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Ginny & Georgia & My Mom
Hi Peach :) Just like Georgia, my mom had me super young and raised two mixed-race kids on her own: I'm wasian and my sister's blasian. Now we're watching Ginny & Georgia together, breaking it down scene by scene, episode by episode as an elaborate excuse to get my mom to spill her secrets and capture this time in our lives. 💛
Ginny & Georgia & My Mom
Episode 1: Pilot
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Hi Peach. Welcome to the Ginny and Georgia and my mom podcast. I'm gonna try to improve on that accent. Okay, so Ginny's in the classroom, and we learn Georgia had her when she was 15.
SPEAKER_01So in my notes, I actually don't have that we learn in that first scene. I guess by voiceover that Georgia had her when she was 15.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because then she says it's the same age she is now. Right, okay. And then she says she got the sex talk when she was seven, and never give anything unless you're getting something in return. Right.
SPEAKER_01And then seconds afterwards, we see that she doesn't know that lesson yet because she gives the pencil or the pen to that male student without getting anything in return. Right? So she's still uh innocent, if you will.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. And then she gets called into the hall and we learn that her stepdad died. Does he say she was killed, or was it just he's dead?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. I I just wrote that he died.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like he got into an accident. Yeah, he wasn't killed.
SPEAKER_01Okay, he died in a car accident.
SPEAKER_00And then they're at the funeral, and we learn that Georgia and the kids. Wait, we see Jenny and her brother Austin, and we learn that that family's gonna get all of his money.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think at the funeral scene we meet the um the ex-wife first. So we hear all the chatter from the relatives before we actually see Georgia for the first time. No, Georgia for the first time, yeah.
SPEAKER_00This show was like marketed, it was supposed to be. This is why I originally watched it, because they said it was supposed to be like the next Gilmore Girls.
SPEAKER_01Well, don't they actually say that in the third scene?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's how they they got me to watch it. I was like, this is nothing like Gilmore Girls.
SPEAKER_01It's uh the Gilmore Girls and Ozark. That's what one reviewer said. Well, having never really gotten into Gilmore Girls, it didn't really shock me, but I guess it helped me understand which demographic they were going for.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. No, BB says that all her friends watch it.
SPEAKER_01Maybe you should explain who BB is.
SPEAKER_00So you have two children, me and BB.
SPEAKER_01Yes. You, who I had at the tender age of 21. And then 16 years later, I had BB. And BB is Blaisian. Black and Asian. And you're the Asian, and I'm the Asian. So right after at the end of the second scene, when Ginny says I am nothing like my mom, they cut to scene three in the convertible where Ginny, the the 15-year-old, is driving.
SPEAKER_00Wait, that's true. Wait, but can you drive when you're 15? Like with a learner's permit, I guess.
SPEAKER_01I guess so, right? And so then they just show all the ways that there's been that role reversal, right? So Ginny's more responsible than her teen mom.
SPEAKER_00They do that in Gilmore Girls, too.
SPEAKER_01Do they?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I I guess I was always trying to think um you being the child of a young mother and like how you relate to these storylines.
SPEAKER_00I feel more like the mom.
SPEAKER_01So do you actually relate to Ginny and you related to Rory?
SPEAKER_00No, I related to Lorelai and I relate to Georgia.
SPEAKER_01You relate to the mom? What?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01As the less responsible. Like, so you actually relate to the quote unquote younger character. The younger in maturity character. Yeah. I guess that's the mature character. Who is paradoxically the mother? Okay, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_00So they're getting gas, and then Georgia kind of starts to freak out when a cop comes by her.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And so we all wonder why.
SPEAKER_00But then she kind of has this reflex to be super charming to like cover up her fear.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And so, right, because that's scene three, right when they actually say, Oh, we're like the Gilmore girls. But then as soon as you see that Georgia's afraid of the cops, you're like, uh, but maybe not.
SPEAKER_00I thought about that. Like, what if Lorelai, if there's some kind of murder or something?
SPEAKER_01That Lorelai would never do it because Lorelai's such a goody two shoes, right? Never. What's the name of the town that uh Gilmore Girls is?
SPEAKER_00Stars Hollow.
SPEAKER_01Stars Hollow. Even that sounds like some fairy tale. So they drive into the town, which is in Massachusetts. But what do you know what the town is called?
SPEAKER_00Oh, uh Wellsbury, I think.
SPEAKER_01Wellsbury. So it's some small, rich, predominantly white town. It looks like a lot of like towns in northern Ontario.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So I was like, where was this filmed? And I looked it up and it was Coburg, Ontario.
SPEAKER_01Are you serious? It was filmed in Coburg, Ontario. That is crazy.
SPEAKER_00Because I was like, this is for sure Ontario.
SPEAKER_01Like just that first episode.
SPEAKER_00I'm pretty sure all of it. Wow. Wow. Okay, cool. Okay, yeah. So they arrive at their new house.
