The Wholesome Menace Podcast
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The Wholesome Menace Podcast
You Need A Morality Check.
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Is morality something we follow… or something we create?
In this episode, the crew dives into one of the most uncomfortable questions of our time:
Is there a real standard for right and wrong—or is everything just
Because if morality is personal, then anything goes.
But if it’s absolute… then we all have something to answer to.
This isn’t about being right.
It’s about asking yourself—what are you actually standing on?
Hello and welcome to the Host of Menace podcast. I'm your host, Chris Marie. We got Steph and Risa in the building. Hey y'all. And I'm ready to have a good time. Sure.
SPEAKER_04Always.
SPEAKER_02I think I am.
SPEAKER_04I am. That's why I come here.
SPEAKER_06Happy Saturday.
SPEAKER_04That's the only reason I come here.
SPEAKER_06To have a good time?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Same disease. That's it. But yeah. Absolutely. It's not a good time? Always. It's a screen.
SPEAKER_04It's a gas. Happy Saturday.
SPEAKER_06Happy fucking Saturday. For sure.
SPEAKER_04For sure. Her first. It was busy though. It was very busy.
SPEAKER_06I woke up and got out the bed doing shit.
SPEAKER_04Yes. And she was like rushing me this morning. So I had to like run over there and then I just been outside literally all day. Yeah, same. Waiting for people.
SPEAKER_06Busy but productive for me. Very she had a lot of things that needed to get done today. I cut my son's hair. Nice. It looked really good. Trying something.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I love going to the barber, but I'll be honest that my child throw a buck every time I need to get me with his hair to not doing that. Especially if you could do it, just do it. Just gonna do it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to the barbers, but yell at Westin while because he doesn't want to listen, but I'm having the blast and they look great, so yeah. Um, ladies, let's get into some attitude and gratitude today.
SPEAKER_02Yes, sir. Let it go, guys. Let it go.
SPEAKER_06I heard something really interesting today that kind of helped me or made me pivot our attitude and gratitude. I wanna give an attitude today. Oh, bad kind of way, but a way of thinking, a way of being.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_06You know what I mean? So uh this pastor, his name is Tim Ross, he has a podcast, and he said something that was so deep he says, you can be hurt and regulated.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And I started thinking to myself, and I said, your pain does not control your posture. A lot of times you get hurt. The saying goes, hurt people, hurt people. Yeah, but I think the second part is a choice. Yeah, you choose to inflict or pour out what you're feeling on another person, right? You can still be hurt, and that's a valid experience for you, right? But that your posture should remain the same. In fact, it's probably more genuine if you don't shift while you're going through something, right? You know, yeah, and that's just the attitude that I want to kind of push out into the world right now. You can be hurt and going through some stuff and still not be an asshole.
SPEAKER_04Right. And still be kind, still be yourself, and still be yourself. Stop taking it out on everybody else, fix it.
SPEAKER_06And those who know that you're bleeding are gonna be there to help put you together, yeah, right. That means that your blood might be on their hands. They're okay doing that. I don't think that you should just splash that blood on other people though, on everyone, so that they know that you're hurting.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_06Or that they can feel what you're feeling. Because that empathy works both ways.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_06And that's my attitude today, and that's the one I want to push out into the world, right? So that's cool.
SPEAKER_04I like that. Good attitude, brother. Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_06Like that's that's a good attitude to have.
SPEAKER_04I feel like you always have that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's just who you are, though.
SPEAKER_06Like Yeah. It ain't easy being cheesy.
SPEAKER_03I bet it is when it comes naturally. Cheesy.
SPEAKER_06Um, hopefully, you know, you guys who are listening to us or watching this can take some of that and apply it to your own lives. Because we're all going through shit.
SPEAKER_03Right. Right.
SPEAKER_06And some of us don't handle it too well. It doesn't neglect or invalidate your own experience.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But you can transform, you can grow, you can be better.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. That's what you want to do.
SPEAKER_06The same 24 hours you gotta, unless you choose to eject, which I don't recommend. It's pretty cool out here.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06You know.
SPEAKER_03For the most part.
SPEAKER_06For the most part. Some shit going on, but by and large.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um still gotta live it, so why not live it in a better mental space?
SPEAKER_04I that's what I tell myself.
SPEAKER_02Like, um, I had no choice but to be okay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I had no choice. You gotta let people do the bullshit that they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Who are you to control that or try to for sure people are gonna be who they are.
SPEAKER_06For sure. So I love it. Yeah. I totally have for attitude and gratitude today, ladies.
SPEAKER_03That's good. Yeah, a little different.
SPEAKER_04I'm chilling. I got Nyla here. That's good. My attitude's great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Therapy. I mean, I'm just watching her liquor paw at school.
SPEAKER_02Nah, but yeah, that was cool. You have anything, Reese? I don't. You guys ready for the good shit?
SPEAKER_06Give it to me.
SPEAKER_04You were very upset, Bethsabactor. Yes, I was. Yeah, we were talking about that. Yeah. We were talking about that, brother.
SPEAKER_06No.
SPEAKER_02Baby boy was upset.
SPEAKER_06That I was sucking.
SPEAKER_04Immediately.
SPEAKER_02All right.
