Episode 6: I'm Triggered

Breaking down Season 1 Episode 6 of Ginny & Georgia - Featuring correcting the Logan Paul incident, almost dying at a Dua Lipa concert, would you suck a dick for the truth, and Zion's almost here! 

Transcript

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hi Peach. I'm rewatching Ginny and Georgia with my mom. Her qualifications are she was a single mom to two mixed-race kids. I'm Oisian and my sister's Blaisian. And just like Georgia, she had me when she was super young. My qualifications are, just like Jimmy, I was a moody teen.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

So I feel like we should do housekeeping. Do you want to address the Logan Paul thing?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Oh gosh, I feel so embarrassed. You went on a giant rant. I did. I tried to speak with such authority about uh Logan Paul being an MMA fighter with his girlfriend who is the Olympian. And of course I got it wrong because it's not Logan. It's the wrong Paul. It's Jake. Oh, and he's not an MMA fighter. He's a boxer. I think Jake.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

No, I think Logan is the problematic one. Okay. So my bad. Okay, so this week is season one, episode six, called I'm Triggered. I found the name, it wasn't really that important to the plot.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

To the plot, perhaps not, but uh to the themes, perhaps? Because they were talking about therapy and about trauma. Anyways. This was a big episode, I feel. Really? Yes. I felt like nothing happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

Are you kidding me? I'm just I just don't know where Zion is. I guess he's coming in the next episode. Zion? What?

SPEAKER_01 1:49

He's the when he comes, yeah, right? That he's the uh barometer by which we judge whether something has happened or not.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Well, the first time I watched this, I didn't really think much of Zion, but on this second rewatch, I'm like, I don't know. I'm intrigued. Sorry, you froze there. You froze. I was saying on my first watch, I I wasn't really, I didn't really think much of Zion, but this second watch, I'm like really into him. I think they should be together.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Okay. I can't even weigh in on that discussion since I don't know. But something I have been thinking about, because I did listen to some of the uh previous episodes again. And um on one of my many rants, I did go on and on about how Ginny was the mouthpiece of the writers. I was like, where was she learning all this stuff? Is it real is it uh believable as an actual character? And then I've been thinking that maybe she learns this from your dad? From Zion. I don't think so. You think? I don't know. I don't know him as a character. Is he not university educated? I have no idea. I feel like he is. I guess maybe he didn't he didn't go to law school because that's now why he's a photographer. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

Okay, let's get into the yeah, I'm trying to go thrifting. Okay. So after Austin stabbed that kid with a pencil in the last episode, we see Georgia and Cynthia in the principal's office. And Georgia's like, I was wondering last week, like which way she was gonna play it. She's just playing it like, oh, like I missed all of the signs. I missed his cries for help. And Cynthia says he should be in therapy. And she's like, Yes, I agree, he should be in therapy.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I found it really funny that uh Austin can overhear all of this. So Austin's out in the hallway and the adults are in the office, but they don't shut the door so he could hear everything.

SPEAKER_04 3:57

Yeah, in my notes, I was like, is Georgia serious or is she just trying to get him out of trouble? And then we see when she gets in the car with Jenny that it was all just kind of bullshit. She says, that kid had it coming. Georgia really has a vendetta. What's this kid's name, Paul? No, wait, is it not Zach? Okay, yeah, maybe Zach. And Georgia says to Jenny, I don't oh right, I wrote this down. Georgia's like, I don't remember anyone coming out of your birth canal when Jenny's trying to say that Austin should go to therapy. And I was gonna say, like, I kind of get where Georgia's coming from from.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Like well, Ginny is calling Georgia on her bullshit because uh Ginny is sorry, Georgia is talking about uh, you know, I well she says that uh Austin, sorry, Zach, I don't know why we keep calling him. Oh my god. So Austin is the brother, right? So she says, don't worry, you're not going to therapy, you're perfect. And uh Ginny just is calling on calling Georgia on I guess what she c considers her hypocrisy, because I I feel like I did not take extensive notes on this. Well, no, I was just kind of being like she's still really upset about Georgia hiding the fact that uh her grandparents were still alive, that she has a sister.

SPEAKER_04 5:34

No, my point was just like Ginny's not like Jenny's not the mom. Like, why is she lecturing Georgia?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Because remember of that dynamic that they have traded spots and that Ginny is often more responsible.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

I guess, but this is Ginny's first job. Like, she never had to get a job, she never had to really do anything. She's just sitting there complaining and lecturing. As teens do. I'm just I was I don't know, I have a thing against Ginny right now. I'm really annoyed.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

So yeah, Jenny's still mad at Georgia for not telling her about her secret family. And then we have a voiceover from Jenny, and she's like, Georgia lives in fight or flight, mostly flight, and then she reveals she's lived in 12 different homes. I didn't know it was that many.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

I just wanted to note that after she lectures Georgia in the car and they're driving along in silence, and the voiceover comes on about Georgia being in fight or flight. And then she do you notice like she pops in her ear pods, her airpods, right? Which are like$500,$600, right? So it's really yeah, AirPods are super expensive, and so it's just Ginny is lecturing AirPods from that point at night.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

Uh when I was going to the washroom, they fell in the in the toilet.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

It's happened twice. You were able to salvage them?

SPEAKER_00 7:16

No.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

So you've had two pairs of AirPods?

SPEAKER_04 7:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Like real ones from Apple? Yeah. Who keeps buying these for you?

SPEAKER_04 7:27

I don't know. My my gentleman callers. Okay, so they arrived back home and Georgia's sister is cooking dinner. It looks like rice or mashed potato or something.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

I yes, I've been very curious about this meal, but I this is what I think it is. I think it's some kind of um prepared meat. What's a spam? Like either it's ham, because if there's chunks, right? And then there's like a white sauce. So I saw it as either bacon or spam, or even like cut-up ham, like prepared meats, with some Hollanday sauce or something like that, a white sauce, which they then later slather on toast, right? Yeah. I've never had spam.

SPEAKER_04 8:24

It's really salty. I feel like I would like it.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

Yeah, it's not bad. It's uh quite common in like Korean cooking. You know, if you're a student. My husband loves it. Yeah, in some cultures it's quite common.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

Um, and the sister says help yourself, and she points to a box of wine. And George is like, once you go bottle, you don't go back. I was saying, like, isn't it the same wine?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

No. I think there are some economy brands that you can buy in bottle and a box, but no, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

You can't get a high-end bottle in a box.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

I guess. And her sister says, is like she asked her to tell her about her life, or does the sister just start talking? I don't remember, but she's like, she lives near mom. Uh, so we know their mom's still alive, and she got a job, and they ask about Ed. And they kind of just share a nice little moment because they laugh because Ed got a pirate hand.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

So that then makes us recall we associate Ed with whoever Jenny Georgia shot back in the trailer, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Oh, oh my God. Is it not? That makes sense because she shot him in the hand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Oh my god. I didn't put that together. I thought they were just telling like their old friend Ed. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

No, Ed's the stepdad.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Oh my god. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

