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Ep. 8- How NOT to use your time.

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Hey Man! We are back and we are talking about time. We are also on video if you want to go check us out on youtube ! What is time? Why is it speeding up? How are we supposed to deal with it? These are all tough questions that we don't quite have the answers to, but we are going to try! 

Join us as we sit in a grassy field under an oak tree and one of us (Thomas) has a back spasm and has to lay down. It should be lots of fun!!

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Hey man. Hey man. Welcome to Hey Man. The We Love You podcast. Today we're talking about time. And if you can't tell, we're on video today. Hey. Uh so check us out on YouTube if you want to see the uh the real video version.

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Um or Spotify. That's true. You also may notice we're sitting like in a half yoga pose right now because Thomas threw out his back.

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At some point in the podcast, I threw out my back and I laid down for a while. Then it got really bad. Yeah. The whole thing went off the rails a little bit. But today we're talking about time.

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And we're talking about what to do with your time.

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How to make it slow down, how to make it speed up. How to come to terms with the inevitable end of it. We talk about what time really is on a cosmic scale and what it is in each moment of our lives.

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Make sure to check out our book, We Love You, an optimistic guide to life on a rock floating through space. Um, follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and check us out on Patreon. We don't have anything on there, but if you want to support us, that's the best way to do it.

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Hey man. Hey man, we love you.

SPEAKER_03

Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome to the We Love You podcast. It's actually called Hey Man. That is true. I don't know if there's one time where we've gotten that right, but you'll notice there's a little difference today. We're in the lovely Santa Cruz Mountains. Uh we've got some grass around us.

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We're in a little blanket here with our little audio interface setup.

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Here, I'll give you guys a look around.

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Yeah, we're gonna uh put some shots in here. You see right this. Oh, look at that. Is that a hill?

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Here's Thomas.

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That's me.

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Here's the rest. I should record in horizontal.

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We're hiding out under a little oak tree today. Here's Thomas to get a spot of shade.

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Here's the beautiful Santa Cruz Mountains.

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We're in the full bloom of spring right now. The hills are just rolling with poppies. Poppies? The hills are just rolling with poppies. But yeah, we we walked in and now we're hiding out to get some shade and we're filming a video podcast. We're very excited. We've had this idea of doing a video podcast for for forever. But we've just For ages. We've never done it before. Yeah. And so let us know if you're enjoying seeing us uh crisscross applesauce on our little picnic blanket. But yeah, today we're talking about time. What time means to us. What time is it? What time is it right now? Right now it is 2 09. Should the time change? Should we come up with a new way to deal with time? Should we measure time differently? Should we measure time at all? That's a good question. Probably. But time is one of those things that's just so big that it kind of there isn't really one way to talk about it or one specific conversation to have about it. So we're just gonna scratch the surface here. Yeah. Uh do I have a bug on me? Yeah. That's okay. There's gonna be lots of bugs on us today.

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So uh just It is tick season out here, so we're trying not to get bit up.

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Yeah, uh if you see a bug on us, comment the time code and then what time the what kind of bug you think it was. So, Andy, what is time?

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What is time? I don't know. It's it's an interesting concept. Uh time is this thing that you can divide up into a million, billion, trillion, and so on and so on different ways. Yeah. Into smaller and smaller segments. But you know, in some ways it's not really an entity at all. Yeah. But in some ways it's the only entity we have. You know, it's the only thing we have is from when we're born until when we die, and that's our time.

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That's our unit of existence. It's all that anything is for us.

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Yeah. And you know, the interesting thing is like, how do we perceive time differently? Like when we were kids, five minutes felt like an entire eternity. Like I was I remember waiting when I was getting my allergy shots to get my to get a dog. I would get dog allergy shots, which sucked, by the way. You never even got the dog. I never even got the dog because I didn't finish the allergy shots. What waiting in that room for five minutes felt like the longest time I've ever been in a room, still to this day.

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Like, how when are they ever gonna come in here? I don't yeah, exactly, exactly. And the same same goes for 30 minutes. 30 minutes was like a big part of my life. I know. It was a huge unit of 30 minutes. Okay, I could watch three TV shows, I could invent a whole new game and play it by myself.

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Well, yeah, do you remember like playing like a little video game and like one level on that video game was a whole entire lifetime in a world, you know? Whereas we don't feel it exactly in that same way anymore, and it's not just the time, but it's also the experience and the immersion you got of this new world as as when you were a kid.

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I feel like that's a lot of what we're gonna be talking about. Is like, is the reason that time felt so much longer back then because we were kids, and so we just like we hadn't experienced as much time, or was it just that we were more present? Yeah, and so we were really tapped into what was actually happening in that moment. Exactly. Because with the video game thing, it's like, oh no, I'm taking in so much new information and I'm learning so much about how to do this, and I've only played three video games before, so this is m informing me about the entire universe of video games.

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Yeah, and just about what an experience as a life can be. Not not that uh your experience is like exactly like a video game, yeah, but it it shows you an entirely different aesthetic and world and affects your brain in so many different ways.

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Yeah, I mean it's a common thing that people say now is that as you get older, not only do you does the time of experience of time speed up, it speeds up exponentially. Exponentially. That's the classic V Sauce video. Yeah, that's the older you get, the faster and faster it will feel like time is going. Yeah. Uh which is kind of a scary thought. And that's one something we talk about a lot because it's pretty true feels true, right? It's pretty true.

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No matter what age you are, you feel it to some extent, right? I for us, well, I I think it started really happening uh during COVID.

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But I think for us it was also because time or it was because time stopped. Because time stopped, and it was timed perfectly for COVID to happen right when we finished high school, which is the classic, very easily, easy to wrap your head around part of life, which is you're in school and you're a kid, and then you grow up. Yeah. And then once you hit the grow up time, it's just like, okay, you're 25 immediately.

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Immediately. Yeah. It it feels like we were in COVID. Yeah. Really, truly, uh a year ago. Yeah. You know?

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Which is maybe just our weird affectation. But it all I think a lot of people feel that way thinking back on COVID. COVID was six years ago. It started six years ago.

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Think about that for a moment.

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Think about that for a second. And for those of our younger audience, you're probably like, yeah, I was I was four when COVID happened. Also, how happy 10th birthday. Exactly.