SPEAKER_03Let's hit you with uh with a tune. Okay. A good old tune. Serenatus.
SPEAKER_06Focused on you. I don't know what song, but I know who it is. Oh, I don't know who it is either. Uh stop. Come put it on my back.
SPEAKER_03Damn.
SPEAKER_06Ooh, I don't. I don't know the song. Fuck. Keep singing it so I can get it. Come put me on my back.
SPEAKER_04Um Cardi. On my back. Yes.
SPEAKER_00On my back.
SPEAKER_04I'll give that to both of you guys. Nigga kept singing.
SPEAKER_06I'm like God is good, but I don't know every single Cardi B song. So shout out to Cardi for sure.
SPEAKER_04But the album. She killed it. Cardi. It was a good album. I love it. It was a good one.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04She's cool. That was a good album. All right. That was good. That was good, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I knew it was gonna be a good episode. I'm gonna great one. Let's run it. Yeah. Don't get too cocky out there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he's gonna great because he got it.
SPEAKER_02There you go. You did great. Let me hit you with your quote.
SPEAKER_01Once again, opportunity. It's an opportunity. It's a protein thing.
SPEAKER_06I knew it again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Once again, it's a lot of two. It's a pretty thing.
SPEAKER_03Vince Vaughn for sure.
SPEAKER_06Oh God. I don't know it.
SPEAKER_04I'm ready for that last one. So you're ready for the timer? No.
SPEAKER_05Oh.
SPEAKER_06Oh, we'll take it. I forgot it.
SPEAKER_01It's not juice. It's a protein thing.
SPEAKER_04What Vince Waugh movie could that really be?
SPEAKER_03It's not as well shaped like that.
SPEAKER_06I almost said that was Jonah Hill.
SPEAKER_04You're both wrong. That would be 51st dates. And uh damn, I don't know that dude's name. The short one from Lord of the Rings, the dude from Lord of the Rings, and he he played Drew Barrymore's sister. And he always had the belly muscle shirts on.
SPEAKER_02And 51st dates?
SPEAKER_04And I think that's Lord of the Rings. No, not Rob Schneider. Yes. Not Frodo, the one that was with him. Yes. Oh, okay. Bill. Um Stranger Things. Yes. Oh god, I'm just Bob. Billy Bob. Same all kinds of names. Damn, bro.
SPEAKER_06I did see that movie.
SPEAKER_0451st day. That's crazy. That list was crazy. Good one. Yeah, very good. Thanks. Yeah, the meat list. Hilarious. All right. Here we go.
SPEAKER_03Could all be so simple. More health.
SPEAKER_04This is easy.
SPEAKER_03That's so easy. This is crazy. This is crazy.
SPEAKER_06I thought what's ball. Fuck. Why the process? Why do I know that I know the song?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Fuck. This is so funny.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03This is our last time, isn't it?
SPEAKER_04That was it. This is your last time.
SPEAKER_03This is sad.
SPEAKER_02I'll give you guys some extra seconds.
SPEAKER_04Here we go with the Debbie Downing. Y'all, I can't believe it.
SPEAKER_06I'm in a great mood. Yeah, of course. Anarchy. Chaos. It's great.
SPEAKER_04I thrive. Can't take my eyes off of you.
SPEAKER_06I don't got it. Fuck me, bro. I know the song well.
SPEAKER_04X Factor, Lauren Hill. Disgusting. Shameful. That is awful. It's bad. Suck.
SPEAKER_06Fuck. Sorry, Lauren.
SPEAKER_04Let me just close this song up and get out of here.
SPEAKER_02You're fired.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy. That's terrible. Yeah, that's bad. All right. You ready for your last movie quote?
SPEAKER_06Go for it.
SPEAKER_02Are we? You're ready.
SPEAKER_00There's no way.
SPEAKER_04Charlie. Charlie, don't look at me like that. King Arthur.
SPEAKER_02Yay! I need a celebration button. King Arthur, she got it. I want to listen to it again. Okay.
SPEAKER_00I haven't had a fight for years. I'm happy to talk. Oh yeah. That shit was level. There's no way. Fucking score like the author's button.
SPEAKER_03Is that like the best King Arthur movie? For me.
SPEAKER_06There's one that's I think is better. The one with Drew.
SPEAKER_03Wait.
SPEAKER_04This is the one with Jude Law.
SPEAKER_06Is it Jude Law in this movie?
SPEAKER_02Or is it the other one? It is Jude Law in this movie.
SPEAKER_06There's the one that I think is it's older, but I think it's a little more cohesive. That's the one with uh I don't remember his name. OG guy.
SPEAKER_04Alright, we're gonna have to look that up. Yeah. Because it is good. But I love this one. I love that one. This one's fantastic, though. Yeah. Yeah. And The Robin Hood was Jamie Foxx and Eggsy. I'm here for all those movies.
SPEAKER_02Those were good. I don't watch those enough times. Probably once or twice. Yeah, I'll watch King Arthur.
SPEAKER_04I watched that about four times. Oh, that was good. That was a good one. All right.
SPEAKER_06Congratulations.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Congrats, guys.
SPEAKER_04Good job.
SPEAKER_03Thank you. Yes.
SPEAKER_02I said good job. Thank you. Don't leave me out.
