Episode 13: AFC West Off-Season Divisional Review, featuring Dylan

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Welcome back to our off-season series! We are getting into the nitty-gritty of EACH and EVERY division. 

We welcome on our good friend and die-hard Broncos fan, Dylan Knight Weaver. 

We kick it off discussing which Quarterbacks Dylan is taking Bo Nix over (spoiler alert: he loves Bo Nix), and then we go through every team, ask some tough questions, and finish it off with our AFC West Division predictions. 

Listen for the best AFC West content you will ever get in your life, courtesy of Emma and Dylan's passion.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

Okay, welcome back. We took a little break from our divisional series because there was so much NFL news and stuff we wanted to talk about, and we were like, let's talk about the Max Crosby trade. Better than that, let's talk about the AFC West with our friend Dylan. Let's welcome Dylan on the pod. How you doing, bud?

SPEAKER_01 0:20

I'm doing great. I'm feeling great. You know, it's uh it's an honor to be here. It's just great to talk sports with my two friends, and specifically after what everything that's gone on, I'm so excited to chat, especially about the AFC West. We got some crazy moves that have had that have happened, and it's just it's gonna be an exciting year, I think. Um I know. Not so exciting so far for my Broncos, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yeah, plenty of time left. No, what a week to talk ball. A lot going on.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Truly, truly.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

You forget every year how fast it happens. Like you would the past is the past. It is now the future, baby.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah, no, but it's exciting.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Um, so Dylan, we're gonna start off with a little warm-up game for you called um This or that bonex edition. So I'm gonna say Yeah. So I'm gonna say a quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Ready.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

And you're gonna just quickly be like Bonex versus like if that's who you want, you go bonex. If not, go the other one. If you have any major thoughts, tell them. But it's like speed round. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Don't be afraid to stick to your guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

We won't be mad. Oh, no, no. I'll I'll try to be as impartial as I can, but you know, Bo's the man, so uh, it might be hard. So let's let's hear it. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

We're gonna start with you, softballs. Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

God, come on, Bo Nicks.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Michael Penix.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Uh, it's it's the tough one. Bo Nicks.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

JJ McCarthy.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Oh, God. He's you know, he's a handsome devil. He wears the number nine well, but there's a guy wearing the number 10 who's a little better. His name is Bonex, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Yeah, okay. Let's get those shitheads out of the way. CJ Stroud.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Oh man, after this season, it's Bonex all day, baby. CJ says old news. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Let's go, Jordan Love.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

I you know, I was unimpressed this year. Bo Nicks. Bo Nicks. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Jalen Hurts.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Okay, you know what? I I I don't want to I don't want to overstep my boundaries. Like, I want to give respect to the fucking Bo Nicks. What do you think about Bo Nicks? Don't play around. Don't don't play around.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

Okay, okay. Justin Herbert.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Ah, you know, he has a really, you know, he's living a good life right now. Madison Beer, like, kudos to Justin Herbert, but you know, Bo Nicks is a man of God, and he he puts God first, so I'm gonna have to go with my good old friend Bo Nix.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

I mean, if we're talking playoff games, I am with you there. Let's get into some of his draft class. Yeah, not crazy. A little crazy. Let's get into some of his draft class.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

A little crazy. A little crazy.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

Caleb Williams. Iceman Caleb Williams.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

You know, what a year for the Chicago Bears. He uh he is a great player, and he is still not as good as Bo Knicks. I will put him number two in the class. I will say. Two to Bo Nicks? I no no. I will put I will put Bo at one, Caleb at two in the class. Wow. I will say. I will say. They've been to many Super Bowls, the two of them, right? Um I don't think we should talk about that. If we want to talk about that class and Super Bowls, I don't I don't think we should bring up Drake Drake May's stats right now. I mean, I mean, yeah, but the stats in the bowl, you know, in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

The stats are fine. The eye test I'd give you.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

I mean, if we're talking if you're making a bonex argument, I don't think stats is your friend.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Who leads the his class in touchdowns and who has like there.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

We'll get to the game.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Okay, ready? Jaden Daniels.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

You know what? He had a great breakout year year, but I I'm just I'm gonna ride or die with Bonex until you give me somebody who I actually believe is I think he's proved in these two years that in this class, he's number one. I think. I think Drake and Caleb could battle it up for a second. I think there's such a strong QB class, but I I have to do that over Drake. So yeah, let's go Drake May.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Drake May or Bonex.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Okay, so so here's the thing. I I will I I think Drake May is a handsome devil. I think he's a handsome devil, really. I think he, you know, what a what a believer in God, also. He has been dating his high school sweetheart. Like that's good kudos, man. Yeah. Uh but Bonex, what a what a guy. What a guy. Bonex just a stand-up gentleman.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Well, it's not who's a better guy, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I think I think we're talking about, you know, in an all-round quarterback, I want a stand-up guy on top of an absolute baller. Um, so yeah, we're gonna go Bonix. We're gonna go Bonex. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:01

Let's do the big four and let's see how truly irrational you are. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

I think I've been very rational up to this point. Okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Okay, Joe Burrow.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Joe Burrow is better than Bonex. I'll give it to you.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Okay, yeah, that's fair. See, I have a safe take.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

I think I think we'll we'll okay, let's let's hear it.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

This one, I actually am open to argument. Lamar Jackson.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Oh, Lamar, come on. He's yeah, if you've got MVPs, I think you you're better than Bonex. I mean, my Pookie Bonix is gonna be up there pretty soon, but I think that you know, we'll we'll we'll we'll give it to Jamar. Uh yeah, we'll I mean Lamar, sorry, we'll give it to Lamar right now. Yeah. Uh Josh, I'll be courteous.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah, Josh Allen's better than Bonix.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Patrick Mahomes.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

And I'll take Patrick Mahomes. See, I think we're on her. I think here's the thing. We're on her. I think we got I think we, you know, Bonix is a big thing. I don't think we are. I think Bonix is safely a top five quarterback in this league. Should have been top five in MvP, but it's fine. I'll let it go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Well, at least we'll get some rage bait clicks. We'll tag at Drake. Yeah, however.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

That is true. That is true, yeah. No, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I I truly do believe. I I okay, maybe some of these are outrageous. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

But I truly Honestly, the only two I think were outrageous was Caleb and Drake.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

I think Moe is three in that class. Yes. I think I think that that's that's a fair assessment, but when you look at total wins in the first two seasons, you look at total touchdowns. Granted, that there have been some some bad decision making, but I'm gonna put more of that blame on on Peyton, man. Like every day of the week, I think that it is a play caller's job, and the the rift between them is really weird, and I'm it's not I don't actually think that Sean Payton is the coach to put uh Boneyx in his best situation. I think I think we're seeing a very good version of Bonex. I think with a better coach, we have an even better version of the stronger version. I think a more consistent and decisive. I think that there's just like weird play calls that lead to bad decisions. And I that's something I'm I was worried about this year, and it and he still threw all of you know what could have been a sophomore slump year. I think he was far and away a top 10 quarterback in my book, which I know metrics and lots of data goes into whatever, but I I mean he's up there in in my book at least.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

What I'd say to that is I'd give Sean Payton a lot of credit. Like, I don't know if Bonex is a first rounder if Sean Payton doesn't draft him. Like he's top maybe in the late 20s or something, but like he could have been a second round quarterback. I think that confidence, that belief has just like could really help push Bonex to be at that level with having that guy behind him. Like sure. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

But I would argue, I mean, JJ with an even better quarterback coach is struggling. And on a team that was arguably so much better two years ago. I mean, look at the Vikings. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Your offense, and you don't have many.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

We hadn't we have nothing. That's actually something I'll bring up later with the Broncos. But like we we led the leagues in in drops this this season. I mean, we we our wide receivers are so inconsistent. And I mean, we have Cortland Sutton, we have, I mean, we we made we have some good young guys. I love little Jordan Humphrey, I love Troy Franklin, like there I love Marvin Mims. Like, we have good guys, but they're young and they're not like top of the league receivers. So that's another thing you gotta remember is like Bo is is doing a lot of hard and heavy lifting. And I guess you can also shout out Sean Payton in some ways, but like I think our offense is so passive, right? I don't want to take up too much of this to come and get into it later. We'll get into the depths of it, then you were.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

I just want to ask, so is your ranking for that QB class Bo and then some combination of Caleb Drake at 2-3?

