The Lyric and The Light

If Rocks Can Cry Out, Why Not Code?

• Leena and Dionne • Season 1 • Episode 4

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What if the question isn’t “Can AI worship?” but “How do we worship faithfully when new tools enter the room?” We dive straight into the heart of a growing debate around AI-assisted Christian music, sparked by the soulful, chart-climbing work of Solomon Ray. Along the way, we share a joyful detour from Night to Shine, then get practical about ministry realities—like licensing hurdles, local creativity, and how tech can empower voices that don’t read notation or produce in a studio.

Together we draw a clear line: the Holy Spirit indwells people, not software. That means AI belongs in the instrument category, not the author category. We open Scripture to show how God has always used surprising vessels—a burning bush, Balaam’s donkey, a budding staff—not because the objects were holy, but because He is. From there we unpack what truly defines worship: alignment with God’s Word, the intentions of the heart, and the One to whom the song is offered. If lyrics exalt Jesus and call the church to truth, their origin doesn’t sanctify them—their faithfulness does.

We also talk craft and conscience: fears that AI might cheapen creativity, live performance versus studio polish, and why some songs labeled “Christian” still center the self more than the Savior. One of us shares how AI helped turn a poem into an original worship song for community events, avoiding heavy licensing costs while keeping the message scripturally grounded. The takeaway is simple and freeing: test every lyric, keep what is good, and let your worship be embodied, thoughtful, and bold. Tools should never replace devotion; they should remove barriers so more people can offer true praise.

If you care about authentic worship, creative integrity, and the future of church music, this conversation invites you to think deeply and respond with grace. Listen, share with a friend who’s curious or skeptical, and tell us where you land. And if this resonated, subscribe, leave a review, and join the dialogue—your voice helps shape what we explore next.

Warm Welcome And Life Updates

SPEAKER_03

Can I literally check off the spectrum? Can I single vertical?

SPEAKER_04

Can I live single lyric in the light?

SPEAKER_00

Lyric in the light. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Lyric in the Light. I'm Lena. Dion. We're so glad you're here. Yes. Yeah. So how's it how's it going this week? What's up? What's new and exciting in the land of Dion?

SPEAKER_01

Nothing new and exciting. Nothing's ever like exciting in my life.

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Nothing is exciting.

SPEAKER_01

I don't lead an exciting life, I don't think. No. I don't lead an exciting life.

SPEAKER_00

I got to do something exciting. Oh, yeah.

Volunteering At Night To Shine

SPEAKER_00

I went and volunteered at Night to Shine, which is it's it's started by the Tim Tebow Foundation. And it's basically like a prom for people with special needs and of all ages. And so I got to be a buddy. I got to dress up like I was going to the prom and it was hosted. It's it's at different churches all over the country, but the one I did was at VNC Valparaiso Nazarene Church here in Northwest Indiana. And it was so fun. I had a very, very cute partner. She was probably in her like upper 80s. She was the, I think probably one of the older ones there. And she was this teeny tiny lady named Susie, and she had a little tiara, and she she liked to buggy. She liked to get some.

SPEAKER_01

I saw so many pictures from it. It looked like it was a beautiful time.

SPEAKER_00

I'm so bummed that I didn't I didn't take pictures because I thought we weren't supposed to. Because I originally thought it was kids. So I was like, oh, that's why they don't want us to take pictures. But I guess it's because they can't, a lot of them can't give consent to well. There sure was a lot of pictures out there. There was. Yeah, they had photographers there capturing pictures. No, I haven't been like individual friends that I saw that had taken pictures. Yeah, they probably had volunteered before. So maybe it's that you can't take pictures if you have a child as your partner because they can't consent. I'm not really sure. But it did say that to not bring my phone. So I didn't, but I did have a wonderful, wonderful time. So that was my exciting thing that I got to do this week. I will definitely be back to volunteer for that. So if you have a heart for people with special needs, or even if you just want to come and find something to serve, I think I think it's just once a year, but yeah, fantastic time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I said next year, I think we definitely will.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So what are we listening to this week? And have you heard

Introducing Solomon Ray And AI Music

SPEAKER_00

any new songs that you want to share?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I was thinking we could talk a little bit about this wonderful gentleman whose name is Solomon Ray.

