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In this episode we discuss the latest developments in the Paramount's ongoing deal, new Lord of the Rings projects, and updates on the X-Men comics as a whole. also cover upcoming movies, and industry rumors.
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Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Talkin' Soups. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith, and with me is my co-host. Andy. What's going on? We got it right this time. First and foremost, I just wanted to apologize to anybody who was watching on YouTube. We had an issue at Riverside where the audio and the video did not sync up correctly. Hopefully we don't have that issue again. But it did create some problems on playback. I even had a tough time watching it myself. So if you are a YouTube subscriber, I'm sorry about that. We did end up starting a separate YouTube channel for Talking Soup. So if you just go to YouTube and you search Talking Soups, the YouTube page should come right up. We are going to be posting the episodes there from now on, as well as some of the clips. And we'll still be sharing them between our both channels. So you'll get to see it as many ways as possible, hopefully, to expand the audience and have everything in a centralized location. We also started an Instagram page, so you can follow us at Talk and Soups on Instagram as well. Again, just to kind of streamline things and make things a little bit easier for people to find stuff and tune in. But this week we got a lot to talk about. First and foremost, we're gonna be talking about this Paramount deal, I think, until it goes through. I feel like we're we're constantly gonna be having some things that that occur as this process you know goes on for close to maybe 14 months. But David Ellison held a meeting at HBO and Warner Brothers with about 150 executives. And supposedly from the reports, it it didn't sound like it went well. Are you surprised about that at all, though?
SPEAKER_00No, because we already spoke about how this is gonna be a good deal for them. And I mean, just looking at the the way how other things that are going on with it, especially with like the stuff that's happening with UFC and all that stuff, it's just paramount. Is just is there they're going a whole other direction that I just doesn't feel like it's gonna be right for where majority of these studios want to go. So, I mean, we expected this to happen. So here you go, let the the games roll.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we definitely saw that that stuff come out with uh John Jones and the UFC talking about the White House fight, and then Rhonda Rousey even throwing shots at Paramount and and UFC during her press conference for the fight. But um, from what the report said is that many execs left the meeting disheartened. They seemed that there wasn't actually a plan in place from David Ellison, and many felt like the meeting with Netflix went way better than Ted Serandos when he came and visited. That he came in, he had a plan, he had a way of like how he envisioned the studio going, and it seemed that many sources do not trust David Ellison and like basically came in with no plan, no no anything. So you really don't say I I find that I find that alarming, obviously. Um but obviously when you look in in the contrast of Netflix coming in, Netflix came in, they met with the top execs right away. They sat down and had a full layout of hey, this is what we want to do, this is how we plan on approaching things and attacking things, and Ellison didn't have anything to say. Um that's it it just it goes back to what we were saying a couple weeks ago when we were talking about all this, that um there's gonna be a lot of layoffs that are gonna happen in this merger. There's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna end up losing their jobs, and I think that's kind of why this was only held to 150 people, because and there was no like plan put out because I have a feeling some of these 150 people are probably gonna not be there when this deal is all through.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah. I don't I I I just feel like yeah, this is this is the not not the best thing that could have could have happened for uh Netflix, and it's unfortunate. Um, but like I also don't understand how Ellison goes into this without know like anything to say. It's it's kind of it's kind of insane to be honest. But we we knew this was gonna happen, and this this this is just a domino effect of everything that we we we said was gonna happen. So I I really I'm lost for words, honestly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I um I'm still skeptical that this deal might actually go through by the time this this is all said and done. I um I'm hoping that it doesn't. Obviously, I'm hoping Warner Brothers and HBO make out with seven billion dollars and can just walk away from this altogether. That would be really ideal. But I I don't know. It just it just seems like it's it's already doomed like from the start, and that just kind of is is very troublesome going in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like for nobody to even trust him in going forth with this, it's just like it's uh it's without being like well, it's hard to not be political about the situation, but it's like it's so it's so messed up on how you how how everybody how this deal is going because it's just it's just not fair, and like nobody has any say in what can happen and whatnot.
SPEAKER_02So it's well there's there there are senators from California that are already actively fighting this merger and already putting plans in place to to basically you know bring this in front of Congress and and so I guess we'll see what happens when it's all said and done. Um, like I said, there's a lot of things that can happen in 14 months. This money is leveraged from overseas and and other parties, so there's always a possibility that something could fall through. There's a war that's about to start and going on currently, so you never know what could happen and and if that money ends up falling through.
SPEAKER_00Right. We'll see, we'll see what happens with it, but who else?
SPEAKER_02But we'll have some more stuff from Paramount later on. So we have some more news about this new Lord of the Rings movie that is coming. Um still undecided if it's gonna be a trilogy of movies or if it's just gonna be one single movie, but um they did cast Kate Winslett and Anna Taylor Joy to sign on to this. Um I'm still really unsure as to like how they're gonna do this. So if you're not familiar, the movie's supposed to take place during um like before Frodo actually gets the ring. So it's gonna be like a small pocket of time, but they're gonna try to fit possibly three movies into this like small window. I guess it's in the books, it's literally just a couple lines that are talked about, like this this hunt for Gollum that they went on previously looking for the ring. But I'm guessing they're gonna try to flush this out and make this a whole movie because the IP's there and Amazon's IP of it has been kind of middle of the road, I guess we could say. You know what I mean? With Rings of Power. So it seems Peter Jackson and the Estate and Um Andy Circus, who played Gollum, is gonna be actually directing this. So and this is this is gonna be live action, right?
SPEAKER_00It's not like the animated version.