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Yeah, I think I I honestly, okay, I'll I I obviously was hype up my boy Bo. I a little bit irrationally. Sorry, I got a little emotional, you know. I'm just I it's just he's such a handsome fellow. It's just like I think that I think though that the three of them are battling it out for the one spot right now. I think because of partially personal bias, but also just total wins and touchdowns, I'm gonna I gotta put Bo first. And I know you could argue, and I think you could argue for all three of them for first place in uh like in incredibly well. All of them have a case. And I think for me it's just Bo. I think, yeah, Bo, Caleb, Drake, and I know I know he made a Super Bowl, I know he made a Super Bowl, I think he's good, but I think he was exposed. I think he was exposed in the fucking Super Bowl and I think he was exposed as a exposed as a uh schedule merchant.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I think he was I mean, I feel like Bo Nick's health was exposed. Like, I mean we'll get there, but like I would rather like I mean he played we he played every game and won 17 of them this season. Like I will say, and Bo Nick is in the hospital. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

What Bonex won how many games? 15, 16 games?

unknown 10:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

I mean, I will say, Dylan, I would cool it on the schedule talk because you know the Patriots had the easiest schedule in the last 30 years. You know who had the second easiest schedule in the last 30 years? Let's hear it. Yeah, so I would just cool it a little on the schedule talk, but I'm with you. I mean, not with anything you said, but I got you.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

I think we had stronger opponents throughout the season. I think we still beat the reigning Super Bowl champions. I think we still beat a very strong Green Bay team that was injured. And I mean, I think that here's the thing, and we we handled our business with the Chiefs when they were still pretty full strength. I think that I mean the the and we even lost two very close games to the Colts and the Chargers. There's just there's a a very reasonable chance that we go 16 and 1 in that season. If I mean it's that's you know lots of hearsay. And but also, I mean, we'll we'll get into it later, but like we did struggle a lot. I'm not gonna pretend we didn't get a lot of fucking luck in this season. Like we we got really lucky, and I think that's just a part of uh a part of football, and I guess in a way to defend the the Patriots and their easy schedule. You had the games that were given to you and you still went and won them. So I mean, as much as I will still say, Drake May is a schedule merchant, you know, yeah. Four wins last year, uh, or two years ago, I guess now, but you know. Yes, he did win 17 games and got his ass handed to him.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

So that's what I would say. I don't think you can look at the stat line of those three first two years. Because like I feel like it doesn't throw away the it was Gerard Mayo. He didn't start till week six. It was like I just Caleb had a bad coach, too. We had nothing 300 million to get guys around. Like the first year is just so different. But like if we look at this last year, we know who number one is, but we don't have to do that right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Boys, boys, um, let's do a really quick, like, two minutes before we get into the AFC West. Kyler Murray broke break news today, sign with the Vikings. Uh, Dylan, what's your take right off the bat?

SPEAKER_01 12:11

I think it's a I am actually so excited for this pairing. I think I well, I think, I don't know. I think they Kevin O'Connell has he has shown that he can take any quarterback far. I mean, he rebirthed, he rebirthed Sam Darnold. And Kirkman. Like, I and Kirk Cousins, like these are two guys that like I mean Kirk was pretty, you know, Kirk had a good, you know, beginning and beginning of his career, but then, you know, like, I mean, you look at him on the Vikings and he that's his prime. I mean, Sam Darnold starts to cook under him. Like, I will say I think this is like JJ is a failed experiment, and I I think that Murray is proven in this league. I think he has issues, but uh, I guess I'm more worried about will he be able to connect with uh J Jettis? And will that will he be able to be mobile? I don't know if that O-line's gonna be able to. I I just worry that he's gonna be pressured in the pocket a lot and will make bad decisions. And but we'll see. If he and JJ can be a good pairing, then that's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be exciting, man.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

I agree for the most part. I think I've been saying Kyler's gonna be the best free agent quarterback, I think that was available. And I think it's gonna be kind of like, what were what were the Cardinals doing? Like, I think it might look like that. I think Jonathan Gannon was maybe that bad there for three years, and like this, it might just be like, oh my god, like what happened? Kind of like Baker going to the bucks, where it's like, yeah, oh, like whoa. Um, I hope that's what we see. I think it's possible. I mean, he set the market five years ago. Kind of like he's supposed to be amazing, he's supposed to be the guy, yeah. And maybe that's gonna be a trend, is truly these 27, eight-year-olds like hitting their stride all of a sudden. So I'm excited about it. I think it's the best fit possible.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Yeah, I agree with all that. I mean, not everyone gets Andy Reid or Sean Payton their first year, you know, and I think it's gonna be good for fantasy. I think Kevin O'Connell's gonna be fun. Yeah, Kevin O'Connell's gonna use Kyler's legs. I was thinking that if JJ was the quarterback, like Justin Jefferson is like late second round pick, now it's like, oh, he'll be back up to like top five receiver.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

I still just worry with I don't know, he's he's such a mobile quarterback, but he I feel like he has issues specifically like downfield. I mean it's just it's all about I think it's all about coaching and play calling still. And like, can they just utilize his speed and JJ, you know, collectively and put it into some good plays? I don't I'm just like it it could either be really good or it'll be you know they could be a totally you know nine and eight team again. I think it'll be close.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

I don't know if it translates to wins, but I think it'll translate to fantasy points.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Oh, 100%. I can't wait for the draft for real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

Um Cole, let's get into our AFC West thing. You are the only one here who is not a diehard AFC West fan. So you're gonna get you're gonna get the Chargers and the Raiders. You're hit us with whatever one you want to start.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Um I think I'm gonna start with the Chargers.

SPEAKER_03 15:10

Love it.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Start there. Um perfect. Yeah, enjoy, audience. This is gonna be nice and refreshing. You're about to get cogent pure sports analysis for the next 10 minutes and enjoy it because it's gonna get real emotional here. It's gonna be a roller coaster. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, baby.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

No, no stats needed for me. Yeah, exactly. I had a feeling. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I got stats. I got stats.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Okay. I have straight up vibes and a few stats, but so I got some questions for the Chargers. It's an interesting season. AFC West, one of the most interesting divisions in football and one of the best. So I'm excited. Um, I think the biggest thing everyone's talking about um is Mike McDaniel, right? So my question is will Mike McDaniel finally make Justin Herbert the MVP he's supposed to be? Um one thing that I found super interesting about Justin Herbert, he is he's kind of a media darling, right? He's this great quarterback in the league, and here we are, we're super excited. He has Mike McDaniel coming in. Yes! He, if you go back to the start of his college career, he's had eight coordinators in ten years.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

That's like Jalen Hurts.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

At the same time, I'm excited about Mike McDaniel. I'm like, here we are, year seven of Justin Herbert. He has to learn a new system. It's a new coordinator he's never worked with before. I just, I think he could make him the MVP, or it's like the classic Chargers, where he's they're just if for year one, he's struggling to learn the system, or like it's not perfect yet, they just drop a couple games they should win, barely miss the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

My Chargers take is I think they are the team in the AFC West most likely to make the playoffs, but not most likely to win the division. I think the Chargers are the team most likely to win 10 or 11 games and be a first-round exit. I will be picking Justin Herbert as my preseason MVP pick because of Mike McDaniel and the numbers he's able to put up with quarterbacks. Like he's actually as a competent quarterback now, not Tua. But I don't think, I don't think besides that, the Chargers change that much from our expectations.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Yeah, I think that for me at least, I think what is different about their offense on a player sense, right? I agree that McDaniel is a great the perfect coordinator for Herbert. And I think that they he can really turn him into an MVP, but I just wonder about like who is he throwing to, right? I mean, Quentin Johnson is is you know, he's one of the best droppers in the league. He'll pop off for, you know, to bring up fantasy again. I had him last year, he would pop off with 30 points and then put up two weeks of zeros. Like, if you're gonna, I mean, I mean it it's I have more questions about who he's throwing to. I like their new tight end, I like Gadson a lot, and they got a really good running back team. Like they they could be great with Hampton and Vidal, and like they they could be great moving the ball that way. I just worry about Herbert, and is he gonna have the protection also? Because that was the big thing. He's getting beat up, he's getting beat up in the pocket.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