SPEAKER_00

Ooh, I love Solomon Ray. What do you know about Solomon Ray? What do I know about Solomon Ray? So I know that he is a his name is actually Topher.

SPEAKER_03

What?

SPEAKER_00

He's a real person. So a lot of people have some kind of uh thoughts about AI music, and I'm gonna share my thoughts in a minute, but just to educate some people who don't know who he is, Christopher Topher Townsend. He's actually an independent American rapper and songwriter, and he's a conservative commentator, and he ended up using AI programs to make music that is like gospel soul music, and it has risen to the top of the charts, and a lot of people have some feelings about it. About feelings. Yeah, they're they don't love the fact that people listen to AI worship music. Um, so yeah, some people have some feelings about that. What are your what are your thoughts about people using AI to help create worship music?

SPEAKER_01

I will admittedly say that I know you and I have been on the opposite ends of this discussion because I think originally I felt like

Can AI Create Worship Without A Soul?

SPEAKER_01

yeah, I don't know. Because okay, what what we're seeing out there right now and what they're putting out there like for commercials and acting and things like this is can you tell which is real? Can you tell which is fake when you're looking at a picture? And you can't really tell the difference, you know. So I think originally I felt like AI generated Christian music was not what? Was not a was not good, was not of a good thing, was not a good was not a good thing. It's not a real person, it's generated worship music, or I'm not a real person, AI doesn't have feelings behind it, a AI, you know, is is computer, is to me, is computer generated, it which it is, and I have been feeling like it's the computer generated AI person cannot lead praise and worship here. Maybe that that's kind of what I've been feeling is that this is a it's a s it's a soulless uh entity that's putting out Christian music and is that right? Is it right? Is it is it godly? Is it is it scripturally sound? Is it all these things that are making me feel you know?

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So your your argument is that AI doesn't have a soul or the Holy Spirit, so it can't create worship.

SPEAKER_01

That's how I was feeling.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so the the distinction is source versus instrument, right? So AI, you're right, it does not have a soul, it does not have the Holy Spirit or worshipful intent or spiritual discernment, but worship music has never been powered by instruments, which they use, and instruments don't have souls either. Hold the Holy Spirit doesn't indwell in guitars or pianos

Instruments Versus Authors: A Core Distinction

SPEAKER_00

or pro tools or notation software, microphones, rhyme dictionaries. Yeah, God has used all of those things to create worship that changes lives. AI belongs in the instrument category, not the author category.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that's an interesting that's an interesting fact right there, you know.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, yeah, I mean the whole so the Holy Spirit, it works through people, not through tools independently. So I'm gonna I have more to say about that, but I just want to make a point that like I just because a person sings worship music doesn't mean that they have the Holy Spirit, right? Some people have used Christian music as a platform to become famous so that they could pursue other forms of music, and we've seen people who started out in other forms of music see Christianity pop off instantly, and they've shifted over because they see that that's what's topping the charts because people are hungry for God right now, and so I mean, I went to go see, and I'm not saying Brandon Lake or Philbuckam doesn't, but that was a 15,000-person stadium that was packed, packed with people. So if I'm an artist and my genre is flooded, and I want to get ticket sales, and I want to reach a following, and I, you know, like that seems like an avenue that could be worth pursuing, and but it doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit won't get a hold of them while they're there. Right. I mean, I'm I'm I've been hesitant watching some people shift over into the Christian music space that were not previously in that space where I was like, is it really like are they really walking with the Lord? Are they really pursuing that relationship? But is it really my call to make?

SPEAKER_01

Here is the flip side to that, though, are these Christian artists that are starting out Christian and now they're crossing over? What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00

I think that it's

Motives In Christian Music And Crossover

SPEAKER_00

kind of the same. I don't I don't love, I mean, I for again, it's not my place to say what is really in their heart behind that, but you we have heard reports of Christian artists who are like, I don't really want to be considered a Christian artist and only a Christian artist.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Or I want to go down the country music avenue or the pop music avenue and and see what that has for me because I have other songs in my heart that are not necessarily in the Christian space, and I don't want to be boxed in to just being a Christian artist. I just want to be an artist, period. Yeah. And I, you know, that's between them and God and how he feels about that. But I mean, I don't want to see people abandon their faith as if, you know, they have to jump ship and and join the world. But if they're chasing fame or they're chasing money and clout and things like that, then I'm sure, you know, God will have something to say about that. He is the ultimate judge.

