Ep 20: Hot Seat Q&A

We answer your most honest lifestyle questions from the RV, from uneven attention to safe sex, consent, and the moments that can make or break a night. We share what has worked for us over 12 years so you can communicate clearly, stay prepared, and protect your relationship while having fun. 

• Handling mismatched attention with personality, confidence, and patience 
• Choosing not to play when attraction is not mutual 
• Packing a go bag with condoms, lube, mints, wipes, and a few extras 
• Explaining the lifestyle to vanilla friends, family, and coworkers without oversharing 
• Practicing safe sex in playrooms and blackout rooms with condoms and STI testing 
• Talking about grooming and body hair as personal preference and basic hygiene 
• Closing the deal on the dance floor with partner check-ins and low-pressure invites 
• Avoiding rookie mistakes by exchanging numbers before leaving together 
• Evolving from rigid early rules to situational boundaries and next-day debriefs 
• Recognizing jealousy as a signal, trusting intuition, and steering clear of drama 
• Avoiding take one for the team moments by staying true to yourself and staying sober 
• Asking for consent with simple phrases like “May we touch?” and respecting “Not tonight” 

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Transcript

Adult Disclaimer And Welcome

SPEAKER_01 0:00

How do you explain the lifestyle to vanillas or family?

SPEAKER_00 0:05

How do you close the deal? Example, you and your partner are interested in with another couple. What do you say?

SPEAKER_01 0:11

What rules did you have in the beginning of your lifestyle journey? And what rules do you have now?

SPEAKER_00 0:16

This podcast is intended for adult audiences over the age of 18. The podcast includes adult language, situations, sexually explicit material. Listeners, please be advised.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Welcome to Nextdoor Swing, a podcast about lifestyle travel and events, hosted by Veteran Lifestyle Couple Cora and Max. In each episode, we hope to entertain, educate, and provide information based on our own personal experiences. The views, thoughts, and ideas expressed are solely our own and not to be taken as professional advice.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

All right, folks. Hey,

RV Life And Event Updates

SPEAKER_00 0:52

welcome back. Here we are. We are back in our RV and our Alice, and we are back in Tampa, Florida. Yes, last time we talked, we were in New Orleans. That was about what three weeks ago? And uh now what we're back in Florida, we're enjoying the sunshine, and we are also we we did an eye candy event uh a couple weeks ago over at Secrets, and uh it was a blast. It was like amazing. We had like 2,500 people there. The pool was packed, it was a party of a lifetime. It was a great party, and uh, we've also been taking in a little family time and uh doing a little boating and enjoying ourselves on the beach as well. And uh coming up, uh, we've got a few other you know events we're gonna get on the road here in the next couple weeks and uh you know take off out of Florida once again and then come to a neighborhood near you guys. Anything on this or uh what else?

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I think maybe mentioning we're going all the way from Florida to Canada. Yeah, we're going all the way to the top, man. We're in Maine and Canada meet, go all the way up the East Coast, gonna hit up Niagara Falls is the plan while we're up that way, hit uh some other touristy things along.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

And we're gonna do a lot of LS clubs and a lot of LS vents to make sure you guys get the inside scoop of what you need to know if you want to partake and uh and make sure to stay in tune with what we're gonna be talking about because at the very end of this, also we're gonna uh make some reminders about what we've got coming up in the near future. So our today's episode, though, we are taking a little break and uh we've got a lot of questions and answers, much like we did earlier on with I think it was episode 10. Uh, we are now on episode 20, and uh we told you guys that hey, once we get a bunch of questions and answers or questions that we need answered, uh we are going to stop what we're doing because we're about to ruin. Limited. Yeah, no. But we're gonna bring it to you guys in the format just like this of questions and answers. So we've got a slew of questions we're gonna cover for you guys today. So, right after the break, we will be back with our first question. We'll be right back.

Listener Q And A Kickoff

SPEAKER_00 2:51

All right, we are back, and today's episode is all about questions and answers, about lifestyle, about swinger events, about parties, about this, that, whatever. So let's uh cut right into it, jump right into it, and let's talk about our first question. Ms. Cora, what's our first question?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Question number one is an interesting one. Now, all of these questions come via DM on Instagram or Facebook, or either on our email as well. And some of them actually came from YouTube comments as well.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Oh,

When One Partner Gets Attention

SPEAKER_00 3:20

yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Question number one says, How does a couple handle one getting more attention than the other? For example, my wife is a 10 and I'm a two.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yeah. Well, that's a frequent one. Yeah, that's an easy one because we live it every day because I'm the two, and as you can see, this is my 12th. Uh, so it's actually fairly easy. Yeah. Uh that's a it's a tough one. That's a I mean, honestly, if you think about it, uh, with this lifestyle thing uh that we call this social experiment called lifestyle, uh, it's basically you're going back to the starting blocks of dating all over again, but not only just one versus one, like one person on one person, now you're talking about a couple with another couple. So all four have to feel an attraction, right? So that is really truly what that's really coming down to. And what the hard part is, is that attraction has to occur between all four people or the you know the couple and the other couple. Uh so I mean, how would you uh you know come over that from a woman's standpoint?

