The Lyric and The Light
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The Lyric and The Light
Many Names, One God
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What do you call God when life gets loud—Yahweh, Father, Waymaker, Prince of Peace? We open with prayer and dive into the names of God, then trace how each name reveals something real: provision before the need, healing that reaches the heart, peace that stands inside chaos. Along the way, we share a raw adoption story that turns worship lyrics into lived proof—how a last-minute phone call, deep grief, and unlikely timing became a thread of providence that led to family, faith, and a calling.
We move from songs to Scripture, grounding the names in the Bible: Exodus 3 for “I AM,” Genesis 22 for Jehovah Jireh, Exodus 15 for Jehovah Rapha, Judges 6 for Jehovah Shalom, and Isaiah 9 for Jesus as Wonderful Counselor and Mighty God. We wrestle with the hard parts too: how to talk about the Trinity with kids, why some Old Testament laws feel distant, and how personal convictions still matter without sliding into legalism. Psalm 22 reframes the cry “My God, my God” as both anguish and fulfilled prophecy, inviting skeptics to see the surprising coherence of history and hope.
Stories make truth stick, so we talk about The Chosen and House of David as on-ramps to curiosity—seeing Jesus laugh, weep, and challenge His friends can pull you back to the text with fresh eyes. If “Father” heals you, use it; if “Yahweh” steadies your breath, pray it. Let the name match the need, and expect God to meet you with presence, provision, and peace.
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Opening Prayer And Names Of God
SPEAKER_00Jehovah. Jehovah Easy. Jehovah Row. Jehovah City. Anyway. King of King. Mighty name of Jesus. Everlasting God. These are all different names for God. What do you call him? Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you so much for this time together.
SPEAKER_01Whatever name you are called by, it speaks nothing even close to your greatness and your glory and your majesty. You are all there is. You are the beginning and the end of everything. And we love you so so much. Bless our conversation today as we approach you. As we approach your feet as your children. We love you so much. Jesus' holy name. Amen.
SPEAKER_00Amen.
SPEAKER_01I didn't realize
Teaching Kids The Trinity And Names
SPEAKER_01he had so many names.
SPEAKER_04There's so many different names. My husband and I were recently at a wedding that between the two, they were blending their family. And between the two of them and their small children, they took time in their wedding service to just list the names of Christ. And it was so beautiful to hear the little kids, yeah, you know, saying names like Yahweh and you know the bigger names.
SPEAKER_01You know, I mean, good job, mom and dad, for teaching them that many names. I don't know. It was beautiful. I don't think Arya knows even like a fraction of these. It was beautiful. Just God and Jesus. Yeah. And I don't even know that she fully understands like the Trinity aspect of it because you're like, some of these are God, some of these are Jesus. So then how do you explain that they're the same but they're different? The three-in-one concept.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01We talked a lot in our last episode about putting God in a box that he's too big for. And I think with the Trinity, I mean that kind of does the same thing. You know, we want I I it's so much bigger than we could possibly understand because as human beings, you know, we can't relate. Probably the closest thing we have is we have a body, Jesus, we have a Holy Spirit, we have a soul, but we're not God, you know. So we have two of the three.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
Worship Songs That Name God
SPEAKER_04There's so many songs out there, too, that I was looking up on different names for him. And one from so long ago, El Shaddai by Amy Grant. Have you ever heard it?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_04She sings it even in Latin or Hebrew or whatever, some of the song, and it's it's so beautiful. By Elevation Worship in Maverick City, Waymaker by Passion, King of Kings by Hillsong, and Mighty Name of Jesus by Hope Darst. There's so many more, you know. I just wanted to toss a few of them out there. I think you had scripture on some of the names, didn't you?
Scripture Behind God’s Names
SPEAKER_01I do. I was just I I know that uh they have Elevation Worship actually has a song called Names of God. Oh, and so they they actually go through they go through the list. Okay, but just to just to name some of the ones that they talk about. So I am is is God is is self-existent, eternal, unchanging. In Exodus 3.14, he tells Moses when he said, you know, who am I supposed to tell them? Like, how are they supposed to know who you are or whatever? He said, Tell them I am. I am, and so he is the great I am, and Jehovah Jireh, the Lord who provides, God sees the need before we feel the lack. So in Genesis 22, 14 is Jehovah Jirah, and then Jehovah Rapha, the Lord who feeling for body, soul, and heart, Exodus 15, 26. Jehovah Shalom, the Lord is peace, peace and chaos, not the absence of trouble, in Judges 6, 24. Jehovah Nisi, the Lord is my banner, God is our victory and covering, Exodus 17, 15. Prince of peace. We hear a lot at Christmas time. Jesus is the ruler who brings wholeness, Isaiah 9.6. Mighty God, strength, authority, power to save, Isaiah 9.6 and faithful God, steady, trustworthy, never failing. Lamentations 3, 22 to 23. Beautiful.
