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The word Baptism was created when the KJV writers decided not to translate the word. The Anglican church practiced sprinkling and that makes the word "baptizu" in the Greek problamatic, since it means "to immerse or dip into fluid".
For 1200 years after Jesus, the standard mode of baptism was immersion and normally of believers. Other modes were around during that time, but the standard was immersion.
Why did so many leave what the early church taught? Join Dan and Scott as we dive into the subject of Baptism and it's integral part in the plan of salvation.
Make no mistake, baptism is a command that we must follow and how we perform it matters.
Produced, edited and hosted by Scott Askew and Dan Daugherty
Hey everybody, welcome to the Greek cast. It's a pleasure to have you here with us today. We are uh at the end of summer. We hope. Dan's had AC problems today. Yep. Bless his heart. Uh little warm in the crib. Other than a little warm. How you doing, buddy? Good. Good. We are uh uh wow, is that a jet going over? I haven't heard a jet. While we were recording a podcast yet. That's cool. That is pretty cool. We are uh in the last week of August uh 2026. So uh we are the Burr months are coming. That's right. We're so thankful for the for the burr months, and uh they say you only eat oysters in Burr in our months September, October, November, December, what January, February, March, and April. And then you don't eat oysters anymore. So I made you July. Yeah. And I always heard that growing up.
SPEAKER_01Frankly, I don't eat oysters unless they're deep fried and stuff.
SPEAKER_03Come on. Well, that's okay. I mean, I like deep fried oysters, so I'm not eating them raw, I can tell you that. No, I grew up here and I'm not eating them raw. There's no way.
SPEAKER_01Hey, grandpa wouldn't do that. No, sir. I remember being on a beach in Florida, and uh and grandpa would would uh look for them all the time. And so and he would just crack them open and eat them. He'd crack them open and eat them, just slurp them right out. That's um no big booger.
SPEAKER_03No, I I how hungry did the first person have to be?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I uh no I mean I wouldn't do that.
SPEAKER_01The first person to do it probably didn't even think about cooking it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Well, probably not.
SPEAKER_01I but still when did cooking food become a I don't know.
SPEAKER_03The um Aaron's studying um World Civil One, so we'll ask him when the Mesopotamians or Adam and Eve or whatever secular history tells us when when did somebody take down an animal and be like, you know what?
SPEAKER_01Let's start a fire. I'm tired of eating cold meat.
SPEAKER_03Let's cook it. And then the smokers were they started smoking meat. If Jeff Houston had been around at that time, he would have been smoking meat. Jeff, shout out to your brother. Um so oh me. We are uh man, a couple of things before we jump in this morning. We want to talk uh real quick about our Saturday service coming up. We are really excited. Um that's gonna start on September the 12th at 4 p.m. And so um we've had a lot of positive feedback from that so far. So I'm anxious to see how it plays out. And uh a lot of people saying that they were gonna come on Saturdays, maybe serve on Sundays. Um I actually had somebody last night tell me that they were wanted to come to church on Saturday, but they didn't think they could not come to church on Sunday because of the guilt that they would not be in church on Sunday. And I said whatever float you're gonna say. Well, I said, if you want to come twice, I said, okay. And so we were we were just laughing about it. But um it'll be something for people to get through.
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, whenever whenever the norm is is challenged, uh it becomes it becomes a little harder, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and after a while it'll become better. Yeah, I think we're gonna evaluate it after a few months and take a look at it and see how it's doing and what changes need to be made. But other than that, I'm really excited to be able to do that. And um, so the next week on September 19th, we have the um medical trailer from Hasten International is going to be down at Bayborough Baptist Church in Bayborough. And that will go from 9 a.m. in the morning until 2 p.m. And if you're Broad Creek or if you happen to be from Bayborough um Baptist, we are looking for volunteers to help out, um uh move people from here to there and uh be able to just point directions and love on people when they come and maybe tell them about Jesus when they're there. And that's kind of the goal of it, not only to heal their bodies and their helping with their teeth. We will have a dentist and a dental hygienist um there, but um to to heal to heal other things as well, and what Jesus does well. And so um, we want to be able to be a part of that. We're excited. So think about coming to that, volunteering, and maybe you need medical attention, maybe you need maybe you're afraid to go to a doctor or you don't have the money. That is for you. Then show up and and we'll help you as well. And so uh we're excited about that.
SPEAKER_01Uh anything else that's coming up on the comments? I was just trying to find some numbers here because uh we if you're on Facebook and you follow us or you're in the area, you you probably um saw the ad that we did for the Saturday service. For the Saturday service, um, which had just the catchy um thing of not a morning person. Yeah, that was good. That was really good. So I was just gonna uh give give a little bit of numbers, like just so you know that we're we're not just like doing this service and hope people show up. Uh it says, and I don't know what the difference between reaches and impressions.
SPEAKER_03Um I think it's time. I think reaches which one's higher?
SPEAKER_01Uh the impressions.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so the impressions are uh like it's passed in the real list, but uh uh uh reach is the other one.
SPEAKER_01Reach is the other one.
SPEAKER_03I think a reach is one where they stopped and looked at it for a certain amount of time.
SPEAKER_01So the reach was 2,240 people. Wow. And then the impressions was three thousand nine hundred and ninety-one.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01So I'm hoping if we have that many people or two people show up at least. Yeah. Out of that number, it should be at least two. Right. But but no, it it you know, that this whole this whole idea of a Saturday service, yeah. I mean, it's uh and when we say we'll evaluate, um, I've had a couple people say, so you're just gonna like if it's not going well, you're just gonna shut it down. And that's not what that means necessarily, just means that what can we be doing different? Is this meeting the need that we have? Um, is this in line with who we are as a church, that type of stuff. So just set your minds at ease. Come, it will be fun. Yeah, uh, invite your invite your neighbors. Um, I always I've told a couple people invite that person that you know, like always tells you no on a Sunday morning. That's right. Um, maybe a Saturday will be different.
SPEAKER_03Off room off roll supper afterwards, right? Right.
SPEAKER_01Offer take them. I saw that too. I saw a couple of uh people in our church share it and say, hey, um come on out and then let's go have dinner afterwards.
SPEAKER_03So I think that's awesome. I think that I think that'll be hopefully that'll be one of the best draws of it is people will be able to invite friends and neighbors and take them out to supper.
