setting the mood. But also having like doing anything after I shower is like I feel dirty again. Now I'm dirty and I need to shower again. Yeah. Thanks a lot. So I thanks a lot. But also you only live once. But you know what? I agree. Like they got meds for that. Yeah, that's not gonna last forever.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

No. So you're a little itchy.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

We get bug bites all the time.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

You're fine.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

If a man's on the route and you're into him, take the offer.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Go out of a cranberry case. Go on a little cranberry juice.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Wait, yeah, at the bar, just drink cranberry vodka's odlin. See, I just literally or like a sex on the beach, a little pineapple juice. Yes, good idea. Yeah. Can I have a vodka cran pineapple? Let's just cover everything. Sad that we have to think about this because guys don't care. They don't really know they're not thinking about it. They're just throwing back the beers and trusting. Because everything's on the outside of the box. It does affect something. Yeah. It does affect uh work sometimes. The performance of it. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I would probably avoid doing that.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

When you put it that way, I might not want to do that. Yeah. Be like, you know what? That didn't even cross my mind. Like no one's going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Honestly, it didn't cross my mind. But then when like I got home from the bar last night and I was like, oh, I feel disgusting. And she had sent me this like a few days ago, and I was like, wait, really good question. I'm definitely bringing it back to the body.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Yeah, but like that puts into my chicken nugget time and my heated rivalry.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

I'm rivalry. So we're gonna do this. I don't know. Drunk enough to be thinking about your vagina. Or let's be drunk. I was gonna say, if I was drunk, I wouldn't be thinking about your vagina. Sober enough to think about your vagina. No. I feel like just said that. Or at least yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think. I think you're thinking about it next day, I guess. I don't know. We're thinking about it now. That's the question. You know about this now. And if a man were to come up to you.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

I feel like I want you to.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Wait, what do you mean? Like now this question has been posed in your head. A man comes up to you tonight at the bar and says, I want to give a damn if you have a giant me out tonight. He's either. No, it doesn't eat. Honestly, the second alcohol enters my body, it's seeping out of my pores. Like my pussy is hot. Like everything is sweating. It's like it's warm down there. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Nothing is like nothing's super clean. Well, like the second alcohol enters my body, like I'm feeling dirty. Like even now, I've already showered. Like you've already committed to the dirty, but I can still feel it seeping out of me. Yeah. I say just fuck. I say just yeah, I swear. Just do it. If we're gonna be honest, it's not my mouth. It really doesn't matter that much. It's my vagina, but like it's his mouth that's gonna be Daldo's not my really my problem. That's really it's more his mouth thinking. Yeah. His mouth. His mouth needs to be cleaned. Yeah, no, yeah, like throw him some mouthwash first.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

You take a shower. Let's bring crazy idea. Let's put our toothbrushes in here.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Crazy. I think that would be really hard. Hey, let's both brush our teeth. Can I brush your teeth? No, let me hold it. Two toothbrushes. Do not two different toothbrushes. Not when it's stranger, we're not sharing. No way. Not with anyone. Oh hell. But we don't need that. There we go. Oh god. Ari told us this crazy story this morning. Oh my god. Can we get into that? And I think she needs to elaborate. Oh my god. Okay, so my uncle, shout out to him. He is a hairdresser, and so he's very close. Like he's had his clients for like years at this point. Um, and so one of his clients is older, and so before she passed away, she was like, When in my will, it says, You will do my hair, like when I pass away. That's very kind of her. Honestly, like kind of him, really. Well, yeah, like he's been doing her hair for years, and he's like, I would do that for you. Which is so nice. That's really sweet. It's very sweet to have that relationship, like in general. But then, so she had passed away, and so he went to do her hair. And so she's dead. She has passed. Okay. Yes, she has passed. And so he goes to like, you know, like the morgue? The funeral home. The funeral home, like basically where they like. Basically where they like prepare the body, like you know, and so he goes to like get a haircut, and you know, he's like, Hey Mary, what's up? Like, hey girl. And you have to talk. Oh, that would make me so sad. So like he's just, you know, because that's like probably what she would have wanted. And so he's like doing her hair, and he's like, How do I get the back of her head? Because like she's he's not like Valentine's giving her a cut. Literally cutting her hair. Which honestly is crazy that in her will she said, I want a fresh cut. Yeah, I never would have thought that. That's pretty slick. Never would have thought. I mean, eat that up, girl, but like I'm not worried about it.