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I was gonna say, do you think a 10-year-old listens to our podcast? Maybe. Maybe. Um shouts out. We should stop with those swear words.

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Yeah, you stop cussing so much. But yeah, I think obviously in our videos we're always very hopeful and are talking about the the good in life and how to find the silver lining and stuff. But and so maybe people will think that we're very chill with how we think about time and aging and getting and things going faster. Very zen, right?

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Yeah, and and we go a lot uh about a lot of our lives in a zen manner. We try to at least. But when it comes to time, I think we're both very like when I when I'm going to the bathroom, right? Or when I'm going to P. Yeah, right, go ahead. I will time the flush exactly with exactly when the stream stops. Yeah. So I I just want to make the most use of my time. Yes. So I I I time it perfectly and then I bolt out of the bathroom.

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And me, like I did do this thing occasionally where I'll like sit down with my notebook and plan out the next like seven months or year of my life, yeah, minute by minute, and try to get it down to a perfect science of productivity and clarity. Right. Uh, which is me trying to like have a zen quality or a zen approach to things because like, oh, it'll be so simple and I'll just have this thing I do every day. But it's also like this deep obsession with trying to make the most of your time.

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It is. And and I remember one time you wrote you wrote down every day of your life. No, I didn't. No, it wasn't every day of your life.

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I it was the beginning of the year. I drew a grid on my on one single piece of binder paper that was had a dot for every single day in it. And I would check the dot when the day happened.

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And it of the year of uh or of your life. It was the year. It was the year. It was the year. Okay. And but something was still just because it wasn't that many days. It wasn't that many days. And you and you realize that when you take a note down like that. And because a day now a day's doesn't feel very long. Truly, all you have is a day. And that's like a weird thing.

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Well, all you have is a moment. Yes. Is the moment right now. Well, in a way, I think it's it's fun to put that is that there aren't days and nights and months and years. There's just one long day. There's no moment when it goes bing. It's tomorrow. Welcome to tomorrow. It's when the rooster crows. Yeah. There's just this constant flow of time that when you get obsessed with it, you can kind of start to like look for it. Like, where is this time going? Yeah. You try to like find a way to slow it down. Right. And so even though we might feel seem like these chill guys, when it comes to time, we're like two screaming Muppets. Like it's what's happening?

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Exactly, exactly. We're not like so obsessed with optimization. I think we fell briefly into those rabbit holes of we meet we need to make every second count and need to be working constantly. Yeah. And need to be so creatively and physically and yes, using my time, right? I think we we do a good job of also living life as well. Um but yeah, creatively, yes, we do really push ourselves and we really work hard on these vis videos and this podcast, and um, I hope it shows. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah.

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But yeah, I think we're definitely we're similar. We're kind of hustle culture adjacent. Right. But also trying to use that hustle culture to make art about how you just need to be in the moment and not hustle too much. Yeah, yeah, which is a weird contradiction in some respects, but in the weird way, it's like of we're the ones who are going to make the art about that because we're the ones who kind of have enough hustle mind to make enough art to get out there. Right. But it's not hustle.

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That's that's the big clarification, right?

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Our videos are the best when it just comes naturally. Yeah. And it's a creative flow of just enjoying to make this art and communicating some message we have to say. When you put yourself in a really strict regiment of like, I'm going to work at this time, and then I'm gonna have tea before that, so I have a good work mode, and then I'll have a slight break because yeah, I need to be Zen for a second, but then I'm gonna work more.

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Right. When it's so structured like that, it doesn't become actually living, it becomes you're a machine.

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And you're following this checklist, and that can feel really good for a while because it gives you this hold of your time.

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It does, it does. And routine is a really useful thing, especially in like struggling times when you're, I don't know, struggling with mental health issues or otherwise. Routine and structure is a great way out of that.

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It's a lifeline. Right. Because when you feel like there's no sense to life and you feel that time just wandering aimlessly and slipping away. Right. A really good way to get a hold of that is by giving yourself some structure you don't need to think about, you don't need to worry about. It's like, no, I will go on a jog in the morning and then I will have I will make breakfast for myself this morning.

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Yeah, specifically, you know, I I will like make an egg, eat some granola, yeah, and I will have it this way or meal prep for a week. Yeah. Know what you have to eat, you know.

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In some of my darkest moments, I got such joy out of going, okay, when I I'm done with school and I'll I'm back in my apartment, I'll put my keys in this bowl, and it gave like a structure to my and rhythm to my day. Yeah. To where I was like, oh, well, if that's there, then maybe I can be okay.

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Right, right, exactly. Yeah, I I I know exactly what you mean. But being Zen doesn't really change the fact that time is slipping away, regardless. You know, not and it's not slipping away. Time just is. Yeah. Right? That's what we want to get to, being Zen and so on. Yeah. But you realize you're still gonna turn 25. Yes, yeah.

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You know, my birthday's in four days, five days. And I think that's a really funny feeling because in my early 20s, which is such a weird thing to say, because I'm turning 25, I can say back in my early 20s.

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Yeah. Um I mean, I'm in my mid-20s, what am I saying?

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We both are. In my moments of panic and of worrying about how fast my life was gonna go, yeah, and how I was really I was really scared of that. And because I was so, I think, hustle-minded, and I wanted to get this done by this age and get this done by this age, but also who the hell was doing that? No one. Just me. Just me being hard. There were a couple people, but be me being hard on myself.

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Right, yeah.

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And the thing that gave me peace was oh, if I can let go of my white-knuckled grip on life, yeah, if I can let go of this teeth gritted, I'm going to make the best of life, it's gonna be the best thing ever, and it's gonna go perfectly, and just find some zen and some peace in the moment, then I will be okay. Like that's how I'm gonna be okay. Right. And and that's the truth of it. That's how I felt my deepest feelings of peace. That's how I've come to terms with these more difficult things of life. But that part of my brain that wants that that certainty, which I thought it maybe had gone away or had eased, yeah. But no, it just latched onto okay, zen and peace, and and finding the peace in the present moment. That's how I'm not gonna turn 25, that's how I'm not gonna get older, that's how it's not gonna slip away.

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Time is ev not ever relenting, you know.