SPEAKER_01

So we're talking about Solomon Ray, whose real name is what Christopher Townsend. Okay. And you can look him up, and but he's got a song out right now called I Got a Song. Yes, that speaks to the AI side of him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I love so I love that song because I and we're I want to bring up a couple parts of scripture too, but I think we need to stop. My argument is we need to stop putting God in a box and saying like God can't use things like AI or an inanimate objects in order to do the things that he wants to do. Because I can, I mean, well, I could we could pop off with some scripture about opportunities that God has taken to use inanimate objects or whatever he wants to accomplish his objectives. So the first one I can think of is the burning bush in Exodus 3. God spoke to Moses through a bush that burned without being consumed. And that bush wasn't holy on its own. God's presence made it into a vessel vessel of revelation. We were not able to look at God straight on because if

Scripture Examples Of God Using Objects

SPEAKER_00

we were to ever God, we would die. We couldn't handle his majesty and his glory right straight on. So we had to have some sort of medium in between. It's why they created the tabernacle in Exodus, is that we needed to have a safe place to go meet with God, and not anybody could just look at God or go talk to him directly. God is holy, we are so not holy. So there had to be some sort of medium. Did you I think you found one too?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I did because it was one that you were telling me about that I kind of chuckled at, and I I actually did not know this story. So it's found in Numbers 22, and it's the story of Balaam's donkey. And it says that, you know, knowing Balaam's heart, the Lord's anger burned against Balaam for what he knew was Balaam's rebelliousness, and he sent an angel with a drawn sword to bar his way. Although Balaam couldn't see the angel, his donkey could, and she tried to discontinue the journey by going off the path, crushing Balaam's foot against the wall and lying down on the path. Angered by her behavior, Balaam used his staff to beat the donkey three times. Then in Numbers 22, 28, we learn that the Lord opened the donkey's mouth and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times? Then Balaam and the donkey proceeded to have a conversation about the situation, with Balaam angrily bereading the donkey, after which the Lord opened Balaam's eyes to see the angel and understand why his journey was stopped. There's long, it's read that passage because it's a whole story. And for me, it makes me think of Donkey and Shrek, you know, kind of talking to Shrek and being that, being that, yeah, you know, kind of spiritual guide to Shrek on the journey. But yeah, but uh a story I did not know. And yeah, so numbers 22.

SPEAKER_00

So yep, no, and another numbers, number 17, Aaron's staff that butted so a dead stick supernaturally produced blossoms to confirm God's chosen leader. And so God used an object to affirm calling, not the resume of the person. So we need to stop putting God in a box and saying, well, God can't do this or He or use that person or whatever you just because we don't think He can. God can do anything. If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you could tell a mountain to move from here to there, and it will. And so why do we believe that? But we don't believe that God could use something like AI to speak to his people. And I think that's just crazy. So in the song that you were talking about with Solomon Ray, I looked up the lyrics, it says, I've got a song down in my heart and a groove up in my head. If only I had the voice to match, I'd sing it like Daddy said. In the choir on Sunday morning, clapping loud on two and four, these words I feel coming through my chest, they're calling me to explore. So I found a tool, something

Lyric Analysis Of “I Got A Song”

SPEAKER_00

new. God led me to use singing his truth. So now I'm told I have no soul, since I didn't broken all the rules. My God gets the glory when all creation sings. If rocks can cry out to praise your name, then you can use anything. They say, Boy, that ain't real singing, just a fancy way to cheat. But they don't know what I've prayed for what I've prayed, or my heart goes off in this beat. See, the gift was always in me, but a band I couldn't afford. God just opened up the door hold on, sorry, for my song to strike a chord. Now I've got a tool, something new, God led me to use to sing his truth. Now I'm told I have no soul since I'd have broken all the rules. My God, when God gets the glory, when all creation sings, if rocks can cry out to praise your name, then you can use anything. If he used a broken bush or a burning bush, if he spoke through stones before, who are we to limit him? Let the whole church praise the Lord. That is so true. And that is my argument is that maybe maybe AI doesn't have a soul, maybe but words don't have a soul. We do right. The music that's playing in your church doesn't have a soul.