SPEAKER_01 4:16

I think a lot of women agree, especially some of my friends who I talk to about this, is here's something also to think about. A guy that looks like a 10 with when he opens his mouth and stupid things come out, he automatically can become a two. And so that can happen on the opposite side for a guy that's a two, if he's funny and intelligent and has a good personality, he might get up to a 10. So I wouldn't hang your hat a lot on looks in the lifestyle. Um, of course, now now it is like you're dating again. So I would highly recommend that you take care of yourself, work out, you know, try and, you know, be attractive, better yourself, not only for your own body and mental health and physical health, but also, you know, our kind of dating again. Yeah. Um, and so I would, you know, throw that out there as well. And then ultimately, if an if a couple is not attracted to both of you and both of you, you play together as a couple, then it's an it's a deal breaker. And you move on. There is another couple, you know, there there is always another couple, there's always other people.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

What's that analogy? There's plenty of fish in the sea.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Yes, there's plenty of fish. Stimulate stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

It really, yeah, it really does come down to that.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

And you know, and uh also let's say an old analogy. I know I'm gonna screw this one off. The other analogy that we've often heard heard a lot is that there's an ask for every seat, right? No, that's right. That's that's a true story. And so all you just gotta do is just take your time, don't take one for the team, don't give uh you know, give one up to the other side, just plug your way through it, and you will find people that you will connect with. And again, those twos might become a 10 and a simple question of talking and meeting for drinks. That's happened to us many times. Multiple times, and also the twos might even become negative fives depending on what their conversation goes to.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

So personality plays a big role in life stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

And for the fellows out there, if you are that two, there's a simple, I mean, you can do a lot of things to help yourself get up there, you know, and into the banning averages of four and fives. You know, just you know, take take good care of yourself. Uh clothing, you know, don't show up at a meet and greet or party with boxers or not boxer shorts, but basketball shorts on sneakers, you know. Yeah, be elevated. Elevate yourself a little bit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Right. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah. All right. I think we've covered number one.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

All right.

Go Bag Essentials For Play

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Number two is what is a go bag? Can you explain further what it is and what should be in it?

SPEAKER_01 6:39

A go bag is what we take to events, hotel parties or playrooms, or a meet and greet in case there might be play happening. And it has our essentials in it for play. Um, in this little bag, we have always have condoms, we always have lube, um, we have breath mints, and sometimes a little bottle of um mouthwash, and then also um some small toys if we're using toys and a blindfold all in our bag. And we actually have our bag. Uh for those of you who are listening on audio, I am showing a bag right now. It is about, I don't know, maybe 12 inches long by I don't know, maybe seven inches. It's a canvas bag. Yeah, canvas, and we have our condoms in here. And then we also have um a little toy, and then uh some lube, and then our favorite are these peppermints that come individually packaged.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Real easy. You never know when you need a refreshing.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Exactly. And that is what we take. And what's nice about this is it's it's kind of um a guy or a girl can carry this. It's not like a curse, you know. So, you know, oftentimes he'll be carrying this back like into the playroom.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

And one other thing I'd like to bring out that that's actually in here too, that uh, guys, for your your woman, your woman, you want to make sure you take care of them so you can find these little summer's eve wipes that are really great for the for the ladies to kind of freshen up before going into the playrooms. Because you know, you're out there on the dance floor and you're dancing, you're getting all sweaty. You want to freshen up a little bit. So you know, a lot of times Ms. Cora will go into the bathroom with one of these.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

And those are only for women, those are for men too. And trust me, uh, ladies will appreciate a clean area uh before any kind of play goes down.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

And then we've got our, you know, obviously our little masks we like we use and play with every now and then, which is actually come in handy many times more than that, not even just with play, but because of yeah, the crazy lights and stuff.

unknown 8:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Yeah, that's our go bag. And as you can see, again, with those folks that are listening out there, it's nothing more than the zip bag, it's a canvas bag. And uh, you know, I've seen people use uh the over-the-shoulder strap bags, you know, the uh what do they call man purses, right? Uh whatever. But that's our uh that's our go bag. And you can really put whatever you want in there. And I say, you know, you never know when you the the shenanigans are gonna go down. So I even take to a post office, you know, anywhere around that, just to make sure, you know, one be ready. My theory is you want to be ready at all times.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah, usually he'll say if we're going out to dinner, is this a go back situation? And I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Which the answer simply is yes, because you never know. You might be cruising, you might run into a couple that you want to be like, hey, you know, I'll take it back. Which leads us, I think, into another question down the road.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Down the road it does. Yeah.

Talking Lifestyle With Family

SPEAKER_00 9:25

All right.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

All right.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

We got that one covered.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Question number three says, How do you explain the lifestyle to vanillas or family? First, I want to tackle the word vanilla. So lifestyle people like to call vanilla people um non-lifestyle. So non-lifestylers are what we consider vanillas. So, how would you uh explain the lifestyle to vanillas or family if they ask?

