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Ep14| Mauls T.E.D Talk of Manipulation
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In this Packed! episode we go deep into the breakdown of Maul showdown lord for ep 3-4 and give our thoughts on daredevil episode 4 and what we think this ended means for Vanessa. Ed gives his thoughts on X-men Reboot going back to the O.G 5 AND WHY DID MIKE COLTER LEAK HIS APPEARANCE! and we also talk about the cinema con hype beginning and our movies We are most hyped for to see out of the convention!
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01:35 Reactions to Episodes 3 and 4 of Maul
06:12 Character Dynamics and Family Drama
11:10 Maul's Manipulation and Influence
32:49 Invincible: A New Season Overview
37:44 The Boys: Current Season Insights
40:04 Potential Spin-offs in The Boys Universe
41:01 Daredevil: Character Dynamics and Predictions
46:41 The Punisher: Anticipation and Concerns
58:02 Marvel's Future: X-Men and Thunderbolts
01:02:04 CinemaCon Insights: Anticipated Releases
01:27:58 The New Absolute Batman Universe
01:29:07 Live Action Adaptations and Anticipations
01:30:47 Toy News and Market Trends
01:32:30 Comic Book Highlights of the Week
01:38:12 TV Shows and Streaming Recommendations
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Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talkin Soups. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith, and with me today is my co-host. See, now we got it in a rhythm, but we pushed it today to Monday so we could talk about episodes three and four of them all. And uh immediately, what was your um like first reaction to these two episodes?
SPEAKER_01This show just continues to uh enroll in the drama for just so much that's going on in the Star Wars universe, uh, even that down to like family drama, just lore drama. There's so much drama like in every aspect that you look at it, and I'm into it and I love it. Um, and on top of that, like freaking episode three is probably my favorite so far of out of all the episodes we've seen so far.
SPEAKER_00You got some of that family stuff that you wanted too, like you got some of that more family dynamic and a little bit more of that relationship flushed out, like you wanted to see. And we did find out that it's his mom's mom's Imperial. Mm-hmm. The drama continues. Yeah. Do you think she's like we're gonna talk about like both episodes, but do you think she's on the Imperial Star Cruiser like coming? Like, and that's gonna be more part of the show. If it's like her showing up.
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean, if I was a mom and I found out that there's some shit going on in a city that I know that my husband probably doesn't want me to be a part of, yeah, I think I'm coming down there because uh I don't want to know, I want to know if my kid has anything to do with that, if my family's safe and whatnot.
SPEAKER_00And like we talked about in the breakdown, like Riley is a breakout star. Like that whole stadium is cheering, you know, Lawson and Riley and like watching him score the goal. So he is like your your Messier or you know, who whoever, like your your top guy on the soccer field.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I didn't think that I didn't think the lacrosse team that he was on was like like like the NBA or like the soccer team, like at least for the player, like some little high school thing, like this is like a full-on stadium that like a football, football field. I was like, oh damn. But it was also nice seeing more like sports stuff too in the Star Wars universe, because we don't get that all the time. So it was cool to know, like, you know, they do have some type of entertainment, it's not all just like seriousness and lasers.
SPEAKER_00And something interesting too. Um, Alex and Mac from Children of the Watch actually pointed it out, which I remember it, but like I didn't remember it until they jogged my memory talking about it. But um in Phantom Menace, we do see a lacrosse stick in like Anakin's uh house. Like, so so like uh I guess it it it's been involved in Star Wars before, there's just now we're actually like seeing it and we're seeing like Riley, this star player for you know the the planet of Janics, I guess, and their their team of of Badoken um and yeah, it it looks cool. I I love that. I thought that was really cool. And you got to see that immediately Lawson gets pulled away from work and like misses the goal. He hears the crowd, but like misses misses the whole thing. Um, so that was a little heartbreaking. And then yeah, if mom is coming, I have a feeling like this is when he loses his son, like his son's gonna want to gravitate towards mom because mom now is gonna be here, she's gonna be the hero, and you know, before you know it, like he is not gonna stand his whole thing of probably trying to be the dad that can be responsible and watch his kid, it's just gonna go straight down the drain, and he's just gonna look like a piece of shit. And I love the duality too, because Maul even like talks to him. He's like, You seem like an honorable man. And he's like, the fact that you didn't call the Empire, you broke Imperial Protocol, like the fact that you're even here talking to me, you know, trying to negotiate before we we have this fight shows you what type of person Lawson is. And and I thought that was great of Maul. Like, look, I'll offer you protection. Nobody's gotta get hurt on this planet. I'll watch over and like I'll be your Batman, Commissioner Gordon, and you know, like I'll look, I'll look over, and you just look the other way and let me do what I'm doing. And nope, you know, nope. Yeah, this show doesn't have to bother nobody.
SPEAKER_01This show continues to play on that whole Gotham theme. As they were in that in his in his lair, and he was there talking to him like that. The only thing I could think of is when uh the Robert Patterson Batman is when he comes into that courtroom area when uh uh when what was it that die? I think it was oh it was for his parents' funeral, yeah. And and then like the Riddler throws like the gar into like the middle of the the funeral or whatever. That was the only thing I could think of because that scenery and just the the the vibe just gave me that Urie and sinisterness vibe of the of of the Batman and just Gotham City in general. And and I don't think this is gonna be the end of us getting this vibe, to be honest. So I love it.
SPEAKER_00No, and we're gonna we're gonna definitely get more. Um, especially like so I I love the opening of like Devin getting out and um Vario immediately being like, How did you get out? Get me out, like I'm hungry and start. But like as soon as as soon as so, like what we talked about in the breakdown was we essentially thought like the whole thing was a test. Maul kind of having everybody leave the room, let her break out, and we we saw in the beginning of this episode that's exactly what it was. Like uh Rook is what is waiting there for her to break out and just kind of ushers her into the hallway, like Maul's waiting for you. And I thought something that was really cool that I didn't hear anybody else talk about, like in their breakdown so far, when Maul first initially meets Pre-Vizla in the Clone Wars, um Pre-Vizla brings him in and has a tea ceremony, and it's the same tea that Maul has with Devin. So I thought that was interesting that like he he uses that as like the the icebreaker, but he made sure to detach his saber into two parts and he left the one half in an in a place that like he knew she could take it. And so, like again, testing her uh a second time now of like he knew she was gonna take the saber at some point, he wanted to see what she was gonna do with it, and then like when she does take it and use it, you can tell that he's he's only fighting her with one hand, his other hand's behind his back, and like it's absolutely on some doo shit, man. I was like, let me find out you know the styles. Well, there are like different Jedi styles for like the way of fighting, and and uh Huyang talks about it in the Clone Wars and then talks about it again in Ahsoka. Like, there are different stances and forms for like the lightsaber combat, so it's possible, it's very possible that like Palpatine taught him all of the different forms so this way he he knows because literally he's just head behind the back and just like effortlessly just sparring with her. And I love when he turns the lights out and you get that like horror movie feel.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, dude. I was I wrote it in my notes, but I was like, this scene is like very sinisterish, and the sound design was crazy because I'm listening to it here on my home pod at my on my TV, and I'm like, yo, I can hear when he's close, and I can hear when he's really far away. That's fucking impressive. And kudos team and Lucas films for that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and you see him like in the shadows of the shot, which just looks incredible, and like the the the horror feel of that. I also don't know. Do you like if you watch the episode with the subtitles, Maul's lightsaber is speaking an alien language to her the whole entire time? Um it's it's mentioned in the subtitles. It says Maul's lightsaber, uh, alien language, and fucking so like there's a couple moments where like it's talking to her and like feeding off of her. And I don't know if I'm assuming it's night sister magic. Like I said to you, like Maul is in bad with that power from them, so it wouldn't shock me to see like him using some of that that night sister magic and like the witchcraft, but to see that like the lightsaber was the thing talking. I was like, is it the kyber crystal like talking to her? That that's kind of how what I presumed when I when I saw that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um, I don't know, but all I know is that that that scene was was really like a masterclass. Um and on another master class, uh Maw, he he is one of the probably the greatest manipulators, and probably isn't is a math has should do a masterclass on manipulation because holy shit, like this guy is is insane.
SPEAKER_00Well, like we were saying, like everything he's saying is the truth. It's just from a certain point of view, is like we always say in Star Wars. Um so it it's it's presented to you to to feel like Devin, essentially, like in the moment. Even in the conversation when um when Ico shows up and and him and Devin are about to square off with him, he gives that speech about like, what are you doing? He's like, he's like, did they teach you to like hide in tunnels and and live like rats? He's like, no, he's like, you bow your power between people who are no like no better than you. You're you're you're you have power, you deserve to be you know, ruling these people, not like subservient to them or not like cowering in the shadows. And you see the moment where like the camera pans to Devin and you get her reaction of like she's staring at Maul, but then she takes in what he says, and she's just like, fuck you're right. So like again, you're seeing as episode by episode goes on, you're seeing like the influence of him on her and her decisions and like where she stands with her master. And I thought it was gonna happen in this episode, but Ico managed to to live. Maul let them both live. Like he he should have had them both, but he didn't. Like, and if you notice, like during the fight, he keeps pushing Devin away. Like he didn't even he didn't even want to fuck with her, he wanted to test Ico and he fucked up Ico. I don't know, like I guess from the kick to the stomach or or whatever, like Eco's like, you know, one thing of the episode. Yeah, so yeah, I'm assuming when the Inquisitors show up next week, um, that Ico's probably gonna die.
SPEAKER_01No, you took the words right out of my mouth, bro. I I I keep saying to myself, the only way that Devin is gonna switch is if Jockey dies. And if he doesn't die, then that's the only thing that's keeping her so close to staying on, not becoming the the uh uh um a Sif. Yeah, so going to the dark side, and that's so that's her her loyalty is to Jockey, and and she has a real emotional attach to him, and that's the only thing that's making her, I feel like, not want to do that. But deep inside, like we said last in the breakdown, she has a tick, and Maul is pushing that shit every every time he gets a chance to, and it's only a matter of time where she's just like, you know what? Put her hands in the air and just embrace the darkness.