You sound like the media now.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I just like you know all my talking points still, and it's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Oh, good. Sorry, sorry. I'm just gonna steal it, but that's what I just when I I agree, yeah. Justin Herbert, MVP. I need to see supporting evidence in in free agency, and I haven't seen that so far. I think that they've they've done nothing.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Ladd is good, he's just they don't use him enough.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

All right, we're gonna get there. You guys are ahead of me. Okay, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Wait, that leads me to the O-line, which is are they actually gonna come back healthy? You have Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt both coming back, right? If they're back, like I'm not worried about the O-line at all. But you never know if guys are just different after an injury. So that's on the board, but like they're both gonna be healthy for the season.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

The Chargers are the only team where when somebody gets injured, the media is like, oh my god, oh my oh my oh my oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Yes, like I do think Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt are huge. Like that's those are two, that's like where most of their money on offense is, low-key. Talk about some of their pass catchers. Like, it's in those two guys, and it's they didn't have both of them. And they just added guard Cole Strange, who was a first-round pick for the Patriots, but he's mid to bad at best. Every depth for them.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Every Justin Herbert argument is really just a Joe Alt MVP argument. Like it just is.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

It's true. No, I and I think it I'm curious to see how they draft also, because I think picking up guys like Cole Strange, I mean, that's the thing. It's just like you need depth. I think the depth is so important on the O-line, especially, especially with a guy like Herbert. Just because I mean the hand injuries, he's I feel like it's every year it's a hand injury, it's a it's a thumb. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Yeah, I hear you on the Herbert hand injuries, but again, Crimea River. Um Cole, what's your next uh Chargers thought?

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Alright, so that leads me to this one, which you we were already getting at, is who is Lad McConkie? I mean, we have a tale of two different guys over two different seasons. So I got some stats for you. Um and this question kind of goes along with Mike McDaniel again, going back to the first one. Like, my Mick McDaniel does a lot of movement before the ball is snapped, and like very creative. I think it will help Ladd a lot. And so, like, my my gut is that Ladd will be their number one receiver. I don't really get why they added Keenan Allen and all that. Like, Ladd was poised to go into this role. I was pissed the Patriots didn't draft him. They got him like two picks before the PAPs in that draft. Yes, and then after this year, it was kind of like he was invisible. So, yeah, he wasn't not in the top 25 in receptions, yards, or touchdowns this season, and he had 16 drops, one of the highest in the entire NFL. And he had 400 less yards this season than his rookie, and he played 16 out of 17 games. So it's like wow, major decline from rookie season. Is that the play caller? And I think we'll see that at a lot of different teams talking about OC. Like, Lions sucked because of their OC, Chiefs sucked because of their OC, Eagles sucked because of their OC. Like, did the Chargers get way better OC? Was that the issue? I mean, we're gonna find out. Or is Ladd was that a miss?

SPEAKER_03 21:20

You know who Ladd is? He's a two-time fucking national champion, and maybe the next great slot receiver.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yeah, maybe he couldn't make the jump to the league. I don't know. We'll see. No, I'm just I like Ladd. I think he's gonna, but it is.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

He's the Lad guy.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

When you look at yeah, absolutely you are, but I mean the the numbers are sharp, like Yeah, I had him this year in two leagues.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

I felt that. I definitely think a lot of those drops came after the Herbert hand injury, where he was just so off target so much of the time. Um I think Lad, I think signing Keenan Allen took volume away from Lad. Lad was pretty Pretty reliable most of the year. And definitely there was a downfall. Mid season he was great.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Yeah, I think I think he's a I think he's a great guy. I mean, when you put up over a thousand yards in your rookie season, I don't think it's it's almost never a fluke. Yeah. I mean, I think that he can make the jump. It's just about. Yeah, I think all the factors, the Keenan Allen of it all, and I think the off OC of it all. I think that McDaniel can if it if they can cook, they can cook. And I do honestly think I agree. They could be the AFC West team that is, I think, a lock for the playoffs, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Yeah, I don't think they have as high of a floor as the Chiefs or the Broncos. I mean high of a ceiling, but they have a higher floor.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Sure. I agree. They're gonna have that defense locked down with Harbaugh, like it'll yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

I'm penciling the clock. I also think there will so you go. I was just gonna I was just gonna say that I think that there are three AMC West teams in the playoffs next year, though. I that's what that's what my gut says. I'm leaning that way too.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

I'm penciling the Chargers in for 10 wins. Uh like every single year.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Alright, so let's let's you know, you go. Let's talk about the team that is about to miss the playoffs in that division. The Raiders. I mean, here's the thing, though. We're they're look, they're the team that will miss, but in two years, three years, there's a world they're the best team in that division. Like, I love the way they're building this offseason. I'll start with that. Basically, my question is now that they've gotten Crosby back, like the roster is low-key ready for Mendoza. Like, is Mendoza ready for the roster he's about to receive? Because if he is, I do, I do not envy anybody in that division. Like, the guys they have on paper on offense, and now with Crosby back in that lineup, they spent how many hundred million in the offseason? Like, reminded me a lot of what the Packs said. It was just like, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

It reminded me a lot of what the Vikings did before JJ, actually.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Like, that's fair too. I mean, that's the thing. Yeah, if Mendoza's JJ McCarthy, it's they spent a lot of money they shouldn't have. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

So we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

That's my question there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when I think for me, the biggest pickup was like Linderbaum. Like, that is a great pickup. I mean, you look at I think there was just so many holes in that offensive line. I mean, first of all, first and foremost, getting rid of Gino, first of all, trading him for any picks, a miracle. Miracle. A miracle. They are so lucky they got anything from that. I cannot believe that. But I think the best, the best thing that has happened to them is Clint Kubiak. I think that a new head coach that can like build an identity with a young quarterback, and like we'll see. It's just it's all hinges on Mendoza, as he said. Like, can he is he league ready? Can he do it? I mean, but like look at what he did against. I mean, that the Indiana run is one of the best stories in all of football ever. I truly believe that. I mean, but is that Signetti? So is it is it just Signetti? Is it just is it just college with an older roster? Or is it Mendoza? Does he actually have it in him? I think I'm gonna be rooting for him regardless, which is crazy to say, because it's fuck the Raiders.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

Fuck the Raiders.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

I think I hate them more than any team in the division, honestly. The Chiefs have have risen in that a whole a whole lot, but that's like the OG hatred is Raiders Broncos, you know? And I think that but I'm gonna be rooting for Mendoza just because he's such a fun watch. He's such a cool guy. I like him too.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Do you think he's the guy, Dylan?

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Oh, dude, I don't. I I really don't. But I think here's the thing. I think he's a good story, and they have to take him with the first overall pick. I don't think I don't think there's a better quarterback in the draft class, which is just as I think he's just a draft class. So I think that they need to take a chance on this great story. And a Mendoza, I mean, the the Hispanic community of the Raiders is huge. Like they're gonna rally behind this get this kid so heavy. Like, I think it's gonna be so it's gonna be so awesome. It's gonna be so awesome.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

I do think he's the guy, and I just am like, we don't have room. There's just not enough wins to go around the AFC West.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

And there it is, yeah. Yeah. If he's the guy, I think they're a this year kind of team, which is crazy. Like, there can't be there's never been four this year teams in a division. I don't think ever.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

It's hard to remember.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

So which means we have a pretender, I think, which means that we have a pretender in there, potentially. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Alright, you kind of led me to my next question, Dylan. Let me double check it. Oh, yeah. Is Clint Kubiak Ben Johnson? Or is he Josh McDaniels as a head coach? Like, what it's exciting, but it's also a first-time rookie head offensive-minded coach. Like, it could go either way. It could be a mess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Here's the thing. I mean, look at the Seahawks, man. Look at them this year. I think I think you look at like these coaches. I do believe Sam Darnold has turned himself around in many ways, but I think you look at the two organizations that he was with before and who was coaching him, and the historically awful Jets and the historically awful Panthers that have had you know some good years in the past 25 years, but not many. I think I think I think Clint's the man. I think he's the man. I think the Seahawks offense was insane this season, and I think that there was a lot of power in that defense, but it was just solid and it was tough. And I think you have, you know, you already have an incredible running back, and then I mean, I think the biggest question for me, honestly, is the wide receiver room. Is Trey Tucker the guy? Like, I know they picked up Naylor. I mean, I I mean you're gonna be going to Bowers, but like he was getting injured last year. He was getting really injured last year. He's gonna get he's gonna get beat up again. I think his health is a big thing. So Yeah, I just I just think it's I'm that's where I'm more worried about is will it I think I I don't know. I'm gonna trust him because I think that Seattle team was just so exciting this year, and he did so much good for that team and turned them into a just a giant this year. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

