EP9| Talk N Supes

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talkin' Soups. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sist, and with me is my co-host. We still do that. We still step on each other every time we try to do this intro. I'm trying to get it cleaner, folks. I'm trying, but we still step on each other no matter what. We tried to switch things up and have me start off to the, you know, doing the intro and then go to see if if it worked better, but we still keep fucking it up every time we start the episode.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

It is what it works. We can't be the most imperfect, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

But we're back this week for another brand new episode, and we have quite a lot of topics to discuss. Um some new movie news, as of course, we got some comic stuff. We're gonna go in depth on DCKO this week. Um that finally wrapped up. So I feel like this is the first time on the pod that we can actually like talk up in in full about an event rather than just like the comics of the week that we read. Um we also got you know some more TV spots, some some other things leaked out during this week. But um, our our first topic that we're gonna get into this week is the New Lanterns trailer. Um so we got the the trailer, it dropped. It was actually what happened was uh HBO themselves in intentionally leaked the trailer. They put it up on YouTube before it was supposed to debut. Um it was supposed to come out the following day, but what happened instead of making it yeah, instead of making it a private viewing, they put it up as public so people who were able to see it and grab it right away, they got to see it early. And then HBO said, Hey, uh, by the way, maybe like an hour later, tweeted it back out and was like, You guys asked for it, you got it. Here's the trailer. So we got the Green Lantern trailer. Um, what are your thoughts about this? Um, it did look more like a HBO cop crime show to me, but you know, go ahead, give me give me what you you're thinking when you saw this.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

So, for the most part, uh what I what I noticed out of it is this like it it is straight up more of like uh a crime, a buddy, you know, he's trying to teach Jon Stewart the ways of the lanterns and stuff like that. So I thought that was interesting, and I remember them saying how much of uh it's it's is it is more like a cop detective sci-fi type of show, but I didn't think they were gonna lean into it as hard as they are right now. So this is gonna be something that I'm really like intrigued to see. Um despite everybody's concern about the costume and stuff like that. I also I feel like that's just the way I did that. I just feel like that's dumb leaning into the whole story of brightest day, darkest night type theme. And eventually by the end, we'll probably get a more bright, like official suit, especially with the way James has the Superman world and those two worlds are gonna collide at one point. And then we know we also had freaking um uh Gardner in his suit as well, and his suit is nowhere near that.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

So I feel like it's gonna get he's got the green, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

He it's gonna get there. But to be honest, those are like literally, like personally, my favorite colors like that dark green and that and that actual green, the other green that they have there, those lot olive like earthy tone colors. So to see a Green Lantern suit like this, and it's gonna be in on uh in live action, and it's on my favorite green, it's probably gonna go on my favorite Green Lantern if if it's Jon Stewart's, then I'm gonna be really hyped to see that suit on him, and it's gonna be tough.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

I think it was Hal's. That that's what I'm going with. Because it it almost has it almost has the parallax design of like when Hal becomes parallax, there's a different like um weaving to like Hal's chest logo. Uh he usually has like the the plain suit with just the green lantern chest logo, but the time during his parallax and the way they draw it, he he has like this weird weave that comes across like his front before it gets to the symbol. And it's it's kind of the same thing that they did in like the new 52 design. They tried to incorporate like that more chest armor rather than it just being like a costume. But I think James went for the opposite thing with this. Like, I think he went for this being almost like a military uniform. That's why it's that color. And I think you know, of when the ring's actually activated, like we saw the ring in the trailer, we saw what the ring looks like, we also saw what the lantern looks like, very similar to Ryan Reynolds' lantern, like they went for an not the traditional like looking lantern, they went for more of like a weird shape, you know, like oblong thing. But that's what I'm wondering. If like it's more so the the costume is is practical this time rather than it being a construct of the ring. It it you know, he's gonna have like an actual suit on, but then when he lights up, he he lights up green. It could also be just colored detail from the trailer that we saw that maybe it's showing more olive, it's actually darker, and maybe they go back and edit it before the show actually drops. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

Right. But I see him there with the light with the light, so that's why I feel like it's not gonna be like that.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

And you see it like hanging up in a locker, so it makes me think that it's like Hal's that he's like put away for a while. And and then my whole thing is the premise of this show. So Nathan Fillion is supposed to be in this show at some point. Um, he has spoken on it and confirmed that he was in this show. He also said it was the most times he said fuck in his whole entire acting career was being part of this show. So I'm interested to see like what role he's gonna play and if Hal even knows about Guy, because Hal makes a comment clearly in the trailer of like, I'm the only lantern. He's like, Yeah, they're all I'm the only Earth lantern, I'm the only human. He's like, they're all fucking aliens, and and I the one of them's a fucking squirrel. Like, that was the best line of the whole fucking trailer. When I saw that, I started I lost my mind because like they put that in there. Yeah, like knowing knowing your Green Lantern, there is like there's a little Green Lantern squirrel, and like he's from like this other planet, and he talks and and is a Green Lantern, but he's like what we would equivalent, like almost like a rocket raccoon, what we would equivalent to uh an animal here. It's a species in space, they have a whole planet of squirrels.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

And you know what's funny we mention they mentioned it here, but I almost I I it's on the tip of my tongue, and it feels very deja vu-ish, where I feel like they mentioned that squirrel either either Peacemaker or in freaking uh Superman. Because this is not the not this is not the first time they talk about it, I feel like.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

They do mention the squirrel, I believe, in the in the Ryan Reynolds version, or like you actually see the squirrel in the white Ryan Reynolds version, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

I gotta look back, but I I They might have.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

I I'm I I can't I can't recall that. But my whole thing was okay, so we know we know John is gonna be training with Hal, you know, from from this trailer. We know that John seems to be comic accurate, where like he's got the military background, he's he's used to being a hero, and and you know, all of that. Do we think so like my whole thing from that from that comment about I'm the only human, is this before Superman or is this after Superman? And are is the case is the case that they're gonna be solving the murder of Guy Gardner or the disappearance of Guy Gardner? Because think about the end of Peacemaker, right? They ended with showing us the the um the prison planet that they're gonna be putting people. For instance, just just for shits and giggles, say Guy ends up being one of those people that they ship off to that prison. His ring's not with him at that point. His ring goes and looks for another suitor, and it's John, and how comes to train John in that role, or is it Hal that's retiring and looking for a new Blander to pass his ring too? That's what I'm wondering. Like, is which one of those plot scenarios is the motivation for this show? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

I wasn't even thinking, I was thinking more so of like, uh, this is like the town that they're in is is is like kind of like undercover with like an alien uh threat and they're like disguising themselves as just humans or something to that extent. Because it wouldn't why else would you have Green Lanterns in this random town in like the Middle East somewhere?

SPEAKER_03 8:29

That's what I'm that's what I'm wondering though. If maybe this is one of the portals to I forget the the name of the uh the the the planet or dimension that it's called. I f I can't think of it off the top of my head right now. Um it's like on the tip of my tongue, but I'm uh no, the one that was from Peacemaker, uh the the the alternate dimension prison planet. Uh I want to say Revelation, but that's not it. Um I I'm thinking X-Men for whatever reason. But whatever the case, you guys know what I'm talking about. The the planet from Peacemaker that is the prison. I feel like that's where they're going with Man of Tomorrow, and that is the overall plot line of the DCU, you know, going forward for that at least the next couple things. So to have that be the context of like, all right, guy got somehow shipped off to this prison, his ring's out there now for a new person, John being trained by Hal to go do it. I could also see a route where this is like setting up Hal as parallax. And I wonder if that suit design and showing the suit like that is like the hint to foreshadow that for you. Of you know, Hal's been doing this a long time. He's a grizzled veteran at this point. He's past his point of like believing in good and everybody and being the good guy. You know what I mean? Like Hal's just a space cop at this point, he's been doing this job for however long he's been doing it. I wonder if that's the premise of like John's gonna get Hal's green ring, but then you know, Hal's gonna become parallax with the fear, and like Hal is your big bad villain for this first arc. Maybe I I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like you could look at this framing of this from different ways.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Yeah, yeah. And it seems as if, like, um, you know, he the what I also like is that it's just like the dynamic between them two, and it's always been like that, but they know they're touching on it more now where you know they're it's a competitive nature. But like also, like, did they mention who the villain is supposed to be in this?

SPEAKER_03 10:28

So that's that's something I was gonna talk about. The the reason apparently it's just called lanterns and not Green Lantern is because we're gonna get introduced to other color. So I don't know about the whole spectrum of colors, but apparently one of the guys is playing Sinestro or Atrocitous, from what I've heard. I've heard both rumors, is that we're gonna either see the reds or we're gonna see the yellow lanterns in this. And that's why it's called lanterns and not green lantern, is that they're they're planning on setting up the some of the other spectrums at least, or at least alluding to that there are other spectrums of the ring. Because for those that don't know, there's a blue lantern core, there's the star sapphires, which are the purple, um, there's the red lanterns, there's the white lanterns, which equates learning all of the different colors and mastering them to become a white lantern. Um, and then there's orange, which is pretty much only Larfleas. I don't think he's got a core, and then there's the black lantern. So there are like a couple different cores, and if you do master each ring, eventually you can become a white lantern, which Kyle Rayner is the only one to in existence. He's the only one that's mastered all of the rings. And he's he's my like one of my favorites. I don't think Kyle's gonna be any part of this show. It's just coincidence that Kyle Chandler is playing Hal Jordan, but and it's kind of funny when you think about it because Nathan Filion voiced Hal Jordan for the longest time for most of the DC animated movies. Like, if you go watch any of those Justice League movies and and stuff, it's Nathan Fillion that's that's voicing Hal Jordan the entire time. So it's like how ironic that you know he's playing Guy Gardner and not Hal Jordan. But I like the casting of Kyle Chandler. Like, if you were a Friday Night Lights guy, if you were um Godzilla, the first Godzilla movie he's got a big role in, and I think King of Monsters he's got a big role in that. He's done so many different things over his career, so he's a fantastic actor. I think he's gonna play a grizzled Hal Jordan very well. And I I like Aaron Pierre as John. Um my my buddy Ace my buddy Ace was saying deep down he still wanted somebody darker to be John. Like he he he wanted like a real dark-skinned guy to play John, which I thought was funny. I was like, I'm cool with Aaron Pierre, like that that kind of tracks for me. But um, yeah, I'm interested to see what other lanterns he set up. Yeah, I guess that's what he wanted was somebody more towards like the the original voice actor that you know played John on the on the animated show. Um but for a lot of people, that's what I don't I guess that's what I don't take into account is that like you know, the first lantern I was exposed to um as like reading comics was Kyle. So that's why like Kyle was the one for me that I always was like gravitated to more. Um he was like one of the first lantern stories I ever read at the time. And I I really like two of the newer lanterns. Like Baz is is one of like I love him as a character. I wish they would do more with him, being they created him for the same purpose that Marvel created Miss Marvel was basically after 9-11 they wanted to have uh an uh A-rab descent character in the line, and and they created Bass. And he's an awesome character, Simon. Uh, and Jessica Cruz, the the the Puerto Rican Green Lantern. Like, she she's another one that that's so awesome. Like, so the two of them, um, now in the comics, Kyle is now taking over. We talked about that last week in the comic spot, like when I was talking about lanterns, that that Kyle is gonna be the Earth Green Lantern for the books at least going forward for a little while. Um, but Hal will still be a major part because he's gonna be taking part in like the Justice League stuff and the bigger galaxy-wide things. But it is interesting to see that like a lot of people look at John Stewart as the first green, like if you were exposed to the TV show and Justice League, you know, the animated, that like he's your Green Lantern, and I could see you being like in that demographic, that's your Green Lantern. Like, so yeah, that I don't I don't take that into consideration enough when thinking about John because I always look at as John as like the OG, he's been around so long now at this point. Like, I look at him at like Hal. Like him and Hal are the OG lanterns, and all the other ones are still kind of figuring it out and like still kind of training on the job as they go. But I don't take into consideration, I guess, that whole audience of like, no, John is my Green Lantern. Who the fuck is Hal Jordan or who the fucker are these other boys? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 14:57

No, that's that's exactly what I was gonna say. Because like I'm the guy who grew up on the ultimate uh Justice League, and that was the first person I seen as Green Lantern, and then I found out there was how Jordan and everybody else do video games and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

So like all the other um stuff that came afterwards, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Yeah. So like seeing him as like the rookie. I mean, I've s I know I know the story now that he was after Hal, but seeing him as the rookie uh spot and just like uh I can't wait till he gets to gets to his his his powers and he just gets to his ad because he he's always shitting on how. And that's why I love to see that in the trailer because he's like, This is face it, I'm better than you.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

Because it's he looks like he what it looks like even from the scene in the trailer, like when when guy when um when Hal leaves the ring on the dashboard of the car and just drives the car off the cliff, it looks like we're gonna see him like starting to harness those powers and starting to get out of stuff. But I don't know. Like, I'm interested to see that's what I'm saying. Like, where's the other ring coming from? Does this is it are we just talking how's ring and how's passing it on to training another one? Or is there Guy's ring that that we're having? You know, that's what I'm wondering. Or is it another another another lantern died someplace and and how just has their ring that he's passing on to John? Like, that's I guess where I'm looking for more clarity about the premise of like what what's gonna set up this show and where it takes place. Do they know about guy, you know, all of that?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

That that and figuring out like what is what does their uh like the constructs of the Green Lantern look like when they're actually using it? Is it gonna be as well as of as as gardeners, or will it be like a little bit different?