SPEAKER_02No, live action. Uh the last one they did was animated that was on HBO or whatever it was. Um but this one is gonna be live action. Pretty much everyone from the original cast is coming back. So Ian McClellan's coming back, Orlando Bloom. Um, the only one I did hear that is not coming back is the actor who played uh uh Aragon. So they are apparently gonna recast him. Vigo Mortensen isn't coming back, so I guess they're gonna recast him with a younger actor because I guess it's supposed to be, you know, before the original like Lord of the Rings saga. So that's what I've heard is that they've they're apparently gonna recast him, and then Kate Winslit and Anna Taylor Joy signed on. And I I'm a big fan of Kate Winslett. I'll watch her in anything. Um ever since I was a kid going back to Titanic, like I've been in love with Kate Winslit, so I will watch her in anything. Uh Mayor of East Town is like a fantastic show. If you haven't seen it, go and watch it. Yes. Um and then Anya Taylor Joy, she was in I still want to see her come back and play Magic. Like I I thought she was good in the new mutants movie is Magic, and I would be fine with seeing her come back. So I'm all for having them both involved in Lord of the Rings. Um, especially if they're gonna be elves or you know, part bigger parts of the story. I'm I'm I'm cool with it.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, same. I'm I'm down for this too. I'm always good for some more Lord of the Rings. Um yeah, my my Lord of the Rings history uh or lore, I should say, is as as far as as it goes with just the mainstream stuff. Uh other than that, I'm out, I'm not, I'm not even not even up to, if I'm not gonna lie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I um so I I've read the books, I have all the books, I have the Semarellian. Um I've watched Rings of Power, and I'm starting to get into Rings of Power as it's gone on. The the first season was tough to watch and tough to get through, but the second season was a lot better. Um I'm hoping when they come back with the new season that that's gonna actually be really good because now they're gonna really get into the the Saruman stuff and and all all of the the dark stuff. So that should be cool. Um, I'm here for this. I I like Andy Circus. Um he directed a great episode of Andor when he directed, so I'm I'm here for this. He's very creative in all the roles that he does. Uh and getting to see Gollum again.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, he's very creative, and he's also like, you know, if he he's the guy you don't think is doing that, and then you find out he's like, oh shit, that's Andy Circus. And then him, and then having the ability to act as just as well is is good is amazing. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. When he was in when he was in Andor, he played, you know, a fantastic role with Kino Loy. I I still would like to see what happens to his character in that. There was talks that he was gonna come back and direct episodes for season two, but then didn't. So I'm not sure if maybe this Lord of the Rings project took, you know, took him away from that or what. But it seems like they've been plotting and planning this for the past couple years and now are finally gonna get the ball rolling. Again, I don't know if this leads to like a whole new trilogy, but obviously they're trying to cash in on Lord of the Rings. They have that IP just sitting there and eventually, I guess, you know, that would be the smart thing to do is just kind of start creating original stories within the Lord of the Rings universe if if you have the opportunity and you have the IP.
SPEAKER_00Especially with what's going on right now with Game of Thrones and the hype off of Duncan Egg, it's like they they gotta apparent Prime is probably looking at HBO, like, damn, we we have something that can compete with that. So we we gotta throw some some money into this and see where we can get the ball rolling on.
SPEAKER_02The difference is uh Prime only has the rights for the Summerellian, and that's what that's what Rings of Power is. Uh Warner Brothers is the one who has the deal with Peter Jackson and the Tolkien Estate. So they're the ones that are gonna be doing this movie. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's this. And and again, with the merger and stuff like that, these plans could change. This could end up, you know, only being one and done. This could end up being, you know, a whole new thing where they come back and just keep trying to make Lord of the Rings movies. Um, I I'm interested to see how it all turns out. You know that the the composition for these movies are gonna be fantastic. Where the the cinematography for these movies are always fantastic because they're shot on location in New Zealand. So it's gonna be a beautiful movie. I just hope it's better than the Hobbit movies. Um the Hobbit movies were another thing that they kind of took a small story and dragged it out into three movies. So I'm really interested to see what they do with this, especially because like the whole thing's called Hunt for Gollum. We know they don't find Gollum. So like how do you make this movie interesting enough to where like you know, spoiler alert, guys, like they never find them. They look, they never found them. Um so where does this movie like go? How do you keep people interested in this movie knowing that like hey, they they never find them? So you know what I mean? To me, that's one thing that that I just I I'm interested to see, but I'm here for the casting news. Uh like I said, I love Kate Winslett and your tellerjoy. Um, yeah, I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_00So it's got they're probably gonna add some uh some like thrilling aspect to it that we probably didn't know about characters being connected or or or hitting a little Easter egg or something like that to make it more interesting or something like that. But because it's the only thing you like like entertaining wise, I think you could do with something like this.
SPEAKER_02Even could include like the Witch King and Mordor and and stuff like that, you know, like they're hunting, you know, column two. Like you could make it compelling. I just I don't know what they're gonna do. Like I said, there there's not much in the actual books and like a leeway for for like a blueprint. So it's gonna be interesting to see how they like totally craft this original story, essentially. But I'm glad everyone's coming back. Like, of course, that's the great part of Lord of the Rings that you can get everybody back, and and I did hear um Elijah Wood is gonna be like in the movie, even though he's not gonna be like part of the whole movie. Like he he is, I guess, maybe gonna be in the intro like he was in The Hobbit or whatever the case may be. But but they they all are coming back, so that that should be cool. Um last week we got into like a comic event. We we talked about DCKO in full, and and this week I wanted to discuss something with you in in the state of comics, uh, and the state of the X-Men. Um so Dun dun, you should put a law and order sound thing like that. So so for those that don't know, um, for the past couple years, uh Jonathan Hickman took the X-Men into all new ground and started Krakoa and and basically took the whole line into a whole new bold direction where all of the mutants around the entire Marvel universe and space were all united under one banner. You had a bunch of multiple titles that were going on at the same time, but for the most part, you had a whole cohesive line with the X-Men titles where it didn't matter what book you read, you were getting bits and pieces that were all happening concurrently, and it felt like you were reading like one full complete story, which was fantastic. Um, Jonathan Hickman left early because Marvel wanted to continue doing this era, and in the process, he never really got to finish his plan for what he had mapped out for how he wanted to end Kirkoa, how he wanted to take the X-Men in this bold new direction. Um, so they ended it short, new creators came on and eventually finished out the story. Uh Kirkoa ended a couple years ago now, I want to say about two or three years ago at this point, and we got the From the Ashes era that started. Tom Brevort is now the editor-in-chief for the X-Men. Um he's been an editor for Marvel for a very long time and has a very history career in comics. Um I just want to make it clear that anything we say is not disparaging him in any way. It's not disparaging any of the creators in in any way, but for me, this line feels very disjointed. I I know I've tried to get you to read some of the titles that are coming out, especially when like Age of Revelation hit and stuff like that. And um, I know you had some critiques and and your feelings on on how some of those books were. Right.
SPEAKER_00And I just went through my my I was just organizing my box today, and I I passed by those today, and I was like, I don't even know why I have some of these in here.
SPEAKER_02So so for me, out of this line, the the two staple points are X-Men um and Uncanny X-Men, written by Gail Simone, and Jed McKay is writing the main X-Men title. Both lineups of the teams are characters that I absolutely love and adore. And if I had to pick like the flagship book out of the two, I would probably say it's Uncanny X-Men because what Gail is doing has been really fantastic. I I love the new character she's introduced, the new kids that she's introduced, um, and kind of the family element that that her book has had, uh, found family, essentially, which is pretty much the the gist of X-Men as a whole. Um in the other X-Men title, you've kind of had Scott leading his team of A-list characters. You got Magic, you got Sylock, you got Chuggernaut, you got Quentin Choir. It's a really great cast of characters, but it doesn't seem as a whole that any of these books are moving anywhere. Like it almost seems like X-Men has somebody like pressing the pause button on the the brand as a whole until maybe something's done with the MCU. Like, I could totally see a scenario where Marvel is like, hey, we don't want to do the Krakoa thing, but we kind of don't know what we want to do the X-Men because we want to have it jail with the movies when we get there, so maybe just kind of put them on the back burner. And I feel that's a really disheartening thing as an X-Men fan, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Like, yeah, yeah, it is. Um, I just also yeah, I I feel you on the on the on that tip 100%. And I also just feel like what the comics nowadays you notice that a lot of the characters who are good doing big things comic-wise, usually in the MCU are getting their their their spotlight at the same time. So yeah, I I do agree that they maybe are waiting until we finally get like the real a real first on-screen moment with them in the MCU, but it but it's also just like as a as a reader, it feels like a waste of time as you keep buying these books expecting to get a hit, and then there's no and it's just like goes nowhere. So it's almost just like one, you're wasting my money, and I really don't like that. And two, it's just the time. So yeah, and then there's so much more that we gotta share with that, but and part of it too is they've they've launched a bunch of titles that have gone with these books.
