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SPEAKER_00 0:07

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to the Talkin' Soups YouTube channel, and we're doing something special here, and we're gonna have our live reaction or to the uh first two episodes of Maul Shadow Lord. We just finally watched them. Um, so we're gonna run down both episodes. We're gonna give you all our thoughts from both episodes and what we think about this show. So with me today, Onde Darth Honde Jedi Master Onde and I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith, and as you can see, I'm representing the 332nd, the uh the Ahsoka squad that took on Maul at the Battle of Mandalore. And uh yeah, so just first first thoughts, what did you think about like this show? Just quickly, like your first initial reaction. The show is beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

This show is action-packed, like like no, no, like no other, like there's no that's all gas, no breaks, and just like I'm interested to see this take on Star Wars. It's it's it's it's very different, but very like familiar at the same time, and I like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah, I I felt very similar. I felt like um this like I've loved Clone Wars, I've loved Rebels, I love the the Tales uh shorts that they do, and like we were talking about on the podcast a couple weeks ago, the way they've been doing the Tales series, you've been watching as the animations evolved, like each time from Tales of the Jedi to Tales of the Empire to Tales of the Bounty Hunters or whatever the last one was, Tales of the Underworld. Um I feel like Tales of the Underworld is like where you really saw the this style animation like perfected, and then now we get to this mall show and they really have it perfected. Um from what I was reading and and listening to on some of the interviews with some of the creators, um a lot of these, a lot of the the artwork for the the background of the planet and stuff like that were actually like drawn on glass, so like they were painted on glass and then they they use those like you know digitally photographed into the computer to like get their imagery. And a lot of this stuff with the 3D modeling is like they build the models and they reuse the same models over and over again. It's kind of like a a a build-it-up process to to get to this point, but I agree with you, like this is the best looking show we've gotten, and I dare say it, I would be fine if Star Wars never goes live action again.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

No, it's it's funny you say that because I'm as I'm watching it, I'm like, damn, is this actually animation or is this live action? Because there's some points where I'm looking and I'm like, this looks really like real. Like this looks damn near almost live action when you look at see people's facial expressions and just the textures of the of like buildings and things of that nature, the floor, like you'll be like, wow.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

The food we'll talk about it as we talk through the episodes, but um there's you know the one scene where they're having the the dinner and the food on the plate like looks like it's real and like it's popping out at you. So I thought like that shows just how the level of detail that they did for the show. Yeah. Um I I I really just absolutely loved it. Um, but yeah, like I said, like I feel like this gives them different avenues to do other stories that maybe like like we were talking about previously with the original trilogy, like do an original trilogy trilogy animation show. You know, there's so many possibilities with this that I feel like this is where they should be leaning towards as Lucasfilm. Like, I'm okay if after Ahsoka we don't have any more live-action TV shows. Um, just keep them in the animation like this, in this style. Obviously, tweak it to fit, you know, the whatever pro project you're gonna do. But I I love this. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah, given given that you that you say that, and now that we, you know, Andor is dead, I would definitely say, you know what, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Do whatever movies you want to do, keep keep, you know, the Skywalker saga or the trilogy, however you want to keep doing your your main Star Wars movies, whatever. But right as far as like this, like just do this and and keep it this way. And have these people that are working on these shows that that continue to, you know, do these amazing things, continue to be like the the backbone of Star Wars, because they are like this I can't I can't stress enough. Like, if you've worked on this show, if you're somebody who's a voice actor on this show, like kudos and hats off to you because it it really is, in my in my opinion, you know, I'm just gonna say this off the bat. I really do think it's the best Star Wars show that we've gotten. Um, and that includes all the live action things. I I love the early Mandalorian, I love Ahsoka season one, um, but this mall show just from these first two episodes, like this really sets a whole new precedent and tone. And I do feel, like you said, like with Andor, I almost feel like they they took what people liked about Andor and put it in animation. Like we're we're getting a very this show walks a very fine line of it's made for everybody, but it's also more geared towards the adults and the the people that started Clone Wars when they were younger and now are adults, you know, watching cl watching this show and then showing it to their children. I think that's like the the best of both worlds. But as we'll talk about throughout the episodes, like there are a lot of things that you know are very much geared towards um the the adult audience. The adults, yeah. Let's just start off with the timeline and giving people an idea of like where we are at. Um so this is one year after the end of the Clone Wars. So if you remember the season finale of the last Clone Wars episode, Maul and Ahsoka are on the ship. Maul takes the the ship that Ahsoka's trying to get to and takes off, and he's out of there. Um we don't see Maul again until this point. Um so this is after Order 66 has already happened. It's been almost a whole year of the Empire like reigning the galaxy. Uh everything's still fresh. Yeah, after Maul's Maul's hold on Mandalore is gone at this point. Um, he's got the couple Mandalorians that he has with him now in this posse with with Rook Cass, who we'll talk about. Um and at this point, the whole crime syndicate that he established leading into the Siege of Mandalore kind of dissolved and fell apart. And Maul is looking for revenge on the people that screwed him over, basically, or double-crossed him. And this whole empire that he built with him and Savage, when they put it all together in Clone Wars, we actually watched them, you know, form this syndicate, which was one of the coolest things. And so so you can feel the motivation for Maul of like these people that portrayed him and you know, screwed him out of this dynasty that that he built for himself, this little nest egg for when everything went to shit. Right, and and the and the crew he got too is pretty badass. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk about everybody in the crew. Um this this show starts off on the planet Janix. We're introduced to it in the Maul comic book series, which you and me have been have been reading. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

I I I have been, but I I don't know why I didn't get I didn't understand what planet what the name of the planet was, but they never say it.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