I think they're starting to talk about, you know, the how Ginny and Maddie, sorry, I keep saying Ginny, how Georgia and Maddie are related. They're half-sisters, right? I mean, that will come later when Maddie and uh Ginny talk. Um so it's not apparent right now, but they make a reference to this guy, Eddie, who got a hook for his finger. And um, so I just thought about whoever Mary shot back in the trailer, right? Yeah, that makes sense. And I think it's kind of funny here that um the voiceovers kind of alternate between uh Ginny and Georgia. Um Georgia's voiceover says, Ginny, and it's in I found it interesting that she actually speaks to Ginny through the voiceover. What do you mean? This is actually still in the car. Okay. Ginny's voiceover, as you said, is saying, I've lived in 12 different homes, right? And um Georgia then has a voiceover that says, Ginny, what's done is done. No point digging in the mud. Okay, yeah. Which is kind of weird that the two voiceovers are talking to each other, but uh I don't think it's talking to her.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

It's just like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Like it's not talking about it. Is it is this their internal thoughts that have as voiceovers, right? So, as you know, it's silent in the car, right? Because Ginny has her airpods in, and Georgia is sort of just lost in thought as she's driving. And so Georgia's saying, What's done is done, no point digging in the mud. And then Ginny, as it moves on to scene three, says, but what happens when your past shows up after 12 years and is cooking dinner in your kitchen? And so that brings up the whole Maddie thing. And when Georgia sees what Maddie's cooking, she is like, uh, she really turns up her nose. She's like, What? You're cooking that? She goes, shit in shit on a shingle. That's this expression that comes up, right? Shit on a shingle. At first I thought that was the name of the dish. Ah, it kind of looks like it, right? Yeah. Um, but then Georgia actually tastes it, and the next time she goes, shit on a shingle. She like she likes it. It's sort of like this this memory, this taste from the past, and she can't help but like it. Oh, I didn't even pick up on that. Because what is familiar can be comforting, even if it was shit, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Yeah, yeah. Well, mom, this was the whole article I wanted to write. Nobody steal this, okay? This is my idea of how like you eat stuff that tastes bad, but because it reminds you of stuff from your childhood. So, like, once with uh my sister, like on my dad's side, she made me this ramen and she was taking care of me, and she made me this ramen, and it was like she just poured water that I guess wasn't hot enough, so the ramen was really undercooked. But something about her bringing me it when I was like, I needed her to like take care of me. Now I love when it's undercooked because it reminds me of that time.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

That's really nice. Yeah. I didn't know you wanted to write an article about that.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

I have many things because also something, okay. I know we have a lot to get through, but the end of my article was gonna be how I would always order a meatball sub at Subway because when I was little, that's what my dad would get. And then, and I've I still would just to this day only order them because something about it just like reminds me of my dad or something. And then the end of the article would be a conversation my dad and I had where I was talking about meatball subs, and I was like, Yeah, like I always get one at Subway. And he's like, Wow, meatball sub, I haven't had one of those in years. And that would be the end of the article.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Yeah, yeah, the past and what is familiar is very powerful.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

And we find that yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Sorry, I can I just bring up one thing because we were always talking about these little phrases that uh Georgia has. So after she eats, like she um just you know decides to have that pizza toast, and she's like, hmm, right? And she goes, so Maddie goes, to shitten and high cotton. And then Georgia goes, three ply toilet paper. So it's obviously this saying from Alabama, right? Maddie says, Hell the long way from Alabama. So we now know that that's where Georgia grew up, right? To shitten and high cotton. And then you have to say three ply toilet paper. Three ply toilet paper. Right.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

Um okay. And we find out that her sister, Maddie, has been following them on social media. So in the last episode, when she was at Blue Farm and she started a conversation with Ginny, we know she knew who she was already. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Ginny comes down and says that she's going out, and she's still giving uh Georgia a lot of attitude. And we find out that Maddie says uh that Ginny gets her attitude from Georgia, so that they um even though Georgia seems very offended by Ginny's behavior, Maddie points out that Georgia was exactly like that.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

I guess, but Georgia was living with like a drug addict and like a molester. Yeah, we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

So Georgia says they can stay a couple days, and the boys, uh Caleb and Austin, seem to obviously get along. Austin is really uh thriving with having some company.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Yeah. Oh, and Austin's been suspended from school, so they're gonna be able to stay as long as Austin's suspended. Okay, so we cut to Ginny in the car with Hunter on this romantic date. She's complaining about her mom.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Do you think it's a romantic date? I think it's uh like what day is it? Maybe uh a Thursday where Georgia Ginny is like Ginny's just texted and says, I gotta get out of here. Can you come and pick me up or something? I don't think it's a date. Yeah, it's like a hangout.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And Hunter grasps her chin and is like, you know, you're really beautiful, right? Oh, and she's like, I love that you're a guitarist in a band. It's like I'm dating John Mayer. Did you laugh when you heard that?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Because back to Battle of the Bands, didn't I call that other the first Asian guy? The Asian guy. The Chinese John Asian.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

Oh, yeah, the Chinese, yeah. Um this is what I was thinking. Like, there's no way a somebody her age would make that reference. Unless you're being kind of snarky, I guess maybe.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

No, but but it sounds like then she texts him. I think that's serious, is it not? Like she DMs him. John Mayer.

SPEAKER_04 17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Yeah. It but like everybody DMs celebrities, they don't like respond. No, I know, but she's obviously a fan of John Mayer. But why? Somebody her age would not be a fan.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

I know, but remember uh I just I feel like the writers are millennials, that's all.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Yes, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

Like it was a very millennial reference. Oh, and they tongue kiss. Oh yeah. Um they tongue kiss. Wait, I I wanted to tell a story about how I DM'Dua Lipa. So I took my so I took my sister to her first concert, BB, um, and it was Dua Lipa because she really liked her. She was like, hello. I I can't see you, but she she was like seven years old. And hi, sorry. Somebody ended up sneaking fireworks into the arena, and she was so short that we had to she was so short that we had to stand at the very back where there weren't many people, and the fireworks ended up being shot directly at us. So I she had brought her like brand new white bag, like backpack, and she was she loved it so much, but I to stop a firework from exploding, had to take the bag and like smash it on the floor to stop one. And by the way, my brand new phone was in the front pocket of that, and it ended up getting smashed too. But to save our lives, and there was a whole stampede of people trying to get out, and we almost died. And Bibi was so sad about her bag, and I was like, okay, I'll DM Dualifa to try to get the bag replaced.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Yeah, I was like, does there was no response? Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. I remember that concert. Yeah. And I guess I don't probably I at the time I probably didn't fully appreciate the full extent of how uh big when the fireworks went off.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

Like I didn't I thought it was gunshots. Like I didn't know what it was. Or like something. And I was like, it was the first time I felt like, oh shit, this is what people in war feel like, or something. Like you don't know what's going on, and you just like I didn't know it was fireworks. And I and I kept thinking, like, if this like it just I don't know, it was just the first time I felt like that.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Yeah, that's pretty crazy that someone was able to smuggle fireworks through security.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Well, like just drop, like tape them around your leg. Oh, is that what they did? You don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 20:13

I think about this all the time. Like my fear of getting shot, like if I was like a public person, I would have to anybody coming into the show, I would have to frisk frisk themselves, frisk them down myself.

unknown 20:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

I I think we're getting seriously sidetracked.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Okay. Okay, next.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

Uh and Georgia texts Jenny, telling her to get home. Oh, well, she sends her a bunch of needle emojis. I don't know what that means. She was gonna kill her.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