SPEAKER_04You just mentioned that song by Elevation Worship, names. I'm sure this wasn't meant to be a name, but it opens up the very first lyric is you are the medicine, the only cure for everything I feel within. And I'm sure nobody's calling him medicine, but I thought that was pretty. But everlasting father, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor. So many, uh so many names that we have for him. What what do you what do you call him?
SPEAKER_01Heavenly Father is certainly in prayer. God, Jesus. You know, I
What We Personally Call God
SPEAKER_01don't though those are probably the two. I don't know that I I've called him dad once, and it was when I did the the chair exercise to put the chair. Go ahead and tell the way I well, I think I told it on a previous podcast, but I had seen on TikTok that somebody had suggested, I think it was a pastor, had suggested taking an empty chair and placing it across from you and just sitting in his presence, just kind of imagining that he was in the chair, and you told me about it like the head in the lap or whatever. But I just imagined he was sitting across to me and it was really early in the morning, and I sat down with my coffee, and before I'd even sat down, it was a puddle of tears. And then I just was like, hey, dad, you know, and part of that might too also be a little bit of a bleed over from the fact that I lost my dad um not too long ago. So I miss him terribly. And I'm so grateful that I have a heavenly father now to fill that space so that it doesn't feel empty. My entire family has passed. My mom, my dad, my sister. I'm the only one left in my family, which can feel really lonely sometimes. You feel like a little bit of an orphan. So I am so eternally grateful that I have a heavenly father to be my
Father Wounds And God As Parent
SPEAKER_01parent here on earth still, that I can go to, that I can sit across from. But that's what it felt like. It felt I was just like, oh God. Like that's so important because even losing your father, but the ones that are out there right now, their father's alive, not in their life, or treat them badly, or made bad choices or incarcerated or dealing with addiction, yeah, or just treat their kid like crap. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Even as adults, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04My own daughter's father never wanted to be in her life. You know, so she liken she likens his being alive still to lonelier than had he passed. You know, at least she could grieve grieve him somehow, you know, where he's alive now and doesn't want anything to do with her. I can't imagine that. So I am grateful that she does have God, and I hope that she looks at it the way you do, is what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, that you really your story speaks to those out there that don't have or have lost their their dad, you know, their father.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's now that you're when you're talking about your your daughter, I'm thinking about my own because my daughter's adopted. So I'll again have to share that story another time. But I think about my daughter and like that her biological mom also was just, I mean, granted, she it wasn't, I don't I don't think it was a selfish choice. Her mom
Adoption Testimony And Providence
SPEAKER_01had initially planned to terminate the pregnancy, and then she remembered that she knew someone who couldn't have kids, and she graciously offered to carry the baby and let us adopt her because she did not want to pursue being a parent again. She'd already raised her kids, she was 40, she just wasn't that was not a path she wanted to go down, and she had one partially working ovary. I'm gonna end up sharing the story. I didn't mean to. We're meant to talk about the names of God, but this is just kind of leading me in that direction. So I apologize that I'm kind of just jumping in with Aria's story. But her her mom had had kind of a wild birthday weekend, and she made a she made an error in the bathroom. I'm gonna call it error because my daughter came out of it, but she had a she had a a little tryst in the in the bathroom with a a gentleman who was in a relationship, she was in a relationship with somebody else. She had one partially working ovary, and that was that was what happened. And when she left Sean that hung on for life there was Aria, and thank God for it. I mean it's uh so fitting if you know her that that that that's exactly who she would be. Yeah um that she's such a fighter. So she's uh so she ends up going to terminate the pregnancy because she doesn't want to start do start over, but God sent this person who does not follow him a vision of my face at the abortion clinic and was just like, remember this person who you just happened to meet a year ago, very briefly. She was my trainer at a job, she was a hot mess, and I gave her rides to work, right? As I was going through infertility stuff with my husband. And so we would talk about her crazy life, we would talk about my inability to have kids. We I gave her rides for like two weeks, and then she moved away, and we lost touch with each other. Well, then this happens. God sends her this vision of my face, and she steps out of her appointment and she called me and she said, I know you can't have kids, but if I'm I make healthy babies, if you want this baby, come pick me up. I don't even know who it belongs to because she had had multiple partners that weekend, and so she wasn't sure. And I think she knew, but like didn't want to say initially, but she that's what she told us. So I went and picked her up, and then over the next few months, just kind of helped, you know, get her to doctor's appointments and get her, you know, food when she needed it or whatever, she whatever she needed. I told her was I would help take care of her. And and then also during that time, my daughters, I I went to the hospital bleeding out from infertility problems. And while I was waiting to see if I needed to get a blood transfusion, there had been a car accident right here on 6 and 49 outside of Porter Hospital that I had seen on my way into the hospital. And they said, you know, there's only one doctor on the floor at this time, you don't need a blood transfusion. We'll give you a shot of progesterone, call