The Wholesome Menace Podcast
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Everyone Wants A Leader, Until It's Time to Follow.
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In Episode 9, the Menaces unpack a tension most people feel but rarely admit: why do people say they want leadership… but resist being led?
From relationships to workplaces to culture at large, everyone talks about wanting strong leadership, direction, and structure. But the moment accountability shows up, the conversation changes. We explore the difference between wanting guidance and actually accepting authority, and why following may be harder than leading.
As always, the conversation goes beyond the main topic. The Menaces move through their usual segments, real-life examples, and some unfiltered opinions along the way.
In Debate Club, we throw another question on the table:
Is jealousy a natural human emotion—or just insecurity dressed up as something justified?
Honest conversations. Different perspectives. A little chaos.
Welcome back to Wholesome Menace.
Hello, welcome to the Holes and Menace podcast. I am your host, Chris Marie. We have your host, Stefan, and your host, Reesa. Hey y'all.
SPEAKER_10Welcome exciting to be back at work.
SPEAKER_07I know. I mean, we had what a week? Yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's like a month.
SPEAKER_10I hated it.
SPEAKER_06It does feel like it's been a long time. You had a lot of editing to do.
SPEAKER_10For sure.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10That episode was so good.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and we made some discoveries which needed to be addressed. Yeah. So it wasn't like a week wasted. It just was kind of weird being away from the sun.
SPEAKER_10Yes. Big time.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Glad to be back though.
SPEAKER_06Me too. I didn't know if I was gonna know what to do coming back.
SPEAKER_07I didn't know. I guess my first day all over again. I need a refresher. That is hilarious.
SPEAKER_06Oh god.
SPEAKER_10Alright, so let's get into some attitude and gratitude.
SPEAKER_09Help me grow. I skip home.
SPEAKER_06I was okay. I'm letting bullshit go this week. Okay. I was about to play it again. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was playing this in the car earlier, and Zoe was too through with me. She was like. You can't be serious. Yeah, I'm like, you have no idea. This is adult music. Yeah. Move around, kid. Okay, so this is grown-up stuff.
SPEAKER_10Letting bullshit go.
SPEAKER_06Yes.
SPEAKER_10Our world is really crazy right now. I don't want to get into the politics of it all. Just we'll just say that they are pissing on us and they don't want to give us the courtesy of calling it rain.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well.
SPEAKER_10What's new? And all the craziness that's happening, how are you guys coping? What are you doing to cope?
SPEAKER_06Wanna go first? Yeah, sure. I just kind of mind my business and live my life every day the way I'm used to living it. There's nothing I can do as one individual to make things better or make everybody make shit better. So I just be like, fuck it. Some people are just dumb anyways.
SPEAKER_05That's true. And I haven't the time.
SPEAKER_10For sure. That is true.
SPEAKER_05So I'm gonna live until I can't.
SPEAKER_10That's a bar.
SPEAKER_06Me personally, I don't watch the news, so I don't know what the fuck's going on. Don't care. I got my own things going on. I don't work in politics. I don't. I guess I kind of live in it, but I don't give a shit. Told you I'm serious. I'm not letting that shit affect my life. And the reason why is because I used to, and my anxiety was through the roof to the point that my mother had to force me to stop watching the news. You were really watching it a lot at one point. It was weird. Knew everything that was going on. Yeah. Yeah. And I was I remember that. It was weird. It was weird. It was really intense. Once I'm in something, I'm in it. That's something I had to get the fuck out of. Yeah. Yeah. I like last year. I absolutely things too. But yeah. Yeah. That's just not a joke and matter. I'd rather have a good time.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I think that I smoke far more than I did before I started paying attention to the ways of the world.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Actually, it's funny. I met a guy at work years ago. He said, uh, how do you decompress? I said, I don't know. Watch TV or something. He said, Do you smoke? He said, Do you smoke? I said, No. He said you should start.
SPEAKER_06Great influence. Right. What's his name? No, you don't have to say his name, brother.
SPEAKER_08I was just around here.
SPEAKER_06Tell me later.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. And it's just not that I couldn't live the world soberly, but that's what they're doing. Bullshit out there. And I don't even want to this blatant.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10From top to the bottom.
SPEAKER_06In your face to like you don't believe it. I I believe everything I see. And here. I I can't stand it. I can't stand that she believes everything that she hears and sees. This thing be sending me shit. Everything's shit. Look at this. Look at this. It's real.
SPEAKER_08I'm like, bro, this is gotta be real. Everything's real.
SPEAKER_10They're lying.
SPEAKER_05Everything came from somewhere.
SPEAKER_06For sure. I believe that.
SPEAKER_10We live in a society where they're pushing that. And it's chaotic. And people are putting their very lives in these people's hands, right? What we're finding in this circle at least is that we're like-minded individuals who want to do community together despite whatever they got going on. Yeah. Right. Despite the gas prices going up. Can I complain about it?
SPEAKER_06Make a little bit of noise, not my gas. I gotta get to work. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Because they're doing whatever they're doing. It's really sad because on the other side of the world, people are actually dying. Yeah, I know. And it's something that I think about. And I guess here in America, we don't feel some of those repercussions.
SPEAKER_05Right now.
SPEAKER_10Right now.
SPEAKER_06So that because I think about it coming over here. It's it's not like an unrealistic thing. Just because it hasn't happened in however long. But this nigga fucking.
SPEAKER_10That could be.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I'm just gonna find a cave or a hole to hide out in until it passes.
SPEAKER_10But that's what I mean. Like we're like-minded individuals, so we all understand what life should like if the world goes that way. Yeah. What we all need to do to make sure that we continue should the world go that way. Yeah. And that's what I mean. Like, how are you coping in the middle of that? You guys are finding ways to hey, I gotta live this life regardless.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_10Whether they're doing that or not.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And I feel like maybe that's not conversations that are happening in throughout our community, right? Because we're so dependent on the government. We're so dependent on social services. We're so dependent on Hanford and Price Drapper. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but like, do you know how to plant your own garden? She does. Yeah. So I got a bunch of seeds for you. I got I'd love to have them. Yeah. I got oh, I got 'em. Gotta do that this summer.
SPEAKER_10All I can say is that that you are your saving grace. You're gonna save it. Yeah. Nobody's coming to save you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Self-efficiency is very important. You're gonna have them. Yeah. I'm trying to be as self-sufficient as possible.
SPEAKER_10Big time.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Hunter, gatherer, all the things if I have to be.
SPEAKER_10That's all I have for attitude and gratitude.
SPEAKER_06I love that. Yeah. That was a good question. Okay. That uh gratitude gave me a great attitude. Now that was cool.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Now we have I've been waiting for this.
SPEAKER_06It's been so long. I don't know if I'm gonna be good at this game anymore. You'll be just fine. Oh my goodness. Alright. It's not you.
SPEAKER_10I know I suck at this.
SPEAKER_06It's okay, Benoit. You did pretty good last time. You really did. We got one. We got one each. We both got one each. And I got two. Oh, so we didn't get shamed. I'm gonna start rooting for you guys. I'm sorry that I'm always down and hoping you're gonna lose. Yeah, not right. I've got a different attitude. At least we know the world is normal.
SPEAKER_10She starts turning nice and be good.
SPEAKER_06Okay. Now, for your first two. Cranes in the sky. Solange.
SPEAKER_04Bug. I should have known.
SPEAKER_06I'm sorry, Stefan. I really didn't think she was gonna get that that easily, but I didn't need it.
SPEAKER_05Didn't need it.