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It's never it will just keep going even when you're feeling happy, even when you're in the moment, the time passes along anyway. Yeah. That's this weird thing, like, because of course it wasn't gonna stop time, but it's been a learning process of seeing, okay, Zen isn't about reaching enlightenment and entering a timeless state. Yeah. Zen and peace is ups accepting this is change, this is this flowing state of change.

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Exactly. And and I think part of the the biggest thing for me at least was in those moments when we would just sit in the woods and stare into nothing and just be. You realize you're not wasting time. Time isn't you know a rope you're trying to pull to the end to. Or sand that's running out. No, no, time is an accumulation of knowledge and uh of experiences and culture and life. Yeah. Right? You're not losing something, you're gaining it. It's just a different way of thinking about it, but it really changes things.

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We have that video of us on the beach, it's like with sand slipping together.

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Exactly. It's just like that.

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And it's this frame shift of going, okay, is this how much time I have, and it's spilling out, and then when my hands are empty, it'll be gone? Or is it the little pile of sand that gathers beneath that running sand that becomes what you are? It's a growth rather than a loss.

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So you're saying you're turning twenty-five. Yes, I am. What does twenty-five feel like to you?

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Twenty-five feels like twenty-four and twenty-three and twenty-two and twenty-one. Okay. And honestly, down to I think like two? Two.

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That's just not true. No, but in a weird way, I mean, it is the same life experience you're having, but your perception and your literal physical body changes throughout this time, you know? What does that mean?

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I will say, if there's any difference to being in my mid-20s versus my early twenties, so you're so young. I'm so young. Yeah, like there's this feeling that it's maybe it's not being okay with change and uncertainty. Yeah. It's just this if anything, it's a certainty of like, oh yeah, this is what it feels like to be me. Because in a certain way, there is through your teens and into your early 20s, you are constantly changing who you're supposed to be, who are you, right? Where do you fit into the world? How are you gonna find a way through the world? But then when you get a little, even if it's just like your mid-20s, you're like, okay, I at least I at least know what half of my twenties are going to be. That's a pretty good chunk of my life.

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And do you think your identity is more concrete as an adult? Or because I think there are periods in my life where I go, okay, this is actually how I am, right? Yeah. And and I'm wearing Angry Bird shirts, and that's me, right? And or or now I'm wearing wide-legged jeans versus skinny jeans, right? And that's my identity.

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Obviously, I've always wanted to wear skinny jeans, but it's I never was doing that before because I wasn't cool enough, but now I'm confident so I wear skinny jeans.

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Why wear skin skinny jeans, and that's what my character is, right? Yeah. Is that do you think it's another form of that?

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No, I don't see it as much as identity being solidified. I think it's more a weird, truly like neurochemical balancing in some way. Yeah. Of just like you kind of mellow out a little bit.

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You're not producing as much testosterone.

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Yeah, I'm ready to settle down in a walking chair. I could be totally making this up and just like feeling chill lately. But it is something that I've been thinking about. Like there's this calm and just yeah, more, more level-headed feeling rather than, and I'm sure I will go through more periods of my life where I'm like, oh no, never mind. That was just I was in a chill period of my life.

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Yeah. Yeah. Getting into hard candy. Yeah.

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Um, like I like when I'm 30, I'm gonna get super into Zots.

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You aren't into them right now?

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No, but I'm gonna be a little 30. You know Zots? They're like I love Zots. They're carbonated candy. Uh they're like And with citric acid in them, so they're really sour in the middle.

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I'm sure. But they're awesome. They're great. They have them in little claw machines. Oh, I remember that. But back to time. Back to time. But I think, yeah, 24 in across culture and society, you like have this hint of okay, he's still 24, he's still trying to figure things out. By 25, you go, no, this guy should be That's just a dude. That's just a dude. That's just a dude. Which isn't always shouldn't be the case. We're not constantly trying to figure stuff out, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, I don't think that you should ever just experience expect someone to be finished developing themselves and learning by the time they're 30 or 40 or 50. Like it's that's what the process of life is. It's self-expression and self-discovery.

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That's why we have midlife crisis. You always, you know, you get to 50 and you go, I've got everything I thought I wanted, and something's still not here inside of me.

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Let me go back to No, but yeah, let me go back to what I thought I was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_03

As a child, you know, I I wanted, I really loved these cars as a child. Yeah. I loved so you get a Corvette and you realize you're driving that around and you're just Or you always wanted to have lots of muscles.

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So you go on TRT and Yeah, yeah, and you get really aggressive. Yeah. And you yell at me when I'm in traffic. All just to say is maybe the reason we're talking about time right now is because it's my birthday. So it is almost his birthday. Yeah, so maybe maybe leave a comment and say happy birthday, Thomas.

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I should say that.

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Yeah, actually, say it right now.

SPEAKER_03

Oh. And a little did you guys know it's actually today is Thomas's birthday.

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Well, at the end of the week, his 25th birthday.

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Yeah. Yeah. 24, 25.

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You're still just a little guy, a little being moving through the world. And same when you're 40. You're just a little creature. Yeah. And it's so easy to fall into those routines. And a lot of people say that's why life actually speeds up and why time speeds up is because as we age, we fall into hard, fast routines of our life. Because it's what we're comfortable with, you know. It feels good to be in a routine, but it's the lack of novel experiences and new things coming into our lives that makes the years rush by and kind of blend together because they're all pretty similar.

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Right, right. And you know, to be fair, you get more experience of the entire world as you grow up because you're just of this accumulation of time. Yeah. So it's gonna speed up regardless, right?

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Yeah, even if you you might just be kind of getting used to being on Earth and you're just like, yeah, I kind of get it.

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Yeah. Yeah, but these novel experiences of like learning to scuba dive or learning to play the bongos. You know? The bongos are a great way.

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Or getting a water pick instead of using floss.

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Is that what you asked for for your 25th birthday? I was thinking about getting one. They seem fun. I have one. You can have it if you want. I feel like it's weird to share one. So, you know, that is. No, we could share.

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But that's so much of what we do in our videos and in our book and everything, is try to wake people up out of that numbness and being so used to life that it kind of just flies by you. But like right now, we're sitting in this little green field with a beautiful hill behind us underneath an oak tree that's covered in moss. And even we've been here for 35 minutes.