your OB tomorrow to we'll stop the bleeding for now, but you're gonna need to get some help. And they said that they, if I'd probably saw the accident on my way in, but that the gentleman had passed. And when I got home, it was like probably two or three o'clock in the morning. I get a phone call from my daughter's biological mom saying that the gentleman that had got her pregnant in the bathroom that day was the gentleman that had died in the hospital, or he we died in the car accident, but he was in the hospital with me. Oh my gosh, as I'm bleeding out from infertility problems, waiting for a baby he never knew he was gonna have. And so, anyway, so fast forward, we we ended up they end up, she ends up having Aria and she she ties her tubes and she moves on. And she told me before she left, she's like, You're mom now. Like, I unless she has a mental breakdown and absolutely has to talk to me when she's like 16 years old. I do not want to have a relationship with her, like that. You are mom, and weirdly, my daughter is could not look more like me if I gave birth to her myself. She is my twin, not just in appearance, but in behavior. She is she looks like me, she acts like me. We are soulmates, absolutely born to be together. And she is such a blessing from the Lord, and she's actually how I got saved. And then because of that, I have we have the ministry now, and I tell her all the time, I'm like, you are responsible for all of this, for the the my whole walk with the Lord is it came through you. God used you to save me, and and I and I saved you by saying yes, her mom didn't abort her, and so you're here, and now we together we have a ministry as a family that we try to help save other people and bring other people to Jesus, and it has been such a huge blessing. But I think about what you said about your daughter and having a father that doesn't want her and how that affects her and how sad that is, and I'm like, I wonder if Aria is gonna feel that way about her mother, and then
Waymaker And God’s Faithfulness
SPEAKER_01not having a father like the her biological father because he passed, and how grateful I am that God has provided parents for her that really do just value her to such a crazy degree, and how much we love her. And I'm also grateful that she has God to turn to in those moments that was as she gets older and more aware of her reality and what happened, that she'll be like, even if something happens to my adopted dad or my adopted mom, that I have such a strong foundation in God that I know that I have heavenly parents.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I pray that for that for sure. Yeah, through that whole story, though, I'll in my head I'm going way maker, miracle worker, promise keeper, light in the darkness. And yeah, through that whole story, he fulfills each one of those words.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yeah. He was because there was, I mean, there was no there, I have no medical reason why he can't have children, but they were like, you like it, it just wasn't happening. And I but he he pro kept his promise. He he provided right a child for me and he made a way for her, he made a way for me, and yet was my light in the darkness. It was her light in the darkness because she could have never been born and I could have lived my whole life never having been a mother, and what a loss that would have been for me, because I can't think of a role in my life that I have ever had that has been more fulfilling and more meant to be me. Yeah, I love being leader in our ministry, I love being a wife, I love being a friend and a daughter, but there is no job that I love more than being a born for that.
SPEAKER_04I love that. We're both just sitting here looking into each other's eyes. Lovingly, lovingly. I love this story. I love that story though. I really do. It's it's beautiful. For me, I think when I pray,
Breathing Prayer And Yahweh
SPEAKER_04he's Father God. But I also to me, he's Yahweh. And I don't know, I I mean, I know Yahweh means you know, God or whatever, but I just I wonder what the bigger background on Yahweh is. But I I do this thing where I say, you know, take a deep breath, let the air out, but you breathe in Yah and you let out way. So with each breath, in and out, Yahweh, Yahweh. And I find he's Yahweh for me when I'm stressed or sad, when I feel anxiety coming on, he is Yahweh during prayer, Father God. I struggle with dad. I don't know why, I'm not sure. A friend recently told me too that she often comes to him as daddy. And this might sound weird, but I'm just being me, right? Daddy to me has always been kind of a sexual thing, like daddy, like your daddy, you're you're I'm sorry. I'm just being myself. It's a weird word to me.
SPEAKER_01I don't know why it no, I'm well, I mean, people have probably like I don't know, like bent it. It's weird. Probably didn't, and it never was intended to have that connotation uh to it, but people have used it and and manipulated it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and we begin a prayer and she said daddy, and I I probably started laughing. I think I did sort of chuckle. I was like, this is weird, yeah. Um yeah, so I I hear something else, I've envisioned something else, it doesn't, it doesn't sit with me that that name. Dad maybe okay, but yeah, daddy sort of throws me. Yeah, I don't know why.
SPEAKER_01I've been calling him any a lot of these names would probably throw me, not because of of any kind of like sexual connotation attached to them, but I mean I wouldn't go Halloween. Yeah, and he had said one that I almost like chuckled. I'm like, I would never call him that. And you know, I and it just wouldn't, it wouldn't, and it's not that he's not that, right? But I that does not seem, I mean, to me, what is that? That's probably a Hebrew word or or Aramaic or something, but it's not it. I mean, that's what Jesus said on the cross, Elohim, Elohim, when he was like, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Like, that's so I am I don't speak that language, it wouldn't be natural for me to call him that. It would it would feel very performative, but I do recognize that that's his name. So this one says, for Yahweh, it says, I am who I am, God's personal covenant name, self-existent, eternal, unchanging, Exodus 3.14.