SPEAKER_00 9:50

I like to keep them guessing. I think it's quite the fun, quite the game. Actually, here in Florida, in the Tampa area, is quite the opposite. Because I think 90% of the population here are swingers or in the lifestyle. So it's almost like you get approved as a knot that you're not in the lifestyle. But no, uh simple question, simple answer, oh, I shouldn't say simple question, simple answer to a very uh in-depth question uh really comes down to it really depends on the situation. Uh, if you're talking about a family, uh the one thing, you know, if you're talking about kids, for instance, like for our kids, one of the conversations we would never have with them was our sex life together. So why would we have a conversation about our sex life with other people? Uh so getting into details would never happen. Uh, our kids probably I would I would guesstimate they probably might know.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Our kids are also adults.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Our kids are adults, and and I have an idea that they probably probably know to some extent. But again, it's not a question we're gonna have a dim tape, right? Because it's something we just don't talk about. It's a gray area or a line that you just don't cross with your kids, right? Or your family members.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

At least we don't.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

That we don't.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

At least we don't. We want to stay parents and we want to have some mystery to our adult married life. And the way we look at it is we've been married 30 years, we are adults, we get to make decisions ourselves, and we don't have to answer to anyone. Especially our kids. So I would actually first answer this question with you and your partner may need to have a conversation about what are you going to answer and why? And also give you permission. You don't have to answer anything. Oftentimes with us, we have gotten questions, and often I will reply back with another question. A question as, oh, why would why would you think that? Or why do you ask? Or what makes that intriguing to you?

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Because that puts the question back on them, and you don't have to answer the question.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Right. And quite honestly, too, if it's in a workplace environment, because I had this happen when I was working, I had a lot of people ask me, Hey, are you a swimmer? Are you a lifestyle? And I I take that approach because quite honestly, uh, they wouldn't ask if I was gay or if I was a lesbian or whatever. It's inappropriate to ask anyway in a workplace what your orientation is. So I kind of look at it swinging that lifestyle kind of like an orientation. Don't ask in a workplace. So if you ask me, guess what? I'm just gonna tell you, well, why would you ask that question anyway, right? Type of set. So in a workplace, uh, you probably shouldn't become you know talking about anyway. But with family numbers, again, it's like gray line area that you don't want to you know go over all the way, but you know, it depends on the situation or of what you want to tell.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

And and as far as vanillas, we have over the years opened up to some of our vanilla friends.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah, some have gone really good and some have gone really well.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

The ones that it's taken me a while to tell them, it's because I didn't know how they were going to react and I didn't want to be judged. Like most of us lifestyle people don't want to be judged, right? Just like anyone else. Um, however, whenever we did tell them, whoo, the questions were flying.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

It was and honestly, they weren't surprised.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

They weren't surprised. Well, and they're and then I think the reaction is, oh, that's why you're so happy.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah. No, we've gotten that several times, Archery.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Um, and then a lot of our our vanilla friends, and I say a lot, I only have like three vanilla friends, you guys, because all the other friends that I we have are lifestyle friends. Um, so I have three vanilla friends left that are not lifestyle, and they had questions and they were curious and they um pondered and they reflected upon their own relationship based on ours um or what we were telling them. And what they see in us is happiness. We enjoy being together. We enjoy, I mean, we live in an RV full time. We're talking 400 square feet and we're together 98% of the time.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

99.9.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Most married couples, you know, when we tell them that, they say they would never survive. Um, we're we're in a different kind of category, I think. And I think lifestyle has made us stronger because of being together, and but the lifestyle has made our communication and relationships stronger.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Absolutely. And what I like to the way I like to put it is we are in a different chapter. Our book is a little bit already put together, and we are on a later chapter than most people. Our kids are growing up, our kids are gone. We're in an RV now, we've sold everything, we're doing our thing. So we are, you know, well beyond that. So I also tell our other friends, our you know, our vanilla friends, they're just in a different chapter and they're writing their own book. Write that book when their kids are gone, whenever they're doing their thing, maybe then they can dip their toe in and see if it's for them or whatever. Right. And and just write the book as you want to write it.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

And then many, it's not for them.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

You know, many, many of them, it's not for everyone. And I I we never ever press or push anyone into lifestyle when they do ask us. We they always ask the hard questions, they always ask the intriguing questions, but we never push and say, Well, you can do it too, because that's not what we're what we foster. Lifestyle is a journey that everyone does on their own, in their own and write their own chat.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

We actually had one friend, and this is uh quite a few years ago, actually, when we were first starting out, there was a female friend that had a boyfriend. Do you remember that? And we uh presented it to them. Uh she kind of was in the lifestyle. I I she was adjacent, let's put it that way. And uh, because she loved playing with girls and uh she loved playing with you. And then uh we introduced uh her boyfriend at dinner one night, and then he went high tight and off. She was like, nope, and then that caused her to be in a very difficult situation. So we learned really quickly, hey, you gotta you gotta find the right spot, and it's not for everybody, it's just not for everybody, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

And then I want to circle back and also give you permission to let you know you do not have to answer questions. You are an adult and you get to make adult decisions. And if someone asks you a question, if someone asks you a question that you do not feel comfortable answering, you can say, Why do you ask? Yeah, and and leave it there. Or you can say, Yeah, I'm not really gonna answer that. And that's okay to do.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Absolutely. Yeah, 100%. All right, all right. I think that was question number three. That was three. Yeah, we got a few more to go. Wow, holy cow, this is gonna be a good

Safe Sex In Dark Rooms

SPEAKER_00 16:12

one. All right, so number four, I am so curious about how safe sex is handled, especially in a blackout ring. Yeah, we had those same questions, and uh, thank you for the insight, really, because uh I'm glad I found your channel, and I am totally vanilla, so not in the lifestyle. Uh, the family and kids are all of my life. You guys actually inspire me to be a little nicer to my husband. You guys are very positive influence on how couples should communicate. Well, first of all, thank you. That's a great so that's a question, that's a loaded one. Okay. That was a question and some compliment, uh, compliments and comments we got actually from our email. And uh, we just wanted to share that you guys, you know, some of the we get. But that's our uh little guard dog, man. Worry about that. Uh she's she's right here with us. Uh, make sure we're all safe. Uh, but anyway, so back to it. So, how do you handle safe sex and or uh in the lights out room or in I guess in just any playroom? How would you handle um safe sex?

