014 Guess who’s back, back again, bacons back, tell a friend. Mission to the moon, other stuff.

Ethan Bacon joins us for an episode. NASAs moon mission, space stuff, Karl Beuchner elaborates on the space mission and some ideas about what it could mean. Enjoy.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:02

So you were looking for something to listen to and you ended up here. What's up? My name is Ethan, and I'm the host of the show. Over the past 25 years, I've had a wild group of people walk through my tattoo shop and tell me some of the craziest stories you would never hear unless you were sitting in that chair. I've invited a few of these maniacs to join me and talk about everything, anything, and nothing. Whether it's about UFOs, aliens, food, conspiracies, or whatever, you're sure to be entertained and probably get a laugh out of it. Or you're gonna think we're a bunch of nutjobs and never come back again. Either way, you're here with us now, so sit back, relax, take cruise control, and enjoy the ride. Welcome to the Tat and Chat Podcast. Cool, we're rolling. Dude, you look fantastic. I'm actually excited. What's going on, guys? We got a we got someone here today. We got Ethan Bacon. What's up? From the grave. From the grave. Back from the dead. From the Tat and Chat Grave. Yeah. What's up, Bacon? What's up, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:04

I missed you, man. I missed you. I missed you deeply. You look good. Thank you. You look good. Both of you. Hey.

SPEAKER_05 1:11

Well, gee, thanks.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Sounds a good liar.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

I mean, I feel like I look good, but then I look in the mirror. Do you feel do you feel good? I I feel okay. I don't know if you feel better. I feel better than you're here. What's that? Feel me. Oh. Ooh. You tell me. I did on the way in.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

I felt you with my eyes. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_05 1:30

So what's going on, guys?

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Not much, man. I just got just got home from New York City. What was in New York? Yankees game.

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Oh, you sent me a picture of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, it was freezing. It was so cold. I think it was it's like it wasn't that, it was 31 degrees. So I'm, I mean, but you're not expecting it to be 31 degrees at a baseball game. Not just telling New York City. Yeah. I was just telling my buddy, like, I went to 49ers game in Cleveland in December. It was negative 10, and the wind was blowing, and it's right on the water. I mean, it was cold. But the game last night at 31 degrees, I was colder at in the baseball game. I mean, I was dressed for negative 10. You know, I had boots on and gloves, and I was dressed for it. I thought I was dressed for 31 last night, but man, like the sixth inning came, and I'm like, I hope I hope they score quick and get the hell out of here.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

I don't know what it is. Like between like 30 and 40 always feels colder to me for some reason. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:35

I hate it when it's like getting warm out, but it's been cold out for weeks, and then like my shop will be cold. I'm like in here freezing and shit. Like I just can't, like, even when I'm trying to heat up, it's like it's just holding, it's like all that cold for the fucking months, and but it's like I only have one door, so I can't open it and shit. But for Julia, we used to go to the ball games, softball games for my daughter. I bought her one of those heated, heated hoodies. You charge the battery and plug it in, and she loves that thing. I think if I was gonna go to a game, that's probably what I'd bring.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

Yeah, Sarah has one. She was wearing it last night.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

Well, what's it normally like in New York? Like 60 right now, right? This time of year. So it shouldn't have been a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

You know what's funny? The same same buddy I was telling, uh, he sent me a meme or whatever, and it says, I didn't know this. The Mets moved their game up earlier so that it was warmer for their fans. But Yankees fans, Yankees knew their fans were gonna show up anyway, so they just left it at seven.

SPEAKER_05 3:32

Like moved it up early. Oh, in the day.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Yeah, because it was warmer. It was like 50 during the day, and then it you know slowly dropped down. I mean, when we got there, it was like it was like 44 when we got there. I'm like, oh, this ain't bad. Then by the sixth inning, I'm like, man, it's freaking cold.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

So how was the game though? Were they playing well or was it too cold? Were they like struggling too?

SPEAKER_02 3:53

It was a good game. Um like uh we were they were losing three to one. So I was they're playing the um Oakland A's, and the Oakland A's are not good. So they're the Yankees were losing three to one. I happen to love the Oakland A's.

SPEAKER_05 4:08

Thanks a lot, dude. That's my team, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Well, they're they're not good. So they're losing three to one, and like they they just they weren't hitting the ball very very well. You know, it hurts when you hit the ball off the end of the bat or whatever hurts your hands. I'm like, man, I don't know if they're gonna come back. Then uh eighth inning rolled around and they were like, time to put some on the board and go home. They put up four runs and won the game, five three.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

Who won the game?

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Yankees. Oh, okay. I thought you said the Oakland A is hit a three-run home run in the eighth inning. It was pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

Yeah, yeah. That's probably for the show, too. Those guys, like, wasn't that the deal back in the day? Like the Yankees had enough money to pay for a ton of people, like they could pay like the best people, so like the Yankees always had the best players.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Well, you see, I don't I don't know how how much I want to get into this, but that's the thing, everybody always says Yankees by their team. But they also say baseball's one up the middle, meaning like your catcher, your shortstop, your center fielder. Well, most of the Yankees from the 90s, those those guys were core players. You're talking about Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettit, Mariano Rivera. Like you, you know, you can go on, and that's the guys they were paying the big money to were their own guys. Now, yeah, they brought in free agents just like every other team, but the main guys are the guys that you know their names, and they were homegrown players.

SPEAKER_05 5:28

So do you uh do you watch sports? You watch baseball and stuff? No, okay, me either. I know nothing. He's I I I know the name Derek Jeter, but anything beyond that, so I'm just like A-Rod. He's a guy.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Arod we traded for, though. Well, I will say that. We traded for A-rod. Love A-Rod.

SPEAKER_05 5:46

Yeah, I don't I don't really know a whole lot about baseball other than like there's a guy catching and this guy pitching and hits the ball and he runs the first place. I kind of understand the gist of it, but I thought about like, hey, you know, I'm gonna start watching this shit. Honestly, because you're always talking about sports. I know you're really into it. And one time we were recording a uh podcast and he's watching a game the whole time. Kind of I'm like, I don't even know which one it was. It actually went went smooth.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

It was uh it was it was the US, I don't remember what team they were playing. It was the WBC. Um I can't I think it must have been the championship game. I'm pretty sure it was, or else I wouldn't have watched it here. It must have been the championship game. They ended up losing to uh was it Vin Diesel? Yeah, Vin Delegating.

SPEAKER_05 6:30

They lost to Vin Diesel. Everybody loses to Vin Diesel. I can't remember who it was that beat them. Like like in uh The Chronicles of Britdick.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Yeah. Uh Triple X. Awesome movie. That's a movie.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

Yeah, yeah, like Fast the filming. Fast and the Furious. I love Fast and Furious movies. If Vin Diesel's in it, they lose. It's all about family. Fast and the Furious? Yeah. I've only seen like one of those episodes.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

I love them. They're great.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

Yeah, they are good. No, I haven't. I just didn't get into the whole car tough guy thing. Like, I like cars and I like watching badasses and shit. I bought a Honda Civic because of that movie. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I like watching like Rambo kick people's asses. I like uh did you really? Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

I was really like, yo, I bought a Dodge Charger, right? You know, souped up. It's got a full what a 400 hemis.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Do they have a souped up Civic in there? Yeah, and the uh first one there where they're like hijacking trucks. They use these three dope. What did I tell you when you walked in? Black watch out on Civics. I was like, I gotta get me one of those.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Is it baby blue?

SPEAKER_03 7:35

Oh, they're mine? Yeah. Mine was red and black, two-tone custom. That's all right. Four cylinder. What happened to it? I got rear end rear-ended.

SPEAKER_05 7:44

Oh, is that the accident in front of your parents' house? No, what happened to the car?