SPEAKER_02We've had exceptional X-Men, which I personally feel is dedicated to one subjective cast that's X-Men fans. Um that seems to be the book for for that group of X-Men fans. And then you have the main X-Men titles. They've they've done all these other titles that seem to be like more in the past, like so in Kirkoa they they split Silock. Those of you guys that don't know, like Betsy that was Scylock is no longer Sylock, Betsy's Captain Britain, and Quanin is Scyloc, the original Sylock, uh Revanch. And so they've had a bit of a branding issue with that, where like Sylock is part of the main X-Men book, but then they keep doing side quests of like, oh, here's Betsy a Scyloc from years ago. And like that kind of seems to be the theme of like all of these other titles that they keep launching. They're not like titles that go in with the books that are going on currently, they're they're titles that take place years ago or in the past, or here's something that happened from this era that we didn't get to expand upon. And that kind of seems to be like the direction they're going rather than hey, let's tell a bold news story, let's have something interesting take place, really essentially.
SPEAKER_00Right. And like this is one of the things why I appreciate the Chip Zadarsky run with Captain America and all he's doing with going into this new Armageddon run stuff, is that like even if you haven't been keeping up with these characters, you walk you walking into these comics for the first time and you can understand exactly everything that's going on. So, like when we they came out with that rogue and storm uh thing with the resurrection uh series we were talking about. I I was so confused on there being two different rogues, and I had no idea. And I'm thinking because this is a new line, like okay, if I'm just a new reader coming into this, I'll be able to know go off of me just knowing what rogue stuff is about. But then you read it and you're just like, Oh, there's two different people, but then they did a good okay job of letting you know like what's what that other rogue is doing and stuff like that and where they come from, but you you gotta give the other books.
SPEAKER_02They did end up flushing that out by the time, and and so far that's really been the only crossover that they've done in the line since the line is rebranded. And yeah, unfortunately, I kind of felt like that whole storyline fell flat, and we still don't have a resolution of that. They just kind of left it of like Doug and Bay, and all of them are out there, and now Scott's looking for them, but now Scott's flabbergasted by all of this other stuff that he's dealing with. And and speaking of Scott, so this week um the book X-Men United number one dropped. Um, and this was supposed to be kind of the book for Krokoa fans for people like me that that wanted more cohesiveness at the line, wanted to see more of the characters together rather than separate, because that's kind of what we were used to with Krakoa. Everybody was together, so everybody interacted with everybody, and you you had this ruling council, and you you constantly got to see the characters that you enjoyed seeing. In this new line, you have one team in Louisiana, one team in Alaska, Storm is off being a god and being an Avenger, and so like everybody split up across the globe. Everybody's doing something different, and this was supposed to be the book. That brought everybody back and and really, you know, made you feel like the title, X-Men United. And boy. Um, so we're gonna talk spoilers about this book. Did you read this or no? Did you just kind of uh glance at the end?
SPEAKER_00I didn't read it. I didn't I didn't read it, but I've heard many people speaking their piece on it and and all that. And your your post as well.
SPEAKER_02So so the premise of this book uh stems from the X-Men hunt event that took place in the From the Ashes event, where Charles Xavier went off to the Shiar space with Lalandra, and he basically told the students that to build a new school. Number one, the the X-Men shouldn't be listening to Charles Xavier for anything, especially after the end of Kirkhoa. So so there's your first like big storyline inconsistency that kind of took place. But in this, Emma and Kitty and the exceptional cast essentially are the headmasters and the students that are running this whole entire school, and the school doesn't actually exist in the physical realm. So it's all a telepathic school, basically. So in the real world, you have the X-Men basically just like conked out someplace, and they're in the school, so red flag there of like immediately somebody could just walk up and kill any of these mutants that are just like in you know, zoned out. So like but Emma Emma apparently put in all these defenses and put in like stuff, but they're using Sinister Tech to do this. So again, we're going right back to Sinister. Sinister was the end of the entire Kirkoa arc. We don't like leave him alone for quite a while. We don't need to go back to that again. But they they found a way to make Scott the bad guy in all of this, and kind of Scott's the only one who's like using logic here and saying, wait, so the school's not physical, everybody is is in danger when they come into the school here because their bodies in the physical realm or are just left alone. Um, we're using Sinister Tech, and why are we following Char what Charles wanted us to do? So all valid points, but they somehow turn the whole entire staff and everybody of this book to make Scott like the bad guy. And after what happened with Krikoa, after what happened in this whole last era, Scott's the only X-Men character that feels like he's still on course when all of these other characters feel like they've been regressed and like taken back to the basics of the character rather than like they went through these big arcs in Krakoa, and a lot of these characters the arc kind of doesn't matter. It's just like all that's negated and they're knocked back down. Even Magneto has been like sidelined this entire run. Magneto had one of the best runs in Krikoa, was a main character in X-Men Red, and the resurrection of Magneto, like went through this whole beautiful story arc, and they've regulated Magneto to being just like Charles sitting in a chair someplace, and like he hasn't done anything in any of these Xbooks since. So I I just I don't know this book is not it. Like this this issue was was legit one of the worst X-Men books I've ever read. And and I've been reading X-Men for over 20 years. So like when I I've been through the Inhuman and X-Men era. I know we've had some lows, guys. I've been through the 90s, I saw all that. Like, but this reminds me of the inhuman X-Men era of like, oh, we don't know what to do with the X-Men. We don't want to move them forward, and we don't want to like propel them. So they're we're they're kind of just in a holding pattern. Let's just kind of run back some old storylines that we did and just kind of put it all on Scott now since we don't have Charles around.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then on top of that, just keep releasing new things with them that with stories that are like are still like kind of like not all hashed out and stuff like that because they really don't know what they're doing with him.
SPEAKER_02Well, and then they they also have two other like they have a separate Cyclops book going on that we talked about a couple weeks ago, and then they have another X-Men book that Cyclops is the main focal point of. So it's like you have three different versions of Cyclops going on concurrently in your line rather than like all of those books painting one similar version, each one kind of paints a different version of the character, and like it I guess it's up to you to decide which version of the character you like and which version of the character you want to read. But it to me that that doesn't scream like go pick up an X-Men book, go read an X-Men book. Like I feel like this is the time where a lot of people are just like jumping out of the line.