unknown 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

You're not worried about a haircut. Look your best. Yeah, I mean, that was that was how it was supposed to die. This is what I look like. This is what it looked like. So he's like doing her hair, like trim it up, and he's like, How do I fucking get the back of her head? Right. And so he's like asking the guys there. She in her own casket that she's gonna be buried in. Like he's getting hair clippings all in her casket. I know, like those things are expensive. They say they're just gonna lint roll her after. That's fucking roll. They said they're gonna take a vacuum. They're gonna vacuum her. Oh. The hell poor thing. That's just weird as hell. Like, that's weird. That is weird. And then so he's like still like how but how am I getting the back of her head? He's like, oh, like you just do like the presentation. Yeah, they're like you don't.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

You don't.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

So my uncle's like, I'm giving her a fuck-ass mullet. Like married with a mullet in the front. Married with a mullet.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

His grandmother never once had a mullet in her life.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

She's yeah, she's a fuck-ass mullet. She might hunt your pull of Derek and cut it. Because he didn't want that. No. He was trying to do it. Like, he's like, do I flip her?

unknown 35:27

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Right? Right. Like it can't take that long. That kind of makes me want to. I know. I mean, like, that's that is weird. Hold the head up. So more. We need to get haircuts all of the time to make sure we don't have a mullet when we're buried. Yeah, more of the story. He's like, I would rather just not get my hair cut than risk being buried in the world. Dude, I don't think I would care. Like, I'm learning the secrets of the universe. I don't care about a mullet. I'm not too worried about my mullet. That's what the universe wants to be mullet to the next live. And you know what? Everything happens for a reason. Maybe she's. She's like, fuck you. She comes back as a mullet. Maybe she's being maybe she's being incarnated as like a rock star. Oh my god. She's gonna come back like with a mullet. The next rock star. Yeah. Like she's gonna be wow. With the fuck out smoke. The next time I see a rock star with a mullet, I'm gonna be like, oh my god, it's Mary. Mary's a hair doing here. Holy fuck. I'm dead. But I I I think I would be pissed. If I got a mullet. You're watching from beyond the grave and you're like, are you okay? Get the fucking back of my head.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Like, that is ideal.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

All I'm picturing though is like she's laying down, so like it's gotta be a mess back there. Right. And then the front is just like I would honestly rather you just leave it all messy. Right. Just putting it. Yeah. Just like the back. Or like have have a trusted person come and lift my head up so you can brush it. I know. Right. Like brush the. I feel like they could have like put something underneath her so that she was like leaning up like this a little bit. Or like off the table. Right, exactly. Oh god. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

That's crazy. I you know, so like her hair's just like her head's still on the table below.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Right. Like when you're washing your hair in the sink and you're lit. Yeah. Yeah, like that type of vibe. Like her head's not like down, down. Right. Like her head's not dangling, like it's a little bit. Well, like a little bit. Oh, just the hair is like. How are they holding it up? It's like I don't fucking know actually. This is making me nauseous. Okay, I I have I have another thing we can talk about. Rest in peace, Mary. So I've been watching. Shout out, Mary. Mary with a mullet. I've been watching a lot of reality and dating shows recently. And I have a lot of questions about it. Okay. As somebody who has applied for Love is Blind and has been slightly recruited and then ghosted. Guys, Kara things that I need to talk about. Um mention that real quick. Someone was recruiting Kara for Love Island and she didn't know if she wanted to. It was not Love is Blind. Not Love is Blind. No, Love Island. Love Island. This is crazy. And she gets a text. She was like, I'm not doing that. I was like, are you insane? You are answering that lady right now. Well, I kind of thought it was like fake. Yeah. I applied like two years ago and she left me a voicemail and was like, like we saw your application from like a few years ago. Like, we're interested in blah blah blah. And I was like, Oh my god. Wait, really? We were in Europe at the time. Yeah, we were in Europe. And so like the time difference is obviously crazy. And like I was trying to She would take like a week to answer me. I'm like, you're the worst recruiter of all time. And I like looked into her and she like actually is the recruiter for a long time. Yeah, she's like verified on Instagram. So I don't know whatever happened with that, but like if the we'll You should reach back out. Hey, are you guys still doing another season? Like, I'm down. Literally, they're doing it in South Africa this season. Are you at a time? Like you could have fucking gone there. Fuck! I could have saw the show. I would have had like the best time throwing watch parties to watch. Wait, I would have had FOMO not being at the watch parties. Or I could do watch parties when I get back so I can watch too. Honestly, you film it so much earlier. Like they don't film it in post in real time, right? I think they do. Oh shit. Yeah, because they release it like real time. Oh shit. Okay. Right. I know. They're working over. Usually they film it and edit everything and then like other dating shows. But like Lost Island, like you vote for them like in real time. Oh shit. Yeah, I'm falling. Like America's against you or they're with you. Oh shit. I know. Okay, well, here are some of the questions that I have as a normal human, like before going into a dating show.

