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Discuss the rivalry between our high schools then and now.
So we're uh here for another episode of four clueless dudes, and my god, we got all four of us here tonight. All four of us. Say hi, Jeremy. Hello, Timmy? Hi, Timmy. Bobby. Hi, Bobby. Hi, Mike. So we're all here. So uh we're gonna talk about a couple of things tonight. The first thing we're gonna talk about are high school rivalries, because two of us clueless dudes went to Gibson Southern, and the other two clueless dudes went to Princeton. Go tigers. Uh fuck the Tigers.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So me and Tim will all ask him, since we graduated the same year, and I think you know uh Jeremy and Bobby graduated close to the same year. So what was the rivalry like when we went to school against Princeton?
SPEAKER_00Let's put it this way. Anytime we played Princeton in anything, anything, there was a bomb scare. There was always a bomb scare called into our school. Always. Always because you guys were scared to play us and wanted to get out of here. We laughed it off the game. We laughed it off. Yeah. It just, it just, it that's how just how bad it was. But I had friends, I had friends that played at Princeton. Yeah. You know, so it didn't really, it didn't really, I mean, I I don't care for Princeton because it's not my school. So uh but I the year in '83 when they went to the state finals up there, I I fought. I went I went. Kit Taylor and I were were buddies, and and so I I went with I went to hang out with him, and it was it was pretty fun. But no, it it our the rivalry had something. It's not like it is today. There there is no rivalry to like it was. I mean, because it didn't make no difference what your record was.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you kind of mentioned Kit Taylor. That's probably was it a regional or semi-state game against Bossy that year. That was probably one of the best regional games I've ever went to basketball when Kitty Cat hit the last shot there. That was freaking awesome. Supposedly Bossy was the number one high school team in America. Well, they were. Yeah, it was. I mean shit. They had they had uh Myron Christian, they had uh Derek Dow. I mean, both those guys went on to play D1, yeah, you know, and Derrick Dow played professional basketball for a little while.
SPEAKER_01Chris Shaper, Ryan Pictor, Victor, yeah, good Brad Picker.
SPEAKER_02Ryan played a couple years later.
SPEAKER_00They had some studs. It was fun. Joe Warren, was Joe Warren? He was a freshman. He was tough. I I I remember them playing it against the Southern. Jimmy Davison was on that team, and uh they were warming up for the game, and it the place was packed. I mean, it was packed, and I was in the middle of the cheering section and I had a tiger. Yep, yeah, I had a tiger in my hand, and everywhere Kit, every time Kit would come close to me, I'd go, Here, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty. And he was laughing during warm-ups. Yeah. And he looked at me and I said, Here you kitty, and I had that tiger in my hand, and I just gripped the top, just took the head off, and shit went everywhere, you know. And he he was on the floor laughing. And I had other buddies that were playing for us, you know, and it just it just, you know, it wasn't, it's not the same now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there was nobody on that team that I disliked as a person or a player, you know, that's a robbery. I loved all those guys, played a lot of basketball against them and with them, like a those CYO leagues. I mean, Jason Q is my one of my favorite players.
SPEAKER_01Probably the best point guard. I mean, he would make anybody that was on his team good just by the way he was. Yeah. I played with him a lot at Baldon Heights when the Baldwin gym. Chuck Bridgingham, he was on that team.
SPEAKER_02My neighbor. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was he was really, really good.
SPEAKER_00I mean now it's not, it's not, you know, no. They they pretty well handle us in basketball and and there is nothing there.
SPEAKER_01And it's not as much of a rival because kids can go to school wherever they want to go to school at now. So it's not kids from Princeton playing kids from Fort Branch Hop Sot and Owens.
SPEAKER_02And then all these conference realigned.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, conference realigned. Because now our now our rival is with Harry's Hills. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because they you know they realigned you guys still 3A? Yeah. We're all still 3A for a couple years. They realigned football. We're a second.
SPEAKER_02Big school, little school. I don't they didn't do that with basketball, but now next year, uh, baseball, they they've realigned big school, little school. So it's gonna be interesting to see how that goes. Because when you guys were in school, it was the big eight, right? Yes. Big eight.