SPEAKER_00That's exactly how I feel with Wolverine too, because I I went to the when I went to the comic store the other day, you know, I saw the Armageddon stuff, which I'm really liking, but then I also see there's a Wolverine there too. But it's it's like it's there's there there's that Wolverine, and we talked about the other Wolverine that I don't really like, but I'm just like I'm gonna just stick to this guy because uh because of this stuff that I've gone through with the X-Men stuff, then I'm like, I'm just gonna stick to one thing because I'm not trying to get confused again.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I I haven't I I'm never a solo Wolverine book reader. Like I I'll never I'm it's just not my thing. Like, I if I want to read Wolverine, I can pick up um a hundred other books and read a Wolverine. And and Gail's doing a fantastic job writing Wolverine in her book. Um I really love Death Dream. Ransom has been such a cool character that they brought on, which is a South American character, like who's related to uh Roberto. So like it's just cool to see like how some of these creators are taking what they're given and like expanding upon the lore and building out some stuff. Jed McKay's even doing some cool stuff with like Cassandra Nova and 3K and introducing a couple new mutants, but like for this book to be like the the quote unquote flagship book now, and your team is the exceptional X-Men team out of the the book that wasn't selling and that you had to rebrand into this, that that's kind of how I felt. Like this was just a bait and switch of exceptional X-Men again. It's it's exceptional X-Men with a new name on it, and it and now you get to see some other characters included.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I also seen like some people talking about um, so I guess the way how this book goes, there's different classes and the and there's like a ranking system of like bronze and silver and all this stuff with with the with the with the school. But I also but the main thing I've seen is that they have like some low-rank characters on top of some other characters that's been in the series for some time now and stuff like that. And I guess that was like some people was a little bit upset about that.
SPEAKER_02It's the way like the classes are scheduled and like they're broken up, so that they have it's based off kind of more your experience, but yeah, the the exceptional kids who are essentially brand new kids, like they haven't done anything in X-Men lore so far to to I get guess get promoted to being like student faculty of this new school, and like the one guy Axo's in charge and bronze is like teaching kids how to fight. And I'm like, you guys haven't done anything. Your book literally like exceptional X-Men, nothing happened in that book. All that they did was they had one interaction with Sinister, and the book ended in 10 issues or whatever it was, whatever it got cancelled at. So, like those characters are still brand new characters that should be low-level characters, just like anybody else that's that's new in this era, and like they take Scott's kind of new characters to his new new new cast, and like they they make them like the low people on the totem pole. Meanwhile, you got you got Emma and just because they're with Emma and Kitty and like helped facilitate the creation of this fucking school. It's like it's such an asinine idea. Like, I really couldn't get past that. Like, I was like, really, this was your genius idea. A school that's telepathic that doesn't actually exist. And this is what we're gonna sell the X-Men line on. And Scott's the bad guy of the book. Like, what what the fuck are we doing here?
SPEAKER_00But like But it's all but it's all based, he's only the bad guy based off of what his idology is. Like, he's not literally doing anything bad, right?
SPEAKER_02But see, and I feel like that's what they're doing. So, like, the X-Men have always been the the fight back, the take a stand. We're the oppressed, we're gonna fight back against the oppressors.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02This book has been curbed so much to where it feels like the the X-Men are now the group that says, just just bide your time, guys, everything will be okay. Like, and and that's not what this book is. That's not the message of of like what the X-Men are. That's not what they embody. And like, even in unfortunately, as much as I love Gail's book, even even in Uncanny, like their friends are locked up in a school that is the Xavier Institute. Their friends have been locked up there now the whole entire run of this book. Meanwhile, Rogue like is on the phone having a phone conversation with the warden of the prison. Why aren't you guys going and breaking your friends out and getting, you know, like what are we doing?
SPEAKER_00I also heard that was another thing I heard about this this this United run. Was like, I guess she's arguing with Scott about villains and like contradicting herself because she was a villain at one point, too.
SPEAKER_02But see, like the villain thing doesn't even matter because in Krakoa, all the villains were part of Krakoa. Um, even Apocalypse, even you know, all the villains had a part on Krakoa. So, like, I don't even look at that. Emma's been an X-Men character now for since the Grant Morrison run. So we're talking over 20-something years of Emma being an X-Men character now. So I'm not even concerned about that. It's just more so the the direction of like I I feel like they're just in this holding pattern, and it's just kind of, hey guys, just kind of muddy around in the sandbox, but we don't want you to build a sand castle. We just kind of want you to to build these little towers and just knock them over once you once they get a little too tall. You know what I mean? Like, and that's that's kind of what they're doing. And and uh it's unfortunate because I I love like I said, I love Gail's uncanny X-Men book. I love the cast, I love the way she's been writing it. I just kind of want to see the book evolve and and be something more and and do something more groundbreaking and and kind of get there. Um X-Men, same thing. We're we've been dealing with 3K now for 20-something issues, and it's just like we still have no resolution on it. We still have not moved past anything in that regard. It's just kind of stayed stagnant there. And and for me, I think that's been like the most unfortunate part because I I'm reading them, I'm buying them, and I want them to go somewhere. And I'm loving the cast and like the the group, the teams, but I need some sort of evolution, and and unfortunately, this book was not it.
SPEAKER_00The real meat, meat and potatoes out of the story.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like I I I need them to bring back Krakoa essentially because this is this is not it. Like this is not it. I I I want to see I want to see the X-Men be like the top-tier characters again, like I know they can be. And so for me.
SPEAKER_00With that though, with that though, do you what what of that of the run was left last last time that you was really enjoying X-Men that you feel was you know most like anticipated and was the good it was was one of the better runs, um, besides the uncanny stuff. So but maybe that might be something that they can use as like uh ammo to like move forward with and do something like that.
SPEAKER_02Well, the good thing is we have X-Men 97 season two coming. Um that's true. There is a prequel for that too, comic-wise. That's what I was just about to say. They the the good, the the good that we can look to is that we're getting an X-Men 97 season two prelude comic that they announced. Um they showed off the first cover for the first issue and the variant cover, both of them look fantastic. Um so yeah, we're we're ramping up for X-Men season two. That is gonna be the the bright, I guess, shining thing of the X-Men, because we're gonna get to we season one was fantastic. We get to see season two now, and if they can continue to keep that same magic, and I'm glad we're getting a comic book that ties into it. I have the the last run that they did for the last, you know, leading into season one, which was great. So I'm I'm hoping we get a lot from season two. Yeah, I did see the people for the second one, but I thought Yeah, there's um there's actually an omnibus for um the original animated comic, like from the 90s, and then there's uh um a collection from the the the one they did previously. They also did their own version of Kirkoa in the animated '97 universe, which is pretty cool. Um, and those are just like collected in trades, so you can pick them up like fairly cheap.