SPEAKER_01Oh, hang on. As they're driving through the town.
SPEAKER_00Oh, is this about the politician?
SPEAKER_01Well, she sees she sees the picture of the politician. And I don't know if um Ginny brings up the fact of, oh, oh, this is like the third or fourth like school or town we've been in. And Georgia sets up, oh, but this feels different, and we're gonna take over this town, right? Um her the wheels are turning.
SPEAKER_00Then they arrive at the house, and it's like a giant house.
SPEAKER_01It's like a giant house, and you're immediately thinking, how are they paying for this?
SPEAKER_00And we get a flashback to young Georgia, and she's sort of getting attacked, but they call her Mary.
SPEAKER_01She's sort of. What are you talking about? She's totally getting attacked. Yeah. And she's like living in a trailer, right? And the we're assuming it's her husband. I'm gonna kill you, Mary, he says. I'm gonna kill you, Mary.
SPEAKER_00Her husband, she looks like she's like 12 in it.
SPEAKER_01That's true. That's true. You're right, you're right.
SPEAKER_00We see the neighbor yelling at her son for smoking weed. Were you annoyed by this neighbor? I thought you would really like her. Or but sometimes you surprise me, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Ellen? Yeah. Um well, why did you think I would like her?
SPEAKER_00I thought you would, but then I'm always like wrong about you. So then I was like, you definitely wouldn't. Same with like Lorla. You have some weird hatred for Lorla Gilmore.
SPEAKER_01It's the way she talks. Oh my god. We missed a very quick scene, right, after the flashback, where they have, you know, they're back in present time and it's a close-up of Georgia's face, and she has this smile on her face, right? And I think it's this whole like we think about Georgia's arc, right? And we think, oh, how far she's come, but how did she get here? Right? And so now she's smack dab in the middle of suburbia with the stereotypical neighbor bringing cookies, and we're just like, oh, snooze a fest, right? Oh, that's an interesting question. Except I didn't have to like do all this stuff to get to Mithune, but uh I don't know. That's a good question. I'll have to ask. So just to explain, Mathhewune is uh we move was a house that we rented in a very um bougie part of Toronto.
SPEAKER_00And so Jenny is talking to her dad on the phone, so we know like her dad's in her life.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00She sees Marcus sort of across the street crawling out of his bedroom, and he gives her a little salute, and she hides. The salute is important. The salute became infamous. Did it? Yeah. It was like a thing people like really hated on the show for for this little salute.
SPEAKER_01Really? Why?
SPEAKER_00Like, I don't want to skip ahead, but like at the very end when she gives that salute, it kind of became like a cringy meme.
SPEAKER_01Oh right. I never even made that connection.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. It became it was really cringy. And then I wrote down in the next scene they sort of name check Gilmer girls.
SPEAKER_01Okay, what does that mean?
SPEAKER_00That's when they say, like, we're like the Gilmore girls, but with bigger boobs.
SPEAKER_01Ah yeah. Bedroom scene. Georgia brings you a new sweater. We're like the Gilmore girls, but with bigger boobs. I wrote that down too.
SPEAKER_00But I don't like how she says the Gilmer girls. I don't know why I'm getting so defensive about Gilmore girls, but what did you say they name checked?
SPEAKER_01That means they reference.
SPEAKER_00I don't know if that's a real term. I just kind of made that up.
SPEAKER_01I feel like it is a real term, but Okay, so they name checked the Gilmore girls. Why? What should it be? They name they name checked. We're like the Gilmore girls?
SPEAKER_00What should what what why should they not have the We're like Gilmore girls?
SPEAKER_01We're like Gilmore girls? Yeah. But that's not even a grammatically correct sentence.
SPEAKER_00Oh god, okay, let's move on.
SPEAKER_01So then they go to the evening and they have a kind of explicit scene with the This was when I was like, why did I choose to watch this with my mom? How embarrassing.
SPEAKER_00I was like, no.
SPEAKER_01So you're embarrassed because you're watching this with your mom, but you yourself, did you find it awkward? Or you're just like, nah, that's just life.
SPEAKER_00Well, I found it awkward. Okay, so the so Georgia takes out a vibrator and she's like, Oh, I need to charge it, but then she starts like playing with a gun. I found that kind of awkward.
SPEAKER_01But she wasn't playing with it in some kind of sexual way, like no, ew no.
SPEAKER_00I just meant like it was just awkward. I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01So this is in Massachusetts. I don't know what their gun laws are like in Massachusetts. I'm assuming that they're a carrying state. They're pretty right wing in Massachusetts.
SPEAKER_00What's okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01Like that they can that they're legally allowed to own guns. Like those kind of pistols and stuff.