“My God, My God” And Psalm 22
SPEAKER_01So that's what it says about Yahweh, but it is that breathing in, breathing out of, and that in every oh, with every breath you say the name of God. Everyone does. On every lip, every tongue will confess.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01His name.
SPEAKER_04That one that you had mentioned though, the Elohim, the when he's on the cross, and he says, Is it Eli? Eli Elohim.
SPEAKER_03Here he says Eli, Eli, Lima Sabakhani. Eli Eli, Lama Sabak the Hani.
SPEAKER_04Um the Indiana Dunes Great Banquet, there is a part of the weekend where someone on team reads from this part of scripture, and it's in whatever that is, Hebrew or Latin. And I had to read it one time, and it was in the different language. And do you know when I started reading it, I started sobbing. It was as if you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, it was I was just overcome with I mean I mean sadness probably for the the scene that that's there, but just speaking it out. I was feeling at that moment, even in my life, I was going through something over the weekend that that weekend. Yeah. And as I started reading that, I was sobbing. I was sobbing, feeling for him, and then also my own cry out to God and the things that I was going through at the moment. It was such a powerful moment for me.
SPEAKER_01So I so somebody had said I somewhere that I think it was like some some one of the pastors on Caleb or whatever, that he had shared that his belief behind that scripture is that God Jesus was actually quoting Psalm 22. Because if you read Psalm 22, Psalm 22, one, my God, my God, why have you abandoned me, forsaken me? Why are you so far from my deliverance and from my words of groaning? My God, I cry by day, but you do not answer. By night, yet I have no rest, but you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel. Our ancestors trusted in you. They trusted and you rescued them. They cried to you and were set free. They trusted in you and you and were not. Disgraced, but I am a worm and not a man, scorned by mankind and despised by people. Everyone who sees me mocks me. They sneer and shake their heads. He relies on the Lord. Let him save him. Let the Lord rescue him, since he takes pleasure in him. So his argument was that in this psalm, which I think if I go even further down, they talk, he's basically, this was this was years and years, like hundreds of years before Jesus was ever crucified, before crucifixion was ever a form of punishment. There is a psalm that was written that describes Jesus' crucifixion and how they made lots. So when he says that I he relies on the Lord, let him save him. If you remember, the Pharisees were like, let him save himself if he can. If he's really God, he can come down off of this cross right now. And they were talking about casting lots and and doing all these things. So when Jesus cried that out, it wasn't that he was asking God to save him in that moment. He was reminding the Pharisees that this had been prophesied. And you who has this memorized because the Bible didn't exist back then. You should have this scripture memorized. So you should remember that this was that this whole scene right now was prophesied hundreds of years ago, down to the casting of the lots that that this was gonna happen. And that they should have it should have like hit a light bulb in them that like I am who I said I am.
SPEAKER_04Right. I'm also reading here though that it does say while expressing a feeling of being forsaken, it is seen not as a permanent abandonment, but as a deep temporary separation felt while bearing the weight of the world's sin. And it does say that that it it could be interpreted as a moment where Jesus experienced the separation from God caused by human sin, offering his suffering for humanity. So whether in fact it was yes, you know, the the reflection on the past and and what was what he was quoting, but also we know in his humanness,
Prophecy, History, And Doubt
SPEAKER_04he surely felt anguish. I mean he was he was hanging on a cross.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04Nails piercing him. Obviously, he was in anguish, you know.
SPEAKER_01Right, but I don't think he ever felt for a moment that God had forsaken him, yeah, or that he had abandoned him in any way to be up there. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Because I think he knew why he was here, but he also questioned him several times. I mean, when when he prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, he he questioned God. Why, if if if you can take this cup from me, take it. You know, he qu he questioned him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I think there was still some uh uh I want to do this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, I don't think he wants to get lost.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's what I'm saying though. But you were saying whatever, yeah no, that he just completely he did know, of course, but I'm saying I think his humanness felt right. I want to do this. Are you sure I have to do this? Fully God, fully man. Yeah, so the God in him knew absolutely that what he had to do, but the man in him was afraid. I don't, yeah, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Do I have to do this?
SPEAKER_01But I still I don't know. And I guess like this, we talked about yesterday how we're like, it's okay to disagree about things. I still I I guess part of me just doesn't believe that he felt abandoned by God in that moment. Yeah, that he was just like, I mean, obviously it hurts. Yeah, he took on the sins of the world from the past. He knew his mission in life. He was born and bred to be a sacrifice, you know.
SPEAKER_04But we know he still had human feelings, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01And still felt things, so I think he needed to in order to be like the the per the perfect person, right?