My thing about Kubiak, if this is a division with four teams competing so closely, right? What's gonna be the difference of the margins coaching, and you're still the fourth best coach that division, even if you're a good coach? Like he just is. So I just that's I I worry about Kubiak, but if it works, it's gonna work fast.

unknown 28:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

I think, yeah, I think this is they have to give it time. If to if this year's not the year, I think they have to accept that, and they have to, but they have to build an identity this year, is the most important thing. And they the the players have to, I think there has to be like a connection with the coach. I feel like that's just gonna be so important for them. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Yeah, that's my thing. You we are seeing a trend with defensive mind or culture, defensive-minded culture coaches that is seems to be getting teams to the Super Bowl or close or revamping them and getting them close with Dan Campbell, or like I do think maybe the young OC is kind of trending out. We'll see, but ten different new coaches this year, so we'll gonna get a nice sample size of how it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

It's gonna be insane. It's gonna be insane.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Last thing I want to talk about with the Raiders here, do a little Genty talk. The question is, can Genty actually be a top three running back in the league? I got some numbers for you. So he's drafted six overall. Expectation is that like if you're running back, you're drafted that high. Like, you need to be that, probably in year two. Like, this is kind of this is the due date here. He had the seventh most carries in the league and the eighteenth most yards. He had 3.6 yards of carry, 45th in the NFL. So nothing that elite. Here's the one stat that I got me being like, you know what? There's hope for Genty. 80% of his total yards came after contact. So, like, there is no holes opening up for Genty. No. Every yard he got was after he already got hit. So, like, can they create space for Genty? As much as protecting Mendoza is important, like, cash in on your sixth overall pick from last year and like get Genty in the open field without a guy hitting him.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Totally. Totally. I yeah, go ahead, Emma.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

I I don't I have two thoughts on this. I think Genty can be a top five running back, but I'm gonna go the fantasy lens for a second. I will not be I will be avoiding Genty in drafts because you play two games against the Broncos, two games against the Chargers, two games against the Chiefs, you play the NFC West. So that's the Rams, the Seahawks, um, and the Niners. We also play the AFC East, that's the Patriots. I just named 10 games that the run is gonna be hard to come by. The Chiefs are, even when we're bad, we're gonna stopping the run. Broncos can stop the run. Chargers, Patriots, all the NFC West teams. I just think if he is the guy, it'll be like, wow, he beat every expectation. It's not a gamble I'm gonna take in fantasy because of the schedule. So I just think there's a lot working against him to be a top five running back.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I completely agree. I completely agree. I think that that is, but I mean, I was there were clips I saw last year of just that O-line, and it was just it was so sloppy. I think that that was the biggest flaw in that team last year. It was so sloppy. So can Linderbaum, can he as a center, can he lead the charge? Can he, you know, but you need really good guards. You need really good guards. So I mean, I think that they need that that draft pick, that they're because they're what what did you say? They're the sixth pick, or what they got Genty at six.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Wait, wait, what are they this this next one?

SPEAKER_00 31:53

They're like a Mendoza at one.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Second or oh, they're one, they're one, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

But they have they have 33.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

What's their second? I couldn't remember if they got right. Of course, of course, they have number one for Mendoza. I feel like that's the thing. It's like the next pick, their second pick has to be just a guard. Get get a guard, get a young guy, and just like shore up the line, and then there will be holes for Genty, and because he can get after after contact yards. Like, he is gonna be there. So I yeah, I don't think he's gonna be top five next year at all, though.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

Uh Dylan, do you think Max Crosby's a raider next year?

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Oh, I I he said he's a raider for life again. Like he said that like 50 times before and after rated, like it's just like I just think it would have happened by now, honestly. I think they would have, but the f I so it's just like I guess is he gonna be healthy though? Like the rate I mean he failed the physical, or they they had worrying signs on the physical, whatever it was.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

I mean, do you think the Ravens did something dirty?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Huh? I don't know. I don't I don't even think so, because I think if you fail a physical, your owed uh your picks back, it is a little bit scammy, and then you get Hendrickson. I know they were trying to pair Hendrickson and Crosby, but uh it just feels weird. It just does feel weird.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

I'm like, oh, it's I so I was listening to uh like one of the ESPN insiders, I forget who it was, it wasn't Scheffter, but it was one of those people. They did a tweet about how like you actually don't fail a physical, like that language isn't really used in the NFL. It's more like you were like, like you just get evaluated, you don't fail a physical.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

So But I guess they had signs that that he wasn't gonna be fit.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

Everyone, everyone knew about the knee surgery. I really think it's that they saw they could get Hendrickson and they just wanted their picks back.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Like, I honestly don't think, like, like technically they didn't break a rule. I think the issue is the rules. Yeah, it's like, hey, open, like what why do we have this legal tampering period? Like, try to explain it to your two-year-old. You can't, like, it's doesn't make any sense. What it's like, it should just be evaluate them before you make the trade. If you make the trade, it's official. Like, I don't see why that can't be the system. I agreed.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

I think I agree. Yeah, it's but I mean, can you imagine? That's the downside, yeah. Can you imagine? I wish it had stayed though, because can you imagine Crosby and Hendrickson? Holy hell. Yeah, that's sort of scary. No, that's it's good.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

They weren't pairing them though, like with what money? I just think. With what money?

SPEAKER_01 34:23

That's where it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

They wouldn't have got Hendrickson. He'd be a patriot right now. Not just.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Um, Dylan, before we move on, did you draft any Genty or Bowers this last year in fantasy?

SPEAKER_01 34:34

I did, and I mean I was I was in six leagues last year. I had them, I had Genty on two teams, I had Bowers on one team, and it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. Genty had a couple good games. Genty, when he was scoring touchdowns, it was productive, but the yardage just wasn't there. Bowers and Bowers had like, I think, one like 30-point game or something, and then the rest was like sub 10 or like 15. Like, it was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Bowers, he was hurt a little at the end of college. I think it's just gonna be a thing. Genty is the reason I got that tie game in our league.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Because Genty and Lad were about that. That was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

And they stopped using him. If he had just fell forward one more yard, I would have lost.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Like that was crazy. That was a miracle, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

That was was that a Monday night miracle, even? Yes, and then I went to win our league. Like, Genty not having one extra yard won me our league.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I think probably. That was the tightest playoff race, also, I've ever seen. Like the fact that Charlie got screwed the way she did and every turn at the end. Oh, it was I was like, Charlie, this is normal. Like, this is you're gonna win games, and then she just didn't. The token goal, especially, I was like, Stop.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

It's tough.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

It's tough. Are you feeling wrapped up on the Raiders?

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Great. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Get your tissues.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

Yeah, let's move on, boys.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

Okay, that was definitely enough Chargers and Raiders talk. Plenty. Plenty of Chargers and Raiders talk. We're gonna go first in the section we actually care about, with you know, the seven-time AFC Championship appearance, five serial appearances, three rings, best six wing team of your lifetime, and we'll let the defending AFC West champ end it out for us, okay? Since, you know, you're you don't get to hold on to that title for much longer, so you might as well enjoy it. Um I've got two like big questions and three little tiny ones. My first big question, and I'll say them both together. First big question is was last year a fluke? Was it really, you know, just the year from hell? And the other big the other big question is Mahomes' injury, right? So to Mahomes' injury, I believe he will play week one. And my view on the fluke year, which I've been pretty outspoken about this, I think that it was the biggest Super Bowl song we've ever seen. Seeing people go to three Super Bowls in a row. A lot of those guys only knew going to Super Bowl, so there's also a little, you know, well, this is just what we do, energy. And everyone was tired. I think it was a mix of tired and energy, and just like you can watch Chiefs games, there's some really good film there. And then it's just like the the margins, small margins of error. So I do think last year's a fluke, and I think Mahomes will play week one. So before I get to my little questions, I'll put that out there.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