SPEAKER_00But see, I I don't even think it's gonna be that, like, just a matter of time. I think it's gonna, it's we're gonna see it as the episodes go on. Like, we've already seen the cracks, and we've already seen her taking these teachings and these things that Maul's saying, and like the influence is is taking a hold of her. And I think what it's gonna come down to is more than likely because as as we end the the second episode this week, um, the Imperial Star Cruiser is pulling in over the city, and everybody in the city gets alerted. Everybody in the city like realizes they're fucked when they see the the Star Cruiser over the top. Um, next week we're definitely getting the Inquisitors, uh, Maroc and the Crow. Uh, they're gonna be the two Inquisitors in this series. We know Maroc later on is just uh uh Night Sister magic when he's working for Morgan Elsbeth in Ahsoka. So I'm assuming Maroc's gonna actually die in this show. Like we're gonna watch Maul, and we we know from like the trailers that Devin and Maul are gonna be fighting the both of them on like a train. So um my guess is Iko's probably gonna get killed by the Inquisitors, and then that's gonna lead to Devin, you know, actually succumbing, and like her rage from her master getting killed is what's gonna tip the scale. And then the fact of now with her master dead and the inquisitors here and the imperial presence on Janics, they're gonna have to leave, they're gonna have to get out of here. So I think it's gonna leave her with no other choice but to go with Maul, and then you know, it's gonna progress. And and I think that's I I like the slow build. I like the fact that like it didn't just happen right away where like they killed her master off in the first couple episodes, and then she automatically just jumped and turned. Um, I'm liking the slower build for Devin's character, and and I love uh Gideon Adlon in this role. Like she is fantastic playing Devin. I relate to Devin. I'm like, I feel I know she's our viewpoint character for the show, but um, you know, you're you're as an audience member, you're listening to the speeches Maul's giving too and the things he's saying, and like we we've been saying on the show. You he's out of line, but he's right. It's just um it's it's really cool to see.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she's going to I feel like the only way she is gonna get to that to that dark side or just kind of like side with Maul is it's just gonna be organically and it's just gonna be just off of just off of just the will of him just continually to just keep talking to her about the stuff that he's saying and whatnot, and it's just it's just it's gonna fall in line. But what I also wanted to say is, you know, yeah, we did talk about I texted you this this morning about two boots and him being a snitch, but I mean, yeah, I guess it is his protocol, but if you're con I feel like he's conscious enough to have to be able to re whatever, if he restarted him or started him up again to be like, oh nope, I gotta call the empire again. So you still are a snitch to me because why why did you still make the choice to do that? Because you you're a conscious robot.
SPEAKER_00He says it to Lawson earlier in the episode, though. He said, old protocol could have been to call the Jedi, they would have sent a Jedi here, and and the Jedi would have dealt with it. And that's not the protocol anymore because the Jedi don't exist, and that's what Lawson tells him. So, like, that's what it is. It's just they're they're droids, that's their programming. They're programmed to do certain things, and like that's the protocol. So like Lawson kept prolonging it for as long as he could. His superior officer even jumped in and tried to prolong it by putting him on desk duty, but immediately once he found out once he found out that like they were going to hunt Maul, his first instinct was like, Alright, now we gotta go call the Empire. And I think part of it stems from not only him following protocol, but the fact that he's worried about Lawson. He doesn't want to see anything happen to Lawson, and like he knows that they're dealing with somebody who's way out of their league. Like, none of them can take Maul. It's it's it's not happening. And now the only people who are capable of maybe taking Maul are about to show up. And I can't wait for next week's episodes because uh for me, uh, those of you guys that follow my YouTube channel, you know the Inquisitors are my favorite. I've made pretty much every single one of them that we haven't gotten in Star Wars Black series. Like, I've made customs of all of them, I have the complete lineup of all of them. They are my favorite characters in Star Wars. Um, I love Rise of the Red Blade, which is a fantastic book. If you want to check it out, all about an Inquisitor named Iskat and her point of view. So for me, anytime I get more Inquisitor stories, more of that background flushed out, I'm here for it. So I'm very excited to see the crow again because we only got to see him for a split second in Tales of the Jedi, where Ahsoka kills him. He's the one that Ahsoka duels um on the plantation and kills him fairly quick. My fan theory, okay? So when you watch Clone Wars, there's the Gathering episodes. Um, I don't know if you remember this off the top of your head, but it's the Ahsoka leading a group of kid Jedi to go get their kyber crystals, and it's like broken up over like three or four episodes. It's a little art called the gathering. Um, there's a kid named Petra in those episodes who is like the main antagonist for those stories, and he's kind of like a little shit kid, he causes a lot of problems, he thinks he's better than like all the other kids that that are on this little trip, but then by the end he ends up like reining himself in. I've had this theory that Petra is the crow. Um because what happens, uh, for those of you guys that don't know, the Inquisitors are former Jedi, they're all former Jedi students and and Padawans that basically when Order 66 happens, Palpatine had like a file saved of all of these Jedi who were disgruntled and basically had issues or or weren't really about the teachings of the Jedi. So Palpatine had all these students scouted in these these you know different Jedi on this list. So when Order 66 takes place, he basically gives all of these students uh a chance. Like basically, you can either join us or you can die. And a few of them join, and then those inquisitors were were basically molded by Vader. Vader cuts off a bunch of their arms, cuts off legs, hands, everything, and like fucks up these kids. So they basically become the inquisitors, and they're the the ones we've seen, you know, throughout the whole entire thing. But my my fan theory is that Petra is the Crow Inquisitor because when he sees Ahsoka later on in and before Ahsoka kills him, he says, like the Padawan, you know, oh, you live. Like like he knows her, like they've had a personal relationship. So I thought I always like reckless speculation. That was always my speculation that like that's who was behind the mask. It's it's Petra. Um Maroc, we don't know who Maroc is either, but we do know uh Clancy Brown will be voicing uh the Crow. He voiced him in Tales, so we're reuniting Savajo the voices of Vajo Press, who was Maul's brother on the Maul show again, which I think is great. Um and AJ Lacasio. Um I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that last name correctly, but he plays Gambit on X-Men 97. He's voicing Maroc. So we're gonna get to see two incredible voice actors, you know, join this cast, which is already great. And and I'm really looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um, I also I also think because it sounded like him, was uh the the the old police officer that you mentioned that was with two boots. Um, I think that's Don Cheeto, if I'm not if I stand corrected, because it sounded just like him. I don't think so. I don't I didn't see him listening. Sounds so much like him.
SPEAKER_00I wish I had to look that up, but I swear it sounded just like sometimes in in these animated shows they emulate characters. Um even one of the droids from like Star Wars Rebels, you would think it's Alan Rickman, but it's not. It's somebody doing like an Alan Rickman impression. So sometimes that that happens on the Star Wars animated show. So like you always have to check the cast list, but it's definitely not Don Cheeto. I I I would think like it would have came out that he was part of this cast.
SPEAKER_01Dude, it sounded just like him. I'm like, whoa, is that Don Cheeto?
SPEAKER_00Like, yeah, and then the two boots thing is is gonna be interesting, especially because like at the end, he's like, I hope you can forgive me, and then you know, everybody's thing beeps off and they're fucked. And like they know it. Yeah, but I really do. I hope Lawson's wife is on that Star Destroyer. I I I would love if she's like a character we already know. Like, for me, so there's a character from the book, uh, Sloane. Um, she's a commander in the Imperial officer, she's she becomes like a very important character after the Battle of Endor. I would love if like somehow, some way we could get Sloan in here, or if it's um if it's the what's her name from Lethal, like an Imperial officer we kind of already know or have seen before. I think that would be a cool, like, oh shit moment, you know, that's her husband, or that's her ex, you know. I don't know. We'll see what happens. But I think it would be a fun like connection to be like, oh shit, that's who that is. That would be that would be crazy.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I also didn't realize that Lawson works for like that same like security department or whatever as like the dude from Andor that was uh Well the the ISB.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the ISB. Um it's basically so he's he's a cop on the planet, but the ISB is the um the organization from the the Imperial side that basically looks into all this. So they're the ones that they had to contact and get in. Sorry, I'm trying to plug my charger in real quick on my computer. Oh, you're good. But uh yeah, they're they're the ones who um who basically like investigate all of the crimes and and deal with all that stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I when I realized I was like, oh great, these these guys is just uh just predictable. But usually a lot would happen to they usually wear the white uniforms.
SPEAKER_00That's that's how like you can dictate ISB from Imperial, because the Imperials wear the gray uh or the black, and then uh ISB wears the white. So yeah, they're they're pretty much like your your beat cops, they they're they're your patrol, they're the people who like gather the information and then they you know go after the targets pretty much.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And also uh just the way how things are going and how Maul is just starting to dominate things, the way how he freaking did the pikes dirty and played the city. Oh, yeah, we could talk about Krim.
SPEAKER_00It was crazy. That whole scene with Crim was awesome. Having Scorn pretend to be him, and and I love like you could tell it was scorn immediately because of the way he was swinging the lightsaber when he was coming off the ship. He was just kind of flamming it like a blunt instrument rather than like with grace like so like you knew it was scorn immediately and then You know, the setup with Vario, you know, make sure you tell him it was me. And Vario like sets up the whole thing, walks in. Who I'm really loving the character, like of him. Like, I hope you know he continues to be part of the series going forward because he has become a lot of fun and the Joe Pesci thing is is really growing on me. But I love the setup of like, you know, and it's similar to uh Last Jedi. Like the way Kylo Ren kills Snoke is when he pulls the saber off the thing, cuts in half. Maul did the same thing, except Maul makes Krim do it to himself. So like Krim's holding the saber in his hand, and Maul basically like spins his whole hand around to make him cut himself in half, which I was just like, once I saw that, I was like, yep, here we fucking go. And I love how he stands.