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Yeah, well, we have a go bag and we bring it with us and it has condoms in it, and we always play with condoms in a dark room or in a in a light room. Um yes. Um, the exceptions some people will have with this is if uh the couples involved do testing, do STD or uh STI testing, and everyone knows they are clean and testing is in a certain time period and they can show results, then they will choose not to uh use condoms. That is actually the safest way. Um and uh I I actually see more and more lifestyle people moving to that. And I love it. I'm here for that. I'm all about you know testing.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Yeah, but you have a lot of people, a lot of friends that um that will get uh tested every once a quarter, basically, and just to make sure they're in the up and up. Right. And then, or if they're going to a big event, especially if there's a big hotel takeover where they know there's gonna be a lot of play going on or a lot of possibility of play going on, a lot of folks will get tested for big events like that. And there's testing centers, there's testing places. You can go to your doctor, you can go whatever. There's online testing, you can send away. Uh, there's there's so much, uh, so it's so easy now to do. Uh, we we actually, because of our spicy stuff that we do on the side, uh, we get tested regularly. So we actually feel as if we are very well-rounded and or responsible uh swingers and lifestylers up there as well. But it's always something good to do to you know, make sure you're safe, you're protecting others and whatever. Now, it in the in the actual moment though, and you and I'm gonna put you on the spot, Miss Bloor. Can you talk through your technique of how you could check to make sure the guy is wearing a condom? Uh, because if you are in a playroom or in a blackout room, how would you find make sure that he has one?

SPEAKER_01 19:00

I feel it. I feel it. I put my hand down there and I feel it. Or if he's not going for a condom, I will pull one out of the go bag and I will give it to him. Yeah. Um, because you have to advocate for that on a um because not everyone uses uh condoms, and you need to make it known that you do want to use one if that is your preference.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

And if the person is not willing to put one on or not, oh, I can't find one or boo up beating around the bush. Hey, no, no, no is a complete answer. You can finish it, stop it right there, no matter what point you are in the place that you wish.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Exactly. Yep, exactly. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Well, that's a good one. And thank you again for whoever sent that information or that compliment and comment. Uh, we love hearing those things. So make sure you keep sending it to us. Our email is nextdoorswing at gmail.com. Nextdoorswing at gmail.com. So make sure you keep setting those questions in.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

So our next question is our next question is number five. What

Body Hair Preferences And Grooming

SPEAKER_01 19:57

are people's preferences for body hair in the lifestyle?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Wow. Um, that's a that's you name it. Broad. It's broad, you name it. Uh there's some people out there that I love full bush. There's some people like little landing strips. I've seen we are completely bare. Yeah. Uh we uh we go actually do laser. Um that is a you know, a lot of people are doing that now too, going and doing laser and just take care of all of it. And for us, what it was was you know, Miss Cora actually had been lasered for a couple years, and I would just shave, and then my little stubble would irritate her. She was like, damn it, you're going to get uh laser, you're going to see my girl. So I went and got laser. But uh there's there's I mean, you name it. And quite honestly, it's another one of those conversations. Sounds like it might be an awkward conversation, but it's just another one of those communicating items that you have to communicate and talk about and what you like and you don't like.

unknown 20:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

And it's okay. I I think for me as a woman, I'm okay with anything as long as it's clean. And as long as it's to me, I like tidy. Um, my personal opinion is I don't like a lot of body hair, but that's just my own personal opinion. Um, that's when we eat.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Yeah, that's a good point. So that I mean, I was focusing specifically on the genital area, but I mean, yeah, that's a good point. So, like body hair, right? Uh, we know people that you know shave their entire body practically. Sounds like a lot of work. But I mean, but some people like hairy people, and then some people don't.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Yeah, and some women like men with hairy chests, and some some women don't. I mean, it's a you know, it's a personal preference.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Some women are like beards, some some women don't, exactly. Some like bald, some don't. I mean exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

It's personal preference.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Again, there's a face for who we see. Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

And uh I will say the the beginning reason of some of the um beginning cause of laser for us is because where we live in Florida, I was in a bathing suit every single weekend, either boating, beaching, being at the pool, and I was getting very, very irritated by shaving so often. I was shaving the, you know, my um um bikini line every other day. And I was getting, you know, bumps and it was, it was just really irritated. And so, and then also some people will wax, but then for women, the problem that I was having with wax, because I did do that as well, is there's a grow out period. So for a woman, if you get wax or a man, you have to wait and not shave and not wax again for about six weeks because there has to be a grow out phase for that hair to be able to stick to the wax, be able to come off. Yeah, and there's no way we were going for six weeks with a grow out phase.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