SPEAKER_01Which is why we strategically placed it at four o'clock.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we felt five was just a little too late for that, so we put it at four so people could get to see it.
SPEAKER_01Because if you want to go to if you want to like me, I'm a I'm a Morgan's fan. Morgan's is my favorite. Um it's sometimes a wait.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, on a Saturday sometimes. So if you get out of here at five, five, five ten, you get over there by five twenty. Yep, you might might be six thirty. Yeah, might be better than six thirty crack. That's right. That's right. So uh yeah, that's what we're that's what we're hoping for. We're hoping to make it more um accessible to people and their lifestyles. Right. Um, so um I and I think the Lord, I don't know, the Lord is really it's really been positive. There's been so much positive that I can't even really keep up with it. There's just positive impacts that we've seen with it and people saying, hey, my I've invited my neighbors, there's no excuses now. So we'll see.
SPEAKER_01And I've not heard any negative. The only the only thing I've that's close to negative is not negative, but it was just uh just a a question of you know, yeah, why Saturday? Why not another day? Um, type of thing. So um, but you know, we we've got soccer going on, we've got football coming up in January, and so I mean, when you look at our calendar, we're really I mean, we're really limited as to days.
SPEAKER_03And for staff, it really becomes okay, if we're here for football and soccer on a Saturday anyway, then yeah, I I would personally I would rather be here when other things are going on that day than have to do it on another day that I might have the whole day off. Right, you know, and um because I really want and we don't get it, nobody on the staff gets it, but um, I really want us to have two days off a week for staff, but we don't we never get it. Right. Um, it's just not possible. No. So um one day off, if we can get that for staff, we we desperately want it. And um and so hopefully this is a good thing.
SPEAKER_01Well, then that that was another question I had is you know, you know, Dan, when are you know when are the staff supposed to go and enjoy a Saturday away?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh and you know, my my response to that is we have I got a call coming. Oh, it's my daughter. Um, we can take time off.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. We can take time off during the week.
SPEAKER_01Right. And we can take a time off during the week, and we have vacation days where if if you know, I'm gonna preach for you on on one of the days in October on that Saturday. Yep, that's right. Uh so you can go do something else. Like we can do that. Yeah, we're not yeah, we're not completely controlled to the uh to the church like that. So um so we'll be fine.
SPEAKER_03I live here. Uh my my bunk is over here in the corner, and Dan has a bunk. No, I'm just kidding. We can't stay in the building. The the the security alarm wouldn't allow us to.
SPEAKER_01So I do got a couple chairs that you can lay way back, and they're really comfortable. So that green chair right there is really comfy if you sit in it. If you can, yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, no, that's not us. Um, we are we are going to uh we're really excited, so just keep that in prayer, and uh, we're very excited about that. Um today we wanted to have a conversation about baptism and um the concept of baptism and the uh obedience to scripture um that baptism is, um, those types of things. And there is a humongous history of baptism in the church. And Dan and I would both geek out over it and probably have this discussion for three hours. We're going to, instead of geeking out over the history necessarily of baptism, which we will talk about the history um and why it's changed through the years and the differences that we see throughout history, um, we also just want to really come across uh right here in the beginning, and it's gonna be one of the last things you hear us say baptism, being baptized, um, we feel by immersion is obedience to scripture. Amen. And if if we're not being obedient to scripture, then we are, of course, wrong. And so that's kind of where we're gonna, that's our big push here today, is that yes, you need to be baptized. Um, it is a command of scripture, along with repenting of your sins and confessing the name of Christ before man and belief and hear, you know, all those things, it is a command. So that's that's where we want to push it. And um, and of course, some people may hear this and say, Oh, well, we need a deeper conversation this way or that way. And that's fine. We may get into that today, but honestly, uh in the base matter, if you have, if you come to me and say, you know, I I want to be a Christian, what does that mean? Well, you're gonna confess the name of Christ, repent of your sins, and we're gonna baptize you by immersion. And uh, and that's that's that's what the biblical command is. So that's where we're gonna stand on it. But we are going to go into the history of it and uh talk about where it comes from and do some of the skinny on the dip.
SPEAKER_01The skinny on the dip.
SPEAKER_03You were way you didn't even tell me you were gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01I didn't. That is I had a friend, I got a friend, Jim, who uh who's a pastor, and that he did a baptism series, and that's what he called it, the skinny on the dip. That's fantastic. Yeah, all right.
SPEAKER_03I I that's good stuff. I'll allow it. That's um that's good. The skinny on the dip. Shout out to Jim Kilson. I love it. All right, so baptism. Um when we look at the Just do it, amen. Yeah, there you go. And that's it. That really, that really should be our podcast. I mean, I'm sitting here going, we're gonna talk about this for 20, 30, 40 minutes, but really that is the demand.
SPEAKER_01But we've had a lot of a lot of um in the last three weeks, yeah, we've had uh two baptisms and then another person that's had been asking um, you know, about being ready, and and you know, I was I was baptized as a baby, I was, you know, and like so we figured this is a I mean it's yeah, although it's not the traditional fan mail, right? Um, but but this this is fan mail. It's it's something that um, but you know, just like we, you know, we we look at we look at um uh we should be on a daily basis, and we I've said this a lot on the on this podcast, we should be looking at our life on a regular, saying, uh, at least to ourselves and and challenging ourselves, am I being and living the way God desires for me to be and live? Um and so um and so some people have been asking that, like you know, you know, I I've I I hear about baptism because we don't shy away from it. Yeah. Um, and uh I I think I was baptized or I or I was as a baby, or you know, I mean we get all kinds of we do. I don't remember mine, yeah, you know, that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_03And so uh that's and that's you know, we I we do we we will re-baptize someone if they're having conscious issues or or don't think they did it for the right reasons. Right. I mean that there's I would rather somebody be able to lay their head on their pillow at night um than um than worry. Um I remember I had a girl at camp and I tell the story often that she came and wanted to be baptized at the end of the camp, and and I told her, Oh yeah, man, really happy. That's awesome, you know. And she was from a children's home that we sponsored in the area. And uh so I realized that, but I knew the guy who headed it. I thought, well, I'll call him and and talk to him about it, and that's no problem. So while I was in the process of going to find his number, another kid from that home came up and said, Well, I guess she's gonna get baptized for like the fourth year in a row. And I said, What? And she said, Well, she comes, she lives like she wants to all year and does whatever she wants to, and then she comes and gets baptized. Gets convicted and gets baptized. I was like, Yeah, I don't think we're gonna do that. So I told her no. Yeah, and um, I called the head of the home expecting to get blown out, and he said, Thank you for not baptizing her without telling me thank you for not baptizing her without talking to me. Right. He said, I'll handle it when she gets home. And I'm not saying that that I just think she needed to be taught a little better, yeah, yeah, and uh and she needed better teaching. So we're gonna try to do that today. And I I agree with Dan. I I I would like to say, man, just be baptized. And uh, but um I agree. The questions are there. We have people who've been infant baptized, we we have people who come from Catholic baptism, um, or even sometimes I know Dan's had experiences with with people baptized in the Mormon church. Yep. And so um, you know, we we want to make sure that we're accurate. So where do we start? Do we start in Matthew 28? Um or where do you want to start?