No. Back in the previous scene when Ginny was on her way out, Georgia says, Where are you going? And Ginny says, To do meth. Oh, yeah. Like a sarcastic teen. And so then when Georgia texts, she texts uh syringes.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

And of course, Ginny is so disgusted. She's like, Look at that, my mom. She's joking about meth.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

And cut to Georgia in her bed, her door opens a little, and it's her sister asking for sleeping pills. And Georgia's like, she sleeps, she's like, I sleep great, which we know she doesn't. And her sister's like, I'm gonna stop the act.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

So this is when they talk about the mother.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:30

Her sister hands her photos and says that mom isn't doing well. And Georgia's like, she shouldn't have done all those drugs. Mm-hmm. And her sister leaves her those photos, but we see Georgia already has photos that she's kept herself under the floorboards. Um as she's going through them. I thought the kid they took photos of looked really like her. Is it not Georgia? Like, it looked like the actress. Oh, okay. And then it was believable. Yeah, no, but really like her. And then we see a picture of, we assume her mom and some guy, and some sinister music comes on. That's Ed, right? In my notes, I'm like, um, in my notes I said, um, did she kill that man? Is it not Ed?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Oh. Does he not look like the guy that was in the, I don't know, episode two or whenever she shot him? Oh, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. So Ed would be Maddie's dad. Right. Um later on when Ginny asks Maddie about Georgia's dad, Maddie says that's George's story to tell. So we actually don't know about Georgia's dad.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

Well, we found out from the PI that he's in jail, no?

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 22:55

So, flashback to young Georgia. She comes into an apartment wearing a waitress uniform, and we see young Ginny as being watched by a random leather jacket wearing man.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Nice, nice notes.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Uh, should we talk about how this child does not look like Ginny at all? Um how so? That doesn't look like her. Her face is not the same at all. Gosh, you're harsh. You're a tough crowd. It's like they just took some like random mixed race child. It doesn't look like her.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

I was not bothered by that as much. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

It's a cute kid. Yeah, it really is true. It's a cute kid. It just really threw, like, takes me out of it. I'm like, this is a show. Okay. So the man asks, What are you gonna let me take you out? And we learn this man is her boss and landlord. And she's staying there for free, and he keeps insisting to take her out or buy her something.

unknown 23:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

But Georgia is very focused on the poker players on TV, this whole scene. I like I thought she was gonna start playing poker.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Like right there and then. I thought she was gonna like study. Right. Like become uh a poker player, a professional poker player.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

That would be a good voiceover where like all the metaphors are about poker or something.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Yeah. What were you gonna say? I I thought it was I liked not that I like this theme, but I I was surprised by it a little bit. So just I just want to go back to the end of the scene with Ginny in the car with Hunter. Um, because she's still really pissed off that her mom lied to her. And Hunter's trying to get her to just be a little more accepting, saying, Well, now you have family, right? Like, why can't you? Like, if I found out that I had family, I'd like be happy about this. But Ginny says, Um, well, no, I'm just really pissed off because I now I know she's not the tragic orphan who had to go through this alone. Right. So that's sort of the attitude that Ginny has towards her mom. And so if we go now to this scene where Georgia's coming home, now remember she had her when she was 15. So here, what, Ginny's like one year old, 14, 15 months old, right? And uh, so that means Georgia would be 16, maybe 17, right? Um, and she's working. And um one reasons why I I found this episode actually a little bit hard to like to watch, this idea of like le having to leave your daughter with her stranger. Unfortunately, like I had to do that, not as stranger, but I did have with who? Who did you leave me with? Not you. This was BB. Obviously, with uh obviously with you, we had the grandparents, right? But with BB, it was different. We didn't have any extended family. So I did have to You mean that you mean that random woman near Granny Mead? That was a babysitter, so she was a daycare. That one I had no problem. No, I meant the guy that we were living with at the time. Oh right. Um yeah. Anyway, so I could I understand, right? Wasn't he obsessed with her? Well, I don't want to really want to get into it, but uh, he was probably not a suitable person for me to be leaving my 18-month-old child with. But I had to go to school, the kid had to get to daycare somehow. Anyways, that's what I did. I had to leave her with him while I went to school, and then he would take her to the child care. Um, and I did find that Georgia in this scene stands her ground, right? So uh, as this guy who she calls Anthony is trying to coerce her into dating him, right? Because Anthony's paying her under the table, he's letting her there live there for free, he's babysitting uh Ginny. You would think, you know, a less strong person might feel like she owed this guy something, right? Um and Georgia says, Well, if you want to give me something, why don't you give me money so I can pay for health care, right? So that's a real thing. She said, last week Georgia, Ginny was sick and I had to take, I had to pay like what, two weeks pay just to have them tell me that I think it was like a like a month or something. A month's pay just to have them tell me that she has a cold. Right. So yeah, Georgia's experiencing some real, like real realities of just being a parent and living on her own. And she stands her ground. So this whole idea of it's not a she's not a tragic orphan who had to go through this alone. She's very much raising this child on her own and being resourceful. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

So we cut to present-day Georgia and she's learning from Nick how to paint invoices. I already knew. As soon as he said invoices, I was like, oh, here we go. And Nick is talking about his date with Casino Knight guy. In my notes, I'm like, I want to know if this is the P.I. Oh, I got a newer. Well, we can't say it. And Paul walks in and he's like, he says good morning to Georgia. And Nick's eyes widen and he's like, you guys have sex. And Georgia brushes it off and they get back to the invoices. But this is what we see on the accounts on the screen. Georgia spots all the money that's there.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

And the city of Wellsbury has like$3.8 million in its coffers. So yeah. I feel like that's not that much for a city or a town. But I guess it's more than Georgia expected.

SPEAKER_04 29:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

The wheels are a turning.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

Uh so cut to Jenny's school hallway. Abby is practicing Spanish. Apparently, she's Jenny's Spanish partner. I was gonna say, on the show community, they also had Spanish partners. Is this just something that happens in Spanish class?

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Maybe whenever you're learning a second language, it's a good teaching strategy. But it's like a thing, Spanish partners. I swear. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

I don't know. And Abby says both her parents are therapists, but we know they fight all the time. I don't know. I thought that was funny. Yeah, isn't that the joke? Maybe there's that's communicating loudly.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Isn't that the joke? Right? There's a there's a saying, Imogen, that uh dentist children have the worst teeth, right? So the therapists are always fighting.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

And she says that she can get an appointment through her dad to arrange something for Austin.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah, so this is interesting. So this whole idea of the the episode title, I'm triggered, right? Um has to do with our current, I guess, knowledge of mental health. And I'm gonna tell you it's way more than it was when I was growing up, right? Um, and Abby says therapy is like brushing your teeth, it's brushing the brain, it's maintenance. And we we find out that Abby has been drawing her feelings since she is since she was three, right?

SPEAKER_04 30:45

So this is uh I just find anytime I've gone to a therapist, I don't actually talk about my real problems.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

So why is that?

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Maybe you have not had the right therapist. So people don't understand that they have to find the right therapist and not just accept the first one they've chosen. Because having the wrong therapist can actually be damaging. So it's really important to shop around. So maybe you just haven't felt like safe enough to actually get to the meaty bits.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

I wanted to tell a funny story about like when you took me to a therapist and she was like, Your mom enters a room and everybody notices her presence.

