The Wholesome Menace Podcast

Everyone Wants A Leader, Until It's Time to Follow.

Stephane, Crys Marie, Rissa Lynn Season 1 Episode 9

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In Episode 9, the Menaces unpack a tension most people feel but rarely admit: why do people say they want leadership… but resist being led?

From relationships to workplaces to culture at large, everyone talks about wanting strong leadership, direction, and structure. But the moment accountability shows up, the conversation changes. We explore the difference between wanting guidance and actually accepting authority, and why following may be harder than leading.

As always, the conversation goes beyond the main topic. The Menaces move through their usual segments, real-life examples, and some unfiltered opinions along the way.

In Debate Club, we throw another question on the table:
Is jealousy a natural human emotion—or just insecurity dressed up as something justified?

Honest conversations. Different perspectives. A little chaos.

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SPEAKER_06

Hello, welcome to the Holes and Menace podcast. I am your host, Chris Marie. We have your host, Stefan, and your host, Reesa. Hey y'all.

SPEAKER_10

Welcome exciting to be back at work.

SPEAKER_07

I know. I mean, we had what a week? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

It's like a month.

SPEAKER_10

I hated it.

SPEAKER_06

It does feel like it's been a long time. You had a lot of editing to do.

SPEAKER_10

For sure.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

That episode was so good.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and we made some discoveries which needed to be addressed. Yeah. So it wasn't like a week wasted. It just was kind of weird being away from the sun.

SPEAKER_10

Yes. Big time.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Glad to be back though.

SPEAKER_06

Me too. I didn't know if I was gonna know what to do coming back.

SPEAKER_07

I didn't know. I guess my first day all over again. I need a refresher. That is hilarious.

SPEAKER_06

Oh god.

SPEAKER_10

Alright, so let's get into some attitude and gratitude.

SPEAKER_09

Help me grow. I skip home.

SPEAKER_06

I was okay. I'm letting bullshit go this week. Okay. I was about to play it again. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was playing this in the car earlier, and Zoe was too through with me. She was like. You can't be serious. Yeah, I'm like, you have no idea. This is adult music. Yeah. Move around, kid. Okay, so this is grown-up stuff.

SPEAKER_10

Letting bullshit go.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_10

Our world is really crazy right now. I don't want to get into the politics of it all. Just we'll just say that they are pissing on us and they don't want to give us the courtesy of calling it rain.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_10

What's new? And all the craziness that's happening, how are you guys coping? What are you doing to cope?

SPEAKER_06

Wanna go first? Yeah, sure. I just kind of mind my business and live my life every day the way I'm used to living it. There's nothing I can do as one individual to make things better or make everybody make shit better. So I just be like, fuck it. Some people are just dumb anyways.

SPEAKER_05

That's true. And I haven't the time.

SPEAKER_10

For sure. That is true.

SPEAKER_05

So I'm gonna live until I can't.

SPEAKER_10

That's a bar.

SPEAKER_06

Me personally, I don't watch the news, so I don't know what the fuck's going on. Don't care. I got my own things going on. I don't work in politics. I don't. I guess I kind of live in it, but I don't give a shit. Told you I'm serious. I'm not letting that shit affect my life. And the reason why is because I used to, and my anxiety was through the roof to the point that my mother had to force me to stop watching the news. You were really watching it a lot at one point. It was weird. Knew everything that was going on. Yeah. Yeah. And I was I remember that. It was weird. It was weird. It was really intense. Once I'm in something, I'm in it. That's something I had to get the fuck out of. Yeah. Yeah. I like last year. I absolutely things too. But yeah. Yeah. That's just not a joke and matter. I'd rather have a good time.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I think that I smoke far more than I did before I started paying attention to the ways of the world.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Actually, it's funny. I met a guy at work years ago. He said, uh, how do you decompress? I said, I don't know. Watch TV or something. He said, Do you smoke? He said, Do you smoke? I said, No. He said you should start.

SPEAKER_06

Great influence. Right. What's his name? No, you don't have to say his name, brother.

SPEAKER_08

I was just around here.

SPEAKER_06

Tell me later.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. And it's just not that I couldn't live the world soberly, but that's what they're doing. Bullshit out there. And I don't even want to this blatant.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

From top to the bottom.

SPEAKER_06

In your face to like you don't believe it. I I believe everything I see. And here. I I can't stand it. I can't stand that she believes everything that she hears and sees. This thing be sending me shit. Everything's shit. Look at this. Look at this. It's real.

SPEAKER_08

I'm like, bro, this is gotta be real. Everything's real.

SPEAKER_10

They're lying.

SPEAKER_05

Everything came from somewhere.

SPEAKER_06

For sure. I believe that.

SPEAKER_10

We live in a society where they're pushing that. And it's chaotic. And people are putting their very lives in these people's hands, right? What we're finding in this circle at least is that we're like-minded individuals who want to do community together despite whatever they got going on. Yeah. Right. Despite the gas prices going up. Can I complain about it?

SPEAKER_06

Make a little bit of noise, not my gas. I gotta get to work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Because they're doing whatever they're doing. It's really sad because on the other side of the world, people are actually dying. Yeah, I know. And it's something that I think about. And I guess here in America, we don't feel some of those repercussions.

SPEAKER_05

Right now.

SPEAKER_10

Right now.

SPEAKER_06

So that because I think about it coming over here. It's it's not like an unrealistic thing. Just because it hasn't happened in however long. But this nigga fucking.

SPEAKER_10

That could be.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. I'm just gonna find a cave or a hole to hide out in until it passes.

SPEAKER_10

But that's what I mean. Like we're like-minded individuals, so we all understand what life should like if the world goes that way. Yeah. What we all need to do to make sure that we continue should the world go that way. Yeah. And that's what I mean. Like, how are you coping in the middle of that? You guys are finding ways to hey, I gotta live this life regardless.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_10

Whether they're doing that or not.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And I feel like maybe that's not conversations that are happening in throughout our community, right? Because we're so dependent on the government. We're so dependent on social services. We're so dependent on Hanford and Price Drapper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, but like, do you know how to plant your own garden? She does. Yeah. So I got a bunch of seeds for you. I got I'd love to have them. Yeah. I got oh, I got 'em. Gotta do that this summer.

SPEAKER_10

All I can say is that that you are your saving grace. You're gonna save it. Yeah. Nobody's coming to save you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Self-efficiency is very important. You're gonna have them. Yeah. I'm trying to be as self-sufficient as possible.

SPEAKER_10

Big time.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Hunter, gatherer, all the things if I have to be.

SPEAKER_10

That's all I have for attitude and gratitude.

SPEAKER_06

I love that. Yeah. That was a good question. Okay. That uh gratitude gave me a great attitude. Now that was cool.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Now we have I've been waiting for this.

SPEAKER_06

It's been so long. I don't know if I'm gonna be good at this game anymore. You'll be just fine. Oh my goodness. Alright. It's not you.

SPEAKER_10

I know I suck at this.

SPEAKER_06

It's okay, Benoit. You did pretty good last time. You really did. We got one. We got one each. We both got one each. And I got two. Oh, so we didn't get shamed. I'm gonna start rooting for you guys. I'm sorry that I'm always down and hoping you're gonna lose. Yeah, not right. I've got a different attitude. At least we know the world is normal.

SPEAKER_10

She starts turning nice and be good.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Now, for your first two. Cranes in the sky. Solange.

SPEAKER_04

Bug. I should have known.

SPEAKER_06

I'm sorry, Stefan. I really didn't think she was gonna get that that easily, but I didn't need it.