unknown 39:36

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Oh, oh, oh. I was like, I don't even know. You're like, what are my notes saying? I said, why does no one ever blush? Like everybody, like nobody's ever like flushed. No one's ever like otherwise shutting talking to them. Like my face would be red 24-7 talking to like these hot guys that are like trying to flirt with me. Like, and then I say something, like I would be like, I know because I always get like stuck. Like none of us are like, I don't know what to say. I have no words in there. Nobody's ever blushing. Really? No one ever looks flustered to me. Maybe they just have a lot of makeup on. Can you see a blush through your makeup? I think if you're red enough, you can see it everywhere. I feel like when I get nerfed, like embarrassed or something, like I turn red. My face turns red. Yeah. I feel like I guess you have to go into it pretty confident, but like sometimes you can't control a blush. Like if somebody says something to you and you're like, oh my gosh. I know. Yeah, I know. I feel like you don't have to be fine. I've never seen like the live flirt. Like the like the the receiving end of that. Right. Like of like being like, I don't know how to handle this. Yeah, or people being like awkward. Yeah, like the awkwardness of it. I guess there's some awkward moments, but never, I don't think I've like seen that when sporadics are. Dating is also awkward in general. Like I can't imagine watching somebody I know do it. I know. It's like the same. The other one I wrote was everyone's making out and then they just like go about their day. Like they make out for like a couple minutes, and it's like, well, if you have a boner and she's soaking wet now, like, and you're just gonna get up and go about your day. Like, go to the bathroom. Like, what do you mean you're just gonna go walk over and hang out with your friends? Yeah, and pretend it's like. And also, everyone just watched them make out. Right. And everyone's pretending like it didn't happen. Like it's it's a super straight. Or like, wait, my match just made out with my best friend. Yeah, no, because I'd be pissed. I'd be like, I'm depressed. I know. No, like because I get like so not like jealous, but I'm like, that was fucked up. Like, what is mine? For whatever. Yeah. It's like them choosing another person over you. It's like that's fucked up. Yeah. It hurts. It's fucked up. Yeah, that shit hurts. That shit hurts. No, it does. I agree. Okay. Another one I have is like, what are the qualifications for getting on these shows? Like, are they picking people who are like big butt, problematic? Yeah. But like, how do they know that going into it? Like, are you have to be active on social media? Well, probably. I feel like a lot of people have a decent amount of followers already now. But like on real people who want to do it. I know. But they are trying to fill certain criteria. They want the bubbly blind. They want like the stupid girl. Like they want an athletic. That's so true. They like a stupid man. Like, or they want to be a big one. And they want an asshole. They want a narcissistic person. Like, there's all different criteria. Like, they want someone who's drives with everyone. Or they want like the biggest mom show. Yeah. There must be like serious interviews. Cause like, how do you even know? I want to processes like same. Because this recruiter later does not seem thorough at all. No, she if she was real. I think she was. But there's a lot of people. Yeah. It seemed real to me. Thanks. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