SPEAKER_00We were my I think it was our freshman year, we were still in PC. Yeah. And then we went to the Big Eight. Big Eight. Yeah. And then that's what it was when we were in high school Big Eight. Because it was we were still, we were a founding member, not a founding member, but we were a member because Branch and Hopsty were all founding members of the PC.
SPEAKER_02So that's something just and you also don't there was a couple Evansville schools that was in the pack north.
SPEAKER_00North. And there was another one that were they in the they weren't in the pack.
SPEAKER_02They were in the pack back in the 50s. Well, maybe the 50s. I mean, they were in there for years. North and Central, probably. They're in the Southern Indian athletic calls. Nowadays there was like a yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But you you're it's I I don't know how people Kristin feels about us. I I couldn't tell you. I don't know. Just don't know anymore. I mean, so there's nothing big rivalry. There is nobody.
SPEAKER_02Well, back when we was in school, it was the fucking Hick Farm people guys. Yeah, we knew them, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, have that was the thing that always got me was you know, Gibson Southern to Hick Farm people and Princeton, everybody I knew. Every Friday, Saturday night, they were all up in Princeton. Yeah. I mean, you and almost all my friends were from Fort Branch and Hopstock, so I was more people from Gibson Southern than Diffin Princeton.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, it's not it's not the same, it's not near the same as it used to be. I know that. I mean, no, it's not. It's but you know, I I can remember leaving, and I'm gonna date myself here. I was when we won the sectional the our first year in existence of the school. I can remember coming out in our I was with my aunt and uncle, and uh they had a Gibson Southern Titan uh license plate on the front of their car, and somebody ripped it off and threw it on top of the hood. Uh so I mean there was crap like that. But I it it well every year. I mean, it made no difference, especially during the football and basketball season. We had a bomb skin skin. Yeah, yeah. Wood Memorial was good back then, though. Yeah. They had good basketball. They had good basketball team back then.
SPEAKER_01Well, even still exists.
SPEAKER_00Well, there's just nothing there.
SPEAKER_02I mean, there's no I mean we don't even play them in baseball this year because they're not good enough.
SPEAKER_01I don't even think they got, yeah. I heard I heard today that with Oakland City Colleges having problems. Yeah, I saw that. They're uh they are shuddering. They put yeah, they put a warrant out for the employees that you know because but I also heard But East Gibson's gonna be in the same boat because there's nobody over there, there's no money, and they're losing money, don't have no money to pay for anything.
SPEAKER_02I also heard shutting them down too. There's a university out there that wants to take it over.
SPEAKER_00I heard of southern Indiana. Yeah, so that would be good. USI. Yeah, yeah. That's what I heard of. So that would be good. Multiple campuses or USI Oakland City, yeah. Why not?
SPEAKER_01Just Oakland City had that little thing over there in Rockport or whatever for a small period of time.
SPEAKER_00They had one in Jasper, too.
SPEAKER_01Did they?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It's just they don't Oakland City kind of getting off track here, but they don't offer you know all the uh because now it's just uh it's either an education, you either be it what the oldest thing when I went there. You're either a preacher or a teacher. They don't have other teachers, nothing else. Nothing else. I mean, my oldest daughter went over there and you know she's got a communications, she got a uh bachelor's of communications. But they don't push that there. But they don't push it. She's one of the first ones that graduated with that degree that just you know had started it.
SPEAKER_00So somebody said there was like 600 kids that go to school there.
SPEAKER_02And that's what keeps the town alive. There's more kids that go to Gibson Southern there at Open City University.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, there's almost 800 kids. Is it 800 kids? 730 something. I know we're the second biggest school in 3A.
SPEAKER_02But something you didn't know, you know, talking about that 83 Princeton team that went to uh the uh state championship. They only lost two games that year. But they didn't actually go to the state championship. They had the final four back then. Yeah, I mean they went to the state championship. You did they just they were what uh third fourth runner up, whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_00But they got beat in the morning game.
SPEAKER_02Third loser. Connorsville. Connorsville. What's his name? Scott Skiles. Yeah, he was good. Yeah, but I don't remember who the other team, but If Sutter beat him, Kyle Stone had a last second shot on him. So we feel sorry if you guys the rivalry wasn't really that big because Gibson Southern really wasn't that good at anything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We had about a ten we had about a uh seven, eight year period there when we were in football, not very good.
