EP12| Talk N SUPES

In This episode Ed and Ameer speak about their reactions on daredevil born again season two first episode and the future of the MCU as it stands right with release of the punisher one shot being announced. As well as the Harry Potter trailer reaction,Whether the Spider-man trailer views are fake or nah? And much more in this nerd Culture of ours! 
 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talkin' Soups. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith, and with me today. And I'm on Dave. What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 0:16

We almost had it. Yo, but it got too it got too good to be true to a certain point.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

He did it again. So if you've been keeping track, we've been kind of doing this as the episodes have been going on. And uh trying to nail the intro, but it it's it's you know Yeah, at this point, it's just like a running intro.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Like this is the intro. Like, this is it at this point. How many times?

SPEAKER_00 0:38

How many times can we step on each other right at the beginning of the show? But we're back this week for another episode. Uh thank you to everybody who tuned in from last week. Last week I feel was like a really good episode. We had a lot to talk about. Uh, this week the topics are minimal, but I feel like me and Anday were talking before we started. Aaron, that we like have a lot to discuss about the topics for today. So um, first things first, Daredevil, episode one came out. Yes. What were your thoughts? Were you were you as hyped as you were like going into the season?

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Yeah, so like I said, I think I said this about the land times on this podcast, and I've said it to uh on another podcast too. But like I had gone to an event where I got to see the actress that plays Jessica Jones and the CEO of Marvel Television and stuff, so they were talking about Daredevil. Right, I've been ti Yeah, I've been I've been hyped for Daredevil season two, born born again season two, uh since Comic-Con era. So a New York Comic-Con era. So like going into this, I was already like guns blazing, like, let's fucking do it. And they did not disappoint at all. Uh I love um the beginning of this, like this season so far. It seems like there's gonna be just like non-stop action going on throughout the whole season because I I had to re-watch the episode actually, because it was just a lot all at once. Um, so um I I'm I'm I'm loving everything that's going on in here. They're starting to implement uh the MCU and making the show more of a bigger world than what we know it as from the Netflix series and stuff like that. So I I'm super hype and uh yeah, there's so much more, but I just want to hear what do you think about it?

SPEAKER_00 2:25

So I I like the first episode. Um, I had to watch it twice. I'll be honest. I I I put it on and um I tried to watch the first episode and I ended up falling asleep. And that's nothing against the show. I just wasn't in the right mood to sit there and try to like pay attention to everything that was going on in that first episode. I really like the setup of this. Um Matt's kind of back against the wall now. Karen is on the run, pretty much in hiding. Uh and Bullseye is wanted. I thought that was like we'll talk about it when we get towards the end of the episode. But for me, that was the highlight of the episode. Was that that final moment of like, oh, okay, so this is where we're going for the season. Like um, I like the setup of seeing Sword Swordsman from Hawkeye. Got to see him. Uh, we did see him in the cage at the end of last season, right? Like that was that was from the end of last season, or was that the beginning of this season?

SPEAKER_03 3:24

No, that that had that had to be the beginning of last season because that was that the last time we saw him was last season.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

So I'm saying he was locked up in Fisk's like underground pen at the end of last season, I believe. So uh to see him now like getting ready for his trial and going through that, I'm guessing he's gonna be a part. I didn't even think he was gonna be like involved in this show or like a a part of this. So that was a quite a surprise. But overall, I I liked the episode. Um, I wish we would have got two this week. I think I think that's what it was for me. Yeah, we're getting two this week though. Okay, all right. So yeah, that that that for me was kind of the the the bare bones like review of it. Um, you know, and we'll get into the nuances of the stuff, but overall, I I kind of think the setup was good. I'm more looking forward to like what's gonna progress throughout the season, obviously, and what they're setting up.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Yeah, I love what they're doing with Kingpin specifically, and you know, taking him and giving him more of that power uh structure. Like with now that he's with um with Val. So oh well Val, yes, but also with um Vanessa his Vanessa, yeah. That's that's where it was looking for with Vanessa, but um yeah, and so he is just like gun hole in it, and this their dynamic too, because he's like the therapy session too was funny because he's like, Well, what would when he does things, are you okay with him doing that with your permission? And they're just like, No. So it it's funny, it's funny to see how they were uh how they have to do crime shit as as a couple together like this now that he's back. But um, yeah, I love that. And I also love the bit that they did for him that like shows like the propaganda of what Wilson Fix is all about. Oh, yeah. How how it relates to the world the real world right now was like so on point and so fucking crazy that they couldn't done a better job of with that.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Yeah, I agree with you on that. And and I almost feel like they're setting up the Vanessa thing to to kind of already put the show you that there's like kinks in the wheel of of King Plins uh Kingpin's plan. That's a lot to say in one sentence. But I feel like I feel like that's kind of where they're they're going with it. Is like if he loses her or there's there's you know uh uh something between them that that splits them apart, it makes it a lot easier to take him down because we saw in uh not this iteration of the show, but the previous iteration of the show, like what happens when something happens. Like he lost his mind in that final fight, and then Matt was able to to beat him. You know what I mean? So like if if they can find a a way to divide them and like break them up again, and and I'm wondering if it's Val. Like we we saw that, you know, uh Valentina, De Allegre, Defontaine, you said it all in one, bro. From from Thunderbolts is in here pulling the strings, like she's the one who got Fisk mayor, you know, and put him in power, uh, all to get this deal like through the ports, where she's running weapons into the ports, which doesn't really make sense if it's based off like the end of Thunderbolts, because Yolena basically told her, like, we got you by the balls, but here's Val still running like guns and still doing stuff back door. So I'm not sure where we are, like in the timeline, like if this is before Thunderbolts, after Thunderbolts, or or what.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Um same. I I was wondering that too, but I did see something going on that they say that this is after Thunderbolts, but I kind of don't on the top of the case. I would have a hard case.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

That's that's what I would and like supposedly we're gonna see Elena in Spider-Man. That's what I've heard like recently, is that like she's supposed because you're supposed to see Peter during the events of like Thunderbolts, I guess in the Spider-Man movie. So it's kind of confusing with that bit because yeah, if if this is current day Val, like after the events of Thunderbolts, then she's still running guns, like while running the new Avengers. That didn't really add up to that. Um so that bit might be a little bit, you know, a continue continuality thing that they set up. But yeah, I'm I'm interested to see how it unfolds and bringing in uh what's his name is Mr. Nobody, uh the the agent, you know, that to come in from her to kind of like metal with the stuff.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

So that's the character he's playing. I was just gonna speak on his performance because I just feel like Matthew Lillard, that's his name. Matthew Lillard.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

I couldn't think of it off the top.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

He's super interesting. And I at first when I seen that he was in the show, I was just like, uh, like what do you what are you like I don't understand your vibe. Like, what's what why are you in this? Like, I don't you this doesn't really isn't your vibe. You're more of like your scream and your comedy and stuff like that. So I was just like, why are you in this?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Uh what Five Nights at Freddy's he's into where like that's a little bit more of a serious role for him than than previously. Um yeah, I I'm interested to see how this goes because you see him take the call from Val, and then he puts his phone in the drink and just spins his phone in the drink. But that I don't on that note too, though.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

No, on that note too, though, when he puts his phone in the drink and then they pan out and they show you that oh he's in DC, my brain already went, oh, this is this is big, this is bigger than New York because they're in DC. And then automatically, just because it's in DC, my my brain starts to think, like, oh, is he connected to like Captain America, Red Hulk, and all that stuff. That that just goes to my mind just because the movies correlate like that. So I I started thinking about that type of stuff too. So I was like, oh, hold on. This show is a little bit about to be a little bit more bigger and more widespread than I thought. Then brings us back to last uh last pod where we were talking about who do you think is in there fighting um the hand. Now, more than ever, I don't put no, I I guarantee that Daredevil has to be in Spider-Man. Like that that's a no-brainer for me in this point.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

It does kind of add up, especially because like we, you know, now they're gonna retrieve whatever they that was in the in the water. Uh they're gonna bring it to Fisk's warehouse, and he's gonna kill all the people that are gonna be removing the, you know, moving the materials, basically. That that's what he set up. Because Kingpin was like, I don't want to kill my guys, my guys are hard to find. Like, good good help is is tough. And so, like, that was the interesting thing for me, is like he's coming in. You can tell he's not a person. He's like one of those people who come into the room and like act like they own the room immediately. Like he came in with the gyro late, immediately started talking. Even Rivera's like, who who the fuck are you? And you know, and he's like, You're gonna want to answer that call. And then like you you knew, like right then and there. And then even when he's sitting with Vanessa, like in Kingpin, he's got his hands up around the chair, and he's just chilling, like he owns the whole place, and like you know, I'm I'm the big dog here. You you can think you're in charge, but really Val's in charge of of what's going on here.