And I will say, too, for you older guys out there, if you're thinking about going doing the laser, and I guess it also applies to women that if you have white or gray hair in those areas you're looking at getting lasered, lasers typically will not work on right colored gray hair, white hair, um, but electronics will right, but it will make them uh lighter and much easier to shave, but it'll also it will take care of those dark hairs, right? So that's where the kind of category I'm in. I still have a little bit of hair down there, so I still shave a little bit, but it's much easier and much quicker, even after I've uh had done the uh laser laser.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Yeah. So I've I've had laser from my toes to my nose. So everything is lasered, and I love just the ease of it. And I do have to go back and get touch-ups, um, but it is so much easier than than shaving. So uh again, uh the people's preference of body hair. Some people like a full bush. We see full bush, we see landing strips, we see arrows, we see all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

And I'll tell you, the perfect place to go see that kind of stuff is at Secrets. I get last weekend when we were over there for the eye candy event, I was uh uh blown away. Yes, blown away. Couldn't see it all. Well, and I've never seen so many bushes. I it must be that time of year where everybody's doing it. But it must be the World Cup. You're doing it for the World Cup. Must be.

unknown 23:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

All right, that was number five.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Number five. All right, we're halfway

Closing The Deal Without Pressure

SPEAKER_00 24:01

there. Yes. Wow. All right, so number six, how do you close the deal? Example, you are and your you and your partner are interested with another couple. What do you say?

SPEAKER_01 24:10

How do you close the deal?

SPEAKER_00 24:11

So I see you wanted to answer this question, so that's why you had me read because I know what the answer is.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

I was doing the odds. You were doing the e-bowls, remember? Uh, okay, so closing the deal. So I'm thinking about this on the dance floor at an event. So I'm picturing myself like dancing either at Secrets or at Cali or a hotel takeover or something like that. Um, because this has happened to us. This is where this typically happens, and we get hot and bothered on the dance floor, and we're ready to move it back to the hotel room.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Usually I am the leader because women tend to need to kind of push things along. It's the guy, most men will not do be the closer of the deal, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Yeah, let me jump in and say this. From our experience, and from and I'll just tell you guys, listen, guys, if you try and close a deal, or if you try, you're gonna come off as pushy and you're gonna come off as trying to make stuff happen too quick. So the women really control what's going on. So if the women are happy, the women are so have that conversation with your woman about what you're thinking, and then if she's on the same page, then allow her then the opportunity then to make the closing deal. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

A simple thing here could be leaning over if he's interested. He could lean to me on the dance floor and said, How are you feeling about this couple? And then I could lean, yes, I'm in, or no, I'm not. And then he could say, Okay, do we want to move it or something like that? And that's usually the way we maneuver this. So on the dance floor, after him and I had had that conversation, usually I would lean over to him and say something like, Are you down with these two to go back to our room? He usually it's a wholeheartedly yes. And um, and then I would say to the other woman, typically, uh, hey, uh, we are really liking you guys. We're wanting to go back to our room. Will you guys be interested to go back to our room with us? And that's usually how that happens. That's how we move from the dance floor to the hotel room.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Now, I I will say there are instances out there where and the you know some of the wording can go as simple as this, where the guy can jump in and say, Hey, I've got a great idea. And I actually we learned this one online, right? Uh, we watched we had a podcast that we listened to and watched, and uh it was actually a great idea. It was, I think it was the sex professor or something like that, whatever. And he said, just come up with one of those open-ended questions of, hey, I've got an idea, let's do this, or let's whatever. Where you still allowed the other, you know, the other couple, even your your partner, the well, you know, I'm not feeling it, and it's okay, right? So just that proposition of hey, I got an idea, and then just go with it from there. Right is another way of handling it.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Another um way I have spoken this into reality was to say, well, on the dance floor or in a room, sometimes just chatting, be something, you know, it something like if there were about six people standing around, I might say, Well, I'm ready to go back to the room and get naughty. If you'd like to join, we're heading this way. And I would just kind of walk off. And if they follow me, great. And if they they don't, then that's okay. Then something they weren't in, or something was going on that they weren't in.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

And from our experience and our experience only, I can honestly say in the lifestyle for 12 years now, whenever we brought up, hey, we would like to play, 99.99999% of the time, the other couple are already right there with you in that same mindset because again, you're around open-minded people, like-minded people, they're already kind of there for the same reason, and uh they're just wanting to have fun and experiment, and you know, they're gonna be the on board.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Right. A couple times it has happened prior to, and so um, like earlier in the day. So it might be, hey, uh, we're here tonight. We'd sure like to um have some naughty time with you guys tonight if you're up for it. That's harder to me. That's harder to kind of pre-plan it for us.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

It's it's a little bit harder three years with the community.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Yeah, exactly. We're we're kind of squirrels and butterflies, and we go all so it's easier for us in the moment. In the moment. Um, that is what and I like that. I I liked I prefer play that way because it's not uh it's organic.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

It's it's yeah, I I have a problem with it. I prefer that build up to happen instead of like pre-planned play the day before and then, okay, well, we're gonna play the and even in an organic moment, so it takes still takes somebody to step up and say something and say, let's go. Definitely. Uh it just can't doesn't happen on its own. It definitely think organically is just gonna happen on its own. No, someone still needs to close the deal. Close the deal. Yeah, yeah, and make a movie.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Another thing that I wanted to mention here that we have been really enjoying lately is actually not waiting to 3 a.m. to play.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