SPEAKER_04Welcome to the delusion, Olympic. Excuse me, Nyla. Uh uh. Move. Nyla's being delusional right there. Yes, very much so. Goodbye. Why? Excuse me. Goodbye. You don't have a segment on the show.
SPEAKER_02But lay your eyes down.
SPEAKER_04She's trying. She ain't here. Are you guys ready? Lay down, girl. Yes, babe. Yes, babe. Yes, babe. We're ready. We're ready, babe. Ain't nobody call me out. Come on, babe. We ready, girl. I'm like thinking about nylon. Fuck. Just stop the cycle. God damn the delusions are thick tonight. For sure. Sorry. You call it love, but it's convenience. Delusional.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04As hell.
SPEAKER_06That's very well.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_03AF as fuck. Anyway. You want wealth, but hate budgeting.
SPEAKER_04I almost didn't want to say this because I could tell by the way you chuckled afterwards. Because. Guilty.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that really you sent me earlier. Really had me thinking. I mean, I'm always thinking about budgeting. But goddamn. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Most of the time, I think the discipline is just not there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06At least in my own life.
SPEAKER_04It's gotta be.
SPEAKER_06And I want that.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_06Real bad. My lineage depends on that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Gotta figure that out.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Very delusional, Stefan.
SPEAKER_04Very delusional, Sharisa. I don't have to say it. Alright. Let's see. Oh, he's hitting with the budget in, huh? Yeah, I know. Trying to tell me something. Trying to tell us something. I know. Budget. For real. Like, it's gotta happen. Nah, seriously, it really does. Like, there's no way we can't do better. And what choice do we have?
SPEAKER_06Actually, here's the good news. Future Teresa's already budgeting.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_06You just have to meet her there.
SPEAKER_04I'm on the way, baby.
SPEAKER_06Right now. What'd you say? Jumping over shit.
SPEAKER_04Did you say that? Not about budgeting, but that was not about budgeting. I'm on my way, baby girl. Naima.
SPEAKER_03I am coming for you.
SPEAKER_04You're laying it on real thick.
SPEAKER_03All right, let's see. Last one. I'm so sorry. Give me a second.
SPEAKER_04Now I feel like crystal. Because what the hell are you? I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_06That is crazy.
SPEAKER_03Like, what the hell? Well, I had two of the same uh things.
SPEAKER_04I was like, what the heck? But I don't know what happened overnight. Steph, I must have been touching my computer because now she's really trying to be like I was busy culturing myself. Because my whole episode was a race.
SPEAKER_06I didn't touch it.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, it must have been Weston. Sleepy. If it was him, it was you. It was her.
SPEAKER_04I would touch that laptop. Anyway. It was her. Now we know it was you. You're staying because you're afraid to start over.
SPEAKER_06Yikes.
SPEAKER_04Ah. That's delusional.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04That's sad.
SPEAKER_06There's a lot of people on the planet. You will find someone else.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06If that's what you're looking for. Really need to find yourself.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. But some people are just afraid of what that looks like, I guess. They don't know what it looks like. You don't know. It's on charted territory. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's also room for growth. Yeah, explore that. Possibly better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Delusions. Get out of there. Delusions or lifestyle choices.
SPEAKER_03That's all I have for the delusion Olympics today.
SPEAKER_02I feel like so chill.
SPEAKER_04Like, yeah, this is feeling real mellow today. It is.
SPEAKER_06I really like that. You just really convicted me just now with two of the things you just said.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_06I was delusional about the budgeting, and I was delusional about something else that you said.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_06What was the first one?
SPEAKER_04You call it love, but it's convenience.
SPEAKER_06Elaborate. Here we go. It's not a hot seat. You gotta get there though. I just realized that when I was um I knew that my relationship with my ex was over. There was a time that I could have just not that it's an easy thing to get a divorce, right?
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_06But there was a point in time where there was a cleaner way of separating.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Yes.
SPEAKER_06Before my second son was born. There was like an interim of time where if it could have happened, it should have happened there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And not when there was a second baby in the picture. And I think I was just there because it was what we had, it was convenient.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Which I don't know why. Thank God it was because Weston's here, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just were you afraid to start over at that time?
SPEAKER_06Um or to be alone or to not be married, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Maybe all of it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Well, thank you for sharing that. Thank you for your transparency.
SPEAKER_06Of course. It works.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Delusions and I'm learning, so y'all should learn too.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's okay. Clapped is crazy.
SPEAKER_04It's a bit of grass. You alright? You okay? Slide? We're good.
SPEAKER_06You're good. I'm great.
SPEAKER_04You're gonna be right.
SPEAKER_06Wonderful. Yeah. I'm in a great mood.
SPEAKER_04I just we'll cut that up.
SPEAKER_06We're not. We're not so I'll try to help you out. I'm I'm learning, like, and I feel very like I really appreciate those things. Yeah. Because those are areas where you just got some insight on.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I feel like a lot of the things we talk about, even though we joke and laugh all the time, it does make me realize a lot of things and think about a lot of things, which I love. So thank you guys for your serious segments.
SPEAKER_06It's about to get a little more serious though with our main topic.
SPEAKER_04Heavens. We know.
SPEAKER_06Should morality be absolute or personal.