SPEAKER_00I feel like if I lived in the US, I would definitely have a gun.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so why did you feel if you that's okay. People should understand that we live in Canada.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you felt more awkward about her playing with a gun than you did with the magic wand? Uh that says maybe more about yourself. I don't know. Interesting this show, which is like a teen coming of age show that it had these like weird bursts of explicitness. And I don't know, have you did you ever watch the show Euphoria?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_01Because it's kind of similar to that.
SPEAKER_00I feel like Vinny and Georgia is like four kids because like BB's friends are watching it. I don't know if BB's friends are like watching euphoria, that's like made for older people.
SPEAKER_01So BB is now 14 and just turned 14. So that kind of shocks me that like say twel 13 to 12 year olds might be watching this show.
SPEAKER_00Sometimes they are changing.
SPEAKER_01And I don't even know if they would get the magic wand reference, whereas I think obviously they would understand why she would have a gun. Because they're just more used to violence than they are to sexuality. So the gun is explained kind of in the flashback scene, which comes next. Flashback to Georgia being young, she's run away from home, she's hitchhiking, she's at a gas station.
SPEAKER_00She was in Georgia, and that's how she named herself.
SPEAKER_01Right. So that's explained throughout the show that she changes her names and she chooses the names of her children based on wherever they are. And there's a some weird mis mystery woman who takes her under her wing. And this is the first time we hear that phrase that seems to be a thread throughout this episode. You catch more flies with honey. But if you catch a bee, sting first.
SPEAKER_00I just called that mysterious woman motorcycle woman. Okay, so that's motorcycle woman. And so Georgia drops Austin off at school, and she gets invited to like a PTA meeting where that guy that she thought was good looking, the mayor elect is gonna be there.
SPEAKER_01But you forgot one small scene between that, the flashback, then flash forward to present time. It's at nighttime. Georgia still can't sleep. So she's watering the plan. And that will become uh an important sort of foreshadowing. Oh, I forgot that word. Foreshadowing. And then she also asks, uh, she sees Marcus coming home, and then she asks him for bud. So again, it's another it's another example of how the parent is less responsible than the child. So first day at new school, Georgia's dropping Austin, the little brother off at school, and Austin's a little bit nervous, and then Georgia passes on that piece of advice that she got from motorcycle woman, right? You win more flies with honey, but if you get yourself a B, sting first.
SPEAKER_00And then she gets invited to the PTA.
SPEAKER_01Then she yeah, so she's standing around and then she meets the moms. Did you ever go to any PTA stuff? Never.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01As you may remember, I was not so engaged with your education when I was younger, but um, yeah, I always blamed it on being too busy as I was a teacher myself to be involved with parent, the parent aspect of schooling. But yeah, I never went to a parent council meeting or help with fundraising or even volunteering for a field trip.
SPEAKER_00But is that thing like is that real? Do parents do that?
SPEAKER_01Yes, parents do do that.
SPEAKER_00That have jobs?
SPEAKER_01No, not that have jobs. Okay. Okay. AP English. Okay, so yeah, this is a funny scene. What did you think about this?
SPEAKER_00Uh, I don't know. They're trying to be very woke, but it comes off as cringy.
SPEAKER_01So what does cringey mean?
SPEAKER_00I don't know how okay, cringy. Like, it just makes you cringe. You're like, oh, it's like embarrassing, kind of.
SPEAKER_01For because you're imagining yourself as the teacher, as as Jenny, or as a bystander in the scene.
SPEAKER_00No, it's embarrassing for me, the viewer, that they have written it that way. Oh, wow, so meta.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay. So I was trying to, of course, overanalyze this scene. Um, so we are in what did you place the place of the name of the place as well?
SPEAKER_00Wellsbury.
SPEAKER_01Of course, she gets to have Ginny gets to have this really amazing speech where she shows the teacher that she's way more educated and advanced than he gave her credit for. Um, but an English teacher, yeah, so he's part of the male patriarchy. And out of the 16 texts that he's chosen for the class, well, 15 of them were written by white men, uh, which is probably still common in many high schools across America and Canada for that matter. Uh, but would a teacher really say that to a black identifying student? Oh, if you can't keep up, you can choose a different course in 2021.
SPEAKER_00BB would kill me if I put this next part online because she told it to be in confidence, so I have to redact the story.
SPEAKER_01She's told you that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Have we told the audience that my youngest daughter, who's 14, is Blazian? Oh, right, we did.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Right. So she's even though she loves all things Korean, which is my background, she very much is a black presenting individual. So she's told you she's experienced microaggressions like that. So maybe this isn't too far-fetched. It's sad, it's very sad, but uh obviously that makes Ginny's um speech where she gets to put the the male, the white male teacher in his place, all the more triumphant.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So we meet Maxine. I love Maxine, she's my favorite.
SPEAKER_01And so who is Maxine? Do you want to tell the audience?
SPEAKER_00Um, so we learn that she's Marcus's twin sister, but she kind of just at first is like a fr a really outgoing girl who like befriends Ginny. And we sort of Maxine introduces Ginny to all her friends. Oh my gosh. And this is where we meet Hunter.