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Oh, I scrapped it.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

I got see all the truths are gonna start coming out. You okay, you ready for this? I got reared. Smashed too. We'll ask all the hard questions. So, Ethan, what have you been up to lately?

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Oh. You know, playing a whole lot of uh video games.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

Oh yeah. That is boring as fuck. I was expecting something cool, like that's it. I thought this was gonna go on for at least 10 minutes. He's like, oh, you know, I know I met this girl, and then you know.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

I met this great girl. Uh we've been hanging out a lot, you know, and uh just vibing.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

Yep, blowing me off now. I can I can't even get a hold of him hardly. I'm gonna have to get her fucking number. So can you tell that motherfucker, send me a fucking message back? That's okay. I got him in, I got him singing in the band. I played you the song, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good. I mean, I'm not really into that screaming stuff, but yeah, it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

It's fine. I enjoy it. We were gonna record tonight. He's got a good voice, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

He can sing too. He can. Oh, I put I sent you the um Lakeview Drive, is that what it was? Skyline View. Skyline View.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I really like that song. I th Really? I think when I told you, I think you thought I was messing with you, but I really like the song. Really? Yeah. Thanks, man. Good song. Skyline View. Find it on YouTube. Great song. He's played it for you, right?

SPEAKER_05 9:17

How many times? Oh, he's like, check this out. This one I was younger, but I'm gonna get there again, babe. I'm gonna do this shit. And I'm like, I I can feel it. Like, I got my guitar. It's at my apartment, but one of these times I'll put I'm gonna play it and I'm gonna really I'm gonna make another song. What's your name again?

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Riley. I don't know her very well, but she's you know, I stalk her on Facebook. So no, I don't really. But yeah, she seems pretty cool. She's always laughing. She's pretty awesome. Smiling. I like her. Good looking girl.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Yeah. Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

He's in. Son of a bitch. I'm in. I'm in. You soon bitch. So we uh we haven't had Ethan on in a while, so it's good to have you back. And you know, we need to be back, Ethan. Me and uh me and Josh have been plotting uh this episode of like what we wanted to do today and what we want to talk about. And uh have you heard anything about this uh this crazy shit going on with Congress and this disclosure of something that they can't talk about? And at the same time, simultaneously, there's this Artemis moon uh it's a survey right mission where they're just going around the moon a bunch of times. At the same time, we're at war. Is it the Chinese?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

War's over, man. Haven't you seen the news?

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Well, it's not two we're not it's on a two-week hold. It's a it's a what what was the word? Um something ceasefire.

SPEAKER_05 10:49

Yeah, it's a temporary two-week. But we don't have to talk, we don't have to talk about the war. Let's talk about gas prices. No, I don't want to talk about that shit. It cost me about over a hundred dollars to fill up my suburban.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

$30 got me a quarter tank. I was seething. He's like, shit, I don't even know if I can make it.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

$30 quarter tank in your Honda Civic.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

He wrecked that years ago.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Oh, I just yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

He doesn't what do you have? I wish I still had that. I got a dodge Durango. The Durango, that's right. I wish I still had that Civic.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

That was a sweet ride. But you got re-rendered a lot, and I think when I had that Civic, I was always getting rear rendered.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Just pounded, you know?

SPEAKER_05 11:29

Just pounded. Well, we didn't say pounded.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

By a neon.

SPEAKER_05 11:32

See, the words will start slipping, they just roll off the tongue so easy. He said that. We said rear-ended like an accident. He said he got pounded. You know. Semantics. It's not a big deal. We don't, I don't really care. That's totally cool. But you're the one who brought a lady with you, okay? Just make sure. Wait, are you pounding? Oh holy shit. Maybe there's maybe there's a part of this this that we don't we don't know. Maybe there's an element to it all. Hey, you know, it's a brave new world. It's a brave new.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

You say her name was Peggy. Oh, Riley. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

So what do you think of this? Uh this this what is it, Artemis II mission? That's what it's called. Isn't it the Chinese the Chinese that are doing it? No, we're doing it. NASA. It's actually that when was the last time NASA really it's been a while. Did a mission? Because Elon Musk does it. Now you got Bezos sending people up there for fun. Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

And uh like the last time they talked about flying around the moon, wasn't there some conspiracy they said that they I don't I can't remember what it was now, but the astronauts said something about like they're basically not allowed to? And it started like some kind of controversy. Like, what do you mean allowed to?

SPEAKER_05 12:41

Well, I think there's a lot, there's a lot of weird shit. I mean, it comes, it goes right back to like the moon landing originally. You know, there's so many conspiracy theories about it. It doesn't, if you look at it, it does look kind of weird. It looks like an old sci-fi movie, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:52

Well they say Stanley Kubrick uh was a part of that.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

Yeah, I was just I was talking to one of my buddies about it earlier, and uh he's actually gonna call us in a little bit here, and he wants to get on the horn with us and give us some some of his perspective on this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

But yeah, if you want to call in, feel free. It's 1-900 bacon. Bacon R.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

We can't put him in letters. That's that's that's just a bacon R. G. Bacon R. Bacon R. But yeah, so like um if you I mean, so let's say we we did land on the moon. Let's say it's real, right? Let's say that everything they told us is the truth. And you know, this is the big problem for me right now, is that I'm having a hard time literally believing anything anymore. Like, like I don't believe things from the past.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

That's the Rubio thing you sent me. I'm like, I had to look it up on Google. I'm like, is this real? I don't I don't know if it's real or if it's AI.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

The reason Yeah, AI with AI. I mean, if you saw if they released a video of an alien, would the would you believe that?

SPEAKER_05 13:51

They all bunch of these guys are coming out saying they all got debriefed about something they can't talk about, but like they they're saying that, like, um, and the reason why I saw it is I saw a news anchor interviewing another um Congress member, and um they were saying, Yeah, did you hear this thing Marco Rubio was saying? He was kind of laughing about it, saying, you know, I think he's lost his marbles. He's like, Well, actually, we did get debriefed on something that we're not allowed to talk about, and uh they should just release it to the public. He's like, said that if you if you uh How can they blue ball us like that? Well, if you knew they said it would unravel the fabric of society, right? It was saying weird shit. Like some of the shit these guys were saying, I'm like, what in the fuck did they what in the fuck are they talking about? What they get debriefed on, like and they were they were kind of alluding to like alien type stuff and like this weird shit. So what's weird is um right around the same time, we we're going to the moon, we're doing some mission, we're just scoping it out. It's the first time humans have seen that side of the moon, I guess. And that's I think it's the furthest a human has ever been from Earth. Like they're pretty fucking far away from Earth right now. And I think today's the last day of the mission, they're coming back. I think tomorrow, I mean, I don't know how long it takes. Oh, they did it already. They already came back. They're already out there. Yeah, they're they're like almost done with the mission coming back. So whatever they were doing on the dark side of the moon, right? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

But um so Secretary of State, let me get that out. Secretary of State, that's what Marco Rubio is. I almost said that and I second guessed myself. Yep, my psychiatrist says, hey, don't second guess yourself. Too tense. Too tense. All right, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 15:23

But um, but so like they they're they're pretty far out there, and um so what are they doing? So why haven't we been to the moon again? Like, I don't I don't really understand all like we went to the moon. We forgot.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

NASA says we forgot to how we lost the tapes, lost the tapes on how to do it, all the technology's gone.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

So now we're going around the moon, being very careful. But China a couple years ago, I think, went to the moon and they tried to grow a um a potato or something on there. Did you see that? They they landed on the moon, they or maybe a row or some sort of like like rover or something. I don't think it was man missioned.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

I didn't uh I got in trouble for the Russian TV that I had and I had to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_05 16:00

So the Russian TV. Yeah, the news was different.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

You see the uh the naked news that they do? Is that Russia, right? The topless topless weather girls.