SPEAKER_03 10:27

So yeah, and Kimpin even knowing like who he is and saying, like, nah, he's he's cool, like because Kingpin knows like he he's not bigger than Val. And it's just this it's just crazy how Val just always sneaks away into all these different properties, and now now now after Thunderbolts, because that was one of the better Marvel movies. Now I'm intrigued to see what she does now after her getting hot to her losing in Thunderbolts, basically. So see her back is that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Like, that's kind of my whole thing, is like, alright, so we we don't really know what's going on after Thunderbolts with her. All that we know is like Yolena kind of checkmated her, and then we saw obviously what Fantastic Four, we saw the the new Avengers, you know, footage of them, you know, from that scene. So we know that they're in the tower, they're still, you know, I guess working for Val, and Val is still the liaison to this team. But I don't know. I I don't I don't know like where goes for her or like what her big play in all this actually would be, especially like with Doomsday and Secret Wars coming up, like where does she fit in? Are you gonna have her just be like the street level hero, villain, counterpart? I I don't know. I don't know if that really like does it for me. I love her as an actress, like I'm cool with her as a character, but they gotta come up with like something more. Like, hopefully she shows up in this show, and it's just not like an off-screen, like, oh, we we we couldn't get her. Because seeing her and Kingpin together, um, you know, both actors together on screen would be kind of fun. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

From what an interview I watched with Charlie Cox and um the guy who plays Kingpin, he he was saying that they asked they asked the question was what's your favorite scene of uh out of the season? And they both said the last two episodes. Okay. And then they say they told them, like, you have no idea what's gonna be happening. I mean, oh yeah. They and they went and we were like, okay, like I could imagine the last two episodes will be crazy, but like for them to the way they they delivered it made it seem like it's gonna be bigger than probably what we think is this is for a Daredevil TV show.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

We'll get into that um as we talk about our our next topic, but still talking about Daredevil. Um I really, really loved the fact that Bullseye is on the run. Um, right. I I think that makes it compelling. Like we already like him as a character, he's a fantastic actor. Even going back to the original Netflix series, like the backstory and the origin episode that they do for him is is my favorite episode of that original run of the show. So to get him back and to have him and Matt pretty much have to say, like the enemy of the enemy is my friend, and have to team up and and go up against Kingpin again. I'm here for that if that's like the route we're going. Um I'm sure it's gonna go south. You know, Bullseye is the one who killed Foggy. Um if Foggy is dead, so that's something we we can discuss because I don't know if he's gonna end up being dead. Um there is we we do know that as that's hard for me to believe, but we do know that he's in this season. Um I don't know if it's in flash packs or what capacity, but he will be part of this season. I'm just throwing this out there. What if so in the comics of speculation Well there's there's a there's a there's a story in the comics, and I I want to say so it's Karen that ends up getting killed in the comics, and Foggy ends up going into witness protection. Um what if this whole setup story Oh I I like what you're thinking. I just thought about the comic. What if like Foggy set up his own death to make it look like he died and knew that bullseye like would make it look real? Um maybe didn't know that it was gonna be bullseye, and like in the comics, Matt does hear Foggy's heart stop too the same way. So, like, there is a way out of this if if that's the way they want to go, and like keep Foggy around. I I love that actor simply because I go back with that actor all the way to Mighty Ducks. Um he was Fulton Reed in Mighty Ducks, he had the the the slap shot, you know, and was and was part of the Bash Brothers. So I always have a uh a soft spot for that actor and would love to see him do more stuff. So as if he does come back, I'm fine with that if they end up like finding a way around that. Because that's how I could see Matt and and Bullseye end up like working together. If he's like, Your your boy's not actually dead, like here he is, and like brings him to him, or you come to find out that like Foggy's the one who hired Bullseye all along, and that's why Kingpin, you know, that's why uh Bullseye was trying to kill Kingpin at the end of the last. You know what I mean? Like you could very easily flip these events to make it all make sense, and like, oh shit, and then you kind of have everybody, all of Kingpin's loose ends kind of come undone, and like that's his downfall. You know, you you split him from Vanessa, you have Bullseye working with Daredevil, and you know, all of this stuff kind of unfolds.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

We're also getting Jessica Jones, which I don't know how she's gonna fit into this, but yeah, because right now I'm okay with the story right now, and I'm I'm thinking about like damn, we still haven't seen Jessica Jones, and uh I don't I I I don't I don't know how she's gonna play into this. But that that was another point I wanted to add to this to the convo, is that like I like the fact that uh from the Kingpin side and Daredevil side, we have like an actual team like facing each other. So it does give off that like uh I don't want to say like an Avenger level, but I mean we have like a team, like a team of uh yeah, a team of good of a bunch of like A listers from the from the bad side and the good side. But except the Volsei not being on the fixed side this time. So it's it's it's really interesting and and it makes the rest of the show really intriguing. And uh having uh Karen Karen back is is also really really cool too.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

But she's learning to hold her own too, which is which is interesting. Like Matt's teaching her to fight and like defend herself.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

So Yeah, that's that's I didn't even peep. I didn't even peep that was her when she was in the bob at first in that scene. I was like, wait, why does she look like like her? And I was like, and I looked closer, I was like, oh shit, she's undercover. Like, like she's really like getting into the whole vigilante like bag, like for real, for real. And like we know uh White Tiger's gonna be in this you know like I did it, I didn't know that until I seen the promo of uh uh of her like in in the Disney Plus promo for it, and I was like, oh shit, so they're going forward with it. Like she she is gonna really become White Tiger, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Yeah, yeah. So I'm hyped for that. Yeah, she um she's in the wanted poster, one of them. Uh, you know, we got bullseye, we got prob so I guess we can talk about it. Uh it was announced that the Punisher One Shot is going to be at the finale of this show. So we're gonna get the season finale of Daredevil and then the Punisher One Shot movie that's gonna come out right after. Is it do you think it's connected, or do you think it's more of like a setup into Spider-Man, like and to show you? Like I I've heard I so no one really knows what the Punisher One Shot is gonna be. Some speculation was that it's the Garth Ennis run where he's dealing with the Russian and like the that that whole story. Um so it it it's possible, like maybe Frank's not in New York during this season, you know, during this part of the season of Daredevil. He's doing whatever he's doing and then comes back for the Spider-Man movie. I I don't know how they're gonna do it, but they're obviously teeing this all up to all be wrapped up before Spider-Man comes out. So, I mean, going back to what we said last week, I would almost guarantee that Daredevil's involved in the Spider-Man movie based off how this is all gonna play out. Like this is all gonna end right before the the Spider-Man movie comes out, and you're gonna have the season, you know, season finale of Daredevil and the Punisher one shot, and kind of all these loose ends coming together again.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Like Well well this last summer, uh they filmed the Punisher stuff, and that was all in Queens, like, and that was really in Queens. Yeah. So like he's definitely in New York if the that's where they filmed it, they filmed it at. So uh to to see where it ends. I mean, I I believe this also connects with the end of Daredevil because from what I remember seeing in the leaks, it's just like everybody's ramping, everybody's ramping, ramping around like like like it's fucking free, like it's Freemason shit, like it's crazy. So um uh I believe it's the end of that because it's still dealing with the vigilante uh situation, and maybe Mayor Fix has set out like his task force out and everybody's running rampant, so he is still, you know, he's free after the end of last season. Um, and then on top of that, I do believe it does then end connecting to Spider-Man in the beginning, and maybe this is where we see Frank and Peter uh have that like first-time relationship where they we we like we said last time, like it seems as if like they already had a relationship already. So maybe we get like a taste of that, or maybe like that would be like a conversation on the phone or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

