Angels Vs. Aliens

This week we dive deeper into the supernatural, with guest Bruce Brady, and try uncover the truth behind UFO’s, UAP’s and other unexplained phenomena. Put on your tin foil bunny ears and climb into the rabbit hole with us. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

UFOs, UAP's, unexplained supernatural phenomenon kind of makes you wonder what on earth is going on. Let's discuss that. This is the Topher Brown Show. Welcome back to the Topher Brown show. Hope everyone out there is doing wonderful. Appreciate you tuning in and watching wherever you're watching from, listening wherever you're listening from. Today we're going to discuss all of these crazy things that are going on, have been going on for decades at this point. So much stuff is being released, unclassified. Some uh so much remains still classified. We don't know uh what to make of it. Um we're gonna talk about all that today and hopefully maybe shed a little bit of light uh as to what's going on. Before we get into any of that, though, got to send it over to my co-host, Mr. Nick Smith. What's going on in there, friend?

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Oh, not much, brother. Howdy howdy America.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

What's been happening in your world this past weekend?

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Uh maybe not weekend, but last week did a little vacation down to Orange Beach. Okay. Ate some crab legs, some shrimps. Uh, really, we just made our kid watch us eat a lot of food away from home.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

I like, yeah. Well, it's their job to watch us enjoy ourselves. That's right. Um, I I have to address the elephant in the room. Uh, why do you look like Ray Charles in there?

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Um, you know, I could think of a thousand really funny stories, but the true story come to mind. The true story is I left my glasses on the hood of my car after feeding the fish and drove off with them on the hood of the car, which resulted in me running over them. Well, therefore, these are the only prescriptions that I own at the moment. So uh rocking the shades.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Okay, well, I I'm of the opinion that that it might need to be a trend that we continue on here. Uh it it lends some the it lends the cool factor to this show because as we know, that doesn't exist on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Well, you know, funny story. Uh Topher did say that he was going to mention something about it. I had to play on stage at church uh with my sunglasses on a couple of weeks ago, and he said, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna say something about it. Well, he did not. Therefore, I had one million questions from every person in the congregation about why I'm wearing sunglasses.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Well, it's kind of funny because I, you know, I was I was halfway joking about me referencing it from the stage, and then I thought, well, that might embarrass him. I probably shouldn't say anything. I didn't I didn't take into consideration that people were gonna be confused as to why for future clarification, embarrass me. Okay, I got it. All right, so we're talking about some craziness today. Uh so many things are coming out about uh UAPs, UFOs, and all different types of phenomena. And there's like there are probably thousands of viral videos online on YouTube. Everywhere you look, somebody's talking about this stuff. There are experts about it, uh, there are experts on it, and then there are there are people who um report have having these experiences and stuff. And I feel like in this day and age, especially with everything that's going on in the world, it would be probably good to take a deep dive and look um into what possibly may be causing all of this stuff, especially uh perhaps in the uptick of experiences that we've seen over the past few years. So, in order to do that and do it more thoroughly, we've brought a guest in today, and he's a wonderful friend of ours and a spiritual mentor to me. This is my good friend Bruce Brady Jr., right over here. Brother Bruce, as he's affectionately known to us.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Welcome, welcome, brother.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

It's good to see you guys. I love both of you, and I tell you, the the sport in the sunglasses is pretty cool, Nick. If I tried that, I'd look like Roy Orbison or something. But you look not bad. It's not a bad thing. No, as such, it was a cool cat. Anyway, it's uh I love you guys. Known you for a long time and uh love you like you're my own.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

So a little backstory as to mine and your uh experience. When I graduated um high school and way back in the year of our Lord 2001, which seems like an utter lifetime ago, uh, I went to Kapilinka Community College for those of our non-local listeners who don't know what Colin is. Um, and Brother Bruce was the Baptist Student Union director uh there at that time. Went through two years with you there, uh where you know got to sit under your leadership and really uh deepen my relationship, my walk with the Lord. And then I went off and did Lord knows what for you know roughly 15 years. Um got married, got pregnant, moved back to Brookhaven where we reconnected. This is in 2016, we reconnected and you asked me if I was interested in working for you. And then for five years? Five years. Five years we actually actually had the opportunity to work with you. Um, and and again, once again, sit under your leadership. And man, those were some good times. Yes, they were.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

