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Talk about local high school basketball and transition to NFL thoughts
Alright, back with another episode of four clueless dudes, minus two.
SPEAKER_01Like always.
SPEAKER_02Like always, hard to get those guys together because one of them lives so far away, and then Jeremy, he's on call every other weekend. Talk about a little high school basketball tonight. So where me and my other co-host Tim here we went to high school, our girls got beat in their first round of their sectionals and uh really looked kind of bad in that game. They tried, but they look looked uh you know, kind of bad a little bit there. Really, Gibson Southern really didn't have an outside shooter like they've had in the past years for the girls' side. What do you think?
SPEAKER_01I think you're exactly right. No outside shooting. No, in that game in particular, of course it's been a few weeks ago, there was no sense of urgency whatsoever. Uh yeah, I mean they didn't, you know, they got behind, and it was the same offense that they were running at those 20 points up. But you know, when you got down in the last three or four minutes, there was no they weren't shooting the ball. No emergency, they're just passing it, and nobody was looking for the shot. And yeah. It was their doom.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it seems like the boys, because that it's it's kind of a fresh game because we just watched it several nights ago, and uh they just got outphysicaled by uh the team called Jasper, just outphysical at every every position, and we were bigger, if not the same size at every position in that game, and they were freaking soft. There was no no intensity, and you know, I don't know, they didn't have very many open looks because you know the other team, hell, they were right up in their face the whole night.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know, Gift Sutter had three calls that you know it didn't, it didn't really cost them the game, but three pretty bad calls that they just didn't mentally recover from.
SPEAKER_01Silly shots, taking yeah, taking 35-foot three-pointers and not, you know, just not defensively didn't play very well, left their shooters open all night, the second half. Uh so yeah, there was some sus in my opinion, suspect defense. Yeah. Uh but you know, you live and die by the three-pointer, and when they're on, they're on. When they're not, it's not a very good night.
SPEAKER_02So Andy know they just they you know they shot free throws a little bit better, but you know, missed some when cruising.
SPEAKER_01I I I thought in the first half, especially the first quarter, they went in and they were they were getting the ball inside a little bit better. They were taking advantage of their height difference from the second quarter on, they just didn't, it just seemed like they just abandoned it and didn't try to do it.
SPEAKER_02Uh so you think uh got a question to ask you. You know my opinion on it, because I've said it all the time. Just want to kind of hear yours on there. Uh seems like either coast, the boys or the girls, they know how to adjust when they uh hit a little adversary.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. It's kind of hard to say they don't because we're not in the huddle. Yeah. We don't know what they're telling them. Uh I I there's been games where I thought he's adjusted well, but then there's been games that again, he may be trying to get it to adjust, and they're just not doing it. They're not doing it, yeah. You know, or whatever. But uh there's been there were two or three games this year. I thought, you know, we didn't play well the first half, and second half he made some adjustments, and yeah, and they started playing better. But uh yeah, I don't know. I don't want to come out and say don't know how to don't know what he's doing. Um don't know how to do adjustments because I again we're not in a huddle, don't know what's going on. So to God he's got coaches on the staff that you know they're helping out, and we know a few of them, so um that's my opinion on it. I think he does make adjustments, but you know, you know, they're 16, 15, 16, 17-year-old kids, and sometimes they don't get the message across real well.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, and they were you know, they were uh the boys were uh, you know, the girls, like I said, they were lacking an outside, I mean a legit out outside shooter like they had when they won their state championship. They had a girl that just didn't miss. When it came crunch time, she was money almost all the time, you know. And they've not had anything like that in a couple of years. They got that big 6'3 girl in her middle. That's the best three-point shooter they got, the best three-point shooter they got, and she was lighting it up. You know, the boys great outside shooters, but man, it seems like they need to go inside outside to kind of open that up.