SPEAKER_00Nice. Um yeah, uh, so yeah, just going forward, I would like to see yeah, some just more meat and potatoes with the characters. Like we said, the characters are great, it's just the stories aren't just as compelling as they should be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, and that's the unfortunate part, is because when you have that that top IP and and to not see it be successful, it's it's it's kind of a bit disheartening. Um moving on, we we got some quick hits, some some stuff that just kind of popped up, little things that we're just gonna hit on. Um, so for Star Wars news for this week, there's a rumor going around that the Dawn of the Jedi movie is is not gonna happen. That was the Nick Mangold movie that was supposed to be take place at the beginning and show you like the start of the Jedi Order and the start, I guess, of the Sith Order. There's talks that now we might not get that, and that was one of the movies that were announced by Kathleen Kennedy at Star Wars Celebration. Uh so what do you think? Was that something that you were interested in seeing like originally or or no?
SPEAKER_00So this is the stuff that was supposed to be with like the the the like with Ray and stuff like that, right?
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. This this was Dawn of the Jedi, so this was supposed to be the start of the Jedi Order and the start of the Sith. Oh the beginning, there, the very beginning of of them.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's a shame because that would have been a really good story, and I think that's what most fans have been wanting more Star Wars, I mean more lifesavers than than anything. So that that would have been nice to see that. But um uh yeah, I think they're in general gonna be changing a lot of what from what Kennedy said back in Star Wars celebration. Um, because you know the next celebration isn't until I think like next year, right? So uh they there I think a lot is gonna be changing, and the the the goalpost has definitely moved around some some. So um unfortunate, but uh I'm still like I still have high hopes to see what what what what's gonna come out of it next because Felone, I I I know he knows his stuff really good with the Star Wars stuff, and I trust his vision. I've loved everything he's done so far, so it's it's gotta be for a good reason.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh I I would be uh my guess is more so because Mangold is probably wrapped up. Um he was apparently tapped for a couple other things originally. I know he was involved talking about Swamp Thing with James Gunn. So uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know if maybe the schedule came into play or who knows. Um I would have been here for it, especially because David Tennant Huyang character from Ahsoka was supposed to be in involved in this movie because he was created as as at the start of the Jedi Order. So that would have been cool to kind of get that connectivity and get to see more of the history and kind of Asha and Bogan, which are is the two moons and that that end up becoming the the Jedi and the Sith. So it would have been cool to to get to see that. Um also with Star Wars, there Tim Morrison uh has done himself no favor speaking out about Boba Fett and how he is his character has been shelved. At a recent Comic-Con, he was asked, and he was basically asking the fans to petition for Boba Fett to be taken out of the sandbox and and to be put back put back in the Star Wars universe. Um he says that the character has been shelved totally, so I wouldn't expect to see him in Mandalorian and Grogu. I wouldn't expect to see him maybe in the Faloney movie. I because I still don't know if this Falone thing is gonna happen. This big culmination with Ron. Like we we've talked about it multiple times on here. There's always a possibility that like it could happen, but it's more unlikely, it seems, that it's it's gonna happen. It kind of seems like Ahsoka season two is gonna be the wrap-up of that. So yeah, it's unit's unfortunate though that if they're not gonna carry, like, especially we we talked about a couple weeks ago talking about the Mandalorian movie with Rod of the Hutt being involved and the Tatooine throne, and like Boba and Fennec are there. So now we're not even gonna follow up on that. We're basically just gonna say, ah, sorry, Boba, Fennec, Chrysantin, Cobbanth, all those characters. And Timothy Oliphant was on the record too, saying that like he keeps texting Favreau and Falone saying, like, hey, I'm still alive, like so I I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I don't know. This Mandalorian movie and this like the way how they're going with this stuff is very like it's a little nerve-wracking to me because I I just don't I just don't understand the lack of promotion and stuff like that. And then when we hear things about other Mandalorians like Barbara Fett and stuff like that, it's just like why what what what's going on over there on Lucasfilms and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_02It's I don't know if it has to do with the poor reception to the the show and like what happened with that, but I I wouldn't take that necessarily out on Tam. That was the writing and and the story you guys put together and put on screen. Like you're talking about Book of Boba Fett, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, true. Like now you're gonna use Mandalorian to like follow those plot points. You're bringing the twins back, you're bringing Rada, you know, the hutt involved. So it'll it's almost like you're you are acting like Book of Boba Fett never happened, or that it did happen in like, all right, we're gonna just gonna cast aside all those other characters and we're just gonna have Din are the Mandalorian you guys do like, like kind of resolve all of those issues in in his movie. That that's kind of what they did.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's just it's just it's unfortunate because I would like to see more of Boba, um, especially when he was introduced in in Mandalorian. You you you had him back as being the badass, and then they they took him left real quick and made him comical and and kind of had him talk a little too much for for my taste. He should have been more of a uh a less is more character.
SPEAKER_00The only thing I loved out of Book of Boba Fett is honestly explaining the origins of how he came out of the the worm. I after that I really like kind of lost interest in the show to be honest.
SPEAKER_02That essentially was the Pat Noswald uh monologue from uh community, I think it was. Uh he basically gives that monologue like word for word of Boba Fe, you know, the sand on Tatooine and your hand emerges out of the sarlac pit. And that's exactly what they did. They did it like shot for shot. It's funny. If you if you search it on YouTube, you can find some people who have paired up the Pat Noswald story like with the opening scene of Boba, and it's literally shot for shot. It's it's so funny. Um that that's what they ended up doing. Uh I know you're a big anime guy, Avatar The Last Aaron Bender. Um, the sequel. So they they did announce that they were gonna be doing a sequel animation to the original cartoon. So it was gonna it was gonna follow the characters being older. It was supposed to be released uh as a movie in March, and apparently the director came out and says that Paramount shelved the movie, uh they they pushed it back, and they're moving it from theatrical to to being uh strictly streaming. So apparently it's gonna drop on Paramount Plus now instead of rather being like a theatrical release. Uh were you hyped for this? Was this something like that was on your radar?
SPEAKER_00I've been waiting for this sequel for more than just when it was just announced. This this rumor has been around for years already. And the fact that you know, now that we finally have a date, I mean, at this point, I just want I just need to know what's going on with Aang right now. Um, I'm glad they released um some like images of what the characters look like. So you got to see them looking a little bit older and stuff like that. And I thought that was cool. But at this point, I'm just ready for some new Avatar. Avatar on Netflix has been getting you know amazing reviews, and you know, they're second season two is gonna be coming out where they're gonna be talking about like the Earth Kingdom and stuff like that. So yeah, they they finished both seasons for that already.
SPEAKER_02So it's uh season two and season three are completely done for the Netflix live action.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so Avatar is doing Avatar the Last Airbender is doing really good right now as far as like popularity-wise and stuff. So I'm just glad we're getting more content and we finally have a date for it. So it is what it is. I wish it wasn't on Paramount, but it was, you know.