SPEAKER_04Explain. I feel like it's okay.
SPEAKER_06Go ahead. Yeah, okay. Well, I know what morality means, but for our purposes here, because we don't know. Yes. We know what it looks like when we just say shit without knowing it means.
SPEAKER_04So maybe somebody else doesn't know.
SPEAKER_06Yes. Um, I have a a thought or how I wanted to open this, but I think this is actually really important. So we'll do this. Morality is a sim system.
SPEAKER_04Get it right.
SPEAKER_06Get it right the first time. Crazy ass nigga. Morality is a system of principles, values, and beliefs that distinguish right from wrong behavior, guiding human conduct within societies. It's the base definition of that. Right? Um, we live in a world where everybody gets to decide what's right or what's wrong for themselves.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um, it's called moral relativism. Where we used to believe right was right and wrong was wrong. Yeah. Now it's what's good for you is good for you, what's good for me is good for me. And we've kind of blurred the lines a little bit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So my question is, is morality, should morality be absolute or is it a personal choice?
SPEAKER_04At this point, for sure, personal. I mean, how could it not be? I guess I would say personal. Who's gonna make it absolute?
SPEAKER_06Is it absolute?
SPEAKER_04No. Do you think it's absolute?
SPEAKER_06I do.
SPEAKER_04Where? How when everybody has their own personal beliefs, personal preferences? What you just said, what's right for you is right for you, and what's not for someone else is not.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so not everything needs to be moral. There are some things that are just preferences, but at the same time, we all can recognize things that are wrong. Yeah, for sure. Universal shit. Like there are certain exactly. So that's what I'm saying. Is it absolute? Right is right or wrong is wrong, or is it uh anybody can pick, everybody wants to be the John Jackson because what's wrong? Okay, that's what I'm absolutely because what's good for the juice should be good for the gander, but it's not. I don't want to make it super super super deep, but somebody grape somebody. But the baby's born, beautiful baby. Are we saying he's not wrong because the baby's here? It's wrong that he did that. And we know that that's wrong. He might be like, Well, you're welcome.
SPEAKER_04But then on the other hand, it's like you say everybody has to be vaccinated, and other people don't agree with that.
SPEAKER_06Right. That's a matter of preference, though. I agree with you. Not everybody should agree on that.
SPEAKER_04It's not even just preference, it can you can bring that to a moral point when you get to the fact that some of these vaccines cause serious health issues, yeah, disabilities in people or whatever. So how is that moral when you're pushing these vaccines that are doing harm?
SPEAKER_06Exactly. So to my point, is it absolute? Do we say that's wrong? Or is it just up to whoever gets to choose and then who chooses? Personally, I think God is the judge and everybody else tries to play God. That's what I think. Yeah. Um, but we didn't make the world we're living in it. Right.
SPEAKER_04Um but then there are other people who didn't make the world and are running it.
SPEAKER_06Or running it, and they're running it poorly. Absent morals.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure. Right. Like they don't ex-like we all don't know that right is right and wrong is wrong.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_06The whole world knows that. We don't gotta tell a kid. I've in fact you gotta teach a kid not to do wrong how to do right. All of us were taught that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Stand in line, be quiet, raise your hand, be polite. But yet, in some way, somebody can be against that. And it's what's that's good for me, though.
SPEAKER_04I know it's kind of a deep question, but um So then maybe it's just not absolute. I mean, in a sense of it should be, and um the right is right and wrong is wrong. I mean, yeah, that's absolute, but if you're gonna break it down into different forms of morality, then no, it's not absolute because everyone doesn't follow that way of life, a moral way of life. Some people don't give a shit, clearly.
SPEAKER_06For sure.
SPEAKER_04You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06I like that. Um, the application part is the piece, right? Yeah. A lot of people want to say that the standard exists, but it's the question of whether they want to live by it or not. Most people want to do whatever they want to do and be the judge as to whether it is right or not.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But I believe right is right and wrong is wrong. Now, I've done things that I know are wrong. I know that. What I mean by making sure we have that conversation. But why is the standard only appli applicable if I think it applies to me? Even in our justice system, somebody all right, George Zimmerman kills Trayvon Martin years ago, 20 plus years ago. Actually, he murders him, but he doesn't go to jail for murder. He gets off. Even though he did was we know is wrong. Police brutality. All day light, people getting shot, killed, left, right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06We know that that's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, they don't get punished or we don't uphold them to the same standard that we all think is right and wrong. It was written. It is literally written. And as a human being, you see that happening like that's fucked up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06No one has to tell you that. No one stands. I mean, back in the day they would watch us get lynched and it was cool.
SPEAKER_04Right. Smile and taking pictures when we're gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_06Taking pictures and shit like that.
SPEAKER_04Immoral. Immoral, but that's how.
SPEAKER_06Is it a cultural thing then? Is it just based on societies? There are places in the Middle East where women aren't allowed to have their hair out.
SPEAKER_04Their faces.
SPEAKER_06Their faces out. They God forbid a hair slips out, they're getting beat the fuck up. Is that wrong or is it just a matter of preference? Is it a cultural thing?
SPEAKER_04I don't feel like thinking that hard.