SPEAKER_01And they're streaky. The the boys' guys are streaky. They're again, like I said a while ago, they're either on or they're off. Yeah, there's no in-between. Yeah, uh Schmidt played pretty decent uh uh runy. I I just he struggled, but I I thought the kid was put on defense that was in his face all night long, couldn't get a shot off, so that had a lot to do with the defense. So you know, I I thought uh Jasper played a little bit more aggressive, especially defensively. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02They were physical.
SPEAKER_01You know in the fourth quarter, you know, you you leave their you leave their shooters open three times down the floor, and then you know, boom, there you are, you're down six, eight points and trying to trying to come back, trying to come back.
SPEAKER_02You gotta foul them, you know, let them shoot free throws and they didn't miss. They didn't miss all night, so yeah. So so it is, you know, gets the southern one and done. Uh this, you know, they this was a uh rare year for that.
SPEAKER_01Rare year. Normally they don't do I mean the boys more than the girls, but the girls are always usually in the championship game, or you know, they've won they've won what three regionals in a row up until this year, so you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, a state championship, a semi-state, yeah, and three regionals. Yeah, so they they've got three sectionals, so yeah. They might be good next year, too. We'll see. They'll be back next year. Uh the boys will be even better next year than they were this year. I mean, they lose lose their point guard and they lose, you know, a guard that came off the bench that gave them a little energy, you know. He was he was uh most athletic kid on team. Athletic team, but then they, you know, I think losing the Keister boy hurt him. I mean, that's uh that's a that's a rebounder, good defender, kid can jump out of the gym. Uh I'm assuming he, I don't remember. Was he a senior? Yes. Yeah, so that that hurt. Of course, his brother, he's got a brother coming up, about the same size, not as thick, but he can jump too, so coming up, so a lot of talent coming up for the boys.
SPEAKER_01Uh girls, you know, they don't lose anything really. I mean, they lost Spindler girl, but uh I think she was the only starter, wasn't she? The two loose. Yeah, Molly. She was a good defensive player, but she couldn't. But yeah, they they've got some talent. Coming up, and they go back down to 3A, so that that'll help. Yeah. Not that it, you know, in years past they would have drummed 4A schools, but and they did last year too. But you know, it was an off year.
SPEAKER_02Just ran into the state championship team last year up there at semi-state.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh this year should have probably should have won the game, but didn't, so you know, neither here nor there.
SPEAKER_02They played a lot better against Wrights than they did in this sectional game than they did in the first game. First game, they got blitzed. Of course, when you when you shoot like 80% from the field, like Wrights did that first game, it's hard to beat any team.
SPEAKER_01It helps.
SPEAKER_02Helps a whole bunch. So I know we had because you know, we had baseball practice Wednesday. Uh coach didn't say too much. The baseball coach didn't really say too much. He kind of let me run the show a little bit and wait, and we talked a little bit about it after uh lipping weights. About mental toughness. But then he really jumped our ass Friday morning and said he was pissed after again because he sat behind the students there Tuesday, and he kind of made the same comment that I made when we were sitting there and said they weren't they they were they were quiet. Yeah, you know, they of course, you know, Jasper had double the amount of students there than we did, but because they were a lot closer. But yeah, they were quiet, and he just kind of went over the the mental toughness like I did a couple days before, but you can't let a a referee or an umpire dictate the game. You know, they're gonna be bad calls, and if you you dwell on them, you're done. You gotta let them bad calls go. Uh gonna switch gears here to uh uh uh NFL, which you know you knew you know more about the NFL than I do, just because you're a you know old football coach. So I seen where Max Crosby signed with uh uh Baltimore. Scary.
SPEAKER_01If you're if you're in if you're in the AFC North, yeah. The quarterback, uh I would be getting uh my left tackle or right tackle, or if it depends on what which way you throw the ball, left or right-handed. Yeah. Uh head on a swivel. You know, Baltimore's always got a good defense anyway, so that just makes them a whole lot better. Um if I make Aaron Rodgers think about not coming back and then.
SPEAKER_02It very well could. It very well could be. Yeah. They're gonna influence influence him not coming back and retiring.