SPEAKER_05

Didn't need it.

SPEAKER_06

I like it. I like that.

SPEAKER_05

I know it's a longe.

SPEAKER_06

Good job.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's a really good song. We'll listen to it after.

SPEAKER_06

All right. Risa got that. Damn, you're good, girl. Now I don't know if I want to be proud. Come on. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Quick switch. Okay. For your movie quote. For your movie quote.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't want to answer to. Why don't you let me know? I don't. Why? You reckon my float, okay? Excuse the fuck out of me.

SPEAKER_05

Is that near long?

SPEAKER_06

The movie quotes are like my fave, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

That's an older movie.

SPEAKER_06

I know this nickname quote.

SPEAKER_03

I know you don't know it.

SPEAKER_06

Play it again.

SPEAKER_03

I learned a long time ago not to ask a question. I didn't want to know how to ask it too.

SPEAKER_06

Love Jones? Ding ding ding ding ding. Damn. I never even seen that movie. You've never seen Love Jones. Maybe I did. Bitch. I was about to say, what you this is if she's never seen it. Can you see my shit? I'm not. You know how I knew? Because I know Nina Long's voice, and then I had to listen again, and I'm like, that's Lorenz Tate. You know what else I knew? You're full of shit. You said I've never seen the movie. You're gonna guess the goddamn movie. You seen it. I'm gonna go with you seen it. All right, let's go. Congratulations. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07

Congrats for a boy.

SPEAKER_06

God Z. All right. Hilarious tune. That Bridgeton beat. Yeah. I would have never got that trash. Well. Cap. My bed. Oh god. All right. Last movie quote. Who's ready? Who's ready? I think I'm ready.

SPEAKER_05

Let me have it. We'll do this one.

SPEAKER_00

You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my god, what is that? I know that guy's face. I don't know his name. I don't know his name either, but he's hilarious. Yeah, he is.

unknown

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_06

For sure. That's very fun.

SPEAKER_00

You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.

SPEAKER_05

Fuck. I want to say something, but I don't think it's right.

SPEAKER_06

It's not. It's not right. One more? Wait, wait, give me a second. You don't know it?

SPEAKER_10

I'm thinking of something else.

SPEAKER_06

Damn you, Benoit. One more?

SPEAKER_10

You said Vince Fawn, so now I'm thinking of something else entirely, but I don't think it's that either.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, one more, one more.

SPEAKER_00

You can take a pitch pipe out of a guy's hand when he's in the middle of a very funky groove.

SPEAKER_05

Fuck, it's not the breakup, huh?

SPEAKER_06

It is the break. I love that movie. One of the best. Yes. Damn. I was gonna say four Christmases. I'm so glad I didn't. I'm so glad I took that third listen. I've been real hasty twice. No. You gotta give us our three turns. Okay, fine. I really suck at the cool. You ever see the breakup? Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn? Never ever. What have you seen? Because I feel like that list is short and you probably could name them. Please tell us. We're all waiting. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter. Love Harry Potter. I don't remember that, but have you ever seen like so he's a nerd? Like I said. Yeah. Um me too, though. I love them shit. 007s. What about all the Mission Impossibles?

SPEAKER_10

Watched all the Mission Impossibles. Nice.

SPEAKER_06

I'm not into the action like that. Love it. I need it. I gotta have it.

SPEAKER_10

All the Pirates of the Caribbean.

SPEAKER_06

What was it? What did you say? Pirates of the Caribbean. Disney.

SPEAKER_07

They can live on a Disney channel. Uh yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_06

Manda.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's Star Wars, but still.

SPEAKER_06

All of it. Marvel.

SPEAKER_03

All of it.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, fucking Marvel for sure. I love Marvel. I'm in a DC, but Marvel is just my shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I'm like a bigger job of it than DC is and DC has some good shit.

SPEAKER_06

They got some good shit. They don't keep up with it, I feel like. Or they like just kind of let it go. Did they ever come out with another uh season of that penguin shit? Because that I'm not gonna lie, they did good with that. That was pretty. I actually didn't watch that shit. It was good. I watched Teen Titans or Titans, whatever. Colin Farrell. You know he plays him. He does? Yes. I'm gonna watch it. You gotta watch Colin Farrell. Yeah, they got some like really good bags in that shit. Love him. Yeah. The gentleman. Shut up. I love everyone in the gentleman, honestly. He said, shut up, shut the fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, shut the fuck off. Yeah, that's a classic. Okay. Well, I won that. Yeah, you did. Congrats. Bring any gifts. Congrats. Congrats. What did you say? I said, did you bring any gifts? But that's all right. I'll have it. Bring any gifts. It's not crazy because I did say I would bring gifts. God damn. Not this time. Oh, I did bring you a gift. I bought dinner, so that was a pretty gift. That is not a gift. That was a pretty gift.

SPEAKER_07

Let's get to I've been waiting. Hey, hey, hey.

SPEAKER_06

Even my computer is high. God damn.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, let's see. What do I have for the delusion Olympics? Atte. You're not stuck. You're comfortable.

SPEAKER_06

Stuck in comfortability. Wicked. Yeah, that's very wicked and sad. Get out of that immediately.

SPEAKER_07

Delusion.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm. Move around. It'll be good. Change your room around.

SPEAKER_07

Something.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Your house around, something. If you feel like you're stuck or if you feel like you're comfortable, do something else. Evaluate a different that's making you feel like that. Yeah. Attack it. Get out of it.

SPEAKER_10

You gotta will yourself to fix that.

SPEAKER_06

And burn some sage. Open the windows though. And the doors. Anyway. Wash your ass.

SPEAKER_05

Use some floater water after.

SPEAKER_06

Something. Anyway, moving on. You say you're healing, but keep returning to what hurts you. Delusional ho. I've been there. Same.

SPEAKER_04

I don't think I've ever done that.

SPEAKER_06

Good for you. You had like one relationship in my life.

SPEAKER_04

Well, let me shut up. I'm like shit, kinda me too. I've had a couple.

SPEAKER_10

I don't think I've done that though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

That's good.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. That's good for you.

SPEAKER_10

But that's delusional because you're Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Why are we doing this?

SPEAKER_10

You're choosing to not heal.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I gotta have more, baby. Obsessed.

SPEAKER_06

Obsessed for sure. Yeah. That's hilarious. Very delusional though. Very toxic. Um all right. Oh you're not too real.

SPEAKER_05

You're just unfiltered and sometimes careless.

SPEAKER_06

That is not about me. And that is delusional for you looking at me after she said it.

SPEAKER_07

Are you looking at me? Are you talking about me?

SPEAKER_06

Oh god. Hilarious guys. Are these delusions or lifestyle choices? I guess it's a lifestyle choice for me. I'm not totally careless. Some of it's delusions though. I'm like, I gotta go to HR right now. For work. Yeah. Fuck.

SPEAKER_10

Some of it you're just not in your right mind.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Making poor choices.

SPEAKER_05

I've been there.

SPEAKER_10

Same. So I'm learning to like take accountability for that though.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_06

And moving forward, moving better.

SPEAKER_10

Big time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But I'm just a girl. I'm doing my best. Same.

SPEAKER_06

I'm not just a girl.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I know. But you're a good one.

SPEAKER_06

You're just a guy.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

You're a big deal.

SPEAKER_05

You are a big deal.

SPEAKER_10

Guys, I was in market 32. Yes. And this wonderful lady named Mercedes stops me.

SPEAKER_06

Hey Mercedes. Hey guys.

SPEAKER_10

She said wholesome menace. And I was floored.