SPEAKER_04 31:35

You know, she she takes up space and she's very loud, but you, you're very small and you're not taking up any space.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

And I was like, bitch, like, excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Which therapist was this? I don't remember. Is it that one?

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

Oh, well, we And I was like, I was like, that's not actually true. I'm just like shy and I don't know you. Maybe that was her point. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Yeah, well, we we both know that that therapist was damaging.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

So okay, anyway, it was just funny.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Um so can we just say like Max joins? Max and Nora join, and Max is still going on about Sophie, and Max um apparently couldn't climb the ropes during gym class because she was so upset. And Max goes, I couldn't climb the ropes due to emotional duress. I'm triggered. So, what this is, in the same way that Ginny scolds her mom while wearing these like$600 AirPods, and you know, it's the same way that Max and Nora talk about mental health.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

And I feel like just like the Logan Paul thing in the next episode, we're gonna have to address the real price of AirPods. They are expensive. They're not they're like 200 or 300. Americans. Or like even in Canada. I don't know. Okay, it's okay. I'll look it up and we'll talk about it next time. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

So the only reason why Max can say things like that, like, I was under emotional duress, I was triggered, blah, blah, blah, blah, and use these terms so flippantly is because there has been just so much more awareness and public knowledge about mental health. It certainly was not like that when I was growing up.

SPEAKER_04 33:31

Okay. You're yeah, no, you're thinking about a lot deeper things. Whereas me watching this, I was just thinking about like how exhausting it would be to be the friend of Max. Even just me watching this, I'm like, okay, it's time to like ask somebody else a question about themselves.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Did you not have a friend like that growing, like when you were in high school?

SPEAKER_04 33:53

Well, I think I was that person.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Okay, so perhaps that's why she triggers you. It's like, oh, I'm exhausting.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

Um yeah, so Max shows up and she's like, Is Sophie looking at me? And they look, and Sophie's not looking. She's just there living her best life. So next, Paul comes up to Georgia, and she basically says she can't talk because she has family stuff going on.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Yeah, Ginny goes, like, I've been busy, let's get together. Georgia. Sorry, oh my gosh, yes. Georgia says, I've been busy, let's get together next week. And you can tell that Paul is disappointed. But again, I was like, you go, girl. Like, right? Doesn't matter, you just make him wait.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

And Nick comes in to show, to introduce the guy he's dating, an N's PI guy. Good call. Well, I've already seen the show. You called it. And Georgia obviously doesn't know he's the PI. I hate when Georgia's behind. I hate when there's like somebody trying to pull something on Georgia. I hate it.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

I know, but so he, his name is Jesse, invites her quite forcefully, actually, like persistently, to, oh, do you want to join? Right? For lunch. He obviously wants to engage her and he asks like two or three times, but she turns him down, which is which I thought was good.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

And he said he's like a third-grade teacher. I was thinking about like him as like the character, like his acting is so good. Like if he's like a just a PI having to pretend and like put up this whole ruse, I was like, he's like a really good actor.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Like, as I didn't, I didn't think that PIs got that involved in that case though. It's true. Usually they're just like in the bushes taking photographs. I think this hasn't happened.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

Okay, actually, okay, the fourth season's about to come out, and this I'm pretty sure like this is not a thing at all. But like the way he's going at this with such vigor, I feel like he has like a personal vendetta against her.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah, he's really getting into the role. I wonder if he's even gay. That's yeah, I know. Wow. We're just gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

That's something above and beyond. Yeah, right. Um, and then we cut to young Georgia, and now she's a private waitress uh for like a poker game.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

It's in the same room, but they're just hosting a poker night here.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Or maybe in a room below, but just in a hotel room.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

Yeah, and the buy-in is like 1k, and we find out this was her idea to start this poker game. I'm kind of disappointed that she's not in the poker game.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Oh, I'm not okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

So I I was offered a job to be one of these women to like sit to be a waitress at like a high-end private poker game. But then, and it was like it was like a legit thing because it was like a guy I was bartending for like at a bar, and like he ran it, but then I never did it because I was like, it kind of sounds like I'm gonna get sex trafficked.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yes, thank you. Yeah, but I'm I'm happy you didn't take this.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

But I feel like it would have been a lot of money, and to be honest, I don't trust myself to be in that situation and like I feel like I would have sex for money in that situation if it presented itself.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Oh god. Okay. I just like I don't to say no in that kind of like if it if the opportunity presented itself, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

So yeah. Okay, I didn't I missed out on that money. And now we cut to the blue farm.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Well, hang on, because we see Georgia like letting people into the poker game, but then there's a knock on the door and somebody shows up. Right. Who looks like she's probably 13. Right. So if Georgia is 17 here, Maddie would have been 13.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

And so now we cut to the blue farm and Mang is there, and we find out Abby got Austin an appointment. And we also find out Nora is adopted.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Did you freak out when you saw I did?

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Representation, Mama.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

So after Abby says, Oh yeah, we got an appointment for Austin with Dr. Dormandy, Nora's and then Nora Nora says. Oh, I don't know if someone if um Ginny says something like, uh, oh, have you been in therapy? Right? And Nora says, Oh, please. Beth's had so Beth, she calls her mom Beth. Beth's had me in therapy since I've been old enough to understand the word adopted. And that's it. It kind of just carries on.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

But I guess I don't know. Kitty also sometimes calls Georgia Georgia.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Yes. Yeah, yes. I've noticed that.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

So I don't think it's like an adopted thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

I don't think so either. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I thought that was hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

And Max keeps saying the phrase, I'm triggered.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Yes, because she says it again here, right?

SPEAKER_04 39:42

Yeah. And Jenny then finds out Georgia will have to give consent to the therapy appointment. Wait, he never does go to therapy.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Not in this episode. They don't bring it up again. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Because the family is going through some turmoil right now. Yeah. And then Georgia's sister, Maddie, shows up to the blue farm and she sits down and she just starts like aggressively and like embarrassingly talking to Mang and eating their food. But like that's like what she's doing, I feel like, oh I don't know. It's just rude, you know?

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Like, I guess she's trying to get information, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

From the girls? I guess. Yeah, I'm not quite sure why she's being so um like socially cleaned. Yes, overtly awkward by imposing herself.

SPEAKER_04 40:37

Maybe she heard them saying she was trash in the last episode. And this is her kind of just like, you know, like going up to them and putting it in their face. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very much. This is me adding my own lore into the show. Um, and later that night, Jenny is complaining to Georgia about what happened, like with Maddie at the Blue Farm. And then we see Georgia like basically have a panic attack. And it made me think that, like Tony Soprano, Georgia needs therapy.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Why do you bring Tony Soprano in here?

SPEAKER_04 41:17

It's the same idea. It's like the head of like the mob needs therapy. That's Georgia. How is Georgia the head of the mob? She's Tony. She is? Yeah. They have the same aura.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Yeah, this was uh having a panic attack or just she becomes true, she herself is essentially triggered. Like, this is what I mean when you have young people who are talking using this word about being triggered, right? Are they really being triggered? But Georgia is legitimately getting triggered because she starts to glaze over, she hears things differently. But you know what I wonder?