I don't think it's gonna be a phone conversation. I could see I could see them ending either the Daredevil season or Punisher season with the or Punisher one shot, I should say, with the the cameo of Peter being involved. Um that would be an easy thing for them to do, especially the way they shot all this, and have it be their first meeting. Um and then you set up the Spider-Man movie with the four-year, five-year time jump, whatever the whatever it is, I forget what we said, and then go from there. And then, like, alright, they're established, Peter and Frank know each other, and and you know, they can go forward. I remember oh, go ahead, sorry. I don't really again, this is this is a lot that they're packing into this Spider-Man movie. Like a a lot, a lot. And and we'll talk about something else that that I forgot to put on our rundown sheet, but it ties into to Spider-Man and and the the current you know things that we're we're discussing. But yeah, I I I'm I'm very interested to see. I've heard speculation that the Punisher one shot could actually be the season finale of Daredevil. That like they're gonna have the season finale of Daredevil, but then they're gonna tee you up for the Punisher special where like it's all of them, you know, basically, and that's how they do the finale thing. I would I don't like that. Like keep the Daredevil finale finale in Daredevil, and then let Frank do his thing. If they cross over, you have cameos in it, I'm cool with it, but otherwise, I don't know if if like I really want to see that be the finale, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, yeah, like using the Punisher once one the spin-off or one shot to like give us more. Don't make that the actual finale for Daredevil. Just make the Daredevil finale and then give us more that can maybe connect to that or not, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Can that maybe be the fallout to Fisk? Like, all right, Frank's dealing with like the down Fisk now is removed from office, and you know, Frank's cleaning up Fisk's task force and the people that are still out there wearing his Punisher symbol. I can see that. That could be a very like easy way to do it, yeah, and you know, you go from there. But yeah, yeah, I I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm very interested to see how all these things play out. Because obviously it's pretty much dominoes that they're playing at this point. They're knocking one over, and then you know, it's just gonna go now till doom till doom shit. Like this is all doom. Day prep at this point for setting up for the big thing, which is gonna be Secret Wars. So I don't know. I it it's it's gonna be very interesting to see how it is, it is, but and packing all of this together because you only have so much time. You have one movie you know to do this all in, basically. It's Spider-Man. So if you're gonna do it, that that's where you gotta do it, and you gotta set them up as being the Peter's team for Secret Wars. Um like I was saying regarding Spider-Man. Uh yesterday it was officially confirmed uh by Jeff Snyder on the In Snyder that Sadie Sink is Gene Gray. Um there is always the possibility that she could be Madeline Pryor. Um that's still debatable because again, I I if clones are gonna be involved in this and and all of that, there is a possibility that it's not Gene, that it's Maddie. But either way, he said he was 95% sure that this was this was a solid done deal. Um I still don't know how I feel about that either, honestly. Yes, I like her if that's the casting. Like if if she is Gene Gray, she'll make a good Gene Gray. But like we were saying originally, if you're casting her as Gene, you better make sure that you cast the rest of the X-Men team to be actors that are about her age and that can all age together. And and I know we're not gonna get them probably for what another three years before we see them. Maybe we'll see them all together in Secret Wars, but like I I really need to see actors and actresses that are around her same age range and caliber. Like, I don't want to see 30, 40-year-olds playing 20-year-olds, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 23:43

No, I feel you. Um I mean, there's a couple out there. She the thing with her and actors like her is that she has a younger face than what she her actual age is. So it's not like a give and a curse with that because she's a great actress, but naturally she looks younger than what she actually is. And especially when we're playing with with uh a property like this where it's mainly younger people, you just don't want to make it weird where you you you get that.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

That's what I'm saying, especially if you cast like an older Cyclops, that's gonna look very weird on screen. So you better you better have like a a right actor in mind for that. Um I really, really um I forget the movie that just came out, but uh Edgerton, the the the the kid that's been like rumored for a long time to be Wolverine. I saw like promo for the new movie that he Joel Joel Edgerton, is that his name? I can't I I I think I'm close. Um but he really looks the part in this in this new movie that he's got coming out. Like I saw that and I was like, shit. Like he really I guess could play Wolverine and and and fit with you know the fit with the Sadie Sink and and fit with some other actors like in that age range and him being a little bit older.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

He looks like uh Ben Affleck a little bit. I was looking at the pictures here, but yeah, he I can I can see it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Yeah, I'm I'm interested to see who um who they cast and and the the team they put around. I I really want to know like what mutants they're thinking about like putting in this. Like I don't want to see just the the same cast that we saw the last time around. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 25:29

Like I hope But you gotta keep some of the classic characters. Like we have to have the main the main people in hand.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

But then you need some other characters around there. Like it's it's cool if Beast is not a field member. Like, I don't need Beast out, you know, in the movie. I'm cool if he's just in the lab hanging out and doing shit at the X-Mansion. And you know, have somebody else replace him as a role on the in the field team. You know, like there's so many characters, there's so many diverse characters that you can pull from that I feel like you have to have the representation. If we just come out with, you know, oh, here's the basic X-Men and here's Storm, and here's the same team you've seen already in the Fox X-Men. I'm already like tuned out at that point. Like I want to see something new and fresh and and done differently than the previous iterations.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Yeah, and that's why I really liked new mutants because it gave an aspect of new mute uh no pun intended, but new mutants that we've never seen before and were really dope. Like I love how they what they did with magic and that, and then plus we already love to see Eliana on the team.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Yeah, that would be one.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Plus, we were really seeing like Cyclops and Deadpool, so it made if and that was well still is like a part of the Fox universe, so it was still cool. It was cool that say, like, okay, we know that that possibly could still be the the Cyclops and the Magic that really know uh really brother and sister. So um no, no, Colossus and Colossus, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not Cyclops.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

I was saying Cyclops.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

Oh my god, my bad, guys. I definitely know it's Colossus, guys.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Um Magic is a character I would really love to see in this new iteration, especially with how popular she is in Marvel Rivals and just in general. Umleana would be a great character to be part of this team. I would also Iceman and Angel are the two for me where like I love them as characters, they're two of my favorite characters, but I feel like you could easily take them out and replace them with somebody cooler. Like you could take Ice Iceman out and and you know, replace them with somebody else. Like Monet is another character for me where like I would love to see her get a lot more shine. She got a lot of shine during the Krakoa era.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Um I would even take Kitty, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah, I've heard with Latkhead though. I I've heard that Kitty's like supposed to be part of this team, regardless of what they do. That like Kitty was one of the characters. Um so again, like that's the whole thing for me is like how how big of a cast are you gonna do for this? How how many of the team members are you gonna do? Are you gonna have the whole school filled with all these characters you know what I mean? Like and have the team kind of rotate. I don't know what the best approach for this is. If it was up to me and and like we were talking about like what what to do for an X-Men film, I wouldn't I wouldn't have them go to the school. I would literally do the Krikoa storyline and just hey, the mutants, they they created their own mutant nation that's an island in the ocean, and that's why nobody's seen them or dealt with them. And the easy fix would be that you know the mutants have been involved in some of these saving people and stuff like that, but nobody remembers Chris Charles wipes everybody's mind. So nobody knows that the mutants even exist. That's that's how I would do it, and just easily slide it into the MCU without having to do all of this other stuff.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