We had some fantastic discussions and a lot of fruit. We saw a lot of yeah uh a lot of fruit, saw the Lord do a lot of stuff and a lot of students, and you were a big part of that.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Well, it was a pleasure to be under your uh tutelage, under your leadership. I learned a lot, and it's it's really uh and I can probably speak for my buddy Nick in there too. It's really helped to shape us as husbands and fathers and and believers as we kind of nav get older ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Absolutely. In full circle, uh, that's where me and Topher became friends as well.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

As I recall, you guys weren't all that good close of friends in the beginning because of both of you being very competitive musicians.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

As I recall, we hated each other.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Right, but it was that extreme one.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

There was uh there was maybe a 15-second conversation where we became besties like instantly.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah. So let me add a little, let me add some context from my perspective, okay? What it was is that I don't think that we hated each other. What it was is that our community of 18-year-olds, whatever that looks like, 18, 19-year-old musicians pitted us against one another because we were both league guitar players. Right. And so there was this like uh unwarranted competition going on. I remember it this way. One day I'm at the BSU, Nick Smith walks in the door and says, Hey, Topher, can I talk to you for a second? And I was thinking to myself, oh no, we're gonna like fight.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Mr. Cuffs, baby.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

And he he called me out, we walked out to the bridge out there, and he said, This is how I remember it. I don't know if you remember it this way, Nick, but you I I distinctly remember you saying, Hey, why do we hate each other?

SPEAKER_04 7:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

And I said, I have no idea. And he said, You want to be friends? And I said, Yes. And that's literally how the conversation went.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

I think that's exactly how it went.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Yeah, there's a spiritual lesson there for sure. How the enemy pits brothers against each other. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Yep. And here we are, you know, 20-something, some odd years later, and uh we're doing this podcast together. So it's ministry together. And ministry, and ministry.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Yeah, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

All right, so let's get into what we're talking about today. Enough preamble. We're talking about something that's a little bit sensational here. And you know, a little. We're not a sensational uh sensationalist podcast, but Dave Gunn, we gotta talk about this stuff because uh for years, for ever since I can remember, you know, I I you you the history channel will show a uh a show about alien abduction.

SPEAKER_03 8:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Ancient aliens, ancient aliens, uh, UFOs, and the whole the whole nine yards. Well, now uh with the declassification of a lot of files, it's kind of coming out that like yeah, there all this stuff does exist, but we don't know what it is. And you have some interesting theories that I'm that I'm um I'm keen to to hear about. I I think that um the the theories that you have about it is a growing one and that people are kind of kind of uh coming awake to this to this possibility. So give me your kind of 10,000 foot view of of w what this is, your opinion on what what this all is.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Sure. Uh and it's kind of like the proverbial elephant sandwich, where do you start? Yeah, right. I mean it's it's huge. Yeah. Uh you know, most people would probably take it back uh to the Roswell crash, yeah, yada yada yada. But I would suggest that it goes all the way back to Genesis. Wow. Uh and a deceiver. Uh and that I just tipped my hand as to to to where all this is going. Right. Uh, but it's nothing new. Uh uh, you know, the the whole ancient aliens viewpoint.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Uh, and we can we can chase that rabbit uh later in in the discussion, but uh from you know uh uh glyphs, uh ancient discoveries, how did they do this, you know, how did the pyramids get built, you know. Well, they had help, you know, the aliens helped them do it, yada yada yada, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Uh huge, huge following, huge interest in lots of people. And in just recent history, now we've got our own government saying, yeah, it's real, and we don't know exactly what it is, it's not ours, and it's not our advent adversaries, and their technology is way advanced farther than ours is. And if our government's telling that, yeah, that portion, then there's a whole lot more that they do know that they're not telling us. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

I think I think anybody would agree with you. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