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Yeah, yeah. That's gonna be interesting to see. And like, do we, you know, do the same rules apply, I guess, as the comic books you can look at too. Is like, is it is it all still the same lore, or are we doing something a little different? I know if we go with like Darwin Cook or somebody like that, that's a little more like old school style lantern, they had some different like premises and rules set up. So it's it's gonna be interesting to see like what they end up doing. And and I am excited for the show. Like, it does look it looks like a show that I would watch even if this wasn't a lantern show. You know what I mean? Like it looks like an HBO, like like I just watched um what was that uh task not too long ago? Was the the Mark Ruffle. I watched these shows. I watched the the Mayor of East Eastwick or whatever it was called with with uh the chick from you know, and like those types of shows on HBO, I'm already watching. So like to see another like cop crime drama, they're solving a case. I'm already in on that to begin with. Now you're adding DC and lanterns to it. I feel like you have you have a good audience already that's gonna be watching this show, especially people that might not even realize that it's a DC show. Like, you might see the preview for this show if you're like a just a casual person on HBO Max and like click on it. What is this show? And like, oh, cool, a crime drama, and you're gonna go watch it, be not knowing that it's like a DC thing, you know what I mean? And I feel like that's gonna happen with people.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Freelancing constructs and fucking flying squirrels, and you're like, oh shit, and that.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Yeah, and and I'm interested to see how much of that do we get. Do they save that all kind of more for the end of the show? Is it is it something that's gonna be like a big reveal? Is it gonna be something that we're gonna see like at the beginning early on with Hal? That's what I'm I'm wondering. Like, you see that one shot in the trailer that looks like Hal like landing on Earth for the first time. There's a big ass crater in like a field, and Hal's like just walking out of like the wreckage of all the damage that's there. So it almost seems like that's Hal coming to Earth for whatever reason. So that's what that's almost what I'm wondering. If like they're gonna do something with Guy Gardner at the beginning, and Hal and Guy always have like a relationship where those two never get along, ever. They always butt heads. So I'm wondering if that's why Hal's like, nah, I'm the only Green Lantern on Earth. This guy's a fucking asshole, and I can't stand him. And now now I gotta go solve like where the fuck he ended up to and why his ring's looking for you know, like I'm wondering if to me that seems like the most logical premise for this show out of like the if if that's what you're gonna do, and then you set up Nathan Phillian being in that other universe now with Peacemaker, and like of all the people for Peacemaker to be stuck with is Nathan Phillian, the guy who he just had in if you know the last season of Peacemaker talking shit about him and saying he wasn't a real fucking hero. Like, that would be a fun, okay. You you got me now for Superman if that's the case, you know what I mean? And that's where we're going with this.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Also, like how are we feeling about you know the scene where he went and and Hal Jordan is flying, but he's flying, and this could have just been an edit, but he's flying where like screen aura around him or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Yeah. I I I saw it and it's it's less like a Superman because it's you know, Superman's actually like flying, flying. Hal, it's it's the ring, it's it's all through the ring. So yeah, the fact that there's no like we didn't see like any kind of glow around him when he's flying or stuff like that, because that's something normally you do see in the comics, is is usually like when he's flying or using the ring, he's encased in the green. Um, so I don't know. It might have just been a choice, it just might have been a a stylistic choice of like, look, I don't want to give away too much with this show. And the premise of this show, again, is more so focused on them solving whatever case they're solving and how training John. So it's gonna be more grounded, it's not gonna be big galactic, you know, space battle that we're gonna see in this show.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

So this is all gonna take place on Earth. So I'm wondering if like that's why this trailer is the way it is. It's like James Gunn wanted to show everybody that hey, this is the premise of this show. This is like how we're selling it to you. We're not selling it to you on them using the constructs and flying around and doing all this crazy shit. Like, we're gonna sell it to you on this drama of a of an old vet teaching this young kid, and like build around that. And we'll get to the constructs and we'll get to all that, which would be I'm fine with. Again, like the premise of the show already has me sold, so I'm in. Like, I I don't I I'm I'm already in just off the crime drama and them solving the case. Like, the lanterns thing isn't almost like how I felt with Wonder Man. Remember how I said with Wonder Man, like if that wasn't a Marvel show, I would have still watched it and and probably liked it even more than if it wasn't a Marvel show, um, just dealing with actors and you know the the drama of Hollywood, I would have been totally sold on that show by itself with without it. So I almost feel the same way going into lanterns and and yeah, same.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

I'm I'm feeling it's about it.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

Yeah, it it should be fun. It's it should be really cool. So um yeah, I I'm I'm excited. Uh when does that come out? Do we have an official date for that or or no?

SPEAKER_00 21:48

I don't think there's a date for that.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

It's just it's just kind of build is like late spring, I know like early summer, late spring, like um end of end of May probably, somewhere around there. Cause when Supergirls like right around that time too, right? And this is maybe June then? Because I think Supergirl's a May release.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Uh it it is. Oh, okay, so uh August is supposed to be coming out. Um later.

unknown 22:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Alright, so we'll have lanterns. We'll have lanterns probably squaring off with Ahsoka, because I have Ahsoka coming out somewhere around that time, season two of Ahsoka, unless Ahsoka's gonna be a winter thing. But I would assume last time they did Ahsoka, she was in like end of summer going into fall. I would assume they probably stick to that for season two, but I guess we'll see how how Star Wars ends up playing out. Speaking of Star Wars, um, we got the Mandalorian, more stuff from The Mandalorian. Um, did you happen to see the Empire magazine interview and and pictures that were were published?

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I saw the pictures, but I didn't see the interview.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Okay, so they they did show off actual photos of Rod of the Hutt, Jeremy Allen White. Um He looks epic. What do what do you would you think he looked like? Like I thought he looked pretty fucking cool.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Uh yeah, yeah, he actually looked pretty cool for like like I said last time, like I'm not really so sold on on this the Jabba the Hutt son story thing, but seeing a close-up picture, kind of getting a more idea of what he really looks like. Um it was cool to see. He's actually more f Jabba the Hut looking than I thought he was. I thought he was gonna be a little bit more huskier or like because he's younger or whatever, and whatnot. But he's got a six pack. Yeah, he has a six-pack, but it's like a fat six-pack. So it's yeah, so it's funny, it's pretty, it's really cool to see to see it. Um and and yeah, like the design looks cool. I I like that he has the two blades that are kind of like uh what is the thing?

SPEAKER_03 23:50

He's fighting in a gladiator pit in the in the the concept or the the photo or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah, he has the two blades on him, like that are like knuckles. Kind of reminds me of uh who is that? I think that's Kano from Mortal Kombat who has those blades. Or yeah. Um, but yeah, he he's he's cool. Uh I'm I'm I'm down I'm down I'm down for the design and him as a character. I just can't want to see his role and in action.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

It seems to me that he's gonna be a big focal point in this movie, especially because Jeremy Allen White was talking about in the interview how um Rod of the Hutt is kind of living in the shadow of a legacy that he's trying to pave his own way. So I thought that was interesting. That okay, so you're giving him that much part of this movie that like we're focusing on him too throughout this story of you know, this basically the son of this notorious hut, you know, that ran the galaxy. He's his father's dead, most of his family's dead at this point because Maul killed most of them at the end of the Clone Wars, and whoever whoever was still a part of Crimson Dawn, Maul wipes out eventually. Um so yeah, it's pretty much just the twins, his his his uncle and aunt that are gonna be big parts of this movie as well. And Rada apparently is fighting in these pits, like these gladiator pits. So that's why you see him like holding those two crazy axes, and like you know, that's that's where he he's he's down there like fucking gladiator, just fighting it out, and uh apparently like trying to pave his own way, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

What happens? We see this movie, and he plays the same exact role as Hulk played in Love and Thunder, and it's we guys we all thought it was we were gonna get like a planning Hulk movie and whatnot, and it was just a quick, you know, they they meet, they exchange who they are, and it's a oh my god, moment, and then that's it.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

All this for that my assumption would be so uh the other thing too is a lot of people don't remember that the original job of the hut was all practical, so most of this is all CGI, there's no practical effects to to this route of the hut, like this is all digital. Um, so that'll be interesting to see how he moves and how he looks like on screen, like motion, you know what I mean? It's cool to see a picture and see what he looks like, but to actually see how this gladiator slug moves, and you know, it doesn't look real, does it not look crazy?

SPEAKER_00 26:30

How are you in the ring right now fighting for your life?

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Well, there is instances of other huts that like if you remember the Clone Wars, like we see Rada as a as a child in the Clone Wars. He's the baby that that basically the first Clone Wars movie that started the animated series off of, he's the whole revolving of the plot. Like it's all about saving Rada the Hutt, which Ahsoka does. Ahsoka is the one who saves him and basically gives him back to Jabba. So you you've seen this character before if you're a longtime Star Wars fan. It's not like it's a new character, you're just seeing now, okay, all these years later. There is a premise in uh the aftermath books. So the aftermath books came out after the sequel either either around the time of the sequel trilogy or after the sequel trilogy, and they were basically made as as books to try to flush out more of the story and kind of explain things that the sequels just didn't or or really didn't touch on. So you basically go through how the first order was born and all this shit, but in those chapters, they have um interludes that take place throughout the book, and one of the interludes is Cobb Vanth, the introduction of Cobb Vanth, who we've we've seen in Mandalorian. Um one of those storyline chapters that take place throughout the books is Cobb Vanth being on Tatooine and basically looking for Rada. He's he's trying to find Rada and he does, and he uses Rada to take over the throne of Tatooine, basically training Rada to be the heir apparent to you know take over Jabba's palace, which is what they did in Boba Fett already. So that's what I'm almost wondering if they're gonna fix Book of Boba Fett and get Boba, Cobbanth, uh Chrysanton, and Fenneck all out of there so that they can be part if if Falone is doing this big culmination movie, Heir to the Empire, you would want those characters involved in the story. So maybe that's how they move them off of Tatooine and get them involved. You know what I mean? By like Mando's gonna find Rada. It looks like Mando and Rada fight in the pit at some point throughout the movie, but then maybe Rada, knowing that the twins are involved, maybe Rada and Mando actually like form a relationship, and Mando's like, hey, I can get you back to your your dad's palace, and we could use you on Tatooine being in charge. You know what I mean? Or or maybe get him out to like so I don't know if you know either. Like, Tatooine isn't the hut planet, the the huts have a planet um called Nalhutta, and basically it's a planet full of huts, and like Jabba's family is just like the the empire of that hut. So, like, all the huts control the crime syndicates, all of the huts ran the spice and and ran all these things, and Jabbo, it was just his family that was the one that was in power. So, like, that could be the move is like the mafia, yeah, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, the mafia basically. They they're the mob, the the huts are the mob in Star Wars, and so like I wonder if like that's gonna be the play, is like let's get Jeremy Allen White's character back there so he can run things from there, or do we do it on Tatooine? Because it seems like the twins came from somewhere when they came to Tatooine, and they only did it because they basically were just like, hey, this isn't gonna stand. We're working with Crimson Dawn and and the crime syndicate, and we're taking Tatooine back. And like it was just Bobo who was like, nah, fuck you, this is my planet. Like, I'm taking Tatooine. And it's gonna be interesting to see how that like plays out.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

I I'm yeah, I was gonna say, I definitely see them at some point getting to a point where they are gonna team up because I mean you do see them leaving outside of the arena at some point when he's like grappling on him and they're having like a duel outside the the arena, and just so it's just a way uh how the how the story has to go, and like we mentioned already, like I feel like that point is going is is inevitable.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Yeah, like that's how that's how Chrysanton gets introduced in Book of Boba Fett. It's the twins basically hire Santo to go kill Boba, and then he fails. And then basically the the Huts basically tell Boba, like, no, you can keep him or you can kill him. It doesn't matter to us, like he's your property now. You know, he failed his job. So I'm wondering if like that's what we're gonna see here. Like they were cool with Rada staying on the pits, but now maybe that Mando's going to him looking for him to to you know get him to be back in charge of the crime syndicate or get whatever information that he has that that Mando needs. Maybe that's when the twins get involved of like, no, now you're fucking with our shit with this kid and we can't have that. And then maybe Rada like ends up showing up and being the cavalry for Din. I don't know. Like, I don't I'm you're right. I I definitely feel like the Hulk comparison to Ragnarok is is is spot on of what you said. Like, we're gonna have him be a part of this movie and probably play that same type of role. He'll be involved in the whole plot of the movie, he'll be involved in in you know, pretty much the movie, but kind of in that secondary role of of helping. And we also have Zeb involved in this movie big time. So from Star Wars Rebels. So Zeb is also gonna be like in that role of like his kind of partner on this whole entire thing. I'm I'm really you guys know me, I'm a Star Wars Rebels guy. That is my favorite Star Wars. I'm really hoping to get an Ezra cameo at the end of this movie. I don't know if anyone's in this movie, um, other than like the people we've seen, because I don't even think Carson Tever or like Bo Katan or any of those characters are even gonna be in this movie. But I would really, really love to see Bokatan again. I know we're gonna see the Ezra reunion at some point with Zeb because we we didn't get it in the end of Ahsoka. So I'm wondering if like season two of Ahsoka we get that, or if maybe they they have Ezra, like in my mind, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:31