SPEAKER_05 16:12

I don't know. I think didn't Snoop Dogg do something like that. Didn't he have like naked news? I don't know. I think Snoop Dogg had a channel where he was had all these chicks on there that were reading naked news or something like that. Did they just report like regular legitimate? They slowly stripped. So they were doing the weather, yeah. They slowly stripped off. What they stripped off their clothes slowly. But yeah, like so like appalling.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

I'm appalled. It's disgusting. Movies.

SPEAKER_05 16:38

And I mean, I don't know why anybody would do that. I mean, I don't know why anybody would want to watch that.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Yeah, I can't think of I can't think of more than two reasons. Really?

SPEAKER_05 16:49

Two reasons. One because I want one because I'm watching the news, one because I'm watching the news, and two because I mean I just want to get the weather. You gotta stay with that.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

You would not know any of it. It'd be over. You're like, wait, what did they say? It's knowing where you gotta look at my phone anyway.

SPEAKER_05 17:07

There's some headlights in my face. I couldn't I couldn't see what was happening. Headlines. Ooh, headlines. But yeah, so so like we are we this mission went around the moon to they're taking pictures and doing stuff, whatever, but so we haven't been there since when was the first moon landing? The 60s or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

69.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

Yep, so we haven't been there since I remember that number. It was in 69. I was watching the naked news in 1969.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Was it 69? Oh, I couldn't. What year was Kennedy killed? 63. So it couldn't have been 69. Because Kennedy's the one that sent him there.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Shit.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

He's just lying. See, this is why you can't trust us for the news. He just likes the numbers. We just make shit up as we go. We're like, it had to be like last week or some shit. I don't fucking know. Let me fact check this real quick.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

We ought to know this.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

But so, so, so all this stuff's happening, right? So the so Congress is getting debriefed on some, or they're informing about stuff they can't talk about. Um, this whole war thing kind of went down, and then we're flying around the moon by the 100%. Was it 69? 69. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

What year was Kennedy killed?

SPEAKER_03 18:14

63, I'm telling you. I think. Positive. Hold on.

unknown 18:18

Kennedy.

SPEAKER_05 18:19

And so did you hear about the whole three eye atlas thing? 63. Damn, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Oh, wow. I am impressed. And yeah, what the hell? I I'm sorry. I apologize. I I sw I could have sworn JFK sent us to the body.

SPEAKER_05 18:33

We just thought you weren't as bright as us, okay? We thought we thought you were just like, you know, I was surprised.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

I would have sworn they JFK sent us to the thing.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

We thought you were we let me think for a second. I'm not that bright. I'm just kidding. I saw it in that Stanley Kubrick movie movie. Kubik. Stanley Kubik. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Stanley Kubrick. Kubrick. Kubrick, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

He did like 2001 Space Odyssey, did like Clapping Orange.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Kubik's the guy from that Nintendo game.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Eyes Wide Shut was his last film. A lot of uh symbolic imagery.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

With uh Tom Cruise?

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Eyes Wide Shut up.

SPEAKER_05 19:13

Did you watch um Welcome to Dairy yet? Not yet.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Oh, dude, you gotta watch Welcome to Dairy.

SPEAKER_05 19:18

This fucking did it. It's on my to-do list. It's good. I thought I thought Pennywise. Have you watched Welcome to Derry? I thought Pennywise was kind of like uh a lightweight in the whole horror genre. I liked kind of what he did, and he was kind of intense, but some kids beat him and all the shit. Then but Dairy kind of explains a lot.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

That is one way of putting it. Pennywise is kind of a good thing. He's a pussy. Bunch of kids whooped his ass.

SPEAKER_05 19:42

I mean, that's how I felt until I watched Derry and realized how fucking nasty he truly is at the very end. Like there's just tons of crazy shit. It's a she. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

What?

SPEAKER_05 19:57

Right?

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Yeah, okay, okay. So in the in the original book, um, it is said in the f when they're like fighting the giant spider thing or whatever. Um they say that it's like laying eggs, and they basically come to the conclusion that the thing's a female because it like lays eggs. Pennywise is a guy, though. I don't know if that's the case in the movies, but it might be.

SPEAKER_04 20:21

I don't know, but I want to talk about it, but he hasn't seen it so I don't want to say anything yet.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

It's called it. It's not I think I think it's just called hermaphrodite.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah, I don't know. But so well, it can be uh pennywise can be anything because he what is it? What is that called? He like he projects himself as anything, so he can project himself as a female spider to lay eggs.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Yeah. Well, Ethan, what's his final form?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Oh well, it like in the book it's a spider, but like it's just the deadlights. Like that's like his extremists are as true.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Where you look at them and they and they're making up.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

But speaking of aliens, yes. So back to the back to the whole moon. You can edit all this. I did I send you a video? Did I send you a video of that other interstellar object they're saying is popping through? I don't know if that's that's real.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

No, but I I did hear something about it. Maybe you sent it to me. Somebody I did hear about it.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

I think I sent it to you because I was checking out when I was like, holy shit. Yeah, because they're both coming through from the same area. They said the odds of it are like this interstellar like object coming through. And so was uh what's the other one? The three eye atlas? Mua the Amoa Amor or something.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Amour mora. Amo amoramora literally.

SPEAKER_05 21:41

They're all coming from the same area. So either like so either there's something in space that that has a bunch of debris that's breaking off and coming this direction, which is kind of fucking scary. Yeah. Um, or something just by coincidence comes from the same region of space, uh space outside of our sp galaxy. It's coming in, coming through, and going out. So the black, the black dark matter, whatever's in between our s our galaxy that's holding it together, that's the void or whatever they call it, like shit's coming through there out and then into our galaxy, then through. That's I love interstellar object. That's fucking crazy shit. So all the shit's kind of happening at the same time. Like that's fucking weird, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of weird, I think.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

And like Is it weird though, or or are we just like because we're so in tune to everything now, we just know that there's a bunch of stuff going on.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

Well, I think when I was a kid, it took a while for me to hear the story of something cool. Right. Right? Like it took a while, had to go to the news, and you heard about your parents talking, you're like, oh sh, and then it takes time. Now it's like instant. Like as soon as we all wake up, everybody grabs their phone, and whatever's seen the most, boom. That's what's that's what's kind of on there. Yep. But so I got a buddy of mine who wants the who wants to call in and talk to us about all this shit. Is he calling right now? Well, I can I told him 7 30, so you want me to get him in on it.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Hello. Hey Carl, you're on with a Tat and Jad podcast. How's it going tonight?

unknown 23:13

Good.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

That's Ethan Bacon who does a great radio voice. We should you shouldn't talk to Carl the whole time like that because that's funny. Made my eyes. Welcome to Tat and Jet Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Oh good. And yeah, and then I would hang up.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

You're like, yeah, fuck this. I didn't win any contests. Hey Carl's nice to have you. The Seahawks. So we got so we got Josh in here with us. You didn't you didn't get to talk to him last time. This is Carl on the line.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Yeah, I didn't meet you last time, but I bought your book after the podcast.

unknown 23:48

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Good, man.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Yeah, I haven't got very far into it yet, but I I did start it the other day.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

All right. Well, when the on the when we're on the air, only talk about how great it is.

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Okay. So far, so good. And you we got that's the deal. We got Ethan Bacon here. He's one of our one of our hosts on here. He's the one doing the radio voice. Hey, man.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Dude, the radio voice is is incredible.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

I know. I think you should do it. I think you should do this whole this whole conversation, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

So I would I wouldn't be able to take it.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

Well, this isn't supposed to be serious. It's supposed to be funny. So so Carl, we were talking about the whole Artemis II mission around the moon, and uh, we got into Mwamwa and uh is it umwamwa? Is that what it's called? The comet and the interstellar objects that came through, three AI Atlas.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

I think they'll know what you mean.