SPEAKER_01Oh, Hunter.
SPEAKER_00I just don't understand why they didn't give him better hair.
SPEAKER_01It's such a like 80s haircut.
SPEAKER_00It's like, because there's no competition between Marcus and Hunter's hair.
SPEAKER_01For those of you who want explanation for why I say it's such an 80s haircut, because it's asymmetrical. Think Annie Lennox in the 80s. Why would they give this Wasian guy who could be cute?
SPEAKER_00I think they're racist. I think they're secretly racist.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that's an interesting thing to uh to think about. The representation of the BIPOC people in the show, excluding the main character, Ginny. Is it obvious that Maxine is lesbian?
SPEAKER_00I wouldn't have guessed that. And she also mentions that Mercus bought a motorcycle. Oh, and then they skip school on the first day of school.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because they go off site for lunch, and they're late when they do they actually skip the afternoon. I think they do.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and then we see Georgia, and she's sort of at a coffee place or restaurant, and Joe is there. Joe, I'm pretty sure, is from Degrassi. I'm pretty sure he was on Degrassi.
SPEAKER_01Joe is the owner of the cafe. Yeah. And he is South Asian. He's South Asian cafe owner.
SPEAKER_00And also, I think his real life, hold on, let me just-I don't want to screw up my thing on my computer, but I want to know if he was on Degrassi. And he kind of always plays the same type of guy. I've seen him in a lot of stuff. He's always like the good guy. Aww. And his real sister in real life is Padma.
SPEAKER_01From the food network? What do you mean? What food network? Oh, Padma in the show? Yeah, yeah. There's a South Asian Food Network person named Padma.
SPEAKER_00Is she the one who couldn't cook rice? She's like from the UK.
SPEAKER_01Maybe. I don't know. I thought she was Canadian.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Bibi's texting me. Hi. Oh, okay. She texted me before. Where are you?
SPEAKER_01Why are you not responding? Yeah. She doesn't know we're meeting. Okay, so at the cafe, Georgia. Encounters Paul Randolph, the most eligible s bachelor in Wellsbury. I really hope the name of this place is Wellsbury. Paul Randolph, the mayor, and she quote unquote accidentally knocks his sandwich on the ground and then offers to buy him a replacement and says, Oh, why did you sit down? Why did you join me?
SPEAKER_00And I was kind of like she definitely wore that dress on purpose.
SPEAKER_01Of course.
SPEAKER_00Also, we kind of there's a little detail that they mention about Joe and how he like in this restaurant, all the people that work there are like students. And also on this farm that he owns. I will say, like, I've seen all three seasons, and I don't remember this farm. I don't think this is like they never show the farm. I would have remembered a farm episode because I want to be a farmer.
SPEAKER_01For those of you who don't know Imogen, if we're if you do know in Imogen, you would realize how hilarious that is.
SPEAKER_00It's the dream.
SPEAKER_01A millennial on a farm. It should be a show.
SPEAKER_00It's called The Simple Life with Paris Hilton.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is she a millennial?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. See, millennials are older than me. I swear.
SPEAKER_01I'm young. I know, I know. It's like 29 to 40, right? Millennials are that age. So you're just on the bottom cusp of it. It's called It's called a Zelennial. A zillennial. Nice.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So Georgia. Oh wait, Ginny sees Georgia eating lunch with the mayor.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And she gets all angry because she immediately knows that the scam has started, right? Whatever that is, but it's so what Georgia does every time they come to a new town. You can just read the thoughts in Ginny's mind. But another important thing is that at the cafe, when Georgia goes to pay for the mayor's sandwich, her credit card gets declined.
SPEAKER_00That gives me so much anxiety. Like, why did you just move into this giant house if your card is getting declined? I'm like, and you have two kids? I'm like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_01So we're assuming that storyline's gonna get fleshed out a bit more.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay. I'm not, yeah. I don't should I just like ruin stuff for you? No. This is so hard. I can't hold it in. Okay. Um, and then Austin's glasses when Georgia comes to pick him up. Austin's school were broken.
SPEAKER_01Austin's glasses get broken, they're back home, and you see Georgia bring this plant, this flowering, this potted flowering plant. She brings it, she opens the door to the backyard and she just puts it out on the stoop. So we don't really know what that's about, but it's a foreshadowing again. And there is a flashback after that with um motorcycle girl um where motorcycle girl is putting some makeup on Georgia's face, where she's obviously sustained some type of a bruise, maybe a black eye. And um the motorcycle girl has a gun and she says, for the bees. Remember that if you get a bee, sting first.
SPEAKER_00And then that's when that guy comes up and tries to hit on her, and she kind of blows him off, and you hear that his name is Marty, and then she you see Georgia meeting Zion. Well, some guy that we assume is Zion, which is Jenny's father.