No, no, it would be more make sense that it it they do it for the movie because that's something that we've been asking for for the longest.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

So in my mind, the since Grogu didn't train with Luke very long, he only stayed there for however long he was with Luke. In my mind, I still feel like if if Grogu's gonna be trained in Mandalorian, but he's gonna be a Jedi down the line, and we're gonna have Grogu be part of you know, Ray's Jedi movies and whatever other stuff they do down the line. I feel like you do need to introduce another teacher for him at some point. And like with Zebari being part of this movie, Ezra does make the most sense. He doesn't have a Padawan. I feel like Ezra's gonna take Jason Cindula as his Padawan, you know, Kanan's son. I feel like that's the route they're definitely gonna go at some point. I really want to see them do the Jason solo story with Jason Cindula. To me, that like money. If if you make Jason Cindula and we watch this little kid eventually become the villain of the sequel trilogy later on, of whatever these next three movies that they're gonna do, I'm here for it. But I feel like Ezra would make a perfect person to be the other person to train Grogu. Of like, hey, you learned from Luke, now you're gonna learn from the other Jedi who's born the same day or the day before Luke. Like, they're literally only a couple days apart. They're literally the same age. They've him, Leia, and Luke are all like pivotal characters in Star Wars if you really look at the scheme of things. So I don't know, that would be really cool to me to see like Ezra be the one to train Grogu with the lightsaber and maybe rebuild the the darksaper for him or something along.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

It would also build a new relationship, like marketing-wise, for people to go back and watch Rebels as well and check it out because a lot of people haven't never really checked out Rebels because uh it it looked more cartoony-ish. So, like a lot of people will get will get into that and it would spark a lot of good shit out of that to come back.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

And uh and I will argue that the yeah, I will argue that the first season of Star Wars Rebels isn't the greatest. It's it's very much more geared towards towards Disney, you know, kid show. But by the time that season ends, I think I think it finds its footing of what it wants to do. And I would argue with anybody that Star Wars Rebels season three through six or whatever, five, however many seasons there are of it, they have more cohesive lore building in that show than even Clone Wars did or the movies did. Like you get to see Leia, you get to see Lando, you get to see Hondo, you get to see Space Pirates, you get to see The Empire, Thrawn, and all of these things, the Mandalorians. Like that that's the show that established all of this Mandalorian culture that we're seeing now in Mandalorian. You know what I mean? So it's really cool. In my opinion, it's a must-watch. If you haven't seen Star Wars Rebels, like go back and watch it. You get Darth Maul, you get Ahsoka, you get Inquisitors, you get so much stuff. And Kanan, Freddie Prince Jr. playing Canaan, like, come on, you can't. And Vanessa Marshall is Hera. Oh, it's just a fancy.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah, definitely highly recommend folks out there who haven't watched Rebels to go check it out. Even Clone Wars, too. But Rebels more so than anything because the these next few Star Wars um uh movies and television shows that we're gonna be getting are are gonna be heavy in in what happens there. And it's it's very important that you guys check out those those shows because you you're gonna wanna you're gonna want to know.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

And especially you want to go back to Clone Wars and watch the Mortis arc, especially for Ahsoka season two. Um those those monuments at the end of Ahsoka Season 2 that Balin was standing on, those are the Mortis gods. So we're we're getting Mortis in Ahsoka Season 2 on Paridia where Ahsoka and Sabine and Huyang are stayed. So those are important episodes to definitely go back to.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

If it wasn't for that, I would have never been put on to Clone Wars or Rebels, to be honest. You know what it was for me?

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Um, they were on Netflix at the for for whatever time. And I had I had watched Clone Wars when it was on, because like Clone Wars used to come on uh as part of like a cartoon network block. So like when I'd get out of school, it would be like on. So I'd catch it every once in a while and stuff like that. But it was when I was older, you know what I mean? And then at the time I had no idea how much it connected into Star Wars. I just thought the same thing as most people. Oh, it's like a Star Wars like kid show. But then like I actually sat down and watched it, and then yeah, when it went up on Netflix, I literally binged all the seasons and watched everything, and then they came and did the final season, and um I was hooked like when Disney Plus launched and we we had all that, we had all Rebels. Um, I had tuned into Rebels late too. Rebels I had watched in real time. Um, I had actually seen like a teaser for Darth Maul, and I was like, wait, Darth Maul's back? I gotta watch this show. And then I went back and like binged the seasons to catch myself up as the show was still going on. And to me, like Ezra is my favorite Jedi. There is, I I like him more than Luke Skywalker, I like him more than Anakin. For me, the ghost crew, I relate to those characters the most for me. So so for me, like just personally, that's my Star Wars. Like, I love those characters, I want to continue to see them in Ahsoka and see what happens to them and and you know, hopefully get to see most of those characters live to to be part of Rey's sequel trilogy later down the line. Um, yeah, I'm just I I I for me, for whatever reason, I just feel like that would be so cool to see Ezra be the one to train him, but I have a feeling we're gonna get the Jason Sol uh Cindula route where you know that'll be Ezra's Padawan eventually. Yeah, but um there was there was definitely some other Star Wars stuff that that came out, and it's just kind of a quick bullet point. Um, Leslie Headlin, we were talking about it, the um the creator of the Acolyte show. She was talking more about the Acolyte. Uh, we did touch about the Qui-Mir stuff and Qui-Mir being the the first initial Knight of Ren, I guess the the way this story was gonna play out, that he was gonna split and not be part of like the rule of two. He was actually gonna be like an adjacent Sith line that split off. Um, according to her, so as we know, we saw Yoda at the finale of the show. Vanestra coming to Yoda and basically coming to confess what she did, her cover-up to Yoda. According to Leslie Edlin, she had said that Yoda was gonna be a big part of season two, and that Yoda was gonna cooperate the cover-up, and basically we were gonna get to see Yoda's dark side and see that he was lying and manipulating stuff this far back. Now, now what are your immediate thoughts hearing that? Because I have quite a few.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Just because, like, the way how they went about this show in general, and then the because just uh just the writing, I I wasn't I wasn't a fan of the show, just to start off with that. And then when they threw Yoda stuff at the end of it, it was almost as if like uh they're playing with my intelligence and like if I was stupid or whatever, because it's like we were waiting for this level of like Star Wars stuff from the beginning of the show, and then now you give it to us here after we already went through so much bullshit with the the the I already forgot half of the characters in the show, but the the the dude who was supposed to be the villain that was more like a knight, and then you showed us the then you showed us the character that we we also have been waiting for. That's a that's another Sif. And now you want to tell me you were gonna do more with Yoda, which which I makes I kind of I I buy it because that that's you showed me him, and it's feel like you wanted to do more, but you still wanted to still tell your story that you had originally originally wrote, which was not good. But now you say this, I don't know. I just feel like they're trying to start stuff again to maybe redo new the show and just get it. They're not getting it. There's no way.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Yeah, yeah. Disney's not spending that budget again on this show. Uh, there's no way in hell. Um, they could definitely rework some of this stuff. She would not be back as the showrunner, they would have somebody else doing this. But for me, like, all right, I understand if you're looking at the big scheme of things and you're looking at the clone wars, yes, Yoda knew shit was going on during the clone wars. Um, he kept sensing it, he kept feeling it, he just couldn't see the vision, so he didn't know where he knew there was another Sith Lord out there, he knew they were being manipulated from both sides. And I guess if you want to implicate him in covering up or like, you know, having some hand in that, yes, maybe, but in the long run, like he knew he was aware of these things and he was trying to fix them, but he was trying to keep it in-house, where like him and Mace Windu were pretty much the only two that knew that hey, this is what's going on. We gotta keep a lid on this. We need to figure out what's going on before we end up getting fucked. And then they order 66 happened and they got fucked. Um you know what I mean? Like, that's that's basically what happened. Like, they they played into it instead of like they took the army from the clones and you know, they played into the whole thing. So I I see the logic from that standpoint, and I could also look at the original trilogy, like, all right, Obi-Wan and Yoda lied to Luke to an extent. They told him his father got killed by Vader, not that his father was Vader. But to me, that's that's again from a certain point of view, just like Obi-Wan says, it's not it's not like he straight up like lied to him. He just didn't want to tell him that, hey man, your your father went fucking evil and and I left him burning in a pit of lava. Like, how do you explain that to the kid? Of like, hey, I fought your dad in a pit of lava and left him there to die, and then he didn't die. And then some years later, I ran into him here on Tatooine and you know, from the Kenobi show, and he almost killed me. He almost burned me again. Like, well, how do you tell a kid that, you know, about his dad? So, yeah, like I could understand why Yoda and Obi-Wan, you know, did that, and it made sense from their character standpoint of like why they kept it a secret. They didn't want to fuck up Luke and like they didn't want him to have that trauma, essentially. That's basically what they did. They were trying to spare him that that grief, right? And that just hoping that like he would do it anyway, he would just go through with it and do it, not knowing that Vader was his father, and then Vader was the one who changed the game and told him, and then that's when Yoda's even like told you he did. Like, okay, so this changes things. Now I have to tell you about your father. And like, no one was closer to Anakin than Yoda was, as far as like in the council, and and like, you know, there's there's Clone Wars episodes of them together a lot, and like uh Yoda has missions with R2 a couple times where like R2 went with him to do the training to become a force ghost, R2 took him to the planet to do it, like so there there's like a lot of stuff in the lore that's like there that I guess maybe if you're her, you're looking at from one point of view, not knowing the all encompassing stuff of it. And I could see the perspective, but I'm sorry if you had Yoda be complacent in like a full Jedi cover up of you know, I I understand the implications too. Like they did it because they didn't want the Senate involved in the Jedi Order and overseeing the Jedi Order. So they they covered up Seoul, you know, they blamed it all on Seoul rather than let people know that hey, there's this Sith Lord out there that we can't fucking stop, and we don't know where he is or where he's going or what's happened, you know. And like I understand that, but at the same time, like Yoda's not gonna be the one to to take part in that. Maybe Chiati Mundi, he's there. You could have you could have had Chiati Mundi. We we already hate Chiati Mundi for those that don't know his species.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

I gotta say, which one was that?

SPEAKER_03 44:32

He's the cone head one uh with the long mustache and beard. Um, Chiati Mundi is from a species that basically the women outnumber the men 10 to 1. And the the women, uh so basically, Chiati Mundi is allowed to father as many children as he wants. And so he's got all these bastard children just from banging all these alien chicks to to further his race. And so, like, we always in the Star Wars community, we always joke about him being like the deadbeat dad of the Star Wars like lore because he is. That's that's his character, and he's just kind of an asshole. Like he he's he's always a dickhead in the in the fant in like the Phantom Menace in Return of the Jedi and in Attack of the Clones, he's just an asshole. In the TV show and Clone Works, he's an asshole. And then you see him in Acolyte Young, and he's an asshole. So it's like it's kind of his character at this point. Like, so it would have been easy to just say, okay, yeah, Chiati Mundi, I could believe covering up this shit and not telling Yoda. But when you have Yoda, who for most people is our epitome of good, I understand that this could play into Mandalorian, right? Like, hear me out. We could get the shoe drop that Grogu is Yoda's kid and Yattel's kid, which they needed I'm sure they needed to be. I'm sure that's gonna be the case. I mean, they're the only two species we know in existence in the entire universe, and they just happen to be at the Jedi Temple where Grogu also was. So logic there, logic there would say that Yoda, Yoda broke his vows at some point. Yeah, they were hopping on the good foot and doing the bad thing, you know? Like so I'm sure that's gonna come out eventually about Yoda, and that's gonna be this big revelation of like, oh, this great Jedi master did break his vows and and did the same thing Anakin did. He he was fucking and he had this little baby Grogu, and now we're seeing the lineage carry on. I could 100% see that happening, but there's a difference between you know Yoda wanting to fuck and Yoda covering up a whole conspiracy and being like uh an evil guy in the Jedi Order. Like, you can't you can't do that. Like, if I was Disney, I would have been like, absolutely not, absolutely not. Your show is canceled. Like immediately.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

If you're if you're uh feloney, you have to say that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