SPEAKER_04Or as I say, the perfect example, and then also by being the perfect example, though, we do know that in his humanness he did feel anger, sadness, rejection, you know, because she was rejected by many, yeah, you know, so yeah. But yeah, that's a that's a rough bit of scripture for me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, go read, read the whole of Psalm 22. I think that's that was one of the biggest like eye-openers for me to see and it was a thousand years actually before. So it said Psalm 22 is written by David about a thousand years before Jesus, yet it reads like an eyewitness account of the crucifixion centuries before crucifixion was even existed as a Roman execution method, which is so unbelievable to me. And I I it just I sent that to my my Jewish best friend Jill when I was kind of talking to her about Jesus, and we were talking about all the all of the different prophecies that he fulfilled and how like impossible it would have been for him to be able to do all of that, even a fraction of the things that he did. And how because I love stuff like that, even whereas we're going through Ezekiel and he's prophesying about things. I know Ezekiel's not our favorite book to read, and I'm not gonna lie, we're struggling through it, but we but he does he does prophesy things that happen, right? And and I love that. And Stephanie, who does the Bible study with us, she is a history buff and she's a teacher, and so she's just like, I love when the Bible calls out history, so I'm it's I I think things like that are really neat to the two of you have been so helpful to me though on this Bible journey because yeah, I mean you guys know it, you guys will riff back and forth, and I'm just kind of like, I'm here, I'm listening, like only with Ezekiel, though. Usually we're you're you're pretty much in it with us, but Ezekiel's hard. Struggle with that, it's hard. People don't like to talk about that. We it's God's breeds
Old Testament Laws And Jesus
SPEAKER_01word, and I'm not disrespecting it at all. But there are books of the Bible right now. I always said Exodus is my favorite book of the Old Testament. I don't know that that's true because I just had to read it again. I'm doing a read the Bible in a year thing, and the first half of Exodus is amazing, amazing. But then once you get them, you know, to where Moses is now, you know, giving the the rules and the measurements of the tabernacle, cubits, and the oh my lantern, and uh the you know, how you have to take care of food and how you have to be clean. So now we're in Leviticus and they're talking about you know, women have to go away for so many days to be ritually clean again, and and all the things. It is hard. I mean, I find my eyes just wanting to jump in.
SPEAKER_04The lineage ones, too, where they're going to get there.
SPEAKER_01All the um numbers, Deuteronomy. I find like I'm like, let me out of here. Like, let me just get past these and get into the stories because the stories, I mean, Bible tea. There's no tea like Bible tea. It is, those are some stories, man. You get into David, they think there's no one story about the lady who shoves a tent spike through that guy, she gives them milk to get him to go to sleep, and she just nails him with a tent spike. The girls getting their dad drunk and have plus smokes, incest.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, there is everything in the Bible. So if you're looking for some reading material, serious dip on it.
SPEAKER_01It's not boring. I mean, there are definitely books that are a little bit of a snooze fest. I'm not gonna lie, but it's I I understand that it's important to read it, and so I'm reading it, yeah, but I would be a liar if I said that I was not struggling because it is hard, especially because a lot of the Old Testament stuff, I mean, as far as like ritual cleanliness of food and things like that, really doesn't have a lot to do with the world that we live in today. The only thing I can say is that it does show how holy God is and how you have to approach him with reverence and you have and he re and he requires this level of perfection that's almost impossible to reach, which is why we're so grateful for Jesus and his sacrifice for us so that we have a way to approach God without having to. I mean, I think what is Moses telling them now, like you have to take like a sheep into the tabernacle and you have to kill it with your bare hands and rub its blood on the side of the altar. I don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And wash its internal organs. You're like, I don't want to, you know, no way, man. I don't even I don't even want to accidentally run over a squirrel. I'm certainly not squishing a the head of a goat or whatever.
SPEAKER_04I struggle with the old testament things though, and something that you just said about think thank thankfully Jesus, you know, came and some of that stuff was changed and left in the in the past or left in the old testament. My husband and I just had a conversation about because me, why why why left in the old testament, but other things were brought forward. You know what I mean? Like I get stuck on well that people want, well, that was in the old testament. Well, so was this, but we still are supposed to do it. And you know what I mean? But other things like I feel like we picked and choose what we brought from the old testament forward.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Well, certain things, I mean, at least with with what I'm reading right now in Leviticus, where they they're talking about the how to clean animals and what not to eat and what not to do, they didn't have the medicine that we had. They didn't have a lot of the products that we had, like he the rules that he was giving them about what to eat, what not to eat, how to clean things was often to spread uh because it would have spread disease, it would have killed people off. And he wasn't trying to do that, he was trying to preserve them. And so that's I think a lot of that was not just about approaching him with holiness, but also to preserve his people. And now some of that stuff has been negated by the fact that we have modern medicine and we process food differently and things like that. So we we've come a while away. So some of that we could leave behind, but we also, you know, Jesus was the ultimate atonement, the ultimate sacrifice. And if you believe in who he is, then then you and and what he did and that he rose again, you you know, and you're saved through that belief, then you don't have to do all the other things. Also, I think he used a lot of the stuff, the rules that he gave them and the things that they had to follow. Now, some of them I believe that they added on, you know, it further down the road or whatever. That I don't know that wherever God's word, he they the pre Pharisees added more and more and more rules. But really, a lot of that, too, I think was meant to be a mirror to show us how unclean we were and how it never would have been possible without Jesus. Right. There was no way that somebody could follow that many rules forever and ever. It's that we were never gonna be clean enough, we were never gonna be holy enough to approach God, certainly not as a whole people. Think of all the people in the world, we're all gonna follow all those rules all the time. Like probably not. And even only uh
Personal Convictions And Freedom
SPEAKER_01Aaron and his sons were permitted to go into the tabernacle and to approach God. Yeah, I they had a lot of the the women couldn't at all, like priests had to go in there and make the sacrifices for them. So, like, what was gonna happen to all of us, right? You know? So I think that was part of the approach of that.