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And what does time feel like right now? No, no, no, truly. I I I'm I'm curious. Like, what does time feel like to you in this moment right now? It's strange. You know, if you really try and think about what time feels like, it feels like right now. Yeah. You know?

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Well, there's no way to say what time is because time isn't separate from us.

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No, time is our experience.

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And I mean, we're it's a little bit different right now because we have a microphone recording us and a clock running. But when you're out in nature, you have a very different experience of time than when you're uh on your work day or in civilization or in traffic because you're not surrounded by constant reminders of the process of time chugging along and the day going from thing to thing to thing to thing. When you're just sitting under an oak tree like we are right now, you just you're just there. And there isn't a timer going between this meeting and the next meeting, or this class and the next class, uh, or just how long you've been sitting there looking at your phone.

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There is the sun. I mean the sun is literally which is a clock telling you when the day is going to end. But yeah, there is a simpleness to to the way it just is right now.

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Okay, but if you had a time machine classic podcast question. Classic podcast question. But it's something like that's deeply tied to how we think about our lives. That like once something is done, it is forever done. Yes. Like you you can't go back and and buy Bitcoin in 2012. But if you did, your life would be a completely different life. Completely different and perhaps more miserable than it was. Probably way worse.

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Probably buying uh what were you buying back then?

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A lot of Pokemon Go coins.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But if I had a time machine, this is kind of similar to the movie About Time, which is about a time travel trap time traveling family. It's very sweet. Uh I would think I might just like loop some nice days. Like I would just travel back in time to experience a nice day again.

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Which day?

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Today.

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Today. I like hanging out with you, man. Hell yeah. I think there's one we Both look back towards as like the most transcendent day ever, which is when we went to Tanita's Beach. Yes, this was long time ago now.

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We biked to the beach and sat out on the beach meditating for the biggest.

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There were these giant pelicans, like hundreds, if not thousands, of giant pelicans, just all around the beach. Um you found uh beers that were buried there? I found beach beers, yeah, and this is before we could drink legally. Yeah. So I I they were glistening in the sun. It was a six pack of Modellos, and I don't even drink anymore, but it was like beach beer.

SPEAKER_02

And I I never drink. Yeah. And you're like, come on, drink one, drink one. I was like, no, and then you drank when you're like, yeah, it's skunked.

SPEAKER_03

It's it was spicy for some reason. We uh meditated on the beach, yeah, we did yoga. Yeah. And it was one of those coming of age moments out of you know a coming of age film that just feels like, oh, we're leaving something behind. Yeah. And we're going towards something else.

SPEAKER_02

And I think about that day, and I don't even like it wasn't like it was this crazy big day. Like we biked all the time, we went to the beach all the time. It was a long bike ride, to be fair. But I think it was just like we were both on the beach, we're like, this is kind of weird. Like, why does it feel like this? Yeah. It felt magical. It felt magical, it felt transcendent. There was not a single other soul on this whole huge beach.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, it we were really with this beautiful nature that we've always grown up in. And something was just, yeah. Nice about that.

SPEAKER_02

If you were to like have to live a day over and over and over again, that wouldn't be a bad day to do. No, not at all. So often when you go out into nature, you're expecting to be like transformed or changed. Like when I go into nature, I'm often like, I feel so stressed, I feel so worried. Go and go to nature. I need to cure me of my L's. Save me. Cure me. Yes. But sometimes like it just won't give you that. Because it's just it's just emptiness, it's just peace, it's quiet. Yeah. And so if you're so loud on the inside, you're gonna be loud out there too. Yeah. Uh but then occasion occasionally if you keep showing up, but it will wow you. Sometimes it will just click and you'll be like, oh yeah, this is what I've been needing.

SPEAKER_03

And it doesn't have to be the most beautiful thing you've ever seen, though. That does help. But when it it it could be the most mundane day when the trees are so barren, there's no leaves and everything's dead, and you look at a tree, a dead tree, and realize, wow, this is just like me. You know?

SPEAKER_02

Um or the silliest thing, you can look at you can look at a kind of normal middle afternoon sky with a few clouds, and just have the feeling, oh, I'm gonna be okay. Yeah. Yeah. And your life can turn on that axis. Exactly. And because this is an episode about time, all those things happen in time.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, they do. Getting back on topic.

SPEAKER_02

I j I mean, I think it's a good thing that time travel doesn't exist. Yeah. The way that things go uh in in your life is kind of the way they were always going to go, and that there's kind of a beauty to that. And I wouldn't want to change so much of that. If anything, it would be to go back and experience something or to talk to a loved one or to Yeah, to tell yourself something, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Or to have that conversation you never had, you know, that you've thought about in your head. But I'm I'm, you know, in so many ways I'm glad that conversation with either that loved one or friend or someone you felt like you've wronged instead of a lot of people. Yeah, or a past relationship. Or a past relationship.

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Once you've said something or not said something or not had the conversation, you'll never get the chance because that that moment is gone. Right. And I mean you can see them at a separate occasion and tell them then. But then you can have the conversation and say what you need to say if you still have this person in your life. But there's something that we're uncomfortable with that, the fact that the past is gone to us and that the future is inaccessible to us. Yeah. Uh we can't just control exactly how we want the past and the future to go. And I think so often we get obsessed by that, and that's why we're not in the present, because we're either regretting the past or wishing we could go back to the past or trying to think forward to plan our future like I do, or to like be so worried about what's gonna come down the come to come come in from the future. Yeah. Um that we're never really just like right here under an oak tree.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Time is one of the things where it's you know, it's it's perhaps the only thing we have. Yeah. The only thing we truly own is this little time on earth. Um and that is so scary to say, yeah, but it's really beautiful to actually be in the moment and feel that and feel grateful for the actual moments we're experiencing with each other and with ourselves.

SPEAKER_02

You can almost think about it like not like we have time, but we are the time that we exist. Right. Like that is our thoughts and our feelings take place and we feel them over time. And the experience of being a mind and being a a person thinking is an experience across time.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

And I think people have all sorts of different ways to try to structure that and make the most of it, or try to make it feel like it's lasting longer, or make it last longer, uh, or get the most out of it. We have this whole video about trying to make time slow down that we're gonna make one day, hopefully.