Yeah, yeah. If I'm feloney, I'm I'm immediately like, no, you are not doing this. Like, I'm cool with framing it other ways. Like I said, you want to put it on Chiatimondi, they never they never really come tell Yoda the truth, and Yoda's under the impression that this is what happened. Okay, he he believed the lie and kind of got wrapped up in it. I could see that. That's that's one version, but like having him complicit and covering up a whole conspiracy theory and you know, doing all this other shit. No, I'm sorry, you can't do that to Yoda. Like, I I again I could I I can tolerate Grogu being his kid. That that makes total sense, lore-wise, like a hundred percent sense. Yoda and Yaddle got loaded, yeah. That's what everybody was saying. She gets she gets killed in Tales of the Jedi, so like, yeah, she wasn't around. You know, Grogu was already born, and now Grogu's an orphan, you know, like it makes sense, lore-wise. Like, there's no there's no reason why that doesn't work. Okay, it it does make us look at Yoda a little bit differently because even Yoda broke his vows. But I feel like that's the one vow that nobody like even with Game of Thrones, nobody looked at Jon Snow any different when he broke his vow and and slept with uh Egret. You know what I mean? Like we were all like, nah, he's still king of the north, we still want to see that guy succeed. Like, I feel like that's how we would feel getting the Yoda news too, of like, oh no, Grogu is Yoda's kid, and and that's another reason why I would love to see Ezra be the one because Ezra and Yoda have this relationship that is from established in Rebels, like firmly. So it would be cool to see Ezra be like, oh shit, like I I knew your dad. Like, you know, that would be a cool way of doing it. Same thing like with Ahsoka. Ahsoka knew knew who he was and you know was was talking to him, but never brought up Yoda. So I always thought that was interesting, you know. Like they never even touched on that, they just kind of brushed over the fact. But and then some some other Star Wars stuff. Um, the guy who played Lionel Baratheon in Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is actually in Starfighter. I don't know what role he's playing or like what who he's playing in the movie, but apparently he is in the the Ryan Gosling Starfighter movie, and he talked about that he really feels like it's this is the movie to bring Star Wars back, that it's not Mandalorian, that you know it's not Ahsoka season two, it's Starfighter that we have to wait till next year for. That this is gonna revitalize Star Wars fans and this is gonna be an epic movie. He he just kept talking how you know how great it was, and I could see that from him. You're coming off doing a successful, you know, Knight of the Seven Kingdom show that you're still gonna be a part of. Now you got to be in in game of uh Star Wars universe. So like you're living, you know, out of 10.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

I can 100% see to medieval times, to like that's the best, man.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

And like ones and like I'm not familiar with the actor enough to be like, oh yeah, I've seen him in other stuff. Seeing him as Lionel Baratheon in that role was like the first time I've really seen him, but he does look different. I noticed in the shot for Starfighter and the interview, like him without his facial hair shaved the way and his longer hair, he does look like a totally different person. So I was like, I might have seen him and stuff and just never realized it. You know what I mean? It's just just the look of of Lionel, you know, is what I'm associating with him. Yeah. Um, but from what he said is Starfighter had an original ending that they shot and that they went back and shot a different ending. And he said that he feels this new ending is even better than the original one they shot. Um, do you care to speculate like what you think that ending might be at all? Like, do you have any theory of like this? I know we talked about this movie at length a couple weeks ago. Because they're not. And we kind of gave our speculation, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

They didn't say there will be any s lightsabers in this or anything like that, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:54

No, this is this is the show, this is the movie that does have quite a bunch of lightsabers. Even the the fact that Tom Cruise apparently shot one of the lightsaber pilot.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Starfighter, yeah, a Starfighter pilot. Um Yeah, I I don't know though, because I I really don't have any idea about what this movie even is. Um If I had a spectate, I would imagine it has some and something to do with Ray and just what what what she's been up to and and things of that nature, and what how what what what we got we're getting going forward. Um I remember we talked about we well, I think I shared it with you, but we sh we we talked about it was it was all the the the the concept art of what the end of um the Jedi end of the end of the Colin Trevaro's original script for for episode three is what he's talking about, or episode uh eleven or whatever, ten. So then they talk about like Finn taking over like that one planet and and stuff like that. So maybe when one of those um since since that came out again, maybe they may they may that comes from reference from that. So maybe we get something from there. I I don't really know, but I that if I had to speculate, that's where my mind goes.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

So from from what I know about the plot of this movie, apparently Ryan Gosling is taking this kid who is his nephew or related to him in some way, and getting him someplace. So my assumption from the jump always was oh, we're gonna get Ray. Like, they kept saying this movie was a standalone movie, but the minute I heard there's multiple lightsaber battles in the movie, but Ryan Gosling apparently isn't a Jedi, who's fighting with the lightsabers? Right. And like, so you would think that all right, Matt Smith and Mia Goth are the villains of this movie. They could be Sith or or you know, something that has a saber. Um, and then you get the Ray cameo at the end of the movie. I've always said that I think that's what this was always gonna be, regardless. But the fact that they went back and reshot the ending makes me like, oh no, they they went and put Ray in the movie. Um So watching the watching The Force Awakens the first time, right? I felt like Mark Hamill, you know, like where he's he's told the story about he's reading the script about at the end of the movie where like Kylo and Ray are fighting his sabers in the snow, and you know, they're both pulling at it, and it the saber flies. When Mark Hamill read the script, he thought Luke was gonna be the one that like caught the saber and came in and saved the day at the end of that movie, and like got them out of there, and like it would have been a much more epic ending to me if that's the way they went. But I'm wondering if like that's almost what they're gonna do with this, is like, all right, you think Ryan Gosling and this kid are fucked. Like the ending of this movie, these guys are not getting out, and then all of a sudden, here comes the Millennium Falcon flying in, and boom, here comes Ray, and swipes in and saves the day. Like, I could 100% see that being the end of this movie, and that you know, the whole plot of this movie was to get this kid to Ray. Um especially if he's a Jedi, if he's the other kid fighting with a saber. Apparently, from from what I'm gathering about the plot synopsis, Amy Adams is gonna be playing his mother. I don't know if that means she's Mara Jade. She's just a redhead, guys with that's probably gonna be a a Jedi. Um, so it's possible that she is Mara Jade. It's it's very possible that they could say that this kid is Luke Skywalker's kid, and and we don't know. Luke doesn't know that he has a kid, you know, even has a kid. That would be an interesting twist to really like cement this a little bit more. Um but I have a feeling that she's gonna be killed off early in the movie, and like that's that's probably the opening scene, is like we see her die and we see the kid escape to the uncle and get out of there, and then the whole goal is to get the kid to Ray. That's always what I've kind of thought based off this.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

I also don't see it not being where Ray is is in this whole movie, and it's just they're not speaking about the Ray.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

I don't think she's in the whole movie. I I I I could literally just see it being the ending of the movie, regardless, whether that's the end point destination or they do something where, like, oh, she comes in and saves the day, and that's how we end this.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Because I feel like they ended the movie, so you have to start the universe again with her. So ending it and starting making a movie like this for it to go there makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_03 55:27

Makes it makes a hundred percent sense for the whole trajectory of everything, especially if we're getting the the next three movies being you know, Ray involved. Like, all right, cool. If that's the route you're going, then we need to see her again at some point and we need to just continue. Whether you kill her off now when we get to the opening of the new trilogy and we establish other characters, that's fine, you could do that. But I kind of feel like she's just gonna be the Yoda role, like going forward. I feel like whatever we get with this new Jedi Order, I feel like she's gonna be like in the Yoda role in this position. Like, whatever we get with this new Jedi Order, I could see her not being the focal point of the stories anymore. Like, I could see her being the the elder council member, you know what I mean, and like her being that that Yoda role on the council of this new council that maybe includes Sabine and Ezra and Ahsoka if they're still a but I don't I don't know if she's gonna be the main character that they're gonna focus on going forward. I could see her very much being integral to all of this stuff and being kind of the mentor and the guide, but I I I don't know if she's gonna be the focal point that you're gonna be able to build these next couple movies off of. Like, I don't I don't really see that. I the the bad taste of the sequel trilogy is not wiped out of people's mouths. And I have a feeling if if that is where they're going with Starfighter, like if that is the big reveal at the end, right? That raise in the movie, you might get people that turn around and and say, Man, I love Starfighter up until the point I saw her. And as soon as I saw her, I knew where this was going, and I was out. Like, I don't want anything to do with the sequels. And I don't blame people for feeling that way. Like, when you think of those movies, you think of her. It's you didn't want to green light the Kylo Wren movie for whatever reason. So, why would you think doing more stuff with her is gonna be the logical thing going forward, either? I I feel like it could bite them in the ass if that's the way to go. Oh, they they want her to work, they invested billions of dollars in her to get that character to work, and unfortunately, like even with Finn, okay, you could come back and make Finn part of this new Jedi order and all of that, like he was supposed to be a Jedi in the in the movies, but never got there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

The way they played us in those trailers was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

But I I even feel like him, like, I feel like all of the shit he's talked in the past couple years about Star Wars and then going back and forth about, oh, I don't want to be a part of it anymore. Oh, I would love to come back if the money's just I feel like him as a person and as an actor, just like rub me wrong to the point where like I don't even want you to come back, bro. Like, I'm good if they don't include you in whatever they're doing at this point. I'm good if they don't include Oscar Isaac either in whatever they're gonna do forward. Like, I don't feel like moving forward with the sequel trilogy as your backdrop is gonna be successful for a lot of people. I don't feel I feel like you're gonna lose more people than you're gonna gain if that's your the way you're marketing this. Okay, you might get Ray and Grogu together. Cool. That doesn't do anything for me to keep me interested in Star Wars. It's like, oh, though those are the characters I want to. I want to see Grogu become an adult and be more involved and talk, have a lightsaber and flip around like Yoda. I would love that, but I would have to see a conglomeration movie. Like, I would need Sabine, Ezra, Cal you know, no, no, no. I would need more than just it being a Rey movie. I would need a full Jedi Order movie. I would need Sabine, Ezra, Cal Kestis, whatever other fucking Jedi are alive at this point, all part of Rey's new order, and you're going up against a threat, whether it's the Yusong Vong or the Grisks, which are the same thing. Legends and canon, they're the same exact thing. They just have two different names. Um, to me, that's like that's cool. Okay, I'd love to see this group of Jedi fight this other species that came from the far reaches of space that we haven't encountered yet, that have armor that aren't phased by lightsabers, that the force really doesn't work on them too much. Like, that's an interesting plot line of something that I would like to see. I don't care about more just solo ray stuff. And for me, like I'd be out if that's where they're going with it. Like, all right, they might include this kid from Starfighter. Ryan Gosling might come back to be part of this other trilogy that doesn't do anything for me as like making me invested in in what they're gonna do, or I want to go see that. No, I'm I'm sorry, it doesn't do it. Like, I don't know if that does it for you. Does Ray make you want to go like them coming back to her make you want to go see stuff or no?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:20

This is what I would say. It it does make me want to go back because I want to see what they do with it. I'm I'm I'm one to give second chances. You want to see where her character goes. The bad taste that she did put in my mouth in when in her in in the new Star Wars movies. It it is what it is, but I do want to see where they go with it, especially now that they're under new uh ownership and things of that nature. So I do feel a little bit more better as far as storytelling-wise and what they will do with her. So we'll we'll see. Um but um I wasn't this is this is this is yeah, that that I'll just say that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Alright. Alright, yeah. I I for me that that's like I said, that would be my my line in the sand of like if they're just moving forward with just her and Grogu, I'm out. Um, but if we can get more Jedi, if we can get some more characters and actually get to see like a because I don't think we we've never gotten to see that. Like Attack of the Clones, I think, was the closest we've came to seeing like the Jedi fight, you know, and it's that it's that scene in the arena where they're all coming to to save the day, and like you get to see all the Jedi fight, you know, Dooku and and his troops and stuff like that. Like, that's epic. But that's the only time I can recall, like, in any of the movies we've we've ever gotten to see like more than just like two Jedi fight or like a handful of Jedi. You know what I mean? Like, so to me, like that would be the way to get me sold, is is all right, sell me on this new Jedi Order that she's gonna make, you know. Okay, she's the the chairperson or whatever you want to call it of this new Jedi Order, but have some interesting characters be a part of that Jedi Order, and then you have to. Well, there's there's tons of survivors of Order 66, we found out. We've we've the that list keeps getting longer every every time a new show drops. We get another name of somebody else who survived Order 66. So that's what I'm saying. Like, it's there, and especially depending on whatever you do with the Thrawn soccer and how this all ends and who survives from that. I could very easily see Ahsoka being killed off and Ahsoka not being around for the sequel trilogy because you did hear her in the finale part of you know the sequel trilogy. She is Ashley Ecstein is one of the voices that speaks to Ray in in the the final moments of that movie. But Ashley was also keen to say that doesn't mean she's dead. And I was like, okay, alright, so that doesn't mean Ahsoka, Ahsoka and Sabine could still be in Paridia, Ahsoka and Sabine could be back here. I that's what I'm saying. I guess we have to see like what happens with those characters first to see who would still be alive then by the time we get to the sequel. I I do want to see Grogu grown up though. I I feel like that would be cool to see see him running around in some Mandalorian armor.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

But we'll we'll see what what happens with this.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

I feel like that's gonna be the Star Wars news.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

Yeah, that was pretty much all the Star Wars news. I do feel like that would be an interesting thing to see maybe at like the end of this movie. If if like the whole point of Mandalorian is just like Din teaching Grogu his last stuff before he goes, I would uh I would I would like to see that. That that to me would be would be interesting. Um so let's do something different that that we we haven't really gotten to talk about much is is our first real comic book event that took place since like we've started the show. We've been reading it week to week and talking about it uh every month when we do our comics list. But DCKO finally wrapped up uh with issue number five, right? Issue five it wassue number five. So so a lot of the other series were were were part of this Justice League, Superman, Teen Titans. Um I think Batman was the only thing that was kind of standalone, but they did the Batman stuff with Nightfight and all that other kind of side stuff. But um, we did get the finale. Um we did think it was gonna be Clark from the beginning that was gonna do it. How they did it though was very surprising to me. Um, so so basically, for for those of you that don't know the the KO story and what's been going on, Scott Snyder and Josh Williamson put together this epic thing for all in and the creation of the absolute universe, um splitting off and doing those titles, and DC KO being the main event that was taking place at the time where basically all of the the superheroes in the DC universe and a couple of the villains had like an all-out battle, like an arcade battle, basically, like a mortal combat for who would get this power imbued to them that they could take on Dark Side. And and they they did an interesting thing with Doomsday in this, where Doomsday actually found his purpose and that he's not the cr he's not the life and death of Superman. He's supposed to be the the basically the tool to help Superman, which I thought was beautiful, done, done really, really well. Um that really was probably my favorite part of this. Like, I didn't care for the all-out battles and the the little spin-off books and stuff that took place out of it. I didn't read a lot of it. I read the Joker and Red Hood one and the boss battle stuff that took place. But to to see the doomsday arc take place, I'm I'm kind of sad that like he's not gonna be around going forward, because I would love to see Time Trapper, which is what they were calling him in this this iteration of himself. Um but basically it was doomsday who had made it to the end of time, and basically they did almost. Almost something similar with Franklin Richards and Galactus, where Franklin Richards and Galactus would ride out the end of the universe and the birth of a new universe together many times. And they did the same scenario with Superman and Time Trapper, that Doomsday and Superman are attached to each other. They thought it was to basically be the beginning and the end, but they realized they had to do it together. And to me that was the coolest part of it. Um what did you think of like how they set this up and and how they kind of pulled this all all the strings back together when we got to the end of this?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