They don't they don't specifically say it's one of the things in Star Wars, like Andor, Andor and Rogue One were like one of the very few Star Wars things that actually put the planet names at the bottom of the screen. Yeah. Nobody else seems to do that with any of the other shows, which I wish they would do, but um this is this pretty much this whole show seems to be like at least season one is pretty much all gonna be contained to this Jan X planet. Um everything's pretty much gonna happen here, unless maybe as the story progresses, we leave and go someplace else. We do know that um when things ended, Maul had created his syndicate and had them on Dathomir. So Dathomir is the home of the Night Sisters, and we see that in Rebels later on, like Maul's hideout that he basically has and and all the artifacts that he accumulates over time. Um Lawson, even in the episode, makes reference to the fact that, you know, the their last syndicate location was on uh Dathomir. So the Night Sisters at this point, like we talked about on the podcast, are pretty much wiped out. There's only about three that we know of that survived Marin, Ventress, and Morgan Elspeth. I don't know if any of them are gonna factor into this show, but I I wouldn't be mad at it. There's also my guess is we're gonna see some sort of influence from Mother Townsend at some point as well. Um she is dead, but as we saw in Tales of the Underworld with Ventress, she's the one who actually like brought Ventress back to life through the water. So I'm sure whenever we get back to Dath Amir, Mother Towson will come back into play at some point. Um because Maul is not a Sith at this point. He's not a Sith, he dropped the Darth from his name, and he's just Maul at this point. He's a dark side user, but he's not a Sith, so I guess you would consider him a Knight brother at this point. Like he's more in line with those values.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah, I wasn't saying that because with his crew out with with him, the two elder knight brothers, is a good relationship.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Interested to see. We're we're gonna talk about the his crew um as we go through it, but I'm interested to see because we don't know his relationship to these other two. We know from Clone Wars that Maul had two other brothers, um Savage, and I forget what his other brother's name was, but Savage ultimately kills the older brother as like his final test once he gets transformed into you know a dark side user, pretty much, and it's like in bed with the the night sister magic. So that's his final test of like loyalty, is he ends up killing like the younger brother, and so I don't know, like there's always a possibility these guys are are Maul's other brothers too, for all we know. But the the Zabrok are a weird species. There's like regular Zabrok that aren't tatted up, they they don't have the markings, and then there's the Zabrok that are on Dathomir, and they're the Knight brothers, they're ca that's what they're considered. Um, they're the ones that get the markings, they're the ones that get the tattoos, and basically they're raised as a subservient species to the females. So the Knight Sisters are it's almost like an Amazon culture on Dathomir where the Knight Sisters are the ones who are in charge. Uh they kind of they're the ones with the power, and the men basically build the things, do the things, and are used for other things. Um so yeah, so far this this whole show has taken place on this planet Janix. That's what we're introduced to. Um, you and me talked about it on the podcast, and I definitely get those Gotham City vibes, too. What about you?

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Oh my god, I've been waiting for you to get to that point because that's exactly what I wanted to say. And it's ironic because you know, you were just watching uh The Dark Knight, and then we come right into this. So I'm I'm sure your brain is just like in Gotham City overload with just the so much of the inspiration and just like the little tidbits, the the it's the K the chaos with Emo and the City, like it's all it's all alive, and it's it's just it's so dope to see.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

And it it seems like it's almost like a lower level of Coruscant. So back in the day, there were there were games that was rumored. Um it was called 1313, Star Wars 1313, and it was supposed to explore like the lower levels of Coruscant, which is like lower level 1313, that's what it was named after. And it was supposed to like be with Boba Fett and show you Job at the Hutt and show you like the crime syndicates and stuff like that, like all in the underworld of Star Wars. And I almost feel like that that idea and that method was taken for this show because it is it's a very much mix of of Batman, um, yeah, a mix of The Godfather, a mix of Sopranos, and then has like that's basically what we're seeing. Like, there's there's a scene in this show that's like a direct nod to The Godfather with uh the Maul cutting off the robot's head and putting it in the tray, you know. Like, I I love that, and I think that's such a cool angle to take because this is something a lot of people have been trying to develop. You and me had talked about the Guillermo del Toro uh talking about doing the Jaba the Hutt bounty the hunt bounty hunter thing, too, as well. And this is something that he wanted to do. George had an original idea that for a TV show years ago that he was trying to pitch that was something similar to this too. So it's almost like Feloni took all of these ideas plus George's idea for the sequel trilogy with Talon and Maul and just kind of mashed it all together into this timeline. So I want to say we I want to say in total we have 15 years that we can play with in this timeline. So I know we had said the Maul show was planned for three seasons, but if this is getting the ratings that it gets, and last time I checked, it was still at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I I think you could do this show for as long as you possibly want to. Unless, like, every season's gonna take a little bit of a time jump. We have a lot of time we could play with here. Um, and I don't know how much of Maul's story they really want to flush out, but they have the opportunity to.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yeah, exactly, because it's so much they they can take as much the time a little as they want with this, so it's it's it's great. And I'm in for it because like the the city is just everything is it's just so good.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

So yeah, I might not have So the show starts off and we see Rook cast. For those of you guys that don't know who Rook is, um there's a big fan theory online that she is ultimately the armorer that we see in in Mandalorian because of the horns on her helmet and the chest plate being very similar. Oh yeah. A lot of us were a lot of us a lot of us Star Wars fans were trying to um piece that together for a while, but then when it was revealed that Vanessa Marshall was doing the voice for her, it kinda didn't make sense anymore because Emily Swallow is the person who plays the armor on Mandalorian. So yeah, it would have been a great reveal. Like a lot of us That would have been fire, man. A lot of us during the the Mandalorian season three, like that's what we kept thinking that ultimately she was gonna be revealed to be Rook Cass, and it was never the case, they never went that way. So, like if you go back and watch it, there's a lot of subtle hints that almost make her feel like treacherous or villainous or like she's gonna do something to both and and so that that's kind of where it came from. Plus the the Maldalorians all have the horns on the top of their helmets, and and she does in in the show. So and if you look at Rook's um chest plate armor, it's the same exact like design down the middle that Darmer has. So it's there's always still a possibility that Vanessa Marshall is just voicing the character because Emily Swallow was busy doing something else, but I feel like if they were gonna make that connection, they would have had Emily Swallow just voice the character.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Yeah, it would have been done. There would have been no games or any like speculations about it.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Yeah. So um you're introduced to Rook in this in this open. Uh we see her and a couple of the Mandalorians basically doing a bank heist, which is cool because if you remember Andor, we got to see something similar in Andor from a different perspective. So I love that like we're we're already getting into like the crime and like the the the breakout. You know what I mean? Like right off the bat. Um so the cops show up, of course, because this this robbery is going on, and Duel of the Fates hits, and the ship door opens.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

The most hype is fucking song of all time, no matter where you use it, the shit just hits every single time.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

It does. It definitely does. Um, and small song, too. Maul steps off the ship. Yeah, I saw some people like talking about that online, where like, oh, that's not really Maul's song. And I was like, Are you fucking kidding me? I was like, Duel of the Fates is all about Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and Maul in that moment. Like, that's what that song is. That's the whole soundtrack. Before the Anakin and Obi thing. And it literally drops when he walks through the door in Phantom Venice. Like when he walks through the door, that's when it drops, and then he hits the double blade, and everybody lost their fucking minds when we were kids. So, like now, to get that same moment of him stepping off the ship, igniting the the double bladed lightsaber, and just going to town on all 15 people that are standing there, all the droids and all the cops, like amazing, amazing. Like one of the best cold opens I've ever. And then like the credit, boom, Shadow Lord. I was just like, fuck yeah, you guys got me already. And that was something that they leaked online previously.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