SPEAKER_04But I mean there's just so many little things, like uh, somebody will say, Well, I don't eat pork, and it's like, why? Well, because it was in the old testament that you shouldn't. Well, it was in the old testament that I wasn't supposed to dress this way either.
SPEAKER_01You're not allowed to wear two different types of fabric, yeah, or whatever.
SPEAKER_04I I get confused by things like that. I'm like, nah.
SPEAKER_01And I think that's one of those, like where we talked about last week or whatever, or it was last week or the week before, we talked about Romans in Romans that Paul talks to them about how you can't judge another person's bond servant. So, like, if somebody feels a conviction about not eating pork because it they follow the Jewish traditions, because Jews still to this day they're not sure.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, these are people who do not follow Jewish traditions, they've just decided they decided that they're not just not eating pork, and it says that in the Old Testament.
SPEAKER_01Right, that they're convicted about that particular thing. We can't say that they're wrong or right if God or something, the Holy Spirit, whatever is convicting them that that's something that they need to set aside, right? Then that's something they need to set aside. You don't, we don't even know that God isn't convicting them about not eating pork because maybe something in pork is, you know, could end up causing congestive heart failure in them because pork fat is very fatty, and maybe that's something that isn't good for their particular body. So the Holy Spirit's like, you can't eat pork, so you shouldn't do that. And it's not really, they are attributing it to that it's an old testament law, but if they're not following all the old testament laws, then it's a conviction that they personally feel that we don't know why the Holy Spirit convicted them for that reason, but they he did, and who are we to say that that's right or wrong?
SPEAKER_04I'm not giving up my chicharrones.
SPEAKER_01No, what are chicharones? Pork rinds. Oh, yeah, that's I've never heard that word before the Hispanics call it chicharron. I just said it probably like the whitest white girl on earth. Chicharrones.
SPEAKER_04I've heard chicharones, chicharones, macaronies.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm not giving up bacon. Your girl likes bacon.
SPEAKER_04No, I'm not giving up bacon. No, I thought you meant you don't like bacon.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, I only know one other person that doesn't like bacon, and they're wrong.
SPEAKER_04They are very sorry, very yeah. You've never tried pork rinds, though? No. Holy cow. Okay, I'm gonna roast it. Um I won't eat them.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you will try it. I won't. So good. I'll just watch you and be like, look at you. You're not a child, you will try it. I am a child. Talk to my husband about that. I am a child. There you go. I am a child of God. I claim it. I just spit on you. I'm
Laughter, Lightness, And Return To Topic
SPEAKER_01really sorry. It was juicy. I thought we were sitting far enough apart. Nope, not quite. So sorry, but back to the names of God. Sorry. So sorry. So some
Shalom And Perfect Peace
SPEAKER_01of these other ones Jehovah Shalom, the Lord is peace. I really like that. Well, shalom is peace. Shalom, yes. And you say it, say it twice.
SPEAKER_04Shalom, shalom.
SPEAKER_01Perfect peace.
SPEAKER_04Perfect peace. Perfect peace.
SPEAKER_01I learned that from The Chosen. Do you watch The Chosen?
SPEAKER_04Yes, we have. We haven't completed it, but yeah, we watch it.
SPEAKER_01It hasn't been completed yet.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, we're on like season four.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, girl, you don't know what you're missing. I think we're on season four. Season five is.
SPEAKER_04How about House of David?
SPEAKER_01I watched the first couple episodes of House of David. I don't know why
The Chosen And House Of David
SPEAKER_01I didn't stick with it, because it really does seem like it would be up my alley, but I think it's a little bit too scary for Aria.