So should I share I share what happens at the end before I I get into my thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

Yes, we have spoilers, guys. You the you know this show by now. We we we spoil stuff, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:48

Um if you don't want to know, skip ahead but yeah especially because this is the end of the series, so you you yeah, you already know what the whole thing went into this one. Yeah, yeah. So um so yeah, we're getting our first ever absolute fucking infinity crisis at the end of this. Absolutely. That was in itself yeah, is is gonna be so crazy because you know they've been doing with absolute Yeah, what they've been doing with bananas.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

Yeah, they're basically just I wanted to just chime in and say Darkseid is basically using all of these creations that Superman created, all of these heroes from these alternate universes, and his absolute universe to be his army now, to go against the DC universe that we've set up and and Clark. But yeah, keep going. I'm sorry, I just wanted to interject that for people again that didn't know the context.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

And the fact that Clark now is basically DC Universe's version of Mr. Dr. Manhattan because he has now we're gonna talk about that. He he he has the freaking powers to like control the universe and just he is he is everything, like he is the past, he's the future, he is all of that. And I thought that was really dope. And for Superman to be that, like, that's a no-brainer, and that's that's who he is. And I feel bad for Lois, though, because she's over here saying, like, oh, he said he's gonna come back, but we don't know what he was supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

He's not only that we don't know what he's doing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:26

I also really like the fact that they brought they're bringing reeling in the the the D the DC, I'm sorry, I'm getting my words messed up the night fight stuff with Damian Wayne and all of them, and how he's remembering here he left on the cube and how just in case he might has how Bruce might need them in the in the event of something happening again.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

Yeah, Jason Jason was shown in the montage. Yeah, and AK Jason's Jason's Batman. Yeah, yeah. Um, I liked how so Clark basically takes this alpha energy, so it was Omega, uh Alpha and Omega, and Doomsday is filled with the Omega energy, and he created the absolute universe. Clark basically embodied himself with with Doomsday's energy and became the Alpha, and he encompassed all of this, he created his own perfect universe out of everything, and instead of using the power to defeat Darkseid himself, Clark was Clark and imbued that power on everything. And in the process, Clark wiped his whole universe that he created. He watched life basically, millions of years went by in this story, it was accelerated at such a fast pace, and Clark basically created this universe from an atom and watched it grow into a planet and watched life form on this planet, and he built it into the perfect utopia where all of his friends lived happy lives, and all of everything was perfect. It was a perfect universe, and basically he could use this energy to kill Darkseid, and in that moment, rather than taking the killing blow, he wipes away that perfect world that he created and disperses the energy to all of his friends and all the other members of the Justice League to come in in the fight. And in the process, I don't know if you picked this up, but there's there's a little conversation with uh Barry Allen at the end. Barry Allen is the former Flash, Wally West is the current Flash. Um I'm looking for the panel here. So there's somebody who comes and talks talks to Barry Allen in his in his regular job now. And I don't know if you can see that. You can see this hand holding a globe, right? It's a blue hand and a blue globe. And he talks about you spared your universe. I let I let him live, and in turn, you wiped away my world. So in the process of Clark doing what he did, he wiped out the new 52 universes. So for those that don't know, DC has a number, there's 52 worlds that are encompass the DC universe, the multiverse. Clark basically destroyed the multiverse in the process, and all of these things happen. So now it's it's our Earth and the DCU and the absolute universe. And that's like Andy said, we're getting an absolute crisis that's gonna set up, and we're gonna, those of you that are in fan of Infinity Crisis and all the other previous crisis events that have happened, where we get all these epic multiverse events, we're gonna have that again with Darkseid and his army against the DCU, and they introduce the fact that the Watchman Universe was wiped out. Dr. Manhattan is fucking pissed. And Clark was the one that meant so, like, those of you guys that haven't read Doomsday Clock, there's an epic story that's that takes place where Dr. Manhattan basically was scouring through the universe. It's how Wally West went missing and and how all of these events took place because Dr. Manhattan was manipulating the time stream, and basically his whole thing was Clark. He had some obsession with this doomsday clock and and Clark being the doomsday clock that Clark was gonna be the one to destroy everything. And here it happened. Here Clark wiped away the Watchman Universe. So to me, that was because I knew I knew in the first issue of this, there's a little hint of Dr. Manhattan being involved. I thought he was the narrator for this whole story. I thought that's where we were gonna go with this. Um but then it was revealed, yeah. You know, and then it was revealed it was Doomsday and Dark Side that are both narrating the book, like from each each side. But I really you get that one little one little hint of Manhattan in the first issue, and then there's multiple references to doomsday clock throughout the whole entire KO series. So when I saw that, man, I was fucking high.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

So it's so they did they get they did get rid of the new 52 universe, right? So now that's gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:18

So so then the new 52 universe turned into the rebirth universe where they brought back a lot of continuality. That's kind of been the DCU now for the most part. There's been some other things that have come in, but they haven't rebranded everything from start again. Um, this is kind of the the new level, the all-in era, next level era of DC that they're in currently. So they're expanding upon titles. We got some new titles coming out that we talked about last week with a bunch of new books. Um but yeah, it looks like they're gonna set up the possibility of so so Watchmen was always in like a separate universe. They they weren't DC proper, even though they're all under the DC umbrella. My assumption is we're gonna get the Watchmen fully being integrated into DCU proper. So like that would be really cool to have.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

That and I mean this is for the new comic book spot, but I'll still talk about it. They we recently got the the new history books of of um for for milestone comics, and I heard it did really uh did really good. So I'm imagining that they will be bringing him into this, especially with the stuff that's happening right now with Static and Batman Beyond. I could see that coming into play here more more into fruition in the forefront, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

Yeah, I I really would be a fan of them integrating Watchmen fully into the universe. Like, I'm cool with having Raw Shank and Owlman and all of those characters be part of the DCU proper and having them interact, having them be part of the Justice League, even like I'm I'm cool with that if that's how the route you want to go. Because I feel like that would be the ultimate matchup if you're getting Darkseid, who has all of these multiversal heroes that have been consumed by his his Omega energy. So they're all they're all evil versions of superheroes that we know. We have the absolute universe. So Darkseid, all of that against the Justice League and the DCU that we know you know now, with with Dr. Manhattan and the Watchmen being the backup for that, like I'm sold if that's absolute crisis. If if that's where they're going with this, fuck yeah. You count me in. Like I'm I'm hyped for that. Like I just when I saw that panel at Barry and like who's talking to me, I was like, oh fuck, it's it's it's Manhattan, like it's Manhattan. That was influenced heavy, I think, especially in issue number four. Yeah, and they they reference in early on in issue number five when Clark does what he does and absorbs dark side uh doomsday's energy, he and he becomes the the alpha, like he referenced the shot. There's a shot that talks about you know the little blurb that says go to doomsday clock, number whatever. It's like alright, you guys are setting this up. So I'm cool with that. If if if if they're the cavalry coming to help the DCU, like, yeah, that'll be fun. I think it also could be evil, like you could have Manhattan be the third person involved in all of this shit because Manhattan is Manhattan, like he's alpha omega extreme. This man can create create reality, spend reality, change reality, do literally whatever he wants. That's how powerful Dr. Manhattan is. So that's crazy, man. Like he in in the the doomsday clock story, he plucked Wally West out of the time stream and had Wally running, basically powering his changes to the time stream. Like, that's how powerful of a dude he was, and literally wiped Wally from the universe. So the Titans and and Nightwing, and none of them even knew that Wally existed until they came in contact with him. And and Barry was the first one to come in contact with Wally to remember him. So it would make sense why Manhattan came to Barry of all people to be like, hey, I spared your fucking world. I left Superman alive. And the thanks I got was he destroyed my world. He did what I thought he was going to do. And like, here we are, crisis time. Like, I'm I'm here for it, man. It's been a long time since we've gotten a crisis. They have not done a crisis event since Infinite Crisis, I believe, was the last one. Um so it's it's been quite a while. This that was before New 52. Flashpoint Paradox was like the last crisis event, I guess you could say. That was what launched the New 52. Um, but that wasn't a crisis event. That was just more so like a story set in an alternate earth, you know, set in Earth 3 or Earth 2. Um so yeah, I'm I'm here for it. I'm I'm I'm here for a crisis event from DC, especially with Snyder and Williamson helming it. Like these two are on a tear. Yeah. And like absolute, absolute Batman is just continuing. This week, if you if you've been reading Absolute Batman, this week they reprinted every single issue. So if you need to go get them, go to your comic book shop. They also issued trades for every single absolute series. So if there's any absolute series you want to go catch up on, go to your comic shop, go on to Amazon, and you can get like reprints of these issues because every issue is a first appearance of somebody, every issue is a valuable issue down the line. Like it's crazy to think what this absolute universe is doing, and now they're gonna we're gonna prolong it at least to get an absolute crisis. I don't know if maybe that'll be the end of the absolute universe, or we continue that, but uh the Earth 2 stuff stayed on for a while. I I'm I'm here for it. I really would like to see.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

It makes me think about like the things that we talked about last part, about we just don't want these absolute stuff to be like become oversaturated, basically. And when when I seen this, I I was hyped because I understood the plot of what we're getting, but it also made me feel a little like lackluster because I was like, Oh man, like it's like when you get you, it's like when you find an artist and and he's underground, and then he gets signed to the label and gets all this great big like promo and stuff. He's out of here, it's gone. That's how I feel about the absolute universe now. Like they're just like, yeah, he yeah, he's out of here. They're out of here.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

And it's Batman, really. It's it's not even the whole absolute universe, like the other stuff's selling, obviously, but it's it's Batman that's the one that's like, man, if you're not grabbing that book when it comes out, good luck. Like you're missing that first print, and then you gotta get the second print or the third print. Or I think they're on the 11th print now of some of these books, which is fucking wild in the comic book industry. But again, this goes back to my point of what we were talking about with the Paramount merger. Like, is is this these the people that are gonna either do good with this stuff or are they gonna fuck this all up for the comic book industry? And that's one of the things that I'm afraid of with this whole thing. Is is you know, they're they're single-handedly revitalizing the the comic book industry right now. These books are selling, these books are getting picked up by people who have never been in a comic book shop because for the first time they're like, wait, they're doing something totally different with Batman, like, oh, let me check this out. Or the Superman or Wonder Woman, and it's totally different. It's all new.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

It's you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:59

I'm just I'm I'm I'm hopeful that's like you know, that absolute crisis isn't the end of the absolute universe. I'm hoping that like whatever comes out of this, hopefully we keep the absolute stuff going over here, and we keep the DCU going over here. I am looking forward. I'm glad that KO's over. Um, one of the books I was really enjoying was Justice League Unlimited because it's based off the cartoon show. They they did this whole concept of everybody got a Justice League card now. So all the heroes in the universe are all part of the league. You can constantly have a new cast of characters coming in, so it's not the same Justice League team in every issue. But like through this whole KO thing, that book really got stalled because it kind of was basically the the building block for the whole KO series. It was basically showing you the the incursions or whatever you want to call them of the DCU and the different events that were going on with all of these superheroes from different multiverses that were stuck here. Um so I'm gonna be glad to see Justice League be able to like move on now. Now we can get a news story with the Justice League team. We can kind of focus back on Booster Gold getting corrupted and like the stuff that we set up with the initial KO, like the all-in special and the all-in stuff that they were doing when these these series launched, you know? So like I am happy that some of those titles are going to be able to move forward. Same thing with Superman. I've been reading the Superman book because it's been such a part of the KO stuff. I'm interested to see like where they go with it now. Obviously, the way they end this issue, like Andy said, Clark basically tells them, like, tell Lois I'll be back. I have there's something I have to do. We don't know what that is, but Clark is gone when this event ends. Clark disappeared, and no one knows where he is. Not even Bruce and Diana. So Wonder Woman and Batman and Lois don't know where he is or what he's going to do. But obviously, we're gonna see that probably in the Superman book, would be my guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:04

I also do like how he was able to fix the timelines where you know people were able to do the things that they never were able to do. So like this was elevated.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:15