SPEAKER_04 42:05

Like, you know, like her trauma. And then, like, say one of the kids that grew up in Wellsbury who like hasn't had that amount of trauma, does their trauma feel the same?

SPEAKER_01 42:15

I mean, who can speak about someone else's trauma? But when you're having, I wouldn't know what the exact term is. I don't know if it's dissociation, like she's just fade, like she like the actual her perceptions of reality. It's like an anxiety attack. But she's not breathing. I think when I hear anxiety attack, I hear people like they're short, their breathing gets short. I mean, you've had one. Do you not start to breathe really heavily in your hand? You might get really cold or for me, not with anxiety attacks.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Those like I don't breathe. Like, I think like a panic attack is where you're like breathing heavily.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

So what's in a I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

I haven't I haven't had one of these in a long time. Okay. I don't know. But I think anxiety is like where you're like frozen, I think.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Okay. Yeah, I don't know what the she I can't speak for Georgia in that particular instance.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

She be chipping.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

Yeah, so she starts to have some kind of attack. And Jenny's like, I know you're having a mental breakdown, but Max just texted and our yard is on fire. And they run outside and we see the garden is on fire. And Austin and Caleb started it with WD40. What is that? I don't even know what that is. I didn't look it up.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

It's something that you spray on, uh it basically coats um metal. So if you have something rusty, but it's it will it can be put on it's a lubricant. It's a lubricant, a flammable lubricant, yes.

SPEAKER_05 43:54

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

So maybe we could use that when we go to the cottage. To start a fire. To start fires? Yeah. Good. Yes, you could. And meanwhile, at the blue farm, Maddie is talking to Joe. In my notes, I just have she's making him very uncomfortable, or like amazing him with her crassness.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Why play hard to get when you can play get it hard? And Joe is just making it.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

And Georgia comes to yell at her for not watching the kids. And we see that Georgia is a responsible parent.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

Yeah. And we cut to Ginny sending her dad a text saying, I miss you, dad. Zion's almost here.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Well, you kind of just skip the whole blue farm thing, right? Because Ginny initially comes and tells Joe, no more wine for Maddie. But then Maddie's saying, Yes, poor. She obviously needs a big glass of wine. And then they end up um sitting there drinking, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

And I think uh Maddie goes to the bathroom and Joe tries to help uh Georgia change her attitude towards Maddie by saying, family's family. You gotta stick with them, right? So what do you do you think that's true?

SPEAKER_04 45:23

Because some people now do this thing called no contact, like with their parents. And it's like a whole thing of like people cutting their parents out. But then, like, in somebody like my husband's family, that would be unheard of.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

I am all for it.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

I don't think I could do it ever.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

I don't know. But she she hadn't seen what was how many years had it been since she saw Maddie? Does that did you make a note of that? It's been like 15 years, right? Yeah.

unknown 45:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Because she leaves, and that's a big thing. Maddie calls her on it. Like, you just left Georgia, and so she left 15 years ago. Um, and we'll see at the end of the episode what Georgia has to do. I don't you can't if the source of your trauma is always around, you cannot heal. You cannot recover. So no contact. Not saying you have to do it for your whole life, but to allow yourself to heal, yes, it's a very real need.

SPEAKER_04 46:25

Um, how come Georgia is not more suspicious? Like, isn't Georgia supposed to be the smart cunning one?

SPEAKER_01 46:33

You know what's interesting is I've come up with a new um, I guess, strategy for taking these notes. So I watched the episode once just enjoying it, and then I watch it again when I take my notes. And the second time around, it is actually so obvious how probing, like how oddly probing Maddie is. Yeah. But the first time through, I didn't even clock it, right? Oh, but when you know why she's there, yeah, her questions are odd. But Maddie in this scene is the first one that tells Georgia that Joe likes you. He goes, he likes you.

SPEAKER_04 47:15

And Georgia knows from her response, you know she knows.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

But she's also a little bit like, no.

SPEAKER_04 47:24

Like she's I think because she knows he's an actual good guy. And she's not ready for that. Yeah, who knows? I don't know. Okay, so cut to Jenny sending her dad a text saying, Miss you, dad. Well, it's not like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

It's like I miss you, dad.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I is that happening there? Okay. What do you mean? I know she does that, but so I send him again. Oh, I have cut to Max's bedroom.

SPEAKER_04 47:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where she's sending it. I have Marx's Marx. I have Max's harping on this Sophie situation still. And then Marcus comes in and Jenny tells both of them about her secret, Georgia's secret sister situation. And Marcus just gives Jenny the idea to ask Maddie about stuff if Georgia won't tell her.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

And Marcus is shown as being the only one who actually really understands why Ginny is so pissed off because everyone keeps on saying to Ginny, like, it's family, it's family. You gotta just go with it, right? Marcus understands and gives him, gives her the idea. Like, why don't you just ask her aunt? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

And then Ginny gets a call from Georgia, and she basically, Georgia says, like, I'm getting drunk. Can you watch the kids? So Jenny has to go babysit, but Marcus and Max come with her. That must be so fun, like having your friends close by.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Yes, right next door.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Don't you remember when we lived on Oak Mount? All those girls used to ask me to come play that lived on our street, and I would hide in my bedroom and just have you tell them that I couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

I think that happened once or twice.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

Oh, really? It never came back?

SPEAKER_01 49:20

It was like a core memory for me because I was like, That's interesting. I I remember it happening once or twice.

SPEAKER_04 49:26

I remember it happening all the time. Like I was like hiding from Nazis or something. Honestly. Okay. So at the blue farm, Georgia and Maddie are getting drunk and they're reminiscing. And this is where the sister starts to ask some probing questions. She's like, Did your husband How did you not see this? She's like, Did you did he leave you any money? Um, how many yoga studios did you did he own before you were married and after?

SPEAKER_01 49:58

Like So you clocked it the first time. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

But the thing is, I knew something, because I knew in the later seasons the sister's not around, so I kind of knew something was gonna go down with her. So, like we never hear from this person again. Okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

Oh, interesting. This is the last episode she's in. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

I think I might be lying, I don't know. And yeah, then they start to get up to dance. And I think in the last episode, I said that her outfit wasn't that crazy, Maddie's outfit. But this is where I was like, okay, it's like cut-off jeans with like a it's like a Canadian tuxedo, but like jean, what is that called, vest with like cut off shorts and jemmy and the pockets showing through? I'm like, even if you don't come from money, like nobody dresses like that. That is not true.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

People dress like this.

SPEAKER_04 51:08

Where? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 51:10

That looks incredible. So you think young people, like I know you're 30, like young people like you. No, I feel like they dress like that with really short shorts. I've driven down the streets of Toronto and seen girls' asses hanging out of their cutoff jeans. Actually, that outfit would look really good on a guy.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

Think about it. That would look really good. I don't know. So maybe it does look good. Maybe it's just like I'm not getting hair looks good.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 51:44

Her hair's really dirty. I think with a better hairstyle, it could actually be okay. It's just like the dirty hair that's making it really look like heroin chic, but not that good.

SPEAKER_05 52:00

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

Anyway. So they start dancing, and then does Joe get up and dance too?