So I yeah, I remember, but the thing too, also like I'm gonna keep saying this probably out this whole episode, too, is that like the I guess the art style of just how this show is where it has like that like like almost like a brush stroke type of theme to it, and but it's like it and you see like the edginess of the blade where it's almost dark, like uh what's his name? Um Kylo Wren. Kylo Ren, yes. Like Kylo Wren's, and and you know, we've seen Maul in live action and before with his lightsaber, and it never was like that. So just to see him in this time period now just makes you feel like this is a time period where Maul was really like on some balls shit, basically. So to see it see his lightsaber like that, see him popping up on his own ship with his own crew and stuff, is it's just it's just sick, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Like, I would love to know where he got the saber back from because this is the exact saber that he fought Ahsoka with at the end of Clone Wars. Um when that ends and he gets captured by Ahsoka, his saber goes off like the ledge and is in Mandalore. So I'm guessing at some point he went back to Mandalore within the past year. Like maybe when he he left the ship, he probably went back, grabbed his stuff because he's also in possession of the darksaber in Rebels. So like we know he got the darksaber back and he got his regular lightsaber back. In old canon, before they brought Ventress back, half of Maul's current saber was supposed to be Ventress's hilt that he took and like reforged with the original hilt from Phantom Menace. Because in Phantom Menace, you know, when he gets cut in half, his saber gets cut in half. He's only got the the half of it that's left. Yeah, so um the original like canon for that was that he took um Ventress's other half of her saber and then reforged the the blade to make you know the current one that he has now. It's changed where Ventress kind of has a different she kind of kept her curved blades and just they went yellow instead of like her having that hilt. Uh but the hilt with all like the pores on it and the holes, that's the one that was supposed to be like Asaj's hilt originally. And I always like before they changed the canon, I always wanted to see that story of like what was his he didn't really have a relationship with Ventress, they never really crossed paths. Um it was more so Savage and and Ventress that did. So I would love to see their relationship. Um so yeah, Maul does have his regular saber back, which is really awesome. Uh, like you were saying, that crackle effect could be on purpose, or it could be from him fixing it or reforging the saber to some point. Um we're introduced to Brander Lawson and Two Boots, who is the police detective, and he's your typical police detective. Uh little on edge.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

One of my favorite Yeah, yeah, and one of my favorite characters uh of the show as well, um, because it does add more to that gotham look, but I don't know, like we like you just said, like he's all he's all he's off the edge, he doesn't really play by the books and stuff like that. And um, like we'll get into this more, but like his also the relationship with his son has me intrigued too to learn more about and and and and this and he is the reason why this show gives it more of that like uh uh not Gotham, yes, but um andor feel to it to to it as well because regular people it breaks away from just the lightsabers and things of that nature.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

And and that's the beautiful thing about this show, is like Maul is your central character, you have your other two Jedi that are involved in the story as well, and eventually we'll see the Inquisitors like we saw, but it's really focused around like the rest of the ensemble of the cast, and you get to meet every one of the cast like in this first episode, which is fantastic. Um, I love two boots. If you've been reading the comic, you get to really see like him and Lawson's relationship kind of flushed out. The boots were actually a gift from Lawson to Two Boots, and then that's kind of how he gets his nickname. So he is a droid that wears boots on his feet. Um and he has a lot of human characteristics because him and Lawson have been together for so long. So like there's moments, you know, there there's the thing about the boots, there's moments about him drinking the calf and telling Lawson, you know, I I don't drink it, I just do it because you do it, and then we share this moment together. So, like, really, really human bonding and the the the constant thing with him is like his protocols say if something elevates to a certain level, you have to contact the Empire, and Lawson's the one that keeps telling him, like, no, we're we're not doing that yet.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

And doing that.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

He's questioning it to some extent, but because of his bond with Lawson, like he trusts him, and I feel like we're gonna see that relationship kind of flushed out a little bit more between those two.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Yeah, and I And I love that because not all the time do you see that uh connection where it's uh it's always about the Empire, the Empire, Empire, to but to see like a ground level like police force or just yeah, police force, it is cool to see because you never we never really get to know like the the normalcy of Star Wars universe. So like to see uh actual Cop Force and how they're like no like we don't need to take it there. It's like almost as if like you're calling in the FBI to deal with a situation that you know pretty much you don't want to be bigger than it needs to be.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

But but see what they know is so Janix is on in the outer rim. So basically, when the Empire took control, they started at the core, which is Coruscant, and then they worked their way out, taking basically taking planet by planet and seizing control and putting troops there and so forth. So Janix is on the outskirts, just like Tatooine was, where they don't want the Empire here. They're they're fine governing it by themselves because they know once the Empire comes, they're never leaving again. Like they're they're gonna build bases, they're gonna bring all kinds of stormtroopers and ISB and everything, and before you know it, this whole planet's, you know, fucked. So as as we saw, that there's already like a criminal underworld here, there's a lot of people in hiding here. That's why Devin and her master are here, because it's a place for them that they can kind of get away from the Empire. So the Empire coming there is not just bad for for the Jedi that are in hiding, it's bad for everyone on that planet. And and that's something Lawson and his boss, even though his boss is like riding his ass about the case and and you know the the details of everything, his boss doesn't want to see the empire show up either. And she's kind of mindful of that. So really, really cool. I I I agree with you the fact that we're getting to see like this side of Star Wars, and and again, I I'm interested to see how this is all gonna fold in because we see later on that Maul lets Lawson live, like could has a killing stroke on him but doesn't. And and I'm wondering if Maul's gonna use him as a part of the the puzzle piece that he's gonna play chess with. You know what I mean? Like he's he's just another piece on the board for him to manipulate and like move around. And and because of Lawson kind of being on the edge, and as we see, he goes to an informant to basically find out about Crimson, you know, Crimson Dawn and find out about the Shadow Collective. The he's obviously got a relationship with like this informant. Um she hits on him, she's like, I'm free for dinner tonight. So it's obviously that like something's you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Like Lawson's got something going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Yeah, Lawson feels like a guy that like Maul could almost find a use for. You know what I mean? Or when Crimson Dawn eventually, you know, Maul ends up taking over Crimson Dawn, having a cop uh or a police chief of a of a planet in your back pocket is a good way to move stuff around and do things. So there's always a possibility that Maul could, you know, definitely manipulate him to be part of his side or or part of the plan.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah. And they also, I mean, this is also for for people who are haven't read the comic, but just it's a good thing to read it because it does help a lot to understand the show because they do give tidbits and things of that nature of like like you're saying, like moles that are in the police force that are working for the underground and things of that nature. So that that is a possibility already, because it's it's already set up in the comic.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Yeah, that's why you see in the show that like a majority of the police force are droids, because they don't trust a lot of the people anymore, because a lot of the cops are on the take. It's it's it's Gotham City. It's it's really is like Jim Gordon, Lawson is our Jim Gordon, and Two Boots is our Harvey Bullock, and the rest of the police force can't really be be trusted with the information. So immediately when Lawson and Two Boots run the scan of the droid that was taken, they get this hologram of Maul. And he looks at him. I love the the dynamic of the fact that like Lawson's standing like face to face with him and like looking him up and down and examining him, and when they try to find out who he is, it's a sealed ISB file. And it says that if if this subject is spotted, to immediately contact the Empire. So there's your first like automatic red flag of like, oh no, Maul is public enemy number one, and if you find him, the ISB want him immediately. No details given of who he is, what he is, why they want him. He's just he's the emperor. Basically, 1-800 dial the emperor.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Yeah, that's a goal.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Um so I love that little I love that like little tidbit of the of it. You know, it just it it made it feel so much more special and so much more like the threat level just rose in that moment because immediately you're like, oh fuck, don't call the empire. Because if you call the empire, like we just said, your whole planet's fucked at that point. Yeah. We saw an endor. What happens to a planet when the empire shows up? You know what I mean? Yes, we did. Um, so we're we're introduced to Devonazara and her master. His name is the craziest name I've ever heard, and it I'm gonna mispronounce this all the time. It's Eko Diodaki is his name.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