SPEAKER_02Except for the my senior year, the seven to six debacle. We were four-inch tall grass and they hadn't cut in two months. Yeah, we were good in baseball back in the late 80s, 90s. I mean, that was about the one good sport because you had several good players then.
SPEAKER_01Well, and that happens in high school sports. You have people like us right after our football, when our football team was good, but then they brought soccer in. Yeah. And a lot of the football players that didn't get to play much went and played soccer because they got more playing time, and that separates and gets you have less to pick from.
SPEAKER_00Boys and girls across the club team. No, they're they're they're in the it's it's it's I say now, it's a full thing.
SPEAKER_01So that takes talent away from your others for it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, I don't think especially when it goes on at the same time because lacrosse is going on at same time at baseball. Baseball, yeah. And we lost a couple of players that decided to uh you know play lacrosse. I've got one on you know that I coach on JV that got pissed off because there was a junior starting over him. That's on a JV team. In our time, Steve Ritchie was really good at football too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But he ended up not playing his senior year because he concentrated on basketball.
SPEAKER_01Well, you know, well, that's well, and like Decker and some of them guys, they did the same thing as far as they wanted to concentrate on baseball.
SPEAKER_02But if you got a chance of playing professionally in that sport, yeah, you should probably like Colson Montgomery from South Aries.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but you don't want colleges don't want you playing one sport.
SPEAKER_01No, they want you they want an all-around kid that's you talk to Hall of Famers that play any kind of sport, they played all sports, yeah. They ran track in the summer to stay in shape for football and football and basketball and basketball and basketball. So is it a parent talking them out of it? Yes. No, it's the coaches. The coaches, they want to make sure if they're bringing whatever sports bringing money in.
SPEAKER_00It's a parent too. Yeah, and and they're they're all about, you know, my kid plays travel ball. Yeah, it's all about travel ball, yeah. That's that's really travel basketball, travel baseball is. You don't have little leagues anymore, hardly around here. Yeah, you have a few, I mean, you know, but not like you know when we grew up, we had four little league teams. Yeah. You know, then you then at the end of the season you picked their all-stars and you played the all-star tournament. Peter, Bird, Friends, All Stars. They don't have that anymore.
SPEAKER_01They're towards the end our high school end of I remember being a senior in high school, and they even let the kids that because you know, there are only so many people could play high school baseball. Yeah. If you didn't make the high school baseball, they upped the age and senior league. Yeah, they had a 16-18 year league. Yeah, because when I we played on that.
SPEAKER_00When we played, we played on that because when we went to Pony League with 13-14, yeah, you were done. Done. You couldn't, you couldn't unless you were going to and then you went to high school and played high school ball. And if you didn't have to play high school ball, you I was I was gonna go walk on at Oakland City to play baseball, but and and so they wanted me to play baseball that summer. Yeah. So I went to Princeton and we played uh at 1618.
SPEAKER_021618 year old league. Yeah. Out there at that point. The new the new the new place. Bay Ruthfield out there that nobody plays. We umpired at a lot. Nobody plays out there anymore.
SPEAKER_00But we even had two All-Star teams. Yeah. You know, uh when you put at the end of the year, you had two All-Star teams.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's like when we were umpiring, it was what was it, the community league? Yeah. I mean, when we were young, Princeton had we had six or seven of our own teams.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. I I I I lied a little bit because we played 13, 14 year olds, then we played 15 to 16 in Princeton. Yeah. And then after that, they started at 16 years next year after we got to the city. Duke Robinson was my coach. I didn't do Robinson. Duke, yeah. Uh Patterson was mine.
SPEAKER_02Uh I can remember some of the guys. David Swan was on my team. Uh Tony Richie was playing. Chavis, what the hell was his first name? He was funny as shit. No, I can't remember. Oh, yeah, I don't even know about that one. Glasses.
SPEAKER_00Tal Linkey game.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he caught. Can't remember it better. Yeah, it just uh it was pretty it was fun. That was you know, you got to you know, play till you were 18 years old, you know. And if you didn't want to play high school ball, you had somewhere else to go to.