I keep saying that.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

What if they like just called you up to be a bombshell? Be their influencer pick. That'd be nice. Like you'd probably be a bombshell. Dude, I would love to be a bombshell, but like also being like the beginning group is like fun, the core group. Yeah. But like if you're a bombshell early on, then you're like fine. But if you're basically later in the show, you're like, and like friendships have already been like everybody doesn't like you because like now the guy that you're competition. Yeah. And you like low PR because you have to insert yourself. Right, and some of the guys are already locked down. Yeah. Locked down. Locked down. I know. They're not. They never have been. Okay. I have two other questions. Well, this one's more of a comment. There's never any lamps. There's only overhead lights in the bedrooms. I couldn't, I couldn't. I feel like lamps provide enough lighting. But they're like, they put them to bed. They just put lights off. And they wake you up by turning them off. At like 6 a.m. Oh my god. They wake you up with fluorescent lighting. Like actually do that like for the camera purposes. But it's like ruining the fucking vibe. Yeah, they have a nice thing. Yeah, this is not my vibe. We don't want like night vision view. Like, no, I don't need to see them fucking canoodling in bed like. Yeah, we just in a room full of other people. Yeah. Like you're just being rude. Also, the showers. Like, I don't know if I could be on that show because you get no fucking privacy unless you're like, what is literally the point of that? What is the point of showers like their feet in their head? Why do I need to see that? I don't know. I swear. Cause these producers are perverts. They want to see people fucking in the shower. I think it's I was watching Perfect Match recently, and there is like because they have cameras in the rooms, and like these two, this couple like went and showered together and came back out, and she was like naked, and they like covered up like her body, but she's like walking out in the room naked. I'm like, they have footage of this. Yeah, it's like you don't know. Like they must have a big team that watches all this footage. You don't know whose hands that's getting into. I know. Like, dude, I wouldn't have to be like, we're all naked and they're all like fucking moaning and shit on TV. I'm like, Did your mother not my mother would watch this? Okay, yeah, literally. That poses the other question. Like, it like what kind of dating show, like what? I can't, like, I'm saying like your parents, like your family members could like have access to that show. Yeah. Like, would you go on a TV? Yeah, like you're walking out naked and your parents are watching like family members. Here's the thing if I if I had the opportunity, I would say yes, just because how could you not? You're an adult, like I think you're just for the plot. Your family, if they're watching it, like they know what could happen on the show. Like I think uh I would definitely be careful. Like, I don't I wouldn't be walking around naked or no, yeah, and you have to obviously I feel like there were the discretion a little bit, but like half the time these challenges, like you have to kiss every single person in here. It's like dad's. And you have to like dry hump people. Yeah, everyone's dry humping everyone. I love the first few seasons of Love Island were like top tier because it was like kiss the people that you have connections with. And then like the one of the more recent seasons, like the show walks in, everyone has blindfolds on, and she goes and kisses everyone. It's like nobody even knows who you are. Like that is so weird. That's crazy weird. You got balls. You don't also know where people's mouths have been. All of these people have kissed everyone. Or if they have hurt bees beforehand, they must tell you. Yeah, they must have to. Actually, yeah, yeah, because it is it's illegal to not tell people. Yeah. So PSA. PSA. My last one is no one ever has fucking razor burn on their bikini line. I'm a victim of razor burn. Yeah. And everybody always is perfectly smart. Razor burn or like um what's it called? Ingrown hairs. I bet all of these women have money for laser or waxing. Do they though? You have to take out a loan to go on a dating show and hope that you can become an influencer after. Yeah. I know. Wait, also, sorry. No, no, no. No, no, no. You go. I was done. Also, being uh either on your period or in your luteal phase and having to put a bikini on. Everyone's everyone's dying. Kara's burning all of them. Yeah. Oh my god. No, I didn't even think of that. Legum. I would be scared that my tampon's your diva cup. I'm like, I'm like, don't come in my shower. I'm pulling my diva cup out and I'm pouring it on the grass.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

Blood everywhere in the shower.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