SPEAKER_01

Right for Solomon.

SPEAKER_00

He just used somebody else's voice, something else's voice, but he had he has the Holy Spirit when he wrote the words.

SPEAKER_01

And my argument for that is Christian artists or any artist, but Christian artists who they don't write their own songs necessarily. That's somebody else's lyrics that they're performing. So why is that any different?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because we don't know if the person that wrote those lyrics has the Holy Spirit in them. Right. We have no idea what their relationship is to the Lord. And truthfully, we don't have any idea what the people who we go to see whether they have a relationship with the Lord really,

Defining Worship Beyond The Tool

SPEAKER_00

yeah, because we don't know what's in their heart, only God does. But we are so quick to jump on the the ship with them, but we won't, but we won't believe that. I know when I'm singing these songs that I have the Holy Spirit and I am singing, and I and you, but you do have to, you do have to offer, go take it to scripture and and make sure that what the words are saying are biblically sound. So let's just talk about worship for a minute because some people have a kind of a confusion as to what actually worship is. So worship it isn't defined by how the song is generated, because it's defined by who offers it, why it's offered, and who it's offered to. So if a spirit-filled person prays, discerns, tests lyrics against scripture, chooses what stays and what goes, and sings with intention and reverence, then the worship is still coming from a human heart that's responding to God, which means AI didn't worship, the person did. So we talked about how, you know, in the in the biblical lens where a donkey spoke the truth, the stones were said to cry out, the casting of lots was used to reveal decisions, pagan kings were used to fulfill God's plans. Skilled artisans were filled with the God's spirit to create beauty, not sermons, which means God has never been limited to only working through explicitly spiritual mediums. The Holy Spirit doesn't need the tool to be holy, but he will sanctify the use of that tool, which is really cool. So I think what people are afraid of is that will AI cheapen worship? Will it replace human creativity? Will people stop seeking God and just generate songs? But those are pastoral concerns, not proof that AI is evil. We're so quick to be like, this is the devil's thing. But you know what? They said that about rock and roll once, too. Yeah, absolutely. That rock and roll me so much. Rock and roll was evil, evil, but now here we are. I mean, the we we're in we're in uh our I am serving in the banquet, the Indian Dunes Great Banquet, and the

Fears About AI Cheapening Creativity

SPEAKER_00

men's theme song is Mount Zion. It is March on to Mount Zion. That's a that's a rock and battle cry. It is a yeah, and there it is biblical, every single part of it. But it's but if our grandparents or our great-grandparents listened to that, they'd be like, This is the devil's music.

SPEAKER_01

And what you're saying is that song is AI generated until you hear my husband singing it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he did such a good job, he really did, he's made it come to not a nice easy song to sing. So I think that I think AI doesn't worship God and it shouldn't, but people do. So God's always partnered with human creativity when using tools that extend our capacity. When a believer prayerfully uses AI as an assistive instrument, testing the word, shaping the melody, submitting the result to scripture and community, the worship remains spirit-led because the person is spirit-led, and that keeps the Holy Spirit where he belongs in the human heart, not the software.

SPEAKER_01

I want to ask you something, but I don't want you to get mad at me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Are you ready though?

SPEAKER_00

Do you think probably not?

SPEAKER_01

What did you look up all that information on?

SPEAKER_00

Uh AI. Absolutely. Yeah. I think because I know what I want to say, but I am not as biblically sound as probably some other people are. But I think it had I had an argument with AI about it, and I said, You don't have a Holy Spirit. You don't have a soul. You don't have a soul. Tell me why I shouldn't I should argue for you as far as worship music. And I knew what my case was, but he actually was like the fact that you're, I mean, he I say he as if he's a person. AI actually responded that that the fact that you're even asking this, you're looking at it from the right angle because you you really want to seek answers as to what this is. And he and it argued even against itself, saying, I don't have a soul.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. I don't, I don't know. Here's my argument

Live Performance, Autotune, And Tools

SPEAKER_01

to it as well using AI is you could also Google search it. You could, I mean, you could crack open uh any books, you know, to still find information. Yeah, you know, I do think AI is no more than a tool, it's a tool to use. Yeah, you know, I mean it gives you a plethora of information. You can ask it anyway. Plethora. Plethora.