SPEAKER_06I like it. I like that.
SPEAKER_05I know it's a longe.
SPEAKER_06Good job.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's a really good song. We'll listen to it after.
SPEAKER_06All right. Risa got that. Damn, you're good, girl. Now I don't know if I want to be proud. Come on. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Quick switch. Okay. For your movie quote. For your movie quote.
SPEAKER_03I didn't want to answer to. Why don't you let me know? I don't. Why? You reckon my float, okay? Excuse the fuck out of me.
SPEAKER_05Is that near long?
SPEAKER_06The movie quotes are like my fave, I think. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05That's an older movie.
SPEAKER_06I know this nickname quote.
SPEAKER_03I know you don't know it.
SPEAKER_06Play it again.
SPEAKER_03I learned a long time ago not to ask a question. I didn't want to know how to ask it too.
SPEAKER_06Love Jones? Ding ding ding ding ding. Damn. I never even seen that movie. You've never seen Love Jones. Maybe I did. Bitch. I was about to say, what you this is if she's never seen it. Can you see my shit? I'm not. You know how I knew? Because I know Nina Long's voice, and then I had to listen again, and I'm like, that's Lorenz Tate. You know what else I knew? You're full of shit. You said I've never seen the movie. You're gonna guess the goddamn movie. You seen it. I'm gonna go with you seen it. All right, let's go. Congratulations. Thank you.
SPEAKER_07Congrats for a boy.
SPEAKER_06God Z. All right. Hilarious tune. That Bridgeton beat. Yeah. I would have never got that trash. Well. Cap. My bed. Oh god. All right. Last movie quote. Who's ready? Who's ready? I think I'm ready.
SPEAKER_05Let me have it. We'll do this one.
SPEAKER_00You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god, what is that? I know that guy's face. I don't know his name. I don't know his name either, but he's hilarious. Yeah, he is.
unknownOh my goodness.
SPEAKER_06For sure. That's very fun.
SPEAKER_00You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.
SPEAKER_05Fuck. I want to say something, but I don't think it's right.
SPEAKER_06It's not. It's not right. One more? Wait, wait, give me a second. You don't know it?
SPEAKER_10I'm thinking of something else.
SPEAKER_06Damn you, Benoit. One more?
SPEAKER_10You said Vince Fawn, so now I'm thinking of something else entirely, but I don't think it's that either.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, one more, one more.
SPEAKER_00You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.
SPEAKER_05Fuck, it's not the breakup, huh?
SPEAKER_06It is the break. I love that movie. One of the best. Yes. Damn. I was gonna say four Christmases. I'm so glad I didn't. I'm so glad I took that third listen. I've been real hasty twice. No. You gotta give us our three turns. Okay, fine. I really suck at the cool. You ever see the breakup? Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn? Never ever. What have you seen? Because I feel like that list is short and you probably could name them. Please tell us. We're all waiting. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter. Love Harry Potter. I don't remember that, but have you ever seen like so he's a nerd? Like I said. Yeah. Um me too, though. I love them shit. 007s. What about all the Mission Impossibles?
SPEAKER_10Watched all the Mission Impossibles. Nice.
SPEAKER_06I'm not into the action like that. Love it. I need it. I gotta have it.
SPEAKER_10All the Pirates of the Caribbean.
SPEAKER_06What was it? What did you say? Pirates of the Caribbean. Disney.
SPEAKER_07They can live on a Disney channel. Uh yeah, all that.
SPEAKER_06Manda.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's Star Wars, but still.
SPEAKER_06All of it. Marvel.
SPEAKER_03All of it.
SPEAKER_06Oh, fucking Marvel for sure. I love Marvel. I'm in a DC, but Marvel is just my shit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I'm like a bigger job of it than DC is and DC has some good shit.
SPEAKER_06They got some good shit. They don't keep up with it, I feel like. Or they like just kind of let it go. Did they ever come out with another uh season of that penguin shit? Because that I'm not gonna lie, they did good with that. That was pretty. I actually didn't watch that shit. It was good. I watched Teen Titans or Titans, whatever. Colin Farrell. You know he plays him. He does? Yes. I'm gonna watch it. You gotta watch Colin Farrell. Yeah, they got some like really good bags in that shit. Love him. Yeah. The gentleman. Shut up. I love everyone in the gentleman, honestly. He said, shut up, shut the fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, shut the fuck off. Yeah, that's a classic. Okay. Well, I won that. Yeah, you did. Congrats. Bring any gifts. Congrats. Congrats. What did you say? I said, did you bring any gifts? But that's all right. I'll have it. Bring any gifts. It's not crazy because I did say I would bring gifts. God damn. Not this time. Oh, I did bring you a gift. I bought dinner, so that was a pretty gift. That is not a gift. That was a pretty gift.
SPEAKER_07Let's get to I've been waiting. Hey, hey, hey.
SPEAKER_06Even my computer is high. God damn.
SPEAKER_05Oh, let's see. What do I have for the delusion Olympics? Atte. You're not stuck. You're comfortable.
SPEAKER_06Stuck in comfortability. Wicked. Yeah, that's very wicked and sad. Get out of that immediately.
SPEAKER_07Delusion.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm. Move around. It'll be good. Change your room around.
SPEAKER_07Something.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Your house around, something. If you feel like you're stuck or if you feel like you're comfortable, do something else. Evaluate a different that's making you feel like that. Yeah. Attack it. Get out of it.
SPEAKER_10You gotta will yourself to fix that.
SPEAKER_06And burn some sage. Open the windows though. And the doors. Anyway. Wash your ass.
SPEAKER_05Use some floater water after.
SPEAKER_06Something. Anyway, moving on. You say you're healing, but keep returning to what hurts you. Delusional ho. I've been there. Same.
SPEAKER_04I don't think I've ever done that.
SPEAKER_06Good for you. You had like one relationship in my life.
SPEAKER_04Well, let me shut up. I'm like shit, kinda me too. I've had a couple.
SPEAKER_10I don't think I've done that though. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06That's good.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay. That's good for you.
SPEAKER_10But that's delusional because you're Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Why are we doing this?
SPEAKER_10You're choosing to not heal.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I gotta have more, baby. Obsessed.
SPEAKER_06Obsessed for sure. Yeah. That's hilarious. Very delusional though. Very toxic. Um all right. Oh you're not too real.
SPEAKER_05You're just unfiltered and sometimes careless.
SPEAKER_06That is not about me. And that is delusional for you looking at me after she said it.
SPEAKER_07Are you looking at me? Are you talking about me?
SPEAKER_06Oh god. Hilarious guys. Are these delusions or lifestyle choices? I guess it's a lifestyle choice for me. I'm not totally careless. Some of it's delusions though. I'm like, I gotta go to HR right now. For work. Yeah. Fuck.
SPEAKER_10Some of it you're just not in your right mind.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Making poor choices.
SPEAKER_05I've been there.
SPEAKER_10Same. So I'm learning to like take accountability for that though.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. For sure.
SPEAKER_06And moving forward, moving better.
SPEAKER_10Big time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But I'm just a girl. I'm doing my best. Same.
SPEAKER_06I'm not just a girl.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I know. But you're a good one.
SPEAKER_06You're just a guy.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06You're a big deal.
SPEAKER_05You are a big deal.
SPEAKER_10Guys, I was in market 32. Yes. And this wonderful lady named Mercedes stops me.
SPEAKER_06Hey Mercedes. Hey guys.
SPEAKER_10She said wholesome menace. And I was floored.
SPEAKER_06Exactly.