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, I'm that that's that's as good a place as any. Um I mean we we've already talked about uh if you go to church here, we we've been going through Luke and um I think we we hit Jesus' baptism, didn't we? Yeah. Um, you know, which is not a I mean he he doesn't have to be, but he does.
SPEAKER_03Right. He's he's perfect. He doesn't have to have a big thing.
SPEAKER_01And according to Matthew's Matthew's account, uh I believe it's Matthew's account where he says this must be done to fulfill our righteousness. That's right. And then John consented. Um so yeah, I mean, Jesus was baptized, but I think we get a really clear picture in the Great Commission. Yeah, because this Great Commission is not a suggestion.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01This is, and and we you've heard us say this before. If you ask us what is God's will for my life, I'm gonna point you to Matthew 28, 18 through 20 and say, There's your there's there's your purpose, there's your mission. Now, how how you do that is is based on your giftings, but that's it. Uh and in the command there from Jesus and I don't and again, uh why we argue about should we, should we oh my gosh, the command from Jesus is to make disciples and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yeah, teaching them to obey everything that I have taught you. There it is. That's the command. Command, say it with me. Command from Jesus.
SPEAKER_03It's right there. I mean, and I always I it blows my mind that that that um and I'm not making fun of anybody because I get it. I I mean I really do get it, that you know, we we're taught things or we see things or we absorb things, and yet the teaching, as Dan just said, go therefore, make disciples is the imperative. How do you do that? Baptize them, teach them, um, you know, and and go. Yeah. And and but that's the command. And and part of the part of that command that is to be obeyed is baptized as baptism. So yeah, I I think that's a great, I think that's a good start.
SPEAKER_01And so, and so what you get is you get that command, and then you you get into the book of Acts. Um, and and the book of Acts is is is is the the account of the early church after the after the uh uh ascension uh by Jesus. Jesus gives them the Acts 1.8 tells them that you know you start in New Jerusalem, you go to Judea and Samaria and to the other utter ends of the earth by the power of the Spirit with this message, right? Uh they received the Holy Spirit um uh finally uh as the indwelling gift at the day of Pentecost. Didn't have to have that indwelling gift, by the way, before because who was there? Jesus was there, okay? Jesus is now ascended. The gift of the Spirit comes down. They speak in the languages of all the people that are present. Everybody heard the gospel in their own language. Um Peter preaches this sermon, and we get to Acts 237, and it says, uh, and they were cut to the heart, and they ask, What must we do? Yep. And Peter says in 238, repent and be baptized, every one of you for the forgiveness of your sins as promises for you and your children. And then what happens? 3,000 people were added to the numbers. That's right. Okay. Yep. And so we we get we get into the nitty-gritty of the early church in Acts 2, um, 42 through 47. They met together daily, um, they broke bread together, um, they they uh agreed with one another on the apostles' teachings, right? Which was which was incredibly important, which was important, which was incredibly important because part of the apostles' teachings was Jesus said to go make what disciples, baptizing them. Okay. And then you get time after time throughout the you know, Cornelius and his family, you get you get Paul, uh Paul, who was a a good Jew, who uh uh uh Ananias, uh is Ananias. Yeah, Ananias, he's has a vision and in I mean, even to the point where Jesus uh in the vision, he's told go to straight street, so even naming the streets. Um and he goes and he and scales fall off. And what does Paul do immediately? He he says he's baptized immediately. Um and so like you see all this taking place in the in the first century church. So that's that's from 1 A.D. to 99 A.D., right? That's the first century. Second century, 100, right? So in that first century church, our goal as believers in the modern sense is to be as close to that first century church as we possibly can. That's right. Why? Because that's as close to Jesus as as the church has ever been, as far as their timeline, okay. Um and so when you look at how they did things in that first century church, um baptism, the mode of baptism, the mode was always done by immersion. That's right. Always, always always. And I've had people argue, oh no, it can be no the the word baptism, baptize, in the Greek literally means to fully immerse underwater. And so when you think about you know how the early church did things, and and you know, we have words like you know, uh Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch, where it says, I think it's Acts 8, where where he goes and says, Hey, look, the Ethiopian eunuch says, Look, there's water, what's preventing me from being baptized? And Philip go, they go down into the water and they come up out of the water. That's right. That language um indicates there was an immersion in that water. Right. But you watch the Jesus film, remember the Jesus film from back in the day, and what are they doing? They're speckling down.
SPEAKER_03They're kneeling down, kneeling water, and then he's picking up water and sprinkling on yeah, and you're like, come on, guys. That's just yeah, grab him and throw him under.
SPEAKER_01When Jesus came up out of the water, what happened? A voice from heaven, yeah, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity in one area, you know, in one one scene. That's right. Um, you know, and so so we we look at this historical uh idea of baptism, and uh, and again, I'm I'm really trying to just hit some highlights so that I I'm setting up this this scene because we don't see we don't see sprinkling. I think we we were talking about this earlier.