Yeah, and Superboy Prime, that was another character we didn't really talk about during this whole run. So Superboy Prime was kind of the the scapegoat that I I believe it was during the last infant, like during the last crisis event. He was apparently like part of the cause of why the universe went through what it did. So Superboy Prime had been missing for all of these years and all of this time. He got a redemption arc in this KO story to where like they redeemed him. He was, you know, the the younger brash version.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:48

He was always meant to be and stuff like that. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:51

Yeah, and s and Lois brings him back at the end of the book to introduce him to Mon Pa Kent for the first time. So like we're gonna get the Superman book with Superman Superboy Prime taking place, like for a little while, which is gonna be interesting. And now he's part of this universe, so now we have three Supermen running around. Connor's still out there somewhere, but he hasn't been involved in any of the books for quite some time since the New 52, I think, because they they did whatever they did with New 52 with Connor and kind of ruined his character, and then they replaced him basically with Jonathan Kent, which is Clark's actual son. Um so you have you have Jonathan Kent running around, he's gonna be part of the Titans book going forward, uh, with the new rebrand because they split Titans and Teen Titans. Jason Todd's gonna be taking over, guarding, you know, guiding the kids, like which are gonna be the teen titans, and then the the actual Titans book will be Starfire, Nightwing, Cyborg, you know, the characters you you know. Right, right. But um Yeah, yeah. So it's gonna be interesting to see how this is all gonna play out. There's also a Deathstroke book. There's a couple other things that are gonna be rolling out as part of, you know, the the new level stuff or next level stuff I forget next level? Next level, I think it is. But it's gonna be interesting to see what they end up doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:09

Yeah, man. I'm just I'm still on a high that Superman has the power to be like as Black Man and like that's something. Well, he doesn't anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:20

He did give it up. He that was kind of the key of how Manhattan's universe got wiped out was Superman gave it all up and in the process wiped the slate clean of of you know these other Earths that were out there. So it's gonna be And more legs.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

More legs he thought he had in the bag.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:36

And and and Lex Lex really had a great arc in this series, which were also we talked about it, I think, last week or two weeks ago, that Lex is gonna be actually official member of the Justice League again. Um, so he was a member of Justice League in the New 52 towards the end of that run and the apocalypse story that that took place. But uh, I believe it was Dark Side War uh when he joined up and became part of, but it was all a ploy during that time. Like Lex was still a very much a villain. Lex has been really changed in the comics as of late. Uh he went through a whole arc where like he he didn't even remember who he was for the longest time, and so like it's gonna be interesting to see Lex be a full-fledged member of the Justice League. Like, they really did a uh a rehab job of the character to not make him this maniacal lunatic and make him somebody who who has the right idea and kind of wants to move forward a little bit. So it's gonna be interesting. We we have Lex joining the team, we have Harley Quinn joining the team because Harley was affected by the uh the Omega energy, so she's been split into two characters now. You have Harlene Quinzel, which is gonna go back to just being at Arkham, apparently, and then you're gonna have like batshit Harley Quinn, who's gonna be wearing a bat cow and cape and be part of the Justice League. Also, I think King Shark is the other one that's gonna be added to the Justice League, and I wanna say Lobo or Deathstroke, maybe are the other ones. It I know it's like a group of villains that's gonna be inducted in this next Justice League issue, so it should be cool. Like, I'm cool with that. There's there's certain characters now that DC has done such a job of trying to transcend and change that they're bringing them back and and and trying to, you know, not make them real villains, not make them real heroes, kind of right down the middle. I'm still waiting for Jason Todd to get his Justice League card. Give Red Hood a Justice League card. He's gonna be leading the Teen Titans. I'm in on that book. I did see the the the um the creator talking about that um and saying that Jason is gonna be part of the book like major. And I guess that's how they're gonna sell it, is to people like me who like, I'll read anything Jason's in for the most part. If if I know Red Hood's in the book, I'm picking it up. So I'll definitely pick up Titans, uh Teen Titans, I should say. And And see what it's going to do. I really enjoyed the end of like this last Titans run that was part of the KO special. So I'm I'm going to be picking up both books and see where they go. I don't know about any of the other new ones. Do you have any like other new releases that are like uh Deathstroke or any of those that you're interested in that are gonna be coming?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:19

I haven't I haven't even thought about even dabbing in it, but after after reading Crisis, right now well not crisis, we're reading this DCKO stuff. Um I I am gonna get into it. The Death Stroke probably for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:32

Because what it looks cool, they're they're gonna they're going back to like Terminator Death Stroke, which is awesome too. So like you got that, you got um, you know, these Titans books, you got uh um All-Star Western, which is coming back with Jonah um Jonah Hex. Cowboy, you know, all-star. They they tried that during New 52, and it was good for a while in New 52. Like when New 52 launched, it was a pretty good book, but eventually, like people get kind of like if he's not in with the Justice League or not like in modern times, people kind of just don't care about Jonah Hex a lot of the time. Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:07

Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

Um, it just seems like like yeah, they they they they have a plan of what they're doing with this with this with DC going forward. I just hope, again, like we said, those those those plans don't get fucked up by a bunch of other people.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:28

I pray, and you know, I'm putting the best putting my good foot forward and we'll I I think we'll be alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:35

But um we we also got uh brand new brand new trailer um from the boys. Now, now I like this one, you like Invincible. So we we kind of trade off on on these two shows. But I am hyped for the final season. What did you what did you think of the trailer?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:54

So final season uh looks really hype. I'm noticing some things where I'm seeing so I I'm I really liked um Gen Gen Z. Is that what that's the Gen Ving off of what? Yeah, Gen V. Yeah, I really I really I really liked it mainly because it gave me like that X-Men feel to it uh in a boys uh theme. So watching that and then seeing where the boys is at, where I'm completely lost because I I haven't been keeping up with the voice, but I caught a um with Gen V.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:27

Um and So you saw like the ending of Gen V then where with A-Train, right? You're just lost on why A-Train's with with them.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:36

With them, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:38

Okay. Alright. Yeah. You gotta go back then and watch watch the voice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

Yes. I that's my that's on my to-do list. But I see that in the trailer and I'm like, oh shit. Wow. Um, and um yeah, and then I'm seeing stuff with homemaker going going crazy again. Um it just looks really, really hype. Uh I also noticed what's his name with powers now out of nowhere. I don't know how he got that, but that looks fun. Um and and the um the guy who has like the trench coat and the beard. Yeah, he has little butcher. He has like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:18

Yeah, I I didn't know he was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:22

Yeah, so so you gotta get caught up. You gotta you gotta watch the last couple seasons of boys that you missed. Um, and then what I would do is I would probably I would watch the couple seasons of the boys or whatever many seasons you're behind, I would catch up on that, and then I would go back and re-watch that Gen V finale um after you watch the end, because that's basically where that Gen V finale takes place is after the end of the season finale from last season of the boys. So the reason A Train and Annie are together and the rest of the crew is not there, you'll see when you get to the season finale of last season of the boys. I'm guessing that's what we're gonna see in the opening. Um, you see Starlighter kind of floating into the camp. You see Dewey in this prison gear in this camp that they're all being kept at. So I'm guessing like we're gonna open the show with the prison break, getting them out of where they are and go from there. The the coolest thing for me is Eric Kripke is the showrunner for this this series. Um, Eric Kripke, for those that don't know, did Supernatural for 15 seasons or 18 seasons, however long that show went for. Um, I was a big fan of that show. I've always supported kind of everything that he's done since then. He's had every major cast member of Supernatural involved in the boys at some point or another. This season, we're not only getting Jensen Eccles coming back as Soldier Boy, we're getting Jared Padalecki, who played Sam Winchester on you know, Supernatural, and Misha Collins, who played Castiel. All three of them are gonna be together on screen in this final season, and there is confirmed at least one scene where all three of them are in the scene together. So if you're a supernatural fan, it's gonna be fun. We don't know who Misha Collins or Jared Padaleggi are actually playing. Um, we do know that the Soldier Boy spinoff is the next thing coming. So Jensen Accles had already shot that with Stormfront, him and Stormfront going back to World War I or World War II when Vaught started. So we're gonna get to see that at some point, I think, next year. Um yeah, I'm excited, man. I'm looking forward to this. The boys comic book series and the boys TV show are two very separate things. If you're like going to read the books, be ready for like some really fucked up like you think the show is fucked up, the book is ten times worse. There's some horrible shit that happens in that book. It's written by Garth Ennis. Anyone who's been a Punisher fan and and read Punisher years ago when he was on that should kind of know like Garth's style when he does stuff like this. Um, but the Eric Kripke's done such a better job of like making this TV show and making it so much different than the books that like I I have no idea how this season's gonna end. Like normally I would go into this, like, oh yeah, this is how it's done in the book. This is probably how it's gonna happen. Did you read the book? I have no idea how this is gonna go. Yeah, there's there's uh I think six graphic novels in total for this for the boys series. But it just out there, you could pick it up. I don't have it in my collection, it's not something that I that I bought. Um yeah, but it's I I really like the show ten times better, and I'm very interested to see how much different this overall ending, the the overall premise of this is gonna be, and however they continue it. I know, like I said, we're getting the the soldier boy spin-off that's coming, but that's kind of in the past. So, what do they do going forward? Do we get more Gen V? Do we we get another show that kind of continues the soups and and all of that? I don't know, it's it should be interesting to see, but it looks like an all-out battle is gonna happen this season and a lot of people are gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:21

It's funny because that's like basically the same thing that's happening in Invincible right now. So to see these two shows head to head, both on the same platform, basically the same type of show, just animated and none, is it's really dope.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:35

Yeah, and that's ending too, right? Like that's ending a long like this is that's the final season of Invincible or not the final season of this. Okay, okay. So yeah, I guess like maybe that maybe that's gonna open the door for the G.I. Joe Transformer show after this. You know what I mean? Maybe that's kind of what uh the boys in Invincible are gone. Now we got G.I. Joe Transformers by Robert Kirkman coming in. Maybe you know that that's the way they go, but I am excited. I'm looking forward to seeing what else they're gonna do with this, and if they you know find another way to continue it once it once it's over.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:10

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:11

And there's so there's so many good actors in this show, like, oh my god, so many good actors. And Jack Quaid's great, like uh the uh uh oh my god, so many good people in this show, and and it's so great. Yeah, you gotta get caught up on it so you so you can see what's going on. And I'm I'm guessing Gene Carlo Esposino is gonna be back. I saw him in the in the in the trailer spot. So, you know, if you watch Gen V, you saw him pop up in Gen V. So we'll see now what happens next Stan Edgar, uh, you know, as as they continue through this this next season. And if he's gonna be the the new kind of CEO that's gonna step back in once they wipe out Homelander. But that final shot of him sitting in the White House, like the stuff in the show, like that's kind of what's made it fun, is like all of this stuff is very topical. It's all very serious, real stuff. But the ironic thing is this show is is shot so much in advance that like they almost predict stuff happening before it actually happens. It's it's one of those like funny things where it's like they if you follow like the VOT Twitter, the VOT Twitter like will spoof the White House Twitter all the time, and you'll get like posts about Homelander, you know, that refer to what's going on. So it's it's kind of very funny, but it's not at the same time. It's it's uh how we deal with things by laughing at it, but at the same time it's very serious. So yeah, there's there's a lot of tropes in that and and attached to that, but for me, it's just it's just a cool superhero show. You get to see like what happens when you know real world things take place with superhero powers being involved, and I think that's what makes it cool for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:50

Speaking of superheroes, we we got one more thing to talk about, and that is Daredevil. Daredevil's coming in a couple weeks, folks. I I you wouldn't know because Disney's not promoting it, and I I don't understand that move. I I don't know why. Like, I was shocked when I found out like Daredevil comes out in two weeks or three weeks. I was like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:10

I haven't even seen a trailer for it outside of like the one we're gonna talk about, but yeah, I think they're doing with the same method that they have with Wonderman, and I think they just so gun-ho on both of these series. Um a couple months ago, I had gone to a live Q ⁇ A with uh Dave Bogger and freaking the lady who plays Jessica Jones, and they spoke about the show and in very high regard. So uh uh but they spoke about that show, and then they had also spoke about Wonder Man at that time too, before it had came out. So that's why I say I feel like they have a really strong sense on what's going on with with both of these shows that are coming out, um, and then also with Vision Quest that will be after this. And um it it's it's it's the promo is is it's just starting to come up. I'm starting to see people do like uh like the the whole thing about him missing, and there there's just a lot of like actual Yeah, wanted posters for Daredevil. Yeah, wanted posters on uh on the time on the in the subway stations in New York. So that's that's fun. And um, I'm really excited for the show. The Born Again was amazing, and top of the fact that I've been reading Born Again as well, side by side, and now being able to see the show continue with it, it it is so dope. Like it's so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:31