SPEAKER_06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_10

What do you mean? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07

We're famous.

SPEAKER_10

And that's amazing. It's just a testament to what we got going on, ladies. You guys, we just gotta keep plugging.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And people are watching our stuff. Shout out to Mercedes. Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Shout out to Market32. Big time. Because y'all carry some good orange juice in the produce section. And I like their sushi.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, their sushi is pretty good. I do the vegetable, but it is good.

SPEAKER_10

I will also say I just I'm glad they chose to switch over from Price Chopper to Market32. That looks way better.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, aesthetically pleasing for sure. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And I was saying the name.

SPEAKER_05

For thirty years of my life.

SPEAKER_04

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05

I was always adding an S at the Chopper.

SPEAKER_06

Price Choppers. Price Choppers. Why am I doing that? The sick shit is I still call Market 32 Price Chopper. So there we go. I'm not a price shopper, but y'all know what I'm talking about, though. Yo. That's true.

SPEAKER_05

Well, that's all I have for the Nugent Olympics today.

SPEAKER_10

So good.

SPEAKER_05

I hope you liked it. It was good. That's what Christmas said. Yeah, not the end.

SPEAKER_10

Ladies, I have a question for our main topic today. I like questions.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_10

Why do people want leadership but resist being led?

SPEAKER_06

If I knew better, I'd do better.

SPEAKER_10

If you knew better, you would do better.

SPEAKER_06

I mean speaking in the past. Now I know better and I can do better.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. I need to know because I think in a female dynamic, a lot of times a lot of men get told, you're not leading me properly. Which is great. I've never told anybody that, but you know, or you don't know how to lead, or he didn't know how to lead post-relationship being. Yeah. Um, why does why do women want leadership but they don't want to be led?

SPEAKER_05

I want to be led.

SPEAKER_10

Um, but there's always some resistance in the leading part.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I mean, for me, if I'm gonna be honest, I'm blaming my dad. Blaming my dad.

SPEAKER_10

He might have a part to play in that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Not leading my mother properly, not leading us as a family, not showing us what it looks like for a man to have that role in a household. So the everything has to be learned the hard way for the most part, you know, because I mean, my relationship with my twin's father wasn't the best. Like he was not a leader for us at all. Um, unfortunately. I mean, now he's grown and he's doing great. Like, I'm not sure, you know, how he's functioning in his relationship. Um, that's none of my business, but I know he got his shit together, and I love that for him, I love that for me, and I love that for our kids. Um, but my last relationship, he was for sure a leader, is a leader, and for me, there was a lot of resistance because I felt like he was trying to control me, and I'm not looking at it like he's really like he does everything for us. You know what I mean? Like he's paying all our bills, he's taking care of me, taking care of the kids, making sure I get to my doctor's appointments, make sure he's there for my surgeries, like he's doing everything, he's doing the grocery shopping, he's doing just anything you could think of. Like this man is really that, and I wasn't receiving it well. And don't get me wrong, like he's not perfect, um, neither am I, and so we had our issues and shit, but um hindsight, he is for sure a leader, and I was not in a place of knowing and wasn't able to really um maintain that, yeah, yeah, because I was very resistant at times. I think people want direction, they don't want correction, and I feel like one doesn't come without the other, yeah, for sure. You have to correct your shit in order to direct it into another because how do you move forward if you're not right, yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Direction might look sorry, that correction might look like control. Yeah, it might sound like control, but if you trust the person to lead, yeah, then it's not them controlling you, yeah. Leading. Right, you know. Um, I feel like everybody wants them to be the leader until it's the friction between what I want to do and then what you're doing.

SPEAKER_06

Right. And what's best for this household, yeah, right, yeah. I I feel like okay, for somebody like getting into some idea into something like that, like fresh, and then you having to take on those um, like if the person's trying to lead and you have to be accepting or uh receiving of that, it's like when so for me, for example, I'm so used to doing all my own things by myself. So I've been doing a lot of soul searching about this. Like, am I really ready for that? Yeah, and am I really ready for someone to come in and like take control of what I not control, but you get what I'm saying? Yeah, of what I got going on, like helping. I'm definitely with somebody guiding it. I don't know that I would receive it well right now. I want to.

SPEAKER_03

That's real.

SPEAKER_06

I do, but I honestly don't know how I would receive it, and I'm trying to, you know, deal with that before I do actually meet someone that I can think about those things with. Yeah. Because I want to allow someone to do that for me, us, family, everything. It's important.

SPEAKER_10

I feel like being led requires some humility, but how uh how quickly do you humble yourself to someone else's program for lack of a better word?

SPEAKER_05

Right. I mean, that obviously is gonna come with time, it's gonna come with building that trust and consistency, knowing that this is somebody you can count on to get shit done correctly.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, you know, I love to say things are situational, but it really is.

SPEAKER_10

That's true. If they drop the ball, if they drop the ball consistently enough, it makes you feel like they can't lead or hold their word to it, which shit's real. Even I think the last episode we were having a conversation is how long should I wait? The guy said, How long should I Yeah. But if you've proven that you can't hold it down, yeah, you really can't expect the woman to choose to trust you, right?

SPEAKER_05

Right. Um or continue dealing with you, right? If it gets that, yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Especially if you guys are not in marriage. Because even then, eight out of ten times niggas is about the door.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

So it's intense, I think that men leading, that's a responsibility that shouldn't be taken lightly. No, no, no, no, not at all. But if we want women, they want that. But that shit is not something you should be entering and choosing to enter lightly. Especially if we're we're older now, so I mean we got kids, we got bills. You cannot come incorrectly at this point. For real. If you come at all.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Just some thoughts I had. We want women. Great. We don't think it requires much to have you guys because we just love you. You don't mind you want us to, but you want us to be leaders and providers, and those things are costly on our end. Now, you're you just said somebody who could do it, did do it, and showed up. That's costly, even though he did it with a loving heart, right? Still requires love. So it's interesting that you said that you still found difficulty accepting that, even though he was that yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, so for me, like our situation was a little different because I was so used to working. I've been working since I was 15 years old. So then I went into heart failure in 2020 and um hadn't been working. And then I like after my uh third open heart surgery, I went back to work and stuff like that. It just had been difficult because I kept going back into heart failure and having to have another procedure and another. So I at some point I felt very much like a burden, and it caused some resentment from me. It wasn't even him, like he wasn't complaining or anything, but like for me in my mind, it just caused that insecurity because I'm like, damn, like I can't even help this guy do anything, you know what I'm saying? I can't even maintain working full time anymore because now I gotta keep going back. And my doctor's appointments are usually three hours away, so it's like now he's gotta constantly be bringing me down there and stuff like that. It was just a lot, and um, and it was more so like me going through like depression and not feeling adequate, and that was hard, and I took you know, you take shit out on the people that are closest to you, and that's exactly what I did.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. So I have a question.

SPEAKER_06

And he didn't deserve that.

SPEAKER_10

That's really dope. Do you feel like he could have accepted that?

SPEAKER_06

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_10

What you s you saying that you felt that way, you feel like you could have accepted that.

SPEAKER_06

Like he he could have accepted it? Like if you would have told him, like, explain that to him. Oh, um I mean, sure. We had conversations about it um afterwards though, you know. And I had to kind of like take a step back myself and and really realize what was going on internally for me. Um, but at that point we pretty much had just kind of went our separate ways. So yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I think leadership only works if somebody chooses to follow.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

In her case per se, things just deteriorated, but in any case, somebody has to be the follower. Yeah, right. But now that I know you would do better now, yeah, yeah. And you don't mind following.