SPEAKER_05 24:41

Yeah, and then uh I don't know if you heard about this, but did you know that there's another interstellar object that came through right after 3i Atlas, supposedly? No, I don't know if it's true or not. Yeah, that's that's my hard pro that's that's that's the problem right now. My the hard time I'm having is anything I look up online, you know, it's like it could be bullshit. But you and me were kind of talking about this earlier, and uh I told these guys that you had some pretty cool theories on the you know what could potentially be going on. And uh actually, I don't know, these guys, I'm assuming they've heard of some of this stuff, but well, stop talking, man, and let him I want to have you talk. I just wanted to get I just wanted to fill them in where we're at.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Okay, well, I'll you know, here was here was one of the ideas I was kind of uh exploring and and sharing with Ethan earlier. My my thought is this okay, so we have the Hubble telescope which can see distant stars, and I don't know if it's the device that they use to map out the moons on the planets inside our own solar system, but when I was a kid, I'm 55, when I was a kid, you know, oh well this this planet has four moons, or this one has six. Now some of them have like over 25 or more, you know. So obviously there's been advances in the technology when it comes to magnification and telescopes. But my my thought is this if the you know the missions to the moon are were real, and there really was craft that landed, and there was the the lunar rover and some of the other equipment that was supposedly left behind, why not train one of these telescopes on these objects and just put it all to rest? Well, here it is. You know, there's the lunar rover, there's the lunar lander, and there's the the footprints or whatever. I mean, if they could see, you know, these moons that are orbiting distant planets, how could that same equipment not be utilized to show us and put it all to rest? You know, oh the moon landing's fake or whatever, by just simply showing us what's there.

SPEAKER_05 26:44

So I was talking to uh Julia about that, because you and I were talking about this earlier, and I mentioned that to her. She's like, well, you know, can the can the camera turn? You know what I mean? I said, well, I I got me thinking, how far out in space is it? Is it beyond the moon? So like if it does turn around, is it only seeing the dark side of the moon? Because the moon doesn't rotate. That's why we always see the same side of the moon.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

But there's also telescopes here on Earth, you know, that are in observatories that could probably be trained on it. I mean, because I don't know, but I don't think that all the missions were on the dark side of the moon, were they?

SPEAKER_05 27:20

I don't think any have been, right? No. Well, I mean, if you want to get into conspiracies, it's like I think that that people are saying, I mean, those guys, what, Buzz Aldrin or one of those guys was saying that they didn't even go for starters. I've heard like or suggested weird shit, but I've heard stories, everything from it was uh it was bullshit and it was all made in a in a Hollywood studio to um they were told to leave the planet and never come back. You know what I mean? There's been all sorts of shit that has come out about the moon. You know, anything that's kind of older, you know, let 15 years prior, um, is is like I like those conspiracies because it was like just kind of spitting around and kind of caught caught our ear. And nowadays it's so hard because it's like you can't tell what's real anymore. Like, like that, like that the video of these congressmen talking. I saw a whole news article or a news news program where this guy was kind of laughing at a congressman talking to another congressman about all this disclosure stuff or whatever they're talking about. And the guy said, Yeah, I I I was there and I heard it, and he's like, and this stuff will you know keep you awake at night and it'll really like wreck people and all this. And he's like, wait, what? You're freaking me out, and but I don't even know if that was real. It looked like a real news broadcast. So then now you got all this space stuff, you got, you know, like like how you know, I hate to be like not trusting what I see, but I don't know if I trust what I see.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah, and I I have two, I have two things that I can bring up that might, you know, add some value to the discussion. One is probably close to 30 years ago, um, there I met the author and I saw him give a lecture uh who wrote um Behold the Pale Horse, William Cooper. And he was a Vietnam vet who you know came back and he just started to question things and he started to investigate on his own. And you know, obviously the moon landing was a big thing that everyone believed was real at the time, but when you look at that footage, a lot of it definitely looks like science fiction Hollywood studio production type.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

Like the cat that runs across images.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Well, I mean, like the flag, for instance. Why is the flag waving?

SPEAKER_02 29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

You know, and people said, oh, because it was an air conditioner in the studio. But I mean, there's no oxygen, there's no air, you know. And I don't know, that that's kind of a big tell. But anyways, this guy, like, he presented a lot of information. His book is very interesting. And he was working on another book about the Oklahoma City bombing, and he said that that was a you know, that was kind of a false flag, or the government did it to them be able to do one, two, and three next chess moves. And I don't think that book ever came out, and he was killed in a shootout with sheriffs on his own property later. Um so that's something you can look up and read about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:16

That that you you met this guy.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

I met him and I talked to him on the phone after that a couple a number of times too. I mean, we we talked for a long time after that. And he said, I've never had a lecture presentation that had this many young people there. You know, and it was me and a bunch of other hardcore kids from Syracuse, along with like Nation of Islam type black Muslims and some survivalists. Like it was a pretty interesting cast of characters that went and saw this man speak. But his presentation was so compelling that you know, everybody that everybody that I knew that saw it this started buying books about some of these things and trying to figure out, you know, trying to kind of solve the mystery around me.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

And he was killed in a shootout with the police.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

He's killed in yeah, you can look it up. Yeah, William Cooper, author of Behold the Pale Horse, died in shootout.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

And so he was like an early he was like an early conspiracy theorist then.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Well, I mean, I don't even think the term conspiracy theorist does it justice, you know. I feel like he's more like uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

Whistleblower?

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Yeah, I think that would be a better that's the perfect term. Yeah, a whistleblower. And the other thing that I wanted to bring up was um, you know, what we just discussed. You know, if if you watch that footage, it looks like it looks like Highway production from that era. And one of the one of the ideas that circles around all that is, well, that was done at the time because the US was involved in uh a nuclear standoff with Russia. And that whole um space travel hoax was a precursor to the strategic defense initiative, which was um known as Star Wars at the time in the early 80s, and it was uh, you know, the US was supposedly developing um sonic or particle beam weaponry to shoot down missiles. And it may have all been a hoax, and it was and the Russians believed that it was real, so they started you know, after a while, these guys just put a man on the moon and they've done all these incredible things. They must have the money and the technology to make this happen, and now they're gonna be developing this system to shoot down our our missiles, you know, and the the concept back then was called mutually assured destruction. It was kind of like you know, a Mexican standoff would be the term from the 70s or 80s if you watched a Western. You know, if two people are pointing a gun at each other, like hopefully no one will shoot, you know. And that was that was this yeah, that and that was the strategy behind this whole thing. You know, okay, well, I guess, you know, from the Slovak perspective, now we have to develop these things to counter them or or bypass that. And what it might have actually been was a way to just bankrupt them.

SPEAKER_05 33:13

Well, did you ever hear about um so like from 1961 to like 1985, Russia had you know their space program, they went to Venus. Did you ever hear that?