SPEAKER_00

Pletora.

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Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02

You could use a plethora plethora. That's like genere or genre. I say janir, and dad's like, it's a genre. Who says genere, you weirdo? Oh my gosh. I am not a very learned girl. We're a learned house of doctors. That's a nod to stepbrothers. Sorry. Another podcast. A background view. Maybe don't guess. I know. Sorry. Okay. That's funny, though. What did I say? I don't even know anymore. A plethora. Plethora. A plethora.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

A plethora.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Moving on.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't even know where we were anymore.

SPEAKER_01

What I'm saying, okay, then there's a multitude of answers on AI, on Google, any search engine you use. It's just a tool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's just like uh an I mean a tool, just like auto-tune. Have you ever gone and listened to some of your favorite artists? Because I know I know I've gone to see see some people live. And they cannot see. They cannot see. They cannot sing. No. Nope. They cannot. You can make me sound like Celine Dion with the right equipment. Yeah. You know, but then you go to see them live and you're like, this is not even the same person. But then, you know, I will give Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham this better live. Yeah. I think they sound even better live.

SPEAKER_01

And that's good to go see someone that you do hear them and they sound they sound so good. Yeah. You know, we just recently went and saw Toby Mack with Crowder and Jeremy Camp.

Personal Use Of AI To Compose Original Songs

SPEAKER_01

And wow, like I had no idea. I thought Toby Mack was just like the Toby Mack I remember being kind of the semi-rapper, probably the original Forest Frank. You know what I'm saying? And always thinking that when I heard him on videos and stuff, I was like, oh, he doesn't sound very good. He was great. He was really good in concert. Do you know that guy is 61 years old?

SPEAKER_00

You know what? I think that the benefit that Christian artists have to a lot of like pop artists is that they most of them started out as worship leaders in their church. So they were already very used to singing live and not, I mean, not pre recorded. They don't have to lip sync, you know, they were chosen to lead worship. worship because they had a lot of talent in that area. Do I have something on my face? No. Again? What did I do?

SPEAKER_02

I'm so sorry. I gotta gain composure here.

SPEAKER_01

It's an inside joke and I'm laughing now and you have no idea what I'm thinking. I have an idea of no idea what you're thinking. I'm so sorry. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Do you want to share with the class?

SPEAKER_02

I don't think it would be appropriate. I'm not sure. I have to go to the washroom.

SPEAKER_00

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02

The washroom. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

We're gonna we're gonna try I'm gonna try to pause this and if I can't you guys are gonna listen to me.

SPEAKER_02

You're just gonna listen to Lena then for a second. Okay. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00

The bathroom okay well you go ahead I'm filling I'm gonna I want I don't need to fill space I got lots to say about this particular go girl. Okay I will well is it number one or number two you know what this is a live podcast so you guys are getting the real thing so I think so so anyway so AI doesn't so I I just want to go back to that the AI doesn't worship and that people do and the I think we're not trying to replace God with efficiency. We're trying to remove barriers so that people can express and create and worship especially those who don't feel musical enough or they're not trained enough. I mean I'm certainly not trained enough to get up and lead worship but I do know how to write and I actually wrote a song for my daughter that I had written for a poetry book that I published please don't look it up because it's it's not great. But I just I wanted to challenge myself to be able to write a book in my lifetime. So I took a I I took a dare essentially and I wrote and published a poetry book. So when I found this software that this AI software that would m turn your words into music I applied my lyrics and I and I said this kind of the style of music that I wanted to sing and I was able to make a song for my daughter that's incredibly beautiful that

Licensing Costs And Ministry Practicalities

SPEAKER_00

I'm so excited about. And then I started kind of playing with it a little bit more and I was like I wonder what else I could do with this. So with Light the way being worship ministry we put on these concerts in in the park now in order to play Christian music that's already licensed music we have to pay for licensing otherwise we could get sued and that is very expensive in order to do that. So I was like I had this on my heart that I wanted to do this event called Echoes of the past where we essentially take biblical stories that we are all familiar with with like David and Goliath and the woman at the well and the feeding of the 5,000 and we do a stage production of these stories welcome back Dion I guess it was number one we do stage productions of these stories and we sorry she's la making me laugh and we do worship along with it but I didn't necessarily wasn't able to find songs that necessarily told the stories that I wanted to tell and then also I wanted to see if I wrote songs could I write songs that would tell these stories but also now I'm not gonna have to pay for licensing because these songs were not are not owned by anybody because I wrote them AI created the music for them and they have other computer programs that sorry she just brought me the decapitated head of one of my daughter's dolls that was in my bathroom.