But that's a good way to blend it in there with the whole celestial thing, too, as well.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Yeah, and you have the adamantium there, like it's an it's a layup to me. Like I was expecting to see something like that at the end of the Captain America movie when they did that whole thing with with this the statue. I was like, oh, we better get a William Stryker cameo or like a Wolverine cameo or a hint torch Wolverine at the end of this of them taking the Adamantium and bringing it to Canada or whatever. Um but they but they never did that, so that was disappointing. I uh to me, like I'm interested to see how they're gonna do this because from what we know from the incursions, there's gonna be three worlds. You're gonna have the Fantastic Four universe, you're gonna have the you know, main Marvel 616 universe, and then you're gonna have the Fox X-Men universe. So we're gonna have those conversion uh uh uh that event going on with those incursions. And I'm just not sure if Battle World is gonna be the thing that brings them together. But then if we're gonna have Gene be in in Spider-Man, does that make any sense? Like, I I that's what I'm saying about there just being a lot of stuff that they're gonna have to pack in, and they're gonna have to explain it like well for everybody to understand, not just people like you and me, like general audience members need to like grasp this that all the mutants are here.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

That's why I right now I'm I'm excited for where we're at because right now I do feel like everything's very promising. You starting off with the street level characters, and then it's almost like they're doing a reset without doing a reset. You know, you start out with the street level characters, everybody can, you know, kind of uh conceptualize that, and you just follow that, and that will lead you into Spider-Man, which is you know, everybody's gonna see Spider-Man. The chick got more views than fucking Grand Voto 6 trailer, like like everybody's gonna see that. So when that comes out, the best should be that's we can talk about that, but that's debatable.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

I I still think they made up a lot of those numbers because if you look at the YouTube views and stuff like that, they're nowhere near what the number that they reported they are.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

I would imagine more people though knowing Spider-Man than Garanthou Six, though.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Yeah, but for a billion views, like and you look at the YouTube trailer, the YouTube trailer only had like two 200 million, and then you look at like Twitter, and it was about like the same. So that's what I'm saying. Like, unless they unless they got their numbers from like every single video that was shared across the internet and collected them together, there's no way that that that trailer got a billion views. I'm sorry. Like that it's it's inflated numbers because the first initial number reported was like 600 million or something like that. And then when they announced it, all of a sudden it was a billion. So I'd take that with a grain of salt because Disney's been known to use fake accounts, fake bots, and and promote their stuff. We saw it, I saw it firsthand with Fantastic Four. They were retweeting all kinds of accounts that had blue check marks and maybe and zero to four followers on these accounts. Like no tweets previously, they were all bot accounts, trying to promote people to go see Fantastic Four because the movie essentially nobody cared about it after the reviews came out. So I would take those numbers with a grain of salt because from what I looked at, those numbers don't match up. I looked at it. But yeah, I agree. Spider-Man's probably way more popular than than the Avengers movie's gonna be. More people are probably more interested in this than then going to see Doomsday, especially after the the slate of other stuff that we've had. I know a majority of people that have just like tuned out since since Endgame. And I know no idea what's going on in the MCU.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

Well, that's like back to my point, is it's like that's why I feel like you starting with street level stuff makes it a lot more uh easier for folks to like jump on the train and kind of like gear them up into going into Doomsday.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, I I don't know how this is gonna go. I I would assume Spider-Man will probably be good, it'll get a good reception, but as far as everything else, I don't know if anyone else is gonna be able to keep up. Like if you're if you're tuned out, I I would love to know. Like if if if you're somebody who is tuned out, yeah, if you're somebody who is tuned out from the MCU, are you excited or are you not excited about this? Because I'm somebody who still watches all this stuff, but I don't have the passion and the enthusiasm for like what they're doing. Like, I don't really even Daredevil, like I'm watching the show. I enjoyed the first episode. Am I hyped for this season? And like, oh yeah, Marvel's back? No. Like that's me though, guys. It's a good, it's a good show. They they brought in the actress from Law and Order, which I really liked to put her back with Vincent D'Anafrio. So that was cool to see. Um, but yeah, I I'm I'm just here along for the ride. And and as as it goes for like Daredevil the Punisher shit, I really don't care about. I I'm sorry. I don't really care about like the one-shot movie. Yeah. Um, but it is what it is. Like, I'll watch it. Uh if it's good, I'll tell you it's good. If not, I'll shoot all over it.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Well, we know that's that's what it is when it comes to that. He don't hold no punches when it comes to that shit. But I I'm hype for it. I I just like it if it gives me hope it gives me hope that they at least have somewhat of a game plan and we're getting things back together like how we used to be, somewhat. I don't want to say it too loud and I fucking jinx it, but for right now, I'm hype. I'm I'm loving Daredevil. I've loved Daredevil since the beginning, and it it hasn't it has not um disappointed. Uh from somebody I know who watched both episodes, this next episode is gonna be very like relationship-based, so there's gonna be a lot more, I guess, dialogue and like learning each other. Um, and they said like you're learning everybody's relationships. So we'll we'll we'll we'll see what happened.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

So maybe that's why we're getting that's what I was gonna say. Maybe that's why we're getting too, because they they knew if they were dropping that one by itself, uh yeah, you would lose me if that was the one episode. Yeah, so I don't care about any of this. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

So it's it's a lot of relationships going on and stuff like that. But from what they said, was that like they're glad that they're watched they're dropping the third one because they didn't see the third one and they need to know what happened. So I guess with the second episode, it does end on a cliffhanger where you you want to know what happens next.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

So did you get a chance to watch the official podcast that they put out? I did. I did. Um, I really liked uh you know these Marvel things are very overproduced. Their their official podcast that they put out is is just literally a production run thing. It's all clips and edits and everything's nice and tight and and you know put together nice and neatly. It's not just two people talking. So it was nice to see Brad Winterbaum be able to talk to the showrunner and just them actually have a conversation. It was also interesting. I did not expect the showrunner to want to talk about that he took over last season and like pieced this whole first season together. That like this wasn't his vision. He was he was part of the original show, he was part of the Netflix run of the show. So for him to come back and and you know, to get to re-piece this together and bring back Karen and Foggy and for Brad Winterbaum to talk about all of that stuff was kind of interesting to me. I I found that I found that episode more interesting than the actual Daredevil episode. Um just to hear all the ins and outs of like the shooting process and the the casting process and his motivation about why he wanted to bring back certain characters. Um it just really made a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Yeah, the the the the director was really getting into detail on a lot of stuff. And and at one point I I I remember him mentioning that they're even working on season three. They're shooting it now. Yeah, they're shooting it. So I didn't even know that that was even it that was even gonna be a thing. So this is gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

So after season one aired, they greenlit it for two because they were already starting to shoot season two, so they greenlit season three right away. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I'm it seems like that's gonna be the plan for this. Like it's overall gonna be three seasons, and then I don't know it what they're gonna do from there. Um but I think that's like where the Iron Fist news came out of that he was gonna be part of season three. Don't tell me that. All of that. So yeah. But uh the other big topic we got this week, the official Harry Potter trailer dropped. Uh so not only not only is Dune and Doomsday having some competition with each other, now they got the Harry Potter series to to contend with because this drops Christmas Day. Um I will say, I absolutely genius. I absolutely love this trailer. Um I really, really, really love this trailer. I'm a big fan of the books. I've read all the books. I love the original movies, I love the original cast, but there's a lot of stuff from that original the original movies that was left out from the books. Um in the original books, there's a lot more background characters that are more prominent. Uh Dean is one of the characters, Neville is one of the other characters that like we saw them in the movies, but Neville really doesn't come into like the last movie of being important, and his story is like parallel with Harry's. So it's gonna be nice to see like these other characters flushed out, and they have the time, they're doing a whole season for one book. So and I love that they called it the sorceress or the philosopher's stone, because that's the original title of the book, um, before it got changed back. So pretty cool. Um I do have some issues with with Jake obviously with J.K. Rowling herself, um and the fact that she's gonna be benefiting from this based off her views and her antics and all the stuff that she does. I think that's kind of shitty. Um and she did apparently have a role in like the casting and the oversight on this series, so she is involved. It's not like they did this without her being involved in this. So there is some bad things attached to this with her being involved, but I hope for these kids' sake that people don't attack these kids, that people don't try to compare these kids to the original actors. Uh Daniel Ratcliffe reiterated something very similar where like do not put this on these kids that they're remaking Harry Potter. It's not their fault that they're they got jobs and they're actors and they're playing a role. Um it's cool to love both. It's cool to just love the movies and not watch the show. It's cool to love this show more than you love the movies. It's not gonna do any damage if you're a fan of the product, enjoy the product and enjoy what they're putting out. That that's don't don't attack the cast, don't send death threats, don't you know, make these kids into something that they don't, you know, need to be exposed to.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Right, right. And I think it's uh like on the casting side a good job that they were able to cast characters from like even the casting just in general of Harry Potter from the movies and what this is, they were able to cast characters that look identical to what they are in the books. So, I mean, it's not their fault that the casting was that good that they may look like the original cast from the movies. Um But I I just love I I I I same sentiments as you have for this trailer. I I love this, I love Snape being a black character. I love I love his look more than than anything. But the fact that he's black is even a plus, an A plus for me. Um and where they're and the fact like you said, we're this is a series, so we'll be able to get that one on that one-for-one story in as as what the book says, and it's it should be very interesting to see it in this format. Um and yeah, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Now to speak about the casting of Snape, that was a big topic discussion on Twitter. People sending the actor death threats, people making all kinds of comments. Um let me put this in perspective. Alan Richardson, um uh the original Severus Snape. What what's his name? Alan look it up for me while I talk while I talk about this. Um the original Snape was a Royal Shakespeare trained actor. Um it took him dedicating himself to that performance, he dedicated himself to all of all of his performances. This actor, Alan Rickman, uhan Richardson and his and his fight that he had the other day.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