You start I think I I think I can see arguments for both sides, but I'm gonna go with the opinion of last year wasn't a fluke. Uh, I think what you said is true. I think that there's a lot of exhaustion there from you know, years of success and playing way more than 17 games. And I think that that leads to a lot of things, and I think it's important to note just the regression pre-injury in the Chiefs in the first couple of weeks, and looking at that as a key to maybe there's a loss of identity, maybe there's too many pieces that have gone, and maybe this new era is of the Chiefs, and some of their picks aren't actually what we thought they were. Um, and I think I agree Mahomes will play week one, and I think you made some great pickups, but I think I think last year wasn't a fluke.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Um, yeah, breaking news. Chiefs just signed Amari Di Mercado.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Um, pair with Kenneth Walker.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

I I think that's smart. It was a cheap one-year deal.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Cheap yeah. So is Hunt gone too? No, I I'm in the.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

I imagine we're keeping Kareem Hunt um as a late signing.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Just to show just ruin Kenneth Walker's fantasy value. Three three room back. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

So I mean, I I think for health though, I think that that's the biggest plus for you guys to see is like running the running game is gonna be up. Pacheco was out a bunch last year also.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Um our running game, like, we just didn't have a real true like workhorse running back, and like we have guards who want to be run blockers, so that's even more frustrating. Like, all of our guards were like tweeting out after we signed Kenneth Walker, like, can't wait to block for you. Like, I think that they're eager to run the ball, and I think bringing the enemy back will lead to us running the ball. He was the run game coordinator at the Bears this past year, and then he was ROC for the first two Super Bowl wins. So I think that that's a great combination. I think that like last year's Chiefs team was a fluke in the sense that like a lot of it was like emotional and tiredness. I mean, I definitely think there's that that needs to be fixed though. I don't like I don't necessarily say fluke is like we're not gonna fix anything. I do think it was like a perfect storm of everything. And I will say that I had no no one believes me on this. I had some more fun watching Chiefs games this past year than I did in 2024 because I felt like our offense started to come back. You know, there was a solid month where we were leading the league in offensive categories, even in some losses. So I kind of almost enjoyed some of the games more than like watching us win the tow gate game with Isaiah Likely, or like, you know, the like the donk the doink kick in. Like, I I actually I enjoyed our wins a lot more this season. Like, to me, it was like high highs for me as a fan, and then like super low lows. But there were some moments where I was like, this feels better than last year.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

So I think my one thing with it being a fluke, or was it like just one-time thing, I feel like Chiefs kind of escaped this major schedule talk. A lot of teams getting it, whether it's not just the Patriots, Broncos too, like playoff schedules, all the quarterbacks weren't good. Like, I just think schedule gets brought up a lot, and what's tough for me is your schedule's not changing, and like you weren't like you couldn't you lost to every good team you saw.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

And I disagree with that. I do. I don't I I think the Lions and Ravens and Colts were three huge wins.

SPEAKER_00 41:18

But like, Patriot, like we beat the Bengals, the Bucks, and the Ravens, all supposed to be playoff teams, but like they weren't, and that they're in our list of playoff teams that we've got.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

This is not the AFC East episode, I don't really care.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Um But it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Like, I do think it relates. At the time, Colts Chiefs was the biggest game of the month at the time.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

It was, yep. Yes, and then and then after being eight and one, they ended up what eight and nine or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

But like those teams were good. I just feel like you're you've done this all week. You're bullying me for the for the internet bullying the Patriots. Like, I will I will go no, I'm talking my division. I will go down swinging that the Colts was a huge win, the Ravens was a huge win, the Lions. Every single person thought I was crazy when I said we are going to blow out the Lions. And then what did we do? We blew out the Lions. Like, that was a huge game at the time. And like, yeah, it didn't end up being a huge game, but September and October football, you don't know it's gonna be a huge game. And like that's a the Lions are I think the Lions and Ravens are better than some teams who made the playoffs. I think the Chiefs are better than some teams who made the playoffs. I think the Chiefs are better than the Panthers. I don't think that's crazy to say. Like, I I will say that those I don't love the narrative that we didn't beat any good teams, we didn't beat any playoff teams. Those are two separate things.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

I guess that's my point is you guys get credit for beating this sea for whatever reason. Like, you guys are given credit for beating non-playoff teams, and I don't feel like any other team was. Like, yeah. We also lost a lot of Mahomes was healthy for every playoff team Mahomes suited up against. He lost to this year, which does make you nervous.

SPEAKER_03 42:58

Like we also left the field with the lead most games, and then the defense collapsed.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Sure. So yeah, so yeah. I I I I I agree with Cole, and I think that it like that. I think about that Dallas game. Like Dallas was handled by better than very effectively. He was great, yes, but and then so then we gotta bring up the defense. That defense is not what it used to be, and that's my biggest thing about how this wasn't a fluke of a season. I think there was just defensive holes, and I think there's yeah, lots of offensive issues also, but it came down a lot of the time. Like, look at that Jacksonville game, also. You can't defend against Trevor Lawrence. Like, nobody's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Well, that was a that was a defensive disaster.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

You're not the guy we thought Trevor Lawrence could be. That and so I think that's for me why I feel the most like it wasn't a fluke. I think that that Chiefs' defense is just not the beast that it used to be. Well, yeah, let's more of a question mark now.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Let's talk about the defense because that's my first two things. Because obviously, the McDuffie trade. Dylan, what are your thoughts on the McDuffie trade off the cusp?

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Ooh, I like it for the Rams a lot. We got a first, a third, well, I I like it for the Chiefs. I like it more for the Rams in them now. That's more of a that's a trade to win the the league. The Rams are a good defense away from the Super Bowl. I believe that wholeheartedly. I think the Seahawks ran that division because of their defense. But you look at the two games they played, or what the three games they played against each other, and they were close because it was an offensive shootout, but who could make the stops? It was always the Seahawks and great special teams from their punter and kicker. Like that's where it came down to me. And I think McDuffie is a super solid piece. I loved him for you guys. And like I think you're right, the picks, huge. But for me, that's more of a signal that wow, maybe the Chiefs are in a rebuilding phase.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

See, I felt like we started the rebuild last year without people realizing it. Like, I felt like our draft class from this past year is gonna really come on. Here's the thing you know how you stay a dynasty? You don't pay a slot corner the top of the market. That's how you stay a dynasty. Um I like Trent McDuffie. I think the Rams the Rams already have a slot corner. They're gonna put Trent McDuffie on the outside. I think I don't think it's going to go completely well for them, to be honest, because they already have a nickel corner. Um Yeah, I I think the way you stay a dynasty is you don't pay a slot corner at the top of the market. Um we our whole secondary is basically gone.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

I'd pay this guy top of the market.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

That's not a slot corner.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

I know he's not a slot corner, but he's the best cornerback in the league.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

He is, and I would pay him top of the market, but I'm not gonna pay a slot corner top of the market. I'm just not.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

I think I'm very curious. I'm excited for the Rams because of that pick.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

I love everyone knows I love the Rams. I love Stafford. I if they would be my NFC team if I wasn't engaged to a Bears fan. I love the Rams, but I do think they're banking on Stafford having another miracle season at 38 with that McDuffie trade. I also thought we would get like maybe a first and something else, or like a second in a couple things. Getting a first, a third, a fifth, and a sixth is like huge. So I'm I think we won the McDuffie trade. I'm not happy that we like we basically lost our entire secondary, but we also watched that secondary get exposed this year. You're right. Our defense was a disaster. We went from leading the league in getting people off the field in third and longs to leading the league in teams converting third and long. Like we have our secondary is a disaster. I'm okay with like changing of the guard. So we've signed a safety who he I think he's a slam dunk. Um he was a defensive player of the week a couple times last year for the Ravens. I think he's a slam dunk. We signed a corner today from the Dolphins who didn't play last year off in an injury. That's more of a question mark. We have two corners left besides him, so we have a few. I definitely think we gotta draft a corner for sure. We gotta draft a corner. But yeah, I mean, that was one of my questions was the secondary. It's like but it's a new group of guys. There's only I think Chris Jones, Nick Bolton, and George Carloftis are our only returners on the D on the defense, like notably.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