SPEAKER_10What do you mean? What the fuck?
SPEAKER_07We're famous.
SPEAKER_10And that's amazing. It's just a testament to what we got going on, ladies. You guys, we just gotta keep plugging.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And people are watching our stuff. Shout out to Mercedes. Yes.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to Market32. Big time. Because y'all carry some good orange juice in the produce section. And I like their sushi.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, their sushi is pretty good. I do the vegetable, but it is good.
SPEAKER_10I will also say I just I'm glad they chose to switch over from Price Chopper to Market32. That looks way better.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, aesthetically pleasing for sure. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And I was saying the name.
SPEAKER_05For thirty years of my life.
SPEAKER_04That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_05I was always adding an S at the Chopper.
SPEAKER_06Price Choppers. Price Choppers. Why am I doing that? The sick shit is I still call Market 32 Price Chopper. So there we go. I'm not a price shopper, but y'all know what I'm talking about, though. Yo. That's true.
SPEAKER_05Well, that's all I have for the Nugent Olympics today.
SPEAKER_10So good.
SPEAKER_05I hope you liked it. It was good. That's what Christmas said. Yeah, not the end.
SPEAKER_10Ladies, I have a question for our main topic today. I like questions.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_10Why do people want leadership but resist being led?
SPEAKER_06If I knew better, I'd do better.
SPEAKER_10If you knew better, you would do better.
SPEAKER_06I mean speaking in the past. Now I know better and I can do better.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. I need to know because I think in a female dynamic, a lot of times a lot of men get told, you're not leading me properly. Which is great. I've never told anybody that, but you know, or you don't know how to lead, or he didn't know how to lead post-relationship being. Yeah. Um, why does why do women want leadership but they don't want to be led?
SPEAKER_05I want to be led.
SPEAKER_10Um, but there's always some resistance in the leading part.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I mean, for me, if I'm gonna be honest, I'm blaming my dad. Blaming my dad.
SPEAKER_10He might have a part to play in that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Not leading my mother properly, not leading us as a family, not showing us what it looks like for a man to have that role in a household. So the everything has to be learned the hard way for the most part, you know, because I mean, my relationship with my twin's father wasn't the best. Like he was not a leader for us at all. Um, unfortunately. I mean, now he's grown and he's doing great. Like, I'm not sure, you know, how he's functioning in his relationship. Um, that's none of my business, but I know he got his shit together, and I love that for him, I love that for me, and I love that for our kids. Um, but my last relationship, he was for sure a leader, is a leader, and for me, there was a lot of resistance because I felt like he was trying to control me, and I'm not looking at it like he's really like he does everything for us. You know what I mean? Like he's paying all our bills, he's taking care of me, taking care of the kids, making sure I get to my doctor's appointments, make sure he's there for my surgeries, like he's doing everything, he's doing the grocery shopping, he's doing just anything you could think of. Like this man is really that, and I wasn't receiving it well. And don't get me wrong, like he's not perfect, um, neither am I, and so we had our issues and shit, but um hindsight, he is for sure a leader, and I was not in a place of knowing and wasn't able to really um maintain that, yeah, yeah, because I was very resistant at times. I think people want direction, they don't want correction, and I feel like one doesn't come without the other, yeah, for sure. You have to correct your shit in order to direct it into another because how do you move forward if you're not right, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Direction might look sorry, that correction might look like control. Yeah, it might sound like control, but if you trust the person to lead, yeah, then it's not them controlling you, yeah. Leading. Right, you know. Um, I feel like everybody wants them to be the leader until it's the friction between what I want to do and then what you're doing.
SPEAKER_06Right. And what's best for this household, yeah, right, yeah. I I feel like okay, for somebody like getting into some idea into something like that, like fresh, and then you having to take on those um, like if the person's trying to lead and you have to be accepting or uh receiving of that, it's like when so for me, for example, I'm so used to doing all my own things by myself. So I've been doing a lot of soul searching about this. Like, am I really ready for that? Yeah, and am I really ready for someone to come in and like take control of what I not control, but you get what I'm saying? Yeah, of what I got going on, like helping. I'm definitely with somebody guiding it. I don't know that I would receive it well right now. I want to.
SPEAKER_03That's real.
SPEAKER_06I do, but I honestly don't know how I would receive it, and I'm trying to, you know, deal with that before I do actually meet someone that I can think about those things with. Yeah. Because I want to allow someone to do that for me, us, family, everything. It's important.
SPEAKER_10I feel like being led requires some humility, but how uh how quickly do you humble yourself to someone else's program for lack of a better word?
SPEAKER_05Right. I mean, that obviously is gonna come with time, it's gonna come with building that trust and consistency, knowing that this is somebody you can count on to get shit done correctly.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, you know, I love to say things are situational, but it really is.
SPEAKER_10That's true. If they drop the ball, if they drop the ball consistently enough, it makes you feel like they can't lead or hold their word to it, which shit's real. Even I think the last episode we were having a conversation is how long should I wait? The guy said, How long should I Yeah. But if you've proven that you can't hold it down, yeah, you really can't expect the woman to choose to trust you, right?
SPEAKER_05Right. Um or continue dealing with you, right? If it gets that, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Especially if you guys are not in marriage. Because even then, eight out of ten times niggas is about the door.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10So it's intense, I think that men leading, that's a responsibility that shouldn't be taken lightly. No, no, no, no, not at all. But if we want women, they want that. But that shit is not something you should be entering and choosing to enter lightly. Especially if we're we're older now, so I mean we got kids, we got bills. You cannot come incorrectly at this point. For real. If you come at all.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Just some thoughts I had. We want women. Great. We don't think it requires much to have you guys because we just love you. You don't mind you want us to, but you want us to be leaders and providers, and those things are costly on our end. Now, you're you just said somebody who could do it, did do it, and showed up. That's costly, even though he did it with a loving heart, right? Still requires love. So it's interesting that you said that you still found difficulty accepting that, even though he was that yeah.
SPEAKER_06I mean, so for me, like our situation was a little different because I was so used to working. I've been working since I was 15 years old. So then I went into heart failure in 2020 and um hadn't been working. And then I like after my uh third open heart surgery, I went back to work and stuff like that. It just had been difficult because I kept going back into heart failure and having to have another procedure and another. So I at some point I felt very much like a burden, and it caused some resentment from me. It wasn't even him, like he wasn't complaining or anything, but like for me in my mind, it just caused that insecurity because I'm like, damn, like I can't even help this guy do anything, you know what I'm saying? I can't even maintain working full time anymore because now I gotta keep going back. And my doctor's appointments are usually three hours away, so it's like now he's gotta constantly be bringing me down there and stuff like that. It was just a lot, and um, and it was more so like me going through like depression and not feeling adequate, and that was hard, and I took you know, you take shit out on the people that are closest to you, and that's exactly what I did.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. So I have a question.
SPEAKER_06And he didn't deserve that.
SPEAKER_10That's really dope. Do you feel like he could have accepted that?
SPEAKER_06What do you mean?
SPEAKER_10What you s you saying that you felt that way, you feel like you could have accepted that.
SPEAKER_06Like he he could have accepted it? Like if you would have told him, like, explain that to him. Oh, um I mean, sure. We had conversations about it um afterwards though, you know. And I had to kind of like take a step back myself and and really realize what was going on internally for me. Um, but at that point we pretty much had just kind of went our separate ways. So yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I think leadership only works if somebody chooses to follow.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10In her case per se, things just deteriorated, but in any case, somebody has to be the follower. Yeah, right. But now that I know you would do better now, yeah, yeah. And you don't mind following.