SPEAKER_01It's possible. I mean, he's gonna make up his own mind anyway. Um yeah, it could. It could very well. I mean, I you know.
SPEAKER_02You know, I just didn't get to see him play it because you know Oakland's been so bad as a team the last six, seven years, you don't really get to see him on TV unless they're playing a good team.
SPEAKER_01He's the real deal. He is the he is the guy that uh you you talk about, you you pick a guy out, he's always gonna be the guy that you have to stop, and you're not gonna stop him, you just gotta hope he doesn't wreck your offense in the process.
SPEAKER_02I guess Tom Brady couldn't talk him in staying.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, and then they're rebuilding, so you know they got they gotta get they got two number one picks for him, so they got a lot for him.
SPEAKER_02So picking men if they if they end up picking Mendoza. Yeah. When is a draft? June? April. April. So April, yeah, next month. So yeah, they get Mendoza.
SPEAKER_01I mean, they'll I don't I didn't I didn't see, I mean, I'm sure one's this year, one's next year, I think. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, back-to-back first round picks, they said so 26 and 27. They will be so if one of them is this year, hell they'll have two first-round picks this year, then yeah.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, I mean that's the way you gotta do it. If you're gonna reload, you gotta get rid of people and trade people off and cut them, and it's it's better to trade than you than cut them because you don't get anything for them if you cut them. Uh save money, but that's it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I seen a list the other day. I was, you know, watching a little bit of just because there really wasn't much on, watching a little bit of, and I watch NFL, their morning show a little bit. Because I like to watch that Pete Trader or whatever his name is, because then he'll a lot of times he'll he'll go on uh to uh oh god, what's his name? It does it at 11 o'clock. Pat McAfee. Pat he'll go on a Pat McAfee show and talk about different stuff. But damn Joey Bosa's a free agent. Yeah, there's a big pickup somebody with peace.
SPEAKER_01I I would be surprised if Buffalo don't re-sign him. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Bradley Chubb was on that list. Why did Miami get rid of him? Money.
SPEAKER_01Money. They owed him like uh eight million dollars, I think. I think I'm not sure, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02He just don't want to play no more.
SPEAKER_01I know he wants to play. He just, you know, I mean I'm sure free agency opens up here in a couple weeks or March the first or already has or something. I don't know. Here next week, I think it opens up, so they'll be what is it?
SPEAKER_02April 5th is when they can release players in it or something like that.
SPEAKER_01Well, they can release them now, but the uh but it's cheaper if you do it.
SPEAKER_02It's cheaper if you wait till after June. June, okay.
SPEAKER_01You get more money back or whatever, you know. Uh but free agency is a week or two away starting in tampering period, they call it. Yeah. Maybe maybe he starts. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02I I should have researched it first, but Arizona was gonna release Kyler Murray. Do you think that so speaking of that, do you think that uh because it seems like we had four, five, six, seven years in the NFL where you had these little bitty, and I'm gonna call them little because I'm 6'7, 260, 270. And you know, I can remember the days in the NFL, your quarterbacks were 6'5, 240 pounds. And kind of it looked like the NFL kind of went away from that for several years, where they had your quarterbacks were 5'9, 5'10, and you know, 180 pounds. And you think that's gonna change where they're gonna go back?
SPEAKER_01Just go back. You're they're not they're you know, those those guys were okay for a while, but yeah they they just can't sustain the hits. You know, you look at Tua, you look at you look at him, uh they you know they're they just can't take hits, they're just not a lot there.
SPEAKER_02Well, and your old line's a lot bigger now than the you know, your damn old line's 6'7, 6'6, 6'7 now, and it's hard for a 5'0.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, yeah, I think it's gonna be a thing of the past here. I mean, it's you know the the runners that are uh Jackson from Baltimore, he'll he's 6'4, 6'5, and yeah, and uh skinny as a rail, but yeah, but he can he can run and he can throw and I just think it it's it's you know the teams are gonna moving on, not that Kyler Murray won't, he won't he'll end up somewhere else to play.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But will they be as good?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, no, no. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_02If you got Shadur Sanders that, you know, had uh Cleveland, you know, is he gonna how's he gonna, you know, he's a small man.