You know what's crazy? I wrote notes for this, right? And I've heard it, I've heard people say it, I think I heard it three different times, and I kept erasing it and writing it again. I had EOS. It's never said in the show Jockey, and then I had Odani or some shit like that. But I landed, I last landed on Jockey. So I was like, okay, whatever. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

So so Devin Azara is paid played by Gideon Adelon. Her sister um is Odessa, that was just in Marty Supreme. She's the the girl for Marty Supreme that a lot of people have fanced for Wonder Woman. So uh Gideon Alden is her little sister, and she's the one who's voicing Devin Azara. Um Iko Diodaki is played by the Allstate commercial guy. Uh I was just saying that. I was like, is that him?

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Because I'm like, yo, this voice sounds too familiar.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

I'm just waiting for him to say like Yeah, the president was like, I'm just waiting for him to say the slang. The the All-State commercial. So um, yeah, I thought that was a really like once I heard the voice, I was like, oh, okay, so I see what you're trying to do with this character. Like, he's embodied with wisdom. Uh when you meet them, basically you're I I love this too. I thought this was such a nice touch that they added to this because so we've seen in Kenobi, like After Order 66, we've seen, you know, Tales of the Empire and and those stories with Barris Offey about After Order 66. But to see, like, all right, you're a year removed from, you know, a little over a year removed from Order 66 taking place, here's these two Jedi that are on this planet in hiding. They can't draw any attention to themselves because they know like if they do or something happens where they reveal themselves, now you gotta pack up and you gotta go and you gotta go someplace else again. Um, they're starving. They're they don't have money, they don't have food, and Devin is is really this is where you f see the first hints of of Devin and and I think what we're gonna see as her character develops is Devin wants to steal the food. Her master basically says, No, we gotta trust the kindness of people. And immediately after he says that and and tries to beg somebody for some some credits to go get the food, it's immediately shown that no, you can't trust the kindness of people because the guy just basically tells him, Ichuta, which means fuck you in Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yo, I I heard that and I was like Ichuta. I was like, Did he just say fuck you and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 29:43

And they say more cuss words in the rest in the more in the sh in the show, too. Well Ichuta goes all the way back to the original Star Wars. Um the the the Jabas say it and also um C3PO gets set told it when they're in the cantina on Tatooine. And so yeah, it's basically fuck you in in Star Wars. Um it's their way of saying it. So immediately like her master's disproven, and and that's I think the first crack in Devon is is you know, she has her beliefs and she as she read reiterates to Maul later on, she does believe those teachings. She is, you know, still a a a good person and still a Jedi and still trying to follow the way, but she knows at this point like they're on the run and she's gotta bend some rules here. Like if if they're hungry and they need food, there's plenty of food there that they can take to, you know, melee runs or whatever it was and be fine. And so she tries to and immediately gets caught. Um and her master, you know, basically rather than having her run or cause a scene or something, just basically says, No, go with them, everything will be fine. Again, trust these people. They're gonna they're just gonna let you go. It'll be a slap on the wrist and and you know, have faith. So he kind of sits down there and just waits. Meanwhile, she gets taken into the police station, goes through processing, gets put in a cell. Um she refuses to give a name because again, if she gives her name, the Empire would know who she is immediately and they would be ascending on the planet. So, in a way, she kind of saves things. When she talks to Lawson at his desk, there's a ball that's on his desk, and it's basically this the Star Wars equivalent to lacrosse. Um, it's called Budoken, and that's the name for Star Wars Lacrosse, essentially. We also see his son Riley is in the picture on the desk, also with the mother, who we'll talk about in a little bit. But uh, according to Star Wars.com, Riley is like a a lacrosse player, that's like his his big thing. And we see him later on holding the stick that's uh when we when we were introduced to him officially. And so that ball on the desk is I'm guessing like a big moment of Riley's at one point that he he, you know, big game or you know, perfect game, and and the father keeps that on his desk as like a trophy. So when Devin's playing with it, he's immediately like, no, put that back, like stop fucking with that. Right, right, right, right. Now, what did you think about like all of that unfolding and and the you know her stealing the fruit and her him her master's like influence?

SPEAKER_01 32:22

So I I didn't to be honest, uh, this is the first time I'm thinking about how she can be able to switch so quick, um, or or you know, into into what Dawes Mall is has has planned for her. Because from the beginning, I I all I was just like, wow, like w especially when we get to like the ending of season of the episode two, like I was like, wow, like she's really that easy to to catch. But you know, knowing now that she has those thoughts in her head and she's quick to like say, like, nah, like we need this now, that that that is telling. Um it's the first crack of the domino, or the first domino falling, I guess you could say. And as far as Riley and uh and his and his dad, um, you know, that's one of the relationships that I've been really interested in the most, and will kind of change the whole tone of this of the show for me from the moment it came on, because I was just like, okay, this is more of like um this is more grounded and more realistic, and it it's taking away from like the whole Star Wars things that we that we know and love, but adding a more real life relationships because you can tell that Lawson really like he loves him, but he's just so busy with work that he's never had time to hang out with him, and and it shows and it's something that a lot of people can relate to, especially in this day and age. So I really like that dynamic splitting. Yeah, that I really like that dynamic. I want to know more about the mom because she seems like an important person to this whole scenario, and um the fact that yeah, I I think uh w we might get to it unless you're well you we did get to this already, but like the girl that he goes to get the tip on that is from like the nightclub when he starts asking her about Ma and stuff, she seems like she knows the mom uh too. So like I wonder if she was like the kid, she knows everything. Yeah, maybe she was dumb. Yeah, yeah. So it it's all it's all very interesting, and um, yeah, I I didn't think about that point about uh Devin or how she snapped like that.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

So yeah, good good good catch. It's just the first, you know, the first sign of that she's she's tired of of you know, she's questioning the ways of of you know her master, basically. She's it's her it's her first defying moment of her master, essentially. Like she but he tells her not to do it and she does it anyway. And that's not necessarily the Jedi way. Well, he you could tell that like he's very this is the first time we're ever seeing this character, but from his age and from the way he ca handles himself and everything like that, you would think that like he had been a Jedi for quite some time and and been pretty high up in the order, I I would think. Um speaking about Lawson's wife though, do you think it's just a scenario where they're divorced and like she lives someplace else or on a different planet? Or do you think she's in prison or or you know, maybe works for the ISB or maybe works for the Empire?