SPEAKER_06No, didn't break off.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh, sorry. I just seen the red light. I just I'm like, okay, get out of my mic. All right, my bad, brother. It's been so long since we recorded. Is everything alright? Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And I I get why you guys want leaders because it we create that structure. Do you have that security? Do you have that order, the protection, progress? Yeah, right? That's what leaders are saying.
SPEAKER_06I want the balance.
SPEAKER_10What do you mean?
SPEAKER_06So it's like, you know, the men lead in the ways that they do. I wanna do the womenly things, the womanly things, excuse me, behind that. Or like, so that's a balance. Like they're leading in the ways that they lead, and then we're doing what we're supposed to do. Of course. I mean that's all that I just want the balance of all that. I want you to do the leading things that you need to do so I can do the womanly things to make it make sure shit is like I'm running this household and you're making sure that these kids are falling in line. Yeah. When I say do this, you're and if you see they're not, you're like, yo, what'd your mother say to you?
SPEAKER_10I like that. I like that. Right. Yeah. A script.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10For TikTok. We're gonna do it. Um, but yeah, that's all I have for our main topic today.
SPEAKER_06That was good. I liked it. Yeah, it was alright. So I'm gonna say we ever it was so good. It was great. I'd just be baring it all on here. Yeah. I just told these niggas I got a baby by my baby father that's right. Well, they're both my baby father die, so it'll be fine.
SPEAKER_07I'm like, they're gonna chew me up.
SPEAKER_06Couldn't care less. We said this is cold, hard truths, accountability.
SPEAKER_10And I think hopefully, as we keep it real here, people are encouraged to keep it real in their own minds.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. It's okay.
SPEAKER_10Sooner rather than later. The discourse is not angry, or we're not like no, yeah, no, we're just keeping it real.
SPEAKER_06I actually feel better for keeping it real. Come on now, yeah. Lying doesn't feel good. Trying to be someone you're not doesn't feel like that. Doesn't the pride and ego get in the way is not we what we just had a comment. Somebody said a sub five saying what they do or don't want. Because in the la in our last episode, you know, we were talking about the things we wanted, and I don't care. We're all ugly to someone, yeah. But guess what? I'm getting my ugly ass up on this camera every goddamn five minutes. That's hilarious. You're not five, not too much on my sister with my five ass. Five plus five plus five, fifteen. Fives, guys. That's hilarious. Does your dad know you're watching the show, buddy?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, just he looked like a little young nigga. Does your mom know you're here?
SPEAKER_06This is for adults. This is the adult chat. That's funny. And who's muting their mic? Me. All right. So thanks for the honest feedback, buddy. I love it. Yeah. Speaking of, where's your bowl? Well, then fuck that bowl.
SPEAKER_04Like now.
SPEAKER_06I actually wanted to do something a little different with hot seat today. Okay. Like a men versus women kind of thing.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_10Okay. So me versus YouTube?
SPEAKER_06Huh?
SPEAKER_10Or me versus Risa.
SPEAKER_06I'm asking the questions. It's gonna be YouTube.
SPEAKER_05She will pull herself out. Okay.
SPEAKER_06I'm ready. Ah. Okay. My bad. Tourette's. Um, I have to put my password in, guys, because make looking at my stuff when I'm not around. Nobody's looking at her stuff. Actually, yeah. I got my own stuff to look at. Especially you. You're very suspicious. I've never seen Love Jones, but it's at the movie Love Jones. You're a bride. Pissing me off.
SPEAKER_07Yo.
SPEAKER_06Pissing me off. All right. Men. What's the biggest lie women tell themselves about dating?
SPEAKER_02What's the biggest lie women tell themselves?
SPEAKER_06As a man, how would you answer that question? As a man.
SPEAKER_10That they don't look at me, nigga. To be dated.
SPEAKER_06That they deserve to be dating? Yeah. To be dated. Dated. That sounds a little delusional. If you ask me.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I'm not saying that at you guys, but like in the same way that um women will be like, why is this guy in my inbox? His shit's not even together. XYZ. All I'm saying is that not every not every person who's on who's out there dating, but the same thing applies.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, to women who don't got their shit together. Correct. For sure. And it'd be a lot of you hoes talking about why this nigga and my name. Let him know that he shouldn't be because you can't get your shit together either. Yeah. While you're judging. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I would say, yeah, they're not really why you shouldn't be dating right now.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that shouldn't be your main priority.
SPEAKER_10Right. I agree.
SPEAKER_06Like it's not mine because my shit ain't together. My shit ain't together either, but I want to date.
SPEAKER_10I don't even want to date.
SPEAKER_06I just want to.
SPEAKER_10I'm liable to have a little bit of fun.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, maybe that. Maybe that's what I need to have. Fuck, I ain't even having fun. I'm not having fun. Me either. I'm just working. I'm not even doing that. This is work.
SPEAKER_07Fucking congrats.
SPEAKER_06Hey. I wish. But um funny. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, I'm not interested in dating because, like I said, my shit's not together. I'm not interested in dating because I keep going back into heart failure. I'm not interested in dating because these niggas ain't got nothing to offer me. Um let them know. And I'm good. I don't want my time wasted. I don't want to waste anyone's time. So I deleted my dating profile. Good for you. Congratulations. Yeah. Fuck it. Shit was just redundant. But anyway, yeah. I'm still free. She's single and still ready to mingle. I am. So fuck. Yeah, right. No. Okay. So what do you think is the biggest lie men tell themselves about dating?
SPEAKER_05Lord, let me get in that little man's mind.
SPEAKER_06I'm just kidding. So you got a little brain. Just kidding. That little man's mind. What a lie that they tell. I guess that if they take you on a date that they should be able to. Smash? Sure. Crack. Yeah. I don't like how that sounds.
unknownUm.
SPEAKER_06I think. What's another one? I'm kind of like the thinking they I don't want to say deserve to date. That's really aggressive.
SPEAKER_10Why can't you say it? Just say it, bro. Why the f why are we dodging that? Right. I'm not, because I feel like bro. You're not that worried about it. They're not here right now, bro.
SPEAKER_06It's okay, bro. No. Um yeah, that. Or they feel like because niggas be thinking they deserve none of the prize now, aren't they? Aren't they?
SPEAKER_08They want a coochie played with. I just want a um coochie mama. I just want to gotta try it.
SPEAKER_07I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_10There are some of us that are out here trying our best. No, yeah. Obviously, we know you don't want your coochie played with.
SPEAKER_07But let me tell you, I know a nigga who does.
SPEAKER_06His Like the Ducci.
SPEAKER_09You're hilarious.
SPEAKER_10Can you define what that means? Huh? Ducci? Why do you say that? Um, why would a man want their coochie played with?
SPEAKER_06Well, I'll break it down for you right now. Cause they're acting like a hoe ass bitch. One time a nigga said to me, I just like told him I felt like he wasn't super interested, or like he's like not affectionate or something. And he was like, Oh, you gotta bring that out of me. He didn't say like that. But that's how I heard it. Well, that's how you took it. What I heard was come play with this cat. Turn me home, bitch.
SPEAKER_10Nigga, you just that's what I heard. I don't know what y'all heard, but that's what I heard. All right, so that is obviously a man who's uninterested. Because if a man is interested, you can't get him off of you.
SPEAKER_06Right. Right.
SPEAKER_10So why are we playing games? Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Just go play where you want to be at.
SPEAKER_10I can understand that. Because now you're acting like a female. But that's what you're trying to say.