SPEAKER_01So like Princeton, Nante was a hard coach to play for. There's a lot of people I know didn't want to go and go put up with what he was, you know, so it was like uh I'd rather just not play ball instead of play with him. So I mean they did that, they started doing the 16-18 thing. A lot of kids got to keep on playing. Nante, he But there's plenty of kids to play to, though. Well, you got a lot of kids that don't play.
SPEAKER_02They don't like they don't like to be held accountable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the thing. You they don't want to be held accountable. Yeah, you can't. It's like I told you when you start coaching, you're gonna have to pick out kids that can handle there's kids that can handle being taught to, yeah. And then there's kids that ain't gonna deal with it. They can't do it. They they'll either quit or they'll go off and and pug and and be thrown at his seat somewhere. You just can't.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that like I said, that catcher I had last night in one of my games had hit him alone had 13 pass balls. I took him out. He didn't pug.
SPEAKER_00Don't his name.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying names, but he didn't pug. I mean, he he went straight, come out, and we use the we don't we don't use a scorebook anymore. You don't write in a book anymore. They have thing called Game Changer, where everything's you know on an iPad. So he went right and done it, and he knows what he did wrong. Yeah. So, but you know, it's just you can't have that many, you can't have 17 pass balls in a high school baseball game. That's unacceptable because you're in a high school level, you should know how to block a ball.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And if you know you're going to, you better shorten that fence. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got lucky because their fence had a it was brick, and if it hit the brick, it bounced right back. So we got a couple of guys that don't play it because the ball bounced.
SPEAKER_01In reality, maybe he was trying to pull the odds. Yeah, he was uh it's gonna come right back to him and pull someone out. He was was it he was deaking them.
SPEAKER_02No, he wasn't.
SPEAKER_01He's like, oh look, I missed it again.
SPEAKER_02He wasn't deaking shit because I went out, I went out, uh, my first pitcher. I went out and calmed him down a little bit because he was he started struggling a little bit, and the catcher came out there and we were talking. He says, Yeah, I blocked some balls tonight. Blocked four. I said, Dude, you ain't blocked shit. The walls blocked them. Well, who just kind of looked at me funny and I said, dude, you got as many pass balls as we got stolen bases tonight, and that's bad. Speaking of that, how'd you like that team photo in the paper? Yeah, I was asking him about that. He was right in the middle. Six six looking uncomfortable sitting on them little kids' bleachers. That's where they told us to sit. All the all the coaches were sitting there in the middle. I was laughing.
SPEAKER_01I couldn't, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I thought, uh But hey, I'm six and one. Hey. And it's not me, it's the kid. The kids are the kids are, you know, it make the kids make it easy to coach when you you when they're good.
SPEAKER_01Hey, you know how mad the parents of the three kids that were sitting behind him that you couldn't see because his head's so big.
SPEAKER_02Which head? Yeah, like I said, the rival, let's get back on track. The rival is just, you know, just not there anymore. It hasn't, I don't think it's been there for what, 20 years, 25 years.
SPEAKER_00It's been well, it wasn't there when I was coaching because like I said, we weren't we didn't have the kids that were playing. We had more athletes sitting in the stands than we did in one, you know. We we probably had 35 kids back in the end. Now they've got 35 kids playing the freshman day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so when we were in school, the football rivalry kind of got a little bit bigger because we had an assistant coach, Macintosh. Macintosh. Well, then he took the Gibson Southern and football coaching job, so it got a little bit bigger.
SPEAKER_00And Mac was Mac's a good coach. I like Mac. I coached with him too. That's what I was doing.
SPEAKER_01My senior year, when Macintosh left and went to Gibson Southern, I was gonna go to Gibson Southern and play for Macintosh. And but then you had that rule where you had to set out a year, and I would have uh which I didn't play in Princeton either because I hurt my knee, but I uh yeah, he screwed us.
SPEAKER_00Who did Mac when he left because he took his kids with him, took his kids with him? You know, those those boys were rough. Oh yeah. Those boys were babies when they're they were yeah, yeah, they were little bitty things when I was coaching with him because we'd go to his house and they were running around. They were eating and then he went and left went to South Square.