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Um to me it felt it was giving as if like either she was dead or they yeah, like they aren't together, they're divorced and somewhere else. Because he says visit her. You're right. But like why do you still have pictures up like that?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Like, yeah, well you say the kid says, I talked to mom, she wants me to come visit her. And the way I took that was is she in prison? And like, is she locked up? Because that would make a whole nother fold in Lawson's character of like, did he lock up his own wife at one point? And we, you know, we're gonna find out that story.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

And for that girl that gave him the tip to already know her would make uh make sense too, because she's always a possibility.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

That's why I'm saying I feel like Lawson's gonna I feel like Lawson's gonna play a tremendous role in this show. And and whether whether it's to be the the guy in the middle, because he is one of our viewpoint characters. Like him and and Devin are essentially the two viewpoints of this show that we're gonna be, you know, they're they're the the the the everyday person that like we're the eyes we're looking at encountering the show. And so I do, I feel like something's gonna unfold where we're gonna learn more about Lawson, whether he was a bounty hunter in the past, whether he you know he turned his own life in. Something happened to to why he's divorced. You know, obviously he's sleeping with his informant and his son he loves his son, he's got the the Budoken ball on the on the desk, you know, he's he wants to be there for his son, but he's not. And and yeah, like you said, a lot of people have encountered that situation with parents, you know, one way or another where your parent wasn't around because they were busy working or doing whatever. So again, I I I love that too, and the fact that they're incorporating stuff like that into this show. Um we're introduced to Mall's crew. Uh both of the Knight brothers, they're named Icarus, and Icarus is played by Steve Bloom. He has been every character you can think of, he's been Wolverine, he's been he's one of the best voice actors in existence, pretty much. Um any property, anything you've you've watched or listened to, Steve Bloom has been a part of. He also voices Garizab Aurelius Zeb from Star Wars Rebels, who we're also gonna see in The Mandalorian. So um I thought that was great that we got Steve Bloom back, and the other character is named Scorn. Um Scorn is the one that's got the mask like pulled up over his over the bottom half of his face. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Yeah, and those two dudes are beast, man. Like, I think they really add to Maul's chaos based off of like, you know, their their night brother ish waves. I like that too.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

So so like seeing him come in with that Gatlin gun just blazing and laughing and just like down to do whatever for the cause is is is fire. And those guys really add a lot to to Maul's crew.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Yeah, no, I and they're the muscle of the crew, you know. We were saying how like this is essentially Sopranos, you know, we're from Jersey, so we're gonna say Sopranos over the Godfather. Um but essentially, like he's they're the muscle of the crew, like they're his they're his ride or die, you know, guys that are gonna go out and and do whatever Maul needs them to do. And again, we don't know their relationship. So I would love to kind of find out little more tidbits of like, did Maul go back to Dathymir and get these guys? Are they related to him? Like, are they another set of brothers that are like his younger brothers? Um, but you you also see that Maul has a really, really small group of Mandalorians. It's pretty much just Rook, about maybe 10 Mandos, and they're all wearing like the same gray, gray and like dark armor. They're not in the Maldalorean armor like they were at the end of Clone Wars. Um Rook is the only one who still has like her Maldalorian color scheme on her on her armor. Everybody else just kind of went with like a gray, black, it's very dark, and I guess that's more like a stealth thing. You know what I mean? They just kind of have like a stealth look to them. A couple of them still have the horns fashioned, but again, everything's kind of painted a little bit differently. Um we're also introduced to probably my favorite character of the entire show, Spybot, played by David S. Collins. Um he he played proxy in The Force Unleashed. So um, if you remember Starkiller's Droid from Force Unleashed, Sam also voiced Starkiller and was the the look for Starkiller. So really cool that they were able to pair them back up. He is the head audio engineer at Star Wars currently in Lucasfilm. He pretty much works on everything. He's got a fantastic podcast where he talks about all about sounds and dissects like different things. Uh it's really great if you get a chance to listen to it. Um, but yeah, he's voicing Spybot, and I feel like him and Chopper from Rebels have to be friends. They they they have had to commit war crimes together at some point in time uh because I would love to see that. I would have like give me a short gangster, bro. Give me like a short a Disney short of Chopper and Spybot just like doing a mission together. Like I would love it. I would fucking love it. That would be crazy. And like that would be nuts. And I love so he's running his voice through the same encoder that like Dave Falone uses for Chopper, except it's more um you know, like it's got it's got an effect to it, but you can actually like make up the like that auto-tune like robot-y effect to it. Yeah, and he I see you, and Bushido, and like little things like that. I love that. And he's basically like a slicer druid. He can hack and and hack into anything. He's got all kinds of like Swiss army knife tools and and weaponry on him, and he's actually like big, but but he's also simultaneously like Maul's pet, which I thought was an interesting like bit. Because Maul is a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Yeah, and he's the one doing the and he's the one doing the dirty work before anybody, and he's doing it like in your face, like disrespectfully, and then you just find out like, oh shit, my ship just turned off. And it's like, I see you. Like you just said, like, what this little bot is gangster, man.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Yeah, when they when they do the break into the to the prison, like he's literally like talking shit to Tube Booth, and Two Booth is like trying to unhack him and then finally does eventually, but like, so cool. I I don't love him. I'm hoping we get to see more of him. I also need uh Galaxy's Edge to immediately give me a 1-1 scale of of Spybot. I need that for my shelf immediately. If not, I'm gonna 3D print one. If not, I'm gonna have somebody 3D print me one. But love that. Um, we're also introduced to I'm looking here in my notes. Talking about Demi, Demi and uh Demas and uh yeah, Demas and the other one. I I had it here in the notes and I don't know where it went. Vario is his name. Demas and Vario.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

There you go. This is Wario, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Um so essentially they're the two crime lords on the planet. We do get introduced to uh Demas in the the Mall comic. Um we also see Vario in this newest issue, in the second issue. Um, but he's a smaller alien. Um his species was seen during the pod race in Phantom Menace. Uh he's one of the species that smashes into the canyon wall in Phantom Menace. So that's where we first see his species. And um, you also see his family crying in the background of one of the shots, like his kids, they're all like crying, and I always thought that was like a funny moment in because like George just threw that in the background of like this Anakin scene of these kids like crying because their father just like smashed into a canyon. But um he is the same species, and uh Demon, I'm not sure what type of species he is, but he's essentially like the big bad crime boss on the planet Janix. Um and Lawson's very familiar with who he is and who the other one is, and I I really, really love the intro.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Yeah, Varis uh low key reminds me of um the uh so like from Leland on Stitch, you know the experiment that is eat like a bunch of sandwiches? I forget which which experiment number he is, but you got y'all out there know who it is if you're listening to us talk about a Disney product. So yeah, him him, he reminds me of him. He he he kinda has the jersey thing to him too. It's a Joe Pesci, it's a Joe Pesci impression.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