SPEAKER_05Yo.
SPEAKER_06Fucking tired of these whores. Yeah. Yeah. But that's one form of it. Nigga, I can go on for this, but I won't. But that fucked me up. Like, because he, the one, I'm yo, nigga, he still be hitting me. The one that kept fucking matching me and shit. The last time he matched me, he said, now, now you looking for a white man. You always kill me.
SPEAKER_07I'm looking for anybody but you, nigga.
SPEAKER_06Yo, that's hilarious.
SPEAKER_07But yeah.
SPEAKER_06That was the one that wanted this cooch play, but was never worked.
unknownHey.
SPEAKER_06I don't like that. Yeah. Don't just be a congrats. Congrats.
SPEAKER_07Shake my hand, actually.
SPEAKER_06Love it. You keep it up.
SPEAKER_07I will. Keep that shit up.
SPEAKER_06Alright. Yo, here's where I want both of you to answer.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_06Who plays the victim more? Or better? Men or women? Women.
SPEAKER_07Listen to Miss Girly Girl over here blaming the women on the black. Okay.
SPEAKER_06Listen. I like it. Break it down. These bitches be out here fronting and lying and crying and acting like they be so hurt. Mm-hmm. And then once you out the nigga face, you cackling and laughing and making jokes with your friends on the phone on FaceTime.
SPEAKER_07Have I ever done that? I'm pretty sure I did.
SPEAKER_06Damn. Wicked.
SPEAKER_10I'm gonna say men.
SPEAKER_04Break it down.
SPEAKER_10I think that we're manipulative responsibility.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_10We're made for that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So you it's a lot of irresponsible niggas out here.
SPEAKER_10If we call it a spade a spade, however you slice it now. Are there ups and downs? Yes. For sure. But if you don't have it in you to go get it done, you want to stay down. You're choosing that because you're designed to go get it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Victim.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, or when they do something wrong a lot of times, they're blaming the woman or anything else for whatever their actions are.
SPEAKER_10I think in once men start taking the blame accountability.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And they fix it, society ends up turning itself around. Just be like a man-bashing situation. But I think that when men take responsibility, there are less cases where somebody women are victimized. Children are victimized.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Or even if you do something wrong and you're known for taking, not saying keep doing shit wrong and then keep taking accountability, but if you're known to be like a person of integrity and that isn't the norm for you, and if you can be honest and take the accountability, people would be more accepting towards being forgiving.
SPEAKER_03For sure.
SPEAKER_06I just I honestly believe that. And you feel better.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_06Sometimes those hard pills are the best ones we can swallow.
SPEAKER_03For sure.
SPEAKER_06Learning. So I guess that was it. Those were hot seats. Some pretty good questions, though. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Why do I feel like this ain't that hot? But I can't put my problems on a woman. Yeah. Even as a married, now divorced man, I can't put my problems as a man on someone else.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10We got evicted, that's the husband's fault. For whatever the reper No 50-50, whatever the situation was. Yeah. I'm not gonna put that on. I'm gonna take responsibility.
SPEAKER_06Don't be coming to me with no 50-50 shit. I'm just putting it out there. I'm not interested in that.
SPEAKER_10And I I agree with you. Have I had to do that? Yes.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. I mean, these are tough times we're living in. Yeah. But ideally, I wouldn't like that. You gotta be tougher than these times, buddy.
SPEAKER_10Yo, that's hilarious. Tougher than a child. Yeah. Learning how to get it and get it for real.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_10Keep it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10So like you said, we are I know better and I get to do better.
SPEAKER_05I love that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06At least you do. Right.
SPEAKER_10Accountability.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure. I know someone who doesn't. I'm really sorry. Wow. That was interesting, Chris Marie. I liked it. Did you like it? I did like it. It wasn't a little bit yeah. Deep. Yeah. I was just thinking, like, I wanted to do something like hear your guys' hot opinions on the opposite sex. What do you think about that? What do you think about that? Yeah. Glad you enjoyed. I enjoyed too hearing your guys' viewpoints on that. Cool.
SPEAKER_07Now should we do Would You Rather?
SPEAKER_06That's that fun. Do you is it okay?
SPEAKER_10At your leisure.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_06Thank you. I appreciate that. You're a gentleman and a scholar. For sure. We appreciate you. Yep.
SPEAKER_10You did it one time.
SPEAKER_06We appreciate ya. I'm never gonna forget. Clearly. She doesn't forget thing.
SPEAKER_05Alright. Would you rather be resting or escaping responsibility?
SPEAKER_06Did I ask this question already? Who cares? I'd rather be doing both.
SPEAKER_10Resting or escaping?
SPEAKER_05Responsibility.
SPEAKER_10I'm gonna say rest. This sounds intentional.
SPEAKER_05Yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_10Responsibility is cool. Because I'm yeah, I'm cool.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, me too. It ain't going nowhere. You're just gonna keep piling it on.
SPEAKER_06Handle that for sure.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Yeah, that was good. I know I asked this. I'm gonna ask you again.
SPEAKER_06Would you rather admit you're afraid of intimacy or keep blaming the wrong people?
SPEAKER_10I'm admitting it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I mean, I said I'm not afraid of that, but if I was, I'd rather admit it. Yeah. Yeah, I could admit it. Blaming the wrong. It depends on the person, because then I might blame you. If you're a dick. Fuck it, it is your fault. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_05She's funny as hell.
SPEAKER_06Just saying.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Alright, here I am admitting it. Me too.
SPEAKER_10Like, I don't want you to see all of it.
unknownI don't.
SPEAKER_05Right. And I'm a Scorpio.
SPEAKER_10If you see all of it and don't love all of me, I'm gonna be tight. So no.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And people usually run away when they see all of it.
SPEAKER_05Why? That's why everyone's running from me. What is it they're running from? Do you think?
SPEAKER_10I don't know.
SPEAKER_06Are you obsessive?
SPEAKER_10I don't think so.
SPEAKER_06Are you overbearing?
SPEAKER_10I try not to be.
SPEAKER_06Who's running? Cause I just see the bitches flocking.
SPEAKER_07Damn! Did I say too much? Am I saying too much? Oh well.
SPEAKER_10No, it's not even that. I just that's what that's why I'm afraid of it. That's what I'm afraid of.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I don't maybe that we were talking about that because you expect everybody to leave.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10That's not you.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_10Self-sabotage problem. Maybe that's what it is.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Oh, I was saying, we were talking about that the other day.
SPEAKER_10We were just talking about that shit, bro.
SPEAKER_06Like yesterday, I feel like.
SPEAKER_07And my self-sabotage.
SPEAKER_10Genuinely, and maybe I need to take some time to go through that, but I that'll be my I've been in the most intimate relationship possible. Yeah. No that it was authentic. It wasn't a food gazing experience.
SPEAKER_05Right. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Not really trying to go there again with another person.
SPEAKER_06You think so? You I think so. You will maybe want to one day.
SPEAKER_10I think I love that experience.
SPEAKER_06I think not with someone like that last person, obviously. You don't want to go back to that. And I wouldn't give that's scary. That bitch, the satisfaction of not opening up to somebody else. Do it.
SPEAKER_10Alright. You're gonna do it. That's great.
SPEAKER_06Mm-hmm. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_06I anything to see you happy.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, and I'm not like this is not like total damage. He's no this is just there's a lot of hesitation. Yeah, understandably. Right. I will be sh sure.
SPEAKER_07Just sing it, nigga.
SPEAKER_08That thing entertain us.