SPEAKER_01Absolute cinema.
SPEAKER_00He stands over him at the end and then gives him the speech after the fact. Like Krim's already dead, cut in half. And then he's like, just so you know, anybody who wronged me, this is what fucking happens to you. Like, I was sitting here, like, it was five o'clock in the morning. I was watching these episodes, and I'm literally like in my bedroom, like, fuck yeah, like, yes. I just I love that. I was like, that's how you do it, Maul.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he actually does someone something similar when he was versing Devin and uh Master Jockey because like he looks when he looks at um what's her name? When he looks at Devin and he and he's telling her like how he saves her and stuff, he like puts his lifesaber like right in her face and like could have just fucking sliced her head off. But he was like, but then he just like puts it away. I know he wasn't, but I'm just saying, like, he has every opportunity to kill these kill these dumb two and her if she even wanted to, but and he just puts it away just out like out of fear for to make them have fear of of him, and that shit was just great.
SPEAKER_00And that's what makes me believe even more that the inquisitors are gonna be the one to kill him. Because I don't think I think Maul knows, like, if he's the one to hurt uh Iko that Devin's not gonna follow at that point. Devin's just gonna want to kill him. So I think he knows that like that's why he let them both get away, that's why he let let him live, because he knows that you know, if the inquisitors come and the inquisitors do it, then now he can use that to his advantage. And and I love Spybot at the end being like, Oh, we got a problem.
SPEAKER_01He's like, disappear, and throw all the smoke on them. I thought that was little.
SPEAKER_00There's also a really cool moment when Maul um has the tea ceremony with Devin. She's like, You're a murderer, and he's like, We all do what we we gotta do, you know, pretty much. Like, I love that line too. And just Sam Sam's performance on this show is just incredible. Again, I say it every time we talk about this show. I am so happy for him that he gets to have this success. And hopefully this show can just continue because I'm here for it. I I absolutely love it. I cannot wait for next week. The Inquisitor showing up and and hopefully uh, you know, our boy Vader coming before.
SPEAKER_01It's coming the way how things are playing out, it just feels like it's it would be an injustice if that doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_00Well, we did see in the train the one trailer that Marak kneels in front of his hollow and basically tells him, like, we found the shadow, we found Maul. And so it at that point Vader's gonna know that Maul's there. It it's it's only a matter of time, but I'm I'm wondering if they're gonna hold off on that confrontation until Maul makes his play for Palpatine. Because he did tell Rook, like, ultimately, my goal is to forge Devin into a weapon, and then we're going after Sidious. And so I'm wondering like if that's gonna be Maul's mistake. He's not gonna account for Vader, maybe doesn't realize like how powerful Vader is, and then when they go to confront Sidious, is when Vader's like already there, ready to go. And like I can see that scenario too, and and maybe that's like where this the divide happens from Devin and Maul. Because I think at some point there's going to be a split from them. Whether I I hope it's not Devin dying, because I I want to see her character progress and see where she is later on and things. So I hope there's like either some scenario where like they end up getting separated or like a disagreement between the two of them that leads to them being separated rather than like just killing her off and then leaving Ma back to square one again. Right. And like this there's still so much they have to fill in from from solo, and like that's still a few years away from the point that we're in now. So like I hope that this show just can continue on. Um, and I'm not sure like if season by season, I know we have a second season, but yeah, for sure. And it and it's rumored that like three seasons is what they planned for this show originally, that like three was always the goal. But um with these ratings and with these this success and and this many people talking about it and loving it, there's there's no shot that they don't get that third season. Um I'm just wondering, like, all right, now when we do season two, is there gonna be a time jump of like five to ten years? Because we we have like 15 years, I think, to play with in total from like the timeline. So like if they're just planning three seasons, do we take little time jumps to like get us to the next point of the story? Because ultimately we have to see how we ha how he gets stranded on Malicor. Like for when we see him in Rebels. Ideally, that's where I would like this show to to get up to. Like, I would love them to progress this all the way, like literally until the the the time we see him in Rebels. This way we have a complete story of Maul. There's nothing left for us to like fill in the blanks. Maul did though, he fills in a little bit of the blank. Like, so we we found out that at the end of the Clone Wars, Maul came to the pikes and came to Krem. Uh, so so after we saw like him escape the ship with Ahsoka, he went right to the pikes and basically told Krem, like, I need protection, I need a place to lay lay low for a little bit. And that's when Krem tried to kill him, and then that's what sparked all of this. So, like, that was something we didn't know happened and took place, but you know, thanks to Maul filling us in, it it it did. So, like, little stuff like that is fine. I'm fine with like little tidbits if you just want to like catch us up that way. But I would ideally like this show to run all the way until until Star Wars Rebels and and just fill in the whole story, give us Kira, give us the whole scoop of everything, and then go from there. Cause Rebels will take you straight to Solo, right? Well, no, Solo would take place before Star Wars Rebels. So ideally, like season two would be him, like, depending on how the rest of this season goes, he's still got Black Sun to deal with, which is one of the other syndicates. Um, Zizor is the is the leader there, but as far as I know, Zizor was like still loyal to Maul. So he's got them, and then Black Sun, uh Crimson Dawn is the other one that like we we see in solo. Uh Dryden Voss is the one who is the figurehead of them, but ultimately Maul is the one running them. We find out at the end of Solo. That's the the final scene. So at some point we're gonna see him become the syndicate leader there. Amelia Clark's character from Solo eventually has to go be his be his apprentice at some point, because then as we see in the comics, Crimson Empire takes place late years later, like during the original trilogy, and Keir is still alive, enacting Maul's plan. And like Maul dies. So it's not really clear. I think it's a give or take about a year before New Hope, Maul gets killed. Um I always look at the first time we see Obi-Wan Kenobi a little bit differently ever since I watched Twin Sons. Because my headcanon is Kenobi just got done burying Maul when he finds Luke in the desert from the Tuskins. And like, so when he what that's just my headcanon. I know that's not like how it tracks time-wise, but after seeing Twin Sons and seeing how you know he takes care of Maul and then goes to bury Maul and like gives him a resting place. I just always like take that as like, oh, he just buried Maul and now he found Luke in the desert and like hears it all coming together. But I want to say there is like a year time gap before uh Maul dies and then New Hope starts because all that stuff still plays out with Ezra and Thrones. So I want to say that's like at least six months to a year before New Hope that that Maul ends up getting killed. So I know there's a lot of people clamoring for like, can we get him back again in live action? And like I don't know if there's gonna be that opportunity. Like, I don't know if you can bring him back again. I mean, with the Night Sister magic, there's a possibility, I guess, that you could find a way to bring him back. You brought Ventress back, and Venturus had like one of the best deaths in Star Wars, and they still brought her back. So that one for me is still a little like uh I don't know if you maybe should have done that, unless she's another character though that I really do hope we get to see in this show at some point. Because Maul and Ventress really didn't have a lot of interaction in Clone Wars, so to see them both kind of be the last, you know, of Dathomir, it would be cool to see her, you know, pop up in this at some point.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. Yeah, it's a good episode. Um, I really can't wait for next week.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I'm I'm hyped. Um, I know you've been watching Invincible. Uh you want to catch us up and and talk about that.
SPEAKER_01Um, so yeah, Invincible right now has been pretty great. I mean, there's a big discussion going on going around about this year's this year's uh animation to it. I don't really like I'm not one of those people who are on board with that because if you've if based off of what we just saw this last episode, it's something that an invincible Invincible fans have been waiting to see, anyways. Uh he's he right now just finished reversing uh Conquest for the second time, and for whatever reason, Cecil, the guy who's like the government in charge of all these superheroes, decide to you know just put like imagine if McFury put Thanos in a in a normal jail and was like, Oh, we'll just keep him under surveillance, he won't get out. Like, that's not gonna happen. He's breaking out and he's coming to kill the person who put him in, which was invincible. So, um, yeah, they just fought again, and pretty much Mark Invincible ended up killing him to death. Um, choking him to death, I should say. Um, and the gruesome like fatalities that they do in this episode was just fucking mind-blowing. Uh, Conquest gripping out his guts, like like as if he was digging for a charger in a fucking loose draw, like that shit was crazy. Um, and then you know, we get like Oliver always, his brother always trying to come in and like say, like, oh, I'll take care of my brother, I'll save my brother. But he's the first one to always cap somebody's save him. And you know, I guess you you get an A for effort or whatever, but but nah, dude. Like, just just don't even butt in on this. Just stay out of this, like, just stay on the lookout. We don't need your help. I promise you, Oliver. Thank you, but no, thank you.
SPEAKER_00So it's been a decent season so far. Because I'm not I still I tried watching one of the episodes the other day and I turned it off. So I still am not on board with this. I I just can't get into it.
SPEAKER_01No, it's a mate, it's a it's a mate. I I I love it. Um are you watching from the first episode, like season one?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I started, I I put on season one and I like literally turned it off like 20 minutes into it.
SPEAKER_01It could fit it if I can get why you feel like that. I I get like that with shows too, especially when they're so deep into a season and it's like you want to kind of catch up to the parts that everybody else does.
SPEAKER_00My whole thing is my whole thing is like I have no attachment to the character. I never read the comic of it. So No, same. I started with just the shows. It's like I don't I don't really care what happens to this guy one way or another. And I just kind of was like, alright, I'm turning this off. Like I I just couldn't. I wanted to catch up to like try to be able to cover it, but I just yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, I would say you if you give it a second chance, just get up to the part where um he starts to uh feel like he can challenge his dad and him and his dad start going out.