SPEAKER_04People have said that it's they take a little more theatrical liberties and it's a little more, but my argument for that is because if you are not a follower of Christ and I suggest you to watch House of David because it's exciting and action-packed, and you probably are gonna give it a try. And then to me, it's also bringing you to God, it's bringing you, you know, yeah, it opens a lot of curiosity. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's all that's how I got Jill with the chosen. With the chosen. Because so when I my first, I'm not gonna do the full story, but my first attempt to tell Jill about Jesus did not go well. I was very aggressive. I didn't really know what I was doing. I had never shared Jesus with anybody, certainly not anybody that was Jewish. And I came at her all kinds of weird. And so when a year later, she came to visit me, because thankfully she decided to still be my friend after that nonsense. She was in my car and we were I was listening to Christian music, and she really liked that because it sounded like music she would listen to on the radio. And then when we got home later that night, she was she wanted me to watch Ted Lasso, and I was like, Well, I'll watch Ted Lasso if you watch The Chosen. And she's like, What is The Chosen? And I'm like, It's about your people, actually. I was like, I was like, I was like, if you don't like it, we won't watch another episode. But she ended up liking it so much she she wanted to watch the second episode right away. And then when she went home back to her husband in Texas, she they binge watched it and she actually went to the theater and saw it. She really, really, really loved it. And I think The Chosen, again, it isn't, you know, it isn't a perfectly biblically accurate show. No, but it it satiates the appetite a little bit for the word and it gets you curious because I prior to watching it, I didn't know anything about John the Baptist. I had heard that name before, but I didn't he was great. He was like he was he was a character for sure, but he I didn't know anything about him. I just certainly did I I mean I wasn't in church long enough really to know about like him baptizing Jesus. I didn't know they were cousins, I didn't know anything about that. I didn't know about him, him and Herod and how he was beheaded for calling out Herod for marrying his brother's widow and all the things. So when I first watched The Chosen and they introduced John the Baptist, I was like, I was like, Wikipedia, who is John the Baptist? And I remember just laying there till like one o'clock in the morning, because I think I watched it late, just going down a rabbit hole learning about John the Baptist. And I and then but that's what shows like that do. House of David probably does the same thing, where you're just like, I don't know enough about him. And then you're like, shoot, I didn't realize David was that exciting of a character. So then you want to go back and you're like, what books of the Bible does David is David in? So I can learn more about his story because he seems pretty exciting. And now people are reading the Bible.
SPEAKER_04And being that we are the lyric in the light, uh, the soundtrack for House of David also is very good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the guy that plays David is a great singer.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the soundtrack for it though has got some really great songs on it. I wish I could get my mom to watch The Chosen. I don't know that I've really even suggested it to her, but we know that she's not a non, she's a non-believer. And I I maybe I should suggest The Chosen to her. I may have, I don't remember, but I think if I did, she would think, oh no, not you know, not the Jesus stuff again, but I just it's a good show.
SPEAKER_01It's a good show. Even if all Jesus I mean, granted, it's not about Jesus, like he's like all Jesus. It's a good story. It's a good story. So I just uh in case you are unfamiliar with The Chosen, if you're living in a rock under a rock under a rock, living in a rock, living under a rock. Living in a rock, I don't know how you're watching TV. Um, no, if you're living under a rock. So The Chosen is a multi-season episodic series about the life of Jesus through the eyes of those who knew him. So it follows a lot of you learn a lot about the uh the apostles, who I didn't know anything about at all. So I've really enjoyed that. And that is where they do take some theatrical liberties because the Bible only tells you so much about his disciples and the people that were following him. So they take what they know and they kind of base some ideas about it based on what they did know. It is the largest crowd-funded TV project in history, which is my husband is one of the OG chosen followers. He's actually he'd been bugging me for years to watch it. He was watching it when it was only available on his phone. That's the only place he saw it. And he paid, he paid to watch it. And he and he was like, Do you want to watch this show about Jesus? And I'm like, nah. Like, because most of the things I had seen, which wasn't a lot, about Jesus on TV, was really cheesy and like not well made at all.
SPEAKER_04And I was like, this is gonna be Jonathan Roomy, who plays Jesus, is fantastic.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he's first of all.
SPEAKER_04Um I've seen a lot of good actors, you know, play
How Stories Spark Scripture Curiosity
SPEAKER_04Jesus, and Jonathan Roomy slays them all. He I mean, he says he goes out in public and people treat him like he's Jesus, which is probably not a good thing.
SPEAKER_01No, not at all.
SPEAKER_04But that's what I'm saying. He has to say not Jesus.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, not Jesus exactly. You know, I'm just a person, but they do. It says that Jewish customs, accents, and first century practices are intentionally included, which I they I liked that they chose a predominantly Jewish or or caste or like multiracial, multiracial caste. So it's not a bunch of white guys with accents. No, Jonathan Roomy is Italian, I believe, but he looks enough like that that he's I mean, and but most of the other disciples, I think, are all from more of Arabic background.
SPEAKER_04If you learn more about him too, though, and really look into his background and look into him, he takes the role very, very seriously. Yeah, he's grown a lot closer in his face too. He says it's it's become, you know, he's he's in he's in, you know, just taken this on and it has completely changed his life for the good, you know, for the better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So it says they show it in 600 plus languages. It's watched in nearly every country. But they show one of the things I like about it too is that it it humanizes Jesus. So he actually like cracks jokes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it shows him angry, it shows him angry. It shows him rolling his eyes at Matthew, you know. Like, I love I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. It's so like good to see him humanized. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I like the scene where they're going to stay at that one guy's house, and he's like, and the and Jesus and his disciples are gonna be staying at this gentleman's house, and the guy goes, This one bedroom is haunted. By my dead ex-wife or something, and he goes, I'll take that room. I do remember that. I'll take that one. That was so funny. But he yeah, it shows him playing like hacky sack or like a version of hacky sack or something, and he's terrible at it. And you're just like, Like, Jesus is bad at something, you know, who to knew. But he shows him crying, yes, and being kind of heartbroken and frustrated with his the people that are following him. Right.