God no. No clock.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

I'm not my best at 3 a.m. No. Um, and so our preference, and we've done this a few times, it's been really fun, is we will actually play early, like at four or five in the afternoon, and then go have dinner with that couple, and then go to the dance floor and you know, dance in the evening and then go back to our room and just go to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Well, that's amazing. Well, that happens, yeah. Or there's the other situation where you get invited back to the hotel room for a shawl tequila, and it's like nine o'clock, and then you start playing, and then the next thing you know, you're still playing at five in the morning and you're ordering Taco Bell. But anyway, that situation is it that happens there's many different situations where you could be in.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

It the point here is that it takes someone to be the closer. It takes communication. Usually it's the women. Guys, be really careful here because you don't want to come across the spushy. Be sure you are communicating with your own partner first before you talk to the other partners.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

And another quick point to make, and I think we'll close this question now. Another quick point to make. If it's a couple that you've known for a while or you've been seeing for a while, and you're still you're trying to close, uh that being a little to the point and saying, hey, let's let's go do this, uh, actually will probably be um warranted on both sides, probably more in times than not, rather than a new couple you just met, right? So it's a little different. So just know that as well. There's a little difference in whether it's somebody you've known for a little while or you know, you're meeting him on the dance floor. And now let me tell you also, this probably we're we weren't gonna do a story on this episode. However, I just had a story pot in my head that's a perfect example of this question. Uh, so we were at our one of our favorite places, Caliente, and we were dancing, and this couple came up to us on the dance floor. And remember, they asked that we were dancing with them, and they asked, Hey, you guys want to go play? And we said, Yeah. And they're like, Well, we have a hotel down the road. So, rookie mistake number one. Don't ever do this, okay? Don't ever do this. They told us what hotel they were staying in, and we were like, Oh, I know that hotel. Inside, no, we stayed there a hundred times. Okay, we'll be right there. We left with them, we followed them, we decided to stop at Taco Bell and get a little snack on the way to give them a couple minutes to get, you know, the room, whatever, and then we get to the hotel. Our mistake was that when the hotel closes, well, not closes, but at midnight, they close the outer doors. So we show up at the hotel, they told us what room they were in.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Now you couldn't get into the hotel without your key on the exterior door.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

We didn't know their names, we knew their hotel number, hotel room number, but we couldn't get in the door.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

We knew their first names, but not their last names.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Right. So we couldn't get into the door, and we did not have a phone number. Didn't have a phone number, nothing. We didn't exchange phone numbers on the dance floor. So, rookie mistakes, get their phone number quickly. We're asked, you know, hey, and then make that connection to make sure you stay in contact. Now we ended up having to go back to the vehicle because we didn't want them to think we ghost them.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

And we couldn't, we couldn't hit the intercom button and ask for, you know, such and such's room because we didn't have a last name, but we only knew the room number and their first names. So that was really awkward. Uh, and so they were in. We couldn't get in the door, so then we went back to our vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah, we parked right next to them, so we left them a note on their vehicle and said, Hey, sorry, here's our phone number.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

From a Taco Bell bag, by the way. We had to write a note on the Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

So there you go. You got your story and a question on this episode. So there we go. That just popped in my head.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

So that was a good one. That was that was all right.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Next question.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Uh, let's

Rules Then Versus Rules Now

SPEAKER_01 32:45

see, we are on number seven. What rules did you have in the beginning of your lifestyle journey? And what rules do you have now? Show in the beginning. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

In the beginning. So 12 years ago, when we started now, it kind of goes if you've listened to the episode about the uh the dark room uh at the place champagne. Khan has that same kind of thing. We got so into our heads when we started. We had you name it, what it was a rule. I mean, we had a list of rules, probably gosh, 10 pages. Oh my god. So many rules, over thinking of everything. Everything. And then uh it was funny.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

What were some of the rules for the thing?

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Oh, some of the rules, uh, no kissing. Uh now again, back then we were girl girl only. For the first year, we were girl girl only to where you know Miss Torr uh would play with a girlfriend, and there was there was a good group of us that we hung out together, and you know, the girls would play, and then the guys would just sit and watch, and then we'd couple up with our couple and then or with our loved one, and just we'll have sex. Um, we did that for about a year.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

So no kissing was a rule.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

No kissing was a rule. Um, gosh, what were some of the condoms were for sure? Condoms were for sure, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Um, but we had several.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Several.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Yeah. And uh it was funny because we had a girlfriend that we had lunch with one day, and she asked us about her, and we listened them all up. Totally. We gave them all to her. She was like, ah, laughing at us. Those are just what you're gonna be doing next, is what she told us. And by God, she was she was right. And then now, so progressing now to what of our what are our rules now?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Condoms. Kind of. In unless we're tested. I I don't think we have hard and fast rules in real time.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

I would say there's situational plays. Situational on what we feel that night, on what you know and who we're with, who we're with, what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Where we're at. Yes, where we're at is a big one. Um, how many other people we know in the environment sometimes plays a role? What what role we are at at the environment at the venue if we're hosting an event that that changes things for us.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

So to put it all up, sum it all up, it really it depends. Uh it depends on the situation, depends on the night, depends on whatever. But as you progress and you mature in the lifestyle, you will you'll develop those things to where you that communication develops, all that it kind of goes right along with the communication that you'll find that you you might have some create. But I will also say this is a perfect example. Don't get too caught up in your own hit. Don't overthink things. Be adventurous in 2026 and just go out and do it. Step off that ledge. Don't be that person to sit there and think about going, you know, that next step and never do it. Try some things. And in the lifestyle, I I guarantee you, in the lifestyle, there's enough support around that uh you will not you it'll it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