SPEAKER_03We don't really I mean uh the the thing that I have in front of me basically says excuse me that immersion was the standard standard for the first twelve hundred years of the church. Yes. And so now we know it wasn't the Only way because um we know that Augustine comes along um and formalizes the doctrine of original sin in the fourth and fifth centuries, um making infant baptism a theological necessity. So um yeah, so and we we're stepping a little bit ahead here, yeah. But what we're getting is this idea that Augustine comes along and says, Well, the baby is born with sin, and therefore they need to be baptized to cleanse them of the inherited sin. Right. And so therefore, we're not gonna go dunking babies. So let's move over into a different mode of baptism, which which they chose at that time, what we would call the Greek word is rentitsu, it's sprankling. Sprinkling. And uh, and they would move over to um to sprinkle or it's paid baptism, but um uh into sprinkling.
SPEAKER_01So and it was actually based off of an old testament cleansing ritual as well. It was um but that right here in my notes I have it was not regularly practiced until the thirteenth century. It was practiced, but it wasn't a regular part. The standard during the Middle Ages, yeah, the standard during the first century church, the standard in the church in general was to be fully immersed. That's right.
SPEAKER_03Yep. And then it was what, 1311, we read it earlier, the council of Ravenna formally legislates that pouring was equal to immersion. And and so now we get this concept of okay, pouring sprinkling, you know, can also be used because this one council said it could. And this is a minor council. As a matter of fact, it's the first time I've ever heard of this council. Um, I didn't even know that there was a council in 1311. But anyway, so yeah, we um we get it that Pope Pope Stephen in 753 in the Catholic Church said that um pouring was acceptable in medical emergencies or cases of extreme necessity. And then in 1311, 600 years later, they said, Well, you can just pour anyway. You can just do it, yeah. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that's kind of where we we start seeing the the the implementation of sprinkling as as a significant and and really the only mode if you want to.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Uh, you know, because there's three modes of baptism there's immersion, there's sprinkling, and there's pouring. Right. Um, and so uh, but all three different Greek words. All three different Greek words, so they don't they don't mean the same. The only one that it works for immersion is is uh is the baptism. That's right, baptizo. That's the only word depending on the tense. Depending on the tense, yeah, and so that's the only one that that we see in scripture.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um we do see some ritual stuff in the Septuagint in the Old Testament that would be the rititsu and stuff like that, but can as as a as a part of your um entering into relationship or being commanded, uh immersion was what was commanded. That's right. And so um, so that's just a that I mean again, guys, there is so much history stuff that we can do, what different church fathers taught and believed because it all differs, right uh differs from one another. Um it it all is uh I mean, uh there's this uh uh uh uh acknowledgement of disp uh being disproved of the sprinkling uh by uh tur turtle I can't even pronounce I want to I call him Mr. Turtle, uh Turtlean, uh Turtlean. He was an old church father um who who disapproved of infant baptism. Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that was in the 200 200s, I think. Yeah. Um and so he disapproved of infant baptism, uh uh or origin, uh Oregon, uh it's origin. Yeah. Uh he he claimed uh that that there was a um a believer's baptism, I believe it was uh claimed the to be the apostolic. So he he followed the apostolic version of it.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Um and so if he would have followed the apostolic version of it, it would have been the immersion. Right. Uh and so you have early church fathers who who agreed and disagreed with different things. Um Protestant reformers, uh um, they you know, we talked about this before the show. Um, you know, they they were big on Augustine. Yep. And so uh Augustine was okay with sprinkling babies. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And so original sin, which the Reformation was really big in.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. Yeah. Um, and then the Anabaptists opposed that. Um they they said, no, we're not born uh with sin. We're born, we're born, we're born destined to sin. Yes, um, but yet we're not born with that sin. And so uh the Anabaptists really looked at it as said, you know, why are we baptizing and sprinkling babies?
SPEAKER_03And if you go to Romans 5, I think there's a great, and this is for probably a different study, but Romans 5 talks about how the first Adam brings sin into the world and how the second Adam dispels that sin. So the second Adam takes away and look, I I've been in conversations with people before and and say I don't believe in original sin. And they would say, Well, you have to believe in original sin at least up until Jesus. Uh okay. Sure. I I yeah, I'll do that. And so, but when Jesus comes, he changes it. Romans 5 is pretty clear on that, that that Jesus um erases the consequences of generational inherited sin. So therefore, we're each responsible for our own sin.
SPEAKER_01Which which is the whole uh one of the whole meanings of Jesus fulfilling uh the requirements of the law. That's exactly right. Uh, because in the Old Testament you do see, you'd see generational curses, you see um, you see the the sins of the father affecting the family and you know the the grandfather and the great grandfather, all those things. Um, but Jesus comes and he fulfills the requirements of the law.
SPEAKER_02That's right.
SPEAKER_01And so and part of that requirement of the law is is the uh is the generational type stuff. Now you yourself are responsible for your own responsible for your own. That's right. Yeah, and that's the that's the way I interpret that as well.
SPEAKER_03So I I I I that's that's pretty clear for me. And I understand that that's problematic for some because we we did talk you mentioned the reformers, and of course, Calvin um the instituted the idea that is even prominent today in Calvinism, which is uh you were talking about um what is it, the Old Testament covenant covenant covenant theology, yeah, covenant theology, that it comes through from circumcision in the old testament and now um you know infant baptism is the new circumcision. Right. So we get you know, and they they kind of combine those and they'll cite Colossians 2 passages like that.
SPEAKER_01I mean the New Testament tells us that circumcision is now replaced by baptism essentially.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That you know, that baptism is the circumcision of the heart.
SPEAKER_03Right. And so they say, well, babies were circumcised as a covenant promise, so therefore baptism should take place around. And and that's not to me what the New Testament says. I I believe that baptism is different because we get the idea of a believer's baptism. Right. Um, he who believes and is baptized, we hear that, and we, you know, what should we do in Acts 2? We you should, you know, repent of your sins, you should you should be baptized. So those kind of things that we get and we're running on here, and I think Dan's doing a really good job of explaining what you what you have to understand is that anytime this is what I was explaining to Dan earlier, it drives me crazy sometimes. If I want to believe something um to be true, then if I want scripture to support it, I have to find a way to express it so that so that I can fit scripture into that idea wholly. Because let Calvin with original sin dating back to Augustine, uh, you know, Calvin had to build this in a sense to say, okay, well, you know, this makes sense. So therefore, infant baptism. So they would make the argument, well, Cornelius' household in Acts 10 was was um baptized into Christ. And statistically speaking, there was probably a baby in there, which is a really bad argument from scripture. Yes, but I have heard that argument being made. And so there's there's things that we have to be really careful of to make sure that we're not isegeting scripture, reading into scripture what isn't there to support ideas that we came up with. But when you look at the history of baptism, that's I think that's what we see. Yeah. Um, people justifying their own thoughts with scripture.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we talked about a a little bit ago before we started that the fourth and fifth centuries. Uh in in I I was just I kind of came across this in my um prep prep for this uh this topic. In the fourth, fifth centuries, uh often included uh with with baptism included exorcisms and uh uh uh oil anointings and and threefold immersion in the trinities. I mean, so like there was there was like to be baptized three times in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Uh, and then which I believe in the uh Trinitarian baptism anyway, yeah, in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Absolutely. Um, but uh but we don't we don't do exorcisms in in today's culture and there's no scripture for baptism.