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Yes, they rope Joe in. Oh my god. And then Maddie kind of pushes Joe and Georgia together, and Georgia seems really awkward.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

There's like a split second where Joe and Jo and Georgia like look at each other.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Well, do you have a theory why she's not going after Joe? Because I don't you think the big reveal in a couple seasons is gonna be she came there specifically for him? Like we know that.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Well, she knows about Wellsbury because she met Joe when she was young, right? Um Yeah. I have I don't have a theory. The only thing I have noticed, the only thing I have noticed is that she's the only one that she can really be herself with. Sorry, he's the only one.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

He's the only one. But like in Gilmer Girls, Loreline didn't want to get together with Luke because they knew each other for so long and he runs the diner, and it's a tiny town, and just like there are all these strings that would come with being hit with him. And it was but like in this situation, she's new to the town. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Because she's ambitious, right? Maybe he just he doesn't have enough status.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

But he owes the hot place of Wellsbury.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

I know, but maybe it's just not enough of a moneymaker. I don't know. It's not the same as dating the mayor.

SPEAKER_04 53:36

Yeah. Well, that makes me really sad. Okay. So Joe brings Maddie and Georgia home.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Well, no, so first they're in the living room, and it's Marcus. Is that continuing to be such a um I don't know, revealing the side of himself? So he's playing the lava game with the boys, and Ginny's just watching how great he is with them. I didn't even write that down.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

So you're not so you're starting to, I don't know, maybe I just found it boring, but like, so you're starting to like Marcus.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

Well, I think that Georgia, Ginny is seeing a side of him that uh But I saw this in the last episode when he was taking care of Max. Yes, after she was drunk, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

And then they come, Joe and um Joe brings Maddie and Georgia home.

SPEAKER_04 54:37

And Maddie just passes out drunk in front of her kids on the living room floor, and like nobody's making a big deal. They're like joking and laughing. I was like, I don't know. I was kind of shocked.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

I know, but what else are you supposed to do? It's not like they leave her there, they immediately carry her upstairs, right?

SPEAKER_04 55:00

I don't, I guess. But like, I don't know. If I were a mom, I would just quietly sneak in and then go upstairs to bed.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

I know, but I guess this is the their upbringing. Isn't it supposed to demonstrate their lack of parenting skills? Yeah. Both of them. I was just like, oh my god. I was like, this is. Were you you were feeling a lot of classism? No, you were feeling a little bit of classism, saying like they're so like trash.

SPEAKER_04 55:34

Did you think the last episode? No, I didn't. I just thought it was like dangerous parenting, and I was like, this isn't healthy. And why are they like they address so many things? They're like trying to be so woke, but then this seems like so startling, and like they're kind of playing it off as a joke.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

The kids or Georgia and Maddie? Like the show, even. I don't know. But remember, it's Maddie who's doing this, right? And the thing when Ginny, when Georgia spends time with Maddie, she kind of reverts to her old self.

SPEAKER_04 56:13

Yes. Or maybe I'm making too big of a deal with it. Maybe it's just like they don't drink a lot, and it was just like one night, although they were having a box of wine the other night.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

But did you not catch that line where Austin says, Oh, what's wrong with Aunt Maddie, or something like that? And then Caleb says, Oh, don't worry. That just means she's drunk too much. Like no, I didn't catch that. It is very much a trying to demonstrate the kind of differences in class that are being perceived by everyone there.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

I don't, I don't know. My next note is Jenny is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. I don't know what I was referring to, but okay, I do.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

So Georgia and Joe take Maddie upstairs, and Caleb and um Austin must go with Max somewhere. I think Max must say, Oh, who wants ice cream or something like that? Which leaves Marcus and Ginny left in the living room. And Ginny goes, I hate her. I really, really hate her. She does this, she ruins everything. It's always something. Always. But I I saw you're saying you the note you made was she's getting on my nerves. But do you not did you not feel this way a little bit too? Like I was a bit of a shit show growing up. Like it was always something.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

I never felt like that though. I don't know. I feel like BB might feel like that. No? But BB doesn't. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Well, that's good if you didn't feel that way.

SPEAKER_04 58:08

Because I was very self-absorbed. I wasn't really thinking about you. Okay. Okay. And so Paul interrupts Denny and Marcus having this talk, and he brought Georgia some flowers. And they tell him to go upstairs. And why do they do it? Oh my god, in the last episode too, there's a fire. Uh what's this called? An ambulance? Firetruk? Yeah. Anyway, um, I live on a very busy street, and they tell him to go upstairs. And I was kind of like, why do they tell him to go upstairs with like this little smile? Like they know something's going on with Joe.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

No. They want Paul to see Jinny. Georgia drunk. Georgia and Joe. Yeah, they just are trying to create some awkward situation with her being drunk and upstairs there with Joe. Yeah. Just being upstairs in the bedroom with a man. I don't know. They're just being shit disturbers.

SPEAKER_04 59:13

And then they Joe and Georgia have gotten Maddie in bed, and then they kind of like have a moment where they're looking in each other's eyes. And that's when Paul walks in carrying the flowers, and Joe's like, I was just leaving.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

And here is where Georgia, and then what I say in my notes is that when uh Joe and Georgia have this moment, and Joe gets this soft look on his face for like two seconds, and Georgia grimaces. Grimaces? She kind of has this like, that's what I put. Like she kind of gets this little, like, oh, like, why is he getting that dough look on his face? That doughy look.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

Do you think she's really not into him?

SPEAKER_01 59:57

I don't so this is very much. Remember a couple episodes ago, I was talking about the Jane Austen arc. Yeah. Right. It's she doesn't know. Because she's right now, she just sees the flash of Paul, who's like got the good job. He's white, he's handsome, he's rich. Is he white that's being got the bonus? Absolutely. Are you kidding me? What do you mean? Um, he's from the dominant culture, right? He's the one with the most status in the in the town. And so the Jane Austen heroine, right, gets sucked in by the allure of that status, and she can't see the good man who is doing all this stuff for her until the very end. So I I don't know what's gonna happen at the end of the season, but late, like when Paul comes up, the things that he then says to her is sort of like catnip for every woman, right? And I kind of just went, ah, gag, gay, gay, but every woman falls for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:08

So Georgia's like, I didn't want you to have to deal with any of this. And Paul's like, yeah, she's like, I grew up with a lot of dark shit, I didn't want you to have to deal with it. Paul's like, everyone's got shit, like it's not gonna scare me off. And he makes some jokes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

What were his jokes? His stupid example was so mundane, right? Yeah, but he was doing that on purpose as a joke.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:30

But still, yeah, he's like, I get angry when they drop something on bake off. Yes, yes. And at this point, I really thought, okay, when they were kissing, because then Georgia and Paul kiss, I really thought that Joe would have forgotten something or something. Like the camera was gonna pan and Joe was gonna be there watching them kiss. I don't know why. And Georgia then goes to watch her sister sleep.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Wow, so hang on. So Paul goes, I like you. I want to know you. Don't hide stuff from me. Nothing is gonna scare me off here. I got you. I'm just like I wrote in my notes, Barf, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

The thing that I wonder, and I mean this in real, like in we're not talking about the TV show. We're talking about in reality, when someone who's gone through what Georgia has gone through, can they actually be with someone who has not gone through shit? Even though Paul says everyone has their shit, you can't compare these two things. Yeah. Right? So even when he says nothing's gonna scare me off, um, for every woman who's had any kind of hardship, or you know, of course we want to hear this. I just I'm too old to believe it. I don't know. It's so they kiss passionately, and it seems like it's all very genuine, but okay, let's move on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:11