SPEAKER_01 33:25

No.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

Yeah, there's like there's there's like video footage, they got a little bit of footage. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Um as he was talking about in this this like the space race and who could have like space superiority, so they could like say, oh, we got weapons up there, we could do this. But for whatever reason, they um um historically it's considered Venus is a Russian planet due to their unique successful landings during the Soviet era. But they went there, they they their their stuff sent pictures back and stuff, and like I don't know what the environment was, I can't really remember, but like for whatever reason they were like focused on Venus, and we like were we were either at the moon or faking the moon.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

That's incredible. I would think that Venus would be so close to the sun that anything battled in the center would melt.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

But I think I think that's what was happening I think that's what was happening.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

The other quick thing I wanted to add to this, just you know, so you guys can discuss it, or maybe if people email or call you guys, they can offer their insights or their perspectives. But I I know a woman who's signed. Um he went to Cornell and he had to sign some type of document saying that he was working in a in a laboratory that was connected to the government and he would not be able to disclose anything he was working on. And it was supposedly like four stories under a building, like you know, one basement, two basement, three basement, four basement, basement number four. And anyways, this guy, when he was a teen, was talking to uh Elon Musk. They were doing like FaceTime, and Elon was asking him, well, how would you you know how would you uh modify that this rocket engine in order to achieve this goal? And this kid is a literal genius and he would have answers. And anyways, he works for for Elon Musk now, and he travels back and forth from California to um the rocket base in Texas. Like he flies with this guy, he's with this guy, you know, he's part of his his inner circle and his team. And I asked, you know, I was like, is there you know, ask Elon if he thinks that that aliens are real, and the answer came back that yes, aliens are real, but the distances are so great between the stars that they've never been here, or at least they're not here now, which is weird because it kind of counters all the interesting stuff that I've always read about in Chariots of the Gods, or if you're familiar with you know the Ancient Aliens program. I mean, they make a very convincing case where um either there was you know polar shift that knocks out these civilizations, or people are coming from the star sea, one way or another. And that that's another thing I thought of too. Like, you know, we're kind of going down rabbit holes, but that's that's the point of these long-form discussions about stuff like this. Um one way to look at it is this in during World War II, when the US Navy was going across the Pacific trying to get to Japan, you know, to defeat their them militarily, they were stopping at these islands. And some of them, you know, back in the forties, were there was you know, tribal people living on them that had never seen ships or planes or anything like that. And the US would come ashore and they would build these air bases and these planes would land, and they obviously wanted you know these people on their side, you know, so they were friendly. Here's a machete, here's some you know, uh corn hash, here's whatever. So they were giving these gifts. After the war, obviously the the US withdrew, there was no more planes landing, there was no more ships coming into their lavines, and these people were uh distraught, you know, like, hey, where did these guys go that were giving us all these miraculous gifts? And they would create these effigies of the planes and set them on fire and chant and dance and try to bring them back. And that that could be what happened too. Maybe no aliens have ever been, but what happens is there's advanced civilizations, like I don't know, we hear about like uh Atlantis falling or whatever. You know what I mean? And maybe there was yeah, maybe there was just an advanced civilization in the distant past that was visiting other parts of the world and they saw a vehicle come down out of the sky, so like, oh, they came from the stars. It could be that too. It's fun theory. Yeah, yeah. So it's fun to speculate.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

Well, have you you've you've heard of like the Fermi paradox and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:05

What's that?

SPEAKER_05 38:05

The Fermi paradox, like either like we're too late into the game, like like all the advanced civilizations have already like like been here and perished, and we're just like some fluke at the very tail end of the universe's existence. And there is the seventh. Well, on our planet, but I'm saying in the in the whole universe, like they're saying like like basically like all the universe was alive. Because like there's like a theory, like the there's the Furby paradox has got like I think six or seven different kinds of like theories, and it so basically um so like one of them is we're too far, we're too late. Like everything that's already lived is lived, and everything's dying, we're just the tail end of that life, you know what I mean? And like and like there may be no other life, like everything's already been alive and wiped out through natural disaster wars, whatever, you know, they've they've lived their course. Um, or we're too early, we're too early, you know, a life just the plant the universe just isn't or the galaxies or whatever just isn't teeming with life like it is. It's like there's a lot of plants are starting to discover have like elements of life like water and like I think like certain things, but um and then they they there's a theory, something along the lines of that uh like an advanced race would create a machine that could replicate itself and just travel the universe. So what it would do is like the you'd send you make like say a hundred machines that could replicate themselves. They'd fly to a planet, they'd land there, they'd do tests and experiments, and then they would um they would rebuild they they that's what they knew, they they'd harvest the the planet for whatever they needed, re duplicate themselves, and that's their only mission. They just keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. And um and they would just continue to do that. So if uh if an advanced race that did do that was here, these these things would be everywhere. You know, like and and so they could we don't see any evidence of that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 39:58

I've heard that's what the grays are, because they all look alike. The the grays are just uh you know, a robot basically, a cyborg or something. Yeah, machine.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

Yeah, I've heard that too.

SPEAKER_05 40:08

Have you seen some of the pictures they show from Mexico? Like they do these advanced photos of like, oh, this was seen in someplace in Mexico, and they'll show like the spaceship when they when they start breaking it down. It almost looks like uh electrical board, like a little like it looks almost because it's got wires wrapped around. It's really fucking weird, almost like a probe. Like a like to me, I'm always like, dude, we're inside of a living creature, and some doctor, you know, is sending little microbes in, like little like nanotechnology things in to just observe what's happening and where's the cancer fucking up and all this shit. It's just observing everything and I mean trying to figure it out. I'm like Well, we have an expert on probes right here on the show with us today, Bacon.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Why don't you well Ethan Bacon knows a lot about bagging?

SPEAKER_05 40:51

It's called inner space. Inner space. It's called Mind Your Own Business.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

But my thought is this, though. It's like, I mean, if that came down from Elon Musk, who is you know the Tesla, the Thomas Edison of our time, you know, he's one of the most you know brilliant engineers and designers uh on the planet. I mean, this guy is like literally making technological miracles reality. So I mean if that will if that is his actual thought and that's truthful, I mean it's it's interesting food for thought. And uh I don't necessarily believe it. I don't know what to believe at this point, but it's interesting. It's interesting to it was interesting to hear that. And so you know, because it kind of it kind of runs in contrast of all these other you know, against all these other ideas.

SPEAKER_05 41:46

Have you heard that people are saying that this moon mission is uh is a hoax? Have you heard that yet?

SPEAKER_01 41:53

No, but and that and that's the problem with all this stuff because it calls it calls everything into question. Like when you go back and you look at that like moon landing footage, and you know, for lack of a better term, it looks fake. I mean, what are you supposed to think? You know what I mean? I mean, if you look at like World War II aircraft footage, you're like, oh yeah, it's it's black and white, but it's moving like a plane. You know, I don't know. But if you you look at the the you know, the moon rover and everything else, you're like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

That it's it's hard to look like it was in its TV, you know. It's hard these days to distinguish what's real and fake anyway. And and looking at old footage, it's like just seems obvious, like the old what, nuclear bomb, the atomic bombs or whatever they had that footage, like there's a camera like right there, and then it just uh cars are getting annihilated, but the houses look like they're made of toothpicks, and the cars look kind of fake, and it's like, is that even real? You know, like how they zoom, they zoomed into that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

I have something I can add um to that as well. Uh he wasn't an actual uncle, he was more like a godfather, but he was uh he was a seaplane pilot after World War II, and he actually was part of he was actually part of the mission to get the tribal people off of the island. You know, and he's when they were building these bases. No, when they were testing these these early nuclear weapons. You know, and he I think it was Bikini Atoll or Bikini Island, and you know, he was flying these people away while they you know detonated these bombs, and he actually saw whether that nations from a ship. So I do believe that nuclear weapons are real, absolutely. Well, I'm not saying they're not I'm not saying they're not real.