SPEAKER_01Zion. Okay, the name is Zion. I wrote Devon, but I could have heard it wrong. Alright.
SPEAKER_00And he mentions at this bar Jack Carolac and on the road.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_00So Jenny goes back to Maxine's house, and you see, can we call her Max or is it just Maxine? It's Max. Okay, so then Max kind of asks if she has a boyfriend, and she's like, Oh yeah, I was supposed to ask if you have a boyfriend. And Ginny kind of thinks that it's because of Marcus, but then you learn it's because of Hunter. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, I'd be disappointed too.
SPEAKER_01Do you think Marcus is hot?
SPEAKER_00How old is he?
SPEAKER_01Like the actor. I don't know. But he's supposed to be in high school, right? So if Max and Ginny are in grade 10, he's like maybe in grade 12.
SPEAKER_00No, he's her twin brother. So they must be Oh, right.
SPEAKER_01So they're both in grade 10. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, he's young.
SPEAKER_00Like, uh, yeah, I like his moody thing. It's like the same as like just from Gilmar Girls.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and so that leads to the next scene where they're in the driveway. Um, Ginny walks out and Marcus is at his bike. What did you make of this scene?
SPEAKER_00I thought it was I feel like she knows motorcycles really well because her dad rides motorcycles. So Ginny kind of gets on his motorcycle and drives down the block.
SPEAKER_01Is that because Ginny, because Max asked her, are you like, Do you have a boyfriend? And they're setting it the audience up to thinking that Marcus wants to know. And then Ginny's all like, oh, Marcus might be into me, so I'm gonna go get on his bike.
SPEAKER_00I don't think you have to hold the mic so close to your face.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Alright. I don't know. Okay, yeah, continue.
SPEAKER_01I just want to say now it might be because I am older now. I found the interactions between Ginny and Marcus to be again a little contrived, unnatural. Like this all through out Ginny's like being at school, she's been appeared pretty quiet, except for that massive speech that she made. Um but then Virta get on his motorcycle and drive off. I don't know. Anyways.
SPEAKER_00And she's like been really awkward around guys, very awkward.
SPEAKER_01And suddenly she has all this mojo and gets on his bike and takes off with it. And then she gets off his bike and kisses him. Wait, they kiss? Ginny kisses Marcus. Wait, are you sure?
SPEAKER_00Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER_01Because in from the opposite side of the street, from across the street, Georgia is sitting on the balcony having a glass of wine, and she sees Ginny take off on the motorbike, and she says, You little idiots about her daughter. So this is like the first time we see Georgia. Well, it's not the first time, but we realize that she's tougher, like this very feminine saccharine persona that she has is actually behind that is someone very tough. And she's calling her daughter's little act. She's calling her on it. You can't pull this off, only I can pull this off. She doesn't actually say that, but in her mind she's thinking it. You little idiot. She actually does say you little idiot. She says, Virginia Miller, you little idiot.
SPEAKER_00I feel like I can't move because my chair keeps squeaking. So I have to like remain totally still.
SPEAKER_01We we will iron out these technical glitches.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So and then we see Marcus's girlfriend picking him up. So they kissed. I don't know how I missed that. Okay, and then so we see uh Marcus's girlfriend picking him up, who is Joe's sister.
SPEAKER_01Oh I never made that connection.
SPEAKER_00Maybe you don't know that yet.
SPEAKER_01I don't think so.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01I don't recall them making that connection, but it could be. She is a very tall, beautiful South Asian girl. So the aftermath of Ginny's little r rebellious outburst is they're back at home and Georgia gets mad at Ginny. And there comes that whole theme again of you can't make the same mistakes I made. And I feel like that's there was a little bit of that between you and me. I was like, you can't have the same life I had.
SPEAKER_00I was like so terrified of getting pregnant. Because I told you. Yeah. But there was nobody to even sleep with. So what was I so scared of?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think if anything, like that is a a lesson that we would want our daughters to learn to not repeat. Because having a kid when you're really young is super hard.
SPEAKER_00I think I kind of regret not having a kid when I was super young. I feel like I would have just figured it out and had to grow up, you know? But instead I'm just like a 29-year-old teenager.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, you would have been you would have been forced to grow up, but why would you want to grow up before your time?
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna live forever. There you go. Okay, and so then when Georgia gets home, she starts to freak out. No, wait. When Ginny gets home, Georgia starts to freak out about her at her. And this is kind of also in the Gilmer girls pilot as well. Because Rory's like, kind of wants to, she likes Dean, she sees Dean, and she kind of wants to stay at her old school instead of going to children. And Lorelai's like, you're me, you're gonna make the same mistakes, you're gonna get pregnant. And like, it's the same.
SPEAKER_01So when you were watching it, did you feel like they were copying the Gilmore girls? Kind of, yeah. Okay. Or some or but maybe it's just uh like a th a thing between like with young mothers. Why does 15 seem so much younger than 16? Well, be uh I guess 16 is like this age of majority in so many ways, right?