Yeah. And it was confirmed that Finn Jones is gonna come back to play Iron Fist, which I'm not a fan of. Um, I would have preferred Jessica Henwick. Like Jessica Henwick. I I I I think we did talk about her a couple weeks ago, how she she turned down roles in Shang-Chi. They wanted her to be the main lead of that movie with with you know the as to playing the the female lead in that movie, and she turned it down. She had turned down other Marvel stuff because she really wants to come back as Colleen Wing. And to me, this was the layup of like, you just do Danny Rand got killed, and you have a better actress come in and be Iron Fist, and and now you have a girl involved in the team that's kind of very attractive and like can fight and can do all of this stuff. Like, to me, that was the the better way to go instead of Finn Jones coming back to play. But I'm hoping this leads to Jessica Henwick being involved, and I'm also hoping this leads to Misty Knight coming back. Like, if you can give me the two of them back on screen, because we only got to see that for what that that final episode of of Defenders or or like they were they were they had just met in the in the in the finale or whatever it was. So we only got them like together for a little while. In the comics, they're like an iconic duo that goes all the way back to X-Men. Like Colleen Wing is technically an X-Men character, which a lot of people don't know. She dated Cyclops for a while. Um, so that's how her and Misty Knight were originally introduced as just side characters that like lived at a college nearby that Scott was dating one or you know, dating Colleen for a while. Like, yeah, so it's cool to see that like all these years later, they're they're now both those characters are such a big part of the Miles Morales book, and like Miles has learned so much from both of them. Like Misty trained Miles on how to fight better, and Colleen showed him how to use a sword because Miles has that like energy sword that he can produce now with his powers. So it's cool to see like it'd be cool for me at least to see them kind of get more of like if we're doing this whole defenders thing with Peter forming his own team for secret wars or whatever, like them being part of it would be cool too. But there has not been mention of Luke Cage. Do you find that odd that like we have no confirmation that Mike Coulter's coming back?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:46

Yes, yes. I do find it odd because like I mentioned before in that QA, um uh the actress that plays Jessica Jones, he mentioned that in real life that they do frequents with him very often. But they're actual friends in real life, yeah. Yeah, they're actual friends, they hang out with each other in the city and stuff like that. So it just it doesn't make sense, it makes a lot of sense for why he would maybe get put into this. Another thing, too, is um there's another uh another podcast I listen to called Blurred in the Attic, and it one of the co-hosts on that is the director who did uh Luke Cage, and he's mentioned that he hasn't been in any talks of of of of uh Luke Cage being reintroduced or anything like that. Um but he also said if he did, he would we wouldn't know that though.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:40

So now like I mean like I was saying to you though, I I wonder if because of Wonder Man, we're gonna get Simon Williams taking that spot because essentially it's the same kid. Like I know they have separate powers, but essentially they fill the same role. And and I'm cool with that. If that's the route they're going where Wonderman's gonna take that spot on that team, or you know, whatever, however they're gonna do this, I'm cool with that. That's that's that's fine. Um, I did see that my that he was just Mike the actor who plays Luke Cage was just on uh Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. I did not get a chance to watch it. So he does talk about Luke Cage at some point throughout that podcast. I just didn't get a chance to to listen to it, to hear what he had to say, and and hear maybe he confirmed in that podcast that he's coming back. I don't know. I I you know I I could be missing some information vital to this topic. But so far there's been no official confirmation yet, and you would think that if he confirmed it in the podcast, that it would have been like everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:40

Yeah, it's it's it's it's gonna be interesting. Um I I hope he would come back, but like the thing was you said with him, the the only difference between him and Simon Williams is just just their characteristics and who they play in the in their roles and their environment is totally different. So yeah, it it's a lot of people. But having some having them both be part of the same team.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:05

Yeah. That's the part that I for me. I feel like they cancel each other out a little bit. Okay, okay, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, if if you're looking at forming a team, right, and you have the choice between thing and juggernaut, they both fill the same role on the team. You know what I mean? So, like, that's kind of how I'm looking at these two characters of like, all right, Luke Cage, invincible, super strong, Wonder Man, super strong, Ionic energy, and can fly. Yeah. If you're if you're putting She-Hulk and Daredevil on these other characters, like maybe you want to spice it up with this other character that you introduced that everybody seemed to really love. Like, yeah, you know what I mean? I to me that kinda they cancel each other out in the same space. Like, if if they're they're both on the team, cool, it's it's no problem, obviously. But it just kinda it it makes me feel like maybe they're they're thinking the same thing of like, uh, is it worth having both these characters on the team when we can just have one or the other? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:10

And it would also make sense because they they both are currently like wanted individuals. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:24

Yeah, Mike Coulter does a lot of TV stuff. Um, he's usually like on a lot of cop shows. Um he was like on a cop show not too long ago. Like I I forget what it was, but I don't know. He that's kind of his scene. Yeah, yeah. He's he's he does a lot of stuff. So the the both of them do. So, you know, I I would be fine either way, but for me, Danny Rand was the one where I was like, if you have a chance to recast him, recast him because he was awful as Iron Fist and Danny, like and like to me, that's what I said. To me, the layup is Jessica Henwick is like, all right, not only do you give the role to an actual Asian, you know, Asian descent, and you you have a proper Iron Fist, um you also add another woman to the team. Well, because she she thought there was hope to come back as as you know, as as her character from Daredevil. She had hoped this was before the the Daredevil Netflix stuff even occurred of like you know, like Netflix the show had ended, but she didn't know where the characters were going. So, but she had specified to Marvel, like, hey, I really want to continue playing Colleen Wing. Like, I like the character, I relate to the character, and I want to keep doing this if you're gonna bring her back. So I I hope for the love of God we get her and Misty Knight back. Because to me, like, I would take that over over Iron Fist and Luke Cage if if if I had the choice, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:53

Like, definitely, because she was really good, and that was the that was like my introduction into her.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:02

Yeah, you could easily bring her back in of like, oh Peter, Peter met her on the street. Peter's been doing this for a couple years now on his own with no backup. He met Misty Knight, you know, in the process. Okay, easy thing to set up, you know what I mean? You still have her being on the police squad, so Matt knowing her, you know, all of these. It's a very easy thing to piece together. To me, like that that would be cool. I just to me, I would have never brought back Fing Jones. I would have been like, all right, yeah, we're either gonna recast Danny Rand as somebody else, or we're just gonna pass it off to Colleen and Colleen's the new Iron Fist. It would have been an easier thing to sell, in my opinion. Plus, plus it would have been a good thing for Colleen in the books of like, oh, she's the new Iron Fist. Let's make her the new Iron Fist in the books and sell an Iron Fist book, because they can't seem to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:55

They tried.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:56

I mean they they they brought Danny back and did like a whole story where there's like two iron fists and they uh there was like a whole all new iron fist, and everybody just thought it was gonna be Shang-Chi. Like they were just gonna give Shang because like in the book, Shang-Chi doesn't have powers, he's just a really good martial artist. Like he doesn't even have the ring or anything like that. Like so it it it be it everyone kind of thought of like the no-brainer of like, oh well, he's in the MCU and he's got powers, like, oh, making Shang-Chi the new Iron Fist would have been fine. But I'm always partial to Heroes for Hire. I I always like seeing like Danny with Luke, so if we're only getting one and not the other, it doesn't do anything for me with just one and one without the other. You know what I mean? Like, I need them as a they're a package deal when I look at at Heroes for Hire. I I need them both involved. But uh yeah, that should pretty much do it for our topics for the week. Uh comics for the week. What what what comics did you have this week?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:53

So I haven't picked I have them, I just haven't picked them up, but I do have brand new new X-Men, um I new Icemen. Um I did get that on my podcast. Oh, you picked that up. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:04

I didn't pick that up this week, surprisingly. Yeah, yeah. It's um it's a collection of uh digital stuff. So it on the Marvel Unlimited app, they collected these Iceman stories and put them all in a print book. So you basically got I think it's like six issues all wrapped up in that Iceman book of digital comics, you know, that that never were in print before. So it's cool to see. They they take place like after Kirkoa, like during Kirkoa, the during the end of Kirkkoa into like the new era. So they're not timely like as far as what Bobby's doing currently, but it it's cool to see those. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:41

So I got that one. Um I did get the new uh Darth Maul one uh for the prequel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was great. Um I also got um I think we got brand new TMNT as well. Um I'm trying to think what else do I have to pick up. Um absolute. Obviously. And then yeah, I think that's everything on the top of my brain right now. There's probably more because there's always more when I get there that I forget I even had on the pool list. But yeah. Oh, then also, oh my god, this is like the most important one for me. The new freaking um I spoke about this earlier, but the new history for the uh the Dakota incident where they're basically bringing the milestone um comic uh universe into the DC universe, and it's also playing off of the stuff that's been happening with I I have it somewhere around here, but with Batman and Static Beyond Batman and Static, yeah. Um I have it right here. That one is really good. And I and I did hear from the from the show from the comic writers that they did sell out and they're on their way from a second for a second print now. So yeah, that one did really great.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:47

That Dakota incident was was a very prominent book uh the past couple weeks, or I think it came out last week. Um and yeah, they they did for those static shock fans, we've been seeing static in the Batman Beyond book. There's there's a crossover book between the two of them that takes place in the Batman Beyond timeline. So we haven't seen Static around for a while in the main DCU. The Dakota incident brings him in, but from what I've heard from Comics Are Dope and his interview with all of the creators of the Dakota Incident book, there are no immediate plans to do anything with Static yet. It was kind of let's introduce him back into the universe and hope people want to see more of him. And then if they do, we'll give him a book and and move something forward. A lot of people, I think, thought with this next level announcement and the fact that he was just revealed that like we were gonna get a static shock book coming back or or a black lightning or something combining them all into one book coming back, but we there was no announcement for that yet, unfortunately, which it's kind of a bug.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:53

Yeah, I'm I'm trying to get static back, man. My static is up there, but between him and freaking Miles, those are my two ace boom clues with me. So I need I need more static in my life. So if you guys can support this, support more of milestone stuff, because I I want to I want to see static back in a big way. Right now, the stuff that's going on with him and Batman Beyond, which is also a match made in heaven, if you watch both shows into Batman comics.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:19

I got it right here in my in my comics. Yeah, it was a it was a good issue this week. Um it's been fun. I'm see, I I've been a fan of Static since like I was a kid and the cartoon came out. Um but I'm a rare fan of like Batman Beyond. I really like Terry McGinnis and like the whole Batman Beyond story. So anytime they bring Terry back, I'm usually in on like most stuff that has Batman Beyond. So I was thrilled to see that they were getting this, and then the book seemed to shift more from like a Batman Beyond book, like it started off in the first couple issues, to like really being a static shock book. So if you do want to read static, go pick up this this book. It's on issue number four right now. I don't know if this is an ongoing or if this is a mini. Um, but so far, four issues in, it's been a solid book, and and I've really enjoyed it. And again, I'm I'm a Terry fan, so I'm here for for more stuff that involves him in the Batman Beyond universe. Like I always think that's cool. Um but yeah, the Darth Maul book I don't have in front of me, but I should probably talk about it considering all of the Star Wars stuff. It is the prequel comic that came out that's gonna lead into the Maul show. Um that's that's gonna be coming out in the next couple months. Um, next month, I believe. April is when it starts. So this book is four issues that's gonna lead into the show directly. So you'll be able to read these four issues. It'll take you right to how I guess this show is gonna open up and start. This first issue really focused on this detective. Um, we don't get a lot of information. We just know that they're on this planet, more in the outer rim. So if you know Star Wars, you know that the outer rim is less guarded and less protected. It's more where the pirates and the bounty hunters and all of that stuff go, the low, low lives of the Star Wars universe kind of seedy areas, you know? So this planet that we're introduced to, I'm guessing, is going to be the main focal planet for this mall show. Um you get to meet this this cop, basically, who's on patrol in the planet. And he goes, he's doing up this investigation, and what you're supposed to kind of take away from it is that he's investigating Crimson Dawn, but doesn't know he's invinced investigating Crimson Dawn. He's not aware that he's he knows the crime syndicates are working with one another in some form or fashion, but he doesn't know who's behind it or who's pulling the strings. So I'm guessing we're gonna see this detective on the case of trying to find that out. And and in the process, a couple of his his buddies get killed. One of his buddies is actually an informant working for Crimson Dawn. So you you get to see that. Um, and then Maul finally shows up in the final page. So you're you're now going forward, we'll get to see kind of the Maul perspective of of what's going on. But it it was a good, solid first issue. And Benjamin Percy, one of my favorite writers, I always joke with him on Twitter that he's he's my real life Wolverine. Um he he lives up in the north. It's it's always snowing. He always wears flannels. Um, so I always joke with him that like you're my real life Wolverine, and uh he's a fantastic writer. He does a lot of he's he lately he's been doing a lot of Wolverine. Um he's been doing Punisher, he's been doing a lot of like the the more action-heavy series. He did a whole book with like Wolverine's son and Helverine. So to get him on this mall book was really, really cool to see. Um, and he did a fantastic job. And then I gotta talk about it because what a fucking issue. Batman. Oh my good lord, Joker is back, and I I would be remiss to not fold out this incredible, incredible. So this is a four-panel spread page of Joker in the tank, and like we'll take this panel by panel in the four, um, so you can kind of see it as I open it up here. Sorry. Um, but my god, if you're watching, if you're listening, I'm sorry. Uh I'll try my best to describe it, but I'm showing it on camera now what this four-panel spread is, and it's basically Joker recounting all of his memories. Batman tells him, so so if you haven't been reading the Batman series, Joker is being kept in a facility that's that's working on this revolutionary new treatment. And Joker happens to be one of the test subjects that they're running this treatment on. So Batman thinks the whole thing's a con. He immediately thinks Joker's setting him up when he gets brought here to go talk to him. And they have a conversation and Batman's like, so you're gonna tell me you regret everything you've ever done and you're a changed man, and he's like, No, quite the opposite. He's like, I don't know if this is empathy or not. I've never felt it before, but I remember everything. And then you get this four-page panel spread that opens up, and you get Joker killing Jason, you get Joker shooting Barbara, you get this beautiful imagery of Harley and just all of these events that have happened in Joker with him in the middle with his arm spread out, and if you invert the page, it's Bruce Wayne as his body and the face underneath it, and it's just so well done. Like uh Jimenez did such a fantastic job with this book, and I I had to read it twice. Like, I literally had to go back and read this book again because I was in love with it. Now, did you read this issue yet or no?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:55