SPEAKER_05 43:38

I'm just saying some of that footage of them testing it and stuff, like where they have the camera showing a house, and it's just like there's no other houses near, it's just wiping it away. I know and I know a lot of that stuff, like they'd be filming like a military staged house, so it would probably look like toothpicks because it's probably just a a frame just to kind of see what it would do image wise. But yeah, dude, it's har it's hard to believe a lot of shit now, man. Especially with

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Yeah. But it's just it's just something to think about, you know. I mean, this guy was on top of it 30 years ago, and like his presentation was pretty compelling, and it called a lot of other things into question, and uh it just made me think like well why would they hoax something like this? And why are there other things that feel like hoaxes? Like what what is the what is the end game? I guess that's the big question. You know, what is the end game? You know, people can obviously like pick up on this little thread and start pulling and going down the rabbit hole and googling or finding books or whatever else. I mean, Corey, um he worked at the airport, and there's people there that were in the air force that worked at Area 51 that he was there, you know, fueling planes with, and he said they wouldn't say a word about about it. They had signed you know, they'd signed documents swearing that the secrecy.

SPEAKER_05 45:00

Um did you see anything about that Bob Bazar movie?

SPEAKER_01 45:05

No, no.

SPEAKER_05 45:06

It's like a documentary on him. I mean, we've all heard the story a million times. If you know anything about aliens in space and alien technology, you you probably heard Bob Lazar, and but the movie basically just talks about him. It's all this, it's like the same type of stuff. But he was like one of the first ones you'd really heard saying anything about that, like sworn to secrecy and all this stuff. He talked about this weird shit, and this thing said this documentary kind of backed him up a little bit because people were starting to think he was crazy, just making shit up, but like it just his story was so solid.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

But well, what what makes him so credible is that he you know years ago was talking about a new element that we didn't know about, and everybody at the time was like, Oh, that's bullshit because that element doesn't exist, and now it fucking does.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

Well, there's a lot of things that he did. That that's the thing. That's the thing with a lot of conspiracies. A lot of conspiracies are like that where it just they're bullshit until five, ten years later, oh, that happened to be true. But they never go back and say, Yeah, you guys aren't crazy, is leave us crazy and just move on, you know. But but yeah, Carl, we wanted to talk to you about that stuff. I don't want to keep you too long.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

I know you said you had some things to do and stuff, but I uh could you have more important than Tad and Chat podcast?

SPEAKER_01 46:17

No, I'm just joking. Just joking. But no, but I mean those are the all those are the only stories that I I really have, you know. It and they're just things that I've experienced and I figured if you guys are in this topic tonight, it's something that I could bring, you know. Well, I love having you and other and other yeah, and other people can chime off, you know.

SPEAKER_05 46:35

I love having you on every once in a while and just talking about random shit. We got we'll we'll have another crazy story, and I'll I'll fill you in in advance. But yep, I want I got I got an idea. So we'll we'll get we'll get you looked up.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

I look forward to uh meeting you in person. I gotta get an autograph copy of this book, so you gotta get your autograph on there.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Awesome. So yeah, so awesome, yeah. We'll make that happen.

SPEAKER_05 46:55

We'll give you a little plug. So, Carl Biegner, my friend, uh for over 20 years in the band Earth Crisis. You guys are playing a show soon, right? May something? Uh was it?

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Yeah, it's uh at the beginning of May. We're doing a show.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

Thanks for reminding me, man. May, May, was it's at Bleachers or not Bleachers? What's it called?

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Sharkies.

SPEAKER_05 47:18

Sharkies, sharkies, yeah. And down in Syracuse. And uh you also are the author of the book The Unraveling.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

The Council of Crows, yep, and we're playing Montreal and Quebec, I think, and we're doing Hellfest East in July, and we just were in Brazil and Colombia and Earth crisis. Busy guy. Where were we? We were we were in Brazil, Colombia, and Chile, Santiago, yeah. Yeah, so and we're going to Europe in November.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

Awesome. That's great, dude. Carl, I will talk to you soon. We're gonna let you get back to your business and we're gonna get back to our business here. But uh, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks, man. It was good to talk to you.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

All right, good to talk to all you guys. Have a good night.

SPEAKER_05 48:09

Later, Carl. Take care, brother. So, yeah, so one thing that he didn't talk about was he had mentioned Project Bluebeam.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:18

Do you know anything about Project Bluebeam?

SPEAKER_03 48:20

I know the name. Do you know anything about it? I don't think so. Was it wasn't a Reagan era um program?

SPEAKER_05 48:27

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Let me let me I know Blue Book. That was pretty cool. I don't know why they canceled that series. That series was so good. Did you watch it? I was at Alien Con. I went to Alien Con like several years ago, obviously. Yeah, and I was outside, I was talking to these guys, and they're like, Hey, have you heard of this new show that's gonna be starting soon? It's called the Project Blue Book. Like, no, like tell me about it. And they told me, I'm like, oh my god, this is gonna be awesome. And it was just like, I don't know, maybe six months after that that it came out, and I was like, this show is awesome, and then they canceled it. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_05 49:02

So so Project Bluebeam Um is like uh it's it's it's it's basically um it suggests that a s uh an alien invasion um or divine event using to manipulate, yeah. Um I have heard of it. So like I think at one point they were talking about like um like having a cross in the sky or having you of uh a UFO battle in the sky and stuff, and like the idea was like I mean, I think if the if the world believed in God and everybody believed in heavens and Jesus, it'd be a battle of of Jesus and in the heavens, right? Good versus evil. But but I think um because right now we live in this everybody believes in pretty much or thinks aliens are real to some extent, you know what I mean? Everybody's kind of questioning all the shit, um, that they would do some sort of alien, holographic, alien um um um event. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 49:59

So scare everybody into complying, right?

SPEAKER_05 50:02

When I was talking to Carl earlier, I'm surprised he didn't say it, but he said that it was like are they in the backside of the moon, like setting up these holograms or like setting, you know. I'm like, I'm like, that's a great theory, dude. But like, I don't know. But that's the thing, like you get going down the rabbit hole with these conspiracies, it's kind of like this is some crazy shit. You know, it's funny because Ethan, every time I'm always talking about Ethan being on here and stuff, he's like, Can you guys talk last episode just talked about fun stuff? He's like, Can you just talk about fun stuff? He's like, Because you know that I'm sitting there thinking about this shit. I'm like, Well, the world didn't end on Easter like we thought that one time, so so we're all good.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

I was praying that it wouldn't happen. I told you it wasn't gonna happen. And then I I sampled 12, and after 12 is over, like on East, like on the day of Easter, I'm like, okay, there's still like one minute left of the day of next day. Actually, I I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Why didn't you just look at news and like Guam or something? Okay, did they make okay?

SPEAKER_00 50:56

It's the next day for them, so we're already I did it till um I did it till 11:30, and then I I had a really, really bad headache. I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna go to sleep. I'm dying. My head is killing me. If I stay up any longer, I feel like I'm gonna die, okay?

SPEAKER_05 51:13

Well, yeah, so who knows? Who knows what's real?

SPEAKER_00 51:17

God damn it. All right, let's go back to sleep.

SPEAKER_05 51:19

So I guess I guess the question is, is the Artemis 2 even really in space? Is it real? Is it fake? Is it sounds? Is it all bullshit?

SPEAKER_03 51:29

I want to believe. I want to believe as well.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

I mean, I want to believe too.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

But I've seen some footage of like McNASA that's very questionable, like they're floating around you know, like in the little capsule. You know, like the little broadcasts they do. Yeah, and there's a guy off to the corner drinking out of a plastic cup, and he's not floating around. The liquid is fine, you know.