SPEAKER_03Right. There's and there's nothing in the New Testament that tells us that exorcism.
SPEAKER_01So so we you're what you were just saying a minute ago is like we we like to find um different things to to fill in those gaps to to make it to where what what we believe is is right. Right. Uh and we can we bring a lot of conjecture to scripture. Um Cornelius in his household, there had to be an infant. My goodness, just stop it. You don't know that. So we can't we can't we can't form doctrine, in my opinion. We can't afford we can't form doctrine off of conjecture. Right. Absolutely not. We we form doctrine off of context.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01And and so we we've got to be able to do that properly. Yeah. And so, which is why, you know, like I I don't know any, um maybe the Catholic Church does, but I don't know any church that performs exorcisms before you're baptized.
SPEAKER_03I just don't see how that would even work. Right.
SPEAKER_01I mean, even though that even though that was incorporated in the fourth and fifth centuries. So do we go back and say, well, you know, that's why that's why we're kind of doing a brief overview of history, because man, you can you can make a lot out of because not everybody got it right.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01No. And so what what do you do with all that information?
SPEAKER_03Right. I think I think you have to go back. I I think you have to I look when you get when I when I coached basketball, one of the one of the best joys of coaching basketball was that I got to um teach kids how to shoot. And shooting is something that I really loved because my goal wasn't to get everybody to shoot the same way. My goal was to take a person's shot and mold it into something that could be used. And so I would watch a kid shoot, and then what you start doing is you start tracing it back. Okay, where are his feet? Where are her hips? Where where is her where's her shoulder squared to? Is her elbow in place? Is she shooting with her middle finger or her index finger? Because a lot of people think you shoot with your middle finger, allows the elbow to go out, you shoot with your index. So there was there was a lot of it that I was going through, but you have to go back to basics. And um, I always remember John Wooden. John Wooden, all those years winning 10 national championships or whatever he won in a row. And his first practice every year, he started with sitting every guy down on the basketball court, taking off their shoes and socks and saying, This is how you properly put on a pair of socks. Yeah, could you get more basic fundamentals? And that's that's what we have to do with scripture because we've been taught, and many people have we get a lot of wonderful people from different backgrounds and Catholicism and different things, and we we show them scripture and we say, This is what scripture says, and we don't we don't have to jump through loopholes, we just say, Look, this is what scripture says, and they go, Wow, I've never I've never seen it because I'm a very simple person when it comes to it. I want scripture to be as simple as possible, right? And it's not always possible. We have the book of Revelation, we have the book of Daniel, yeah, Ezekiel. I mean, we have books in there that are really hard. But for the most part, if we just take the Bible at at face value, right, we we can we can find truth. We don't have to jump through hurdles.
SPEAKER_01Now, now 100% I I agree because I I think you know the Bible has to be the standard of our of our truth, right? It's gotta be it's gotta be the fallback when we don't understand something or somebody says something and you're going, hmm, you don't go to another person in their writings to you go back to the Bible. That's right. Um so you know, I we used to have an uh a saying at well, it's still a saying in in the church today, and I I don't ascribe to this at all. Um, but you know, the this whole idea of solo sola scriptura being that you it's only the Bible creeds and confessions and all those things are not important. That's not what sola scriptura means. Solo scriptura means that the scripture is the standard. That's right. And then you have these other things that we have, like the the the creeds, which are beautiful. Yeah. Um all these things that we have that help help us. The liturgy liturgies are beautiful. I I do liturgy um uh devotional every morning. Yep. Um beautiful. Uh, but when we have questions of content and context and meaning, we go straight back to the word of God. Right.
SPEAKER_03We don't need to go to someone who look, our ultimate goal is to teach people how to read the Bible and interpret it for themselves and give them every single tool as far as a concordance or a or even a commentary, which even commentaries can be slanted. Yes. Um, many are. But you we want you to be able to interpret scripture for yourself because scripture and is the best interpreter of itself. Right. And if we can teach you how to read scripture in such a way that you that you like the chain reference Bibles, if you can chain scripture together and gain understanding from that, yeah, that's that's the way we want it. We don't we love to answer questions, but at the same time, Dan and I are fallible. We we can make mistakes, and and I feel like I often do, but it we really have to get to the place where we're able to teach people how to read the Bible for themselves, and then we find agreement in in the truth of scripture. And and that's that's the goal. And so when we talk about baptism, I I don't, you know, yeah, I could go back and read Calvin, but then I'd have to go back and read Augustine. Yep, and I don't agree with either one of them when it comes to this. And so I want to go back to the book of Acts. I want to go back to Jesus and and see, and even into the Jewish idea of baptism and what ritual cleansing was, because of course John we think came out of the S community. Yep.
SPEAKER_01And what's his baptism of baptism of repentance?
SPEAKER_03An immersion of repentance. Right, right. And so yeah, I I want to go back to for the Bible to tell me, I don't want, I don't want there to have to be someone else to tell me. And that's what we're saying here today, guys. Go, let's go back, let's go back to the foundations and the fundamentals.
SPEAKER_01But in order to do that, we have to, we have to cognitively separate our minds from church tradition and the way we were raised. And I know this is gonna hurt, even what granddaddy or grandmama told you. Yep. Okay, and we have to we have to separate our mind from that kind of stuff into what does the Bible actually say? Right.
SPEAKER_03And that's and that's hard. And it is hard because for us, yeah, yeah. I mean, because we come across stuff sometimes in the Bible that we do not like, right? And we struggle with it.