That's that's exactly what it is. That's like on purpose that he's doing like a Joe Pesci impression for for the the you know the voice. And I love that he got the upper hand on Demas and ended up, you know, Demas thought he had him cornered, took the shot, and here he is, you know, Vario just popping up on him out of the black and and shooting him down. So I thought that was great. And like I said earlier, like seeing the food on the plate was incredible because the the background kind of gets blurred out a little bit, and you you kind of get the focus on the two of them sitting at the table, the the meal in front of him, and the detail on that, and then the godfather moment of opening the tray, there's the droid head underneath, and Demas thinks Vario did it and is setting him up, and we get the But but the with the droid thing too, it's it's cool to see uh more of like like the CP3O droids actually in uh in action because I don't I don't remember seeing them like more prevalent other than just CP3O. You see them, you see them in the Mandalorian, you see them in the original trilogy a couple times. Um they are like the more standard droid because they're a protocol droids, so they they do all kinds of different things. So you really you they're more like your your waiter or your butler type droid for the most part in the Star Wars universe. Um and basically what we find out from Vario is that Krim is the leader who took over the Syndicate. Uh Krim is a pike. We were introduced to him during the Clone Wars. He's in the whole arc of Maul putting together the Shadow Collective. Um basically we also see him in the Dark Disciple book. He's a he's in part of that uh story with Ventress and Quinlan Voss. So Krim is in charge of everything. He basically took Maul's portion of stuff and the people and got everybody to double cross Maul, and now he's in charge, and Maul is looking for his revenge. The the whole fight with Vario and Demas didn't go exactly how he planned. Like he thought he thought Demas was gonna kill Vario, and then it worked out to his advantage that Vario was the one who who lived. And now Maul's using him basically for information, and basically I don't know if he's gonna make it out. I I would assume probably not. Yeah, because he can't do he don't know what to do with himself right now. He he might be like the the rat that that Maul keeps around just for a little while until he's you know indisposed or or taken out in some form or fashion. Um we're also introduced to the fact that Maul's having these visions. Um this was something that started in Clone Wars leading up to the Siege of Mandalore. It's why Maul ended up having the siege and hatching this whole plan because he was trying to get Anakin and Kenobi to show up to Mandalore, and Ahsoka was the one who showed up instead. So that's kind of what fucked up his whole plan. His plan at that point, he was having the visions, they were connected more so to Order 66 and Palpatine, and then when everything happens with Order 66, him and Ahsoka experience and feel it at the same exact time because they're on the same exact ship. So Ahsoka breaks him out, he's he's already knowing like what's going on in the universe. He knows Palpatine's making the play, he feels Vader kill um uh, you know, uh Vader kill Mace W uh Anakin kill of Mace Windu, and that kind of sets things all into motion for him. And yeah, you also you also see later on by Star Wars Rebels that he's still having these visions and he's still plagued by these visions. So I don't know where it stems from, like if this is something just part of the dark side, or if because he's not a Sith anymore, that like he's he's having these visions, because the visions are usually more of a Jedi thing, they're more of like uh a Jedi gift. There's certain Jedi that just like are prone to visions, and that's kind of their their their ability with the force.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

I was to say, like, maybe I I I I can see it being being that, but you know, Maul is is a different type of uh Sif. So like we we spoke about last time, like there's times where you you hear him and he just sounds like, yeah, it's fucked up, but you but he's right. So I could I could see him maybe having some of those Jedi forces inside of him, although you know he doesn't literally lean all the way that way, but yeah, like I I could I could see I could see that happening.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

And he basically tells Rook that you know he's he's here to get in his his apprentice, he knows his apprentice is here, the person who he's gonna mold into a weapon to take down Sidious. And when Rook hears that, Rook's like, Sidious, and he's like, Yes. And she's like, Alright. And so Rook is almost like his right hand in command. Uh she's like we were saying at the beginning of the episode, she was one of the loyal Mandalorians to him. She helped break him out of prison when when Sidious took him at the end of Clone Wars. So she's been ride or die for Maul. She's also the person that's on the ship trying to get Maul to escape during the battle with Ahsoka at the Siege of Mandalore. So she's ride or die. She's his his right hand. And I'm wondering if there's almost like a little bit of jealousy planted here because I couldn't. I couldn't I couldn't necessarily read it. You could read it one way or another while while looking at Rook and her reaction to the situation. Either she's okay with the fact, like she's comfortable in her spot and and knows like I'm not force-sensitive, therefore I can't be his apprentice, or she feels like, oh, he's gonna bring somebody else to be his right hand when I'm already here. I I'm not sure if that's gonna split them at some point, or that that's gonna that was said and portrayed that way as like a way to show that maybe down the line something might happen with the two of them.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

But I mean I mean I didn't I didn't get that from her. I I she's just really like go with the flow with it, but she's also she does, but she but yeah, you know what? Never mind that. She does have a lot, she does have a lot of gel like somewhat of a jealousy in her because if you're just the way her body language, yeah. If you pay attention to her body language, she gives off a sense of like, oh, like is like really like how how do you even know this is your apprentice? Like, I'm right here.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Yeah, and and I'm not sure again, I'm not sure if it's if it's us reading in too much to it, or if it's the fact of like, no, she's comfortable in her spot because it's like okay, whatever. Yeah, yeah, and it's just like her demeanor because it that kind of is how she is. But so Maul's already aware of Devin. He I I'm guessing he can feel her, and and that's what I was talking about earlier with her stealing the fruit and like the first signs of of you know the cracks in in the Jedi order for her. I think Maul is already like he already is aware of her feelings of of distrust and the fact that she was indoctrinated, as he says to her later on in the episode. Like he he tells her, like, you've been indoctrinated from a young age, you were meant to be the protectors of the galaxy, but now what do you do when the whole galaxy is in chaos and there's nobody to protect because it's it's lawlessness. So now he's making her this is again what we were talking about about like he's out of line, but he's right. How do you how do you reframe the Jedi Code now in this new world? This isn't the the the republic, this isn't the old ways, like you guys are on the run. You guys used to run the galaxy and be the police of the of the whole entire universe, and now you're running like rats and and hiding because you're being hunted by these inquisitors and and Vader. So to have things framed that way, again, Maul is is putting things in perspective to for her and and just kind of continuing to chip away at the things that he already knows is inside this girl. And and I think that shows so much of Maul's character, so much of the manipulation that he endured through Palpatine that now he is using on somebody else. And and we see that in the episode when he puts Dev Devin in the cell and Devin's like, I'm a prisoner, I'm trapped, and Maul basically tells her, Is if that's the way you're thinking about this, I'm disappointed. Like I'm I'm worried about you because if that's how you feel, you can leave at any time you want. But if you think that you're a prisoner and you're trapped, like that was the first initial test for her from him. Absolutely where he slipped. He basically set it up for her, though. It it was all up, it was all a long game, and that that was the beautiful thing. Like, if you're looking at it from Devin's perspective, she you know, thinks she's a prisoner, she thinks she's captured, and Ma basically puts her in a it's it's the same situation of like putting uh somebody like putting four walls around somebody and leaving the door wide open, and just like you can walk out at any time, but as long as you stay within those four walls, you're you're you're trapped here, but you can walk out anytime you want, and that's essentially what he does. He he tells her that. So I love that. I love that test and the fact that she breaks out, and he sets it up perfectly because he's like, You're still here when he comes back after after doing what he was doing, and she's like she's just kind of like she turns her back to him and like postures, and I just I thought that was such a beautiful thing, and then her trying from the front, like Maul Maul basically leaves, he takes everybody with him, and she tries and can't get the front, but then she feels the breeze out the back of it and rips the back of the the container off. And I thought that was so so cool. Um there's also a really, really cool moment with her master and Maul that like we we skipped over because we we kind of started talking about other things, but it's when when they do the prison breakout and uh he steps in front and takes out the the one racer. So basically the two Knight brothers like flip over, Maul lands his ship, Maul steps out, and the master uh Ikidki Daka, whatever his name is Iko Dikiodaki. Ikadikadaki. I'm gonna fuck this up as many times because this is the worst name for a Jedi. Um let's just call him Ico. Um so Ico basically like squares up with Maul, and you could tell that they're they're both they both want to draw their lightsaber at that point, but neither one both of them know, like if Maul knows if he draws his lightsaber in this big of a crowd, it's gonna get out that he's here, and then he's gonna have to leave. And then same thing for for Iko that if he draws his saber in this moment, like they're gonna die, there's gonna be a whole bunch of chaos going on. So like they square off in posture, like they're both about to fight each other, and then Maul just quickly like looks to the bridge and knows that if he breaks that bridge and and those people are in harm, that Ico is gonna have to step in and and save them, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 55:40