SPEAKER_02

Sorry okay I'm sorry that's the giggles like the reality that's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sorry so it anyway so they so I was able to find to to create

Don’t Put God In A Box

SPEAKER_00

this music that I wouldn't have to pay the licensing fees for and it when then there's other computer programs that I could take that music which I just through the doll head by accident because I was talking so passionate passionately oh my gosh okay this is going really well so wrap it up sorry okay so that I could take that music that we had created with AI and I could pass it on to live worship leaders and musicians to to learn to play and sing. And that really no one would have known if I didn't just wrap myself out that I use an AI program to compose the music. I don't know how to compose music but I do know how to write lyrics and I do know how to read the Bible and I do know what stories I want to tell. So this allowed me an opportunity to do that and not have to pay licensing fees. So I do see a benefit as somebody in the position that I'm in to using AI programs as far as Christian music is concerned. And I personally don't believe in putting God in boxes which is a lot of the reason that I think God uses me to unite the body of Christ despite denominational differences because I don't limit him on what he can do what he will how he wants us to worship how he wants us to dress how it like why are we putting all this stuff on him that he never told us to he told us to love God with all your heart with all your soul with all your mind and to love your neighbor as yourself. Those are the two greatest commandments and and then to believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that the only way to get to God is through him to a belief in him and who he was and what he did and that

More AI Creators And Standout Tracks

SPEAKER_00

he rose again. And that is how you get to God everything outside of those things is an open-handed issue that we could sit and and lovingly debate each other on. AI is one of those things and I think anybody who doesn't at least open up their the possibility that God could use AI just like he can use literally anything else he wants to reach people that you're you're putting God in a box and that is not not you. I'm pointing at you because I'm talking to you and I'm getting mad those that people are putting God in a box that he is too big for.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. I have I have regained my composure I have literally been sitting here unable to breathe laughing so yeah I did want to point out also there is a a another ai creator out there called Christian music creations and they do a song called He rolled my rock some of you do know it but yeah look that one up to an amazing amazing song that I don't know the story behind Christian music creations but again I'm going to assume it's someone has a passion to make Christian music praise and worship music this is Christian rock but really really amazing song.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm not familiar with that one there's one that I'm gonna be playing at our women's conference called My Father's

Worship As Embodied Truth, Not Magic

SPEAKER_00

business I played it for you the first time you came over to report oh I remember that song just I mean I've listened to that song over and over and over and it's just so incredibly empowering about standing on your father's business and and the world could could start swinging at you and and you would just you're like I'm not moving. God's called me to a purpose yeah and I'm standing on my father's business.

SPEAKER_01

And I'm like yes and I definitely feel me and my I feel myself in that song like with what the things I'm going through right now with staying on this walk and this journey with him that you know I I definitely walk into a room chest out you know coming correct that this is my foundation you know and you are not going to rock that yeah you know heaven gives you an assignment and you're like I'm walking this out because I do what what God calls me to do no matter how you feel about it, no matter what the world says about it that I'm that I'm gonna be standing here.

SPEAKER_00

So I think that what it says is I which I think is kind of neat it says that the word the power of worship isn't locked inside the origin of the the story of the lyrics it's released in the embodiment act of worship. So the words can proclaim God's greatness they can testify to Jesus's sacrifice and love they align with the truth even if they were not birthed in a prayer closet so when but when you sing the spirit animates that offering the truth is confessed out loud and worship becomes relational not mechanical so the song itself doesn't have to possess the Holy Spirit because you do. Yes so in that that's deeply biblical because scripture repeatedly shows that God honors when truth is spoken even when the speaker's intent is imperfect confession even when the vessel's unlikely and praise offered even when the source is unexpected because worship is not magic it's not invalidated by the tool used to shape it it's sanctified by who