And uh, you know, as far as UFOs or uh to use the modern vernacular UAPs, you don't sound like a nut if you call it a a UAP.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Unexplained real phenomenon.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Phenomenon. That's right. That's right. Uh as opposed to UFO, that you know, that kind of has a tinfold hat connotation to it. So anyway, uh with with uh with the broad perspective, uh people are are gaining more and more interest in it, and people uh are drawn to information. They want they want to know more. And it's so crazy how we've come to the point now where I think the general public, not necessarily the the church, the body of Christ, but the general public, if you ask them, are UFOs and aliens real, they'll say yes without hesitation. Uh simply because what they've been fed. And I I think, you know, I've heard statistics from lots of different people, and they say, you know, that 98% of what people see as a UFO is not a UFO, is explainable. Matter of fact, I remember one time in this very studio, you guys were up here working late one night and you spotted Venus, and they were like, Oh yeah, y'all, you guys called me and said, You need to look to the sky. And I looked and I said, Wow, y'all, you guys are looking at Venus, and it is changing colors and it's not moving.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Yeah, the the wind was blowing and the trees were moving, and it looked like Venus was like just scooting across the sky.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah, that's a classic example. And they say that that you know, literally 98% of what people see are explainable, but there's a 2% that is inexplainable. Uh and uh there are those who have what they describe as abduction experiences. Yes. Uh and and on and on it goes. And so um there's a growing interest, and uh I think it's important that the body of Christ, Christians, those who have a personal relationship with Christ, uh, and the church as a whole, pastors, yeah, need to be addressing this because I believe from the 10,000-foot range, uh, this is all precursors for the rapture of the church, the tribulation period, and the subsequent second coming of Christ at the end of tribulation.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Wow. Okay, so before we go off into the rabbit hole, yeah, let me ask you this. Why do you think um that's a little bit stigmatized in the church? Uh, you know, those of us who who trust and believe that the Bible is true and accurate, uh, everybody in this room, um, there's supernatural things that take place all throughout the scriptures. We have a talking serpent, we have uh a talking at one time. Uh you know, we have all kinds of things. We have even, you know, fast forward to Christ on the cross, we have the the the the tearing of the veil that was a supernatural event that people witnessed and saw and raising people from the dead. Raising people from the dead that people were moved by. Um why do you think it there's such a stigma about talking about these things within the within the church? Why why are we as believers not supposed to discuss these things?

SPEAKER_02 14:16

Sure. I I think it's kind of a two-fold uh issue. Uh one uh I think the general public uh considers it lunacy uh to some degree. Uh now that that that uh aspect is changing.

SPEAKER_04 14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

That that viewpoint is changing rapidly.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Uh, but for the longest time, uh they wouldn't they wouldn't consider any of that as legit, that it was just crazy, and it eliminates the spiritual side of things. Yeah. Uh the church itself, I think, uh, doesn't want to address it because they didn't recognize it for what it was.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Uh and again, later in our discussion, I'm sure we're gonna end up there.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Uh, but there's a spiritual element, and the world doesn't want to discuss the spiritual element. Right. They'll they'll discuss aliens from another planet, yeah. But they won't discuss the living God and a redeemer in Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Right. And I my so my my opinion of this, um, not to answer my own question, but I'm gonna please do my my opinion on this is uh that for some reason the church has been too can too concerned as of late with trying to convince people that we aren't lunatics. Yeah. And like, you know, my my pushback on that is like, when when has the world ever thought that we were anything but lunatics? That's good. But the world thinks that we're lunatics because of what we believe.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Well, they they see Christianity as this antiquated, yeah, you know, uh ancient religion that people are clinging to and the world's pressed on and we don't believe in it. I say lean into it. Absolutely. I say lean into it. Well, and they see it as a religion, and you and I see it as a relationship, and that's the big difference. You know, there's those who who say, I grew up Christian. And you can grow up Christian and bust hell wide open. Right. Your mom and daddy can't make you a Christian. That's right. You might have been raised by Christi with Christian morals and Christian standards of living, and you might have gone to the church and been involved in the church and all that, but apart from a personal relationship with Christ, you don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Amen. Uh I but I I I do think that that's the in my opinion, that's kind of where that's coming from. It's like we have um for so long, for decades at this point, tried to mirror the world in a in a way. Yes, unfortunately. By um becoming part of the culture as best we can. When it clearly says in the scripture, we are a set apart people, we are an unusual people. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Unless the King James says we're to be a peculiar. Some of us got that down.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yes, right, exactly right. Um, and so I think that at we as the church have been have become too preoccupied with looking like the world that we've forgotten that that's who we are we are to minister to. Right. Um, but also as a side note, uh the church has been guilty as of late in general of just not discussing tough things. You're right. And this is a tough thing. Like this is something that we we you know, we uh one of our kind of core values here on this podcast is bring is trying to bring people back to a place of logic and reason. Sure. And so for a lot of us to think about these things is like that doesn't make any logical sense, doesn't make any physical sense, it doesn't make any spiritual sense. It does, but we need to talk about that. But and so we don't want anything to do with it. Um but I think I think that there might be a logical explanation for what's going on if you're willing to entertain a spiritual connotation.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

That's that's the kicker. Yeah, you have to approach it uh from a biblical, spiritually holy spirit led and filtered, if you will, uh, through the scripture and through the Holy Spirit to truly understand what's going on here.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Uh because I'll I'll just put it bluntly, there are those who have had uh encounters and they're real. Yeah, it's just not what they think it is. Right. That's not little green men. It's not little green men. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