SPEAKER_02I don't even think the second one was born yet.
SPEAKER_00No, not when he was at Princeton.
SPEAKER_01And he went to be a how long did he coach at Gibson Southern? A long time.
SPEAKER_00Three or four years, three or four years, probably four years, maybe. Then he went to South Spencer, yeah. And hung out there for a little bit, and then he and he moved to he was a Gooch. Gooch was an assistant. Oh man, I never had a good coach. You never played for Gooch?
SPEAKER_01I never played for Good. Coach Gooch was he was gone before I got there. Yeah, he was good, he was he was the defensive coordinator right before Macintosh at DC. And I heard many stories. Yeah. Was a beast. I love playing defense. I'll tell you Malone was not easy to play for.
SPEAKER_02I don't know who our DC was when I we played high school football. Was it Hage? Coach Hage? Was he the defensive?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, it was Jewell.
SPEAKER_02Jewel was uh uh we just had three that I remember Jewell, Coach Jewel, Hage, and then DeVault.
SPEAKER_00Oh wait, no, we had Osborne when I my freshman sophomore year at Osborne Paul Osborne was there. Paul, I don't remember.
SPEAKER_02I can't remember who I should, I live next across the road from him when it grew up.
SPEAKER_00We had uh who'd you say DeValt was our my junior year? He was the offensive coordinator.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because he came in what like 81 or 82.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Hayes was our JV coach.
SPEAKER_02So it was the year after Indiana won the holiday bowl, so that was seven and he was on that team. So it was 1980 then when he came.
SPEAKER_00He was he was on that team, and then you had Jim Hage, who the little Hungarian, that would run out, it'd be 95 degrees, and he would come out in that cutoff shirt and flip-flops and say what a glorious day it was to be playing football, and you're just wiped out. You know, we we would do you know, after practice, we would do uh probably 50, 60 uh up uh yards, or what they called them. I don't know what to call them, but suicides? Yeah, well where you'd run 10 yards, yeah. Right, and then you and you and you just didn't stand, you clap the whole time. Yeah, so you're constantly doing something. It was but uh yeah, it you can't you can't do that to these kids now. You can't work them like that. Two a days.
SPEAKER_01They don't do two days anymore. We we that I don't think they're gonna be. And that was the worst thing about being in Midwest, you know, Indiana. Yeah. Hundred degrees during two days, and then by the time the season was over with, it was 2030 below you're still.
SPEAKER_00When I yeah, when I when I was coaching at high school, we our two-a-days, we got there at like the staff got there at like six o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Kids would get there, they had we had to be on the field by eight. Yeah. And then you stayed all day. You didn't go home.
SPEAKER_01You you if you got home at seven o'clock, I was lucky my grandma lived up around the corner and I could leave and go to grandma's and get something to eat, drink, and take away.
SPEAKER_00I was like, we would go up, we would practice for two hours, and then we got work out, you had a little lift. Yeah. And then you then you had lunch, and then you chilled out, and then we had meetings. Yeah. We had positioned meetings the rest of the afternoon. Yeah. And at six o'clock, back on the field. Yeah. So it was we actually stayed all night. We the night before, we stayed all night. The kids had brought sleeping bags and they clipped sleep in the gym, and that's that was the way we did it.
SPEAKER_02We were playing. There was no water jugs on that. Remember that had that goddamn water hose over there on the other side of the water. No, we had the salt tablets.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. My freshman sophomore year we had salt tablets. And then I I kept and we had the water.
SPEAKER_02Water.
SPEAKER_00Uh out of hose. Yeah, I drink out of water holes. And then I think it was my junior year we got we started getting Gatorade. Yeah. That's when Gatorade came out. We were starting getting Gatorade. We always had water jugs, the orange big orange water.
SPEAKER_02Well, they had the like the big cylinder, but it had like eight holes. We didn't have that shit. No bans.
SPEAKER_00We didn't we didn't, we didn't you know, you didn't Jul was pretty hard nose. He just didn't do that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02He was We were in fucking shape. You let or you died.