No, like it's these are actually things that we need to talk about. Because like how I don't want to put a bikini on and get in front of a thousand cameras if I'm in my luteal phase. Right. Ooh. Hmm. You gotta really think about that. I don't want to do that. Then you need to like have like cute cover-ups ready. Mm-hmm. That's so true. Or like a cute like one piece or something. Right. Yeah, you really have to think about that. They are not worried about tan lines when they go on these shows either, by the way. They're wearing weird ass. I'm like, what? You're in Mexico. Go lay out. They're like Mexica. They're like full beat at 8 a.m. Full shade. Babe, put that hair up in a fucking slick ass bun. Yeah, yeah. I would not be putting founding foundation on and then going out to sit in the sun. Are you out of your mind? How do they not break out? Like crazy. T-shirt off, nothing else. They've deodorant maybe. And they're over in the gym like this. Yeah. And they still can't be bothered to make the girls' breakfast. Someone. When they make two girls' breakfast, you're like, fuck you. Like, I actually wish you just didn't do that. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so I've just been thinking about these dating shows because it's like, oh my god. There's a lot of things that go into it. You're like, there's so much. I really can someone recruit Kara because We need to know the answer. I really, yeah, I want it. If we're gonna be honest, if I were to go on a dating show, I'm bringing my camera and I'm vlogging the whole thing. Can you do that? I don't know, but I would. I'm posting behind the scenes. Yes. Actually, I think you can because they take off the phone. No, I would bring my camera only. You can't bring your phone. They give you like Yeah, you definitely can't have your phone. Like Google ass phones to take pictures. Yeah. Google ass phones. Yeah, and you can't text anyone. Like they have no idea what's going on outside. Like they have phones. Oh. Yeah. Wait, the best. Did you watch like last season of Love Island? There was like this couple in Huda was like who that is. Okay, she was like the worst, and she and Jeremiah were like together. And then the like everyone voted to split them apart, and they were so confused because they thought they were like the people. They thought they were gonna win. Everyone said, They thought they were gonna win. Rid of these people. That was like so satisfying to me because I hated them. Imagine I get a villain at it. What do we do then? Dude, I I would be making posts like this is not right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Justice Ricara. Justice Ricardo. Me speaking my mind. I'm gonna have to be careful. Well, if Huda couldn't could come back from the villain. People made her people didn't think she was a villain. She was a villain for me, but Well, at first everyone hated her. And then somehow she manipulated the whole world. You guys are idiots. And yeah, I'm talking to you into thinking that she wasn't a villain. I was like, you guys are stupid. She's in the all loved her after. No. I don't know. I don't know who I would be on the show. I feel like I would be like No, I feel like you're the one who everyone likes. Yeah? Everyone wants to be differently. I feel like I would be like, and you're such a girls' girl too. Well, that's what I feel like. I feel like all the girls would want to be friends with you. Okay, and all the guys would want to get with you. Okay, but if some of them was perfect situation. But if somebody like Huda was on my season, I would have a hard time not cussing her out to be like, you need to fucking get a grip. We've been here for four days. No, but I feel like you're the being ridiculous. Like you're an eye personally. I always love the girls that are like that on my show. Yeah. Like I feel like I didn't watch that season, but Leah, I feel like, was like that. Yeah. Like she was such a girl's girl, but if you cross anyone, she was like calling you down. Yeah. But you need that. You do.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Like you need to know when you do a wrong thing. You do. I agree. Because how are you supposed to learn?

SPEAKER_01 51:03

No, because I feel like that's wrong. Right. Yeah. I feel like everybody enabled Huda. And nobody actually like stood ten toes down, like telling her that she's wrong. I would have had a really hard time like looking in our eyes and that's what I'm saying. Like I I have a bad like my face tells all. So if I'm sitting here and you're telling me something I don't like you, I'm like, I I think you're wrong. Like you can't you can't sit here and talk to me about it because I'm just not gonna believe you. That's why you're not gonna be so good on this show. I'd be like, the confessionals would be the best part. I'd be like, dude. Yeah. And I'm just trying to have a makeout session. I don't know what we're doing here. She's trying to steal my man, but she's also claiming she's in love with Jeremy. How can I get on Love Island UK actually? I want to be with you. Can you do that? No, probably not, but they all sell British people onto the US one, so I don't know how it works. I think they probably live. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 51:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

Anyway, should we get to our questions? Yeah, we should. Okay, great. Okay, let's talk it over. Is closure real or overrated? Oh, I love this question. This is a good question. This was a great question. What did you guys say? I think it's overrated personally. What did you say? I think I said I think I said closure. Like I like it. I think it's like you think it's real? Yeah. Yeah. Because I've I've experienced that. Okay. But there's also times where like they want it, and I'm like, there's nothing to fucking have closure on. Okay, wait, I actually said a lot about that. I feel like that's my question. Is the closure that you're experiencing when you're talking to somebody and you get closure? In the talking stage, I don't feel like there's fucking closure needed. Okay. I feel like when it's relationship-based and things end, I think it's nice to have closure being like, this is why like this is how it is. Yeah. Because like I've had And having a sit-down conversation about it. I don't like I've had over text or whatever. Okay. But like I feel like I feel like closure comes in di it looks different. Yeah, I think so. Like, even like I felt like my closure was like we like ended things and he moved, and then like we like said happy birthday to each other like that following year.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