SPEAKER_07I'm not gonna sing that. Sorry. We cut that out, we cut that out.
SPEAKER_04Cut the tape. I'm not cutting nothing.
SPEAKER_10I'm so serious. They but yeah, that's just me.
SPEAKER_06I learned I need to be it's important to have that friendship for real. Like people just dive into shit. Then that's why you're getting to know the person.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. I'm developing really good friendships right now. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Something I didn't do before. And that's the proactive approach. Alright, so we're gonna get that shit right for real.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Before I even think about jumping into the deepest type of relationship there is. Right. So okay. It's not all fear, it's a little bit of action in there, too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Nice. Yeah. It's lovely. Last one. Would you rather be desired by many or valued by one?
SPEAKER_06That's easy. I guess it depends on who you are. Some people just I want to be wanted by many. Some people just want to enjoy romance and not commitment and that intimacy a lot of being with one person. I was actually thinking about that today. Were you? Like earlier. What were you thinking about? So I was thinking about how like sometimes I don't put myself in situations, or maybe I do, where there's not any real commitment. It doesn't have to be any real commitment. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. And it's like, would I rather just do that?
SPEAKER_04Situationships.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, sure. Like I think in my heart of hearts, I don't want that. But the way shit is, it's like easy. I don't want to keep getting my hopes up or like you know I'm super, I love love. Like I believe that that shit is there for me somewhere. And I won't ever not think that. But I feel like right now, the space that I'm in, maybe I don't really want that whole commitment of just one person. Right. But then I don't love talking to multiple people at one time, so I it's confusing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I don't know. I think it's interesting. I know that this might be a little sleaze baggy to say, but there are so many beautiful women on the planet.
SPEAKER_06That's not sleaze baggy, that's the truth. Right. Right. You bitches look good.
SPEAKER_10They look great. And they all have their own distinct personalities. For me to say that I would never want to meet one person and spend the rest of my life. That's beautiful. I could do that, and that's super deep. I could do that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10There's also a plethora of other experiences out there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_10Maybe not prosthetic, but we live in a world where that's possible now.
SPEAKER_06I think that's personal.
SPEAKER_10You can go out and meet somebody. You can go out and enjoy. Does that make you a hoe now?
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_05It makes you dating. It doesn't mean have sex with everyone.
SPEAKER_10There's a lot of sex going on.
SPEAKER_05That's what you want to do? That's that's gross. No, that's not what I would say.
SPEAKER_07That's what he's saying.
SPEAKER_06That's what he's saying. That's what he wants. That's what he's interested in.
SPEAKER_07A lot of sex, a lot of sex, a lot of sex.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I love it. Gotta have it. Let's do it. A lot of thrusting going on. A lot of ass throwing.
SPEAKER_10There's a lot of sex happening.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_10For sure.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Not for me. Why is he looking like that so sad?
SPEAKER_05Fuck it.
SPEAKER_10Live in that world.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06You want to be a part of it.
SPEAKER_07And I think it's like, I am a part of it.
SPEAKER_06Sending me where the people are.
SPEAKER_07The very best.
SPEAKER_06No. I want to see. It's totally different. Singing the Little Mermaid. Dancing. Yeah. Wanna see them fucking Sicko. Yeah. Erv. That's me. Good heavens.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07The long buzzer.
SPEAKER_04Sorry, Mom.
SPEAKER_10She said she's done things too. Yeah. That's what she said.
SPEAKER_07Don't talk about my mom. Fuck.
SPEAKER_06Don't do that.
SPEAKER_07She hasn't done shit.
SPEAKER_06Right. No. That's not true.
SPEAKER_07God damn it.
SPEAKER_06That's not true.
SPEAKER_07Okay. Told you my mommy is a illusion Olympics.
SPEAKER_06Not D dub.
SPEAKER_04Maybe y'all mothers. Your mom. Your man. Your man. Tell me I'm a fucking man. Fucking bitch. Fucking bitch.
SPEAKER_07Shut up.
SPEAKER_06That's it for would you rather would you rather talk about something else? Like something suspects. Oh, it is debate club, huh? Good heavens.
SPEAKER_10Is jealousy natural?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Or is it for stock of it?
SPEAKER_06Yes. That shit is genetic, baby.
SPEAKER_10In designer closed.
SPEAKER_06What? I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_10Is jealousy natural?
SPEAKER_06In designer closed?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, or is it just cosplay for insecurity?
SPEAKER_06I think. Jealousy.
SPEAKER_10Is it?
SPEAKER_06Oh no, because I ain't no jealousy. Well, you actually jealous.
SPEAKER_10Are you jealous because he puts dick in another girl? You don't like that.
SPEAKER_06Jealous? That's a turnoff. All over the place with this, right? Yeah, that's like that's very much so a turn-off, not jealousy. If you want to be fucking somebody else somewhere else, then so where would your jealousy come from? I'm not jealous. I don't feel I'm not a jealous girl. I hate to say jealous, I'd hate to say it, but I'm sure that's what I'm feeling a little.
SPEAKER_10Right. I know you're I know you're feeling it.
SPEAKER_06And once I feel that, I'm the fuck out of there because I'm not jealous of anyone. I love myself. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10That's an you would say that that's a natural feeling.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, if I like you and we're fucking around, and then I realize you're fucking someone else, it's like, whoa, okay.
SPEAKER_06See, I'm not jealous, I don't like you anymore. Yeah, I mean, unless this is something we know is is going on.
SPEAKER_05Like, say I'm in a situation ship and we're not serious, and we're not exclusive to each other, I guess, if you want to say, but I'm not gonna be jealous.
SPEAKER_10If you're fucking with somebody else, like so the script that's is women against men. So I find out that my girl is cheating, she's sleeping with another guy. Jealous. Is that not jealousy? Is that or is that well break down?
SPEAKER_06You didn't say what you were feeling, you just said what happened.
SPEAKER_10I find out that he's she's sleeping with somebody, another guy. What are you feeling? That feeling that I get inside anger? Is it insecurity?
SPEAKER_06I know what you're jealousy. Yeah, I feel like it's disrespect. Well, you're saying off your angry feelings when you think about that. Let's because I feel like I know what you're trying to say. Yes, you think about the person that you're dealing with fucking on somebody else. Yeah, you get the So you're like, I'm not good enough. That sick feeling. Like that sick feeling. Yeah. Is that jealousy? I don't think that's maybe hurt, hurt, disgust. But then when you're thinking about this nigga's fucking this other bitch, like what? You're jealous as fuck. I don't think I'm jealous. I can't say I'm jealous. I I'm not gonna lie. This is I love this. Hello, sir. I will I love this. This is let's unpack this. So you're jealous guy. You feel jealousy?
SPEAKER_10I hate to say that. I don't think I'm a jealous person. That's why cheating is not a deal breaker for me.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10It did say I can bounce back from that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Because I'm not, because when I think about it, am I upset that he put dick in her? Really? Can I get past that screen?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yes. Okay. In that moment, am I thinking about that? Am I jealous? Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I am. Because why are you touching her like that?
SPEAKER_07How you touch me? Are you touching her? How you touch me? You are you that man? You sucked his dick? Yeah. But is that a jealous feeling? I'm asking.
SPEAKER_06I'm thinking I'm asking you. We're asking each other. Jealousy is a jealousy. I think it's situational.
SPEAKER_07I will not say I am jealous ever, ever that's to How about news?
SPEAKER_10Admit it.