SPEAKER_06Come on. Come there with me. I don't think it's a personal thing. I think we're raising children in a society and we need to teach them what's right and what is actually wrong.
SPEAKER_04All you can do is teach them that in your own way. Yeah. There's not the world, it's 2026. Like we can rewind back to how it used to be in the 1800s, early 1900s, and people lived different and because they were following.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04Following this, following society, following, and society was not always right. People think being in school, having our kids in school for seven, eight hours a day is the moral thing to do, teaching us teaching them a bunch of stuff that they're really never gonna use when they get out of there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Instead of teaching them how to grow a garden, teaching them how to budget, teaching them how to get into the stock market, teaching them how to do these things that could be beneficial to this world.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I just think if it's personal, then nothing's wrong.
SPEAKER_04No, that's not true.
SPEAKER_06Everyone takes it morality depends on it.
SPEAKER_04That depends on everybody's mentality as well.
SPEAKER_06I think we used to be bought into what's right and what's wrong. What a man does, what a woman does, we don't buy into those things anymore.
SPEAKER_04No, because there's the freedom for everything. I mean, that goes back to, you know, people frowning upon same-sex marriages and things like that.
SPEAKER_02That is a way of kind of locking people down. It's like a prison, not allowing people to be who they are and live how they want to live.
SPEAKER_04So imagine living in a place like Handmaid's Sale, for example, where there are women that are forced to sleep with men and they're they're they like women, they don't like men. There's, you know, and the same with men. It's just like that is just complex.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, because I my brain's going all these different ways now because there's so many ways to break that down. Moral, morality, people shit is different. Their morals, there everyone has different the way they special everything now. It's 2026, like nothing is the same as it was. Fast-paced world.
SPEAKER_06I feel like some things are the same. I want to believe in the virtues that I believe in. Doing good, being wholesome. Yeah. Having a community of people who believe those things as well.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Not having to worry about my children going to public school because someone's gonna not having to worry that I can't shop at my favorite grocery store because they're poisoning my food.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Some things sh should remain as they are.
SPEAKER_04And yet and still they don't. And you'd be delusional.
SPEAKER_06I feel like we can make it happen.
SPEAKER_04To think that that is you can.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so maybe not for the world, but for your little world.
SPEAKER_06To C's point, I think that people understanding that even in your own personal life, you have to live by the st the standard of what's right and what's wrong in your own life.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And for people around you. Because it might be okay with you, but it might not be okay with the next.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And you have to be okay living to that overall standard. Does that mean you're control being controlled? Like does that mean that you can't express yourself? No, but there's a certain way you should hold yourself in community in society. It's just my thoughts on the matter.
SPEAKER_04I mean, yeah, there is. Like you sh that's just like when you're in certain places, you should sorry, uh, when you're in certain places, you should conduct conduct yourself in certain ways. It's just the thing that you should do. Everybody doesn't do that. They either don't have the mental capacity to do it or they don't give a shit to do it. Yeah. And there's nothing you can do about that. That's why I just focus on me and mine. And I know I get what you're saying and what you're asking. But it's not the world we live in.
SPEAKER_00Gotta make it be the change.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for those that want that, I'm welcome to the community of like-minded people. That's all you can do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Make even if it's that if that's a small change that you make somewhere in the world.
SPEAKER_02Make it a safe haven for like-minded people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I agree.
SPEAKER_04Damn, so it's absolute if you make it. These days. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06No pun intended.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's all I have for our main topic. Not that I wasn't super like deep. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for sure. My brain hurts a little. I'll be going in there. That's what he said. I'll be going in there. Alright. Oh shit. Alright, I'm gonna start that over. Cut the cut this out. Cut this out. It's funny. Risa, you were supposed to say cut the tape. You didn't even do anything. I played it and it was muted.
SPEAKER_05Would you rather?
SPEAKER_04That little bit at the end. I was really I'm just wondering what happened to the hot seat. Oh. My mom wasn't even gonna say anything.
SPEAKER_02Damn, why avoided being doing this?
SPEAKER_06I wasn't avoided.
SPEAKER_02Messing up sex.
SPEAKER_04Every goddamn. Now look, can I I mean I love your enthusiasm to get into would you rather?
SPEAKER_06I don't want to ask you these questions at all. So she says she wants smoke.
SPEAKER_04Smoke man. What was I gonna do, Stefan? I will skip and say. Bring it back.
SPEAKER_02All right. There we go. Yes, Kaylee. Oh my god, Kaylee. Thanks for our drink. They were amazing. Peru. We gotta find another episode where we shout her out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just the last episode. I feel like it was another one too.
SPEAKER_04Sorry. Okay. Talking to your phone.
SPEAKER_06My friend.
SPEAKER_04You know my shit's gone. I gotta take that off. I I trust you guys. Do we have it? Nobody even touches your MacBook. No one touches anybody's MacBook. I know, because it's always lit me. Well, somebody touched mine last night.
SPEAKER_02Nigga, please.
SPEAKER_06Not I said the fly.
SPEAKER_02Picking names. Mm-mm. Sorry.
SPEAKER_04All right, Steph. You're staring at me really hard. So that's what I'm saying. You wanted to.
SPEAKER_03You wanted to.
SPEAKER_04I said I'm not gonna look at you this episode.