SPEAKER_06

No, didn't break off.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, sorry. I just seen the red light. I just I'm like, okay, get out of my mic. All right, my bad, brother. It's been so long since we recorded. Is everything alright? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And I I get why you guys want leaders because it we create that structure. Do you have that security? Do you have that order, the protection, progress? Yeah, right? That's what leaders are saying.

SPEAKER_06

I want the balance.

SPEAKER_10

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06

So it's like, you know, the men lead in the ways that they do. I wanna do the womenly things, the womanly things, excuse me, behind that. Or like, so that's a balance. Like they're leading in the ways that they lead, and then we're doing what we're supposed to do. Of course. I mean that's all that I just want the balance of all that. I want you to do the leading things that you need to do so I can do the womanly things to make it make sure shit is like I'm running this household and you're making sure that these kids are falling in line. Yeah. When I say do this, you're and if you see they're not, you're like, yo, what'd your mother say to you?

SPEAKER_10

I like that. I like that. Right. Yeah. A script.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

For TikTok. We're gonna do it. Um, but yeah, that's all I have for our main topic today.

SPEAKER_06

That was good. I liked it. Yeah, it was alright. So I'm gonna say we ever it was so good. It was great. I'd just be baring it all on here. Yeah. I just told these niggas I got a baby by my baby father that's right. Well, they're both my baby father die, so it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_07

I'm like, they're gonna chew me up.

SPEAKER_06

Couldn't care less. We said this is cold, hard truths, accountability.

SPEAKER_10

And I think hopefully, as we keep it real here, people are encouraged to keep it real in their own minds.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. It's okay.

SPEAKER_10

Sooner rather than later. The discourse is not angry, or we're not like no, yeah, no, we're just keeping it real.

SPEAKER_06

I actually feel better for keeping it real. Come on now, yeah. Lying doesn't feel good. Trying to be someone you're not doesn't feel like that. Doesn't the pride and ego get in the way is not we what we just had a comment. Somebody said a sub five saying what they do or don't want. Because in the la in our last episode, you know, we were talking about the things we wanted, and I don't care. We're all ugly to someone, yeah. But guess what? I'm getting my ugly ass up on this camera every goddamn five minutes. That's hilarious. You're not five, not too much on my sister with my five ass. Five plus five plus five, fifteen. Fives, guys. That's hilarious. Does your dad know you're watching the show, buddy?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, just he looked like a little young nigga. Does your mom know you're here?

SPEAKER_06

This is for adults. This is the adult chat. That's funny. And who's muting their mic? Me. All right. So thanks for the honest feedback, buddy. I love it. Yeah. Speaking of, where's your bowl? Well, then fuck that bowl.

SPEAKER_04

Like now.

SPEAKER_06

I actually wanted to do something a little different with hot seat today. Okay. Like a men versus women kind of thing.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_10

Okay. So me versus YouTube?

SPEAKER_06

Huh?

SPEAKER_10

Or me versus Risa.

SPEAKER_06

I'm asking the questions. It's gonna be YouTube.

SPEAKER_05

She will pull herself out. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

I'm ready. Ah. Okay. My bad. Tourette's. Um, I have to put my password in, guys, because make looking at my stuff when I'm not around. Nobody's looking at her stuff. Actually, yeah. I got my own stuff to look at. Especially you. You're very suspicious. I've never seen Love Jones, but it's at the movie Love Jones. You're a bride. Pissing me off.

SPEAKER_07

Yo.

SPEAKER_06

Pissing me off. All right. Men. What's the biggest lie women tell themselves about dating?

SPEAKER_02

What's the biggest lie women tell themselves?

SPEAKER_06

As a man, how would you answer that question? As a man.

SPEAKER_10

That they don't look at me, nigga. To be dated.

SPEAKER_06

That they deserve to be dating? Yeah. To be dated. Dated. That sounds a little delusional. If you ask me.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I'm not saying that at you guys, but like in the same way that um women will be like, why is this guy in my inbox? His shit's not even together. XYZ. All I'm saying is that not every not every person who's on who's out there dating, but the same thing applies.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, to women who don't got their shit together. Correct. For sure. And it'd be a lot of you hoes talking about why this nigga and my name. Let him know that he shouldn't be because you can't get your shit together either. Yeah. While you're judging. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I would say, yeah, they're not really why you shouldn't be dating right now.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that shouldn't be your main priority.

SPEAKER_10

Right. I agree.

SPEAKER_06

Like it's not mine because my shit ain't together. My shit ain't together either, but I want to date.

SPEAKER_10

I don't even want to date.

SPEAKER_06

I just want to.

SPEAKER_10

I'm liable to have a little bit of fun.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, maybe that. Maybe that's what I need to have. Fuck, I ain't even having fun. I'm not having fun. Me either. I'm just working. I'm not even doing that. This is work.

SPEAKER_07

Fucking congrats.

SPEAKER_06

Hey. I wish. But um funny. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, I'm not interested in dating because, like I said, my shit's not together. I'm not interested in dating because I keep going back into heart failure. I'm not interested in dating because these niggas ain't got nothing to offer me. Um let them know. And I'm good. I don't want my time wasted. I don't want to waste anyone's time. So I deleted my dating profile. Good for you. Congratulations. Yeah. Fuck it. Shit was just redundant. But anyway, yeah. I'm still free. She's single and still ready to mingle. I am. So fuck. Yeah, right. No. Okay. So what do you think is the biggest lie men tell themselves about dating?

SPEAKER_05

Lord, let me get in that little man's mind.

SPEAKER_06

I'm just kidding. So you got a little brain. Just kidding. That little man's mind. What a lie that they tell. I guess that if they take you on a date that they should be able to. Smash? Sure. Crack. Yeah. I don't like how that sounds.

unknown

Um.

SPEAKER_06

I think. What's another one? I'm kind of like the thinking they I don't want to say deserve to date. That's really aggressive.

SPEAKER_10

Why can't you say it? Just say it, bro. Why the f why are we dodging that? Right. I'm not, because I feel like bro. You're not that worried about it. They're not here right now, bro.

SPEAKER_06

It's okay, bro. No. Um yeah, that. Or they feel like because niggas be thinking they deserve none of the prize now, aren't they? Aren't they?

SPEAKER_08

They want a coochie played with. I just want a um coochie mama. I just want to gotta try it.

SPEAKER_07

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_10

There are some of us that are out here trying our best. No, yeah. Obviously, we know you don't want your coochie played with.

SPEAKER_07

But let me tell you, I know a nigga who does.

SPEAKER_06

His Like the Ducci.

SPEAKER_09

You're hilarious.

SPEAKER_10

Can you define what that means? Huh? Ducci? Why do you say that? Um, why would a man want their coochie played with?

SPEAKER_06

Well, I'll break it down for you right now. Cause they're acting like a hoe ass bitch. One time a nigga said to me, I just like told him I felt like he wasn't super interested, or like he's like not affectionate or something. And he was like, Oh, you gotta bring that out of me. He didn't say like that. But that's how I heard it. Well, that's how you took it. What I heard was come play with this cat. Turn me home, bitch.

SPEAKER_10

Nigga, you just that's what I heard. I don't know what y'all heard, but that's what I heard. All right, so that is obviously a man who's uninterested. Because if a man is interested, you can't get him off of you.

SPEAKER_06

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_10

So why are we playing games? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Just go play where you want to be at.

SPEAKER_10

I can understand that. Because now you're acting like a female. But that's what you're trying to say.

SPEAKER_05

Yo.