So what I mean and who can blame the public either? I mean, John 18 says that you know, his kingdom is not of this world. Yeah. Uh you know, all of this stuff is so outside of our purview.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Absolutely. We it's get it's some serious Ephesians 6 stuff going on here. Yeah, it's a spiritual battle on an unseen level.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Uh, and we're seeing people influenced uh and deceived. He's a deceiver, he's the master of deception.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

And so, you know, not to let the cat out of the bag, I guess we need to let the cat out of the bag at some point. Set him free. Your personal opinion. Okay, let's let's let's put a scenario out there. I'm I'm a I experienced some type of abduction, and I'm trying to explain it to you. Um what's your opinion as to what I've experienced?

SPEAKER_02 19:27

Well, I I would gently approach this because there's uh a possibility, I would say, as this podcast grows, a uh ever strengthening possibility that there'll be someone out there that says, Well, that's not my experience. I've experienced one. I have been abducted, I've had that experience. And so to gently approach that uh and not to diminish their experience at all, because it was legit. Yeah, and people have you know post-traumatic stress disorders and physical scars, right, all kinds of horrible, horrible experiences, and that's legit, it's real. Yeah. Uh but what it is is not aliens, it's demonic, it's fallen angels, it's deceivers. Uh, and their effort is to draw people away from the Redeemer.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

You weren't born and created by the living God to serve and to love Him and to be blessed by Him and to have a relationship with Christ. You were seated by us. And uh often these people uh that have had these experiences of quote abductions, they're legit. They they haven't necessarily been loaded up on a craft and taken to another galaxy, right? But they've been deceived to think that they have, it's been very real to them with physical uh effects, yeah, stuff removed from their bodies, scars and all that kind of stuff. But if you look at it from a pure spiritual perspective throughout scripture, we have people that were demon-possessed and their bodies were scarred and tormented and thrown in fires and chains wouldn't hold them and all kinds of stuff. In other words, supernatural supernatural, that's right. And uh even our own government now, uh, and more and more uh quote experts are getting farther and farther away from uh intergalactic travelers to interdimensional. Yes, they've always been here, right? And they're right.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

This theory is like uh you know, in the in the social media circles and the YouTube and TikTok and all these things. This is the prevailing theory now.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

It is it's surpassed the whole little green men in spaceships.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yes, yeah. So uh if that's the case, that's to me is is further proof or further evidence. I should say, not proof, but evidence that we are dealing with the spiritual world. Because as believers, correct me if I'm wrong, we believe in another dimension. You better believe it. God exists in all dimensions, but there is a dimension where God exists that we cannot see or perceive.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

And when I say you better believe it, that's legitimate. You better believe it. Yeah. Because Jesus Himself was interdimensional. All right. He walked through walls in the upper room.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Come on.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

He made his apostles interdimensional, traveling down a road, shares the gospel with a man on the side of the road, and then he is, to use a television term, teleported to another location. They watched Jesus ascend.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Right. We have a soul that at this at this time resides in this body, lives in this dimension that we are in. That's it. One day will not.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

Yeah, that's right. And uh so uh we are created unique and different uh from all of other uh creation in that regard. We can be redeemed, yeah, and these spiritual uh demonic forces, these demonic beings, to try to come up with an antithesis would be an angelic being and a demonic being.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Uh fallen angels and and faithful angels. Uh and they can take on physical form. Scripture tells us to be kind to strangers, for many have entertained angels unaware. There's a good possibility that those who are listening to this podcast or watching it have actually encountered angels and they didn't even realize that it was an angelic being when they were talking to them. Wow. They eat, uh, they speak, uh they present themselves in lots of different ways. I love how throughout scripture, uh, when an angelic, not a demonic, but an angelic being appears before a person in scripture, they usually say one of two things, either get up or do not be afraid. Uh, and so they're powerful things. And so on that same level, you've got the demonic being that are powerful beings. But the awesome thing is greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

And so, as a born-again Christian with a personal relationship with Christ, not Christian, but have a relationship with Jesus as a redeemer, yes, uh, they're powerless before us.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

All right, that brings up a good point because I I recently I watched a video and I wish I feel like I say this every episode, I wish I could remember who to attribute this to.