SPEAKER_02Okay, it's Nickelodeon. Yeah, it's a Nickelodeon property, so it falls under Paramount. But it's unfortunate that it went from being a theatrical release, and especially during this Paramount WB thing where you the the talk was, oh, Netflix isn't gonna do theatrical releases, and then here you are as Paramount taking something that was a theatrical release and putting it on streaming. So like you're already going against something that you you you were fighting, you know, tooth and nail over for this merger. So it's it's just kind of more of the same, you know, like it it just kind of continues to prove my point about Paramount and David Ellison being in charge. Um we do have official confirmation. We were talking about lanterns. We have official confirmation now that Aaron Pierre Paul will be appearing as John Stort in Man of Tomorrow. James Gunn has confirmed it. He had said that was always the plan. So uh again, do do we think it's the end of Al Jordan?
SPEAKER_00And and my king will get his shine? Yes. Yes. I mean, I love Hal too, but Jon Stewart is Jon Stewart.
SPEAKER_02It's gonna be interesting. I I think he's gonna pair really well with with the Superman that we have, and it looks like Man of Tomorrow is gonna be a Justice League movie without the full Justice League. Like it looks like they're assembling that. Hawk girl's coming back, all of the the Justice gang is gonna be involved. We're gonna have Flex being involved in the movie in his power suit this time, like working with Superman against Braniac. So I don't know. I I I don't know. Do we get a Wonder Woman? Do we get a Batman in this too?
SPEAKER_00I'm also really intrigued to see what they do with Savage Run on Peacemaker's tip. Like that that stuff has me really, really interested. Oh, Salvation, yeah, sorry, Salvation Run and how that's gonna merge with with Superman or Super Girl or Superwoman.
SPEAKER_02That's gonna be the the Woman of Tomorrow book, uh, from what it seems. Um I don't even know if the whole Brainiac thing is gonna is gonna be part of the salvation run. Like I I I don't even know if we're gonna see Peacemaker in in Man of Tomorrow. Like we still might not get answers for that for a little while.
SPEAKER_00I think that won't be till after Superman, the Man of Tom uh Man of Tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02It's definitely gonna be interesting. I also think for Peacemaker, there's gonna be some answers in Clayface. I think we're gonna find I think we're gonna find out that Clayface is Frank Gil Grillo's character and that that's why he was acting so out of character in in Peacemaker at the end of Peacemaker, is that it's it's Clayface. If if you go back to uh the monster show and the the beef that Clayface and him had from there, it would all make sense with with what James Gunn was setting up. So it would be cool to see if that is the case. Um also uh Stewie from Family Guy is getting his own spin-off TV show now uh that was announced. It's basically gonna be Stewie traveling interdimensional realms, like Rick and Morty basically, with Stewie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was about to say, like what?
SPEAKER_02It's essentially that's basically the gist of it. It's Rick and Morty just with Stewie and his friends. And Stewie's gonna be taking Rupert and and a couple, I guess, of his classmates that they're gonna introduce, you know, um, along on these adventures with him. And yeah, so this is the the third Family Guy spinoff that we're getting now. It's interesting that it took this long for it to be Stewie, but uh it's it's interesting for sure.
SPEAKER_00I think with the success of Ted and like those dynamics between like it's almost like a the Ted dynamic is almost like a Brian and Stewie dynamic, that's the way I see it. So they probably would just like, well, let's just take it back to the basics and use him because we might get more people to to watch, but because I don't know. I I haven't I know Ted 2 is out right now, but well, the Young Ted. Is it the Young Ted version?
SPEAKER_02The the next I was just about to say season two of the Ted TV show is coming out. And we're also it was also announced that they're gonna be doing a Ted animated show where Mark Wahlberg and um Amanda Seafried and all the characters are gonna be coming back to voice uh the animated version. So Ted is and McFarland are gonna be rolling in it because he he looks like he's got a bunch of properties that are launching off of that. Uh something that is not launching and moving forward, though. Uh Sarah Michelle Geller, it was it was some heartbreaking news for fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Uh yesterday it was announced that the the pilot, I guess, will not be moving forward on Hulu, which means that Hulu saw the pilot and did not like the show and were like, no, this is not not happening. So it's unfortunate because I was really looking forward to this. I was a fan of the Buff, like I that was my time. Like I was I was a teenager at that time, like an early teenager when Buffy and Angels were on, and so I vividly remember those. They were also on the block on TNT when I used to get out of school, so like you used to rewatch them all the time. Yes. Um it's unfortunate. I was looking forward to this. I was looking forward to seeing most of the cast come back. James James Marster said he was gonna be involved in this, so it was it was gonna be cool to see Spike back and see, you know, the the cast all come back together, but it looks like it's not moving forward now at Hulu.
SPEAKER_00Speaking on impact or Buffy, I I mean Buffy and Angel in general. I I that was like my shit too. Right after school, it was always on as a rerun. But I would never forget the day of or when they when they it was an episode of Angel, and I don't know, it was like a puppet episode where like these evil puppets were trying to come after this kid. Yeah, dude, that shit traumatized the shit out of me growing up. That it took me a minute to even watch Tess Restreet of the Muppets because that shit was too real for me. Um, but it was unfortunate that you know we're not getting in the uh the season. And uh like when I know about like my sister, she was speaking about it, and she's really she's a big Buffy fan. It was the reason why how I even got introduced to it. So yeah, she was bummed out. She was like, I'm gonna cancel my Hulu.
SPEAKER_02But it's happened. I mean, there there is a possibility that the series could move forward someplace else. Um, it just seems like whatever the pilot that they shot, Hulu just wasn't interested. It doesn't sound like it was very good from from, you know, basically if if they get the pilot and they don't pick it up, it's usually because the pilot's not very good. So maybe they gotta go back and rework it. I don't know if this was something that like she did on her own and like this was just a trial thing. Like, I I don't know. I know her and her husband, Freddie Prince Jr. have been like really getting their hand in like production stuff lately. So again, I don't know if this was something that was like her idea or his idea of like, hey, why don't we try to get this back off the ground? And they they came with this new fresh idea for it, but it's it's a shame. I really was looking forward to seeing her come back. Um, I'm a big fan of hers, always have been. She's in Star Wars too. Both of them are, so you know, it's it's it's unfortunate. Did this did this was she like the writer or producer in this? Um, I'm pretty sure she probably had a executive producer title to it. I don't know, like that's what I'm saying. I don't know how involved she was in this. If this was like something that was a passion project of hers trying to relaunch, or if she was the one, you know, behind this. I don't know for sure. I'm that that's what I'm speculating.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but because if that is, but if if speculating if that is the case, like it's weird that they would just shoot her down like that, knowing that she's the the the catalog and all that and how long she's had the character.