So I yeah, I tend Yeah, yeah. I tend to agree with you with Emma on the trade. I think Chiefs won that trade. I'm fine with not paying McDuffie. I think Rams, it's a long season for an old quarterback. I think Rams are gonna be a little less close than they maybe think they're gonna be. And maybe they're not as win now as they maybe hope to be. But I mean, I don't hate it. Like, he's a great player, I think. And on the Chiefs defense, like, I mean, I do blame them. That's part of the worry for it wasn't a fluke year. Is like it wasn't really on Mahomes. Like, Mahomes can only be that or a little bit better. Like, he was pretty still.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

He can be better. 100%. He can be better, but he was solid for a he was back to himself for a lot of the year, but yeah, continue. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

He showed flashes, and like I don't expect, I'm not gonna ask him to be way better than he was last year coming off an injury. So, like, if the defense doesn't get fixed, it's not gonna, it might look a lot similar. Which brings me to the like, is the secondary better now, or is it just different? Like, I don't know. It does feel like if they re-b it depends what you draft, but like I think today on paper the Chiefs defense is worse than it was at the start of last season.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

I I I think we got better at safety. I I don't even think that's negotiable. I think we I but we got worse at corner. Um, I believe in Noel Williams, who we drafted last year. Like, I hate PFF, but I will forever keep saying that he was the highest graded corner on PFF when he played. So I thought he I thought he was a great draft pick for us. I wish we played him more. I believe in Noel Williams, I believe in the safety we just signed. So to be a few more things, but I don't think the secondary is good today. I think we have the potential to be good, and that comes from belief in Noel Williams. I am more concerned about the D-line. That's that was my last question, really. Was Edge. Like we have to not, yeah, and I think the plan has to be in the draft. I don't know if we have the money to like sign an edge edge. We our D-tackle, our our like interior of the D-line is great. We just picked up the guy from the Patriots. We got Chris Jones, George Carloftis, Omar Norman Lye. We got a good core, we just need that one like explosive can rush for guy, you know? So to me, the secondary is less of a concern if we can get that guy to force people to throw it in tight windows. And I think the answer is David Bailey or Ruben Bain. I think, and I don't love Ruben Bain's arm length. So I I want the Chiefs to take the 29th pick they got from the Rams and use the ninth pick and trade up to four and go get David Bailey.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

So yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

I like that. I mean, I I think that I think the plan for you guys has to be, yeah, like turn your bit of draft capital and into a higher draft pick, or just turn it all into really solid, yeah, edge. Like just get your the D-line solid and have them young and get some depth there. And of course, yeah, you know, short the secondary, but yeah, I agree. I think that's a great idea. I think that just yeah, it's just I don't know who you guys can pick up on the market again with the money you have, as you said. It's just like you're already paying so much for. I mean, you got Mahomes and now you got Kenneth Walker. You you got Kelsey in his last year. I mean, he's not on a whole lot, but like you got cap that I don't know how much cap do you really need to do?

SPEAKER_03 50:38

We got we got twelve we got about we had about twenty-five mil left this morning. We signed a corner and uh an Amari Di Mercado. So I imagine we still have at least 10 to 15.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

I do want to get your uh your Kelsey take. What do you think of him coming back?

SPEAKER_01 50:56

I think he can't stand Taylor Swift. I think he has to get out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

No, I think I think it's not gonna be great. I don't know. I think he's I think Kelsey had such an insane run, and I think last year maybe it was because of all the other issues we've mentioned, but I just I don't see him as a top 10 tight end for sure.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

And I'm just you're not looking at numbers.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

I think I tend to agree with you, Dylan. I think it could be nightmarish.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

Here's my thing about Kelsey. I think he had some really low lows last year, but he still finished the top three in every statistical category. And like, you know what? He just he can't be our number one option, and last year he was forced to be because of Rashi and then the worthy injury. Like, I just I think he's great. I want us to draft a tight end in the mid-round and him mentor that guy. Like, I want us to focus more on the run game and the wide receiver game, and then like let Kelsey have three to four, maybe five catches a game, right? That's sort of how I see Kelsey's role. And I think he was paid to reflect that. 12 million is really low for a tight end of his caliber. I mean, like, there's guys who he's way better than right now on this day making 15-16 million. Um my question for you as an outside person, do you think the Chiefs need another weapon? If Rashi if Rasheed's not suspended. So if our offense is Mahomes, Kelsey, Rasheed, Worthy, Jalen Royals, and Kenneth Walker, do we need another weapon?

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I hear there's this great kid. Uh oh, he played for the Dolphins. I think his name is Tyreek Hill. You know, he would be a great piece for this. I like him, man. I love him. I actually think, okay, yeah, no, I'm jokes aside. I actually would be intrigued by a Tyreek reunion.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

Reunion. It would be sweet.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Yeah. It would be kind of cool. And I mean, Tyreek's not the guy he used to be, but I think another weapon is what you guys need at the end of the day. Uh, especially, I mean, I like Rasheed, I like uh Worthy, but I I don't know. I I'm I'm I think you need you need one more just dog in the in there. And like I like the running back room now, especially with DeMarcrado. I think he's solid. I mean, he had that insanely bad fumble before the end this year, but that's just one of those tough moments in the football.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

But my take is that so we fired our wide receivers coach because there's lots of shit coming out about him. We don't have to get into all of it, but basically, like he wasn't like developing guys' route trees and he was putting them into the and Kelsey was really coaching the wide receivers. All this shit came out about it. Um my take is we drafted Jalen Royals this past year, we drafted Xavier Worthy the year before, we drafted Rasheed Rice two a year or two before that. Um I don't want us to draft another wide receiver if we're not actually developing them. Like, let's just we we got um this new coach, um Connor Embray, he's from the Patriots dynasty. Um he coached Wes Walker and Julian Elm and all those guys. Like, maybe let's try to develop our wide receivers before we like make a huge dis like leap about them. I just think we can't spend any more draft resources if we're not developing them well.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

So yeah, yeah. No, I agree. So you so then you with your first pick, you who you who are you taking this year? If you can't trade up, let's say you guys just take your pick as is, who do you is I guess that's my question?

SPEAKER_03 54:21

I bet I I I think Ruben Bain Jr. will be there at nine. Um that's solid then.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Yeah, I I I imagine we end up I I think we're planning on getting an edge at nine. I also would be okay if maybe we go like a Caleb Downs or a corner at nine, and then we go for like Zion Young out of uh Mizoo at the back of the first round, like something like that. We have to leave, we have three picks in the top 40. One of those players has to be an edge.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Um, Dylan, let's uh let's get it over to your team who all they know is defense. I mean, like, let's go, right? Like, when you don't have Mahomes, you gotta have that sharp defense. See, some guys wear their quarterback's jersey, and some guys wear their cornerback's jersey. I'm just gonna put that out there.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

I just there's something about the defense, the Broncos defense, that is a it is a legendary thing, you know. Being there in the Von Miller days, I mean, and then before that, you got the champ Bailey days. Like, it's just like there's a there's a thing about Denver and defense that I just love. That's what I love about this team.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Always is like when they're defensively strong, it's so fun. And Sertana's that. Yeah, I mean, I'll start with it. Flex Flex and last year was just so fun. I mean, we were the number two total defense, like we were the number seven passing defense, our biggest flaw for sure, number two rushing defense. We were the number three scoring defense. I think that we were the number one red zone defense. I think that this is the thing is that is if we can win next year, it's gonna be once again on the defense. And uh, I guess that leads into my first question is, you know, uh with we, I mean, we we lose Dre Greenlaw and Franklin Myers right away and PJ Locke in free agency. Uh will we be able to be the dominant defense next year that we were this past year, that we've been for the past few years? I mean, I love that we kept Singleton. I think we kept some really solid pieces. I trust Riley Moss, I trust Sertan. I think we have a great um our new corner out of Texas, he's great. I think that there's lots of good pieces, but I'm I I guess that's my question. Do we think do we think that we can be the same top three defense that we've been?

SPEAKER_03 56:46

I I'm I actually think Cole agrees with me on this one. I have no concerns about your defense. I don't care who you lost. If you got you still have that line, you still have Sertan. I I have literally I I don't think I actually think it would be criminal to blame any failures on your defense.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

But I don't want to speak for Cole.