So then Georgia goes to watch her sister sleep, and her sister's phone is right on the nightstand. So she obviously goes through it. Uh, she uses her sister's thumb to unlock the iPhone. I know somebody who does this while the person is sleeping. I can't reveal who, but yeah. But like uses the sleeping person's thumb. And she sees messages between her sister and the PI. And the PI is like, get me something I can use for 5k.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

And she specifically sees those questions, like, how many yoga studios did he have? Right? And yeah, did he have them before they got together? So very much the questions that Maddie was asking back at Blue Farm.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:06

And she looks up the P.I.'s name and she finds a picture. It's not like the only photo that comes up, but she recognizes the guy that Nick brought into the office. At this point, I was like, thank God she figured it out. Like she's back on track. She knows what's going on again. So and the next day, Jenny approaches Maddie in the kitchen and she asks, What are my grandparents like? You find out Daisy is the mom or the grandma who grew up in Alabama and is crazy addicted to oxy. And her sister says, Growing up, Georgia took care of her. I thought it was funny the Maddie keeps saying, like, I'm too hungover for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:53

Um Maddie also says to Ginny, she was right not bringing you around them. They're no good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

Like, is Ginny stupid? Does she think if Georgia came from some like okay family that was going to be there for her in any way, she would have run away?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

But I think that's the point that when you grow up, even as unstable as Ginny's life sounds, like with both 12 different homes, 12 different towns, uh ultimately Georgia has been a protective factor for her, right? So I don't even think that Ginny can fathom what it's like to grow up in the same circumstances that Georgia did.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:43

Yeah. And Ginny asks about Georgia's dad, and Manny's like, that's not my story to tell. Yeah, and then they all go for ice cream at the blue farm. The blue farm also has ice cream.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

They have ice cream. Everything. I know. It kind of seems like an awesome place. And they're open all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:11

For my insomnia, I should really just like think about being at the blue farm. I feel like it's really calming.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:17

Mmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

So we cut to young Maddie staying with Georgia, and Georgia was at work, and Maddie just full-on left Ginny in the bathtub alone when Ginny's like two years old or something. Oh my god. I okay, so Ginny annoys me, but like this Maddie, this young Maddie, I wanted to smack her across the face.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:39

She was even more annoying than Ginny is. Adult Jenny or young Ginny? Or do you mean George? Oh, oh, teens in general, right? Teenage Jenny. Sorry, you mean Ginny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

Maybe it's just something about that attitude, that teenage attitude that annoys me. Okay. I don't know. They're just like so ungrateful. Mm. Mm-hmm. Um Georgia's like, you can't. When she finds out Jenny's been in the bath, she's like, you can't stay here anymore. I'm sorry, but you're not my problem. And Maddie's crying, and she's like, don't make me go back there. What do you think you would do as Georgia in this situation?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:26

So this is another thing that I found quite uh, I don't know, hard to watch in this episode is like I very much related to this dynamic um of just cutting things off. So this is a part of borderline personality disorder where you just cut people out, right? And so, like when later on when we see um Maddie leaving and just disrupting her son's life, it's and this with Georgia just telling her, you gotta go right now. Like the relationships when you experience trauma are like it's hard to have attachments. And we break, we sever these attachments in a blink of an eye. Like I let I understand why she did it. Like she didn't feel like this 13-year-old was a good uh babysitter for her child, right? But I think it's just what people who have trauma do sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:35

I was thinking, like, okay, this is her half-sister. I imagined either of my sisters coming over and like, but then I have a baby and me being like, you're not my problem. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

It was hard to imagine. Good. Because you'd probably want to care for your half-sister, right? Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, yeah. Right, and you don't have the same response.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:59

Um, and we see as Maddie's leaving, she steals money from under Georgia's bed. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:07

I mean, that theme comes up uh time and time again, right? This idea of um no honor among thieves. Like they're all just desperate.

unknown 1:09:17

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

And they're always like stealing from each other, leaving each other, abandoning each other, right? That's what happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

Back in present day, Maddie, Caleb, and Austin and Jenny, they get back from ice cream. And George.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

And this, I just want to say, like, this next scene is a hard scene. Yeah. Um, and there are I we could say there are trigger warnings here. So To our audience, we're saying this next scene could be triggering.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:45

Triggering for sexual assault, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

Yes, yes. And but not check not sexual assault, but incest, child molestation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:00

And so they come in and Georgia has packed their bags, and she says they're leaving. And Maddie keeps calling Georgia Mary, and Jenny's like, who's Mary? And Georgia says to go upstairs. But she says it like really scarily.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:19

Yeah. And Georgia puts 10K on the table. So you see, she's basically doubling what the PI is gonna give her. Also, where did she get the 10K? We see she's not in a good financial situation. And she's just like, get 10K.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

Remember, I asked you this question a couple episodes ago because Georgia's been stockpiling this cash from the sleepover, the casino. I don't know what she's been taking from the mayor's office. And we were talking about why doesn't she just pay off her bills? Why doesn't she do this, right? She knew she'd have to buy somebody off. No, but you were like, that's her runaway money, right? That's the money that she is saving in case she needs to bolt. So she's giving it all up for her sister.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

And the sister's like, You're not mad at like what I what I did, like with the PI. You're mad at me because I look like him. And it's basically just a reveal that we find out that her dad, Ed, I guess if I don't know that Ed is the dad for sure. Do you think it's confirmed that's her dad, Maddie's dad?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

That Eddie was Maddie's dad? Yeah, I don't know. She doesn't say Eddie, but she just says Yeah. So he. She just says he, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:43

Yeah, so we find out that Georgia was molested or raped. We don't really know by Maddie's father.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:55

And Georgia just tells her, better get going, there's traffic. Or there could be something.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Well, a little bit more than that.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:06

Oh wait, yes, I missed this. Okay, hold on. So we find and then we find out that after Georgia left, the dad started to do this to Maddie as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

And this is quite common, unfortunately. And uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

Go ahead. No, I don't know if this is like inappropriate to say, but why did the dad start with Georgia?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

Because she was older. You know what? It could be this thing with these kinds of predators. Sometimes they have a preference. They have an age group. They're like, sometimes they're really young, sometimes they're like when they're 14. Sometimes predators like this don't like want them pre-adolescent. Sometimes they want them once they've hit puberty. I it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:01