Um that's close enough. Alan Rickman, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

He's an uh a classical trained actor. This actor that they cast is a Royal Shakespeare classical trained actor. So the there that's why they cast him. They didn't cast him for the color of his skin, they didn't cast him to have fan outrage. They cast him because they were looking for a specific quality to play the character, and this actor has those qualities. Yes, he looks different. I feel like this is gonna help the role of Snape. Um it's gonna hurt Harry's father, though. It's gonna make Harry's father look worse than he did in the original run. Like Harry's father specifically picks on this kid and you know, hangs him from a tree at one point in in like the books and stuff like that. So like that stuff could be a little bit touchy, having having uh uh, you know, an African American actor playing Snape. I also feel though like the message gets across more of like maybe why Snape get is different and feels different at the school and and why people treat him the way he does. He's also the half-blood prince in the books, so he's he's mud blood, he's he's got a human and and uh magic, you know. So I feel like that's gonna have a different connotation for the the you know his character in the movie. And and I'm interested to see how this actor takes that and rolls with it and and displays it and makes you feel as a as you know while you're watching it. Because I really hope they they show that's one thing that I feel like was left out from a lot of the movies was the way Snape and Harry start to bond and the the the the way that relationship develops. Um you saw it early on, and they did a really good job like early on in the original movies of showing how like that that relationship gets flushed out and like Snape's always an asshole to him, whatever. But as the the story progresses, you you start to learn more and more about like why Snape's doing the things that he's doing, and you know, it'll it all unfolds. So I I love this. I I think this is a great idea. Uh John Lithgau is playing Dumbledore, which I loved him in the role. I was like, holy shit, that's him. Like, okay. He looks really good. He looks fantastic. Uh Nick Frost is playing. Hagrid, he looked great. He I I I really felt like he did like a his uh a nod to the original actor that played Hagrid, who's no longer with us. So I I I think I think this show could be really fun. And the fact that they're debuting it on on Christmas, I every time Christmas rolls around, I end up watching the Harry Potter movies because for me they're Christmas movies. And yeah, they are. Anybody who wants to argue that Christmas happens in every single one of those movies. It's part of every one of the movies. So the fact that they they went and debuted this on Christmas like solidifies it for me. Like, yep, Harry Potter is a fucking Christmas thing. Um you heard it here first. It's a Christmas movie. Fuck what they say. I'm I'm looking forward to I didn't see who was playing Malfoy, like who who the character that's gonna be playing, like who they cast to play him. Um I'm interested to see that. I'll be interested to see who they cast to play his father. I'll also be interested to see who they cast as Harry's uncle, um, Sirius Black. Um that's my favorite. That is that is my favorite too of of the movies. Um I'm very interested to see. I thought Gary Oldman did such a fantastic job in the original run. So I'm interested to see like who they go with for for this. Uh and Professor McDonagal, the um, it was the original Wendy from Hook that was that was her, you know, in the in the original movies. So I'm interested to see like who they cast as her. Because again, that's another character that like they don't really establish Harry's relationship with her. She's almost like a surrogate mother to Harry throughout the series. Um, she always like takes care of him and like looks after him throughout all the books. So it'll be cool to see what they do with this. And and I like the fact that they'll have the time to explore some other stuff that's not explored in the movies and really just get to flush it out a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

Yeah, man, it's gonna it's gonna be great. I I absolutely cannot wait. And on Christmas Day, like I usually I usually work Christmas Day, but I did that last year. This year is definitely not fucking happening. And now you gotta decide though.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

So so it uh a release date did open up in December, so Dune 3 or Avengers could move up out of that Christmas slot and and take I think it's December 11th is is the weekend that's open now. So I would be shocked to see to not see.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

I had this conversation with somebody literally another.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

If I had to guess, if I had to guess, I would assume it would be Avengers that moves up. Um only because Dune has all the IMAX theaters locked in place, Avengers doesn't. So Avengers has no IMAX screenings for for Doomsday. Um if they move up to the 11th, they'd have the IMAX screenings, uh, even though the film's not shot in IMAX. So I could easily see Marvel being the one to move out of the slot, especially now knowing that Harry Potter's coming that same day, too. I I I think a lot of people are gonna stay home and watch Harry Potter rather than go to the movie theater. That's just me. Um but I think that adds competition to all of these things.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

It definitely does, but the fact that you got Harry Potter on HBO Max, it I think it makes it a little bit more lenient for people to be like, okay, the it feels like the movies are more of an event than than the Harry Potter one. Not the this this like continuing not taking away what Harry Potter has to give to it. I just feel like, okay, I have this at home and I can watch it, I can watch it at any time. And most of most of the time, people, if it's Christmas, then people are gonna fucking throw this on while they're opening presents and stuff like that. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

And for all we know, they could drop a couple episodes. I don't know how this is gonna go. So you might have two hours of Harry Potter to watch on Christmas rather than getting out to the movie theater. I'm just saying this could I could very easily see a scenario where Marvel moves their date because they're scared. Because now you're now you're going up against two Warner Brothers things in the same day.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

I'm just I'm just saying I didn't even put that together that they're both Warner Brothers properties. Shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

Yeah. So and I don't think Dune's moving because of the fact that they have all the IMAX. That movie is shot for IMAX, so I I could can't see them moving. And and I don't think they need to. Like, I I think if anything, Doomsday is the one that needs to stand on its own. Because, like I said to you, if I'm presented with the choice of what do you want to go see, Dune 3 or Avengers, I'm going to see Dune. First. Like, yeah. Like, and and probably only. Like, if I have a choice for that week to only go see one movie, I'm going to see Dune. I'm not going to see Avengers. Like, that's that's just me and that's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Yeah, no, I I hear you. And that's valid. But I I only my only problem with that is that with Dune, I feel like I have to put a lot more attention to that. So I would rather, you know, give the finale to the show. Yeah, as well as the show that has the big picture and I mean the great picture and all the dialogue and all that where I can I could be happy going to like a 10 o'clock screening for fucking Doomsday and just you know have a good time and know like, okay, this is where we're going with this. I'm going to I'm going for the cinematography. It's the finale. There's a bunch of stuff. Like, I'm cool with having Doom as my second option.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

And see, I'm the opposite. I I I'm going for the cinematography. I'm going for the epicness of how that movie's gonna look compared to Doomsday, which I already know is all gonna be green screen and volume. So it's two very different things. Um, it really just comes down to like your preference for stuff, but I'm I'm not the person that's gonna I'll be the person that'll sit there and point out the green screen and say, look, I can see it. I did it during Fantastic Four, and it pissed a lot of people off. Um But yeah, I'm I'm much more excited for Harry Potter and Dune than I am for Doomsday, and and that's saying a lot. Especially because like this trailer came out. We still don't have a Doomsday trailer. Like, there's still nothing. I I know, and that's what I was trying to say last year.