SPEAKER_03 57:03

I assume you agree with me on that.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

No, I agree. I'm not worried about the defense. I think you guys will be great. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

I yeah, I just worry, I think here's my thing. I think that with the strength of offense that we are going up against, our the our opponents next year, it's gonna be some. We got a tough schedule.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

We got tough schedule.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

Schedule's the most important thing to talk about. That's the main thing to look at for every team is strength of schedule. I mean, 100%, especially when it comes to the Patriots in the East.

SPEAKER_01 57:33

It should be talked about a lot more than that.

SPEAKER_03 57:37

I actually think schedule does matter.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

I think it's number one.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

I don't think it's number one. I do think being in the AFC West, it's AFC West plays the NFC West next year. That's brutal. That's brutal.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

That's mean. Who have the top divisions in football? I think the ch the top two, interchangeable at the best, especially.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

The league knows what it's doing.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Let's say that. Oh, yeah, and it's gonna be electric. And like, I think that I hope that you're right. I just worry because there were some games, especially at the end of the season. I mean, for me, the Washington game is a really big blight on the defense. There was a lot of moments where I do question, like, can if Sertan is off the field, which he was, and those were the games we struggled the most, when Riley Moss is the number one cornerback and he's getting the most targets, dude. I I'd love him, but he is he's not the number one guy for us, and that's where I do worry for them. But I I agree. I think that we're still fucking dogs.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

So your talking point is just Sertan has to be healthy. That's Sertan.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

I mean, no, I mean straight up though, that is I mean, it's huge.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

It's same thing with Christian Gonzalez. Like if you're gonna say, you're fucked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

Gonzo was the was, I mean, Gonzo Island, baby. He talked about great cornerback play. Like, I trust me, I hate the Patriots with my whole heart. But like, I mean, it's those two at the top of the least. Yes, Tertan and Gonzo. 100%. A hundred percent, dude. And so, yeah, so I guess I'll I'll lead this into my next question, then kind of with with what you said, Emma. Are are we was this a fluke of a year? Yeah. Was this was this just the perfect storm? Was this you know 14 and 3 with some two questionable losses, one bad loss. But like, are we are we a Super Bowl contender? Like, I think you can you can argue with this for a while, but I mean, we're a Bonex away from the Super Bowl in my eyes. And I, you know, I I we can we can get into this if we want to, Cole, but I I truly believe that.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

Yes, and I think that I believe in my full heart, if Bonex was there, you would have beaten the Patriots. I like believe that with my full heart.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

I do not believe that at all, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

It would have been a tight game, but I think how tight it was already with uh you know my boy Stiddy in there, who was not steady. Uh I loved him, but he was not steady. I uh I think, yeah, I mean, and you know, you can say what you will about the Bills game, but Bonix played his Yeah, that game I give him credit for.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

Yes, that was that might be the best game of his career. How fucking mad were you when Sean Payton didn't kick the field goal in the Patriots game?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:08

Oh, I was beside myself. I was backstage watching the I was I was I was literally like, are you kidding me? Are you serious? That was game. It was as they were lining it up. I and if you if you go back to that, it's that, and then there's the missed field goal at halftime, and then there's the two misses in the second. I mean, it's just the field goals were the deciding factor in that game. And I love a snow game, but I hated that one. That one was tough. Yeah, it was gross. That was that was ugly by the end. Nobody enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:33

Yeah, bad broadcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

So yeah, I know I I guess like that's my thing is like we led the league in drops. We had a schedule that was maybe favorable, we got we had some incredible moments, some incredible comebacks, some incredible defensive play, some incredible offensive play. But I think as a whole, we did look a little shaky at times. So will we be a 10-win team or will we be fighting? Will we be fighting to be above 500 after eight weeks? I I think I'm unsure about it. And I actually I feel more afraid now that after what our free agency was in so far.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

I just pulled it up. You guys got 18 million, you're not doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

18 million dollars, and all we've done is re-signed second stringers. We signed Elinger, we've signed Trout, we've signed little JK Dobbins, JK J.K. Dobbins is a great, I love that. I was really hopeful for Kenneth Walker. I was, I'll be honest, I was really hopeful, and I I can't even look at you. We didn't talk much, Ken Walker, honestly. I mean we gotta we gotta get back to the Ken Walker for a sec, because what a pickup for you guys. What a pickup. I mean, I can't believe too. Good deal. Great deal. How are you letting an MVP, a Super Bowl MVP, go?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

Yeah. My one thing is like you never love, it's not hungry Saquon going to a new team. I do like there is a potential, like, he just he got he got his ring, he got MVP, and he got his back. Like you guys have his back is sore. Is he gonna be playing?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

No, you guys have never watched an Eric Bienemy training camp montage. I'm telling you, that guy's a fucking dick. You're not slacking. If if he doesn't want to play, fine, we're gonna make Amari Di Mercado get a bunch of touches. Like Totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

I think Ken Walker, like, I love that the Chiefs got a running back. I think Ken Walker isn't like I think it's the headline it is because he won Super Bowl MVP, but like he was.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Yep, agreed.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Like, I do think he, yeah, if he left, I think partially.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

Walker was still the best free agent running back available. Chiefs went out and said we need to get better in the run game. We're not gonna draft a rookie and pay him top of the market at a not top position. Let's go get the best running back available. Like, maybe he's not Saquon or Gibbs or CMC, but he was the best running back available. Also, with Mahomes, you don't need Saquon or CMC, but you do need something. I mean, we had nothing. Oh, totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:58

It's an upgrade, and I like it, but like I do think I feel like we had a conversation before it happened, even when it was like, you'd you rather I know we did. You said you'd rather Rico over. I want I want an ETN.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

I want an ETN.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Each hand or Rico metal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

But I'm but I'm gonna be buying a nine jersey, let's be clear. Yeah, that's fair for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

Um what a yeah, what a dude. What a guy to have on your team. It's gonna help them so much. Exciting to see Mahomes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

People are gonna defend us differently. I'll open up the pass game. Dylan, Dylan, do you have any more um I want I have a I have a few Broncos things I want to lay on you, but I want to make sure you got your stuff out.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

I think I do one more thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

Okay, go go.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

So I guess like um, we'll go back to the free agency. I just want to touch on it real quick. I mean, we still haven't touched it. We got 18 million. I would like to throw out some ideas. We had the most drops again in the league. Our wide receiver team is rough. Do we go after Tyreek? Ayuk is released. Do we go for? I mean, I think Pickens is still a free agent. Is Pickens a free agent?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:56

He's tagged.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

Oh no, they tagged him. I forgot. Okay. So that's my thing. It's like, do we go for like, I mean, the only guy then is like Tyreek, but I don't even know if I want Tyreek. He might be LJ, we don't know. Yeah. I don't even trust, I just don't trust this wide receiver. Well, not AJ. AJ. Okay, and that's a good point because uh but I just the attitude that's where I get a little worried. Because what I love about our wide receiver team right now is Sutton is just such a humble, like homegrown wide receiver. We love him, he's our number one guy. And it's just will Troy Franklin step up? Will he will he be the guy? Do you have that there ready? Yeah. Yeah, I did. And and and with us, like I mean, do we make a splash and make our defense better? Do we get a Bosa or somebody like that where we can boost the defense even more?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

Like my take is do not spend any more on defense. If you think Bonix is the guy, which we'll get to, go out and get a wide receiver one. Would you give a first and a third for AJ Brown?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Oh, dude, I don't know. I think we we already have. I think I'm worried already with the next two, three year period.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

And I'm worried that if we give up too many draft picks for an older player, that we're we're potentially really gonna be in a struggling position and potentially a bad period, a bad stretch for six to the eight years. I mean, shit, uh the reason I'm so I'm boosting uh, you know, I'm I'm so like just crazy about Bo, and just like I'm I'm so proud to be a Broncos fan again because it's been 10 years of pain. Yeah, which like granted, like Cole gets it, and like I feel so similar, bro. Yeah, keeps were bad for a very long time, and like that's the thing. It's like I know that the Broncos when they're bad, it's tough. And like, because I feel like we're just one of those organizations, like it's just like the NFL is so fun when we're good. Yeah. So I just worry that giving up too many draft picks, uh, it could be bad in the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

But um Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's worse the first and the third, but that's apparently what Howie's looking for.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

I'm giving him Lamai if you want to talk past I'm giving him first and a third right now for the Patriots. 100% done. Word is they didn't accept.

