IHSAA approves NIL for high school atheletes

This could be a shit show in Indiana high school sports

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Back with another episode of Four Clueless Dudes. Just two of us here tonight. We actually had third one here, ate supper, but he went home. So we'll just see him again tomorrow. Maybe I can get an episode with him tomorrow. But today we're gonna talk about Indiana High School Athletic Association. Earlier in the week signed into law that high school players could sign NIL deals. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

I don't know. I I don't I guess more power to them if it's done the right way, I guess. It's just how long is it gonna be before middle schools can do it? I I I don't know. I don't see where if there's gonna be a lot of money for a whole lot of people. Maybe if you're a a superstar Division I athlete, maybe in this area, but I I just don't see it being a big moneymaker. Maybe it's not intended to be, but you know, I can see where local local businesses could use local kids, you know, put their name on stuff. Put their name on stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

So name and likeness, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

If you come here we'll do this for you, or come here we'll do that for you. So as long as it didn't do that, I'm okay with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Um what the age limit is. I I looked at some of the states and some of them you gotta be 18 or over, you know, before you can do it. I wonder if Indiana has an age requirement, or just if you're in high school freshman and you're 14 and you can sign an NIL deal. But I think it said that you can't can't represent your school, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Can't represent your school, can't wear your school collars, can't wear uniforms.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Or you can't wear the uniforms. You probably have the color, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

School colors. Yeah, a lot of schools have the same colors. Yeah, so I think what it said, you also can't uh other schools can't entice you to come with money to transfer, and then colleges can't be involved. Be involved.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Well I've not read it, but no, I just hear what people are talking about.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

The colleges can do it. I mean you can sign NIL deal with college if you're a senior, I guess. I mean, I don't know what that I guess you couldn't get the money until you're in school. In school, but but high school, I wonder how that's gonna work. So a local establishment could create a hamburger with that kid's name on it and sell it, and then you know, how's the profits gonna work? That's yeah, that student athlete gonna get a hundred percent of it, you know, is the the business gonna take a little bit of it, the school, because the school can't take none of it because this can't represent the school, right? Right, right. Right. Uh but I wonder how long it'll be for some of these big schools trying to see it somewhere on Facebook. Take the gray area and you know, do something.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

About a kid.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Are you signing one?

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Already signing one.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Really? Uh that'd be interesting to find it.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I'll probably go find it now. We're talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Oh my god. Yeah. Everyone. Sorry if you picked them voices up, but somebody just walked by us. Uh I wonder here it is.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Here's an example of NIL in high school sports. Here you go. One of the top-ranked kids from Kentucky. Allows promoting local businesses. Okay. Who will be the first player in Indiana to take the leap? This kid, uh probably. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

You know, is there a limit you can sign them for? You know, is uh you know, here in Indiana, what do you think? One sport will dominate, like football, obviously, and then you got some real good football players and basketball players in our state.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

You know, and baseball, you think one sport will dominate over another one for the NIL? I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it just depends on what they're gonna use it for.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah. So it looks like my other buddy here was doing some research, and there's a kid in Kentucky that's already took the leap, and I guess a local what'd you say gas station? Uh Wing Stop Wing Stop. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Don't know how much they didn't say how much he's making or yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Uh interesting to see who the first kid from Indiana is that. Oh, I'm sure it's in the works already.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

So I don't know if there's anybody around here that I mean, you know, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

It's well, I'm sure you know some of these local. You know, there's a lot of you know, air, you know, our air, or rather high school kids in North High School, Forest Park's got a baseball player that's already signed a Division I. You know, the kid's really good. Uh I'm sure there's other schools around here. You know, Castle a few years ago, they had that kid that signed with Michigan. That you know, he threw in the upper 90s, so I wonder what his NIL deal was. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see first kid here in Indiana, and depending on the sport, see what they signed for their, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

I don't know whether it's gonna benefit kids in small towns or areas or you know, I don't I don't know. I just don't see the benefit in some of it, but you know, whatever to each his own. If they can get it, they can get it. As long as it's not abused, I'm I'm okay with whatever they gotta do. Like I said, I just don't want to see it involved getting other kids to go to other schools.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm sure they'll try. I'm sure somebody will you know try the little gray area and uh try to do that. You know, so I think there's four, I think they said there's four states that don't allow NIL in high school. And a couple of them, excuse me, you have to be 18 or older.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

So you passed the NIL but didn't adopt the shot clock.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Makes no sense, does it? No. Makes no sense whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

I I think the shot clock would make the game more exciting. Yeah. Because you gotta you gotta put up a shot. You can't hold the ball.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

So I don't know, I don't get that, but again, I'm far removed from high school basketball. Just a fan.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Yeah, so it's crazy. Nil passed 13 to 5, and then the shot clock, I don't, I don't remember seeing what the difference. Yeah, difference in that was, so uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

I just thought it was weird.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Well, they're doing it, so uh yeah, I don't know. I just kind of want to get your thoughts on that NIL stuff and see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