SPEAKER_03 50:22

That's what I was trying to do. I got a trailer for Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

I got no trailer for Doomsday, and they're gonna keep that tied to the vest until they want to unveil it. And and I feel like that's gonna be their big mistake with this. They're gonna they're gonna think just because the Avengers name is on this, that they can do whatever they want and they're gonna make a billion dollars. And I don't think that's the case. I think Spider-Man that's the case. Spider-Man's a different entity, though. Spider-Man's its own entity that you've built up and had solid movies. You haven't destroyed the Spider-Man legacy yet.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

So and and and yeah, and well, yeah, that part, and that's basically kind of what I was about to say, because you know, Avengers, you've killed you killed off the Avengers, pretty much. So it's like whatever, but what Spider-Man is still he's still there. The all all that we know from like previous movies is still there, so it's like yeah, the character is still breathing and alive, and and you ready to see what their next adventure is.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

So and the fact that you're only getting you're getting two original Avengers, and one of them's not even in Doomsday. You only have you only have Chris Evans and you have uh Chris Hurnsworth in Doomsday. No Hulk, he's in Spider-Man. So two Avengers that you're getting out of out of the and then we have and then whatever they gave us in Secret Wars, too. So But Secret Wars, I can see that being the movie people want to go see because they're gonna see that Spider-Man and Hulk and you know all these the characters they know are gonna be in that. If again, if you have not watched any of this shit since Endgame, you don't know who these new Avengers are. You don't know who any of them are except Sam Wilson, but you're like, oh, he's Falcon, he's not Captain America. Like, how's he Captain America?

SPEAKER_02 52:04

You mean they don't know who Ms. Marvel is?

SPEAKER_00 52:07

No, Ms.

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Marvel's is no.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

Nobody nobody still knows who Ms. Marvel is. They put out they put out a movie and a TV show, and guess what? Nobody gives a shit. And and she's probably not coming back, I would, I would hope. Um my guess is though she'll be a part of whatever Peter's doing. Like they already set that up in Daredevil with her dad.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Like Yeah, and and then the X-Men too.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

Yeah, with the beast shit. Well, then that's that's gonna be my problem. Like, if they come out with the X-Men and and Kamala Khan is part of the fucking team, I'm I'm already done. Like, you already lost.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

And Tom will introduce her to the X-Men.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

And then that's when it says, yeah, no, I'm gonna go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

That's when that's when I will have a Joe Budden moment on this podcast. And I will be screaming at the top of my fucking lungs. Continuing talking about Marvel uh Wonderman, it was announced that it is gonna get a season two. I know you're happy about this.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

Hell yeah, man. I loved everything that they showed in Wonderman, just off of the superhero shit that they showed, really only at the end at the end of the season, because that was whatever. But I just love uh their the and their depiction of LA was was uh amazing and like a one-to-one for me in my experience, and just you know, the actor's experience as well. So I hope we get to see more of that. I hope we get to see more of like the the funny Hollywood stuff that they were trying to implement in this, and uh, you know, you get to see that these two actors go on another adventure and get into some fuck shit together. So that this is gonna be fun. I want to see She-Hulk in season two.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Um yeah, man, she would be perfect. I I think that would be the perfect way to do it. Is you know, now they're on the run, he broke Trevor out of prison, he's gonna need a lawyer. So like having Jen be part of this and getting to see Ben Kingsley interact with her would be fucking hilarious to me. Like him just being like, Oh, you're a lot of woman. I'd love to, you know, like having that back and forth between them, I can I would love that. Um I really think so this could go either way. Season one was a pleasant surprise. It it wasn't supposed to be what it was. Marvel themselves had no faith in this show, and then they were shocked that people actually like the show enough to do a season two. So if if they stay on course with what they did for season one, and season two is more of the same, I think they have a good show in their hands. If they try to meddle with this though, and they say, Oh, people really like this, like we gotta do more, and they start messing with the pie, I think, I think they fuck it up, and and like it just becomes another another thing that they've already done.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

That's like another nothing burger.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

Yeah. Um, I do think that they're gonna try to wrap this up in time for Secret Wars, because again, I I still think he's gonna be replacing Luke Cage on this team. If if we're assembling Daredevil and Frank and Peter and Jessica Jones and them, and you bring in She-Hulk, I think I think Wonder Man and and Sir Ben Kingsley, I think make the perfect team with this group. I would love to see Ben Kingsley get to interact with Spider-Man. Um, I think that would be a lot of fun. And Peter, like losing his fucking mind a little bit, and like, dude, what are you doing? Like that would be a lot of fun, and Punisher and Ben Kingsley would be a lot of fun. Oh my god. I just think insane. To me, that's the team for Secret Wars. Like, if you come into Secret Wars with that team, you sold me now before even seeing Doomsday, if that's the team for Secret Wars. Like, if that's almost like you're doing the street levels Avengers. Well, like Peter's Avengers, they're the new Avengers. Like, that's what they would be. It would be the new Avengers, basically. And and that's but we do have the actual new Avengers. I don't I don't fucking consider them anything. They're all Avengers, they're all like they're all just like background Avengers. Um so I'm fine with that. You can kill off whoever you want to kill off in Doomsday. I have no attachment to any of them. Just wipe them all out and bring in Peter's team, and and you got a much better movie.

SPEAKER_03 56:28

Because they're acting like the actual Avengers, and you know, like was it the Winter Soldiers fucking team or whatever? But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Yeah, I I um I'm very interested to see how this all plays out, how it all ties in, and uh whatever they they have planned. Uh another show that we were very big on was Task. Uh, we talked about it quite a bit on like what we were watching. It's not really superhero, so we didn't really go too much into it, but Mark Ruffalo is coming back for season two. Yeah, McCursion is joining uh season two. So that's gonna be interesting. That basically says that Blade is not happening anytime soon. Um, yeah. And he's gonna be part of season two of Task. I don't know if he's gonna be in the villain role or like the the antagonist role for season two. I I don't know the premise of season two. This was originally just supposed to be a limited series, but everybody loved it so much that they're they're coming back and doing another season. So I'm here for it. I love the first season of Task. Um, the other actor that that played the antagonist in in Task, I don't know his name off the top of my head, but he was fantastic in that show. And like I want to see him in more stuff going forward. I I did see he's married to somebody that's like big, and I was like, oh, I had no idea. Like they were together, you know what I mean? I would love to see him in more stuff. He was so good in that first season of Task. And if you haven't seen it, go check it out. It's on HBO Max, fantastic cop drama, um, you know, mystery, typical HBO show. It's made by the same person who made Mayor of East Town, uh, which is another fantastic HBO show. Another fantastic so we we got some news. We were talking about Lord of the Rings last week in the hunt for Gollum. Um this week it was revealed that there's another Lord of the Rings movie planned. Um it is called Shadows of the Past, and Stephen Colbert is gonna be writing it. Him and his son are part of the writing team for this movie. They were the ones who actually pitched it to Peter Jackson, and Peter Jackson loved it, and apparently uh DeLuca and Abby from Warner Brothers loved it, and they're gonna move forward with whatever they're gonna do. It's it's called Shadows of the Past. It's gonna take place after Return of the King, so it is gonna be a direct sequel to the original three, you know, Lord of the Rings movies, which is something different than Gollum. Uh-huh. And apparently is focused on a couple chapters that were left out of the original book. So again, like a little idea that apparently they spun out into like its own little thing.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Yeah, um, I I seen this news too, and uh I just seen a lot of stuff regarding the fact that Stephen Colbert is the one who's directing this, and it's just like, who are you to even have the rights to doing he's not directing it?