SPEAKER_00I remember going to Tell City like junior year and the bus broke down and Julie was he's a he was a chain smoker and he went through four packs of cigarettes waiting on another bus to get there and I'm thinking I'm gonna die right on the car. And then we got beat that night. We missed a field goal. We were trying to tie the game, we missed a field goal. And uh I was leaving and I was trying to get on the J V bus. I was a sophomore, but I played varsity. Yeah. So I was trying to get on the J V bus to stay away from him. Yeah. And I got one step on the J V bus. He goes, Dank, where the hell you think you're going? I said, Oh, wrong bus in it, because I'm sorry. Yeah, it was a he kept me in a kept me in a locker room one night.
SPEAKER_02So did you have any school that you hated to go to to play? Tell City.
SPEAKER_00Such a long drive. And our coach, uh the field was not very good. Oh your coach was from those. Yeah, Tell City. Tell City Propose.
SPEAKER_02Or Force Park. That was a long time.
SPEAKER_00We didn't play for Force Park didn't have football when we played back in them days. But South Ridge.
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SPEAKER_01South Ridge. I didn't mind going to South Ridge. We always won. I remember I remember we would take bets. Before they would bet, like each team we played, we would bet what whoever's number you was wearing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You put down dollar or whatever, and whoever's number, they got the money. And the only time any of us wide receivers could put money down is when we played South Ridge because we knew we had a chance to score 80 points. Yeah. Suck. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's what Gibson's gonna say.
SPEAKER_02And then vice versa. With us, all the teams that suck now, like Tell City and South Spencer, they were just when I played, we were good.
SPEAKER_00I mean, we we didn't we we if we were seven and three, it was a bad year. Yeah. And then but of course, back then didn't have classes. Yeah. There was no class football. So well, I think there might have been, but we just never went to playoffs. Nobody from here ever went to playoffs. You had to be in a big school team.
SPEAKER_01I remember we I remember playing in sectional every year and get lose, and I don't think we ever won any sectional teams, do we?
SPEAKER_02Oh our junior year, I think. No. When did they win the sectional? Oh, I know we won. We played in the sectional championship our senior year. My senior championship. We got beat by here by here in junior.
SPEAKER_00They they Princeton won the sectional one year, I think. Was it 86? Yeah. Well, yeah. I wish they would go back to the preseason. Coaching.
SPEAKER_02No, because now they just do that damn one practice game back when we played, they'd do the Jamboree, and you'd have, you know, you'd have two. You have three teams, you know, counting you, and you play each team one quarter, and that was fun.
SPEAKER_01That was fun. Yep. I remember doing that. That was fun.
SPEAKER_02It was a blast. Now they don't do that anymore.
SPEAKER_01Uh and that's what probably ruins the rivalry. Yeah. I mean, that was the thing that started to rival every season was if you play a quarter against that team.
SPEAKER_02I remember it was always it was at Princeton. And you would have two other, you'd have Princeton there, you'd have Gibson Southern, Benson, somebody like that, maybe Hair to Chills, maybe Boomville.
SPEAKER_01Boonville played up there a lot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But you talking about traveling to the D didn't like. Uh, you know, it's easy to get to Hair to Chills now, but when we played, it wasn't fucking easy to get there. When they made that new road there that goes straight to it, because you know you had to go over to a back road, curve around, up a hill, go through Dale, Indiana.
SPEAKER_00And they were good, so they they've always been good, so it really didn't matter. The very few times that was a sucking.
SPEAKER_02And when you guys played Vincent, did you play Vincent? Yeah, you guys played Vincent. Did you did they still play at the park? Yep. Always worse locker room.
SPEAKER_00I remember going there in my freshman year, and I and I was I was the starting center, but I was hurt. And that it was under the it was a freshman.
SPEAKER_02Still downtown at that little middle school. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The locker rooms were horrible. Yeah. And I and I I didn't dress, I didn't dress the first half. But we had like four fumbles between the quarterback and the center, and I snuck in the locker room right before halftime, and when they came in, I was dressed. And I the coach said, What are you doing? I said, I'm playing. He said, No, you're not. You can't play. I I'm playing. Yeah. You I'm playing. Do you mean fumbles? And and he's he reluctantly let me play, but I I shouldn't have played. I couldn't hardly walk.
SPEAKER_02You know, I was having that was the worst luck.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it washington's everywhere. Washington's wasn't very good either. Washington's was World Two. Jasper probably had the best.