SPEAKER_06Have I been jealous? Absolutely. I'm gonna define it. So we're for a titch.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Jealousy is a complex, often destructive emotional response to a perceived threat to a valued relationship or status, typically involving insecurity, fear of loss, and anger. Rooted in low self-esteem or fear of abandonment, it often stems from a scarcity mindset or unhealthy comparison. It is normal, sometimes protective. It is a normal and sometimes protective emotion that can also be the catalyst for understanding one someone's or one's own desire.
SPEAKER_06I'm not jealous. No, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_10I'm not sorry, but you said so the response is for someone betraying you is I no longer like you. Yeah. That's what happens.
SPEAKER_05I'm good on you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10In that moment when you are made aware of the situation that is the betrayal, you feel nothing.
SPEAKER_06No, not jealousy. I feel a whole bunch of things, but never like, oh, I wish I was her, or why, you know what I'm saying? Like why is that her has to wish you were the other person? It doesn't have to be that. Oh, I'm I'm losing him because he's you ain't supposed to be here. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been cheated on so many times. So for me, it just is like, and I've never been jealous of a bitch that yeah, a nigga cheated on. I don't think I've been jealous of the actual female because ew. But I think I've been jealous of what he gave to the girlfriend gave to her. Fuck!
SPEAKER_10That's and yeah, that's so real, nigga.
SPEAKER_06Like, why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_10Why didn't you give that to me?
SPEAKER_06Or damn, envious, even like um you've never felt that. No. Not that I can I can say, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, no, no, you go. I can say another time I felt it when fucking Zoe's dad would be with his other kids, and I was Zoe.
SPEAKER_07That was anger, resentment, all of it. But I also was just like, what is it about, you know, for a long time when I just wasn't in a very good.
SPEAKER_06And I want some around her.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's and then I came to understand that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And yeah. Fuck. Yeah, I felt it, but never jealous of a bitch, like of it's just of the situation, I wanna say.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Maybe you can't put jealous of jealousy on the third person, the third, the the third party. It's toward the person that you're yeah relating to.
SPEAKER_06Like maybe jealous that I you're not giving me something that you did before that you're giving that person. Not no, you're not gonna sound like I'm not jealous. Um probably like a little annoyed. I feel like maybe jealous isn't the right word, but I get what you're trying to say. It's not right for me, it's not fitting for me.
SPEAKER_10It doesn't fit which typically happens in your relationships. No, I see that.
SPEAKER_06I know I felt that. Even if I shook it right off. Yeah. Because I'm not a jealous bitch in the least.
SPEAKER_10I try to think of myself as not someone who's super jealous. Again, that's maybe that's me protecting my own self because to be able to. No, not anymore. I probably I used to be. Yeah, I used to be. Yeah. I just think that um now I think I'm hot shit.
SPEAKER_06You are for sure. I know, I'm sorry, I know. Solid five. Yeah, total five. Solid is crazy. Five. Five stars. Solid.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I just I'm not in the space of comparing myself to another person. Yeah. I'm in my own lane. Yeah, right. And I know what I have to provide, right? What I have to offer as a man, right?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10So that's why I'm not experiencing jealousy in that capacity. So even if somebody did cheat on me, like cool.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Fuck you. I might not. It doesn't make a person better than you because somebody cheated on you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Should you leave the bitch alone? Probably. Especially if you want to be in a monogamous relationship.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10But I think everybody's for everybody, so no.
SPEAKER_06I'm starting to feel like that too.
SPEAKER_10It's okay. I have my own thesis on the matter.
SPEAKER_06Oh, please share. Please.
SPEAKER_10It's a very long process. Okay. I have students for it.
SPEAKER_06This is for it. Yeah. Oh. And we'll do a like a little special.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Just on the thesis of everybody is for everybody.
SPEAKER_10I love it. It might be a part of our debate club questions because yeah, we'll see. Okay.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_10That's all I have for debate club, ladies and games.
SPEAKER_05That was very good, Stefan.
SPEAKER_10Most people are experiencing a degree of what I just talked about just now. Yeah. Somebody's going through that type of situation. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_05And I feel bad for you.
SPEAKER_10Let it go.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10You're self-sufficient in yourself. You don't need to compare yourself to the person.
SPEAKER_06Definitely not. Don't compare yourself to anyone. Nobody is you.
SPEAKER_10You can't compete where you can't compare.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10You're one-on-one.
SPEAKER_05Exactly.
SPEAKER_10Actually. Your twins are one-on-one.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Right. Come on.
SPEAKER_10So you got this guy.
SPEAKER_06Love you, so. Yes. That's where it starts.
SPEAKER_10And we love you.
SPEAKER_05We do love you. Sending you love and light.
SPEAKER_10Every human sugar foot. You're worth it. Don't let anybody tell you any different.
SPEAKER_06Fuck them. Alright. Speaking of blue, I like that.
SPEAKER_01I never respected niggas in the streets. That's why I always got the problems I got. People tell me, maze chill. No, chill for what? Who is this nigga?
SPEAKER_06That's what I said to my boss. I didn't say it to my boss. Oh goodness. Should have.
SPEAKER_07Alright, talk your shit. I need something.
SPEAKER_06Give me something good. Give me something good to talk shit about. Hmm. Whoever would like to go first.
SPEAKER_10This winter has. I think I've killed six mice since probably October.
SPEAKER_06Mmm. You started in the fall. Killed them. And alive.
SPEAKER_10Killed them dead. What are you doing in my house?
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Of all of God's creatures. Despise them. Yeah. They're disgusting.
SPEAKER_06I guess there could be worse things in the house.
SPEAKER_10Right. They're not here now.
SPEAKER_05Could.
SPEAKER_10They're all afraid now. Good.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you should be. Them niggas ain't afraid. They just taking a break. Hang them from the ceiling. Let them in the Christmas hall. You see your little friends up there, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_09That's sick. But what the hell are you going to do? You might get results.
SPEAKER_06You might get fucking results, brother. That is hilarious. I hate mice, bro. Yeah, they're disgusting little fucks.
SPEAKER_10And I got my little, you know, animal here too. But actually, she killed one too. Actually, that was great.
SPEAKER_05Oh wow. Good for you, Nyla. You're a strong woman. Nyla, yay!
SPEAKER_06Versus like mama, can can we get a rat?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh fuck. Like, boy, he oh, he asked for the most insane rat. Like people. Insane animals. Crazy. Like, can't you just ask me for a cat?
SPEAKER_10A rat.
SPEAKER_06A rat. A rat, yeah. Or a capabera. Tough. Like, bro, are those even those are not a domesticated animals? Like, you heavens know.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Sorry. Oh, it's my turn.
SPEAKER_04Go for it.
SPEAKER_06You want you ready? No, please go ahead. I'm just I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_04I'm listening, but I'm also looking.
SPEAKER_06Alright. This is like more relationshipy, but I feel like I'm more interested in consistency than chemistry.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Obviously, I want to have some chemistry. Right. The consistency is important because it's gonna build exactly on that.
SPEAKER_10What are you looking for consistently?
SPEAKER_06I'm looking for shit.
SPEAKER_08What the hell?
SPEAKER_10But I'm just saying, like she's not telling y'all Jack, bro.