SPEAKER_06God damn, nigga was. So I have avoided behavior.
SPEAKER_04She's burning a hole through me. Hilarious. That's great. What family belief are you actively trying to unlearn?
SPEAKER_06What family belief am I actively trying to try to unlearn? I don't know if this is a spoken belief, but I'm not super close with my family members. I don't really talk to my dad super often, but I'm learning to change that. Um mainly because I want my sons to call me every day and talk to me.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And maybe I haven't entirely been a good son. So I'm learning to shift that narrative for myself.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_04Good for you.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04I gotta come up with some harder questions. That was very wholesome. That was very wholesome. Crash and burn. Crash and burn.
SPEAKER_02And if you do, if you do me, I got you.
SPEAKER_04God damn. I got an answer for that. As a matter of fact, I can answer that.
SPEAKER_02Damn, I suck at this. Very good.
SPEAKER_04Steph again. Oh, selfish. Well, the way he was staring at me, the energy must have Yeah, yeah. Just okay. He was like. I was just turned. Couldn't wait to get asked. I would ask him how that feels, but he doesn't care. He's probably like, yeah, he doesn't. He steals the spotlight. It's fine. If you could only work with one of us, if you had to only work with one of us, who would it be and why? Me or you? Yeah. Kind of fucking question. If I would have if I would have picked you, I would have asked you the same question.
SPEAKER_06Okay. What kind of fucking question is that, bro?
SPEAKER_02A hot seat question. Very hot.
SPEAKER_06If I had to work with just one of them.
SPEAKER_02If you had to, you had no choice.
SPEAKER_04You had to pick God or two to pick.
SPEAKER_06I fucking hate your guts, bro. Well, see who's the favorite. Why are you doing this?
unknownI see.
SPEAKER_06I see. I don't know. I work with both of you. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Nigga, I said pick one.
SPEAKER_04Oh my goodness. You have to. Fuck.
SPEAKER_06I don't know. Um.
unknownIt's so hard.
SPEAKER_06It's hard. I love both of you.
SPEAKER_04It is a hard question. I'm over here trying to think like pros and cons.
SPEAKER_00A hard pick.
SPEAKER_04One's gotta go. In order for the pod to survive. Oh, I don't know. You might as well let me go. This movie is so weird. Yeah. Either way, if anyone is missing. But go ahead and pick. Yeah, because you're gonna avoid this question. You're not avoiding. Shut down. I knew this was gonna be a good one.
SPEAKER_06That's a good one. It's not. I would pick you though.
SPEAKER_04Me?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Though I love you, I'll pick you. Why? It's like I so I Yeah, you gotta answer that. This is because her and I have only like really worked on our show like a few times. Because we're in the same room. But you're not at it together, so I think we see a lot of things the same. Okay. So that dynamic wouldn't really shift too much for me.
SPEAKER_04You hear that guy? I'm like, I'll be leaving the show soon.
SPEAKER_06She made me pick.
SPEAKER_04And it wasn't like I don't even want to work here anymore, honestly. Oh no, goodbye. You bring a whole lot. I hate it here. We'll be auditioning for my little Love you forever, though. That was such a good question. Got it rumbling in the bitch. That was wicked. I will oh my god. If it was Risa, I was gonna ask either way. It just happened to be you. Stop staring so hard. Look, he wants to cry. I might. No, I ain't gonna hold you. I was like, Reese, no, it don't even sound right, man. I'm out of here. Cut my check. Hilarious.
SPEAKER_06Okay. My eyes are hot, bro. I feel like I was going through a funeral just now.
SPEAKER_04Brother. You heard it here first. I bring nothing to the shop.
SPEAKER_02Ha ha get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_04All right. Who in your life do you secret secretly resent? No. And why haven't you said anything? I don't resent anybody.
SPEAKER_06Good. It's not healthy for you.
SPEAKER_04No. There's some people I'll fuck with, for sure. Why? Haven't you said anything? Many of you have. And I said all that I needed to say. Yeah. What'd you say? Say, I'm just like, kind of. But um, all right, fuck.
SPEAKER_06You used a good one, Mom.
SPEAKER_04It would have been good on either one of you. Honestly. Yeah. I need some better questions. That wasn't sizzling enough. Sizzling, my heart's racing. Still. He's like, Risa doesn't like me at all.
SPEAKER_06I don't bother you at all. Good on.
SPEAKER_04What's that really on the shit almost over? This mama has that exactly. I'm ready to have a little bit more. Glad I brought my own beer.
SPEAKER_06Oh bro.
SPEAKER_02Thanks. Good. Drive home alone.
SPEAKER_04I love it. That's how I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be insane, bro. That's how I feel right now. Well, I know that I would rather.
SPEAKER_02Would you rather go on to the next segment?
SPEAKER_06Talk about something else.
SPEAKER_04Talk about something else. Speaking of getting up out of here, I have a rapid fire round.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_04So you're gonna answer these questions. No thinking. When I ask you.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Don't pause. Okay. I feel Are you ready? Threatened. Food or sleep? Sleep. Sleep. Fuck. I don't like either one of those things. Passion or peace. Passion.
SPEAKER_06Peace.
SPEAKER_04Beach or city? Beach. Romance or freedom.
SPEAKER_06Romance.