SPEAKER_02Washington built a new facility. New York.
SPEAKER_00But Washington's when we were playing, Washington's locker room was under their stands. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't steal it. It was just a big old empty room. Yeah. It was a lot like uh Vince's just an empty room. It's just a big empty room had a company.
SPEAKER_02Washington they actually built a new complex where the visitors dress now. It's pretty nice. I think they well, they got a new track, Turf Field, so it's really nice.
SPEAKER_01They've done a lot of they've done ours wasn't that great. Yeah, ours wasn't. Yeah, and you had to walk a mile to get back up to the school.
SPEAKER_00Now they're all building these indoor practice facilities. Yeah. Princeton's building one. We're building one. North Pelosi's gone.
SPEAKER_01Terra Haute's considering combined Terra Hope North and Terra Hope South together, making one straight. They probably should. Yeah. They did that with the aquatic center.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. The worst about Princeton, you know, of course, the locker room was way up here and the fields all down here, but then you've got all the cars that park in that parking lot. So you're Yeah, well, you know, and over.
SPEAKER_00It's not as far as Princeton's, but it's a pretty long walk when you when you're walking from a locker room.
SPEAKER_02Did you ever play a Pike Central? Oh yeah. That would suck. That would suck. Yeah, we got to go walk down the steps. Stinking ass bugs there are terrible.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it was like five miles away. But then we we just didn't go in the locker room. We didn't go in the locker room at halftime. We just found a place, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's just not fun when you go there and you you goddamn you beat a team 63 to nothing, you're up 56 to nothing at a halftime.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, but when I cults, we were not very good. Well, I know, I know. We were we struggled to beat Pike Central. Yeah. And we did not beat Wood Memorial beat us one night, one year. That's when they had Jacob Rowell. Yeah. Yeah. And this kid was a flipping beast. Yeah. He was a beast.
SPEAKER_02I remember Jacob.
SPEAKER_00And uh we I went I scouted him the week before we played him. And I look I I we had to stop Jacob Row. It was plain and simple. And they they had a kicker who could not kick a league. And I put the kicker not very good. He kicked a 33-yard field goal beat. And I and I remember I remember Bill Christensen was a coach, the head coach, and he turned and looked to me, he took his headset off, he turned and looked at me, and I don't know. He threw mine down, you know. He goes, I thought you said somebody's a good kick. I said, You seen the film He couldn't kick. And I can remember there was a we have a we had a D our DV coach was up in the booth. Yeah. And everybody leaves now. We had never ever lost a WuMoo and hasn't lost my plane anymore. I had never lost him. And our DV coach was coming down out of the I can hear him. We were in the we were on the South End zone. I could hear him talking to himself coming down the steps, just freaking just cussing, screaming. And I'm thinking I did not get out, I did not get out house that whole weekend. I did not leave the house. But you know, you talk about rivalries. There was I was ashamed we lost a boot memorial. You know, I you get beat by Princeton, oh well. You know, they're better than us. Boomer wasn't better than us. No. You know, and we're not. We never played him in Boot Mm. We never played. We haven't played him in the world. Well, that was in '95 or six. Yeah. And that because we were still in the PAC, and I think Princeton was in the Big Eight then. Yeah. That blue chip or whatever. Back then they were in the PAC. We don't even have a football program.
SPEAKER_02Thanks to a couple of broomsticks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, well, there was other reasons why they don't have one. Hidden broomsticks.
SPEAKER_02Hidden broomsticks.
SPEAKER_01The old hidden broomstick at kick trick.
SPEAKER_02All right, guys. So did you play basketball in high school? I did. Did sectional in Princeton? It was always held at the old gym.
SPEAKER_00It was always in Princeton. Always in Princeton in the middle.
SPEAKER_02That was the best.
SPEAKER_00That was the most favorite section. It aggravated me that they tore that name place. I know, yeah. I couldn't believe it. I figured they would keep money off of that. I remember I I enjoyed putting I played there in my first game. I'm thinking I'm gonna go play.
SPEAKER_01That was the best gym to play in the game.
SPEAKER_02They had to open the windows up top because there was nowhere it can be there.