Save them, yeah. Which was a smart move to see by Maul because we the we I mean I uh we never seen Maul be such like so much like a leader where he has to think about things like this in that nature. So having to be able to just like he's he's just way more smarter and just calculated than he than he ever had to be when it's everything's thought out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

And I'm not sure if it stems from like him having the visions and knowing kind of how things are gonna go and and like just being so sure, but the whole thing with the dark side of the force is if you get an apprentice, it makes the master stronger. So the basically the hate from your your apprentice makes you stronger because their hate fuels their anger and their rage, which brings power to you. So I'm wondering if like again, Maul's already feeling Devin. He already knows she's here, he knows exactly who she is before he even meets her, and then when he sees her, it's like nothing. Like he doesn't even pay her no mind, he's just like, take her too. And that's it. It's just a very simple thing.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

So like But that would gain to his to that to that statement you just made. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

Yeah, so that that's what I'm wondering. If like because of the dark side, he's already feeling this. And the the one thing that's gonna come into play again, because we saw it in Clone Wars, is when Maul got Sauvage and and him and Sauvage really got powered up and he killed Sateen, that's when the Emperor felt him and knew like he had to intervene, that Maul was getting too powerful. So I'm wondering if like we're gonna see the same scenario here of like if he can break Devon and build Devon into this weapon that he wants to use against Sidious, is Sidious gonna come looking for them before they come looking for Sidious? Because you don't name drop Sidious, and if if we're not gonna have, you know, he's on Maul's list of revenge, and this is the ultimate target that Maul wants revenge on. My guess is some point in this show, regardless if it's this season or later seasons, we're gonna see Maul take a crack at Palpatine and lose because as we know what happens to him in in Rebels, he ends up getting marooned on on Malachor. So I have a feeling like when he goes to take the stab at Palpatine is when we get Vader, and you know that that's how that's all gonna play out. Dual face all plays once again. So I'm really interested to see uh where this goes, like how this is gonna continue. Obviously, Krim is the the ultimate target now for Maul. We see him take out the rest of those pikes at the end and get the information that he needs of where Krim is. Um, one of the upcoming episodes is called Pride and Revenge, I think. It's like almost Pride and Prejudice, but it's Pride and Revenge or Pride and Something. Um my guess is that's probably like Maul taking out Crim. Um we're eventually gonna see him get to Crimson Dawn, and we don't know how, but we know from the solo movie that Maul does eventually take control of Crimson Dawn and is the syndicate leader for Crimson Dawn again. So I I'm assuming we're gonna work Yeah, I'm assuming this season we might work our way through it, or it just might be the targets that Maul's taking out, you know, on this planet of Janics. I don't know where Krim is. Like, I don't know if he's on this planet or he if he's on the Pike homeworld and we're gonna go there. But I'm interested to see how Maul's gonna like let this unfold to where like he's he's gonna be able to take out, you know, the pike leader, pretty much. And then once he does that, everything else falls around it. So I I know we're gonna see Draden Voss um from Solo at some point because again, once Maul takes over Crimson Dawn, Dryden Voss is is right there as his like underling. So this is there's so many avenues and so many things that we're gonna get throughout this show that I that I hope we get it all. Um there's still those loose ends from Solo about Kira and Amelia Clark's character. Um we did get resolution for it in the comic books, uh Crimson Rain. It's a fantastic story that takes place in between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and you learn that Amelia Clark's character is alive at the end of Return of the Jedi. She watches the Empire fall, she has a hand in helping Luke and all of them with information that she gives them to help the bring down the Empire, and she basically is Maul's um failsafe. Maul teaches her everything. Maul basically sets her up with a plan of how to take down the empire after he's dead. So when when we see what happens to him and Twin Sons and Rebels, she starts enacting the plan and puts those you know puzzle pieces into motion.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

But Maul Maul is just always willing to do the dirty work, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Well, he's I think he's more so willing to to find people who he can use as tools and use as weapons, and and that's how he viewed Kira, that's how he views Devin in this show. Um, that's how he viewed Ezra in Star Wars Rebels. Like he was very nice to Ezra compared to how he's been like to his own brother. He treated his brother like shit, and basically, because his brother was twice his size and and way more stronger than him, but he had to like whip his brother down because his brother had to be subservient to him the way it worked. Like, you're the apprentice, I'm the master, you need to get in line, and like if you're not, I'll make sure I beat you till you're in line, and that's how he treated his brother. So you're you're watching as like this, even with this show, the way he's approaching Devin is totally different than the way he approached Savage. Um, the way he approached Ezra. This this is almost very similar to the way he approached Ezra in in Rebels of like, I want to I'm I'm not a bad guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

I we're after the same thing, our interests are aligned, and yeah, he's saying we'll lean in like like he's leaning in very slowly with this one compared to you know his others.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Yeah, so it's gonna be interesting to see if he can manipulate and mold Devin into what he wants her to be and and how that evolves as this show takes place. Um we do know from the trailers that they're gonna end up facing off against the Inquisitors. I don't know what that means for her master. I don't know if her master ends up getting killed in the process here. We do see that he was trailing Lawson and kind of wanting to approach Lawson but didn't necessarily know how. And Lawson pulls the whole you know gun on him in the alley thing. So yeah, I'm I'm interested. What do you what do you think? Like, do you have any predictions or things that you want to see for like how this is gonna play out for this first season based off what we know already?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