SPEAKER_04Freedom. Snacks or savings. Savings. Savings. Adventure or comfort. Adventure. Date night in or date night out.
SPEAKER_02Out!
unknownFuck! I wanna do things!
SPEAKER_04Travel now or save money. Save money.
SPEAKER_06Save money.
SPEAKER_04Fuck.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04I don't care about traveling. That's sad, but I don't give a shit. Yeah. I need money so I can buy my house and my land. That was good. I like rapid. I want to travel too. I like wrap it around. Do it again.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you like that, huh?
SPEAKER_04No thinking. I like that because all I do is think.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I'm gonna do it again.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Oh, if you guys don't have me.
SPEAKER_05See what you did.
SPEAKER_04Yes, I love it.
SPEAKER_03That's all I have for Would You Rather?
SPEAKER_04Would you rather so bad. That was awesome. It was too fast. It was very good. Do more next time. Do more next time? Alright, maybe I'll do 10 next time. Ew, debate club. Nigga always trying to debate. Yeah. We're supposed to chew his ass for a hot seat. It's alright. We'll get them next time.
SPEAKER_03That's your fault. We gotta ask those questions. You gotta ask those hot questions.
SPEAKER_00I know. I'm still shaking.
SPEAKER_04And put those in the bank. We're gonna get them. We'll tell you guys about it later. Yes. Or plotting.
SPEAKER_06Alright, ladies. Last question for debate club. Just give me two seconds.
SPEAKER_02Hurry up! Damn. Y'all both trying to be like me. Would you rather silence?
SPEAKER_06Maturity or avoidance?
SPEAKER_04Could be either. It depends. What's going on?
SPEAKER_06Alright. We just had a small situation. She messed up the segment and I was quiet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Does that mean being mature or it was just avoiding?
SPEAKER_04That was avoidant.
SPEAKER_06I think I just didn't have anything to say.
SPEAKER_04Alright. Well, are you saying that like he was avoiding the fact that we were about to miss the hot seat game?
SPEAKER_06Got my ass handed to me.
SPEAKER_04Oh, so you were avoiding it. Avoidant behavior. Avoiding. He was avoiding. He was avoiding. Because look how he, why did he bring that up? Because now what? You weren't silent because you were being mature, but you weren't being avoiding. If you were being mature, you would have told me I was messing up. I wasn't avoiding it. Like I did. I'm a tour.
SPEAKER_02Mature. You're a mature lady. You're a child. Jesus. Aggressive.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I think that you were avoiding houses.
SPEAKER_03Me too.
SPEAKER_04I feel like not in that moment. That wasn't something you had to watch. That wasn't the moment to say they were. Okay.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_06Where are we going with this? I I my question is, is silence maturity or is it avoidance? You said it depends.
SPEAKER_04It does depend. So it's not mature when you're just shutting down and you should be speaking, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Not coming at you about what you just did.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, you are. Okay, though.
SPEAKER_04But um in a sense where someone is crashing out or you just can't get through to someone for whatever reason. Yeah. No, that's not avoidant and that's mature. Yeah. You're choosing to fight your battles.
SPEAKER_06I usually get silent when I realize that my point's kind of being made by the other person.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I start just nice. Start saying less.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. See? That's I should I think that's it.
SPEAKER_06And maybe that, and I part of me might be like, I don't want to be bothered with trying to fix what you got going on.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um, and that might be avoiding, but I've just learned that I don't need to Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But if I can avoid excess drama, then that's what I'm gonna do. And that's me being mature in that situation.
SPEAKER_06You got it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I agree with you. I think that it does depend. But I've learned to let to s literally say less than I said something there. Yes. But I did.
SPEAKER_03Would it have mattered if I did?
SPEAKER_04Is it gonna make this person take a step back and look at their actions? Yeah. And most times not.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I'm not gonna waste my breath.
SPEAKER_06I do think silence is golden. Yeah. That's all I have for our debate club.
SPEAKER_03Wow. Quick.
SPEAKER_06It wasn't super debatable. You guys are on the same page today. Yeah. And we're kind of heavy on our main topic, so I'll try to keep it up.
SPEAKER_03We're having a main topic. Don't fucking ruin it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Heavy motherfucker. Yeah. Not bad. No, not bad. Who's ready for Tokyo shit? Hilarious. I literally just did that. That's weird. Okay, Talk Yo shit. Welcome to Tokyo Shit. Shut up, bitch! Who's going first? I love it.
SPEAKER_06Interesting. I don't know if I have anything to talk about today.
SPEAKER_03No, okay. I don't like when people wear two different colored denims.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I try not to do that. Freaks me out. Super.
SPEAKER_03I think you're unstable. It's like the equivalent of super tight tied black forces.
SPEAKER_04Like you maybe. You got some shit with you. That is hilarious. I do not. Different color damn.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like I don't like it like dirty socks in events. Like dirty socks, period.
SPEAKER_06Like hats on the table.
SPEAKER_04Like hats on the table. Yeah. Like purses on the ground. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Bad work.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I agree. Like panty lines. Tacky.
SPEAKER_06Find something else to wear.