SPEAKER_00Like you can drive 15, you're basically 14. Which it means you're basically 12.
SPEAKER_01Kind of like n I'm 50, but I'm actually 30. What? 50 is the new 30. Is that what you're telling yourself? No, I have heard that 60 is the new 40, which I think is outrageous, anyways. I feel like 60 could be the new 50. It just puts so much pressure on women, anyways. To be 60, but to have to look and feel like 40 is just so hard. It's so much pressure.
SPEAKER_00I already feel the pressure. There you go. I might actually get Botox. Do you think I should?
SPEAKER_01For what reason you have no wrinkles?
SPEAKER_00I do, they're right here.
SPEAKER_01Those are that's just your cheeks.
SPEAKER_00It's from smiling too much.
SPEAKER_01How can you smile too much?
SPEAKER_00I'm not actually gonna do it. I've just been thinking about it. Uh the next scene I see, Georgia is buying a bag and her card gets declined again. But doesn't she know her finances? I don't understand. Like, how doesn't she know it's like it's gonna be declined?
SPEAKER_01I think that I mean, I don't wanna flash forward, but I think that she keeps expecting money to be deposited into her account. I think from the from the death of her husband and the resolution of his estate, she's just expecting some big payday. Or she's just really dumb. I know.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I realize it is the payday. And then you see her kind of con her way into a pair of shoes.
SPEAKER_01Right. So she we see now some of the Street Smarts come out, and she pretends that she's returning a pair of shoes, and from that she gets some store credit. And we see her all decked out in her new clothes.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I thought it was like too small of a con. I mean, yeah, it's nothing new. It wasn't that outrageous. I mean.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so then she calls her lawyer, who she says it's her lawyer, but it's that guy, Marty, that was hitting on her at that biker bar.
SPEAKER_01Ah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I was like, why does this guy look so familiar? And then I rewound it, and then I heard them saying, like, she really got you, Marty, like in the background. And I was like, I never made that connection.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he certainly doesn't look like a lawyer, he looks more like a bounty hunter or something like that. Like pretty burly.
SPEAKER_00And so she's kind of like, when like my cards are getting declined, once the money coming in, you're my lawyer, but we know he's not really a lawyer.
SPEAKER_01And he Marty says the ex-wife is contesting the will and wants wants a portion of the profits of the yoga. If they keep saying the yoga company, right? Right, so then Georgia takes wait. They go to the schoolyard, so she's picking up Austin.
SPEAKER_00And then the kid the mother that invited her to the PTA meeting that's gonna be that evening, her kid is the one that broke Austin's glasses.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and so now we see some of that Street Smart coming out.
SPEAKER_00Street smarts, it's a child! But schoolyard justice, right? Yeah. So she she gets Austin to like punch this kid in the face, and then she like holds onto his nose and like squeezes it until what?
SPEAKER_01Well, she's pretending that it's a bloody nose. So then they walk out from behind the bushes and she's like But isn't she like squeezing it to hurt him? Oh, okay, because she says, like, you're a bee, you're a bee. Is she just like actually disturbed? Well, yeah, because she's teaching her eight-year-old son some of this like eye for an eye justice, right? She's torturing a kid. Mama, why are you so okay with this?
SPEAKER_00You're like, yeah, this is the street smarts.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, I just uh, I mean, there are parents that tell their kids, like, if someone punches you, you punch them back.
SPEAKER_00Like, or like tell your kid to punch back, but then like don't be there while it happens. Okay. And so then we kind of see Jenny is looking at Marcus and Padma. Oh, I don't know if do we know that's her name, or did am I revealing that?
SPEAKER_01You're revealing that.
SPEAKER_00Okay. And they're kind of making out, but then Hunter comes up to her and asks her out.
SPEAKER_01And she says yes because she knows that Marcus is out of reach because he's kissing another girl.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Do you think she genuinely likes Hunter? No. No? I thought she kind of does.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was just hoping that he might develop into something like a fuller character, but I'm not optimistic.
SPEAKER_00I think his hair gets better in season three. I can't really remember. Still in season three? I think so.
SPEAKER_01My jaw just dropped.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so Georgia comes to pick up Ginny with Austin, and then they eat fast food in the car. The food looked really good.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think it's I read a little more into that scene.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_01Because Georgia comes to pick up Ginny with a car full of food. And she apologizes to Ginny for her outburst earlier. And the way I read that scene, I actually found it a bit of a poignant scene because her daughter is sort of like being a petulant teenager and is like, fine, let's just go. And she, I guess they drive off to a quiet place and they sit and they have a car picnic, and Georgia is like trying to provide this life for her two kids, and she just had to scam her way into getting these new clothes. She doesn't have any money, but she's just living for the moment because she she has herself suffered, and she doesn't want her kids to suffer. So I kind of felt that to be a poignant moment. You got all that from them eating fries of the car. The car picnic. The car picnic, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I was like, oh, they're just having some bacon donuts.