SPEAKER_01I was scared to death to talk to my grandfather because my grandfather, and we you and I talked about this before, and I think I've maybe mentioned it before, but he was died in the wool. It's at baptism that you have salvation, period.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01And so when I became a Christian, that was what he told me over and over and over and over and over. And he would show me scripture and say, see, right here, baptism, baptism, baptism. Yeah, I was scared to death to approach him when after I had actually separated what he was teaching me, which I valued and I still value and remember today.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, he's the reason I'm I'm a believer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so um I had to, I had after studying for myself, I had to come to the realization that I don't I don't believe baptism is the is the place of your salvation. Right. Um I I I believe God's grace is bigger than that. And so for me to go back to him and say, Grandpa, um, this is what I've discovered through through God's word, not through our our our restoration movement history or that's right, you know, what Campbell said and what uh Bart Barton W. Stone said or anything. Yeah, but this is what I've come through with scripture. Yeah. I mean, that was that was difficult. So it is hard to separate yourself.
SPEAKER_03It is. And I'm and I'm kind of in the same camp because I was taught you know vehemently that baptism was the the place of salvation. And as I've gotten older and read the scriptures more, I I I probably lean closer to it than uh I'm sure you do, right? But it's it's still, I can't say that that is the only place where God can possibly save a human being. I I just can't. And so if you break that into, you know, can can God save someone who's um on their deathbed. I mean, my uncle Leonard, you know, we we we we sprinkled him or uh sprinkled water over him on his deathbed, you know, for baptism. I mean, if if I believed that, I never would have consented to that. Right. And so there's there's just the you know, babies not being born. Um and I know all the arguments, yeah. And I know and you I told Dan before this, I said if I say this in the podcast, people are probably gonna come after me. But at the same time, if you ask me, is baptism a part of salvation? Absolutely, it's a part of the process that we go through because that's what scripture says.
SPEAKER_01And I would 100% agree with that.
SPEAKER_03Right, and that and that's where I stand with it. And so if if when I'm baptizing someone, when I say dead to sin, buried in Christ, risen to new life, do I do I believe that's where it happens? I don't know anymore. I I want to believe it's there, but I also want to believe it's in the heart matter of a person when they turn their lives over to Christ and say, you know, he is my I accept him as my own.
SPEAKER_01That if something were to prevent that moment of baptism, that they would still be over.
SPEAKER_03That's always the argument. What if they die on the way to the baptistry? Well, we believe in the grace of God. Well, then you can't say that that's the only week of baptism. And so that that's kind of where I am with it. I'm I want people to be obedient. That means do let's let's walk through it. Right. And and I I can't say that that that that is it. Right. I I but I but I do believe with all my heart.
SPEAKER_01It is absolutely um uh I'm gonna go with the word uh I'm gonna I'm just gonna go with with the word essential. Well, and that's what I was gonna say. Not not essential in order to be saved, right, but essential in your relationship with Jesus.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And and so I think it's okay to to to know that like when you're baptizing somebody, as long as they've given their heart to because that's the first question we ask them. Yeah. When they come up and say, I want to be baptized, the first thing I say is, Have you ever given your life to Jesus? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But that's not the way it was when we were younger.
SPEAKER_03No, no. When when it was younger, we made the confession. Right. But we weren't asked that question. We were never asked, yeah. I was asked when I came up and I said, I I want to be, I said I want to be baptized. I didn't say I wanted to accept Christ as my savior. And they never, and and not not faulting the preacher at all, but the pro well, I don't know. The um the preacher, the preacher looked at me and said, Well, I'm gonna have you make the good confession. So in the good confession, I did ex I did say Jesus is the Christ of the living God.
SPEAKER_01No, you acknowledged it.
SPEAKER_03But it was never a conversation that I really had with anyone. My dad and I talked about it, my mom and I talked about it. Um, but it was never a conversation that I had from someone about that. And it was, well, let's get you into baptism. But then again, then again, I came forward on a Tuesday night during a revival and wasn't baptized till Sunday. Yeah, you had time to so again, there was time for me to talk to my dad about it and stuff, right? Which I see nothing wrong with that these days. But back then, I I often wondered, I was like, well, if baptism is where I'm saved, and I remember thinking this as a 15-year-old, if I'm supposed to be baptized to be saved, why do I have to wait five days to do it? Right. You know, and that was kind of my feeling. Aren't I in jeopardy?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm like, what if what if something happens? And so You see, I was baptized the very next morning.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and see, I wanted to, and I believe in baptizing people when they but when they accept Christ as Savior, but um, yeah, I mean, I I struggle with that for a long time. I was like, well, why was it so acceptable? Right because it was homecoming and they wanted to wait. And and I I get it, I know the arguments, and people, you know, if people want to come.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I had a kid one time at camp that accepted Christ and wanted to be baptized. Well his parents wanted him to wait to get home and do it in their home church because it's like a Monday. And and he was so adamant about not waiting. And uh, and so was the director, uh, the other director that was director directing with me. And and I said, I said, Well, what are we what are we freaking out about?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01And well, my co-director was thought, well, if he were to die on his way home, what happens? And I'm like, Man, are we really having this conversation? Is he against baptism or was he submitting to baptism?
SPEAKER_03Oh, he was submitting to I mean and and I when does when does I mean I always the only time I ever did it at camp where I baptized a kid was because we called the parents and the parents said no. Right. And the parents and I said, Well Well, when we send him home, will you will you you know have him in church and baptize? No.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And I said, He's I think he was 14 years old, 15 years old, and that kid was sitting there crying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And he was like, and we he told us before I called his mom and dad, because I invited his mom and dad to come down to camp. We can baptize him right there. And they were like, no, we don't. And it ended up, I guess they just sent him to camp to get rid of him for a week. And man, Christmas. I had no idea that he was Christ, Christ like headbutted that dude in the middle of the week. And um, and so I I told him, I said, you know, I got off the phone and I was like, man, I was like, I'm sorry. I said, they told me I can't baptize you, and they're not going to uh they're not going to baptize you at home. And he went to bed crying that night. And I went to um one of the one of my counselors, I think I was head that week, and I went to one of my counselors and I said, uh, it was like three o'clock in the morning. And we went and woke him up and took him in the river and baptized him. Yeah, I and I and I I do not regret that one bit. I never heard anything from his parents afterwards, but I could not live with myself knowing that I had an opportunity to do that and that God had placed it on my heart. I could not sleep.