SPEAKER_03

Um after this video about the self finally comes out.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. And we kind of kind of break up the ways people wrestle their time into their control into three different sections that we're gonna go through now.

SPEAKER_03

Our first section is just like we were talking about at the beginning of the podcast, time gets exponentially faster in our perception as we age. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02

And I think the first thing we thought of when we thought of why it's speeding up so much is we don't have that structure anymore from school and that we had from the ages we were five years old to twenty years old. Right. Even though when you're a kid, you don't really like it because you're kind of you're required to do it. Yeah. But you get to do so much fun stuff in a day. Yeah. That by the end of the day, of course you're gonna lay down and sleep so well and not worry about a thing. Right. One, because you're a kid, and two, because you've seen all your friends, you've talked to five crushes. Right. You've played five crushes. Yeah, you're a Casanova. You you've played both football at lunch and ultimate frisbee, um, NP. It's not just the structure of each day. Like you're saying, it's like you're saying, it's the structure of the year. The fact that even when a a random three weeks goes by and nothing changes, you're moving towards something. You're moving towards being done with fifth grade and exactly.

SPEAKER_03

And I think partially like setting goals for yourself and whether it's again learning the bongos, yeah, uh, that's a very good one to learn.

SPEAKER_02

Everyone should learn.

SPEAKER_03

Everyone should learn the bongos. Yeah. Um, or again, it's a hobby, or it's setting a goal and work for yourself, like achieving a certain thing. Yeah. Or it's, I don't know, setting a PR on on your bike ride or climbing a new grade. Yeah. It's setting these goals for yourself, allow you to experience time in these ways and tell yourself you've done something, right? And even if you don't accomplish that goal, you know, keeping track and seeing where you have improved or not improved is a way to experience time as well.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's a good thing to try to pursue the same kind of progression and structure to a point. But I think at a certain point you need to kind of mature into the realization that you can't just have a structure that gives you your peace and quiet or peace and order in life. You need to have the ability to be okay with just whatever the flow is.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and simultaneously, like these these miniature goals that you set for yourself give you that structure and mimic that in a way that like as long as you're content with just being, yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_02

I know, but I think I struggle with so often when I say, Okay, yeah, you know what, I'm chill about it. I'll just by the end of the year I want to have biked 2,000 miles. It's a chill goal. Like, if I just do my normal biking, I'll probably do it. Yeah. But then I do find myself when I set those goals measuring the worth of a day or of a week with did I hit my threshold I needed to hit to bike that many miles? Like it is just a function.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, that is true. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

But I make myself the feel bad or feel good based on this goal.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, the the trouble is with like maybe like New Year's resolutions like that specifically, are like when you give yourself a specific number to hit or something of that, which is totally arbitrary to the actual experience you want to have, which is I want to go bike, I want to be outside more, yeah, and I want to feel good at the end of the day, right? Right. When you give an actual quantifiable number, it it becomes, oh, it's just I'm I'm gonna ride down the block and and uh go back as many times as possible in order to hit this number, yeah, which doesn't really matter in in the grand scheme of things.

SPEAKER_02

I think you're totally right that when you set those numerical goals and you start to value the goal more than the actual process, which you're trying to, which you know is the thing you actually want, yeah. When you you can lose sight of that real thing and just chase the goal and chase the number, that's kind of what so many people do in real life. They they have these signifiers of value or of success or of a good a life well lived, whether that's money or years at a job or whatever it is, and they'll get obsessed with chasing the those signifiers of value rather than what they really represent, which is a life well lived.

SPEAKER_03

And which is the quintessential quarter life crisis or the midlife crisis.

SPEAKER_02

That's exactly that's the midlife crisis with them going, okay, so I got all these points towards my goal, but am I not feeling better?

SPEAKER_03

Like, I don't do concrete new New Year's resolutions necessarily. Like, I'll I'll set them with friends. Like, we want to do these experiences by the end of the year, which is great. But I know I have artistic and personal goals I want to hit, and doing it in a time frame for me just to some extent fills me with anxiety when I do it and dread. Yeah, yeah, which you you can definitely relate with. Yes, I totally do.

SPEAKER_02

But I think for me it's a constant battle of going, okay, yes, it fills me with anxiety and dread, but maybe if I just did it this time it would work.

SPEAKER_03

You reach the biking goal and go, yeah, I hit it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And so it was full of this all of this anxiety and dread for no real payoff. Right. I was like, oh, I did that so I would bike more, but the whole time I was just going, okay, I'm getting points. I'm getting points. And the the metaphor of how many miles I want to bike every year is is a metaphor for so many things in life. It brings to the next kind of section of how how you can try to make time feel longer and last and be more.

SPEAKER_03

Which is doing hard things, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and putting yourself through a difficult situation or something dis like uncomfortable that stretches out time in a way.

SPEAKER_03

W instantly your brain goes to physical. Like you can put yourself through strenuous exercise, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like think of how long 30 seconds or a minute doing a plank feels compared to 30 seconds just sitting here right now listening to this.

SPEAKER_03

But simultaneously, you could go out to, I don't know, a bar or a grocery store and strike up a conversation, right? Yeah. And that 30 seconds in which you're trying to find the right things to say and make someone laugh, that also feels like a completely different form of time.

SPEAKER_02

It stretches out into a whole period of your day. And I mean, when we talk about this, we always talk about you guys might know this guy on the internet, his name's Andrew Huberman. Right. Um, who's like a big proponent of random stuff like you know, pushing yourself and ice baths and which is uh funny because or Andrew Huberman is specifically funny because I and we haven't told this on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03

No, we haven't. That's one of the first days after we shot the banana slug video, beforehand, we wrote this whole document out about our first long form video essay. Yeah, right? Which was this dissection of the manosphere, yeah, sort of quote unquote.

SPEAKER_02

Focusing on the optimization of life through the lens of Andrew Huberman videos. Yeah. We we like some of the stuff. Like some of the stuff that it's about. You know, it's about pushing yourself and trying to improve life, and that those are kind of good things.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but I think there's an extent of that which can become toxic and too obsessed with numbers, just like what we're talking about. Jinx, jinx. Um, but as we're talking about this video essay and getting really into it, we're driving in this car.