SPEAKER_01Like it's just like but that's so like decadent. Like, let's live for the moment. My credit cards are declined. I can't afford anything. I don't have a job, but I want my kids to succeed and never know any like a moment of want. So let's have a maple bacon donut.
SPEAKER_00Next, I have Ginny telling Georgia that she has a date. No, wait, okay, that was in the car. Okay, we're going next scene. Next scene. Max and Ginny, I think they're like in the room with Georgia. I don't know if they're in Ginny's room. Because why would Georgia be there? And Georgia's kind of just getting undressed right in front of these kids. Was that weird or am I overreacting?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can't remember whose room it is. It might even be Georgia's room. So Ginny is getting ready for the date, and Georgia's getting ready for the PTA meeting, right? The parent community meeting. And of course, getting dressed in a very provocative way.
SPEAKER_00It's supposed to be like they're similar in ages, so she's like one of them.
SPEAKER_01Again, it's this whole idea who's the adult, right?
SPEAKER_00But I was like, that's like your friend, your kid's friend. I don't know. It was weird. And getting changed, I know. I don't know. The first time we watched this, I remember loving Georgia, but now I'm like, I don't know. She's like beating up little kids. She's getting undressed in front of teens. I'm shaking my head. And then Hunter and Ginny go to Georgia's Joe's restaurant.
SPEAKER_01Seems like the only thing. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Why does why does Hunter act like that? Did you see? I wrote this line down, and then Hunter's like, let's skip over all this first date stuff and get juicy with it.
SPEAKER_01I know, but then they actually the things they share are so innocent, right? I wrote down they have a wholesome date.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And then that neighbor that you don't really have an opinion on brings Marcus's weed over to smoke. Yes.
SPEAKER_01And do the two women realize? Do they discover that despite what they might have thought that they actually have a lot in common? Is that what that is? Georgia gets to bond with the other suburban moms.
SPEAKER_00I she reminds like me if I were a mom. I don't know why. It's like she's kind of like she has it all covered, but she's kind of like frantic at the same time. I don't know. She just seems very chill with everything, but also kind of losing her mind at the same time. And then Georgia says, okay, Georgia also makes a comment that Zion sends like books with notes in the margins. This is also from Gilmore Girls. Is it shocking? Jess does this for Rory anyway. And they also read all about like uh like the beat writers and stuff on Gilmore Girls. So I'm just like Interesting.
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of borrowing.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that. Or these are just like things that people do, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_01No, people don't do this.
SPEAKER_00I started doing that because of Gilmore Girls. I have like all these random margin notes.
SPEAKER_01I just wonder if it makes this show, Ginny and Georgia, more appealing. If they are trying to capture those Gilmore Girl audiences.
SPEAKER_00Well, they obviously were, because they literally in the ad said it was like Gilmar Girl. Oh, they did? So they are trying to sell it that way. Well, they got me doing a podcast about it, so. And then, oh, Georgia reveals that Austin's dad is in prison for fraud. Oh. Did you miss that?
SPEAKER_01I think I did miss that.
SPEAKER_00She's like, yeah, his dad is in prison for fraud and embezzlement. And the other mom is like, oh, what? Oh no, wait. The other mom is like, what? And then Georgia's like, no, but don't worry. I somebody framed him. And then the mom's like, yeah, how do you know? And then Georgia's
SPEAKER_01Like because oh I did, yeah, yes, I think I caught that part, but we can't we know she's not really joking.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. And then they see Hunter and Jenny coming home at the end of their day.
SPEAKER_01In that awkward hug.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, poor Hunter.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, I feel so bad for Hunter. But why does he have to like say, let's like get juicy with it? Like he kind of did this to himself. I don't know. Okay. And then we skip forward to the PTA. It's not a PTA, it's some kind of like town hall meeting. Gilmar girls. And they said they kind of mentioned that Massachusetts is one of the wealthiest cities in the US. It's a state. Oh, so the city is Wellsbury. But it's a town.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00They said city, but okay.
SPEAKER_01And just to remind the audience, the the reason for this town hall is that the parents are fighting for organic lunches to be provided at school. And so they're saying, like, since Wellsbury is one of the wealthiest towns in Massachusetts, why can't we get our act together and do this? And the mayor is trying to fend them off.
SPEAKER_00Does organic make a difference? Or is it a scam?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think to put organic onto products, I know you have to um meet certain regulations, but if you actually have food that is grown free of pesticides, yes, it it makes a difference.
SPEAKER_00And then we find out that Georgia has basically blackmailed Joe because of his student labor use to provide school organic school lunches.
SPEAKER_01Right, so Georgia's the hero at that town hall.
SPEAKER_00So then Paul offers her a job.