SPEAKER_02But they're looking at it on like if if if they went out and shot this pilot themselves and the pilot wasn't good, they're not gonna green light it. That's just how Hollywood works. So that's what I was wondering. If if this was something Hulu paid for and Hulu paid for this pilot to be shot, or if this was something that this was her IP and her IP-like passion project or something, yeah and yeah, she was bringing it to Hulu to launch. So she didn't give any kind of clarification in her video. She posted a video on Instagram about it about a couple hours after like the news actually broke. Uh Jeff Snyder from The In Snyder broke broke the news originally. Um, but yeah, it it's unfortunate because again, I I was looking forward to seeing it. I was looking forward to seeing a lot of those that that cast and characters come back. Um, and what they were gonna do to to modernize it. And uh from what I had heard, they were gonna try to make it a little bit more horror and like a little less campy, funny, and make it and kind of lean more into like the vampire and like the horror of it. So it would have been cool to kind of see that that take, especially you know, nowadays.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_02And uh we had talked about G.I. Joe and the scripts being written for the G.I. Joe movie. It seems that Paramount passed on Max Landis script, so there still is a Danny McBride script that's out there. Um we'll see what happens with that one. I'm glad they passed on Max Max Landis' stuff. Um, that guy shouldn't be anywhere near Hollywood and really shouldn't be working anywhere. So I'm glad that that you know they they passed on his script.
SPEAKER_00It it worries I'm unfamiliar with his stuff either.
SPEAKER_02It it worries me though that Danny McBride is the one writing the other script because I feel like he's gonna write a very campy comedy G.I. Joe script, and that's not the way they should be doing a live-action G.I. Joe. Like if if in my opinion, I'm I'm more happy if they decide to pass on doing a live-action G.I. Joe all together and just let Robert Kirkman and Skybound do the Energon TV show that they have planned and just let that be your G.I. Joe. Make it an adult thing like Invincible and let that be your G.I. Joe. Let that be your Transformers going forward and just build that out. If you want to do TV movies with that, or if you want to do, you know, actual theatrical releases with that and animation at some point, do that. But like, I feel like that's gonna be your best way of of branching out and expanding this universe.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the this but between both of those, Star Wars um Transformers and GI Joe, the animated stuff has always been the thing that gets them going the most. So, and that's where most people would know them from. So do we do work with what works best. So I agree with you there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and that that Energon universe has been absolutely fantastic. I talk about it pretty much every month with the G.I. Joe title.
SPEAKER_00That's why I want to want this to come out because I want to get put on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I mean, it it to me that's that's that's gonna be the most successful thing in in out of their G.I. Joe Transformer stuff, especially with Kirkman being at the helm and and that team. I feel like the animation's gonna be awesome. The the visuals and the show should be really cool. So I'm I'm hoping that's that's the way they go. Uh, speaking of something else that's going from live action into animation, Firefly is coming back. Um, people who have been waiting years and years and years for Firefly to come back. You got your wish. Uh, Nathan Fillion and the cast announced that Firefly is coming back, but it's gonna be an animated series this time, and the entire cast is coming back. So everybody from the original cast of Firefly will come back to to voice the characters in the animated version. Um, pretty cool. Again, I I feel like this is a passion project of Nathan Fillion's. This is something he's been trying to do for the past several years is continue Firefly. That cast is very close. Um, they still do a lot of conventions together and and signings and stuff together. So it's cool for fans of the show that you're gonna get it back and you're gonna get to see you know what happens with these characters. So pretty cool. Were you ever like an original into the show or no? No.
SPEAKER_00Nope, that was definitely past my not my time. I was not on the 2000s subway special. It's a cool show.
SPEAKER_02Um, I want to say it's on Hulu. Uh, you can go back and watch it, or it's it's on one of the streaming services, you can go back and watch it. Um, it it's definitely a cool show. The the cast is phenomenal. Pretty much everybody you can think of that's like a popular TV actor or um, you know, a successful actor, a lot of them appeared. Uh Katie Sackoffs was in was in the show. Like all these people that you've seen before are all pretty much were on Firefly. So it'll be to see that come back.
SPEAKER_00Just like seeing it from images and and and clips, it reminds me of kind of like Love Cove, Lovecraft Country. If that makes if that's kind of what it's like a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Uh it's it's it's shot kind of similar, um, but kind of the main thing all takes place like in this town, and and that's kind of the gist of of the show. It's all kind of focused around this this one group of people. Um it's it's a cool thing. If you go get a chance to go back and watch it, definitely worth going back and watching it, especially knowing now that it's coming back uh to continue. Just catch up. Nope. And uh two movies we were talking about, Spider-Man and Dune 3. It was announced that both trailers will be debuting during Project Hail Mary this week. Um, so Ryan Gosling's new movie, it's already getting rave reviews. The book is phenomenal. Um, I I will definitely probably be checking the movie out at some point. I don't know if I'm gonna rush to go see theaters. I did read the book, so um yeah. So it's good.
SPEAKER_00That that is a good like content-wise. It's good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the the the the story is fun is really interesting. Um, from everything I've heard, I've heard multiple people say they've they've gone back, like people who got early access to see screeners have gone back now and seen the movie like two and three times. So they're expecting Project Hail Mary to be like a a a layup of of a billion dollar movie. I'm sure it probably will get close to that. I'm just excited that we're actually gonna get to see these trailers finally. Finally, for both movies. I'm excited for Dune 3 too. So getting to see Spider-Man finally, getting to see all this stuff that we've been talking about for weeks on end, and and getting to see Dune 3 now in our first look at that, like both trailers dropping with that movie. I feel like it's gonna make more people want to go out and see that movie.
SPEAKER_00Facts, because I've been I've been haven't been to the theaters in a minute, and I'm catching my itch for a movie theater running really, really badly. So I can't I can't wait to see this movie because I like I've heard the good reviews, but the whole Spider-Man thing has just been so crazy with you know the leaks that we've talked about and different images and stuff. It's just like we got trailers or whatever you want to call those fucking doomsday things before the actual trailer came out that like now we're finally getting to see Spider-Man. I just hope we get something that is makes sense and it's a full trailer, and we can have a really good idea of of what is going on with Peter right now and all that good stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, I I I just want to kind of see what the premise of this movie's actually gonna be and you know how how they're gonna pack all these characters into this movie that we've you know we've discussed at length and on this show already. So it's definitely, definitely gonna be interesting.
SPEAKER_00There's a side note, but I I did notice that Tom Holland and uh and MJ was Nedea, she they just got married, and I did see a pit a picture of them with the mask. He had the Spider-Man mask halfway on, and she had the ring on her finger. I thought that was really nice and cute. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02They did announce that they, you know, and it it was said that it happened months ago, like that it was just something they had kept private and done, and nobody picked up on it. So they they finally like came out and announced it. Yeah, I thought that was uh a nice, nice little thing. I don't know how much they're both gonna like I don't know how much Zendea's gonna be involved in the movie, and I'm kind of hoping that she's not involved in the movie a lot. Um I'm kind of hoping that they do keep Peter and MJ separate for this movie, but I guess we'll see what happens.
SPEAKER_00Right. I'm just excited, super excited.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, so uh now we go into our weekly segment of comics of the week. So what did you have for this week?