SPEAKER_02

And I see that there's a black truck ahead of us. Like, this guy's obviously on his phone, he's swerving so much.

SPEAKER_03

Swerving out of the lane.

SPEAKER_02

And I was like, oh, I gotta pass this guy. And so like I kind of get a couple lanes over and I'm passing him. I look in the window of this truck, and it's Andrew Huberman.

SPEAKER_03

We're passing him as we're talking about this video.

SPEAKER_02

We've passed a thousand cars. Yeah. We've passed a thousand cars, it's LA traffic. And I look in the one the one window I look in, it's the guy we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we'll call him out on this. Allegedly, according to the city, allegedly, he's an alleged He has his AirPods in while he's driving. And he's on a meeting. And he's holding his phone up like this. Dude, the mic is in your airpods. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

The mic's in your airpods. You don't need to talk into your phone. Um this is all alleged. Alleged.

SPEAKER_03

And he's swearing through traffic, but I have a photo of him.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, that's true. It was the weirdest little like wink from the universe.

SPEAKER_03

From the universe saying, You guys are doing something correct. You know, but we never made that video.

SPEAKER_02

We never made that video almost because of that.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. And I'm I'm glad we didn't start out doing it that way.

SPEAKER_02

Because then we made more videos that were just pure positivity, no critique. Yeah. Um, and that's what people really continue to connect with, and I think we still kind of try to keep to.

SPEAKER_03

Talking about Andrew Huberman.

SPEAKER_02

Um Because I mean the thing that I think of, the main thing I think of when I think of doing hard things to make a minute stretch out longer or five minutes or ten minutes is peptides. No, it's it's cold plunges. Because I I I don't know if I've mentioned this here. I like I'm a huge cold shower guy.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, not that much, not as much anymore. Yeah. But for a while I was like very into cold plunges and cold showers and stuff. I don't know why. I was in a weird point of my life.

SPEAKER_03

But like But it it's a some it's a similar thing to like really pushing yourself to lift weights or really pushing yourself on a run to like the brink of exhaustion.

SPEAKER_02

Like super long distance running, or all these things are kind of these self-punishing. And there's a healthy side to that, yes.

SPEAKER_03

And there's also a not healthy side to that.

SPEAKER_02

And we've certainly our biking and our hiking and our climbing has gotten to points where it's like, oh, this is a kindly kind of unhealthy side to this. Yeah. Um, because we love pushing ourselves, we love getting out there and doing really cool things, but there's a certain point where you're kind of just doing it to like go a little too far, to kind of beat yourself into submission to the point where you don't need to feel hard to do it.

SPEAKER_03

Just to be tired at the end of the day to go to bed, you know?

SPEAKER_02

To kind of like just hypnotize yourself or di dole your dole in yourself to the point where you're just tired. You're anyway, I'm gonna fall asleep now.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. But the caveat to that is it's still super important to do these things, right? And like being a little bit tired at the end of the day and feeling like you've accomplished something is good for your day.

SPEAKER_02

You should have accomplished something difficult in a day.

SPEAKER_03

In this culture where we're scrolling so much and have this easy, easy access to dopamine and candy and junk food and television, so be it, whatever it is. Whatever it is. Insanely potent sources of easy satisfaction, happy juices.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. It's a meaningful experience to go outside of there for difficult happy juices. Yeah. But it's not just happy juices, it's the experience of doing something difficult that deepens your understanding of what it is to be you and informs how you can be a better, not just a better you, but informs how to be a person a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

And it makes you actually are being a person and living something that doesn't feel artificial or somehow corrupted by a world of critique on the internet because it's just your lived experience.

SPEAKER_03

And again, like we said, it gives you a little structure to your days, like going on a bike ride for at least an hour a day. Yeah. We'll say, Okay, at least I have this. I can work work around my whole day according to this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's one moment where I know what I'm supposed to be doing with this time. Yeah. And that's a it's a good feeling, but as you can tell, we're talking about this, like it's also a hairy territory. Like you're hairy hairy territory is what I call it a nice. But because it's a really fine line between going, yes, it's good to do hard things and I feel better when I push myself. Yeah. And going, oh God, I suck because I haven't done X or Y or Z. Like it's oh I my day is pointless because I didn't do a super difficult thing, right? Like, which is true.

SPEAKER_03

Like being on a planet or being existing on this rock floating through space. Yeah. Check out our book. Um is is difficult in itself, right? It it can be in some respects, but it's also a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_02

And yeah, it it's about all of these experiences are to serve some part of some part of you. Yeah. And if they stop serving you, or if you're using them to just be more and more hard on yourself, it's no longer a good use of your time. So, yes, this is one way to, let's say, optimize your use of time. It's to optimize your use of time. You exactly. You have a really strict running schedule and you're training for this triathlon and you cold plunge at this time of day, and then you uh drink this green juice at this time of day, and you optimize and you take the right supplements and you and you do the right amount of push-ups and you stretch just the right way, and you you hone yourself into a perfect weapon, and you don't have any worries, and you're never gonna grow old and die. Right. That's the kind of promise of it.

SPEAKER_03

And it's like anti-aging as well. Like I'm gonna prolong this um inevitable demise, right? I I don't know if we resolved that thought really, did we? Yeah, not quite. Not quite.

SPEAKER_02

Because it's not a really a resolved thought.

SPEAKER_03

It's not really resolved thought. Like it's it's important to it's important to push yourself, but you can go too far with it, is yeah, the thought. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And it's important to push yourself and you can go too far with it. And also, it doesn't change that time will pass and that you only have so many days.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right. And simultaneously, a thing that puts time in perspective is change. Yeah. It is whether it's going on vacation or um getting a new job or maybe doing something you're uncomfortable with, yeah, like socially, right? And the good thing about like going and experiencing these new things is you meet uh these different people who all have this different experience of life and this culture and this way of going about this thing we all share, which is time, right? And you see, oh, some cultures, you know, ha are super relaxed, yeah. Super relaxed, and you you adopt this like very laid-back lifestyle. Yeah. And maybe you go to Japan and you then you go, you know. Time is really of the essence.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and you got a power walk in these train stations. Right. But it's also that period of you know, going uh traveling for two weeks gives your whole year a different feeling. Like if you know, yeah. By by this point in April, I would usually be going, Oh man, I haven't done much with this year. I'm usually I'm feeling like it's running out. But since we went out of the country on a trip, I'm like, okay, I guess I did something with the year, because it that feels like a really long period of time.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because when things are changing or when you're going through something new, that time kind of stretches out, whether it's something new new positively, like you're in college for the first time, or it's going through grief in a very negative way, like that those periods feel long.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Because you're going through grief take I mean feels like a very long time in the moment.