SPEAKER_04Get the match and set.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04I don't like cream cheese frosting. Mmm. I'm a fan. I don't know why y'all think that shit goes on red velvet cake. Give me some regular vanilla frosting. For sure goes on carrot cake. Yeah. Anything. Carrot cake, so I don't care about that. Stop putting on red velvet. Thanks. Who said that that was just the frosting to put on red velvet cake? Red velvet cake is like a form of chocolate. So man, listen. Miss me with that shit. I don't like cream cheese frosting. She is upset. Yes. I don't like it.
SPEAKER_03That's funny. I think.
SPEAKER_04No. Don't ever put it on my red velvet cake. Heard. I wonder if that's what they want to put on this cake. No, but do you like?
SPEAKER_06Oh, I love red velvet cake. And I love cream cheese frosting. Okay. Gross, gross, gross, gross. I and I love carrot cake, so double fucking gross.
SPEAKER_04And I like spice cake. And I don't care. And I don't like that. I love spice.
SPEAKER_02Well, you guys can go eat together and buzz off suckers.
SPEAKER_04Here we go. Mm-hmm. Better keep that cream cheese frosting away from me. I know that. Oh, heavens. Talk your shit. Shut up, bitch. I'm sorry. Let me stop saying that.
SPEAKER_06That is hilarious.
SPEAKER_04Mm-hmm. God. Oh, Stefan, you didn't have any shit to talk. Good for you, brother.
SPEAKER_06Gonna hold my peace today.
SPEAKER_04Okay. You just wanna piss me off. Yeah, for sure. With the cream cheese frosting. Add to it.
SPEAKER_02I was asked. Wait till this shit's over.
SPEAKER_04Okay, let's calm it down. All right. I think we were pretty calm today. I know. Were we too calm? This might be a boring episode.
SPEAKER_06I've had a blast this whole.
SPEAKER_04Everyone's not gonna be hype. Got Brandon. Brandon. Fucker. Oh goodness. The energy wasn't there in that episode. Oh my goodness. Guys are boring. Yeah. Fucking boring. You're losing momentum. You guys suck. Drink a Red Bull. I feel great.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Damn, where is my Red Bull? In the freezer. In the freezer. Mm-hmm. I want it to be ice cold. Okay. Good for you. Rest is part of productivity. Gotta carve it out. Yeah, sure. Should also leave. I mean, excuse me. Not now. Yeah. It's BB. Let me just. Okay. Excuse me.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. We gotta carve it out.
SPEAKER_04Yes, definitely have to. I mean, how are you really gonna accomplish anything when you're dead tired? Can't even focus. I hate that.
SPEAKER_06Me too. That feeling when I gotta dress myself up is I literally feel like we're editing sometimes.
SPEAKER_04When I'm too tired. Yeah. Like I if I don't go to sleep right now, I'm gonna die. I be fighting that shit. Not me. I'm going. I'm surprised I don't fall asleep standing up. Yeah. You guys know it. Yeah. Don't call me.
SPEAKER_06She's not picking up anyway, so respect that.
SPEAKER_03Don't even text me. Sometimes I put your guys' messages on mute.
SPEAKER_04I put notify anyway. Yeah, no, but oh, but it's on mute, mute. It's on mute. Yeah. But a bitch. This is important. Leave me be. Look at this gift. Should we put it here?
SPEAKER_0630 gifts.
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah. We stop texting the group. We stop texting the group. Uh uh. Cause I still be getting them. No, sometimes I do it by accident. That's funny. Yeah, I'd be like, nope. She's like, oh, because I still be getting it. And you be laughing at him, but go off. Which is how it has. Yeah. Stability is the loudest form of success. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would say yes.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Also am developing this thought that success is internal. And the stability that I am looking for happens here first.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04And I push it out. Apply it everywhere in the budgeting. Right.
SPEAKER_06In the eating, right. In the things that I have to do.
SPEAKER_04In the discipline.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04Which is where it's gonna start.
SPEAKER_06I received that.
SPEAKER_03So we all have some work to do, huh? Yes. Let's get to it.
SPEAKER_04Maturity is choosing what protects your future, not your mood. Hell yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I thought that was a good one.
SPEAKER_04That's great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I like that.
SPEAKER_04Apply it. I'm not telling you to apply it. You know, people, apply people. Y'all. People. Yeah, not us. You guys. You guys. We're applying it. We're perfect. Not me. Me either.
SPEAKER_02I am.
SPEAKER_06Arguable.
SPEAKER_04Watch your mouth.
SPEAKER_06Watch your motherfucking mouth.
SPEAKER_03That's all I have for health, wealth, and positivity.
SPEAKER_06Very nice.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_03That was nice.
SPEAKER_06That was enriching.
SPEAKER_03Thank you.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I mean, yeah, that was great. That was good to me. Yeah. You're gonna put you in front of a mic.
SPEAKER_04Huh? For sure.
SPEAKER_06In a sound booth.
SPEAKER_04I can't really say. I just do short snippets. That's alright. We'll compile them. Make a whole song out of it.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_04Well, I can't believe that was it for our episode. I know. Did we fly that or did we not? I feel like I was here, but I wasn't really here. Not a little time. Yeah, that's craziness. I cannot believe we're done already. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I don't want to go. We're professionals. We're professionals. Guys, you don't have to do like, comment, shit. Yes.
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