SPEAKER_01Sure he's gonna get better, but he had a rough go of it this year rookie season.
SPEAKER_02Uh but look at all the quarterbacks that have had success this year. The guy from uh Chicago, Caleb Williams, he's got what 6'3, 6'4, yeah, at least 225, 230 pounds. All bigger guys. The kid from Washington, he got hurt, but he came back. Yeah, you know, he could he was an Ohio State quarterback, wasn't he? Wasn't it Washington?
SPEAKER_01Uh you know, I don't remember.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't know. And the kid from New England, you know, he's freaking huge.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02So I mean, just big, big quarterbacks. I mean, I can remember, like I said, back in the 80s and 90s, there was no well, except for, and he he was probably an anomaly, but Doug Flutie, because he was he was just that good. He was just that good. Yeah, he was good.
SPEAKER_01If he had been six foot four, he he would probably be a Hall of Famer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, he is a Hall of Famer in Canadian football league. But you know, he he Yeah, and just like Tim Tebow, you know, what what was it what was up with, you know, because Tebow was a big boy.
SPEAKER_01He just wasn't very tall.
SPEAKER_02But six foot, six foot one, left-handed. I mean, he had a strong arm. I mean, dude's ripped now, though. He's big. So it's just yeah, I just wonder because you see, you know, the evolution of these big quarterbacks coming back, tall.
SPEAKER_01I think you'll be seeing them go back to the more conventional type quarterbacks here for a long because it's it's heading that direction. Herbert is that kind of kid, and Darnold's, you know, once he got got away from New York and got a decent offensive line around him, you know, you've seen what he how he played, he wants to revolt. So yeah, I just think they're gonna go they're gonna go back to that more conventional. Not that these guys can't play because they can. Kyler Murray's had some moments.
SPEAKER_02Success, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh Jalen Hurts plays well. He's not a big boy, but big man, but he's again, he's got an offensive line in front of him.
SPEAKER_02But I guess it's your team around you too, though, can you know make you a little better. But those little quarterbacks, you've got to get them outside the pocket a lot to uh you know, get throws off.
SPEAKER_01You can't stand behind uh in there in lines, you're literally leaving yourself open to hits. Uh so yeah, I yeah, I think you're gonna go back to you'll see more of a conventional quarterback before it's all said and done.
SPEAKER_02That's what happened to uh kid from Texas AM. Of course he he was he just he was stupid though. That uh went to Cleveland at the tail is his name. Oh Johnny Manzel. Johnny Manzel. You know, I think he I think he ended up looked like he thought he was too big for the game and you know he got quickly in light.
SPEAKER_01Didn't take him long to figure it out that he wasn't.
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SPEAKER_01No. And I don't again, I don't want to knock on him. I don't think he worked hard to do it. Um Baker Mayfield's not a big kid, not a big man, but he's he's he's got hard. He's playing, he's playing well. Yep. Um so yeah, you know, you know, it's a combination of things, but again, I I think some guys are too just too small to Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Maybe it's read defenses because you remember there was you know an Indiana kid that played at Purdue and got drafted and couldn't read a fucking defense to save his life. Remember Jeff George? Yeah. Probably had one of the strongest arms ever. Yeah. He just couldn't read a damn defense.
SPEAKER_01It just makes you, yeah. If you can't read defense, you can't go you can't go quarterback.
SPEAKER_02So it just uh I'm surprised when he was with the Colts, he didn't get killed. So, yeah. So he was a good quarterback. He was a good you know, he was an excellent quarterback. Just you know, did he not put the work in or was he just too damn stupid to read defenses?
SPEAKER_01Or I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. You know, or what?