You'll be and then if something happens the next day is the time to talk about it. If something happens you don't care for the next day is a good time to debrief and talk about it and to process it the next day and say, okay, well, I didn't like how that happened. Let's not do that again. Or let's let's communicate about that first. Or and then sometimes, and it took me a while to to get this to hear, um, is that sometimes it took me a long time to have a voice in the moment and I would not say something early on, and then it would fester and become a problem and a problem. Now I tend to say something sometimes rather abruptly, and I'm still working on that in the moment to kind of stop something. Um, if I don't like it, I I will stop something because I don't want to have, you know, like the real.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

And mind you, we've had situations to where you were like, oh shit, the guy did not wear a condom and he came in, you know, in you, and then we were like, oh shit, but now we have to work through some. So we've had to work through those things, and uh then condoms break too. I mean, that's happened a couple times. So you know, there's different ways you can uh deal with those as well. So yeah. Right. Yeah. All right, thank we got that one covered. I think so. That was a good one. I like that a lot. Yeah, that's always a favorite.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Yeah, rules, rules are are a heavy topic in the lifestyle, and every couple is different. And I also will go back to this ebb and flow. What happens, what was okay last year might not be okay this year. You're not the same person from one night to the next. Exactly. And then it also has a lot to do with what's going on in your everyday world, you know, and in your outside of lifestyle world. If things are stressful outside of lifestyle, you know, things might be harder in lifestyle. We've noticed that. Like whenever we have, when we've moved houses before, when we've changed jobs before, when our kids were graduating, and and when, you know, financial stresses that always stress lifestyle things more. So we have to be cognizant of that.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

I'm gonna I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a quick, quick second on this because this is a great topic. It kind of broadens the whole thing, uh, but it goes right into the rules now as well. And this court just hit on it perfectly. Uh, guys, fellas, this is directly towards you. We are waffle brained. We put things into boxes and we can jump from one thing to the next. And women are spaghetti-brained. Everything, the finances, the kids, everything touches and everything kind of goes together, and right in the middle is sex, and everything kind of comes together. And when that with their and their mind is all over the place, they're not thinking of sex. Whereas we think of that box sex every seven seconds, and you know, what happens more times than not, at least for me, is when you whenever we're in a situation and I think it's going one direction, then all of a sudden abruptly it changes and going this way. Because I'm in my box, it takes me a little time to figure out, oh, what is happening, and I get a little bent sometimes. So just know that going forward with your rules and then the lifestyle maturity level, that women's brains are all are spaghetti, everything's connected. They they they can make decisions in a heartbeat, and then one second is good, next second it's not, it's okay. Take a breather, step back, step out of that box, and then just move forward with your spouse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

All right, I like that. Another thing I wanted to mention, and we started this, it was a pack way in the beginning of lifestyle that we have not never veered away from, is if at any moment either of us do not like something, either of us can say, I don't like that, and and we stop immediately. And um, it's taken some time to work through some of those. But if if it is a it doesn't matter because he is the top priority of mine and I'm the top priority of him, if I'm not comfortable, he stops. If same thing, vice versa. And that we started, that was a rule that we had in the beginning. Kind of not not really a rule, is more of the pact, right? Because we're a team and that the team effort is always more important than everyone else. And so we we said that in the beginning and we still stand true to that.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Absolutely.

Jealousy And Protecting Your Relationship

SPEAKER_00 39:47

And that I think summises that entire question, which leads directly into our next question, which is number eight, do you get jealous or see a lot of jealousy with couples in the lifestyle?

SPEAKER_01 39:59

Uh yes. And it's natural and that's normal, but not all the time. I think that um for me, I I struggle with that a lot more, obviously, than he than you ever did.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Um because everything's connected.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

Well, and what I've noticed over the last several years is there is a connection here. I feel jealous whenever I feel threatened. When I feel threatened by a woman, when I feel threatened by a woman who I think might threaten our relationship is whenever I get jealous because it is a red flag for me. It's intuition, it's that woman's intuition. And I always stand true to that. And usually, if I watch long enough, the woman who I felt jealous of or had a problem with, usually it comes to fruition of some sort.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Um, follow is it doesn't matter what in the hell you say, do whatever. Again, it goes back to the woman's feelings and if intuition and all that. Because uh I've many times I've said, well, I still have a say in it too, and whether or not you know I'm in or whatever, but it doesn't matter if uh your spouse, your your significant other is not in, nobody's in, and that's okay. It's all right.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

On the flip side, I feel the same way with you. If you and this has never happened, but if you ever were like, I don't know, that guy, something about him, well, maybe it has a couple times. That guy, something about him, it's it's not right, and and that's a no, then I am immediately stop. That guy's a no, like period.

unknown 41:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I mean, it doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