I mean, I I want to know more about the situation the the relationship between uh the the son and and Lawson. And also like I'm also wondering like why was Der Dermin Dermi is that he said his name? Dir Dermenius, the the the crime Demus, yeah. Why was Demious um because you know he's he's they they say like they made a deal and like why wouldn't you think I would cross you with var Vivarios and why we and it did blow my mind and it still is kind of of like why was he so quick to like switching him? He he must have done more other stuff before that, or little things before that for him to even get that explanation.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Although yeah, they were both they were both part of Maul's original shadow collective that he put together originally. Um, like I said, half the shadow collective betrayed Maul and basically split. So um when that all took place, Demas took control of Janix, and Vario basically makes a truce with him, as we saw in the comic book, that they they basically split Janix. That, like, hey, we'll we'll honor each other. It's basically, you know, the crime families. He's he's one member of one family and he's another member of the other family. You stay on your turf, I'll stay on mine, we don't fuck with each other's money, and we're good. And that's kind of the the the agreement they had. So immediately Demas thinks that it's Vario because everybody thinks Maul's dead. They all think like we don't ever have to worry about him. And then when they see Maul, like when when Vario sees Maul, he's shitting his pants because he's like, no, no, no, no, fuck. I didn't I didn't mean to. Like, I didn't I thought you were dead. Like so it we're gonna see that as it unfolds with all of the crime syndicates. I'm interested to see if we're gonna get a showdown with the huts or if Maul's just gonna if the huts the huts get really empowered through the Empire, like Jabba, especially. Right. So I'm interested to see if like Maul just kind of lets the Huts go out of this whole thing or if they're part of his plot for revenge. But we definitely know that Krim is next on the list, and then I'm assuming Crimson Dawn and Black Sun is another one I would love to see. We saw Zizor, I believe his name is from Shadows of the Empire. He was in The Last Time We Know, he was the head of of Black Sun, so I'm interested to see like what other characters were gonna get brought back from the original crime syndicate.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

Yeah. Yes, this is good. The show has been really great. Um I'm loving the like cinem the cinematography, the artwork of it, and just one and two, well, basically like one episode, I feel like, in a way, but I mean they had to make it too to get to the May of the Fourth thing. But other than that, like the show is just I think it's that I now I feel like the show is just starting for real, for real. So I'm I'm really eager to see where we go in uh three and four.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm really like I said, I'm I'm interested to see how this is all gonna play out for season one and and how fast or how slow we're gonna progress. Because this could either like you know, next episode he could take out Krim, next episode he could take out somebody else, or that could be the inquisit, you know, like we could already get the Inquisitors here because they can get like we know the Inquisitors are. coming at some point.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

Yeah, because it can like just like storytelling wise, it can this show can can can go like straight into like that like typical like Clone Wars uh mode where it's just like it's just building information, information, information, and then you really don't go anywhere. But with the number of episodes on this, I don't I don't think that will be the case. But it I mean you never know it's it's just felony at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

It's only it's only 10 episodes. I don't think with this show he's gonna waste time. I think he I want to say I want to believe this actually I don't know if it's the truth but I want to believe that he learned his lesson from Ahsoka season one. It was his first live action thing that he did. He kept telling everybody that like you didn't need to know anything uh this that and the third and basically every time I rewatch as much as I love Ahsoka I love Ahsoka and that show and all of the characters as part of that show. I skipped the first four episodes every time and just watch the last four episodes because the first half of that show is a bunch of garbage and a bunch of nonsense that kind of just prolongs the show rather than like building on the story, filling you in on what's going on. If we just started the show from like the Anakin Ahsoka meeting and then progressed from there, it would have been a much better show rather than like doing this whole soaking Ahsoka that didn't even make sense with what took place for Mandalorian and her appearance. So I'm hoping that he learned his lesson from there about like you can't have these like filler episodes or these episodes that don't really go anywhere or defy things you've already established. You need to keep the pace moving and you need to keep things going. So I really do hope that like this is this is what we're getting with the mole show because these again with these first two episodes I I'm I'm amazed. I I love it I'm so happy for Sam Whitwer. He's been somebody that I've I've exchanged interactions with I've met him at at a con before I think he does phenomenal work and I'm really happy to see that like he landed his own show now finally just like solely focused around him and with this amazing cast everybody again who works on this show who is part of the voice cast like hats off to all of you because it it's fantastic and this ensemble is just amazing and I I love the fact that we're getting Vanessa Marshall and Steve Bloom and some of these regulars in Star Wars back. I'm sure we're gonna get Clancy at some point in this show. He usually does a voice for somebody oh actually we are going to get Clancy because he does voice the crow. So we will see him back uh reunited with Sam again. He also voiced Savage he also played a character in Ahsoka and Star Wars Rebels. So like I I love the fact that we have these same people that keep coming back and being part of Star Wars and it it really just makes the vibe different. You you tell that these people care and these people love what they're doing and it shows you know like you can see the difference between some of the other shows where like they're just putting stuff together they don't really know what they're doing. They're bringing actors that haven't really done this in a long time back to fill a role and it's just kind of is what it is but when you get you know uh act projects of passion I should say that like that like these people actually care what they're doing. They they they're really invested in these characters they want to see this show progress and grow mall is the result of of that labor of love. So yeah I always like stories animation over live action anyways but yeah this is it for the two episodes um go ahead yeah I I feel like I feel like like I said at the beginning of the show if if they want to do stuff with Lukan and Leia this is the way to do it. Fuck the the digital recreation of them unless you're gonna recast them if you want to still use Mark Hamill and you still want to you want to have somebody do a Harrison Ford impression to to do the voiceover because I don't think Harrison Ford would do the voiceover for Han. I think you could do that and have Billy Lord play her mom and do the you know do the voice for Leia and call it a fucking day and and do whatever adventures whatever stories you can incorporate Mando you can incorporate Grogu you can do all these things in this animation style I'm here for it. Like if if you don't want to do live action TV shows because it costs too much money and you're not sure how they're gonna be received do stuff in this animation format and and I'll be here to watch it. Me too thanks so but yeah um that'll do it for our coverage of the first two episodes of Maul Shadow Lord um I'm still not sure how we're gonna do this next week whether we're gonna record on a different day so we can cover the episodes as part of the regular podcast episode but we didn't want to leave you guys hanging and we knew we had so much to discuss with these first two episodes that discussing four episodes next week would have been a huge problem. But let us know in the comments below if you guys want us to do separate coverage on the show going forward or if you would like us to just keep it rolled in with the podcast and then we can figure it out from there. Please make sure to like comment subscribe review us on whatever podcast platform you listen to us or if you're watching the YouTube please make sure to subscribe below and uh thank you guys so so much. May the voice be with you