SPEAKER_04In the end, like I said in the Garden of Gethsemane, and when he goes back and says, Are you you know you're sleeping again? Yeah, like can you not even stay away?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Even just being frustrated with the people that are following him, with their bickering, and like the fact that they're not always getting the point of like the things because he's like, I'm telling you over and over and over again who I am, and you're still doubting. You literally are walking with me, yeah, and you're watching me do miracle after miracle, and yet you still are doubting me. Yeah, like, are you for real? How am I supposed to get these people who are never gonna meet me to believe me and who I am when you're literally sitting right next to me, walking Lazarus out of a tomb, and and you're doubting, right? You know, which I can't imagine how incredibly frustrating that is. I I don't I mean well, imagine how he looks down at us. Oh, yeah. So he's probably like I'm rolling my eyes and backwards, you can't see me, but I'm just like, oh, he's probably so like gosh. But I like I like the relationship they show with him and his mom. Yeah, and it has it's made me think be more thoughtful about his mom, too. I never really thought about the song Mary Did You Know, the Christmas song. I never thought about it until I watched this show. Excuse me. And I thought, like, did she know that he was the like that who he was? I mean, she knew that the angel told her that the Holy Spirit was gonna come on her and that she was going to be, you know, carrying the the son of God. Yeah, but like what does that mean?
SPEAKER_04Personally, I don't know that she knew the magnitude of it, but I do believe she thought he was created for a purpose, right?
SPEAKER_01You know, and that's definitely walk that was when did she find out that that was his purpose, you know?
SPEAKER_04And like, like you maybe when he rose again.
SPEAKER_01I can't imagine, yeah. Like I mean, if if she knew that he came as a sacrifice, yeah, that he was going to eventually have to turn himself over to be killed, and to have to stand there and watch because would you not be the one that was hiding your child?
SPEAKER_04I would I would be hiding my child, thinking I could run from God, hiding my child, you know, that you're never taking my child from me, you know.
SPEAKER_01Right. And then and to and to watch him grow up and raise him just to just to have to turn him over, you know, and to know that the world, the future and the present at the time was worth dying for to him.
SPEAKER_04The greatest story ever told. Oh, you know so good. How how I struggle with how do you not how do you not believe? How how do people not believe? How is it a seemingly a fairy tale to people? I I don't understand. I don't understand.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, there's too much historical evidence that he existed, and a lot of world religions agree that
Human And Holy: Portraying Jesus
SPEAKER_01he existed, they don't necessarily agree on who he was, but they agree that he existed. So, I mean, even just looking at his life from that perspective, I mean, he did exist. So maybe start there and look into it further. But I mean, just the character of God, of Jesus and God as well, but just the character of Jesus and the way that he treated people and how backwards his way of approaching things was from what would be considered normal, the way that he the first shall be last and the last shall be first. You know, the kingdom of God doesn't look like any kind of earthly kingdom. The things that he was preaching were so far removed from what the world at the time and even the world today would say made sense. You know, to turn to turn your cheek against people who harm you, to pray for those who persecute persecute you. I mean, it's so anti-everything that we have been taught as human beings, but yet beautiful and full of love. Yeah, it's just he's so good. Yeah, all the time. All the time. And all the time. God is good. Amen. My goodness. So, well, I think this has been, I mean, we didn't really know where this episode was. I'm gonna be honest, we didn't really know where this episode was gonna go. We knew we wanted to talk about the names of God, but we also wanted to leave the room for the Holy Spirit to to move this conversation. And I really love the direction that it took. So I hope you guys did too. I hope you all were blessed by this conversation and that you get to look a little bit further into your relationship with God and who he is to you and what that means. And then if you are kind of fence riding or you're even curious and just about God and and his nature, but you're not fully sure you're ready to like dive headfirst into the Bible, start with something like the chosen.
SPEAKER_04And always feel free to reach out to us for anything that we can do or help guide you. He's making me feel convicted to close out in prayer, which is weird for me that I feel convicted to pray.
SPEAKER_01I'm so glad that he's doing that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it's a weird feeling. So I will do that then.
SPEAKER_03Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_04Father God, Yahweh, Jira, Heavenly Father, King of Kings, the great I am. However, we come to you, wherever we come to you, we just ask in this space today that you invade the heart of one person out there. One person listening. I pray someone's listening that didn't want to listen, didn't think they needed anything from this. And maybe still is questioning. But that you reach deep into their heart and you draw them to you. Because we need you. This world needs you. We love you. And Father, I pray that this podcast sometimes we're silly, sometimes we're serious, that it's all for you. And you take us as we are. And we just thank you so much for that. And your son's precious name. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you guys. I appreciate you. We'll see you next week. I'm Deontay. And I'm Lena, and we are the Lyrian the Leg.