unknown 25:01

Can't.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Uh, but it was a uh uh uh um it was a guy who studies this this phenomenon, and I'm not sure if this guy's a believer or not, but he documents these cases, he interviews uh people who have had these experiences, and there's a certain percentage of those people who have cried out to Jesus during the experience, and he says that from his research, uh that percentage of people who who cried out to Jesus, every single one of those experiences ended immediately.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Instantly. It's the only thing that researchers, secular and spiritual Christian counselors, they all agree that's the one thing that'll stop it. You they don't call upon the name of Mohammed or Buddha or any other Krishna, right? It's the name of Jesus. And interestingly enough, even those who are not believers, right, have testified that in desperation they cry out to Jesus and they immediately flee. It's almost as though the creation longs for its creator in that way.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

Yes. If we resist the devil, he has to flee. Yes. Wow. That's so that to me, again, is further evidence. It's that's facts. Right. Yeah. That right, those those cases are documented. Those those cases have been studied and researched. That happened. Yes. Uh that's absolutely un unbelievable to me.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

I was watching, uh, there's an astrophysicist. Um let me see if I can pull up his name. I believe it's Hugh Ross.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Absolutely brilliant, brilliant man. And uh I remember him talking about that very thing, that the one thing that seemed uh uh without exception that makes these uh these encounters, these experiences stop is calling upon the name of Jesus. And that's just that's just to me that screams that is a spiritual battle that's taking place and not a it's not an alien.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Right. And you would think that somewhere along the way, these so-called experts, these these so-called intellects would put two and two together. And I think they do.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

But if they do, if they acknowledge that, they have to acknowledge the spiritual aspect of life. And if they do that, they're ostracized. And accountable.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

I have to answer to a living God if I admit there is one. So they will go to great extremes, all the way down to the Big Bang, and no, we can't tell you who lit the fuse. But I refuse to believe it was God. Yeah. Well, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Yeah, that's a that's a tenfold hat of their own.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Yes, it is, Nick. They you know it's it's it takes a lot more faith. It's an old threadbare cliche, but it's true. It takes more faith to believe there's not a God than there is that there is a God. Absolutely. Because there's overwhelming evidence.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Even you know, according to Romans, uh, even the earth itself screams, it testifies, and every man knows in his heart that there is a God, and they have to answer to him.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

But they will go to, you know, Stephen Hawking.

SPEAKER_04 28:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Uh, you know, absolutely brilliant man, and was in a discussion uh with Ben Stein years ago. Uh he came out with a documentary called Expelled, and it talked about uh how creation itself proves an intelligent design behind it all. And Hawkins finally had to admit, I would agree that there's a lot of elements that point toward uh intelligent design, but I don't believe it was the God of the Bible. That's amazing. Yeah, that's so they can believe that that we were seeded by aliens from another galaxy, but that sounds like hubris to me.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

It is it's um it's crazy. It's it's closed-minded.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

It is, it's extremely closed-minded, no doubt.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

Okay, so furthering along in this in this discussion about these experiences that people have, they're clearly experiencing something. Um there are people who there are people who see things, there are people who experience um the these phenomena. So we've already kind of established that um most likely this is of a demonic nature. So are I convinced it is? Are we dealing with, in your opinion, are we dealing with fallen angels? You know, there's there's there's talk of uh the word Nephilim has has been I mean, Nick, can you go anywhere on any social media and not at some point come across the word Nephilim in your feed?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

I mean, it is constantly in my reels.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yeah, yeah. Constantly. And everybody's trying to uh, you know, there's there's talk there's people deep diving the book of Enoch and the whole nine yards.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

But I don't think it's necessary to go to Enoch to find the answers.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Yeah, we have Genesis six, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:27

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Which, you know, the there are folks that that claim that uh the book of Enoch expands upon it, and um maybe so, maybe not. But we do have Genesis six that talks about why why don't we discuss the Nethilum here just to do that? So that's what I was gonna ask. Like, what what is your opinion on how they play a role in what's happening right now?

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Right. Uh Nephilim, or some people I've heard it pronounced a half a dozen different ways. Nephilim, Nethilum, whatever. Uh, but the gist of it is uh that uh these fallen angels came to the earth and saw the daughters of men and basically bred with them. Yes, and it produced uh uh a hybrid, if you will, uh and it progressed to the point where uh evil was constantly in men's heart. Uh but it also says that uh Noah in his generation uh was set apart from those people, and it was kind of like as a last resort, God says, we're gonna start over.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Scratch all of that, we're gonna start over and we're gonna do it with these. And that indicates that Noah was not a descendant of the Nephilim, if you will.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

And uh now that's that's a uh podcast, that's a an hour-long discussion just on that. Right. But Jesus says um that just as in the day of Noah, so will it be at the end of the age.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