No, I haven't read it yet. I've seen the panel.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:58

Okay, so so I'm gonna spoil one thing that's in this issue because I feel like it's a really important topic um that we could talk about. So in this issue, Joker basically reveals to Batman that he knows he's Bruce. I saw people on Twitter and and everywhere, YouTube, everywhere, losing their fucking minds over this, that oh my god, this ruins their dynamic. How does Joker know he's Bruce? So if you go back to the Grant Morrison run, Joker knows he's Bruce in the Grant Morrison run, and he tells him straight up, I've known all along you were Bruce Wayne. I've known since the second time we've ever met that you were Bruce Wayne. But what's the fun in that? There's no fun in mean me outing you as Bruce Wayne. No, the game's between me and you. Bruce Wayne doesn't have anything to do with this game. It's me and the Batman, and that's how Joker views their relationship. So if you're looking at this like, oh him knowing that he's Bruce is a bad thing, no, it's not. It doesn't change anything about their relationship. It's just that Joker doesn't care. It's it's he's that far gone to where like it doesn't matter to him. He just wants Batman because they have this dynamic in this relationship. And you see it in Death of the Family and Scott Snyder's run. He's in the Batcave. Like, that's where he ended up. So it's been there for a long time going back to the Grant Morrison run of Joker knowing that he was Bruce. It's just not something that he's gonna, you know, go out of his way to reveal to people because he doesn't care. So to me, that doesn't seem like an issue. Um I'm just very interested to see what they're gonna do with this. So Joker tells Batman a very interesting thing in this treatment. He said, No, the treatment's actually working. He said, This this doctor is doing phenomenal work, and he's like, I need you to promise me something. And Batman's like, fuck off. Like, you know, I'm not gonna fucking listen to you. Joker says, Under no circumstances, he said, basically, even if she allows it, pointing to the doctor, like, even if I convince her to let me out of here and get me out of this machine, I need you to make sure I never do. And basically, Joker tells him, This machine's actually working. I remember everything I've ever done. And I feel something inside that I've never felt before. That's like, again, he refers it to like, is this empathy? I don't know. I've never felt empathy before for anything or anyone. So it's new to me, it's a new sensation that I'm not aware of. And they basically like set up the fact of Joker warning him that like somebody's trying to kill you, and Batman's like, I I people try to kill me every night. And he's like, No, someone's gonna try to kill you, Bruce. And that's the big reveal. And Bruce just kind of stops in his tracks of like, oh fuck. So, like, I'm so interested. You you guys got me so fucking hooked with this Batman book now that like I can't wait to see what happens. I can't wait to see where we're going with this story and how Joker's gonna play a role in it, how the Dr. Zeller is gonna that they introduced in this series is gonna play a role in things. It's really been phenomenal, and I want to say it's only seven issues in. Yeah, seven issues in. So if you can go back and pick up this Batman book, absolutely phenomenal. Don't confuse it with the Jim Lee Batman Hush. That's technically the end of the run before this, but it's all a clusterfuck because that book still isn't coming out for like two more months before the final. I think we still have two more issues.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:30

You could say you could tell the difference in art by yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:33

Man, you do not give a fuck about what happens with Hush anymore. Like that book has been pushed off so many times now, and then they're doing another book like after that. I was like, you guys can fuck off. I don't care about anything having to do with Hush, anything having to do with the end of that Batman run. This Batman run should have been done last November for this Batman book to start, which didn't happen. So now we're six months later almost before we're gonna get the ending of Hush, which is just a fucking travesty at this point. Like, that was the worst mistake they they could have made doing that. But those are my books for the week. I also picked up um DCKO5. I picked up the Kenny Omega variant for this, which is just fucking sick to me. Um, I'm a big wrestling fan, Kenny Omega, one of the best wrestlers in the world. So seeing him against Dark Side, I showed this to my buddy Alex, and he thought it was the AEW comic that DC's doing currently. And I was like, nah, man, it's the DCKO cover, like King Omega, Kenny Omega versus King Omega Dark Side. So I love this variant. I was able to track it down, and I was so happy to get that. But um, do you have anything that you're watching this week?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:44

Anything we can start on? Um we we I'm uh I'm caught up on Monarch. Um I did not start that yet. So good. Yeah, so far, so good. Two episodes in? Yes, two episodes, new episodes every Friday. Um, and so far, so good. I'm loving the fact that we're getting Kong in it. Uh out of the two, I'm I'm more of a Kong fan than Kong. Me too. Yeah, me too. So being Kong in this and it has been really a treat. And um just just some like character things that I find to be a little bit annoying with certain characters.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:20

That was the first season for me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:23

Other than that, it's it's okay. Some characters are a little too emotional. You'll know exactly who I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:30

I'm sure I'm that's that's how it was in the first season, too. I had issues with the time jumping. I liked the past cast more than I like the present cast, and I kept like, just give me more of the past than like uh Wyatt Russell over Kurt Russell and them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good mix. They still do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:47

Yeah, I start that. But it's great. It's great, it's great so far. Um, and then what else do I have going cooking? Um man, I just wrote a whole bunch of stuff down. What the hell? Um uh this is something it's just in the back of my mind, but I do want to start Night Agent at some point because I've been hearing really good things about it. Um then we also have Paradise. Yeah, Paradise as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:12

I didn't start that one either. I have like I think there's like four episodes for that already to roll into. Like, yeah, I was just kind of waiting for that season to end.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:20

The whole thing to come down, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:22

Um just binge it because I I think I still have to watch the finale from Paradise last season. Like, I didn't finish it. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:30

No, that's what I'm doing right now. I'm off I'm on Paradise One right now.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:33

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:35

I I I caught up late too.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:37

Um Yeah, I it it wasn't one of those shows for me. It was just like, oh, I saw it, but then I saw Cheyenne Woodley's in the second season, and I really like her. I know a lot of people don't, but I I kind of like her as an actress, so I was like, oh, she's in it. Maybe I'll give this second season, you know, uh uh like actually go into it and pay attention more.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:56

Right. And then I'm trying to remember. There's a show on HBO Max, uh with the same actor that plays um the Red Guardian and freaking um Oh, DTF. DTF, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:10

I I watched the first I watched the first episode, and the first episode was absolutely fantastic. Um the second episode I think came out tonight, so I'll have to go and watch that second episode, but it was a really good first episode. I was like, I was like, fuck, I'm in on this show. Like I'm kind of want to see what happens and how this all plays out. But it was it was interesting, like the premise. Him and Jason Batem play friends, and the wife is involved. And basically, Jason Bateman's been having an affair with uh Guardian's wife, and like uh she's played by the chick who played Hawkeye's wife and played Mockingbird in um the Avengers movies. So it it was it's a great cast. Um it it's it the first episode was really, really interesting, and like basically um Guardian's character ends up dead, and so immediately Jason Bateman is like fucking the wife, and he's the first suspect. So it's like that's how they set up like the first episode, and you don't know where it's going from there, but definitely worth watching. It was really good.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:16

Okay, yeah, that's on my list. Um, and then for the most part, I think that's it. Other than that, I'm always catching up on different anime, still trying to catch up on my Juju Kaisen, uh hearing good things about Chainsaw Man that I still have to catch up on. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:33

See, I'm not an anime guy. I did I did almost check out what's it, Bo Boku?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:40

But uh something I know what you're talking about on on that.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:43

Yeah, yeah. I was gonna check that out only because Storm Arena is doing Baki. Baki, right? Baki something? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:53

It's up on the one where they're where they're Street Fighters and Yeah, pretty much they're Street Fighters.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:59

Yeah. I almost started that um simply because Star Marina like has them grouped in with the Street Fighter figures, so they're making figures for that anime brand, like that scale and fit with the Street Fighter figures, and they are like kind of fighters, so I was like, oh, maybe I'll check it out. Like I can I for me, anime anime, I don't like it because I don't like the art style. It's visually just unappealing to me. So when I watch it, I immediately like tune out. Even if I find a book that's like in that style, I I can't read it because it just I automatically like tune out. So like certain anime stuff I can get through, like Street Fighter, though those movies I can watch because it's Street Fighter. Um, but sometimes with some of that stuff, I just I I I lose interest and I lose focus. So maybe I'll give that a shot. I did see like they put up a new version of that on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:53

Um I just finished in in English instead of in Japanese dubbed.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:58

Well, no, I usually do. I usually will like watch the English dub of shit. It's it's not the translation stuff that bothers me because like I have my subtitles on all the time anyway, so it doesn't matter to me. Um, but yeah, it's it's not the it's not the the language barrier, it's just the animation. Like whenever I see something in that animation style, whether it's Dragon Ball Z or any of that type of stuff, I just immediately I'm like, oh, I don't like this. Like, I just it's visually unappealing to me for whatever reason. I can't explain it. It's just even Star Wars Visions. I can't watch Star Wars Visions because I I I'm like this is just anime and I don't want to see this shit. Like it's and it's nothing against the genre. Like, I love Japanese culture, I love all of the things about Japan. Um I've studied about Japan mult, you know, uh vigorously. It's just that animation style for me. Like they did a G.I. Joe movie in that animation style. Um, some of the DC movies are in that animation style, and I can't watch them. I'm just like, nope, I'll pass on that one. Yeah, yeah. So uh the thing I was watching this week was the beauty, the the finale of the beauty year. I that was saying, oh my god. It's a Ryan Murphy show, so it's American Horror Story Creator, same guy who does like the um the different icon series or whatever they're called that focus on like uh Versace and like uh now there's a one about the Kennedys that's up and something else. You know, he he does all of that type of stuff in all of the American horror stories. Um the beauty for me, at first I was confused because I wasn't I just saw the substance not too long ago with Demi Moore, which is essentially the same plot and same premise of everything. So I wasn't sure if like this show was just a spin-off of like the substance universe or it was kind of just a reinterpreted idea. What it ends up being, it's the same exact plot from the substance, except they tweaked it and made it more of like a pharmaceutical drug that you know is mass marketed to people. And basically what happens is you take this drug, you take this injection, and basically within 10 hours, you'd be a totally different person. So you'd go through a transformation at your house, you'd get encased in like a like a sack almost, like a like a butterfly, and you'd open your cocoon and be a totally different person, but you'd be in peak physical form, like there wouldn't be a flaw to you, you'd have abs, you'd have you know muscles, you'd be any kind of disease you ever had would be eliminated. All of that stuff would be fixed, and you'd be this totally new person. That's basically the premise of this show. Um, and you know, if you're old and you take the shot, you get DH'd back to your prime, but you you essentially become a whole new you. It's it's it's not even like a younger version of yourself, it's a totally new body that you're you end up in, you know, when it's all said and done. So the premise of the show is pretty cool. Um, I wasn't crazy about the way the finale ended because they did kind of really leave it for uh another season, but overall it was a fun watch. Um Ashton Kutcher's in it, and Vincent D'Anafrio is in it, and they play the same character. Like Vincent D'Anafrio plays the older version of Ashton Kutcher before he takes the drug. So it was really cool to see Ashton Kutcher. Vincent D'Anafrio has a very specific way of speaking, especially like when he plays Kingpin and certain characters. He's got a very like the way he pronounces certain words and the way he puts punctuation on things that like normal people probably wouldn't put punctuations on. It was cool to see Ash it was cool to see Ashton Kutcher mimic that. And I I picked up on that early in the show because you don't you don't see the older version of Ashton Kutcher until like later on in the show. Like maybe I think it's like episode three or four, is when you see like him actually take the drug and how that all transpires. So I was picking up on it early when you first meet Ashton Kutcher. I'm like, huh, he's doing The same fluctuations to his voice that Vincent D'Anafrio usually does. And then it turned out like, oh, well, that's why he's doing it because Vincent D'Anno, he's playing the new Vincent D'Anafrio. Yeah, which was which is a cool little twist. Um, you know who was really good in that? What was the guy that played the hood in Iron uh Iron? Yo, Anthony Ramos puts on a hell of a fucking performance in this show. Like he plays an assassin for Ashton Kutcher, and like the way that all takes place, um, he's awesome in this. Evan Peters, again, with another like fantastic performance in a Ryan Murphy thing. Um, he's like a an FBI agent in this whole entire thing. So like he's another main role. It was good. I I liked it a lot. I'm just I was more concerned when like they ended it on a cliffhanger. And like, I are you are you banking on season two, or do you know you have season two already coming? Because if not, you didn't resolve your show yet. So I hope they, you know, it was already greenlit for season two, hopefully, going in. But yeah, that's okay. That's all I was really watching this week. I I went back and like watched a couple old things, but nothing, nothing really new outside of of that. But I I will check out the season the second episode of that DTF show, because that was actually pretty good, the first the first one.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:23

Yeah, I want to start it. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:41

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SPEAKER_00 2:14:22

I hope you guys enjoy this episode. We'll see you guys in the next one. Peace. Uh signing out on day and head.