SPEAKER_01I've gone against parents' wishes uh a few times uh with that, with kids who I knew really had a desire to be in obedience with that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, and so you know, all that all that to say, you know, when when you were talking about, you know, uh when it happens, it's not for us to know when, no, it's for us to just do the and stick with what Jesus told us to do. Yeah. So when we're when we're baptizing people, and you know, I I do the same thing. I, you know, I based upon your confession, I now baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, to be buried with him and to rise in newness of life. Uh because that's that's what scripture teaches. Yeah. And I still believe that's the you know, baptism is a symbolizing of the washing away of sins. That's the picture of Romans 6. Yeah, and so it's Romans 6. And so I have no problems with that. I whether I I believe that's the point when they're when they're going to be saved and the Holy Spirit comes on them, or I believe it's gonna be when they call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I you know, that's up to God.
SPEAKER_03Right. And and that's where I am. I I I don't believe I have the authority um to say it the exact point where someone becomes saved. And I'm sure if Jack Cottrell was alive, Jack Cottrell would come and hit me with a stick. But that's okay.
SPEAKER_01Jack doesn't know the heart of the poop people either. Right.
SPEAKER_03And so, and my my thing is is that I don't remember the last time ever that I and I've baptized a lot of people. I've been I've had the blessing to be baptized a lot of people myself and oversee baptisms of many people. Um, I don't remember any time looking at them and saying, Do you know that you're not saved until you go in that water? Even back in the day, I don't remember that. And so my thing is the Bible says to hear the word, believe the word, repent of your sins, confess the name of Christ, be baptized, and live the Christian life.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03That's what I want to do. Yep, and that's what we teach, and that's what we teach, and that's where we stand. And so if you're listening to this today and you're a part of Broad Creek, um, first off, we love you. I mean, I I don't know where you stand and and where you where you're at, but man, we love you. Um But if you've if you've not gone through, if you've heard the word and believe, and if you've not ever really given your life to Christ, surrendered, because we you give your life and surrender to Christ. You don't surrender to a religion, you don't surrender to a church, you don't surrender to me or Dan or anybody.
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SPEAKER_03You surrender only to Christ. You come in contact with the with the living, the living Lord and Savior. Uh-huh. If you surrender to Him and ask Him to be your Lord and Savior, and then we're we're going to let you confess your sins. You repent of those sins. I mean, not confess your sins, we're going to repent of your sins. We're going to confess the name of Christ before people. And we want to immerse you into Christian baptism. And then we're going to walk with you in discipleship, which I think a lot of churches sell short. And um, I think a lot of churches depend on baptism so much that they just it's almost like they sprawl out after bat, hey, just come to church and be osmosised into the Christian faith. No, that's not how it works. We want to walk with you, we want to mentor you until we make a disciple of you, of which can make disciples. Right. And um, and and if you're at Broad Creek, that's man, that that's our greatest desire is to see that in you. Um that's all that's all we want for you because we know that's being obedient to scripture. Yep. And that's what we want.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and and I'm gonna add to that, I want to challenge you that if you yourself, you know, um, yeah, you've been baptized, you were baptized as a baby, uh, you were sprinkled as a as a child, uh, you were sprinkled as an adult. I I don't if you have the ability to be immersed, you should be immersed.
SPEAKER_03You should be, because that's biblical obedience.
SPEAKER_01And we we believe scripture plainly teaches a baptism uh of a believer, one who is able to repent, one who is able to place their hope and faith in Jesus, one who is able to confess the name of Jesus Christ, absolutely, and then they should be immersed into Christ. Absolutely. Um if you've not done that, I challenge you to do it.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I I may not even qu and I won't, I won't even question your your your salvation at all. Oh no. I I've met a lot of people who just didn't know. Yeah. And but they've lived a life of of obedience to Christ. Yeah. Um, but then like they're well, wait a minute. How come you teach baptism this way? That's not the way I was raised. Right. We have to let go of tradition.
SPEAKER_03That's right. And and there's look, guys, and I I know I'm gonna make a phrase. I've already I've already said some things that probably get me in trouble with some people. So I'm gonna say this I think there's grace and ignorance. I think that God has allowed you to be here to learn at this point in life, whether it's been 10, 20, 30 years, that the truth is what we've been speaking. And maybe you come from a different background, maybe you come from a Catholic background, or maybe you come from an idea that, you know, when you were 15, your your mom made you um get baptized. And maybe it's something that that you are that you have long, you know, laid in bed at night and thought, maybe I should, maybe I should change this, or maybe I should go back and find out more, maybe I should know more. Right. There's no we I can't double dare the challenge that Dan gave you. But man, if I could if I could twist. I can't. I double dare you. I I can't double dog dare you. I stick my tongue up against a pole. Um but no, I mean, if I could if I could twist your arm and make you do it, that would be one thing. But I we can't, we're not it's not our choice for you. Right. It's your choice for you.
SPEAKER_01And and the popular saying, and we hear it all the time, is it's an outward expression of an inward faith. There's a better saying. Yeah, it's obedience to the word of God.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01If you leave it open to just an outward expression of an inward faith, you leave it open to as something that is just simply um something you can do. It's optional.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it's not a person.
SPEAKER_01Baptism is not optional. No, it's not.
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SPEAKER_01Okay, it is not optional. So therefore, be obedient to the word of God and to what Jesus actually commands us to do from his own lips and be baptized into his death, burial, and resurrection.
SPEAKER_03Amen.
SPEAKER_01That's where you're and that's my friends, the skinny on the dip.
SPEAKER_03I I hope that our conversation today has spurned the the the idea that it is important. Um and all of this is important, guys. I mean, this is why we do what we do. We don't do it for numbers. I mean, we're I I if you ask me how many people we've baptized this year, I honest to God, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I have no idea.
SPEAKER_03I I know I've signed baptismal certificates, Dan side baptism. I mean, I know we've done those.
SPEAKER_01We've done we've done quite a few.