SPEAKER_00And doing that whole story. I've seen clips of that like in the fight and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01Because that buildup to that's to that is what really like solidified the show for me and made me like want to get into it, and then you start learning more about the dad and his background and then the other characters, and it's because it goes into a freaking tornado.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think I think too the fact that it's like a big multiverse thing for me, like I'm done with all that shit. I don't want to, I don't want to see no more like multiverse stuff for a long time after after Doomsday and Secret Wars. Like, I'm good on all of it.
SPEAKER_01Well it's not it's not a multiverse in like in that case, it's more so like it's just like multiple versions of the same character and different timelines and different this and that.
SPEAKER_00Like that's what for me, like once you get into all that, I'm good. Like I'm tapping out. Sorry. I hear you.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, Marvel, for tapping us out in the fucking multiverse stuff.
SPEAKER_00But but how many episodes how many episodes are left now before this like totally wraps up?
SPEAKER_01I think we have I think I think I think I said last time I said there was one more, but I really think this time there's one more. Okay. Because I mean, the way how this has to end, I mean, you're gonna give me another episode after this, like it doesn't make sense, but well, next week you can give us our your thoughts on the finale and and overall what you thought of the the show.
SPEAKER_00Um another thing that that like I watched and you didn't is the boys. Uh yes episodes one and two came out. Uh I think three and four are dropped either today or tomorrow, something like that. Um, but this show was so Carl Urban had said that this season was augast no breaks, like from the first episode, and he did he did not lie whatsoever. Um the there's so many parallels to what's going on currently in the world, and it it's it's it's not funny because when you're watching it, you're literally just like nodding your head along with it, like, yeah, this is what's going on currently, and this is what we're experiencing. And as ridiculous as it appears in the TV show, it's actually happening for real. And I think that's the crazy part. Um, watching this show is like everything in these first two episodes is all stuff that's like currently going on now. And so there's a huge death at the end of episode one. Um, it shocked the living hell out of me. And episode two, they they kind of tease you that there's another huge death, but it turns out that the character is still alive. Um, and yeah, they're developing the virus, they're getting ready to to they're perfecting the virus, testing it on different soups to see if they can kill them and see if they can eventually kill Homelander. But uh yeah, this I have a feeling a lot more people are gonna die. I uh nobody's off limits. All the main characters are like in play for this, so I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be really interesting.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I've watched the the spin-off show of this. Uh Gen V. Yeah, they're Gen V, yeah.
SPEAKER_00They were have been name dropped so far because this this season takes place after the finale of Gen V season two. So Marie and her group of friends are off they're operating as like a starlighter cell right now while this season is currently taking place. So they're involved, but the events have, you know, things have progressed now since then.
SPEAKER_01So like Okay, but are they prominent in the show? Like are the in the show?
SPEAKER_00They they haven't popped up yet, no, because they're they're like I said, this took place after the Gen V finale, so they're not really part of this cast. I don't know if they're gonna I'm I I would hope that they cameo at some point, especially if this is like the finale for the boys. I don't know. There was still no word if Gen V got a season three, so I'm not sure if they're coming back. I I hope they do because I I love the first two seasons of that show. I think it's a lot of fun. And I would like to see more stuff in the boys universe. I know um Diego Luna was talking about doing a boys Mexico show that was supposed to take place and kind of be like narcos mixed with the boys, and I don't I haven't I haven't heard any more noobs on this. So like it would basically just be like South America's version of Vaught and like their extension and and how it took place there because we've seen in like the boys universe that like all their origins come from World War and like the Nazis and all of that stuff. So it would have been interesting to see it like presented from a different country, like a Hispanic culture, and seeing like how they came up or how VOT came to them or whatever the case may be. I I don't know if we're gonna get that. Um, like I said, I've heard nothing else about that show since like a couple years ago, so I'm not sure if it's actually happening. I do know we're getting the Soldier Boy and Storm Force spin off. Yeah. So um Daredevil episodes four and five dropped. Um what are I so we did talk about Vanessa dying and um predicted that she probably would end up getting killed, and lo and behold, that that that episode ends with her on the ground in the boxing ring. And I was just like, here we fucking go. Because now Kingpin's a mad dog off the leech.
SPEAKER_01Right. Uh yeah, now he wants something. Uh and now he exactly, and now he has something that he won he wants, and he's basically has no nobody to tell him what to do with Vanessa being dead. Supposedly.
SPEAKER_00The governor makes that clear. The governor basically says, as long as you're around to reign him in, I'm cool with this. But now she's not around. So I I think the governor's gonna be switching her tune real quick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um, but I also don't think that she's actually she's dead yet. Um, she may just be like on a hospital bed or something like that. She dead. She could recover. I don't know. Like anything can happen. I'm not gonna kill her. She's actually dead.
SPEAKER_00Gotta kill her. I don't know if she's actually dead. It doesn't make sense to keep her around. Like you have to kill her in order to have Kingpin lose her shit and go off, go off the D.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, well, right, he could still lose his shit, but the he she's just not there to really hold him back. Nah, you need you need her dead.
SPEAKER_00And and from what it looked like, she's dead. She was bleeding out from the head, you know, with a piece of glass stuck in the side of her temple. So she's pretty dead, I think. She wasn't moving, her eyes were wide open, like she was pretty much gone.
SPEAKER_01Um, thinking about that too, bullseye in the beginning of this freaking episode was was insane.
SPEAKER_00So is it is it bad that I only care about the show when he's on it? Like otherwise, I could I could care less about this show? Like, that's I want to like this show so much more than than I do, honestly. Like, I I watch it and I'm like, alright, yeah. And I'm watching people like online get so hyped about this show, and I just don't have that same feeling. And and I don't know what it is, what the disconnect is, but for me, like, I'm cool with all the Karen shit. I don't really care when she's on screen. I'm cool with fucking, you know, Matt Murdoch dancing around and playing dress up and being up under you know, pretending to be a cop and doing all like all of that shit just kind of tunes me out. But every time Bullseye comes on screen or every time he's involved in something, I'm immediately tuned back in and like I need to see what he's gonna do. And to me, that's a bad thing when like your villain is overshadowing your the rest of your cast. And and to me, like that's uh my problem with the show.
SPEAKER_01Not necessarily, because like in the same way of the Star Wars Star Wars sense, like people like the Sith more than they do like the Jedi. So I mean, if you like him, or I mean he's a badass villain, and plus what he does, his relationship with him and Bullseye, which that fight was crazy, but there was an even crazier part. Um it is is something that we peep fans love to see and and get excited about. So I mean, you being more excited for him, I mean, just sold your fandom for uh I guess villainish characters.
SPEAKER_00But I don't even I'm not even like a big bullseye fan in the comic books. Like I can take him or leave him in the in a comic book. Uh it's kind of like he's in the comics, he's very one note where it's just like, oh, he's the guy that can't miss, and like that's it. They they flushed out such a great character. The actor that portrays him on this show is so good. There's there's so many aspects of it where like he is the most interesting character on this show to me. Like his storyline is the most interesting, the the redemption arc of him trying to live a normal life, but then Matt comes in, like fucks that up for him. Like, little things like that like are making me more way more interested in him and his storyline than anything else going on in this show. And the the other person I'm really more interested in too is Gandolfini and and his girlfriend. Like that storyline is is the other is like Bullseye's my A storyline and Gandalfini's my B storyline. Otherwise, like whatever else goes on in this show, I don't really care. Like, I'm just like, all right, cool, whatever. Yep. Mm-hmm. Get me the bullseye or get me more of the Gandolfini story, whatever.
SPEAKER_01I think the olive fact too to put into perspective is that we never really got a full-on bullseye like storyline or anything about him in live action, other than like what we've seen from the movie and like what we've seen from the Netflix stuff. So like it's just more to the character that we're seeing on screen to get closer with them and understand them more.
SPEAKER_00They specifically built this version of the character, like in the original Netflix series, we had we had the whole episode that was focused on him as a child all the way till now, and told his whole story of him being a serial killer and all of this shit. Like, that's way more interesting than all of this stupid shit and Karen putting on all these fucking wigs. Like, I don't care, like, just move that along. And then, like, we can talk about it. There's been we know they're all gonna survive this season, they're all gonna be part of season two because Mike Coulter keeps taking pictures and leaking shit online. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Two weeks, like three weeks ago, I listened to this guy on Michael Rosenbaum's podcast, and he was talking about how, like, I don't know if I'm gonna come back and play Liv Cage. I'm getting a little old and da-da-da-da-da. And three weeks later, you're posting spoilers on your Instagram page. Like, Kevin Fike here is coming for you, bro. Like, what are you doing? Like, so skip ahead 20 seconds if you don't want to know, like the spoiler, but he posted a picture. You know, we knew that Iron Fist and Luke Cage were on the set for season three that's filming currently, but he posted a picture with Matt Murdoch in a prison suit. Like, Matt's in the prison jumper. So you theoretically Oh, I didn't see that pigeon. Yeah, there's a picture of him, Jessica Jones, and his arm around Matt Murdoch, and Matt's got an orange prison jumper on, and it's like, oh, coincidentally, the hand is in a prison in Spider-Man. So, do we think it's Matt Murdoch? Like we've kept saying, that's like in Spider-Man, more than likely. Like that kind of is now where you're leading to this. And like, it's just like, man, alright, cool. Like, he's in the gold suit. He's in the gold suit, he's doing all of this stuff, and like it's just I don't know. For for me, it's a little you're doing too much, man. You need to do that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, I I feel you on that. Like, I I I did see the the leak of just him in like Luke Colors and all like suited up and stuff. So my mind basically went straight to okay, are they doing the whole thing with him being the mayor? And you know, he's running the club. Um, yeah. Oh, he's running a club. So like the last the club.