I was like, you know what? That was nice. You know, things didn't end as bad as I thought or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Okay, so that was closure for you. Like, I feel like that kind of felt like closure to me.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

You know, like closure of like a chapter. That was my closure. Exactly. Is it like sitting down and having closure, or is it like something happens and you're like, okay, I feel like that chapter is done. I feel like closure is like knowing the chapter is moving. Okay, well then I believe in closure in that way because I I do too. Yeah. What did you vote? Closure is uh no, I said it was overrated because I've experienced trying to get closure by sitting down and talking to someone. And I don't think I don't think that's possible. I don't think so. I think as long as they're still like in your life, you're not gonna get it. Yeah. No. You know, like I feel like after I ended things with like my long-term relationship, like I felt like a lot, obviously a lot of emotions. And I felt like I knew it was done, but like I still felt like lingering, whatever, and then like down the road, you kind of just feel like it happened for a reason. Like I feel good that it's over, like I've moved on, and whatever. Like, and I'm not sure. It's more like an internal closure. Yeah, I think it's like a personal journey rather than something that you do with somebody else. Like, exactly. I think so too. Because I think the conversation of closure is like, what the fuck are we talking about? Like, yeah, we're not. Yeah, it's like you're beating a dead horse and there's there's nothing. What are they gonna say that makes me feel any different than I feel right now? Right. Like closure is like the action of like being okay afterwards, right? Like, that's like what it is because when people try and have closure, it's like, what are we trying to gain from this? Yeah, I think I think if you're and that part pisses me off. Yeah, I think if you're trying to get closure from somebody directly, it's just you not being able to let go quite yet. Yeah. And you just want to like talk to them and hope something changes and it's not gonna Because I've had that they're being like, oh, like are we gonna talk about it? I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Like, we're not gonna talk about it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Because it's over.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

Well, I've experienced like with friendships, like never getting closure on like what actually happened. That's it. And like that's just something that's like I just have to live with. Right. I feel like in a way, that's closure that I've just like accepted it. But like, you just some things you just never see acceptance of what happened. Yeah, I think it's just like accepting it. I I agree. So we had some people write it on TikTok. We had one person who totally agrees with us, and they said, You can get closure from yourself, external closure is extremely overrated. And that's exactly what we're saying. Yes. Somebody else said, definitely overrated. I think in certain situations where it's obvious that reconciliation is not possible. Searching for closure, closure can do more harm than good, which I feel like we were also just saying. I'm pro, leave them the fuck alone and move on for the better. Yeah. Some things are left best unsaid, and there's no need to rack your brain about a situation. A lot of people are incapable of realizing the hurt they cause. So honestly, just remember that your feelings are valid, but there's no need to end things on a perfect note. That's when I agree with that. I'm not trying to be friends with my friends. No, I agree with that too. I don't think you should be friends with your for a reason. Right. Well, I agree with that that some people like you might want to them to finally see like how they treated you. They're never going to was wrong, but they're not going to. And you can't look for closure in that. But like, how is that gonna help you? Yeah. Hey, you can't do it. You just have to be like, I know what I did. I know that you were a fuck ass idiot. Yeah, like we all know that. I know that. My friends all know that. I don't need you to know that. Right. Everyone else does. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I just feel like it's like when you internally Can you put the microphone to your mouth? Thank you. Like they can't hear you. It's like when you internally realize that like you're okay from that whole situation. Right. Yeah, it's perfectly journey. Yeah. It's more personally, it's more yourself than it is the person involved in the situation. Like you don't really need another person to have closure. Yeah. No, I think if you're relying on another person for closure, you're not gonna get it. Like closure is very one-sided because like the other person doesn't need to have closure. Which I feel like if you have it, yeah. Which I feel like is not like how it's thought of. Yeah. Closure is like, oh, together. Closure to each person. Closure with somebody something you decide on together, and it's not. No, because we don't even agree on staying together. We're not agreeing on other ends. No, like you're not like, oh, I've healed this quick. And also, like, yeah, like I don't care at this point. Oh, I don't yeah. Okay. We have one more comment. They said very real and not overrated. I'm at peace. Only took five years and a long healing journey, but it's real. And then they replied to their own thing and said, Closure doesn't always come from interacting with a person or event or person or event again. Sometimes it just means distancing yourself, coming to terms with your experiences, surrounding yourself with good people, embedding yourself, etc. I haven't spoken to that person. I haven't spoken to the person that made me want closure, and I will still be able to find out my own. Which I think is exactly what we've been talking about. I think so too. Yeah. Love. I think it's almost like grief where it's like if someone like dies, it's like you can't go back and talk to that person and it might l like linger forever. Right. It might but like you still get closure. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's true. Because you can be happy that it happened and you know, still feel you know, sad about a certain situation. But like you can't just be suffering forever. Like closure is not always good like it's not always like in a good way, like that you feel good with it. Like sometimes it is the act of the thing. I think a lot of times you don't. Yeah. Like, you know, like especially like if someone passed away, like you might have not ended on good terms, or you uh you know, it not right have been like this perfect situation, but it's like when you come to terms with like that's how it happened, and like this is how I continue on, right? Like from that. So like I don't think it's always like a perfect situation where like I feel better about this. Yeah, and it's not like I know how to live with this. Yeah, yeah. I think some days also you might feel like okay, I'm okay with this situation, and then the next week you'll be like, wait. Healing is not linear. Yeah, it does. It'll come back and bite you in the ass. Yeah. And there are like random things that like make you like remind you of things, even like years down the road. That's like it could be four years down the road, and you see something and you're like, oh yeah, like we used to do whatever. And like that's okay, but it's a point. And that's kind of why I said it's overrated, because I don't think at any chapter in your life is ever really closed.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Because I don't really believe in like regret.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