SPEAKER_05 51:55

Well, there's all there's been we I've seen stuff like that. They've put videos up where like people are setting things down or something, something falls on the ground, like everything's floating, or like one guy spins, it looks like there's wires. I don't know if that shit's real or not, though. I don't know if that's AI, if that's like, okay, make him spinning, but make sure make it look like he's on wires, but you can't see the wires, you know? That's the problem with his. If you're watching it on TikTok, just don't believe it to be true. Yeah, I don't have TikTok, so that won't be a problem. But if you're watching it anywhere on social media, like any any any of those videos, like you just gotta automatically I like watching the videos of people walking up and grabbing packages and then they explode, and people are like, ah, and like some of them are just so fucked up. You ever watch a I love those fucking videos? The glitter bombs and stuff. Like someone will someone'll sneak up, it'll it'll be like this larger than life person, you know, and they're like they can barely walk up and they grab, they're like walking away, and then the thing explodes and they fall on the ground, and like people are like, ah, stay up my porch, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Like, uh, uh like litter bombs, like Rick Roos. It's like, oh, I know that something like a flamethrower shows up.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

Well, well, like sometimes I see them and they're like, I'm calling the cops on you. Like, you were fucking robbing me. What are you talking about? He's like, I can't see, I gotta work tomorrow. And like the I'm like, what in the that's how fucked up this shit is.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Like when you have your drugs ripped off, like somebody steals your drugs. I'm telling the cops, uh, go ahead and tell the cops that I took your drugs.

SPEAKER_05 53:26

I think I I there was like I think there's a cops episode like that one time where the guy's calling, like, wait, so you're calling us because he stole he stole your drugs? Like, yeah, I gave him this much crack and he didn't give my money, so I want my shit back. You know, I mean it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, what? I was gonna tell you earlier, I almost got into a fight today, this morning, 7 30 in the morning. What?

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Yeah, dude, so I go to fucking Yeah, but Julia is lucky.

SPEAKER_05 53:50

Well, yeah, Julia's lucky almost great. No, I'm driving, I had I had my niece in the car, and uh she'd have whooped your ass. I uh I had to go, I had to go to um I was building my guitar. Yeah, yeah. And um, and so it's in it's in Parrishville. So I'm driving, I stop at a gas station that's like a sandwich place. I go there, I have to go in, I had cash on me, so I was like, I'm just gonna go prepay, I'm gonna get a sandwich for later because I was I was gonna be in the middle of nowhere building this guitar, so I wanted to have something for lunch or whatever. So I go in there, get my sandwich, come back out, I pump my gas, I get done, I sit in the car, and I start to drive away, I look around, there's no car, so I'm I'm driving away. People keep just going to Tim Hortons behind on the right side of me. So I'm I take a left to go around the pumps because all the pumps here, I parked in the farthest one to the right. And and I as I was turning like this, I kind of saw in the bat in the corner of my eye, I saw a truck like ripping in, just like being an asshole, you know. So he rips in and he's like, He goes, I thought he was going to a pump, so I was like, I'm I just didn't even pay attention. I thought he was gonna fucking stop. So I'm driving. I drive around the front and then I then I kind of hear him slam on his brakes and and then like kind of like I think he beeped at me, and then like fucking like as I drove by kind of looked, he's got his arms up fucking flailing. I'm like, what the fuck is up with it? It's like 7 30 in the fucking morning. I'm like, what the fuck is up with this motherfucker? So I just keep going and shit. I'm like, whatever. And and and so uh I see him still like he rips it and squeals into the parking space next to another car. And so I just I just flipped him off. I'm like, fuck you, motherfucker. And then I hear him yelling, he's like, Yeah, oh so loud. And the girl, my my niece is sitting next to me, she's like, What is that? I'm like, there's a guy yelling at me, hang on a second. So I rolled the window down, I look at him, and I didn't say anything too much. I was like, put my like what the fuck you doing, dude? He's like, Yeah, motherfucker, you welcome back over here. I'm sitting there thinking, like, this guy is either methed out, fucking cooked up from the night before, just had way too much caffeine, or just that guy. You know what I mean? Like that really's fucking ready to fucking go. I'm like, it's Wednesday morning, 7.30. Like, there's no fucking way you're just amped up at 7.30 in the morning. So I'm like, so I'm just like, I flipped him off again, I think. He's like, oh, and he's fucking, he's like panicking. What? He's yeah, he's panicking and shit. And I'm just like, and I just look at him, I thought, I'm gonna get out and say something to this guy. I'm like, you know what, man? It's too fucking early, man. My fucking hand's been killing me lately. I got like trigger finger in one of my fingers and shit. It's just my hand is sore as fuck, and I'm like, what am I gonna get into a fight with this fucking guy? He looked like a young kid. I own two businesses and shit. Like, that's just what I need is a fucking fight. This fucking guy is probably mething around, you know what I mean? So I'm like, I thought, fuck this shit. So I just I just brushed him off and drove away, and he's just like, fuck you, yeah, and I was like, I think he's gonna fucking follow me. I'm like, it was cool, but I mean it didn't really matter because I was dropping my niece off and her her mom is uh it's a state trooper and they're getting ready for work, and then her her, so is my sister, my my wife's sister, she's she's she's married um to another chick, and that's her mom, and she's a a border patrol or uh customs agent or border patrol? Border patrol, I can't remember. But but they're both law enforcement, getting ready for work. I'm like, I I hope this dude fucking follows me. I'm just I'm not gonna say these two chicks are gonna come out and um I was just gonna calm say, listen, this guy's following me. I thought it'd be funny if they arrested him right there in their fucking driveway. You know what I mean? Like it was the weirdest fucking like what in the fuck is going on moment.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

Like he said, hey, tune into Tat and Chat Podcast.

SPEAKER_05 57:06

Hey, it just put a sticker on his forehead after he gets arrested. But I was just like, what is happening, man? This fucking guy out of nowhere just like he's like just losing it. And I like this a part of me thought, I'm just gonna get out and say something. I'm like, nope, this guy's too amped up. And then I thought, if I do, I'm a little bit shorter, I'm just gonna headbutt him right in the fucking mouth. Bam! You know what I mean? And I was like, I'm not even what am I doing? I'm I'm I had my 14-year-old niece is with me. I'm not gonna get to a fight with this like this kid with me. You know what I mean? I'm bringing her home. I'm like, all of it just sounded horrible. So I just drove away. I almost thought about I almost thought about going back to the store though and saying, hey, some guy in here was freaking out this morning. Yeah, that was my boyfriend. You know what I mean? I thought, oh fuck. But yeah, it was the it was weird. I just didn't even expect it. And I was like playing happy music. I'm like, let's play some happy music because she's like she's going home, she's bummed out, she had to leave as early in the morning. So I was playing like Daft Punk and all this like uppity shit, and then this guy fucking comes out of nowhere. I'm like, just the rest way miserable, like motherfucker. Yep, early morning fights.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Can we continue playing happy music? No, there's no more happy music.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

No more happy music. I gotta tell you my story because you reminded me that I was gonna tell a story. So we're on the way home from New York City, we stop at a rest stop, right? And uh go in the bathroom, and this guy, it was a blind guy, and he's walking with a stick, and his son, I didn't know it was his son at the time, but he's a younger guy helping him walk, right? And they go up to the sinks, and they're all the uh the motion sinks, right? And he goes, Dad, it's the motion sink. You just put your hand under it. So he puts his hand under it, but it's the blow dryer one because they had like the soap and then the sink and then the blow dryer. So he sticks his hand under there, it's the blow dryer, and it blows on him, and he goes, Ah, fuck! He like jumps back and his son kind of chuckles, and like you know, a bunch of people kind of chuckle, but we're trying not to laugh because you don't want to be rude. But then he goes, uh, his son goes, That's the dryer, you gotta put it under the water, and he goes, Well, I can't fucking see it, can I? And then the whole bathroom just started laughing.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

Yeah, that would suck. Be blind. I mean, having it hit you probably you probably thought it was like either really hot water or you know you you ever seen those tests where people put their they put their hand on a table like this and then they put a towel over it and they put a fake hand coming out of their arm and they hit it with a hammer and ah, people like they're brain just kind of thinks it's it's real. So imagine not being able to see and you just put your hand over there.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:39

Or like some something really cold they put on the people's skin and they think it's really hot, they can't tell the difference.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah. Yeah. Like uh what was that movie? Punisher. Right, and he's putting he's uh he's using the blowtorch to sizzle the meat, and then he sticks a popsicle on his back and the guy's like freaking out.