SPEAKER_00That's how Luke Cage ended. He took over his brother's club, and and that that's was the I forget what show it was, but we saw his his nightclub in one of the Echo, I think it was, or maybe it was season one of Daredevil. You do see a front shot of like the club. But so yeah, he's in the gold suit because he's he's running the club.
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SPEAKER_01Well, I was also thinking because I know like in the beginning of Daredevil, um, this the the the new season that came the new episode that came out when they give you the code for like the uh the comic books that are like inspired by this, they they show you um Daredevil Rain Reign, which is like where like I think that's the one where he well this one with Fist is yeah, Devil's Rain. This one with Fist is the mayor, but I also think Luke Hayes is in that as well. And the end of the year.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Luke Luke becomes mayor at the end of that storyline. And and I think he's still currently mayor in New York. Last time I checked, at least for Spider-Man Gang War, he was still mayor. I I don't really know. I don't read a lot of heroes for higher shit, so I I'm not caught up on like everything for them.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, uh this well, I've seen that, so that's what made me put two and two together. I was like, yo, dude, you're bugging. Well, well, like why would you the season's not even over yet? Like, that's generally like two or three.
SPEAKER_00For me, that was the big thing. It's just like, bro, you're literally filming this season right now. Why post these photos? Like people are still watching this. Like, you could have waited, you could have waited until there was like an official announcement from Marvel that you guys are back. Like, it's just, I don't know. It's it's unfortunate. Like, I I get it, but at the same time, it's just like, all right. But for me, again, like, does Luke Cage and Ironfish showing up in season three make me more excited for this show? Not really. Personally, yes. Cool, we're gonna get the defenders.
SPEAKER_01If we take out Iron Fist and we put Luke Cage, I'm cool with that. Or if they I don't know, maybe this version of Iron Fist learned his lesson, and maybe he is gonna be better. But I do really need to bring back Jessica character of Luke Cage. Wait, you bring back who? Oh, well, yeah, yeah. Like we said last time with Misty and all that, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I just again, I really and like the next thing we're gonna talk about is the Punisher one shot. Another thing that like I saw the trailer and just shrugged my shoulders and was like, all right, cool. Like, all right. What? You didn't know. I don't I hate him as Punisher. I'm just gonna put that on the record. Like, why? He's a good good actor in other roles I've seen, but him as Punisher is just Shane from Walking Dead yelling all the time and telling people, I gotta tell you something, Red. I gotta tell you something. The whole entire every time he's on screen. Count how many times he says it. I bet you you drink every time he he says, I gotta tell you something. Like it's just, I don't know, man. I I I don't I I just I that was another thing. Like, literally, I watched the trailer and ever I saw everyone's reaction to the trailer, like, oh my god, da da da da da. And I was just like, All right, like, cool, whatever. Like, you're gonna give him a rating or something.
SPEAKER_01That's the whole thing for me. Like, it just doesn't really badass.
SPEAKER_00It's it's just him having PTSD flashbacks. We're gonna do the same thing that the show already did. Like, we already went through this in his TV series. His TV series was like two seasons of nothing but PTSD shit. And that's basically the whole season of the Punisher show. So, like, we're doing it again now, and they're gonna give us a rated R version because he's gonna be PG 13 for Spider-Man. So, like, I don't know, man. Like, I'm well they have to end it.
SPEAKER_01Well, they say it's the last kill, so we might have the this might be the end of the PTS thing. He might find some peace. Finally, does that make sense? But I see a funny thing of like Yeah, well, of course not, but I mean he looks still like the Bungie in this in the in the trailer for Spider Man. He looks like I mean I don't think he loses it like that, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It's just not for me, it's not a priority. Like I could take it or leave it. Um, I'll watch it when it comes out because we'll cover it on the show. But otherwise, like I'm not excited for it. I'm not like counting down. Like right now, even Mandalorian and Grogu, like I'm I'm gonna watch it. Am I excited for it? Not really. Like this mall show, I'm fucking excited for. I cannot wait every Monday for these episodes to drop to keep watching this show. And I don't feel that way with Daredevil, I don't feel that way with this Punisher version. It's just like, all right, I'm watching it, it's not bad, um, but it's not like it's not hooking me like I want it to. And and I don't know what it is outside of like the things we discussed. But yeah, I I'm cool, I'm cool with the Punisher.
SPEAKER_01No, yeah, no, and two things. Like, I it could be the fact that you know, you know, I like Maw is somebody who I mean is very interesting. Let's just say like that. He he's just even by the way he talks, is even is really it's really interesting. But like we also Frank's story's really not yeah.
SPEAKER_00We know somebody killed my whole family because I was an undercover cop and messed up and ruined another family's drug cartel. So they came and killed my family, and now I kill a bunch of people to justify that. That's Frank.
SPEAKER_01Like But but that's why he what makes him more interesting was what you're right, but and then what that's why they always have to pair him with somebody to make it more interesting. That's the problem. He's just a guy who just is berserk, you know? Yeah, you're exactly right.
SPEAKER_00And like none of the Avengers actually like him. That's the problem. Like in the comics, none of the Avengers get along with him. Even Wolverine and Frank don't really get along. So, like, it's I don't know. Like I said, I I'll watch it when it comes out, we'll we'll discuss it on the show. But am I excited for it? Am I hyped? No, it's just another Marvel project that they're putting out. Like, out of everything on the slate, like I'm not even we're gonna talk about CinemaCon and this Avengers trailer supposedly coming out on Wednesday, but even that, like, this trailer better knock my socks off and get me hyped for this movie because if it doesn't, then like again, I'm in the same boat as I am with Daredevil and all this other stuff. We're like, it's just alright, yeah, cool, whatever. And I've I've heard from early reactions that this is Infinity War level when you see this movie, that all of this shit, all of these people who have already known the script because the script got out, and pretty much the whole plot line for the movie is out there. If you want to research it, you can literally scene by scene find out what happens in the movie. It's already out there, it's been out there. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I I just real quick on Punisher, like I seen I this is actually kind of like a funnier thing about it, but like in this in the trailer, you know how he's like tweaking out and he sees like all like the different verses of him. Um Burnthawn in an interview before was said that like he doesn't take naps. So I thought to myself, uh, in the trailer, the way he's acting, I think he really does need to take a nap because this guy's seeing himself and fucking tweaking out. Like, I think it's time you get some sleep, my guy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I just you know we're gonna beat the PTSD drum again for this whole entire thing, and then hopefully once it's all over, it's over and and we don't have to deal with it anymore. That's that's kind of what I'm hoping. But uh we'll see. We'll we'll see what happens. Again, uh the the Sony panel is going on right now at CinemaCon. They're probably showing off some Spider-Man footage. Maybe I like him better in that atmosphere with having Peter to go off of because maybe it'll be a little bit more lighthearted. But yeah, otherwise, like the the rest of this, I'm just I'm just watching it and giving my critiques.
SPEAKER_01Does it say, like, in general though, Punisher has never I don't know, like people who like the Punisher are uh are just like I'm gonna say something really fucked up. But people who like Punisher are just people that like like the the gun like are into guns and just his badass attitude when I'm gonna be able to get a lot of people. People who have never actually read a comic book. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00People who drive around people who drive around with the with this sticker and logo on their car and truck and never read a book. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You that's the one who say it better than me. That's what I'm saying, though.
SPEAKER_00Like for me, that's that's like, and and I still can't disassociate that from the character. It's like uh those types of people make me sick, so like even them, like I get what Disney's trying to do is is they're trying to reclaim that and show, like, no, you would be the bad guys the punisher is is going after, I essentially. But I don't know. For me, like I said, I I watched the trailer and I just kind of was like, all right, cool, another another Marvel TV thing that they that they keep pushing out here. And you know, maybe it'll be cool. Maybe I'll come back on this show and be like, hey, I really liked it. But I so far, for me, I I like Burn Thal as an actor, I like a lot of other things that he's in. Uh his and hers, you know, we just talked about that a couple weeks ago with with Tessa Thompson that he was in. Like, that was a phenomenal show. He he had a great portrayal in that. But for Punisher for me, I still love the Thomas Jane Punisher. Like, I still think that one was more accurate to to to Frank and the story and and the the humanity that you felt. And like, I don't know. For me, I don't have that connection to this version of the character.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, yeah, he he he he just always pairs better to me with another character. Well, the moment I've seen him in animated Spider-Man was the really like the first time I ever got to know who this character is. Yeah, and ever since then, every time I see him in any iteration, it was always with somebody else, and I was always just like, Oh, that's the Punisher because he was with somebody else. When when it's him uh solo, that's it. I didn't even watch all the fucking Punisher on Netflix, to be honest, because it was just like, why? I like there's Daredevil out at that time, Luke Cage, all that. You just don't they just don't like prove super like why do I need to do anything?
SPEAKER_00Just prove my point of like why I don't care about it.
SPEAKER_01Like essentially, like yeah, but that's but but when he's paired with somebody, it makes it more interesting for me. So that's why I'm like, okay, they put this at the end of Daredevil. This has something to connect with that, maybe and go into Spider-Man.