And that influence of the demonic state of the world. Yeah, the the influence of the demonic over the world is happening now, right? And it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and they're going to greater and greater extremes, and people are suckered in. So if you're not spiritually in tune, you think, well, these creatures from outer space are going to come and save us in our final hour, they're gonna purge the earth. All right, so you're new age stuff.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

You reference Noah and God destroying the earth uh with water in order to um essentially start over. But the question is, why did they survive? If did did the Nephilim because uh where uh it's later on, I think in Genesis where um Moses is about to bring the Israelites into the promised land and they basically come back and say, No, there's giants there, right? The Anakim. Right, and it says, Um, correct me if I'm wrong, for the Nephilim were in were in the land before the flood and after. Right. So what's your opinion on how they how they how are they in the land after? And and or if they're in the land after, is that these disembodied, if if we're if we're gonna call them like disembodied spirits, is that what's kind of plaguing us right now? Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

Um, it's a great, great question, great point. Um and I'm not sure how to how to unpack all of that. Uh it's a lot. Yeah, it is. But the the gist of it uh is just as in the day of Noah uh and they were wiped out, uh Satan doesn't come up with anything new. Right. He he's not a creator, he's an emulator. Yes, and he he falsifies what the scripture teaches is God and says, I want to be like God, and I can convince that guy that I am God. Yeah he's he's always been a deceiver in the in the beginning, in the garden.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

He says, You want to be like God? Have a bite. Taste taste and and see, God just doesn't want you to be like him.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

Well, that was Satan's problem.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

He wanted to be like God. And so he he tempted him. And so as a result, there's the world flood and the Nephilim were were wiped out. Well, Satan's not he there's nothing creative about him.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

And he said, Well, it worked once before, let's try it again. Let's do it again, let's do it again. And so he it's presenting, it's m manifesting in a different way. Gotcha. It's not uh Goliath and his brothers, uh, it's not the sons of Anakem, it's not those giants that are presented in that way, although some there's a whole nother podcast, some would say Bigfoot's real and they're the Nephilim.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

But that's beside the point. Uh bottom line is the there's nothing new that Satan presents, and he's presenting in a new way, and it tends to show itself. He tends to tip his hand based on what the current thing is.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Ancient people uh built monuments to them, you know. There's these, you know, hieroglyphics and glyphics and and cave drawings and carvings into stone and all this stuff of here's a a guy that's clearly in a spaceship. Well, that's how it was manifested to them. American Indians saw canoes floating through the air.

SPEAKER_04 35:48

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Uh, you know, Christopher Columbus saw a light floating over the top of the water as he discovered the new world. You know, and on and on these things go. I think it was Alexander the Great said that he saw shining shields uh of warriors floating through the air. So they're manifested in different ways. In modern day man, the easiest way to dupe him is say it's creatures from another planet.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Intergalactic travelers.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Because that seems to be the the main question, probably over the last, I don't know, 70 years is are we alone? Yeah. Is there anything else out there? Yes, there is. You better believe it. Right. Those of us who believe and and follow Christ know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sure, there's a hundred percent. But it's not out there, it's all around us. That's right. Kind of all the time.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

That's right. Well, here's the question I have. Um, is there any biblical proof? I mean, angels fell at one time in in the early days. Is there any biblical proof to say that there's any current fallen angels or angels between that time and now?

SPEAKER_01 36:59

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Uh you know, as as far as uh scriptural saying, you know, that others have fallen, uh, I don't know that there's any scriptural evidence to indicate that. And angels are eternal beings.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Uh and not being created on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

I think there's a finite number of them. Yeah. I don't know what they are. Right. Uh, you know, and I don't know that scripture teaches that they are. I know that there's lots of different types of angels, lots of different levels of angels, seraphim, cherubim, and others, you know, and they're not this little, you know, cupid, you know, it's not an infant in a diaper with a bow and arrow with a heart-shaped head on it. You know, there's there's a lot more to it. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Yeah, that's ridiculous. Um yeah, that's a very good question. Uh I and I and I, you know, to be honest with you, I have never thought about that before. Like if if there was if there was a because the scriptures say that he took a third of the angels with him, right? Right. A third of the angels fell. Right. Well, that would indicate that there is a specific number because they're assigning a third. Yeah, absolutely. That's a great point. Um, and so I guess my personal opinion is that no, the the um the I guess you would say demonic forces that we have that are influencing us daily are the ones that we've had since the beginning. No doubt. No doubt.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