Test Lyrics, Seek Scripture, Use Discernment

SPEAKER_00

offers it and why so lyrics are language melodies are containers and the spirit moves through people so I think it actually like I'm kind of sticking up for God in my argument and saying that like he the Holy Spirit really that we aren't limiting him to whatever little boxes we like to put him in.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah and I I I mean I've come a long way with the AI since our previous conversations just between you and I and tonight I'm today tonight tonight tonight I don't know what's happening saying today this morning you've now I'm not gonna say you've convinced me but I I see a different side to it let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah I mean if anything it opens up a conversation yeah to go listen to you know and I'm this saying this more to the listeners than you because I do feel like you are doing kind of your due diligence as far as like giving it a chance give it a chance yeah take the lyrics and I'm not gonna say they're all gonna be perfect but you know what not every Christian song that's on the radio sung by a live human being if you took it to scripture right like lines up.

SPEAKER_01

Right right you know some with that person's heart.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah use that in your Christian songs they have nothing to do with worship. Yeah they they're about the person they're not about God. Yeah they're Christian themed songs right but they're not they they are not about Jesus they're about the the person that's singing them and maybe how they found Jesus or they or God got them through a certain thing or whatever but it's not worshiping the Lord it's not praising the Lord it is self kind of focused but it just falls under the Christian genre because they maybe they mention Jesus or they accredit him to certain things in the song but it's not really even about him.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I think if you open up your mind to like look at the lyrics and see what they're saying. And if you don't agree if you don't want to come

Listener Invite And Respectful Dialogue

SPEAKER_00

into agreement with what the words say then don't sing it. Right. Don't listen to it. Right. You know but if you do come into agreement when you sing those words out it's the same as if you were reading the lyrics off of a screen yeah and singing along yeah you didn't write those words. Right.

SPEAKER_01

You know but I agree.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah so listen to Solomon Ray let us know what you think of him and his music and look up the Christian music creations as well and let me know what you think and we'll post some we'll post some of the AI worship on the Facebook page because I'd like to share the a couple that I really like let the church say amen and my father's business I love those songs and and we'll share some Solomon Ray he's got so many good songs and on our Facebook page and you you know you let us know what you think about it. We'd love to hear it um as long as we just remained having respectful conversations I'm definitely down to you know hear what other people have to say and we don't always have to agree that's we don't always have to agree.

SPEAKER_01

That's the beauty of walking you know with brothers and sisters in Christ and we don't always have to agree on everything. No and can show grace.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah we just correct each other in love or talk about it in love and you know it's okay if we never agree on this particular thing or and or other things too right there's some things we don't know that's so true.

SPEAKER_02

Don't take this the wrong way don't misunderstand me.

SPEAKER_00

That happened in a conversation anyway so thank you guys for listening this is going to be a little bit shorter of an episode because we just wanted to talk on on this particular subject it's something that came up in a conversation between Dion and I and we were like you know what this is a this is a pretty popular topic of conversation right now amongst our Christian brothers and sisters and we just wanted to kind of put our two cents in and and we'd love to hear yours. So thank you so much for listening.

Closing Prayer And Sign‑Off

SPEAKER_01

We will see you on our next episode of the Lyric in the light oh we're gonna close out yeah I don't think that I don't think we opened in prayer though we didn't pray I didn't I don't think we did yet oh no but I'll close sorry thank you Dion it's okay Father God thank you for bringing us together today to discuss something maybe that's a little bit of a hot topic out there and you know we don't ever want to be unkind to each other or to anyone else and always respect one another's opinions and that we all do have a different look at things and that's okay. And the listeners may not always agree with everything we talk about or how we act or the things we do and say and use the bathroom. And yeah sometimes we have to go potty.

SPEAKER_02

Anyways Father God thank you so much just for just for being here with us and walking us on this journey that for us really is just to win more souls for you and to walk people to Jesus and to just be the hands and feet of your precious son so thank you for that and until next time in Jesus' name amen amen till next time amen to the Lord Lord amen we give it all to you God till next time till next time and then we take the oh sugar let me tell you I'm sorry this one talk about a poop show um okay so sorry I'm not deleting this episode I am loving very real I'm sorry this is a this is authenticity did I think that can a melee change your perspective can a single verse can a lady change