SPEAKER_00If it does, yeah, we go into Spider-Man. And then that's where we'll we'll go with it all. Um keeping on Marvel, we found out that the writers from Thunderbolts are gonna be rewriting an X-Men script. Apparently, they're going back to the drawing board on the X-Men script because they're trying to nail it. So the Thunderbolts writers, along with the Thunderbolts director, are pairing back up together to do this X-Men movie. Um, from everything I've heard, the plan is to do the OG five. It presents a little bit of a problem because the OG five, there's no diversity in the cast whatsoever. So maybe they make Bobby, you know, race swap Bobby and to add some color to this team. Otherwise, it's five white people, and that is your team. Maybe Professor X is race swapped. Magnet uh, from what I've heard, Sinister is the play for the villain. That's kind of where they want to go. They don't want to do Magneto right off the bat, they don't want to do anything else. Um, the two names that I've heard rumored for casting is our boy Dunk, Peter Caffrey, from uh Knight of the Seven Kingdoms as Beast. That's the the the rumor that they're interested in him for the role of Hank McCoy, which I could see that, especially if he's gonna be human, Hank, to start off, and they're not gonna have him, you know, be with the blue fur. Um he's a big dude. I could I could easily see him playing that. Uh it'd be interesting a contrast because he plays like an idiot on Dunkin' Egg, and here he would have to play like a genius. So I would like to see that diversity from him, and and you know, if he does get the role. And uh Odessa Zion is being eyed as rogue. Uh we did talk about her being rumored for um Wonder Woman, and so it would be interesting to see Marvel come in and like swoop her off from Rogue. And from what I've heard, she would be perfect for Rogue. She would be good. Margaret, Margaret quality quality is still my pick for the character. Like, I think she'd be absolutely perfect to play rogue, but from what I've heard, they want they're gonna do like Rogue being a villain in the first movie because that's how Rogue gets introduced to the X-Men. She's like a villain to start off. Um so if they are going that route, I feel like Odessa would probably be um you know a great choice. And her sister is the one who's who's voicing Devin on Maul Shadow Lord.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, you you did say that last time, but she just looks the character. I mean, from in the interviews and I've heard her talk and stuff, like her personality seems cool, seems like a rogue, yeah. So like I just that just is like a no-brainer to me. It would be awesome.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I like I said, I I'm interested to see how they diversify this cast because if if that's the case, like yeah, they're they're just going with you know the OG5, and uh I I think they're gonna catch a little flack on that, in in my opinion, if if that's the way they're rolling out X-Men. Um time will tell how this all develops. Who uh supposedly, though, we are gonna get the official cast announcement at S SDCC this year. So in June, um that's the plan for the Marvel panel. They're gonna be walking the cast out on stage and announcing X-Men um in front of the audience there. That's supposedly the rumor. I don't know if they're gonna talk about it at CinemaCon at all, if they're gonna hint at anything or or tease anything, but there's always a possibility. But it seems San Diego Comic-Con is like really where they're shooting to to do this for him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean I can't I can't wait for San Diego Comic-Con. That one is they missed, I think, last year's, so them coming back. Oh no, they didn't miss last year's. I think it was the year before that. They've skipped a couple now.
SPEAKER_00They've they've skipped like I think probably.
SPEAKER_01Because last year they were there for Fantastic Four, I think. Or no, that would that was when it came out. They did skip last year, yes. I'm sorry. They skipped last year because that's when the movie came out. It was the year before that that they were there. But you're right, they did skip a couple, and to see them back with something like this is good layup.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm I'm I'm interested to see, you know, what what they end up doing. Um, so Fandango did a list of the top ten most anticipated movies. They pulled uh a bunch of users, they pulled 7,000 users of their website. Fandango deals with a lot of the tickets, and people that are subscribed to them, you know, get their movie deals through that. But um the notable thing off this list is that Mandalorian and Grogu did not make it. So out of the top 10 summer movies, uh, Mandalorian and Grogu is not even in the running for it, which I I thought was very, very telling. Um, like we've been saying for the the past couple weeks now, talking about like the promotion for this movie and how people are receiving it. That's not a good sign when nobody knows it's coming or nobody really cares. The most anticipated movie was Toy Story, uh, the new Toy Story movie. Mortal Kombat made the list. Um The Odyssey made the list. Um I'm I had it in front of me, but I can't find it right now while we're on the show, of course, because that's always how it goes. But uh yeah, I was kind of surprised by a few of them. Insidious made the list, which I didn't even know if there was another Insidious. Scary Movie made the list, which I don't give a shit about scary movie, but apparently people fucking can't wait for this next one. Um which I don't know why. Like the the first batch of them were fucking awful. They're some of the worst movies ever made. And like people are clamoring, yeah, clamoring for fucking scary movie. Like, give me a fucking way. I saw that and I was like, I was like, alright, so that's a bad sign when scary movie is more anticipated than Mandalorian and Grogu. Like, fuck me. Where have we come, Star Wars? Have we fallen this far? Um, so we we talked about it a a couple times on the show. Cinemacon is currently going on uh Monday through Wednesday this week that we're recording. Um tonight is the Sony panel, so as we said, we expect some Spider-Man footage to leak out. Um Zelda is something else Sony has in the panel, which I'm excited to see. Uh live action Zelda that they've been working on now for the past couple years.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm I'm excited to see that as well. Um, not the biggest Zelda fan, but I mean I've played Breath of the Wild and some other games. So Nintendo has been on a run right now with their movies. Like we talk about what I just saw the Galaxy movie, it was okay, but the one before that was great. Um and they're just you know melt doing this whole melting bar of just bringing all the Nintendo properties together, they got the stuff in fucking Universal Studios, so to see a new property come out on on the silver screens should be fun.
SPEAKER_00And uh, we are supposedly gonna get an Avengers Doomsday trailer dropped this week from Cinemacon. The rumor is that Dizzy. So, yeah, for those of you guys that don't know, CinemaCon is a convention that's that's not really open to the public, it's for movie theater owners and entertainment journalists and stuff like that that that cover just cinema. So uh it's out in Las Vegas. It's basically all the studios have a big two-hour presentation that they give, and it it's not like necessarily fans of of the movies, they're trying to basically sell the movie theater owners on, you know, here's what we have coming, this is what you should be excited about, this is what you should be marketing because this is what our slate looks like. Uh, Paramount is the one that basically only has like two movies to promote the the entire thing because their slate of movies is like nothing. So Street Fighter and Sonic the Hedgehog, I think, are the two things for Paramount that they're gonna be promoting. Um, they do have one other movie, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. Disney slate is packed. Uh, Avengers Doomsday, Star Wars, Mandalorian, and Grogu. The rumor is that we're gonna get footage of Starfighter. So we're gonna get our first look at Ryan Gosling's Star Wars movie. Uh, apparently, that trailer will be released to the public if it does come out. Um, so yeah, it's gonna be interesting. To me, out of all of the presenters and studios, Warner Brothers has the biggest slate. They have the most movies coming out over the course of the next year, um, some of the top properties. I'm expecting to see some tidbits on Lord of the Rings and the Hunt for Gollum and uh, you know, all this stuff that they have on their slate. So it Mortal Kombat 2, or the the cast is already there. They were showing uh, you know, promo today that they're all there at CinemaCon. So we're gonna see a lot of celebrities, a lot of talking about movies, which is always great, and get to see a lot more of these trailers. They do screeners for some of the panels, so uh I think tomorrow Godzilla minus one is gonna be or minus zero is gonna be airing for the the public there, and then an official trailer is gonna drop tomorrow too as well for for the public. So we'll get to see that. There's also a new Godzilla and Kong movie coming out from WB, so we'll get the trailer for that as well. So just expect a ton of trailer news and movie news to This week because it's gonna we're gonna be inundated from all of these studios basically releasing their slate, and not everything's gonna be out to the public. Some of the clips will be saved just for the audience that's there, but more than likely you'll see these same clips at Comic Con, you'll see these same clips at uh Disney's Comic-Con that they do. So uh yeah, I I would expect a lot over the next couple of weeks. What are you most hyped for out of all the any of those movies? Um, my most anticipated movie for this year is The Odyssey. Um, that is the movie I I cannot wait to see. I will be there opening night to see that movie. It is one of my favorite books. Um, The Iliad as well. I'm interested to see how he's gonna do this, Christopher Nolan, if he's gonna roll them all into one movie or if he's gonna split them up. Um there's so many characters, so many actors and and top stars in his cast for this movie that like there's no way it can't be good. And and it'd be fun. The one thing I would really love is if somehow some way he could get Brad Pitt back to play Achilles from Troy. Like, I th I I thought that would be a cool, like, a little Easter egg for people. If if you you know, because Brad Pitt plays Achilles in in the Troy movie that happened years, years ago. And Achilles is a part of the story at some point in the Odyssey, so it would be cool to kind of like, hey, remember that Troy movie? Yeah, we we tied it in. Like that would be that would be a fun little thing, but yeah, that is my most anticipated movie of the year. Um, I'm looking forward to Street Fighter, and I'm looking forward to Mortal Kombat 2. I like the first Mortal Kombat movie. Um, Street Fighter, I think, is gonna be fun, even even with the cast and some of the casting that they chose. Um, yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what I'm and I I really want to see Starfighter. I I hope that trailer comes out immediately because I I would like to kind of have a better idea of what this movie is, but from everything we know, that seems to be the Star Wars movie that like Lucasfilm is really pushing, like even this far out, that like a year out they're they're billing that over Mandalorian and Grogu, and like, hey, this is what we got coming. You know what I mean? What about you? What's what's one of the movies that like you're most anticipated or seeing?
SPEAKER_01So for me, I really want to see what they've been doing with um into the spider-verse of stuff. Yeah. Um, I'm hoping we get that trailer um because it's just it's about time. This movie was supposed to have been out already. Two years. So like we need something. I've I've seen images before, and I've seen like demo sketch like videos of like a scene where he's as the prowler and stuff like that, but uh, really just want a full-edge trailer for this and just you know get an idea and hopefully maybe a date. This if I'm crossing my fingers.