SPEAKER_01Paul the mayor. You start on Thursday. So her she's like excellent. Yes. Again, we see that Street Smarts coming through.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Now we have this awkward scene.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what is with this scene?
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna let you describe it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so Marcus climbs through Ginny's window, and then they basically have sex. That's all I want to say.
SPEAKER_01Well, you're robbing the audience of the true awkwardness and ridiculousness of this this scene. The docile female giving in to like she hasn't even been courted by this guy. Again, she doesn't know her power, and I guess this is the whole point, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And he kind of makes a comment, like, oh, like, you don't want Hunter to find out about this.
SPEAKER_01And he puts his shirt on and climbs back out the window, and that's how Ginny loses her cherry. Is that the expression?
SPEAKER_00I don't think people say that anymore, but yeah. So, yeah, we can assume that like they're not gonna start dating or anything.
SPEAKER_01Um, because he too has a girlfriend, right? So he they were equally cheating. Joe's alleged sister.
SPEAKER_00I'm pretty sure that that's not his sister. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that scene to me was a plot device. It didn't make any sense in either one of their uh character arcs. But that's true.
SPEAKER_00And it kind of like when I think about that, I feel like Marcus, I shouldn't we hate him now? Like that's like a really bad scene for him.
SPEAKER_01I don't like Marcus, but I gather that Marcus is a sympathetic character from everything I've read and from your response, which to me is surprising.
SPEAKER_00But I actually didn't really think about this scene too hard. What?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. Okay. I think it was a weak scene, but uh and immediately from that scene, there's a flashback.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. And we have a flashback to sort of Ginny and Georgia in a house doing yoga.
SPEAKER_01So this is life with Kenny, the stepdad.
SPEAKER_00And then we see Kenny getting really handsy with Ginny.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Ginny's holding some yoga pose and he comes to correct her posture and gets handsy, as you say.
SPEAKER_00Was she always gonna kill him, or did she kill him after he was kind of getting handsy? Or was she always gonna kill him for the money?
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, so did Georgia see Kenny get handsy with her daughter? Well, she obviously saw, but is that why she But they don't show her seeing. They don't show her seeing. It's maybe just like before they cut, it might be just like for one second we see Georgia's face and it's kind of pointed in the direction of the yoga room. Yeah. So how could she not have seen? I think they're telling us she saw. Yes, because the next thing we see is Georgia cutting purple blossoms into a blender.
SPEAKER_00So I looked this plant up, and it was basically saying, like, yeah, it was called like wolf lock or something. I need to look. What was it called?
SPEAKER_01I actually looked it up too.
SPEAKER_00Because I was like, where to buy? I was trying to purchase it. And I was trying to see, like, is it actually poisonous? It said it is. It is, it is, it is. Kenny had like other health problems that it made him. I don't know. Like, what if it just made him get a bit sick? And then they found out she was trying to poison him. It was like a very risky plan. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah. So in any case, she puts this blossom into a shake and then gives the shake to Kenny. And then we see Kenny driving and having the heart attack at the wheel, which we now know was a result of drinking that poison shake.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and this is kind of intercut by Jenny going up to Marcus and Padma, who are making out, and she kind of says, You should know something. And Marcus is like scared, she's gonna tell her. And then Jenny looks at Padma's shirt and is like, You have something on your shirt. And then she gives him the little salute that he's been given her. And this is like what went like badly viral, I think.
SPEAKER_01And she has that before she gives a salute, there's that voiceover narration saying you want passion until you get burned, and then you just want power, right? So it's that whole balance between power or passion. And she says, for the first time in my life, I understand my mother.
SPEAKER_00Then we sort of see Georgia gardening. Did you think she was planting that plant?
SPEAKER_01I went back and looked. Right?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I wish I that Or was it just like she's gardening and this is like the perfect suburban house, but there's like an underbelly.
SPEAKER_01No, I I did think I know that she wasn't planting that purple plant, but somewhere in that garden, there I felt like there were purple plants. Those are the poison plants.
SPEAKER_00She put the plant outside earlier. Like, why would she do that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah. And so that sets up for the second episode, which I guess it's now with the daughter, Jenny, having understood, or I guess developed, right? Um yeah.
SPEAKER_00I'm trying I honestly can't remember a lot of it. So I I remember yeah. I just remember an awkward scene with a toothbrush that's coming up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01She also says in the in the narration that she's learned to never uh like her mother to never let your guard down. Because you're still getting screwed. And so I wondered if this whole show was also gonna be like a feminist, if there was gonna be this feminist trope throughout it. Like of women getting screwed by men, and so women having to be like super conniving and yeah, because the show has Joe, so not everybody's bad. Aw, Joe, good old Joe. I'm assuming the mayor will also be a stand up guy. We'll see. Ooh, that's a very telling look. I guess I will see. Okay, okay. Well, I guess we'll see you for the second episode. Okay, bye. Bye, honey. This is your mother saying goodbye.
unknownBye.