I'd yeah, I find it hard, yeah. Yeah, if you're ready and I'd yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yeah. So that's and and as far as seeing it with other couples in the lifestyle, yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Yeah, and I think it honestly it's not. Jealousy is healthy. I I think jealousy to a certain point is healthy. Uh because it does show that you care and you care for your relationship, you care for your other person that you're with. Right. Uh, it is the lashing out or the reaction to the jealousy. And the jealousy that we normally see is though in younger couples, and so we tend to get or newer or newer, right? And what I say by that is I going back to the you guys heard me say before in the social experiment. When I love the fact once you learn these people what drives them and what you know what's go ticking with them, you put them on their island and you might visit that island often, or if you know, in the in the realm of jealousy, if they share it uh show a little bit of jealousy, you might put them on another island that you might only visit here here and there. But then if that jealousy goes away, they might move over to another island where you frequent more often. So jealousy is not a bad thing, but you do want to make sure you're paying attention to it mainly for your spouse, uh, and you know, and listen then, you know, to the intuition of what's going on with both couples.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

If we see that in couples, usually we steer away from them.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

If we see any sort of well, I would say we would distance ourselves where we're not so close that we get brought into their jelly their drama.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Right, right. And I don't it it's usually not a play environment that we are in. If we see another couple, lifestyle couple having any kind of problems, I we don't want in, right? Because it's we they should just work through that on their own. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Next question.

Avoiding Take One For Team

SPEAKER_01 43:28

All right, number nine says, How do you stay out of taking one for the team situations?

SPEAKER_00 43:33

All right, so this is a loaded question. And I say that because what we've already talked about is spaghetti brain versus waffle box brain, right? For a guy, it's in real sex that's been in the lifestyle for a long time, mature enough in the lifestyle, it's just in real sex. We're having sex, casual sex, and there's no connection, we're having a good time, we're vibing, and everything's good. Uh, whereas in a women's brain, that that sex is obviously a little bit. More and and then that take taking one for the team becomes a little bit more prevalent, whatever. Uh I've taken one for I think we both are kind of taking one for the team. And we've kind of both been like, What the fuck are we thinking? The next morning we're like, oh yeah, yeah. And that sometimes people look better with clothes on, and then when you hit the playroom, you're like, oh shit. You're like, nah, okay, whatever, we can deal with this. But then next morning you're like, what the hell do we do?

SPEAKER_01 44:23

So um Or sometimes we go down the road so far that it's hard to back out of that, you know, getting out of it. Uh and it's only happened a couple times.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Right. So I would say, how do you stay out of a situation like that? Well, you just make sure you stay true to yourself and true to your spouse and true to your, you know, what's important to you, but just know that there's going to be times that you're like, oh, okay, well, this wasn't exactly what I thought it was going to be like, but hey, all right. But then the more important thing is that the next morning that you do this, you sit and you have a communication or what I like to call debrief, and you sit down, you talk about, wow, what happened last night? How did we get to that situation? How did it right?

SPEAKER_01 45:08

How do we stop it from error?

SPEAKER_00 45:10

But knowing that it probably will happen again, but you might be able to handle it a little bit differently or better. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think that's the best way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Yeah, I agree. It that was it it's difficult. And how to stay out of that situation is um, I would say to try and and stay sober, don't let alcohol uh take take control.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

I don't think in our situations though, the it ever happened to us that we were early on.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Early on it did. Yeah. Because I I drank a lot more because I felt more controlled.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Well, I took one for the team in those situations and I didn't really care, but yeah. Anyway, that was just me. So yeah, that was I thought the other dude was hot. So I was taking one for the team for you. You were with the thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Yeah. You thought he was you thought I thought he was attractive. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Oh so I was watching YouTube while I was doing my thing. Anyway. That's a tricky one. That was a tricky one. All right, last question.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

All right, yours. Oh, number one. Oh,

Consent Phrases That Work

SPEAKER_01 46:18

yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Number 10. How do you ask for consent in the playroom in barber?

SPEAKER_01 46:22

My favorite is may we touch? May I join? Would you like company?

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Those are all great ways of if you're in a play environment.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

And the answer to all those are yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Not necessarily. Remember, we just talked about taking one for the team. See? And it's oh, and I have answered both ways. I have answered yes, and I have I have answered um no, thank you. I have answered not tonight. That's a polite way of saying that. And uh, or not right now. Um, and you know, sometimes in play situations it's tricky. Let me explain a little bit. So if you if we are in a place space and we're just playing alone and we've already been in there an hour, I'm done at that point. All of my parts are done, right? I'm I'm kind of tapping out. And then we have towards at the end of our play, maybe our cuddling time, a couple come in and let's say they're super attractive and they're like, oh, may I touch? At that point, I might be like, oh, we were just finishing up, or oh, we were, you know, not tonight, or oh, can we get a, you know, can we do this another time? That has happened a lot, actually, to us in playrooms. Um, and so that's something to keep in mind. If you are if if someone says no to you, you don't always know the reason. You know, maybe it is, you know, maybe they've been in there a while, maybe the woman's tapping out. You know, you it it's hard to say. So don't take things personal also in those play environments because you never know all of the circumstance.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yep. Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Agree.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

All right. Anything else about consent to play?

SPEAKER_00 47:55

I think that covers it.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Yeah, and I think this was a great episode.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

I do, I think so too. Well, that was all of our questions. We did 10

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SPEAKER_00 48:10

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SPEAKER_01 49:15

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SPEAKER_00 49:35

Yes, I think it's called Canal Street, Canal Avenue Canal Street. I fully but it's right there. We actually checked it out last time. We had a great hotel, but it's going to be a great takeover event. Uh, and it's gonna be an amazing so they just reached out today, told us that the themes are going to be vampires on the Friday night, and Saturday night is gonna be ghost and ghouls.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Yep.

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SPEAKER_01 50:37

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