SPEAKER_01So I don't think he was stupid, but I don't I don't I don't know. I don't I didn't keep track of him or the Colts or anything like that.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, I know you're not a big Colts fan. So no but uh well we're gonna just touch on your team because you're a big Miami Dolphin fan, so what do you what? Well, I just what's your uh what's your uh thoughts on a new general manager or a new coach?
SPEAKER_01So far, so good. Uh I don't like what I heard today. Uh again, it's a rumor uh to get rid of Tua that they are thinking about well no a team that was interested in Tua wanted Miami to throw in a first round pick for them to take on the Tua's money.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now I'm going to say who the team was. What I read was it was the Jets. I wouldn't trade anybody to the Jets and help them out one Iota.
SPEAKER_02No, not in your conference, not in your division. Your division.
SPEAKER_01So I I don't know why the Jets would want him because he's not proved he can play in the weather.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now, I as far as the general management coach goes, I I like what I heard. I listened to him, I sit and listen to an interview the other day. He's talking about trying to build the team from the inside out, which means work on the offense and defensive lines, get them structurally sound, and then work on the skill guys, which is probably what needs to be done to begin with. Now, they're Green Bay people, so that's what they do. So we'll see. I don't think we're gonna be big on in the free agency thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So we don't have a lot of cap space, so you think uh you're gonna give Quinn yours a chance this year? I if it was me, I would. Bring in a bring in a you know uh a veteran. And but I would give your you spent the you know, you you got him for on the cheap, you know. So if you if he's if he turns out he can play, then great. You've you've got a steal. If you haven't, then okay, you you he'd be a good backup. So yeah, I I think I don't I don't know they will or not, because again, I'm not I've not heard him talk about quarterback much, so but I think they could I think I would at least give him a shot. Yeah. He he did enough in the three games I seen him play that he heard earned a chance to to start.
SPEAKER_02So he's got you know you got a good better quarterback out there that's been released from Minnesota. Yeah, you know, why not pick him up, give him league minimum, and let him train the kid.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I don't know. I think he'll want to go somewhere else, but I don't know. They were talking about Garoppolo. They might be able to get him on the cheap and he could play a little bit too if something happens.
SPEAKER_02But he ain't playing. He's still with the Raiders?
SPEAKER_01No, he is with the 49ers or the Rams. Rams.
SPEAKER_02Garoppolo's with the Rams now?
SPEAKER_01He was, yes. I I think.
SPEAKER_02I thought he was with 49ers.
SPEAKER_01Maybe I need to look on that, but or not 49ers.
SPEAKER_02I thought he was with I thought he I thought San Francisco traded him to the uh Raiders, or the Raiders picked him up free agency. I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but I thought he was with that one time he was with the Raiders.
SPEAKER_01Los Angeles Rams. Okay. So yeah, I mean, you could you might be able to get him for the league minimum or you know, a couple million year or whatever. Yeah. And if Euros can't do it, then you got a veteran in there. Uh they've already cut Tyreek. They've cut Bradley Chubb.
SPEAKER_02Uh looking, yeah, then you got two are here soon, possibly.
SPEAKER_01Yep, two will be gone. So they're gonna need a quarterback, receiver, linebackers, safety corners. You know, it's gonna be a total rebuild. So it's not ideal that you don't have a whole bunch of money because they're gonna have about 99 million tied up into two for the next year and a half, two years. Um so that's not that's not good, but you know, I don't know. I've seen teams come from nowhere to win divisions and stuff like that before.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, New England done it this year. Yeah, so they were what two and sixteen or four and fourteen last year and end up going what fourteen or sixteen and two or something like that, going to the Super Bowl with uh what second year quarterback to spent more time on his back than he did in the pocket. Well, Baltimore did that for for a couple of years where they had a quarterback that you know just said keep us in the game and the defense will win it for you. And uh somebody else, oh Seattle's kind of like that for a little, I think, wasn't they a little bit for with uh I can't think of the quarterback's name where they said just don't make mistakes and let the defense win the game for us. Yeah, which it did. Russell Wilson. Yeah. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Russ could play a little bit too. He was he could he could he was a good quarterback. He could throw BBs, so but yeah, I don't know. There's uh my take on Miami, it's gonna be a bad year for them, but because they're gonna they are so scrapped for cash, and they don't have a whole lot of draft picks. They got one one, one, two, three threes, a four, I don't think any fives, and a couple sixes. So all this year? Yeah, so that's you know some good picks.