SPEAKER_03I don't know how many we did last year. And and you may say, Well, you're crazy, you don't keep numbers. The reason I guess I don't know is because I never want it to be about I never want to measure our success as a church over the numbers of people. Yeah. I think if we're counting numbers, I would rather count the number of disciples making disciples. I think that's a cool number to count. And um, I I think that's that's a better number. So that we'll count that number. And we can probably sit here and come up with that number off the top of our head. But next year, this time, I don't want to be able to count that number either.
SPEAKER_01I want that to be so many that maybe and it's happening without even us knowing it. It is, and and and that would be beautiful. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, um, yeah. Um, so yeah, uh guys, be baptized. Um and uh repent of your sins, confess the name of Christ, be baptized. And uh we would love to be a part of that with you and um um to be immersed in his name.
SPEAKER_01So all right. Anything else on that? Yeah, um just real quick, um, if you come from a different faith background, there are points where um you have to realize that not all baptism is accepted.
SPEAKER_03If that's correct.
SPEAKER_01Um and so um if if you are uh by and large in our in our in our church, and really, I mean, in a lot of Protestant churches, a immersion is the only mode. Right. Okay. Um but by by who matters, right? So not by if whether or not they're a preacher or they're a man or if they're what it it's it's by what kind of church. Yep. Uh we do not accept baptism from uh from the Mormon church, and we don't accept baptism from the Jehovah's Witnesses um because they are not Christianity.
SPEAKER_03No, they're not Christianity.
SPEAKER_01So if yeah, I I baptized a girl in my youth group in Utah who was baptized 55 times because she was baptized for the dead in the Mormon church.
SPEAKER_03Oh my God.
SPEAKER_01Um, and so when she came to me, she's like, I don't know if I need to be baptized because I've been baptized already. I'm like, Well, what are you talking about? And she told me her story. I said, You absolutely need to be baptized again because that's not the right Jesus. No, I mean, it just to put I uh you know me, I just I just I'll speak it. Yeah. Um, and and I do it in love though. Um it it's it's a different, it's a different Jesus. That's and it is, yeah. It's a totally different Jesus. So um be baptized into the to the to the Christ of Scripture, uh, the Holy Bible, the only only book that is our authority. Yep. And uh and and that's that's who you're placing your hope and faith in.
SPEAKER_03And Dan, Dan said it, he he I agree 100% with that. He also said um it doesn't matter the preacher, man, male or female. We don't believe, while we believe that being baptized into the name of Jesus is important, which is why we don't accept Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness baptisms, um, because it is a different Jesus that they worship, um, we do believe that a a woman can baptize uh someone. We do believe that a uh that a male believer can baptize someone. Um the power isn't in the person, the person, the baptizer. Um, the power is in God. And so um we don't we don't put we don't, you know, if you bring if if a woman brings someone to Christ and that person wants that that woman to to baptize them, we do not stand in the way of that. Um we we believe that Christ is at work through that whole thing.
SPEAKER_01Especially if you're parents, like you know, we love for parents to baptize themselves. It's always the first thing when a when a kid kid wants to be baptized, um, you know, they accept Christ and want to be baptized, it's one of the first things we ask them is you know, their parents like, you want your you want your dad or your mom to do it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, because And they usually look at us like we can do that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, aren't you the preacher? I mean, the only thing the only requirement is you have to be a believer, yeah, a baptized believer as well.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That's that's all I would ask. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, if you were a baptized believer and you're living like a Hellion, then I'm probably gonna tell you no.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Because there needs to be an example.
SPEAKER_01Right, there needs to be an example. So there there are there are those limits, but yeah, anyway. And I said Hellion. That's not bad, is it? No, Hellion. Aaron is that bad?
SPEAKER_03Aaron just walked in. Aaron's my ride today. He came to pick me up. So he said we were good. He's not gonna hold Hellion against you. You approve? All right, good. All right.
SPEAKER_01It's Aaron approved. That's funny. Oh, babe. All right, I got a couple dad jokes. Oh lord.
SPEAKER_03Okay, all right. Uh hold on. Let me get my um I never get my my effects right.
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SPEAKER_03Here, let's um let's say for some background music for a lot of. I was thinking about this last week. I like it. So we'll do some music for some background jokes.
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SPEAKER_01Because he was too far out, man.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01I found the hippie one, the music. Oh man, that's perfect.
SPEAKER_03All right, that was good. I um it was real and it was good, but it wasn't real good. So no, it was good. I always like the dad jokes, and I know you guys do too. That's probably the reason some of y'all even stick around. Um so anyway.
SPEAKER_01I don't know about that, but but we we do hear about it when we miss a week, I can tell you.
SPEAKER_03No, we do. We we are thinking about trying to do it every two weeks if we can get together next week. Our schedules right now are crazy.
SPEAKER_01So um school has started, I'm teaching. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03And and we're just getting into more and more stuff here at the church. So um, if we can do it every week, we will. If we don't get one out next week, wait around.
SPEAKER_01Send us your questions though. Please do. Because I I I want I want that, I want that. You guys heard it before. The fan mail song. Yeah. Man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And we can we can it's just so good. Here, hold on, hold on. I don't know if I can stop it. That's the problem. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Let's get ready for fan mail.
SPEAKER_01Love it. Love it. So we want to hear that more often. So send us your fan mail. Um, questions you have. It it can be silly to you. It can maybe you're just you're just really struggling with understanding a passage. Um, maybe you you've, you know, like we've had these are for today and and what last podcast was forms of fan mail, but it wasn't sent directly. Right.
SPEAKER_03They weren't sent directly to us.
SPEAKER_01But uh, but they were asked of us uh over you know a few periods. And um, but yeah, send us the fan mail because we like questions and sometimes it's hard coming up with material.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So if you ask us questions, the good thing is in through the fan mail, if you want to include your name, you can.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03Um, but there's not a spot for it, so you have to include it in the message because all the fan mail we get, we have no idea who it's from. So if you want to include your name, we won't include your name on the podcast. But at least then, if you're from the church and you want to talk to us, maybe we won't be blindsided by uh how you do that. But if you don't want to include your name, just send us fan mail. Ask a question, we would love to hear that. And share the podcast. That's right. Share it. Let them let other people know. If you think it's worth listening to, let other people know. Dan, I appreciate it. All right. Love you all. Yep. Love you guys. Have a great week. We'll see you soon.