SPEAKER_02

You're becoming accustomed to what what is my life now? What what am I like here? What am I doing here?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's it's and in some ways it's a new birth of a new you, right? Yeah. Um, which is a scary thing.

SPEAKER_02

But some of those darkest periods in my life, I remember thinking that I can't believe how long this week is. I can't believe how long two weeks is. So that's the way to extend your life. Just go through constant grief. Well, that's that's how long uh that's how like what we're saying. This whole section is suffering and difficulty makes time stretch out. Yeah. It's like, what is grief and sadness but a plank of the soul?

SPEAKER_03

A plank as in a push uh uh exercise.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's like doing a plank. Time feels different when you're learning the bongos. Right too.

SPEAKER_03

Like truly. No, truly, truly. Like when you yes, are are thinking about time in in a different terms where it's like you you have a metronome playing, right? And you're feeling what 120 bpm feels like. That you know feels so natural to us because that is how we divide up our days, right? Which is a really interesting concept to think about.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there's a whole thing you could do about how arbitrary time is.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, our yes, time is so arbitrary, but it is odd that we just decided that most of our songs are in 4.4 and are to 120 bpm, right? It's how we divide up our minutes. You know that second feeling so well that we decided to do our songs, you know? Yeah. Um, staying alive. BGs. That's also how you do CPR. It is. That's a weird Andy.

SPEAKER_02

You like you you drum, like you learned drumming from the time you were a child. That's good context for this.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but uh, it's it's any instrument, really. Yeah, um, it's it's learning any one of these instruments as a way of understanding time more, is a really interesting way to think about it.

SPEAKER_02

Not in the macro, but in the micro of this moment. Yes. Like how do we divide this time? Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

And how does that that specific note and that specific time, that specific hit feel compared to the rest, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, and all pitch is the pitch of a note, right, is the frequency across time of of a wave.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. Exactly. And all that music is and all that art is is the way we color time, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's a movie is a decoration of 90 minutes that we go, okay. For this 90 minutes, I'm not me. I'm Iron Man. I am I'm Ryan Gosling driving a car.

SPEAKER_03

Um boys' movies. I'm a boy. Uh Barbie Ferrytopia. Yeah. Yeah. For this moment. For this moment, I'm bibble. Put up bibble. Put up bible. I love bibble.

SPEAKER_02

Um but yeah, and music is the best example of this of just we're living our lives and we want that time to be pretty, and so we make music to to experience joy across time. Yeah. That feeling across time.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, thinking about it in times time in terms of BPM and time signature, and having like these time signatures, like you're counting in seven all of a sudden, and you feel this like uneasiness, but realizing it is the same flow and rhythm of life. Yeah. You know, is a really beautiful, transcendent sort of feeling.

SPEAKER_02

This reminds me of a section in our book that we write about one single second of time. And how the life can feel so big and scary, and especially when we think about the unknowns of the future and what's going to happen to us and what's going to happen to our family and the world. It's you can go crazy on trying to think about what's going to happen, what what what will the future hold. But it's kind of comforting to think about that everything your life holds can only come at you one instant at a time. Yeah. It can only come at you in this one little second that we know so well.

SPEAKER_03

We've talked about ways to slow time down, but perhaps the best way to experience time and really slow it down is to do nothing at all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's I mean, people do it with meditation, people do it uh with a moment of silence. People do it when they're trying to fall asleep and they feel their heart beating in their chest as they can't quite get to sleep. Yeah. I think a good way to introduce this next section, which is doing nothing, is for us to sit here and just do nothing for a minute and uh and do nothing. Absolutely nothing. So sit with us, Jack. You do the same. So yeah, that's a minute.

SPEAKER_03

Wow. Kind of fun, right? That was crazy. That was only thirty seconds.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe it was four seconds. You're going crazy. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, a minute can feel like an eternity.

SPEAKER_02

Sometimes when I'm feeling very overwhelmed, I will just sit quietly with some open space and some open time and kind of let myself breathe in. Okay, as crazy as life feels right now, I am just here in this moment. Yeah. It isn't that scary because it's just a moment breathing.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right. And when you isolate yourself down to just the breath, experiencing time and breathing in and out in a certain BPM. Yeah. Right. That's all you have to be. You know, you don't have to have these nervous thoughts.

SPEAKER_02

Suddenly the past kind of fades away. Yeah. And the future stops being so scary because you're right here. The only thing you can ever actually be. The only time that you ever get to experience is the one moment you're here in right now.

SPEAKER_03

The eternity of the now.

SPEAKER_02

But there is an eternity right here in this one moment. Yeah. And maybe we can't experience it, experience it exactly. But it does feel good to me knowing it's there. Yeah. Like there is an uh infinitely divisible peri period of time between these two words I'm speaking.

SPEAKER_03

We think that these seconds are always going in one direction all the way to a singular point. But when you look at time on a spatial scale, that's not actually what time is, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you picture a number line, but time's actually like a dimension. It's a dimension. It's very strange.

SPEAKER_03

It's hard to really wrap your head around because it's all we can experience is is this line, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we're hurtling forward no matter what we do.

SPEAKER_03

So we think.

SPEAKER_02

Because let's, yeah, let's get some kind of physical cosmic here. Yeah. We've got three dimensionals, three dimensions of space. Right. Um, up, down, left, right, and the other one. And then you have the fourth dimension. Oh, oh, bug on my face. You have the fourth dimension. Which is time. Uh, and time is different. It's not a you're having a battle over here. I'm finding a bug. Uh get away from me. Uh time is different because it's just a bug. It's just a bug. Time is different because it's it's a dimension across time that seems to only move forward or only goes one direction.