But like I know, I know it still happens. Oh, it still totally regret and stuff. Yeah, like there's no really like regret. Regret what you don't want, it's learning from it. Like mistakes are part of that, like misdirection, like all that stuff. Like it all brings you to the right. It's hard. I don't really believe in regret because like there's things in my life that happen, and like, do I wish they didn't? Yeah, but like I'm glad they did because look at it all happen again. It's hard to regret when like you're working with what you know at that time. So, like, obviously, in hindsight, you might do something differently, but like that's the whole point is that you're learning from it. Like, how is I supposed to know that I shouldn't stay with this person because of X, Y, and Z? Yeah, like if I didn't stay with them, I wouldn't know that for the next year. You always talk about that of like being in the moment, it's hard to realize like people. Because you don't have the knowledge back and you're like, that's kind of weird, but that's the whole point. But you don't realize that when you're in it. Hindsight is 2020. Okay, let's read some of our um I think a few people wrote in on Instagram. Should I say the percentages? Oh, yes, okay. So 59% said it's real and 41% said it's overrated. I hope, yeah. I guess it all just depends on like your classification of closure. Right, exactly. Like, do you consider it like chatting with somebody or do you consider it internally internal? I was like, what are we talking about? I gotcha. Thank you. I'm following. Okay, so someone said I think closure is definitely real, but can be external or internal, but nonetheless, necessary step. I love people's thought processes on that. Yeah, me too. Because like when I think of closure, I immediately thought of like relationship based and like having a conversation. And that's why I sit overated after like talking. I'm like, wait, it's like your own like it's your own depiction of closure. I agree. Like, who else?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

Um we had what did they say?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

Oh, someone else said literally just got closure with an ex from 13 years ago and it healed a piece of me for real lol. That is crazy. Could you imagine your ex coming back 13 years later to chat with I don't even remember what happened. Yeah. No, but on the other hand, sometimes yeah. Because you have space from the situation. You're not thinking about like remember that one time you left that dish out or whatever. But like, how is that gonna like I've already I've already lived for a decade and a half longer? Like, what why do I need closure from that? Right. I feel like sometimes it can offer like a new perspective though. Like if you come back and like, I guess it also depends on what happened. Like, was it traumatizing? Like, did something happen when you guys were together, whatever? Well, honestly, it could have been like they weren't even like talking about the situation. It was just a like what if they happen to bump into each other and had a nice conversation? And you were like, I feel like that's a form of closure. I'm being like, wow, like we both grew, and they're in a good place, I'm in a good place. Yeah, that's really that is closure. Like we both chose the right path, clearly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was a great yeah. Okay, I agree. Love. I agree, I agree, I agree.

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