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Peter Jackson is gonna direct this. Stephen Colbert and his son are doing the treatment for the script. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

Well, all right. Well for those of you guys that don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

For those of you guys that don't know, Stephen Colbert is a scholar in Tolkien. So if anyone has the right to do anything Tolkien, it's Stephen Colbert. And and you can look it up. He's a legitimate scholar on Tolkien and his writings. He owns every Tolkien thing. He, if you have conversations with him regarding Lord of the Rings, he knows everything. The man is an encyclopedia. He's legitimately a scholar on Tolkien's writing. So if he's qualified, trust me. His son, his son writes scripts for a living. So like it's not something that's like new to them, it's not out of the realm of possibility. The the only interesting thing that's all in this is the potential Paramount deal. Colbert just got fired from Paramount, his show is getting cancelled. He's going to do this with DeLuca and Abby and Warner Brothers at the time, but potentially Paramount could eventually take over, and this movie could be scrapped because Stephen Colbert's involved in it. So that's always a possibility with the Paramount merger. Something to think about like with this merger is like he's essentially gonna go work for the people who just fired him. If if if everything goes how it's looking like it's gonna go. So this there's a possibility this could not happen, but for Peter Jackson to bring Steven Colbert on this live stream to discuss the whole idea behind it and Tom Bobbadil being involved and stuff like that. Like, I'm interested in this. I I want to see what it does. Um I've supposed to be a movie, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

This is not no animation or anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

That's gonna be a direct sequel to the original trilogy of Lord of the Rings. So, like, this is gonna be the first time that we're gonna get something after Lord of the Rings that's gonna be completely original, but it's gonna be touching on events that took place in the books from chapters I think four through eight. It's like literally four chapters that were left out of the original thing. But um, it's gonna involve Sam's daughter, apparently, is gonna be like one of the main characters of the the story that Colbert's doing. And I'm here for it. I I I said last week with the Hunt for Gollum. I I I don't think there's enough of that story to make a a whole movie out of. Um, but if they're talking Lord of the Rings trilogy and it's gonna be three original movies that take place during different points, I'm kind of cool with that too. As long as we get, you know, a lot of this cast to come back, I'm I'm cool with it. It it it's interesting enough for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

Yeah, for sure. Uh I'm not the biggest on all Lord of the Rings. I've seen the movies, but the fact that you know we're getting more conversation on them and and things that are coming out afterwards does make me excited to see that because I know the fan base and it's pretty it's pretty cool to see that stuff. And I'm I'm into the the world of of Lord of the Rings. So yeah, I'm I'm on the same sentiments as you. Like let's I'm I'm interested, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Yeah, yeah. It looks like it like it could be pretty cool. Uh well that's it for our topics. So let's go into comics of the week. Um not a good week. There was a big comic that came out this week. Uh, do you have it in front of you? Because I do not. Um I can get in one second. All right. So keep talking. So the Spider uh the Spider-Man Superman crossover came out this week, and it contains a lot of short stories from a lot of different art uh different writers. And I don't know, like what did you think about this issue? Did did you did you enjoy this issue? This guy right here? There we go. There's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

Superman and Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:05

Yeah. Um uh so let's say this. Superman and Spider-Man, two characters that are very iconic in both of their worlds in DC and Marvel, just in the superhero space uh uh in general. Um they do play a lot of role, uh they do have a lot of similarities more than I thought about when while I read this, but this is something about them that it it I just to have them mingled like that, they they are still very different at the same time. And there's some stories in here that pretty much tell you that in this in like plain as day. Um I didn't love everything that was in this issue, um, but the one thing that I the one story that I did love was the Jonathan Kent and the Uncle Ben story, because that is the probably the most compelling thing when it comes to both of those characters, is that they both had really dominant, strong, like start-provoking males that were in their lives. And I thought that was dope that they brought them together. And that was probably one of the only ones that I thought I really liked in this in this whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

I was a I was a big fan of Gail Simone and Bellin Ortega's uh story with Power Girl and Frank Castle. I thought that was the best story in this in this whole issue.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:20

I did see that, but I I kind of skipped over it. But it did look nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

I I felt like this like this this could have been Superman and and Steve Rogers, this could have been Peter Parker and somebody else. Like him and Clark are too much alike for my taste. Like reading the book, and like I never would have thought about it until I read this issue. Like when they were doing the opening of the first story, I was like, oh, this is like overkill. They're the same person, like they're they're literally the same character, and I never even realized this. Uh they both work at a reporting, you know, thing. They both, you know, have the dual identity, they both wear the red and the blue. So like a lot of things. They both have the father figure, like you brought up. Uh they both have you know, the storied past that they do. So it just kind of felt like I'm reading the all-American Boy Scout Superman, and it was cool, but it wasn't for me. It it again, Gail Simone and Bellin Ortega's uh Power Girl and Frank Castle story was a lot of fun. I I love both of them. Uh Gail is you know one of my favorite writers. Bellin Ortega is is fantastic on her art. So yeah, I I I love that story. Uh Moore's art is fantastic too on the cover and stuff like that. Like just he's he's killing it right now. Um, but yeah, the crossover for me, if I had to pick between this and the Batman and Deadpool crossovers, I would be leaning more towards the Batman and Deadpool stuff. I had more fun with those. Yeah. I thought they were a lot more fun. I I a lot more comedy to them, a little bit more lightheartedness. This all kind of felt like very same, same. You know, like I I kept thinking of the James Franco meme, like same, same, but different, but same. That's actually perfectly that sums up this whole issue, like pretty much for me. But uh what were your comics of this week?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

Um so the comics of the week was the Superman and Spider-Man. Okay. Um I also did pick up Justice League Unlimited. Uh we also picked up uh uh it was a rerun, but I I I thought it was an I thought it was a new book, but it was of Invincible. Okay, and then there was one more. Oh yes, Wolverine, Armageddon, Chip Zarski, um, and yeah, that was all the bonds. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

Um, so I I have a couple here. Uh first, I'm just gonna touch on Harley Quinn. Uh this is the debut issue of Bat Quinn. This starts off with a story where Harley and Harleen have split because of the Omega energy. They did not explain her as har as Bat Quinn. They did not explain anything that goes on with this story. The way this issue ends is she goes to her apartment and Harleen's in the the one who answers the door. And they they kind of teed up that like next issue we're gonna get kind of the fill-in, the gaps. But this whole issue is pretty just Harley doing a Batman monologue and hunting down people. It was fun, but um, it it wasn't my favorite issue of the week. I just wanted to point it out because it is the first appearance of her as Bat Quinn, I guess you could say. Uh Justice League was a phenomenal issue this week. So the superheroes, uh the super villains are being granted amnesty now, uh, due to the the the dark side war that's gonna be coming up and the crisis event. So Lex Luther, King Shark, Giganta, and who was the other one? Lobo. Uh and Staro, I think. They are official members of the Justice League now. And it looks like maybe a couple other villains will be given the amnesty too. Harley is also going to be part of the Justice League as part of this new Bat Quinn status quo for her. So, Justice League, I I'm glad we're back out of DC KO because, like I said, I was really loving this book until we got to DC KO, and then it kind of went away from the characters that I was reading and went to like the Mr. Terrific story and all of that, where like it lost me. So I'm glad to be getting back to like Batman, Wonder Woman, and the rest of the Justice League. Uh Clark is missing. We still do not know where Clark is. Um, so that was very interesting to see how they're gonna tee that up. And and I'm I'm guessing they might keep him off for a while. And and speaking of Clark being gone, my favorite book this week, surprisingly, was Superman. And if you're if you read the issue, it's prime time, baby. Yeah, Superboy Prime is back as Superman. This was my favorite issue of the week. It Joshua Williamson absolutely fucking killed this. It was so cool to see Superboy Prime in this universe. For those of you guys that don't know, Superboy Prime is from a universe where he's read the comics. The comics are real. He he lives in a world, he's from a universe that's essentially our universe, where he's read all of these same stories that we've read. So it's all canon to him. So he knows these secrets about all of these superheroes that he's idolized, and it's gonna come into play in this story. I don't know how long this is gonna run, if it's just for the reign of the Superboys era, but I really, really, really want a Superboy Prime spin-off series after this, because this was absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