SPEAKER_00This week was very fun. I caught up on a lot that I haven't got to read. So caught up on pretty much um caught up on Planet She-Hulk. So I did get this, I just get this one to catch up on it, chapter four. Um good book. It's it's it's a lot of She-Hulk stuff, so you know how messy she can be.
SPEAKER_02Are you um are you disheartened that they're not really moving forward with Hickman's plans for like Imperial and like all of this stuff that he set up? It doesn't seem like this is going anywhere.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Yeah, no. I I they I keep and I keep seeing like even in the ads in the in the book here about about Imperials and stuff like that, and I'm just like, it's it sucks. Like, yeah, I seen it right here, Imperial number one.
SPEAKER_02Like, well they and well they and they did launch the Imperial Guardians book. I think that came out this week, the issue number one. But that that went from being an ongoing to a four-issue mini or a five-issue mini. So like all of these Imperial books that Hickman basically set up and got rolling, it seems like it's gonna be very short-lived.
SPEAKER_00But that's also the thing, too. Like, uh I'm not so much into the Imperials like that. I was always I was always into it for for She-Hulk. So, I mean, it would it's cool to see like the whole team together, but like I'm I'm I'm straight with just She-Hawk stuff too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, and then we also I picked up uh KU284. Um, I thought this was really dope. It's been a minute since they he's been here, so this is a five-part series, but it's basically just an intro of what he's gonna be doing, uh, some more heights and stuff like that. So I I wanted some something indie this week, so I got that. Um, of course, absolute Batman. Um the talks about the origins of Poison Ivy and just some stuff that's been happening with with his mother, but and the the the dynamic between him and Gordon is just immaculate. Um also this was fun. I know this came out before already, but I never had it before. So it was the Invincible and Spider-Man crossover. I got the McFarland cover uh variant, so I didn't read it, but I just wanted it for nostalgic reasons and because it's two two characters I love so much. So I got that one. And this was a fun one. Um I picked up Muppets New York because I just love to see some Muppet stuff when I when I scroll through it, it looked really kind of funny. So I read some of it today. Um, this is basically a a a mysterious, uh mystery type uh type comic where Kerme is acting as a as a freaking detective and the this show is go the Muppet show is going on in real time. So they're trying to give him a break, and he ends up inside the story here. So um, but yeah, this is this is where my comments of the week was uh a lot of catching up on my backlog. Oh, and I also did end up cat getting the um here it is right here. The um the the the ombius of the um of the uh Batman um uh absolute batman with with the Bane run. So I didn't catch up on that run. So I I got the whole thing here now. So yeah, that's uh that's everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, my my book of the week uh is absolute Batman. Uh fantastic issue. We do get uh spoiler alert for for those uh not reading it. We do get the big reveal that Martha Wayne is a talon in the absolute universe. So the uh she goes to confront the court of owls. It looks like she's trying to get the court of owls to be on Batman's side. Harley Quinn is doing the same thing with her group uh uh that she's her street gang that she's assembled. Um so they're kind of setting up the the war with Joker, and that Joker is like the one who spurned all of these bad relationships. Like it seems like the court of owls went up against Joker at one point and basically he wiped them the fuck off. Like he he basically beat the shit out of all of them. So it it's cool to see how like the dominoes are starting to fall. You also got to see that that Bruce's treatment on Killer Croc worked, and Whalen was himself in the in the the sewer, if you saw that. Um so pretty cool. Yeah, like you said, the origin, the actual like full origin of this this version of Poison Ivy, and how her human heart was the last thing she was keeping alive. Um that was really cool to see and and to see that Bruce is pushing the boundaries of of this and and you know, is is willing to do what needs to be done in the absolute universe.
SPEAKER_00But like, real quick question. So, like when I was reading the section where he's speaking to Gordon and stuff, and Ivy is like, Oh, we are we're like the same in the in ways, and then you see her on like on like a laboratory chair, and then Gordon mentions to him, how do you think you're like five five foot or six foot four and like however many pounds he is and stuff like that? So are they trying to say that they were like experimented on or something?
SPEAKER_02No, so um for for what Anday is referring to in the issue, Jim. So in the absolute universe, Bruce's mom is still alive. Uh Jim Gordon is kind of having a romantic relationship with Bruce's mom now in the in this run. And Gordon is aware that Bruce is Batman. This is the conversation that they have. Gordon basically goes to him and tells him, like, I know. Bruce is like, I have no idea what you're talking about. And then he's like, I know, and just looks at him with a straight face, and then yeah, he says, There's not many six foot seven, two hundred and thirty five pound guys running around. So as soon as I saw it, I knew it was you. Um In this run, Batman did have experiments done at Arkham. So when he once you read that Bane arc um that you missed out on, you kind of get to see that that Bruce did have some shit done to him, uh, as well as Whalen uh turned into croc, uh Riddler got turned into Riddler, Two Face turned into Two Face, and Penguin got turned into Penguin. But makes sense. Uh Bruce, Ivy was more so looking at Bruce as like an ally and and looking at somebody that like he could save the city with her. Because again, Joker seems to be the big bad that that ruined all of these people's lives in this universe. That that you know they're doing the opposite of kind of the Batman came first, and then all the villains came in this universe. Joker came first, and Joker kind of runs everything and is in charge of everything. So his kind of money and influence have now trickled down, and and you see it in the case of Ivy, where you know she was working on this research and these experiments, and you know the the it it failed, and uh the experiment happened to her, and she ended up having to regrow herself, basically, and that's what you saw take place in the issue. So it's been cool. Scott Snyder is doing a fantastic job with this. Um, it is probably my favorite book that I'm reading currently. Um I just can't recommend it enough. And it seems like every issue for the most part, we we get like a first appearance or like a big cameo in this issue. We get to see more of Barbara Gordon. Uh Barbara Gordon kind of takes more center stage in this and helps Batman on the mission. Which I was so surprised to see her show back up because the way he kicked her off last time. He just like pinned her with a with a parachute and kicked her off the side of the building. So yeah, to see her climb back up and get involved was really cool. Um uh coming up in in one of the up, I think it's either the next issue or um we're gonna be seeing the debut of of Robin. So uh Robin, yeah. We we've we have seen Dick Grayson in the series so far. He was one of the EMTs. You saw his name tag in one of the earlier issues. Um, and then we did get to see his face later on in one of the other issues, but uh eventually we're gonna be getting the debut of Absolute Robin. So that that'll be pretty cool, but I can't recommend that series enough. And if you're not reading it, you should be because it's one of the best out. Uh, we do have uh a bunch of the new next level books coming out this month from DC Deathstroke, Batwoman. Um we're gonna get to see those I'm ready for those new Justice League members take place uh with Lex and Harley. So it should be cool, some some new stuff you know going on. Right. But uh that'll do it for this week's episode. Uh thank you guys so much for tuning in. Like I said, please make sure to subscribe and follow to the Talkin' Soup's YouTube channel and Instagram. It'll help us out. We're gonna try to streamline everything in one place. We are gonna still share it on all our social networks, but definitely check those out uh to be direct sourced.
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