It's nothing's changed. It's it's the same enemy fighting God's prized creation, humanity. Uh, I believe we are alone in the universe. I I don't believe there's life on other planets. If there, if there is, they don't have a soul.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Uh, but I believe that God created the earth specifically and purposely for his pleasure, and he placed us on here uh on this planet to know him and to love him and to serve him, to glorify him. Yeah. Uh it didn't he didn't do it because he was lonely. Right. He did it because he loves us and wanted to create a special and unique in his image.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, let us make man in our image.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Yes. Us would apply more than one.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

But not more than one God, more than one person. That's it. That's it. A triune God. With our last like 10 to 12 minutes that we have, what is all this leading up to? Uh you alluded to it at the beginning. Yeah. But what is why why now? Why the uptick, uh, in your personal opinion, why why the uptick in all of these experiences? What is it pointing toward?

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I I believe that uh we're rapidly approaching uh the rapture of the church. I believe in a I've studied it a lot for over 30 years. I've studied uh end-time stuff eschatology, and for the longest time I'll I'll be frank with you, I was a uh pre-wrath rapturist. I believe that with semantics here. But basically, that is uh a mid-tribulation raptureist, and I always viewed it as you know, if the church wasn't spared in the first century, why would it get spared in the last century?

SPEAKER_01 40:19

I recall this uh because we had a lot of discussions about it. And when when uh when we were in school there, uh we had a second coming Bible study and we we learned all about mid-trib stuff.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Yep, we we looked at at pre and mid- and post and pre-wrath. We looked at all four, and I never would spell out which one I was because I wanted you guys to study the scripture and decide for yourself, but I'm not there anymore. I've matured in my faith in my study of scripture, and I'm convinced it's pre-tribulation and uh that the church is soon to be raptured as things escalate, and maybe some other time we can look at signs and and indications that we're rapidly approaching the rapture of the church, the the seven-year tribulation period and the second coming of Christ uh at the Battle of Armageddon and the new heaven, new earth, and all those wonderful things that are to come. But I believe we're rapidly approaching, and as a result, I think modern man wants answers, and they're being fed incorrect answers. Our own government is studying it and they're studying it to see if they can utilize it as a weapon. Right and they're falling prey.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Uh that it I can tell you what it is. You know, they say, well, you know, what about crash vehicles? Well, for one, there's no proof, there's no evidence that has been revealed to us that there is a crashed vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

Uh lots of hearsay, but but no physical evidence. Right. Uh are there alien bodies? No proof that there are alien bodies. You know, we've had recent hearings, and but according to the testimony uh at a congressional hearing a couple years ago, uh, we had a guy, a whistleblower, uh was asked, do we have alien bodies? Do we have what they call non-human intellects? Uh and his response was uh we have crashed, according to the testimony that's been shared with me, he says, quote.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Not eyes on.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

Yeah. I have been told by credible people that we do, and we do have biologics. Well, he doesn't answer the question, alien bodies. He says biologics. Well, that could be a bug on your windshield.

SPEAKER_04 42:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Uh that could be anything.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

Right.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Uh, you know, and so and all, you know, well, what about physical crashes? Well, what about uh a wheel within a wheel in the Old Testament? What about chariots of fire carrying away Enoch? Right, you know, so or not Enoch, uh Elijah. So the the bottom line is could there be a physical craft if if they wanted to create it? Absolutely they could. Right. Uh but the the gist of it is there's so much going on right now and it's escalating so rapidly that the enemy is trying to steer people away from the spiritual aspect and trying to make it an interplanetary being.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

And they're revealing themselves in ways that they the general public's getting duped.

SPEAKER_04 43:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

And I believe our pastors need to be preaching on this. Uh they're they are not friendly.

SPEAKER_04 43:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

They they respond to the name of Jesus. That's that's negatively. That should tell you something. They respond by fleeing.

SPEAKER_01 43:59

That's right. Which is uh that should honestly should tell you all you need to know.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Absolutely. You know, there there's people out there that that want to have a purpose in life, and often these visitations that they have by aliens tell them, you know, we've selected you for a great purpose. We have you lined up to share a mess message.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

But then they sexually abuse them.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Right.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

Uh, you know, that they implant them, they do all kinds of crazy things, you know, and these people are suffering and they're duped into thinking that I'm serving a wonderful purpose for humanity. You know, it's the it's a new age uh uh view that the world's gonna eventually get to the point where the earth will purge itself. That's that's as new age as it gets. And I believe I believe when the church is raptured, the UFO will land.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