SPEAKER_06No, nothing. Don't worry about what I'm wanting to do. Nothing. I'll never tell my secrets. Yeah, you can't. I'm trying to help y'all out. Read my mind, nigga. No, like if I was interested. Somebody come and sweep her off a feet. And dating. Sweet. I am pretty funny. But um, yeah, like consistency as far as like speaking daily, but not on some what you're doing. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't worry about what I'm doing. Why don't you come see what I'm doing? I like that. You know, and I hate just people who just text. Or just saying good morning every day. Now I don't hear from you for two weeks, and then you say good morning again or whatever. Or for the rest of the day. And you say it again like I'm you're go ahead, sorry. I'm gonna be gone. Yeah, go to hell. Yeah, you're never gonna hear from me. Good night, go to hell.
unknownThe fuck?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Nothing else to talk about. Yeah, let's talk about something solid. Keep that consistent conversation.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_06Consistent dates.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I hate everybody. Things like that. Like phone calls. Call me on the phone. Yeah. I get bored real bad. Because I feel like if you're not being consistent with me, you're being consistent with someone else. Or you're all over the place. Somebody else. Yo, I'm dead ass though. But do what you rather be where you want to be. Don't come over here playing with me. Like, y'all are not sneaky. Like good at being sneaky and shit.
SPEAKER_07We know what's going on. We know niggas. You think we don't put it in the hair?
SPEAKER_10Then I know it's somewhere else. My nigga's on 2K. Y'all talking all the shit. We all 2K.
SPEAKER_06I'm over it. I said I don't want any addicts. So fucking over it, brother. Save that shit for when we get into a relationship. Right.
SPEAKER_07I just said I don't want any addicts. What are the addicts?
SPEAKER_10That dopamine spike is crazy. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. They're not leaving that room.
SPEAKER_06Right. That's not my problem. That's just not my problem.
SPEAKER_10Oh, you like cash cobane?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. A little bit. I like that. Don't ask me nothing else. Come on, girl. Oh. Sorry. Uh, what I am gonna talk my shit about today is people who leave their kids behind in public. Oh. Yeah. Hate it. You're disgusting. And I mean little kids. Like walking in the store, they're fucking 10 feet behind you. Like, kids aren't getting snatched up out here. Like, I'm ready to snatch them up just to make sure they're safe, but then I'm gonna look like the psycho. But bitch, take care of your kids. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, I'm serious. That pisses me off. These babies are little. You should. I would be, I don't care how scabby you're gonna be. You're gonna be in this store all day. Fuck it.
SPEAKER_07Find a leg to grab on, find an arm to grab on, and we're out of here.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Like literally trailing, like watch your kids at the end. Like she's you're all the way up here. She's coming around the corner. Right. What the hell? And like little little like four-year-olds. Makes me sick. Do better. Insane. Fuck.
SPEAKER_10Protect the kids, guys. Yeah. You're not wrong because you're a mom and you know how to handle your kids, so right.
SPEAKER_06But some people just legit don't. They be in their they put their own feelings and shit they're going through before their kids. And don't get me wrong, as parents, we do need to do that sometimes. A lot of times, because these motherfuckers be on bullshit. But yeah, they don't care about nothing. Certain shit, you're stressed out, you're in public, it doesn't matter. Your kids are with you. They're there. Fucking pay attention to them. Right. Do it. Yeah. That's all I got for talk your shit. Can you say it to their faces? Huh?
SPEAKER_10Come and get your damn kids.
SPEAKER_06Come and get your goddamn kids. Why you want me to say that?
SPEAKER_10Is that what you say to the lady in Walmart?
SPEAKER_06I didn't say it to her. I shoulda.
SPEAKER_10Shoulda.
SPEAKER_04But the way she looked at the biggest. Bitch, mind your motherfucking business. And then I would have had to chop her in the throat for sure. And then take her kids home with me where they're safe after.
SPEAKER_06Oh my goodness. And then after you're talking about it, after she's just kidnapping somebody's kids, right? They're good here. I cannot. That's hilarious. Yeah, talk your shit. God damn. Let's tone it down now. You know what I love? Nyla in the background. Oh no, that's fine. I don't even hear. That's all I'm doing.
SPEAKER_05I love that you guys think we're getting into health, wealth, and positivity. And really, I got something else for you today.
SPEAKER_10Okay.
SPEAKER_06And this is gonna be called Respectfully, of course. Let's get it.
SPEAKER_10I like it.
SPEAKER_06Respectfully, of course. Do we have to change that? Come on, let's go. Let's see what we have to do after that. I'm excited. You ignore red flags, then act surprised. Oh respectfully, of course. Damn. I ignore red flags. That's your flight. But I'm really sure you do. Yeah. See, I can be delusional. Once you start playing in my face, I'm gonna put that shit aside and check your ass if I see fit. Yeah. I want to be delusional a little bit. In love. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I agree. So being in love is being delusional.
SPEAKER_05No, no, no. Like you're so perfect. I love you. Yeah, love you.
SPEAKER_10Like if I I feel that, but then you get taken advantage.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10My mind won't allow me to do that. You're too naive.
SPEAKER_06Once I start feeling like, no, it's not even about being naive, though. Like some people are, but it's like if you start trying to play me, like nigga, I know you ain't like you don't know that I'm maybe you do think I'm dumb. Maybe you in your mind you really believe that. That's insane. Then if somebody believes that about me, then there's a dumb one. Childish. You're dumb. You're dumb, not me. But um, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Ready for the next one?
SPEAKER_10I was trying to decide like, am I stupid for real?
SPEAKER_06Well, look, you gotta ask, but yo, am I really good funny? Stupidity. You say you don't like drama, but entertain multiple women. Damn. Respectfully, of course.
SPEAKER_10You're looking for her.
SPEAKER_06How could you not be? Not only because you're getting you're having to deal with multiple women. So you're getting all these different personalities, all these different mood swings, all these different whatever. And then if they find out about each other, even more drama.
SPEAKER_10Problematic for sure.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. What if they're all just cool?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_10What if they're all cool with each other?
SPEAKER_06Play. Last one. You want honesty, but can't handle it.
SPEAKER_05Respectfully, of course.
SPEAKER_04Pussy. Stupid. Stupid okay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Half of it. Yeah. You want it, you want that narrative to fit. That's what I say. There is no fucking half. Half. Out. You tired. Are you tired? But wake up here. I'm up. Say that again, Steph.
SPEAKER_10You want it to make sense for you.
SPEAKER_06And you want it to be soft or not hurt you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I like that.
SPEAKER_05You liked it?
unknownA lot.
SPEAKER_05Nice. Nice. Glad you liked it. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool.
SPEAKER_10It's full of little like bright colors.
SPEAKER_06Right? Little surprises.
SPEAKER_10Here and there.
SPEAKER_06Like little gift boxes.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I like that a lot.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. It was cute. I liked it. I had a good time with you guys. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Me too. This was fun. Mm-hmm.
unknownTired.
SPEAKER_10Guys, call us. Call the show.
SPEAKER_07Call me. 802-319-9133.
SPEAKER_04I'm surprised you're best friends.
SPEAKER_06I remembered as I just said it up. And we're the three best friends.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Then we could have the three best friends. I will never change. Never.
unknownEver.
SPEAKER_06Yes. We do.
SPEAKER_10We have a lot in the works right now. We can't.
SPEAKER_06And we know you love us too. We know you can't wait to see us. Talk to us. Listen to us again. Have a great time.
SPEAKER_07We got a lot of cool announcements next episode.
SPEAKER_10So shout out to Mercedes. That was really cool. Yes. Dope that you stopped me in public. Yes. That's courageous.
SPEAKER_06Mm-hmm. In our 2020s, that's so dope. He's been tripping over his own feet ever since Mercedes.
SPEAKER_07We're famous now. We're famous.
SPEAKER_06I will sign your autograph. Same. Alright, guys. Your autograph?
SPEAKER_10I need that.
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