SPEAKER_06

Fucking tired of these whores. Yeah. Yeah. But that's one form of it. Nigga, I can go on for this, but I won't. But that fucked me up. Like, because he, the one, I'm yo, nigga, he still be hitting me. The one that kept fucking matching me and shit. The last time he matched me, he said, now, now you looking for a white man. You always kill me.

SPEAKER_07

I'm looking for anybody but you, nigga.

SPEAKER_06

Yo, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_07

But yeah.

SPEAKER_06

That was the one that wanted this cooch play, but was never worked.

unknown

Hey.

SPEAKER_06

I don't like that. Yeah. Don't just be a congrats. Congrats.

SPEAKER_07

Shake my hand, actually.

SPEAKER_06

Love it. You keep it up.

SPEAKER_07

I will. Keep that shit up.

SPEAKER_06

Alright. Yo, here's where I want both of you to answer.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Who plays the victim more? Or better? Men or women? Women.

SPEAKER_07

Listen to Miss Girly Girl over here blaming the women on the black. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Listen. I like it. Break it down. These bitches be out here fronting and lying and crying and acting like they be so hurt. Mm-hmm. And then once you out the nigga face, you cackling and laughing and making jokes with your friends on the phone on FaceTime.

SPEAKER_07

Have I ever done that? I'm pretty sure I did.

SPEAKER_06

Damn. Wicked.

SPEAKER_10

I'm gonna say men.

SPEAKER_04

Break it down.

SPEAKER_10

I think that we're manipulative responsibility.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10

We're made for that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. So you it's a lot of irresponsible niggas out here.

SPEAKER_10

If we call it a spade a spade, however you slice it now. Are there ups and downs? Yes. For sure. But if you don't have it in you to go get it done, you want to stay down. You're choosing that because you're designed to go get it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Victim.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, or when they do something wrong a lot of times, they're blaming the woman or anything else for whatever their actions are.

SPEAKER_10

I think in once men start taking the blame accountability.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And they fix it, society ends up turning itself around. Just be like a man-bashing situation. But I think that when men take responsibility, there are less cases where somebody women are victimized. Children are victimized.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Or even if you do something wrong and you're known for taking, not saying keep doing shit wrong and then keep taking accountability, but if you're known to be like a person of integrity and that isn't the norm for you, and if you can be honest and take the accountability, people would be more accepting towards being forgiving.

SPEAKER_03

For sure.

SPEAKER_06

I just I honestly believe that. And you feel better.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_06

Sometimes those hard pills are the best ones we can swallow.

SPEAKER_03

For sure.

SPEAKER_06

Learning. So I guess that was it. Those were hot seats. Some pretty good questions, though. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Why do I feel like this ain't that hot? But I can't put my problems on a woman. Yeah. Even as a married, now divorced man, I can't put my problems as a man on someone else.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

We got evicted, that's the husband's fault. For whatever the reper No 50-50, whatever the situation was. Yeah. I'm not gonna put that on. I'm gonna take responsibility.

SPEAKER_06

Don't be coming to me with no 50-50 shit. I'm just putting it out there. I'm not interested in that.

SPEAKER_10

And I I agree with you. Have I had to do that? Yes.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. I mean, these are tough times we're living in. Yeah. But ideally, I wouldn't like that. You gotta be tougher than these times, buddy.

SPEAKER_10

Yo, that's hilarious. Tougher than a child. Yeah. Learning how to get it and get it for real.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_10

Keep it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

So like you said, we are I know better and I get to do better.

SPEAKER_05

I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

At least you do. Right.

SPEAKER_10

Accountability.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, for sure. I know someone who doesn't. I'm really sorry. Wow. That was interesting, Chris Marie. I liked it. Did you like it? I did like it. It wasn't a little bit yeah. Deep. Yeah. I was just thinking, like, I wanted to do something like hear your guys' hot opinions on the opposite sex. What do you think about that? What do you think about that? Yeah. Glad you enjoyed. I enjoyed too hearing your guys' viewpoints on that. Cool.

SPEAKER_07

Now should we do Would You Rather?

SPEAKER_06

That's that fun. Do you is it okay?

SPEAKER_10

At your leisure.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Thank you. I appreciate that. You're a gentleman and a scholar. For sure. We appreciate you. Yep.

SPEAKER_10

You did it one time.

SPEAKER_06

We appreciate ya. I'm never gonna forget. Clearly. She doesn't forget thing.

SPEAKER_05

Alright. Would you rather be resting or escaping responsibility?

SPEAKER_06

Did I ask this question already? Who cares? I'd rather be doing both.

SPEAKER_10

Resting or escaping?

SPEAKER_05

Responsibility.

SPEAKER_10

I'm gonna say rest. This sounds intentional.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_10

Responsibility is cool. Because I'm yeah, I'm cool.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, me too. It ain't going nowhere. You're just gonna keep piling it on.

SPEAKER_06

Handle that for sure.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Yeah, that was good. I know I asked this. I'm gonna ask you again.

SPEAKER_06

Would you rather admit you're afraid of intimacy or keep blaming the wrong people?

SPEAKER_10

I'm admitting it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. I mean, I said I'm not afraid of that, but if I was, I'd rather admit it. Yeah. Yeah, I could admit it. Blaming the wrong. It depends on the person, because then I might blame you. If you're a dick. Fuck it, it is your fault. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05

She's funny as hell.

SPEAKER_06

Just saying.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Alright, here I am admitting it. Me too.

SPEAKER_10

Like, I don't want you to see all of it.

unknown

I don't.

SPEAKER_05

Right. And I'm a Scorpio.

SPEAKER_10

If you see all of it and don't love all of me, I'm gonna be tight. So no.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

And people usually run away when they see all of it.

SPEAKER_05

Why? That's why everyone's running from me. What is it they're running from? Do you think?

SPEAKER_10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

Are you obsessive?

SPEAKER_10

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_06

Are you overbearing?

SPEAKER_10

I try not to be.

SPEAKER_06

Who's running? Cause I just see the bitches flocking.

SPEAKER_07

Damn! Did I say too much? Am I saying too much? Oh well.

SPEAKER_10

No, it's not even that. I just that's what that's why I'm afraid of it. That's what I'm afraid of.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I don't maybe that we were talking about that because you expect everybody to leave.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

That's not you.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10

Self-sabotage problem. Maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Oh, I was saying, we were talking about that the other day.

SPEAKER_10

We were just talking about that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_06

Like yesterday, I feel like.

SPEAKER_07

And my self-sabotage.

SPEAKER_10

Genuinely, and maybe I need to take some time to go through that, but I that'll be my I've been in the most intimate relationship possible. Yeah. No that it was authentic. It wasn't a food gazing experience.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Not really trying to go there again with another person.

SPEAKER_06

You think so? You I think so. You will maybe want to one day.

SPEAKER_10

I think I love that experience.

SPEAKER_06

I think not with someone like that last person, obviously. You don't want to go back to that. And I wouldn't give that's scary. That bitch, the satisfaction of not opening up to somebody else. Do it.

SPEAKER_10

Alright. You're gonna do it. That's great.

SPEAKER_06

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06

I anything to see you happy.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, and I'm not like this is not like total damage. He's no this is just there's a lot of hesitation. Yeah, understandably. Right. I will be sh sure.

SPEAKER_07

Just sing it, nigga.

SPEAKER_08

That thing entertain us.

SPEAKER_07

I'm not gonna sing that. Sorry. We cut that out, we cut that out.

SPEAKER_04

Cut the tape. I'm not cutting nothing.

SPEAKER_10

I'm so serious. They but yeah, that's just me.