I believe that what's gonna happen is is that the general public is gonna say, well, clearly they were good moral people and they got carried off to another planet, and as soon as we get our act together, we'll get to either go or they'll come back. We gotta fix things. You know, we we they're gonna make it a new planet, you know. Uh and the Antichrist just fits right into that. Everybody needs to get in line, everybody needs to work together here, you know. So I think it's an excellent way for the deceiver to deceive those who are left behind.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Yes. And it and your and to your point, it um with everything that's happening in the Middle East right now, yeah. Um, and again, that's a podcast, that's a whole we could have a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

You guys touched on that recently.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

We could have a Joe Rogan-esque podcast episode if we wanted to. To some extent. To some extent. To some extent. But uh, you know, for for the viewers out there, we won't do that to you, I promise you. But even with everything that's going on in the Middle East right now, uh the entire world is divided on Israel. Yes. And isn't that interesting that the uh the prophecies in Revelation have a whole heck of a lot to do with God's chosen people? Absolutely. One of the signs. One of the signs. So uh to your point, it seems to me that all of the unexplained phenomena, quote unquote, that are going that's going on, the war in Iran, even stuff like the Epstein files and all this, is all a major distraction of the enemy trying to pull the wool over our eyes so that we will not carry on with our Great Commission. I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

No doubt. Uh I'm I'm with you, Nick, and I'm with you, Topher. I I believe that the enemy is working hard right now. I think he realizes that his time is rapidly running out. Yeah. And he's going to great extremes. Uh, and just as scripture teaches us, you know, people uh will gather for themselves false teachers. Yeah, they want to have their ears tickled, uh, you know, false prophets, false doctrine, uh, deception coming and going in every direction. Yeah. Uh, and I believe that's just one of the many indicators that we're rapidly approaching the rapture of the church.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

And a quick uh jump in on the uh fact checking, uh, that whistleblower is David Grush.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

Grush. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Gotcha. Yep, got close. Um so man, I I just I feel like I feel like we should wrap up here and uh on this note that um if you are a follower of Christ and you're out there and you're listening to this, be careful that you are not deceived. Be careful that you are not distracted by all the things that are going on.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Don't dabble in that stuff. Right. You know, I I've just as another quick side note, as a warning to the church, uh most of the people, according to a lot of people that have researched this, Christian counselors and and whatnot, uh, there is an element of their life that opens them up to abduction. It's not abduction, it's it's an experience, but it's not an abduction, it's a possession, it's an influence. And they dabble, they they they spend more time looking into UFOs than they do into the scripture.

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Uh they're into tarot cards and and Ouija boards and the occult and you know, all that kind of crazy stuff, and they make themselves vulnerable, if not for possession, at least for harassment. Yes, yes. And uh what they need to guard them heart, their hearts for that.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

They need to be sharing the faith and digging in. I think that's a legitimate warning, and I think that that it um that it fits right in with everything that's going on right now in the world. No doubt. Uh I would be um we'd be remiss if we did not say, um, hey, look, if you're a believer out there, the only trust that you, the only person that you need to have your place your full, total, and utter trust in, not only that, but your full, total, and utter allegiance to is that of Jesus Christ. Amen and amen. And if you are out there and you're questioning all this stuff, you're not a believer, you're questioning all this stuff, we've just offered up a pretty doggone good logical explanation as to what might be going on around here. Might be time to check your heart. Might be time to um start asking questions about well, if if the whole world's going to you nowhere in a handbasket, what's the solution? The solution is Christ. Amen. The solution is Jesus. And you can the one and only answer. That's exactly right. And you can put your faith in him right now as you're hearing the words coming out of my mouth. So we pray that you would do so. And uh I just want to say, Brother Bruce, thank you. Thank you. Thank you not only for coming on the podcast, but thank you for your influence over the two of our lives over throughout the years.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Absolutely. Thank you. You guys have been a blessing to me too. Learned a lot from you guys, and it's been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

And we got we got many years to come. There you go. Um, unless the Lord comes back, and I'm looking for that to happen. Hey, even so come. Amen. Even so come. Um, for all of you who are listening, watching, supporting the podcast, thank you so much. Um, your support means the absolute world to us. If you would like to support us uh financially, um the reason that we ask you for your financial support on Patreon is so that we can get this out to more people. And not the words of of these guys, but the words of Jesus. That's the whole point for this podcast. Amen. Um, you can follow us at patreon.com slash tofer brown. And uh Nick Smith, love you, brother.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Love you too, brother.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

Love you all. We'll see you next time. Take care of one another.