It's kind of crazy to think it's come to that. Yeah. Again, like I said, switch his own. If you can do it, do it.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah, but like you said, where do you stop? You know, and you're gonna do middle schoolers. Yeah. Yeah. Remember, you know, here where we're at Damon Bailey, eighth grader, he was already being recruited by Bobby Knight. Yeah. He was probably good enough in middle school. He could have signed an NIL deal.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Oh, he could have because he was such a star. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

His name was, you know, because again, Bob Knight after recruiting you in eighth grade, you know, you kind of do that. So you know, we probably had a couple of, if they'd have had it back then, a couple of kids in football back in 2015 that were probably good enough. They could have had some kind of small NIL deal here and Brady, you know, could have had you know that. I've seen some pictures that uh one of your guys that you coached with in the past that went up to Indiana State with Brady and watching him practice. So I'll have to go up there and watch a game or two. He's got what, two years left? Yeah, I think so. So hopefully he can have a you know a good couple of years and not get hurt and not ride the bench and get an opportunity to put some yards up and get noticed. It's some playing time. It's some playing time. That's just it, get in playing time. Not ride the bench for a guy that comes in that transferred in from his 15th year from another school, and then you gotta sit behind him, and so that's the only part of that stuff I don't like is a transfer rule.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

It's the rule. So if they can do it, they can do it. Don't they don't mean we have to like it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

It's just you shouldn't be able to transfer, you know, you should, you know, you should you should only get one one extra year, you know. They should get rid of that COVID year.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

I think the only people that should be able to transfer are kids that have fulfilled their four years and have one year left. Grad student, grad, you know, graduate player. If you're not good enough to play in the in pro, then you can go somewhere else and play. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Yeah. I think that's the way the rule was supposed to be done, and then you had COVID, and they started giving them these COVID years, and then they, I don't know, and then you could transfer, you know, each year and play at a different school, and NILs run it, just like some of the shows that we've done in the past, you'll never see a mid-major, you know, win any kind of championship ever again, just for the fact of the transfer and NIL money now. And I'm just hoping that high school sports is not the uh minor leagues for colleges, and because you know the colleges is basically a minor league for professional leagues now because of all the money they get and all that shit. So away it goes, I guess. So it's just crazy. So again, we're just sitting out here doing our podcast, enjoying some nice weather and some scenery. Uh yeah. Beautiful night. We went out and ate at local restaurant for a birthday and uh thought we'd just chit-chat a little about NIL. So I'm gonna switch gears here and uh, what's your thoughts on NL Central? I think everybody in that division has won 20 games and they're all above 500.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Yeah, yeah. I mean I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

That might be the best div uh division in the league right now.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Could very well be, yeah. Yeah. Although the Reds are backsliding a little bit, but they won today. I don't know what the record is. I don't know. It's above 500, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, well, everybody in that division's above 500. Are they like 21 and 18 or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Yeah, and there's some but when you start playing that that the the central there, you start, you know, you got these guys beating up on each other. Uh we'll see what happens, you know. Get healthy, you know. I think they got uh what was that? What's that? Lodolo, was that his name? Uh player, was he a catcher or pitcher or something?

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Yeah, they don't have much pitching. They're pitching wax a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah, they were they were getting him back, so I was watching a little bit today. That kid they had pitching today. Was it Burns or Burris or something? Burris. And he threw hard. He threw in the up he threw about 99.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

He may be Burns, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

I ain't watched him enough this year yet.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Burns, Burns, something like that, he was doing. He was throwing some heat and they were winning.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Oh, they got their ass spanked last night by every time they're on TV at my house, uh blacked out, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Well, you need to get that daggone box that we got, me and Jeremy got, so you can watch all that major league baseball.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Yeah, we're talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

It's nice. I mean, especially when you want college football and we'll freaking car run over there. College basketball and football, you get to watch all those games. Just pick one and start watching them. So and not just those crappy ones sometimes that ABC and CBS, you know, all then they just show the same ones over and over again. So uh same teams while SEC's on what ESPN or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Yeah. You got a contract with them, so uh missing football, so desperately.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

But uh yeah. Uh well it's gonna be starting soon, you know. High school football's just two months away.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Uh here fast enough.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

So I mean college is what a couple months away too. I've tried to watch a little bit of that uh one there, you know, park right here, though. That one, it's kind of terrible.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

So it's uh I watched some replay games today.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Yeah, UFL or whatever it is, and then I'll say once in a while you'll see an i uh indoor football league game going on and try to watch a little of that. That's a little better, especially when somebody gets destroyed against a wall. Yeah. But so yeah, I'm just watching a little bit of that. But I think we're gonna end it on there. I just wanted to get his opinion on the NIL and uh see what his thoughts and see where it goes from there, and you know, we may come back on here later and do another one just when they kind of iron out and maybe who is the first kid from Indiana, because I'm sure it'll be all over Facebook or some of these other things when they sign one and what for and who with and all that. So alright, well, peace out. We'll be back later.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Peace.