Yeah, that's why I was like kind of hesitant of picking that up, because I like Superman's stories are like a they come and they go, and and one if you want read most of the time, most for the absolute for most of the ones that you read, they're all pretty much the same. And you know, it's a Superman book, and it's never been my type of comic to get into, so I was like hesitant in picking this one up.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

Yeah, this book's been great so far, especially through KO. This was one of the main books that was tying into KO heavily. Um, but to see the reign of the Superboys going on currently but in in all of the Superman books, um, Connell is gonna be showing up in Super Supergirl. Uh we saw in Dan Slot's run that now we have two Jonathan Kent's. We have Jonathan Kent wearing a Nightwing costume, a Nightwing Superman costume, pretty much, and then we have young Jonathan Kent now back from the past. So there's two Jonathan Kent's now running around in that in that book, Superman Unlimited, um, and now Superboy Prime in this. So it was a lot of fun. Again, I don't know how long this is gonna run, if it's just for a couple months, if it's just for a short amount of time, but I love having Prime in this universe, and I want to see more of him. Uh, I love at the end of issue, he makes a comparison to him being the Jason Todd of the Superman family, and I love that analogy. So I'm here for it. Um, Uncanny X-Men spoke about Gail Simone and her issue in the Superman Spider-Man crossover. This is the finale of the monster crossover that she was doing in Uncanny X-Men. It was fun. It wasn't my favorite. I'm I'm hoping that we move forward now. Sometimes this book I I love these kids that are in this book. The team of kids that she assembled and the characters she's created in this book are absolutely phenomenal. Um but some of the stories we have storylines that have been going on since the beginning that like still haven't been resolved, still haven't been played out. We've had other storylines that have been introduced that still aren't being like played out, and this kind of run for this monster crossover while it was fun, it did feel like we were just kind of stalling a little bit. So I I like the issue. I'm glad that it's over and we're gonna be moving forward, hopefully to Monet coming into the picture because she's been teased for a long time, and we still don't have her being part of the book. And uh my last one, another favorite issue of this week was Green Lantern number 800, uh, the anniversary. I wanted to get that one so bad that they didn't have it. This issue was so much fun. Um, I'm a big Kyle Rayner fan. I I've said it on here. Kyle is my Green Lantern. Um, so to get this and to get it. That's another reason why it was like, yeah. And to get Kyle being the main character of this, he is this is this was a phenomenal issue. You basically got his origin, you got how Jordan's origin, uh, you got a nice story that had Wally and basically Kyle coming to Earth for the first, you know, since for the first time since he's been away. So it's gonna be cool. We're gonna get a lot of other lantern corps teaming up in this book going forward, and it was really fun to see Wally. Uh, Wally and Kyle have like a really long stemming relationship. Wally is the flash now, so Wally like comes and helps him move into his new apartment and just kind of gets him acclimated. And and they have a little team up. Kyle debuts his new look for his new suit. So it was pretty cool. I I really like the issue.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:34

Yeah, I gotta give Kyle a chance. Hopefully, I can get my hands on that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

Yeah, um, if you really want to like like Kyle, I would go back to the new 52 and read the Jeff Johns run and and read the White Lantern run of where Kyle becomes White Lantern. To me, that's like what really sold me on him was like reading that story and arc and and watching him master all the rings and all the stuff that it took to get him to to become the first White Lantern. Um yeah, I I I like Kyle. I'm glad he's the Earth Green Lantern. And then we also see that Hal is out in some other place in a different sector on a mission with the Wonder Twins, who we I have not seen in DC in a long time. So I thought that was an interesting little drop.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:17

So it was cool. Yeah, definitely for me. I mean, out of all those comics, Justice League Unlimited was my comic of the week. So I I'm really excited about it. It was okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:27

It wasn't wasn't great. Um, I like the setup for it though.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:30

Yeah, it was it was yeah, I love I love the ending more than anything of like Batman being naive of what's gonna be happening with these with these villains being on the team. Like I think. I don't think he's being naive. Um sorry, not not that's not the right word I wanted to use. Um like he said, bias or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:47

He said well he he knows he thinks it's a bad idea all around. And and Diana As is as he should. As and Diana is the one who is feeling differently because if you watched how KO played out and how some of these villains, you know, played their roles, even Lex, like Lex in the Superman book is not a villain. He hasn't been a villain really for this whole run so far. Like he's really changed as a person and as a character, and it it's I I hope they don't go the typical route of like, oh, they're gonna betray the Justice League and then we're gonna do this all over again. No, like some of these characters deserve to be heroes. Um, Lobo is is one of them that like, yeah, people like Lobo. Like, he's a fun character. Yeah, he's kind of edgy and he crosses the line a little bit, but he could be fun in a Justice League setting of like you know, having him be part of the team. Giganta, another one. Like Starro is is one that like I thought was fun. I was like, alright, fuck it. Like Harley's gonna be fun. Like Harley and Batman being able to like team up, I think is gonna be a lot of fun. Like, I think this book could be really cool going into absolute crisis. Like, I I feel like if if this is the play, I just don't want to see the tropes of like we did this already in New 52, where Lex joined the Justice League, he turned on the Justice League, blah blah blah blah blah. Like, I don't want it that again.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:12

That's exactly where my mind went. And them saying Batman is already thinking like that tells me that, like, because it's happened already. This is yeah, this is gonna this is gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

Like, but they need the Bruce knows the the deal, though. Is like they need all hands on deck, they need everybody ready to fight. And it it it wasn't even presented to him by his own idea, it was presented by two other villains that were out here trying to save people while shit was going down, and they're like, No, you guys wanted to keep us locked up in prison. Meanwhile, like we have people we care about too. We we want to help. And then that was the thing that put it in perspective for Diana was like, Oh shit, yeah, you're right. Like, I didn't think about it that way. So, yeah, I'm I'm interested to see where it's gonna go. Um, yeah, I I've I've heard a couple things going on from WonderCon right now. If you are at WonderCon, check out 27 uh 97 Studios. There's a booth out there. Uh my boy Bill. Uh some stuff dropping. I did see some stuff about Teen Titans, which kind of had me disgruntled uh about what they're gonna do with Jason, but uh we can talk about that next week.

unknown 1:17:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:19

You got anything that you're watching? Uh yeah, currently. I mean, obviously, we got uh Daredevil out right now. Um I just finished um they just came out with episode four for Invincible, and that's really freaking great. I'm I'm loving everything that they're doing in that. Um also we have um I'm catching up on shrinking on Apple TV. Um that show is uh is a fucking waterworks, but it's also really fucking funny too. Harrison Ford in that is it's it's classic. It's a classic act. Um and then uh also we have uh like I said before I'm catching up with Will Trent, which is just like you know, typical just your ABC daytime shows. Um and then what else do we have? Uh I gotta catch up on DTF and I have to catch up on Rooster. Um but then other than They were both good last week.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:12

They were funny. The well DTF, DTF is getting better. You're kind of seeing how this is all gonna play out, and and they're they're setting that up. But Rooster was Rooster was funny last week. That was that was pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

Yeah, I gotta catch up on those two.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:26

I watched everything. I watched the ballerina last night, the uh um, you know, part of the John Wick universe with uh with what's her name uh on a diarmus, and uh I loved it. I thought that was actually better than the John Wick movies. Like he's John Wick movies can be a little bit same Yeah, he's he's in the movie, but I just thought like I would rather see a whole movie of them together teaming up and having to do like an expendables type mission with the two of them rather than seeing like another John Wick or seeing like I would take part two of Ballerina because their story is is was pretty good and and seeing her learn all of the fighting and the choreography and stuff like that, like she kicks ass in that fucking movie, and it was it was actually pretty good. I I liked it a lot. So yeah. But that'll do it for this week of Talking Soup. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Please make sure to like, comment, subscribe. And as always, take care. Peace. Peace.