So what do you want to say about this scene? Well, I was very hard to watch, obviously. Yeah. I think I think Maddie, the actor, like this, she describes this state of you know, being in total shame and disgust, where it's like you're your body is crawling and you want to tear your face off, or something like that, right? I think this was a very hard scene for the actor for Georgia. Um I'm gonna say she was mostly up for it because if it's an act, she didn't say anything. It was supposed her internal experience was supposed to be played out through her facial expressions. Yeah. And so you're trying to think about what she was experiencing when Maddie revealed, like after you left, you started with me. Was it that she she didn't know this? So she seemed shocked. But I think she might have suspected it. Or she Yeah, she might have, but so first she was like shocked, her eyes grew big, and then you wondered, is she gonna soften? But she doesn't, yeah, right? Because then she's she doesn't say anything like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry, or I can't believe that, or yeah, she just says, Your your bag's over there, you better hurry, you're gonna miss your train, or something like that. So at that point, like again, from a trauma response way, like she just is not gonna feel the feeling anymore. So she just shuts it, she like blocks it. It all gets put into this little box and she puts it away and she's but also it's because she knows she can't trust Maddie, you know. Maddie's proven to like betray her. So it could be is it like she could be saying this as a lie? No, just like the gate is closed, you know. The gate is closed, yeah. The fence is around the garden, the gate is closed, she's done. And this is I I mean, I just relate to that kind of feeling because once it's done, it's like done. Like these attachments, when you've had trauma experience, your attachment, you cannot attach, and you just break them. You break any any small attachments that might have been growing, and you can break them so easily, anyways. And so this scene, sorry, this next one, Maddie goes upstairs where the kid where Ginny is in the bedroom with Caleb and uh Austin, and she just grabs Caleb and says, Come on, we're going. And Caleb and Austin are like so like crying for each other because they've really connected, as people do, right? And here's the mom disrupting her child again, and you don't know where they're gonna go. Yeah, just like, oh I feel like I've done this.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:10

And Jimmy sends a message to her dad saying Georgia's getting scary or like losing her mind or something like that. Like George's gone crazy or something. Yeah. I'm like, Zion, where are you? We need your help.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:29

And next day at school, Hunter comes up to Jenny and is like, are you okay? And Jenny asks to drive her home. She says she's gonna like skip class or something. Like, she's skipping class all the time now.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:42

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

I don't know how people like BB's age skip class because like we get calls if she's even late.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:53

Well, I don't think George Ginny cares at this point.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

Yeah, that's true. And Max finally gets up the nerve to talk to Sophie, and they actually have a really good conversation. Max's like, Max is like, she's really sorry, and she screwed it up at Halloween, and she freaked out because she likes her, and to give her another shot, and then they kiss.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

So, what did you think about this? I thought this was funny. I was not in the hallway.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:21

I was like, she's never gonna shut up about this kiss.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:24

No, not about that. Just like you go from the scene, like what's happening in Ginny's home, right? Where this family is basically dissolving, and you know, this whole history of abuse has been revealed. And then meanwhile, you go back to school, and Max is still pursuing her whole you know, love life. And I guess it's sort of like life carries on, you know, it just and that's for uh I like that thing. I don't know if you in and yang.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:01

They're not it's there's a low scene, now there's a high scene. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

I guess it's just sort of like I was gonna say trivial scene.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

There was like a heavy scene versus light.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:19

Heavy scene and then a tr a light scene. But I guess in Max's life, like this is really important. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:27

That's true. Um and back at the mayor's office, Georgia is still tempted by the invoices. But she's is she actually sick or is she just pretending to be sick?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:40

Nick tells her to go home. Well, she's just very distracted and she does she pretends to be sick. Yeah. But she puts the checkbook away. So so far she's still been able to resist the temptation to steal money.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:52

They're gonna notice if she steals that money. Like, how is she gonna steal that without them noticing?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

I know. I think it's be the con has become such a so habitual for Georgia that I think that she it's like second breathing so much so.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:08

And at the house, Ginny starts to just snoop on her mom's stuff. I always do this at your house too.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

Oh my, I know you do. And I'm like, girl, whatever you find, if you are shocked and appalled, it serves you right.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:25

And we get the sense like Ginny's just trying to find out what she's hiding or find out, yeah, what she's keeping from her. And she does find the floorboards, and she finds all the childhood photos and a leather jacket that said blood eyes on it. I think that's the gang name. And then she finds the gun. And Georgia gets home and hears a thump upstairs, and she gets her gun ready. The one she carries in her purse. So she has two guns. I wrote down this is how people are accidentally shot. Yes. Like, isn't your gun supposed to be in a safe? But then if a bad person comes in, how do you get to your gun in time? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

It doesn't actually happen, but yes, this is how people get shot in real life.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:13

Where would you keep your gun?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:18

By my bad.

unknown 1:20:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

Which is when I feel most vulnerable.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:24

Um Ginny is also holding the gun uh when Georgia enters, pointing her gun, and they both basically are startled and aim the guns at each other. And Ginny demands answers. And Georgia like doesn't tell her. Like, I don't understand why Georgia isn't just open. I guess she can't address her own trauma or something. I don't know. Georgia's like, once you I forget what she says, but she's like, once you open that box, you can never close it or something like that. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

Yeah, it says, if you knew, you'd never look at me the same way. There'd be no coming back from that. I know you think you want to know, but you don't. The past needs to stay in the past.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:07

But she's basically like, if Ginny ever finds out one day, she's basically showing Jenny that it's something to be like ashamed of.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:19

You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:20

Yeah, that's a really tricky thing.

unknown 1:21:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:26

And they get into a heated argument and Georgia slaps Jenny. Mm-hmm. I didn't really feel satisfied by the slap. Because it wasn't like when Ginny was being ungrateful or something, or like giving like some sass.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

It was like she was because Ginny says, I just want you to be honest with me. And Georgia says, I have been honest with you. And then Ginny goes, bullshit, Mary. She was giving her total sass. But that was like Mary. But that was still.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

And that's when Georgia sass. You know? That's like uh what's that word for like when something is well deserved? Uh I can't remember the words, it's gonna bother me, but like she had the correct reasons behind her to be acting that way. Justified! Okay. So you know. That was like justified sass. So Georgia slash Jenny. And then we see it kind of cuts to Lena that night where Georgia comes into Jenny's room and she's like, I'm sorry. This is where she says there'd be no coming back from that. And Jenny's like, sure, mom. Mm-hmm. Still giving her sass. That wasn't even sass to me, though. That was just like, I didn't that didn't bother me. I think I should have like a rating level of how much her sass is bothering me. This was like that bothered me.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:51

Really?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:52

That bothered me.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:53

Because I was like, oh, this girl.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:55

That was like a four out of ten for me. It didn't bother me that much. But and we see Georgia burns all the childhood photos that she had been keeping all this time.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:08

And then Ginny's voiceover says, My mom wants to bundle the past away, keep it in a box, and forget it. But it affects me too. And that's a line that had occurred before throughout this episode when Ginny was talking about it, that it affects me too. And I want to open the box.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:32

Yeah, in my notes, I have Ginny's voiceover is whiny as usual. It's my life to you, blah, blah, blah. That's what I wrote. And we see her calling her dad, and the episode basically ends with her saying, hey, dad. So we know Zion is honestly.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

Zion is coming. I'm excited. It's like Santa Claus. We've been waiting.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

And I don't know what the dad fixes, but I'm just really because I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

I'm really interested to see Georgia and Zion's uh chemistry. Right. I really hope they have good chemistry.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

I just don't know what the dad's gonna solve, but okay. I look forward to it just.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:19

I want to see Paul interact with Zion.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:22

Okay. I want, yeah. And then Joe, just let's throw Joe in there.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

Let's throw Joe on Luffy.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:30

No, they're yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:32

Yeah. They're at the blue farm in some like awkward family dinner, and Joe's just like, yeah. That was a heavy episode. Yeah. Okay. Well, at least Max got her first kiss.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:48

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:50

There you go. Okay, see you next week. Love you. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:52

Bye, honey. Bye.