SPEAKER_06

I learned I need to be it's important to have that friendship for real. Like people just dive into shit. Then that's why you're getting to know the person.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. I'm developing really good friendships right now. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Something I didn't do before. And that's the proactive approach. Alright, so we're gonna get that shit right for real.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Before I even think about jumping into the deepest type of relationship there is. Right. So okay. It's not all fear, it's a little bit of action in there, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Nice. Yeah. It's lovely. Last one. Would you rather be desired by many or valued by one?

SPEAKER_06

That's easy. I guess it depends on who you are. Some people just I want to be wanted by many. Some people just want to enjoy romance and not commitment and that intimacy a lot of being with one person. I was actually thinking about that today. Were you? Like earlier. What were you thinking about? So I was thinking about how like sometimes I don't put myself in situations, or maybe I do, where there's not any real commitment. It doesn't have to be any real commitment. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. And it's like, would I rather just do that?

SPEAKER_04

Situationships.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, sure. Like I think in my heart of hearts, I don't want that. But the way shit is, it's like easy. I don't want to keep getting my hopes up or like you know I'm super, I love love. Like I believe that that shit is there for me somewhere. And I won't ever not think that. But I feel like right now, the space that I'm in, maybe I don't really want that whole commitment of just one person. Right. But then I don't love talking to multiple people at one time, so I it's confusing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I don't know. I think it's interesting. I know that this might be a little sleaze baggy to say, but there are so many beautiful women on the planet.

SPEAKER_06

That's not sleaze baggy, that's the truth. Right. Right. You bitches look good.

SPEAKER_10

They look great. And they all have their own distinct personalities. For me to say that I would never want to meet one person and spend the rest of my life. That's beautiful. I could do that, and that's super deep. I could do that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

There's also a plethora of other experiences out there.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10

Maybe not prosthetic, but we live in a world where that's possible now.

SPEAKER_06

I think that's personal.

SPEAKER_10

You can go out and meet somebody. You can go out and enjoy. Does that make you a hoe now?

unknown

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

It makes you dating. It doesn't mean have sex with everyone.

SPEAKER_10

There's a lot of sex going on.

SPEAKER_05

That's what you want to do? That's that's gross. No, that's not what I would say.

SPEAKER_07

That's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_06

That's what he's saying. That's what he wants. That's what he's interested in.

SPEAKER_07

A lot of sex, a lot of sex, a lot of sex.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I love it. Gotta have it. Let's do it. A lot of thrusting going on. A lot of ass throwing.

SPEAKER_10

There's a lot of sex happening.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_10

For sure.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Not for me. Why is he looking like that so sad?

SPEAKER_05

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_10

Live in that world.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

You want to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_07

And I think it's like, I am a part of it.

SPEAKER_06

Sending me where the people are.

SPEAKER_07

The very best.

SPEAKER_06

No. I want to see. It's totally different. Singing the Little Mermaid. Dancing. Yeah. Wanna see them fucking Sicko. Yeah. Erv. That's me. Good heavens.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

The long buzzer.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry, Mom.

SPEAKER_10

She said she's done things too. Yeah. That's what she said.

SPEAKER_07

Don't talk about my mom. Fuck.

SPEAKER_06

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_07

She hasn't done shit.

SPEAKER_06

Right. No. That's not true.

SPEAKER_07

God damn it.

SPEAKER_06

That's not true.

SPEAKER_07

Okay. Told you my mommy is a illusion Olympics.

SPEAKER_06

Not D dub.

SPEAKER_04

Maybe y'all mothers. Your mom. Your man. Your man. Tell me I'm a fucking man. Fucking bitch. Fucking bitch.

SPEAKER_07

Shut up.

SPEAKER_06

That's it for would you rather would you rather talk about something else? Like something suspects. Oh, it is debate club, huh? Good heavens.

SPEAKER_10

Is jealousy natural?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Or is it for stock of it?

SPEAKER_06

Yes. That shit is genetic, baby.

SPEAKER_10

In designer closed.

SPEAKER_06

What? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_10

Is jealousy natural?

SPEAKER_06

In designer closed?

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, or is it just cosplay for insecurity?

SPEAKER_06

I think. Jealousy.

SPEAKER_10

Is it?

SPEAKER_06

Oh no, because I ain't no jealousy. Well, you actually jealous.

SPEAKER_10

Are you jealous because he puts dick in another girl? You don't like that.

SPEAKER_06

Jealous? That's a turnoff. All over the place with this, right? Yeah, that's like that's very much so a turn-off, not jealousy. If you want to be fucking somebody else somewhere else, then so where would your jealousy come from? I'm not jealous. I don't feel I'm not a jealous girl. I hate to say jealous, I'd hate to say it, but I'm sure that's what I'm feeling a little.

SPEAKER_10

Right. I know you're I know you're feeling it.

SPEAKER_06

And once I feel that, I'm the fuck out of there because I'm not jealous of anyone. I love myself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

That's an you would say that that's a natural feeling.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, if I like you and we're fucking around, and then I realize you're fucking someone else, it's like, whoa, okay.

SPEAKER_06

See, I'm not jealous, I don't like you anymore. Yeah, I mean, unless this is something we know is is going on.

SPEAKER_05

Like, say I'm in a situation ship and we're not serious, and we're not exclusive to each other, I guess, if you want to say, but I'm not gonna be jealous.

SPEAKER_10

If you're fucking with somebody else, like so the script that's is women against men. So I find out that my girl is cheating, she's sleeping with another guy. Jealous. Is that not jealousy? Is that or is that well break down?

SPEAKER_06

You didn't say what you were feeling, you just said what happened.

SPEAKER_10

I find out that he's she's sleeping with somebody, another guy. What are you feeling? That feeling that I get inside anger? Is it insecurity?

SPEAKER_06

I know what you're jealousy. Yeah, I feel like it's disrespect. Well, you're saying off your angry feelings when you think about that. Let's because I feel like I know what you're trying to say. Yes, you think about the person that you're dealing with fucking on somebody else. Yeah, you get the So you're like, I'm not good enough. That sick feeling. Like that sick feeling. Yeah. Is that jealousy? I don't think that's maybe hurt, hurt, disgust. But then when you're thinking about this nigga's fucking this other bitch, like what? You're jealous as fuck. I don't think I'm jealous. I can't say I'm jealous. I I'm not gonna lie. This is I love this. Hello, sir. I will I love this. This is let's unpack this. So you're jealous guy. You feel jealousy?

SPEAKER_10

I hate to say that. I don't think I'm a jealous person. That's why cheating is not a deal breaker for me.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10

It did say I can bounce back from that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Because I'm not, because when I think about it, am I upset that he put dick in her? Really? Can I get past that screen?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Yes. Okay. In that moment, am I thinking about that? Am I jealous? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I am. Because why are you touching her like that?

SPEAKER_07

How you touch me? Are you touching her? How you touch me? You are you that man? You sucked his dick? Yeah. But is that a jealous feeling? I'm asking.

SPEAKER_06

I'm thinking I'm asking you. We're asking each other. Jealousy is a jealousy. I think it's situational.

SPEAKER_07

I will not say I am jealous ever, ever that's to How about news?

SPEAKER_10

Admit it.

SPEAKER_06

Have I been jealous? Absolutely. I'm gonna define it. So we're for a titch.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. Jealousy is a complex, often destructive emotional response to a perceived threat to a valued relationship or status, typically involving insecurity, fear of loss, and anger. Rooted in low self-esteem or fear of abandonment, it often stems from a scarcity mindset or unhealthy comparison. It is normal, sometimes protective. It is a normal and sometimes protective emotion that can also be the catalyst for understanding one someone's or one's own desire.