unknown 1:06:00

That.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Like, that's a lot. Reported that we offered that, and they didn't. Like, I would still do it today after signing Romeo Dubbs. I just think we had a lot of picks last year. We have a lot of picks again this year. At some point, even if you hit all your guys, you can't pay them all at once. So, like, let's use two this year, save our first for next year, and let's get AJ Brown.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:18

Okay, Dylan, I have a question for you. So let's uh wrap up these next this next section with uh a few Broncos hot topics. So do you think if the Broncos thought Bo was a hundred percent healthy and good, they would be spending money in free agency right now? Like, is the Bo Nick's injury a factor in how they're approaching this offseason? Like the I d here's my thing. I I mean I'm speaking with a quarterback who's a tornado CL, but the Chiefs' messaging has been Mahomes, Reed, Trainer, Veach all saying the same thing. I thought the way Peyton and Bo, that whole injury thing went down, was really sus.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Uh, I think that the not splashing in free agency in a way is a testament to like, yes, we to the fact that we were just we were a 14-win team. I mean, look at the teams that we picked up anyone. We were the one seed in in the league. And like, that's the thing. It's like, look at the the Jaguars haven't picked up anyone. The Seahawks haven't picked up anyone. These are the teams that were the you know in the top eight teams, the top five teams, even Jaguars, you know, fringe top five, you know, and like I think we're we're biding our time more than anything. I don't think the Peyton Knicks thing, I think if anything, it's like, you know, he's just he's being a hard coach for Bo, which and I think it's turned out very well so far in many ways, even though I'm not I'm willing to give Peyton a couple more years, but I I'm still not I still am not loving it. And like I don't like the disrespect to Russ that the all that that went down, like I still respect Russ so much. I think that's just a shitty thing, and like he's just I think Peyton's just kind of a not like just not my favorite guy, but I think he's bringing out the best in Bo. And I think that right now the not splashing is believing that our young core of receivers and every like how incredibly good our O line is, top five in the league for sure, top three, even probably number one, yeah. A hundred percent minors, like a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:15

You were the Bills.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

I was gonna say, like, maybe Bills maybe like someone else, but we are just dominant. Me, we have every piece there we go. Not anymore. Well, last 2025.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

I think it was Broncos and Eagles tied at one. That's that sounds right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

Yeah, so I think it's just a sign that we're biding our time. But we they said that we were gonna splash in free agency, though. So I'm as confused as you guys why we haven't made a single move and we've lost key pieces.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

So I mean, I guess that's my Broncos take is like you had we talked about the defense, like wow, you had that, and you had the number one O line. Like, yeah, and it worked out at the same time, like through a lot of that, like I remember watching week 10, Thursday night football, you versus the Raiders.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

I bet that game.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:03

And because Emma was so down on you guys from so early on because she's a Broncos hater, rightfully so. And so I was always kind of like, I don't know if they're really that bad, Emma, like as you say. And I watched that game, I text her and I was like, this is one of the worst offenses I've ever seen. Terrible, yeah, but they weren't that all the time. But I do think, like, for their floor to be that when you have the best O-line and one of the best defenses, like scares me for Knicks a little bit. Yes. Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:29

I don't think I I don't I look at those games though, and I look at the way that Knicks plays, and like, I mean, give some credit to like some of the Raiders' defense. Honestly, that game they played their asses off. I mean, there was some great defensive play on both sides. Raiders beat us too. Yeah, I guess. There we go. Yeah, like Raiders are the reason you weren't the number one seed, and like that's the club. And like Raiders were spunky and like had weird games last season. I think that that was one of those games where also it's Peyton. I go back to Peyton, and you look at the way that like we played the Chargers at the end of the season, where like Herbert's out, there's like, but like we're playing the most guarded football you've ever seen. And I'm like, okay, Sean Payton's playing like fucking 3D chess, trying to like save the playbook to like for like the playoffs. But that's just like that's there's no point. And I I look at those games, and that's why I'm like, were we a fluke? Like, were we a scheduled merchants also, alongside the Patriots?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

Yes or no? Is your offense better next year?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

So far, no. There's no way we're better. I think I think that we're the same because I think, well, it it it's well, let's look at Bo again. If Bo is better every year, we're talking about MVP soon. Like, I but that's just the thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

Have you heard info on like where's the injury at? Do we know? Like, is he walking? Is he training? I'm saying a bone.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

So I mean, was it just bone? It was a fracture. I think it was just a simple fracture. I don't think there was anything bigger than that. And you remember there was the miscommunication.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:04

That's what that's what I didn't like.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

That was what was confusing because what it was Peyton saying that it sounded like there was a pre-existing thing. Yeah. And then Bonex coming out and be like, no, just fractured my ankle. And you saw it on the kneel down play. That's probably it was the play before the slide, I think, maybe. Yes. Um, and I think you you look back at that and you're like, that I can totally get how that was the end of the thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:26

Right, and there was some reporting that it was inevitable, like they knew it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

Inevitable. I don't get I don't get that. I think it's Sean Payton talking out of his ass, man. I don't get that. Man, I hate I hate Sean Payton, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

I hate Sean Payton so much, and I know and you're a fan.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

Yeah. Um I'm fan of him? I'm not a fan of him. I'm a Broncos fan, and I think there are moments where I just I cannot get behind him. And most of my issues I had with this the team this season was like, Sean Payton, if you throw one more screen pass, I'm gonna have to kill myself. Like, I can't watch this.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

That's like Matt and Aggie, I get it. Um, we got a couple minutes left, so let's wrap up with AFC West finishing order predictions. Dylan, you go first, buddy. Cole, we'll end with you. Yours is the least biased.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Yeah. I mean, I think we know who's gonna be the first for both M and I, but I think it's gonna be interesting. I think it's gonna be the one of the most interesting years of the AFC West ever. I think the Broncos will be number one, and I think that they will have 12 wins. I think they will be 12 and five. I think that the Chiefs will be right behind, actually. I think they will be 11 and 6, and I think Chargers in third, tied with the Chiefs. It's gonna be literally one game separately, and it's gonna be tie breaks, and it's gonna be the like Chargers losing to the Raiders, Raiders will be in last, Raiders will be like, I want to be optimistic. I'm gonna give them like eight wins. No, no, no. I've I'd like want seven or eight wins for this team. I think there's a chance that it all clicks and they just are a totally middle middle of the line team playing on a the worst, you know, worst record schedule. I think, yeah, so Broncos, Chiefs, Chargers, um, Raiders, and the top three all getting to the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:10

Wow, you were so nice. Now I'm gonna be mean. I think Chiefs are the are I think Chiefs are winning the division with 13 wins. I think the Chargers, but I if someone who doesn't win it, that's the Chiefs, I think it's the Chargers. I think the Chargers Chiefs are gonna be some combination of one-two. I think the Broncos are the three seed. I right now, I keep going back and forth with us. Right now, I think all three make the playoffs, and only one team from the AFC North does.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

Or two teams get three minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:41

Yeah, two teams from the AFC North. Just not oh, actually, no, two teams from the AFC West, no, three teams from the AFC West, two teams from the AFC East. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

Okay. It is tough. I don't I do not know what to do with the Chiefs, I think, is my issue. I think they clearly have the biggest chance to be like another nightmare season, I think. That's on the board out of Broncos or Chargers.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

Just give it to us, Cole.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:07

But at the same time, I think it's either gonna be like Mahomes isn't as healthy as we thought, it's the worst season of his career, and like Chiefs didn't improve that much, and they're just right around the Raiders, or Mahomes is back with a vengeance, and like the only reason I believe in a six-win team that their quarterback tours ACL is because of Mahomes, and like, so I really don't know what to do with them, and I think it's hard to decide until Cole. Cole's gonna go Chargers.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:31

Cole's gonna go Chargers, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:33

Chargers winning it, Broncos two, Chiefs three, Raiders last.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:38

But I think at least we all agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

I think at the same time, I think all three make the playoffs, and Chiefs are the scariest playoff team.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

Oh, yeah, I mean, if you're the wild card, it's like I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

Um, Dylan, I just have to say thank you so much for coming on, bro. Um one else do I talk AFC West with besides you? You're definitely gonna be a recurring guest.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

Like, I can't wait to be on again. Guys, I love chatting sports, I love chatting football with you guys. This was fun, and go Broncos. We're winning the whole next year. Go Pats, baby. Good to see you.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:11

Have a good night.