SPEAKER_05 59:57

It's like you son of a bitch. What is that the Thomas Jane one? Yeah, that's a good one I like that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

Yeah, that's a good movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

It's like kind of like indie filmish, but I liked it. I thought that one was good. Yep. I mean, Thomas Jane, I I like Thomas Jane, but like some of the stuff was a little corny. But um, did you ever see the fucking Punisher movie with um Ray Ray Stevenson?

unknown 1:00:17

Ray Stevenson.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

Oh, yeah, I didn't like that. Warzone. Oh my god. I didn't like that one. I did you watch that one? No, I haven't seen that one. You'd like that one. That one is like that's like a horror movie almost. Like the Punisher is fucking literally that's kind of like a B movie too at times, but like, but when he's like smashing dudes, like this one dude, I'm gonna tell you one thing, that's spoiler. So this one dude's sitting there, he's got his head against the wall, and he's he's smoking a cigarette, and the punish comes up to him, punches him right in the face, and his whole face collapses, and his fist is right in his head and he pulls out. Imagine something Jason would do. And I'm like, what the fuck? He's like right in the very beginning.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

I don't see, I don't like movies like that. They're just I don't know, they're too far far-fetched or something. It's like the series. It's the punisher. I know, but I like like the series. I can't say I didn't like the series, but it was just so dark corny. It was cheesy. And like I I he'd get like he'll get beat with lead pipes, shot 97 fucking hundred times, and then you'll get up and whoop the shit out of like 40 people. Like, come on, dude. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:22

People are like that, Josh. Okay. Very realistic. Haven't you ever seen John Wick? Very grounded. I did see I just watched Ballerina the other day. John Wick is awesome. I know it's far fetched, you know, but Ballerina's not good. Not really. John Wick just got the hook and people liked it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

It was John Wick. It was the same thing. It was just uh it was a girl version of John Wick, but it that's the things are just too I don't like the friggin' the Japanese movies where they're jumping from treetop to treetop and fighting up in the air. I don't like that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

Crouching tiger, hidden dragon.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

Yeah, I I can't stand movies like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:59

I just don't like that. Wire foo. So you don't like Jason Statham movies then where he's just you know Jathan's Jason Jatham. I love them. They're like they're kind of some of the other ones are kind of indie fashion.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

I should have had a I should have named a kid Jathan. I say that so much like I have a speech impediment. Jason Statham.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Jason Statham, he's the fifth movie, they're like just out there. I'm a snake a thnak.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

So is that is that bad? Are we dick ads right now? Don't think so. Yeah, I like Jason Statham movies. Yeah, they're they're alright. Cranky. I like Statham.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:38

Yeah, it's over the top, but it's fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

The Transporter.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Yeah, the it's a good movie. Uh The Beekeeper, you see that one? Oh no. Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

The Meg. Those are my late night movies, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Meg, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

When I'm sitting there at night and it's like 11:30, 12 and everybody's in bed, I'm like, fuck. I usually go to Jason Statham. I'm like, what's he got out?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

I held off on the Meg for so long. I'm like, come on, how are you gonna fight a frickin' shark? Right? I'm like, this is this is just no. And like years. It was like a couple of years. I think the second one was out before I watched the first one. I watched it and I'm like, that movie was pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:13

Yeah, I haven't watched yet. I only saw one part where they're sitting there, and I think they just fought the shark, and that was the deal, but I haven't uh I haven't um watched yet, but I want to watch it on my list.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

Have you ever seen the one with Jason Statham and Jet Lee? Yes, it's like multi-dimensional shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

Yeah, it's fucking cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

Yeah, that's that's about 20 years old now. Gently was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah. Rome Almost Die. Yeah. Those are good movies.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

Yeah, I'm gonna that's what I'm doing tonight, late night. Watching watching some random theater. Let's do it. Let's get some pizza. Dude, I'm dying. Anytime you get there's a movie you want to watch, like I wanted to bring the kids down to watch the Indiana Jones series there. Like, because there's like there's movies I just haven't seen at the theater, I haven't seen in a long time in the theater. I'm like, you know, I'm gonna watch them at my theater. Yeah, let's do it. Let's let's play on a fucking night, make some pizza, watch some fucking cool movies.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

But sounds like a date. It is so uh are we we wrapping up?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:08

Yeah, I think we're wrapping up.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

I wrote a joke. This is my joke. So great. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:13

I didn't know he could even write.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

But I got I gotta read it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:16

He wrote me a letter. It's like it's like it's like it's like Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. It's half of it's in the pictures. And I'm like, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

Here we go. You guys will be the uh be the judge.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

Don't laugh no matter what. Even if it's funny, just don't laugh.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

You can't help but laugh. You yeah, let me tell it with the mask on.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:41

Oh, that is funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:43

All right, so it's uh I wrote this because we were talking about aliens today, so it just popped into my head and I wrote it down. So it's Halloween, and a guy goes to a costume party. He goes, he goes in the bathroom to take a leak, and uh he sees a guy in there dressed as an alien. He says, Man, that is an awesome costume, dude. It looks so realistic. How'd you get it to look so real? Alien says to the man, it's not a costume. I'm really an alien, but I can't go out in public because people would spot would spot me immediately. So I love going to costume parties because I blend in. The man says, Oh my god, this is so awesome! I can't believe I'm meeting a real life alien. Uh then he says, You have to tell me something about yourself because my friends are never going to believe me. The alien says, I don't know, man. I'm really private. I like to keep to myself. I don't know if I can share any of my personal life with you. The man says, Oh, come on, man. I have to know something about your species. My friends were never gonna believe that I met a a real live alien. The alien says, Yeah, okay. I tell you what, as As an alien, I never get to experience a lot of pleasures and desires that human life has to offer. So if you give me a blowjob, I'll tell you something personal about myself. The man thinks about it for a minute, then he says, Yeah, I mean, sure, I'll give you a blowjob. So he finishes up, and he says to the alien, Okay, man, deal's the deal. Now to tell me something personal about yourself. The alien says, Well, let's see. One time I was picked up by the men in black and taken to a secret facility where I was kept for three weeks. The man says, Wow, that is wild, man. How did you escape? Alien says, I didn't escape. They let me go. The man says, What? They just let you go? Why would they just let you go? Alien says, Well, they found out I was a man in an alien costume.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:55

That's a good joke. That's a good premise for a movie. Not bad, dude. So I gotta I gotta do a cut where we're at the end. Like get one of us not laughing.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

Just stone sober. Yeah. Horrible. Terrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:14

Just kidding. This is what it's really like. Good joke. Ethan Bacon. It was nice to have you here today. Yeah. Nice to be here. You should do it again. Definitely. Josh, I like your original joke. You should do more original jokes. You're a really good writer. Yeah. Like you're writing this show. I'm like, wow, he's actually, it's it's it's working. It's jamming.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

I was reading it. I'm like, does this sound like a kid's book? Blowjob. Nope.

unknown 1:07:37

Oregon. Too much kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:38

Add blowjob, it's not a kid's book anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:41

Add a sexual joke in order to make sure that you know it's for adults.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:45

Yep. Yep. We just had to throw the blowjob in to make sure we knew it was for the adult population. All right, guys. Awesome seeing you guys. You too, man. Thanks for listening to the Tat and Chat Podcast. We will see you next Tuesday. Peace.