SPEAKER_06

I'm not jealous. No, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_10

I'm not sorry, but you said so the response is for someone betraying you is I no longer like you. Yeah. That's what happens.

SPEAKER_05

I'm good on you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

In that moment when you are made aware of the situation that is the betrayal, you feel nothing.

SPEAKER_06

No, not jealousy. I feel a whole bunch of things, but never like, oh, I wish I was her, or why, you know what I'm saying? Like why is that her has to wish you were the other person? It doesn't have to be that. Oh, I'm I'm losing him because he's you ain't supposed to be here. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been cheated on so many times. So for me, it just is like, and I've never been jealous of a bitch that yeah, a nigga cheated on. I don't think I've been jealous of the actual female because ew. But I think I've been jealous of what he gave to the girlfriend gave to her. Fuck!

SPEAKER_10

That's and yeah, that's so real, nigga.

SPEAKER_06

Like, why are you doing that?

SPEAKER_10

Why didn't you give that to me?

SPEAKER_06

Or damn, envious, even like um you've never felt that. No. Not that I can I can say, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, no, no, you go. I can say another time I felt it when fucking Zoe's dad would be with his other kids, and I was Zoe.

SPEAKER_07

That was anger, resentment, all of it. But I also was just like, what is it about, you know, for a long time when I just wasn't in a very good.

SPEAKER_06

And I want some around her.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's and then I came to understand that.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. And yeah. Fuck. Yeah, I felt it, but never jealous of a bitch, like of it's just of the situation, I wanna say.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. Maybe you can't put jealous of jealousy on the third person, the third, the the third party. It's toward the person that you're yeah relating to.

SPEAKER_06

Like maybe jealous that I you're not giving me something that you did before that you're giving that person. Not no, you're not gonna sound like I'm not jealous. Um probably like a little annoyed. I feel like maybe jealous isn't the right word, but I get what you're trying to say. It's not right for me, it's not fitting for me.

SPEAKER_10

It doesn't fit which typically happens in your relationships. No, I see that.

SPEAKER_06

I know I felt that. Even if I shook it right off. Yeah. Because I'm not a jealous bitch in the least.

SPEAKER_10

I try to think of myself as not someone who's super jealous. Again, that's maybe that's me protecting my own self because to be able to. No, not anymore. I probably I used to be. Yeah, I used to be. Yeah. I just think that um now I think I'm hot shit.

SPEAKER_06

You are for sure. I know, I'm sorry, I know. Solid five. Yeah, total five. Solid is crazy. Five. Five stars. Solid.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I just I'm not in the space of comparing myself to another person. Yeah. I'm in my own lane. Yeah, right. And I know what I have to provide, right? What I have to offer as a man, right?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

So that's why I'm not experiencing jealousy in that capacity. So even if somebody did cheat on me, like cool.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Fuck you. I might not. It doesn't make a person better than you because somebody cheated on you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah. Should you leave the bitch alone? Probably. Especially if you want to be in a monogamous relationship.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

But I think everybody's for everybody, so no.

SPEAKER_06

I'm starting to feel like that too.

SPEAKER_10

It's okay. I have my own thesis on the matter.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, please share. Please.

SPEAKER_10

It's a very long process. Okay. I have students for it.

SPEAKER_06

This is for it. Yeah. Oh. And we'll do a like a little special.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Just on the thesis of everybody is for everybody.

SPEAKER_10

I love it. It might be a part of our debate club questions because yeah, we'll see. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_10

That's all I have for debate club, ladies and games.

SPEAKER_05

That was very good, Stefan.

SPEAKER_10

Most people are experiencing a degree of what I just talked about just now. Yeah. Somebody's going through that type of situation. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05

And I feel bad for you.

SPEAKER_10

Let it go.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

You're self-sufficient in yourself. You don't need to compare yourself to the person.

SPEAKER_06

Definitely not. Don't compare yourself to anyone. Nobody is you.

SPEAKER_10

You can't compete where you can't compare.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

You're one-on-one.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_10

Actually. Your twins are one-on-one.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Right. Come on.

SPEAKER_10

So you got this guy.

SPEAKER_06

Love you, so. Yes. That's where it starts.

SPEAKER_10

And we love you.

SPEAKER_05

We do love you. Sending you love and light.

SPEAKER_10

Every human sugar foot. You're worth it. Don't let anybody tell you any different.

SPEAKER_06

Fuck them. Alright. Speaking of blue, I like that.

SPEAKER_01

I never respected niggas in the streets. That's why I always got the problems I got. People tell me, maze chill. No, chill for what? Who is this nigga?

SPEAKER_06

That's what I said to my boss. I didn't say it to my boss. Oh goodness. Should have.

SPEAKER_07

Alright, talk your shit. I need something.

SPEAKER_06

Give me something good. Give me something good to talk shit about. Hmm. Whoever would like to go first.

SPEAKER_10

This winter has. I think I've killed six mice since probably October.

SPEAKER_06

Mmm. You started in the fall. Killed them. And alive.

SPEAKER_10

Killed them dead. What are you doing in my house?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Of all of God's creatures. Despise them. Yeah. They're disgusting.

SPEAKER_06

I guess there could be worse things in the house.

SPEAKER_10

Right. They're not here now.

SPEAKER_05

Could.

SPEAKER_10

They're all afraid now. Good.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, you should be. Them niggas ain't afraid. They just taking a break. Hang them from the ceiling. Let them in the Christmas hall. You see your little friends up there, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_09

That's sick. But what the hell are you going to do? You might get results.

SPEAKER_06

You might get fucking results, brother. That is hilarious. I hate mice, bro. Yeah, they're disgusting little fucks.

SPEAKER_10

And I got my little, you know, animal here too. But actually, she killed one too. Actually, that was great.

SPEAKER_05

Oh wow. Good for you, Nyla. You're a strong woman. Nyla, yay!

SPEAKER_06

Versus like mama, can can we get a rat?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Oh fuck. Like, boy, he oh, he asked for the most insane rat. Like people. Insane animals. Crazy. Like, can't you just ask me for a cat?

SPEAKER_10

A rat.

SPEAKER_06

A rat. A rat, yeah. Or a capabera. Tough. Like, bro, are those even those are not a domesticated animals? Like, you heavens know.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Sorry. Oh, it's my turn.

SPEAKER_04

Go for it.

SPEAKER_06

You want you ready? No, please go ahead. I'm just I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04

I'm listening, but I'm also looking.

SPEAKER_06

Alright. This is like more relationshipy, but I feel like I'm more interested in consistency than chemistry.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Obviously, I want to have some chemistry. Right. The consistency is important because it's gonna build exactly on that.

SPEAKER_10

What are you looking for consistently?

SPEAKER_06

I'm looking for shit.

SPEAKER_08

What the hell?

SPEAKER_10

But I'm just saying, like she's not telling y'all Jack, bro.