SPEAKER_02I mean, you never know. Not a whole lot of picks. There could be some diamonds in the rough out there in the third, fourth round. You never know. So look what happened with Tom Brady. You know, he was uh you know he was a good quarter, good college quarterback, but you know, didn't I don't know that in your just honest opinion, did you ever think he'd be what they what a lot of people classify as the goat? No, I didn't. I mean it it took an injury. If it took an injury, he would never be in the game. He probably wouldn't have played much, so just sometimes that's the way it happened. Kirk Warner, you know, it just with uh you know he's bagging groceries and goes for a tryout with the Rams. You just gotta be in the right place at the right time. Yep, yeah, so and he ends up winning the Super Bowl and going to two more, I think it was. Probably should have won that one in Arizona, but damn Antonio Brown for the Steelers just made an unbelievable catch in the end zone. Yeah. So then he turned into a fucking basket case. Yeah. So yeah. Uh yeah, I hope they do good this year. You know, my Chiefs, I hope they, you know, they big injury to their quarterback Pat Mahomes last year. But ACL, so we'll see what happens. They're not uh, you know, the I think the days of the Chiefs dominating the AFC are over. Oh yeah, there's too many good teams now. Yeah, unless they can rebuild. Lender's too old, you know. Who knows if Kelsey's gonna retire or come back? And how Pat Mahomes is gonna recover from that injury. You know, he is not 25 anymore.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_02Uh, you know, Marino, your guy there when he tore that Achilles, you know, he he had the arm. He still had the arm, but he just wasn't as mobile as he was, you know, before he tore that Achilles. So of course I don't think that didn't help none that really Jimmy Johnson didn't like that kind of offense. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So he wanted to run the ball.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You got a Hall of Fame quarterback, probably the best pure passer in the game. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Probably is the best pure passer, yeah. In my opinion.
SPEAKER_02So him or Elway. That's my two picks on that. Two pure pasters, him or John Elway. I think you could have interchanged those two guys on. I think you could have put Merino on Denver or put Merino on New England. He probably won four or five championships. You know, just with the way they you know they built. So you know it is what it is. You've been watching any of the base world baseball classic? No, I've seen some of it. Not a whole lot. Yeah, it looked pretty good.
SPEAKER_01I've been watching I watched uh Japan and Korea today. Yeah, Shoe Hey. A little bit this morning before I went to work.
SPEAKER_02Man, he just unfucking real shohe.
SPEAKER_01Don't really get into baseball until it starts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then it's just kind of hit and miss for me anyway.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I watched a little bit of Canada before we decided to go out tonight. And uh, of course that was earlier, early in the morning, and you know, it just got a lot of good teams. Puerto Rico's gonna be good, Cuba's good. Of course, probably the I don't know if Japan's it's just kind of hard because you know USA's got a lot of good players on there. And so does Puerto Rico and the Dominican and Yeah, so we'll see how see how they do. So I kind of hope the USA wins it, but we'll see what happens. Like I said, Dominican Republic usually the or Japan, you know, show hey. He's not pitching though in the world baseball classic, he's hitting only.
SPEAKER_01So I score a game earlier, yeah. 13 runs.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just some of the rules they do. So, all right. Well, we're just gonna come on and touch on a little bit of sports tonight. We're gonna sign off here and everybody have a wonderful day. Yeah, and then maybe uh we can get Jeremy down and Bobby. I need to reach out to one of the other dudes and see how he's doing. He's had some personal family issues. There's a reason he hasn't been to come down, so I'm gonna kind of reach out and see what's going on here. Might do out of here in just a few minutes and see if he responds. Everybody have a good night. Peace out. Yep.