SPEAKER_00There was good and bad memories there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I remember going there and pulled them bleachers out. There's the end of the bleachers and there's the side.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I I remember going to sectionals there, and that's when Wood Memorial and North Posy and New Harmony and all those. Mount Vernon. I remember Jeff Embry going in there and lighting it up. Yeah. Scoring 40 points a game. Now he's a coach at Wood Memorial. No, he's a North Posey.
SPEAKER_02That's right, North Posey now. North Posey. Jeff Embry.
SPEAKER_00He was a he was a point guard at New Harmony, man. He light it up. Mount Vernon. Yeah, Mount Vernon. No, no.
SPEAKER_02Mount Vernon. He played Mount Vernon? Yeah. Jeff Cardinal played it.
SPEAKER_00But he lighted it up, man. He just all over the place.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, he was good. He was real good.
SPEAKER_00But Von Chavis, I remember watching him play. Yeah. Then him and I played softball together for years after that.
SPEAKER_02And it just so good teams back in the 70s. Good teams. Well, we've discussed the rivalry there a little bit between Gibson Southern. Yeah, we kind of chased a few rabbit holes, but we talked about the rivalry there, Gibbs, Southern and Princeton, and other teams too. Our high schools have kind of evolved. What is it, about eight miles apart? Eight to ten miles apart. Probably, yeah, eight to ten miles apart. Yeah. It's kind of like South Ridge and Heritage Hills are probably a little farther than that apart. You know, their rivalry is pretty big up there.
SPEAKER_00South Ridge is more, they're they'll tell you they're have they have a bigger rivalry with Jasper. Jasper. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because they're only like five miles apart.
SPEAKER_00They're not very far apart, so they're they're about like us in Princeton. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But you got three schools that are within 20 miles of each other there, you know, that are you know annually.
SPEAKER_00The world's problem is now they're cut off from everything. Cut off. They're cut off from everything. Yeah. There's just nothing over there. I spent my college years over there having fun. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think that uh that uh hazing incident kind of killed well it killed their it killed their football.
SPEAKER_01It definitely killed that. And you know, maybe some of you don't have that. That's a lot of ticket and a lot of concession money that's not coming in.
SPEAKER_02And kids that are just don't want to play sports now. And that's you know it's a shame that principal and the athletic director didn't lose their job on that, and the coach, because you bucking can't tell me they didn't know what was that something was going on. Someone had to have said something. That's bullshit. They knew what was going on. How can you be the coach and not know that you're gonna be able to do it? And that athletic director up here, I don't like him, never have liked him.
SPEAKER_00Everything going on in the locker room.
SPEAKER_02That's right. So they were flat out there.
SPEAKER_00Matter of fact, we probably had a coach in the locker room until they, you know, until they were gone. Yeah, you didn't leave kids.
SPEAKER_01Well, you had a lot of good players too. You had you know leadership from all your seniors and stuff like that. That crap wouldn't come on. I mean, we had some tough dudes that was in the you couldn't monkey around like that. Jody Taylor and Christy's Bows and Jerry Bows guys, and Greer. Greer, you know, Decker and Schultz, and I mean them guys, yeah, they wouldn't let that crap go on. Yeah, it's player, you know, responsibility as far as taking care of your teammate and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00Well, it we always said it's your locker room. Yeah. You know, you you you find somebody to police it. Now we had a coach that would stay back. Yeah. Generally it was, you know, a freshman coach said, Hey, let's go. We gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go.
SPEAKER_01Monkey around and have fun, but it wasn't gonna be nothing that was gonna hurt anyone because we was all teammates.
SPEAKER_00Well, you just you just didn't do that. The locker room was you just didn't do that kind of stuff. Yeah. We were we might have been cutting up, but the music was blaring and and you were music.
SPEAKER_01You got you, yeah, you was in getting in game face on and getting ready to play, and yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. All right. Well, we're gonna end this episode uh four clueless dudes on that.
SPEAKER_00I got the name right, it's kind of clueless.
SPEAKER_02Four clueless dudes.
SPEAKER_00All four was here.
SPEAKER_02It's kind of cool having all four of us here. So you guys have a good day. Peace out.
SPEAKER_00See ya later.