SPEAKER_06

No, nothing. Don't worry about what I'm wanting to do. Nothing. I'll never tell my secrets. Yeah, you can't. I'm trying to help y'all out. Read my mind, nigga. No, like if I was interested. Somebody come and sweep her off a feet. And dating. Sweet. I am pretty funny. But um, yeah, like consistency as far as like speaking daily, but not on some what you're doing. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't worry about what I'm doing. Why don't you come see what I'm doing? I like that. You know, and I hate just people who just text. Or just saying good morning every day. Now I don't hear from you for two weeks, and then you say good morning again or whatever. Or for the rest of the day. And you say it again like I'm you're go ahead, sorry. I'm gonna be gone. Yeah, go to hell. Yeah, you're never gonna hear from me. Good night, go to hell.

unknown

The fuck?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Nothing else to talk about. Yeah, let's talk about something solid. Keep that consistent conversation.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

Consistent dates.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I hate everybody. Things like that. Like phone calls. Call me on the phone. Yeah. I get bored real bad. Because I feel like if you're not being consistent with me, you're being consistent with someone else. Or you're all over the place. Somebody else. Yo, I'm dead ass though. But do what you rather be where you want to be. Don't come over here playing with me. Like, y'all are not sneaky. Like good at being sneaky and shit.

SPEAKER_07

We know what's going on. We know niggas. You think we don't put it in the hair?

SPEAKER_10

Then I know it's somewhere else. My nigga's on 2K. Y'all talking all the shit. We all 2K.

SPEAKER_06

I'm over it. I said I don't want any addicts. So fucking over it, brother. Save that shit for when we get into a relationship. Right.

SPEAKER_07

I just said I don't want any addicts. What are the addicts?

SPEAKER_10

That dopamine spike is crazy. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. They're not leaving that room.

SPEAKER_06

Right. That's not my problem. That's just not my problem.

SPEAKER_10

Oh, you like cash cobane?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. A little bit. I like that. Don't ask me nothing else. Come on, girl. Oh. Sorry. Uh, what I am gonna talk my shit about today is people who leave their kids behind in public. Oh. Yeah. Hate it. You're disgusting. And I mean little kids. Like walking in the store, they're fucking 10 feet behind you. Like, kids aren't getting snatched up out here. Like, I'm ready to snatch them up just to make sure they're safe, but then I'm gonna look like the psycho. But bitch, take care of your kids. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, I'm serious. That pisses me off. These babies are little. You should. I would be, I don't care how scabby you're gonna be. You're gonna be in this store all day. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_07

Find a leg to grab on, find an arm to grab on, and we're out of here.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Like literally trailing, like watch your kids at the end. Like she's you're all the way up here. She's coming around the corner. Right. What the hell? And like little little like four-year-olds. Makes me sick. Do better. Insane. Fuck.

SPEAKER_10

Protect the kids, guys. Yeah. You're not wrong because you're a mom and you know how to handle your kids, so right.

SPEAKER_06

But some people just legit don't. They be in their they put their own feelings and shit they're going through before their kids. And don't get me wrong, as parents, we do need to do that sometimes. A lot of times, because these motherfuckers be on bullshit. But yeah, they don't care about nothing. Certain shit, you're stressed out, you're in public, it doesn't matter. Your kids are with you. They're there. Fucking pay attention to them. Right. Do it. Yeah. That's all I got for talk your shit. Can you say it to their faces? Huh?

SPEAKER_10

Come and get your damn kids.

SPEAKER_06

Come and get your goddamn kids. Why you want me to say that?

SPEAKER_10

Is that what you say to the lady in Walmart?

SPEAKER_06

I didn't say it to her. I shoulda.

SPEAKER_10

Shoulda.

SPEAKER_04

But the way she looked at the biggest. Bitch, mind your motherfucking business. And then I would have had to chop her in the throat for sure. And then take her kids home with me where they're safe after.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my goodness. And then after you're talking about it, after she's just kidnapping somebody's kids, right? They're good here. I cannot. That's hilarious. Yeah, talk your shit. God damn. Let's tone it down now. You know what I love? Nyla in the background. Oh no, that's fine. I don't even hear. That's all I'm doing.

SPEAKER_05

I love that you guys think we're getting into health, wealth, and positivity. And really, I got something else for you today.

SPEAKER_10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

And this is gonna be called Respectfully, of course. Let's get it.

SPEAKER_10

I like it.

SPEAKER_06

Respectfully, of course. Do we have to change that? Come on, let's go. Let's see what we have to do after that. I'm excited. You ignore red flags, then act surprised. Oh respectfully, of course. Damn. I ignore red flags. That's your flight. But I'm really sure you do. Yeah. See, I can be delusional. Once you start playing in my face, I'm gonna put that shit aside and check your ass if I see fit. Yeah. I want to be delusional a little bit. In love. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I agree. So being in love is being delusional.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no. Like you're so perfect. I love you. Yeah, love you.

SPEAKER_10

Like if I I feel that, but then you get taken advantage.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

My mind won't allow me to do that. You're too naive.

SPEAKER_06

Once I start feeling like, no, it's not even about being naive, though. Like some people are, but it's like if you start trying to play me, like nigga, I know you ain't like you don't know that I'm maybe you do think I'm dumb. Maybe you in your mind you really believe that. That's insane. Then if somebody believes that about me, then there's a dumb one. Childish. You're dumb. You're dumb, not me. But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Ready for the next one?

SPEAKER_10

I was trying to decide like, am I stupid for real?

SPEAKER_06

Well, look, you gotta ask, but yo, am I really good funny? Stupidity. You say you don't like drama, but entertain multiple women. Damn. Respectfully, of course.

SPEAKER_10

You're looking for her.

SPEAKER_06

How could you not be? Not only because you're getting you're having to deal with multiple women. So you're getting all these different personalities, all these different mood swings, all these different whatever. And then if they find out about each other, even more drama.

SPEAKER_10

Problematic for sure.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. What if they're all just cool?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_10

What if they're all cool with each other?

SPEAKER_06

Play. Last one. You want honesty, but can't handle it.

SPEAKER_05

Respectfully, of course.

SPEAKER_04

Pussy. Stupid. Stupid okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Half of it. Yeah. You want it, you want that narrative to fit. That's what I say. There is no fucking half. Half. Out. You tired. Are you tired? But wake up here. I'm up. Say that again, Steph.

SPEAKER_10

You want it to make sense for you.

SPEAKER_06

And you want it to be soft or not hurt you.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

I like that.

SPEAKER_05

You liked it?

unknown

A lot.

SPEAKER_05

Nice. Nice. Glad you liked it. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool.

SPEAKER_10

It's full of little like bright colors.

SPEAKER_06

Right? Little surprises.

SPEAKER_10

Here and there.

SPEAKER_06

Like little gift boxes.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. It was cute. I liked it. I had a good time with you guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Me too. This was fun. Mm-hmm.

unknown

Tired.

SPEAKER_10

Guys, call us. Call the show.

SPEAKER_07

Call me. 802-319-9133.

SPEAKER_04

I'm surprised you're best friends.

SPEAKER_06

I remembered as I just said it up. And we're the three best friends.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Then we could have the three best friends. I will never change. Never.

unknown

Ever.

SPEAKER_06

Yes. We do.

SPEAKER_10

We have a lot in the works right now. We can't.

SPEAKER_06

And we know you love us too. We know you can't wait to see us. Talk to us. Listen to us again. Have a great time.

SPEAKER_07

We got a lot of cool announcements next episode.

SPEAKER_10

So shout out to Mercedes. That was really cool. Yes. Dope that you stopped me in public. Yes. That's courageous.

SPEAKER_06

Mm-hmm. In our 2020s, that's so dope. He's been tripping over his own feet ever since Mercedes.

SPEAKER_07

We're famous now. We're famous.

SPEAKER_06

I will sign your autograph. Same. Alright, guys. Your autograph?

SPEAKER_10

I need that.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Autographs. Like, comment, share, subscribe. Yes. That wraps up another wholesome menacingly episode of the wholesome menace podcast. We love you guys. Don't forget to be shit. Be wholesome, but don't forget to be a menace. We're out of here, dudes.