SPEAKER_00Well, I I think there is a date locked in for the official release, but I don't think it's I want to say it's not till 2027. That wouldn't I would not be surprised. Because this this movie has been pushed back twice. They basically reach redid this whole final movie from scratch because I think they already had it pretty much done, and then there was a work issue with like some of the the VFX and and people behind the scenes, and then they ended up going back and like reworking this whole movie based off like other things. So I'm not sure if it was this whole studio thing, yeah. And I I know you know this is a Sony thing, this isn't a Marvel thing, so the they're working on this on their own, but Sony is currently undergoing like uh a rebrand of their spider universe where they want to keep making movies for it because they have to in order to keep holding on to the license. So I'm interested to see during this Sony panel if they talk about that and what their plans are. I would love for them to just use Andrew Garfield and have him be your Spider-Man for the Sony Spider-Verse and just move forward that way. And then if you want to introduce Miles Morales at some point, you do that and have to uh have Andrew Garfield pass it off to Miles. I think that would be the right way to do it for Sony if you want it to be successful. But um yeah, I don't see a scenario where like Tom Holland's gonna be popping up in both universes and going back and forth. I I it to me that's just a waste of time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I hear. And then also I'm really happy to see minus uh zero because minus one was what well it was a sleeper for me, to be honest, because I wasn't even really into it. And I was like, you know what, I'll I'll buy a ticket to this and I'll go see it. And when I s what really makes that movie is really watching it in the movie theaters because if you was never around to see the old school Godzilla in black and white and what that phenomenon was for those people back in those days, I think this really reenacted that on another level.
SPEAKER_00I watched this at home and I I liked yeah, like it was it was one of my movies of the year that year. Um and I liked the Monster Verse. I did get caught up on Monarch, by the way. I I watched that the last couple of days, and like I'm all caught up on Monarch now. And uh yeah, I wish they would stop going to the future. Just stay in the past and and keep me with Wyatt Russell and and you know the girl. Every time they jump to the future on that show, I'm like, fuck me. Like, just come on, can we get back to the past stuff? Yeah, but uh I am excited about the monster verse. I do I know Godzilla Minus Zero is not part of the Monsterverse, but it is just cool to have multiple Godzilla and and Monsterverse properties, you know, going around at one time. So a lot of fun. Yeah, I can't wait. Uh quick hits for this week. Uh James Gunn got a little bit of heat and was calling out some reporters about a leak about him casting for Maxima. Now, on this casting list was Jason Moa's girlfriend, uh Bix from Andor. Um, and she's been one of the characters one of the people rumored to play Diana, Wonder Woman, that that like that's who James Gunn was originally eyeing for for Diana. Another one of the actresses on the list also was was in the running for Diana. So I'm wondering if like this whole Maxima casting thing, because like in all honesty, who really gives a fuck who plays Maxima if she's gonna be in this movie? Like, does it really matter who the fuck is playing her? I I don't think so. So I'm wondering if like during this process he's looking at you know, casting his Wonder Woman, and and that's why he kind of bit back at some of the reporting on this whole entire thing. But yeah, I'm I'm I'm interested to see what happens because I I kind of would like to see Adriana take the Wonder Woman role.
SPEAKER_01I I don't think she'd be bad at it, but um I would love to see a Puerto Rican Wonder Woman, yes.
SPEAKER_00I I just she's not she's not tall though, and that I think that's my problem. Like, she's she's very fit, but she's not like a tall woman, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Like, I don't and like her as Maxima, even like I can't do they describe Wonder Woman as being tall like that.
SPEAKER_00Well I know she's like a goddess, right? She's an Amazon, yeah. Yeah, she's supposed to be tall, she's taller than Bruce in the comics most of the time. Like, so I don't know. I I kind of just have a feeling that that like you gotta put the pedal to the metal with this DCU at this point. Like, you need to cast Wonder Woman and you need to cast Batman.
SPEAKER_01I don't believe we don't even have Batman right now. That that shit blows my mind.
SPEAKER_00And and the fact the fact for me, like, I still I'll I'll beat this drum till to death. Like, doing the Batman 2 was a stupid move. Like, I I don't know why you're going back to Robert Pattinson to do Batman 2. I understand the success of Penguin. You want to squeeze out of season two of Penguin, but to me, you should have rolled Penguin into the DCU and just got a new Batman and called it a fucking day. Because this whole going to Robert Pattinson what eight years later or seven years later after the fucking first one came out, like we're a long way removed from that movie. And now we're gonna come back to Robert Pattinson, people are gonna see this and think he's Batman that's gonna go with your Superman, and then you're gonna be like, oh no, we have a whole nother Batman. And it just for casual people, I think you're gonna fucking lose people right off the bat. And like we talked about it last week with the Supergirl trailer, like you you're you're not doing yourself any favors. And and for me, I would personally I love James Gunn. I I think he does fantastic work, but for me, I think you need to stop putting yourself in the f in the front of everything. I think you need to take a step back, let people speculate all the fuck they want. What does it matter to you at this point? Like, go make the movie, go make a good fucking movie. You made a great Superman movie, go make us a better second one and start introducing some characters and start bringing in the heavy hitters because the longer you draw this out, the longer with the Paramount merger incoming, no one knows if you're staying or not. No one knows if if this whole thing is gonna implode before it even takes off. And and I think all of these factors are starting to make people the same way they felt about Snyder's universe. You know what I mean? Like, I can only see James Gunn so much putting himself front and center for all of these DCU projects, even like ones he has nothing to do with. Like Supergirl, he he didn't direct, he didn't write it. But all I see is him talking about the movie. I don't see the director of the movie, I don't see Millie Alcock out here talking about you know what I mean. Like, and for me, for me, it's just like alright, Kevin Feige's not doing that shit. He lets the the staff that's part of the movie talk about the movie. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Well, you see, he sees the what the success it took from what was Superman, so he's just trying to re recopy and paste uh an a situation onto this, which I I I guess I get, but it's like it you you're not making it any better with this one. Like we you if you're not a part of this, then you should let the people that are a part of it shine. Um the thing about the Batman stuff though, like I feel like they should have just rolled him into DCU. I I don't know why that was never a thing. I mean, I know that he he's um a part of his own universe. I would prefer a different Batman.
SPEAKER_00I don't want Pattinson as the Batman for DCU.
SPEAKER_01Like, I only say it works because they both they both are two young actors and it would kind of fit that way as far as like this for the movie for a movie.
SPEAKER_00Unpopular opinion, I don't really like that Batman movie.
SPEAKER_01I don't I know uh I I I mean it was it was good. Um it's okay. I like it. It's not it's not I like it. It's not the best Batman. But I haven't had more for forever.
SPEAKER_00So it's cool that Reeves did his thing on it and weaved this whole thing and and put this whole like you you know, his his stamp on Batman and like the way he portrayed it, the way he did it, cool, but like I didn't I I I wasn't clamoring for a second one. I wasn't clamoring for any more of this. Like, you should have just cast this aside, introduce your DCU Batman, and get us rolling on this. Like, it's been too long already. Like Batman and Superman should have been the front and center of this and Wonder Woman again. Like, I get you don't want to repeat the same beats as Zack Snyder, but like the Peacemaker finale didn't go over well. You're you still have that whole storyline that's hanging out there. Will that get resolved in Man of Tomorrow? We don't know. Um, we know Aaron Pierre Paul is gonna be is gonna be coming in to to play John Stor, and he's gonna be part of the cast for the movie. It's it's time. Roll out a Wonder Woman, roll out a Batman, and roll out a fly. You know, like let's get the Justice League together and let's get rolling.
SPEAKER_01Um hopefully we see something for SC uh for San Diego Comic-Con. That would be nice.
SPEAKER_00I I honestly think the only thing they're gonna be promoting is Supergirl because that's all they have. They have that in Clayface. There's a possibility we could get some some trailer footage for Clayface that comes out from Cinemacon or from Comic-Con. But um, it's written by Mike Flanagan, which is is phenomenal. It's gonna be shot and done like a horror movie. But again, does is Clayface like your big lead of the universe? Is he bringing you know things together? Probably not. It's a cool like one-off to do, but I don't know, man. I I I I'm still very skeptical about this whole thing. I'm still very skeptical about the fact that like this is even gonna continue past next year. Like, I I Man of Tomorrow could be his last movie for DC, and then that could be it. And like now we're back to square one all over again with a whole new owner. So I I I still am very skeptical about all that going forward.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we're just gonna have to see where where we go with this and what happens. Um I I've always I've I only the one thing I'll say about the Reeve stuff is that I think he did a great job just depicting Gotham because Yeah, that was cool. Cinematically, it was great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, him putting his touch on things was cool. It's just like is is that a Batman movie I go back and rewatch? No, I I told do not.
SPEAKER_01I just when you guys fucking this guy, uh um my god, we just said his name. We got Nolan um Christopher Nolan doing the bat doing a battery movie, and you compare it to a Matt Reeves movie.
SPEAKER_00It's like night and days. I'd I'd watch those, I watch the animated series, I'll go back and watch the old Michael Keaton, the Val Kim. Like, I'll go back and watch those before I go watch that Matt Reeves Batman again. Like, and I could maybe count on one hand how many times I've watched that movie, and it's just like, all right, cool. I saw it. It's it's the same thing with the Ben Affleck Batman vs. Superman. I watched it once and I'll never watch it again. Like, I have no need to. It it just is what it is. Like, I saw Ben Affleck's portrayal of Batman and I'm good. And I saw Robert Patton's portrayal of Batman and I'm good. I if they were to me, the more money thing at the time would have been to tie Joaquin Phoenix's Joker into Robert Pattinson because the story was already set up in Joker, like of him potentially being Bruce's half-brother, and okay, if that's your new approach, you wanted to go with the Batman universe, I would have been here for that. But then you introduce Barry Keegan or Kogan as like this fucked up version of Joker who like I have no interest in seeing. Um I'm just yeah, like cool. Sebastian Stan and Scarlett Johansson are part of this cast. It it it's probably gonna be a cool story, but like, is is this the Batman I want to see going forward? Absolutely not. I want to see actual Batman, I want to see somebody who we know is gonna play the role for the next 10 years. And that's what I was gonna say, and that's that. Like, and actually do legitimate Batman stories, like, don't just mix mesh random shit that you like and you don't like and like create your own like patchwork Batman. I'd rather go do the Damien story, go show the Robins are already established, like shit like that. I I don't know. Um, we do know that Andy's Andy Circus is confirmed to return as Alfred. I don't think that was a surprise, but he is coming back and gonna do that uh before Lord of the Rings or during Lord of the Rings. I'm still not sure how that's gonna work because I still don't even think the Batman started fucking shooting yet. And this movie, like again, another movie that's been delayed after delay after delay. That like I I don't think we're supposed to get the Batman until what 27, the end of 27.