SPEAKER_03

But when you zoom out and go to the long, like farthest, you know, corners of the universe. Yeah. Let's look through our telescope here. You're seeing that red glowing star in the distance. Yeah, let's look through our telescope. Let's look through our telescope, and you're looking at that red glowing star in the distance, and you'll see that that star is still there providing light.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But that star could be long gone.

SPEAKER_02

It could have gone supernova a million years ago. Yeah. And we're still just seeing the light glowing through the sky.

SPEAKER_03

And we're did you know only one hour in like 44 minutes or something have passed on the interstellar planet since it's been released? Anyway, fun fact. Fun fact. I don't even know if it's that long. No, I I think it was. Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02

All of this just puts into perspective how strange our experience here really is. Because it can seem very simple and sensible when you're like, yeah, I'm this many years old, I have five hours left till I go to bed. But we're just little points in space experiencing a strange phenomenon, which is the reality of space-time and the universe. And when we're talking about time, it's easy to skip over that part because we don't quite understand it. But it's kind of a big part of it. Yeah. Uh because if you think about space and time as a dimension and you start to think about time rather than a line as more of a box, picture it as like a a space to move through. Then the number line isn't just a number line that's running right through you or you're running along. All of a sudden, all the moments of your life are just existing in this empty space of all the moments that ever were and ever will be. And so they're always kind of still happening. Your yesterday and your day before and all the other days aren't gone. They're just existing. Out there somewhere. Yeah. Uh or out there right here with you.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that doesn't really make sense. And we know that, but maybe that's the point.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_02

My back is like spasming. Oh no, I think my back's like going out.

SPEAKER_03

Oh. Thomas is on the ground now because his back is spasming. But this has never happened before. In this period of time, we're gonna talk about some time jokes. Um our favorite times. Ow. So for this section of the podcast, we're gonna talk about our favorite time.

SPEAKER_02

You need to carry me.

SPEAKER_03

My first favorite time. You need to carry me back to the car. You seriously think so? You're fine. You're just spasming. What the hell? See, how are you experiencing timing right now?

SPEAKER_02

It feels so long. Do some time jokes. I'll be back here laughing at them.

SPEAKER_03

Do you have time jokes?

SPEAKER_02

No, no, I don't have any time jokes. You don't have any our favorite times? We have favorite times. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I can do that. What's your favorite time? Okay. Uh one of my favorite times is um the between Christmas and New Year's. It's a really weird period that doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I'm thinking about it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. What's your favorite time of day?

SPEAKER_02

That moment when you're certain that you're going to sneeze. The moment when you kind of like know that a sneeze is sneaking up on you, uh, but you don't quite have it yet. But then the moment that you go, oh no, I'm definitely gonna sneeze.

SPEAKER_03

I like that moment. Like yeah, sometimes a sneeze feels really good. Yeah. Favorite times of day. 6 45 a.m. in spring. You still have a crisp fog outside, you're still up and atom before everyone else, and there's a freshness and the newness to the world that really gives you a day's structure.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I'm gonna go with that moment when the door opens uh and you get a little gust of cool air in a stuffy room.

SPEAKER_03

That's nice.

SPEAKER_02

Kind of a good time, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

What's next for you?

SPEAKER_03

Naked time. Naked time preserve this time of the day for when I just can be naked. Uh at least it has to be 30 minutes. And no, don't get any dirty ideas floating around in your head. You just gotta hang out and maybe do some work on your taxes. Sip a cup of steaming hot tea, or maybe do some yoga. It's beautiful. Yeah. Um you have naked time in your day?

SPEAKER_02

I don't have very much, to be honest. Uh but I have at least a few moments. You're uncomfortable with your body. No, no. My back is in agony at this moment, so I'm uncomfortable in my body right now. But okay, I will counter that with um I really a time I love is that moment when the concert is finally over.

SPEAKER_03

You just hate going to concerts.

SPEAKER_02

No, I like concerts. You like concerts. I like concerts. And I love concerts. Yeah. But there is something I feel that there's a relief, even when I really love a concert, I'm like, okay, it's over. I don't do you know what you does that resonate at all with you? Let me know if it resonates sometimes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I know what you mean. Um maybe like a slightly boring concert, but maybe But sometimes when you're in like the heat of the moment in the concert, you want it to never end. And that's the best ex concert going experience ever. It's like you're truly living in you have this experience of time like we're talking about that is just wow, this experience of time is one of the best experiences of time I've had. Yes. You know, and that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, something I I a moment I like is the moment that something is ending or andor the moment something is beginning. Uh sunrises, sunsets, the beginning song of a movie, the closing song of a movie, supernovas, black holes. You see them? Uh the birth of a star, the death of a star. The death of a bachelor. Yeah, that song where that song ends. Um but all these things, a moment of change, of flux, of entering into a new period or the conclusion of a beautiful period of time. Uh the graduation, the first day of school, they're all kind of moments of of reflection and change, and there's something special about it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, just as we talked about it's something new and and a little bit of change in your life that really can give you new color, you know? Bongo time. Bongo time is a good time. Yeah. Now my knees are hurting. Macarena time. Yeah, that's good. 2 30. Better go to the dentist. That's usually when I go to the dentist. Because my tooth hurts so bad. Tooth hurting, more like. What? High five me.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, that hurt my back for the record. Sorry. Um, but thanks for listening to our talk about time. Definitely got off the rails there at the end.

SPEAKER_03

Um but hopefully you you had some good thoughts yourself. And if we have a mindfulness meditation this week, it is to go back and listen to that one minute of of where there's really nothing going on at all. Comment what that one minute feels like.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. If you're ever super stressed or feeling like you need a moment of rest, don't go to your phone or don't try to distract yourself. Just sit there with your own breath, with your own time, and uh let a minute pass uh quietly and calmly, and uh let us know how it goes. And if you made it to this part of the podcast, your word, your secret code word, uh skink.

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Skink is skink. We found a beautiful skink on the way here. Thomas pointed it out, and I picked him up. Check out this video right here.

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Check out this photo.

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It's a little video.

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Oh, yeah.

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Beautiful skink. Ain't that right? That's damn right.

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And comment that below to let us know you made it to the end. Um, thank you so much.

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And let me know if you like my hat.

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Anyway, thanks.

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We love you. Bye-bye.

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Hey man, hey man, we love you.