SPEAKER_01So no, that that shit did piss that was something that was disappointing to me. Of like when people will talk about it, he's like, I'm not done writing it. Like, yeah, it took him forever to write the script. We gave you how long to write this movie, like get you forgot about it yourself.
SPEAKER_00Don't lie, you forgot about the movie. I I don't think it was that though. I think it was the fact of the uncertainty of like they thought Robert Pattinson was one and done, and they weren't gonna they were gonna move forward. And James Gunn even announced, like, hey, you know, we're moving forward with our own brave and the bold Batman, and and then plans changed because Penguin did so well. That's that's the only reason we're getting this second Pattinson movie, is because they want to shoot season two of Penguin. That's it. Penguin did did unexpected, they dropped that whole thing, not thinking anybody was gonna give a shit, and then Colin Farrow and um the other lady from how you How I Met Your Mother, Kristen, whatever, delivered two top-tier performances that like everyone was hooked. And like I still think the better option would have been to take that, pair that with the new DCU, and put them in in whatever thing you're gonna do with Batman and go from there, not not do another Pattenton movie. But um, speaking about Batman, the absolute robins were revealed for Scott Snyder for the uh the new absolute universe. Um, from what I've heard is that the Robins are Joker's henchmen, but the the Robins are different this time because a bunch of them are in mech suits. So they're they're basically giant mech suits, and Jason seems to be the leader of the team, uh, carrying a gun and and marching front and center in the in the panel. So as much as I I love Jason, I I'm not a fan of like a storyline that involves him being raised by Joker, if that's where we're going with this. I I I so as much as I like Absolute Batman, I feel like some of these designs and some of the stuff that they're doing in this book, like I think because it is an Else World's thing, it's fine to like read and enjoy and not care about what they're doing because it's yeah, they're creating their own thing and like this is a separate thing than the regular. But if this was like a regular Batman book and they were doing some of the crazy shit that they're doing in this, I would probably be like, What the fuck is going on in this book? Because I find myself asking that sometimes reading the absolute book of like, what the fuck is this design? Like, holy shit, like what what are we even looking at? Like, and it's part of that dragata's art style. Like, I like the book, don't get me wrong. It's just yeah, some of the shit's just so over the top that like I have to wrap my head around it because I'm so used to like Batman being like this, and they're doing something totally different. So, like, do I like the idea of like the Robins being mech suits? Not really. Um but I'll read it and see like how you know what he's got planned for it, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, like they have to do something that will compete against what Batman's like the absolute Batman's like obstruction he is, especially with him being, you know, such a six-foot tall man, like or like somewhat has super strength. Like you you gotta you gotta if if you're a Robin, you gotta you gotta match that web up with him.
SPEAKER_00So like um But they're not even gonna be like aligned with him, they're gonna be against him.
SPEAKER_01I know against and then there's that there's that factor. So yeah, it's it's different. It's these absolute batmans, I think, are supposed to be supposed to go against the grain in every sense. Um so like I'm cool, I'm cool with it. I want to see their take on it, especially now you say Jason is being raised by Joker.
SPEAKER_00Um that's what it seems like, because it seems like these are like Jokers. These these are because like in the book we've been seeing, so he put together Harley and her street crew of the clowns, and basically they're gonna be joke Batman's henchmen is is Harley's gang. Um he's lining up with Gordon and the police and working with Barbara and like assembling his little squad that he's like starting to assemble. Um he he helped Whalen. He you know, we saw at the end of the a couple issues ago, Whalen did take the serum and he is like returned back to his human form. He's just jacked now. Um so I'm I'm interested. I I'm guessing like this is all ramping up to take on Joker at some point because that's basically what uh even the Court of Owls, his mom like was taken out by Joker, like the court was basically disassembled by Joker. So you have all these organizations coming to Batman's aid to basically take on Joker, who's this big giant beast and can transform back and forth and rules basically everything. He's the richest man in the world. So having this this you know uh a different viewpoint of like the Robins being raised by Joker is is different. You know, it's just it's crazy. Especially seeing them in the mech suits, it's just like holy shit, okay. This is where we're going with it. Like, strap in, because it's it's probably gonna be a wild ride.
SPEAKER_01And and and the stuff that we've seen of the lakes of um of Deathstroke and and the penguin too.
SPEAKER_00Those that was really I think Deathstroke debuts in this in this next issue, and then we have Absolute Scarecrow coming in too. Um, and he looks crazy. He looks like Dwight Schroot from the office, like with his mouth sewn shut. So pretty crazy. Yeah, um so yeah, it should be interesting. Um there is a uh another favorite book of mine growing up was Lord of the Flies. Um they did show that they're doing a live action Netflix version of Lord of the Flies, and the trailer looks fucking awesome. Uh so Lord of the Flies is like a prep school plane that crashes on an island, and basically you watches these these kids um the dissection of Of society and human uh thought process basically is dissected throughout the Lord of the Flies, and you watch how like this tribal mentality can overtake you when you're in a scenario where like there's no more rules, and I think that's like the most beautiful thing about Lord of the Flies. It's what I've always enjoyed about it. So to get to see this live action version, I'm very excited. I I want to say there was like a live action movie that they did years ago that's like just like the outsiders movie that they did years ago, but um this one looks a lot more legit. Like the the kids are they cast like fit the roles pretty well, and uh yeah, it looks looks pretty badass. So I'm really excited about that.
SPEAKER_01I gotta check that out. That looks sounds good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it should be really cool. I forgot I think it debuts next month or at the end of this month. Um I was trying to find the trailer to send it to you, but I I could not find it again once I watched it. So I was like, oh, I don't, I don't, I didn't save it. So good.
SPEAKER_01I'll find it.
SPEAKER_00Um, some some quick toy news is um so a year and a half ago, probably at Comic-Con, uh Hasbro had shown off the Tron Airy stuff that they had planned, and they had planned on a six-inch line of figures that were coming out, and they've been kind of in limbo. Nobody knew whether they were coming out, what was happening with them, and it was revealed this past week that basically because of the low interest in the Haslab that they did last year, these Tron Ares figures are being or these Tron figures are being packaged as a four-pack for $140. Um, so four figures for $140, and that's the only way you can buy it. If you want the light cycle, it's a hundred dollars with a figure. So they really jacked up the price on these and and kind of like held them back rather than making it a wave for people to buy. And and I kind of feel like they really did a disservice by by doing it this way. Oh, yeah. Because there are people who are interested in like the Jeff Bridges figure, like everybody loves you know, the dude. So like just some people might just want to pick him up, some people just might want to pick the kid up from Tron Legacy, and like now you either have to buy the the whole set of all four of them in one shot, or you don't get them at all. So I I thought it was an interesting move. Um crazy. Yeah, and it it it you know it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way who like really were interested in the Tron stuff. Um, I'm not a Tron guy, I've never watched the movie, so I'm not familiar with like the concept of it. I'm familiar with the concept, I should say, but I've never watched them. People tell me all the time I watched them, but it just doesn't seem like something I'd be remotely interested in. So I just I've avoided it altogether.
SPEAKER_01I did I did watch this last one, Aries, and I did watch um Legacy. Legacy is my real introduction to Trump. Okay. Um but Aries was it Aries was more decent than what the reviews and what people were saying about it was in the beginning. Um but it was definitely worth watching it streaming. Then uh if I would have paid, I probably would have had a different opinion, but seeing it streamed was the way to go.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I've never watched them. I've been told to watch like all three of them, and like I know the premise and like what they're about. I just not not really my thing. I've I did the ride in Disney, and that was enough. I was about to say they have that out there.
SPEAKER_01I haven't got got to it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So uh what do you got for comics of the week this week?
SPEAKER_01Uh so it was a late week. Um, so I ended up actually going back and like re-re-upping on some stuff that I missed from the previous week. So that was with uh Batman and Static. I think that was issue number four. I got that one back. And then I also um I know you hate this movie, but I I fucking had to get it because I just love to know lore and things of that nature. But a while back they had came with like uh Fantastic Four, like of the MCU um, like one-off comic, yeah, first steps comic. Um and I read it as I'm as I'm looking through it, I'm noticing they're showing the events of when they land fact from space. I'm like, oh damn. I I don't know. I I want to know what this is because this is like this is uh canon. So I I picked that up. Um and then um that one I had some turtle stuff that I had picked up too, and I uh that was that was pretty much everything. Um oh, and then I think that was when we had the mall. So yeah, I had Darth Darth Maul um uh issue two at that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we talked about it on the um on the breakdown of Maul Shadow Lord, but here's issue two. It really fleshes out the lost and backstory a little bit more. It also shows you more into Demon Thario and them, you know, being on the planet. So um it's kind of stalling, it's just a lot of back information, pretty much. There's not much to this book, but it it does kind of fill you in on some of the the goings-on on Janix and gives you a little bit more about Lawson's character. Um Uncanny X-Men. It it was a little bit of a bait and switch with this. So the the solicits kind of showed Cannonball on the front here. Um, it looks like Cannonball in the new mutants gear on the front here. Um, I thought the possibility might be Doug based on like what happened at the end of Age of Revelation and what had happened in the other X-Men book that maybe Doug was gonna come to this team of X-Men and try to talk to them instead of Scott. But instead, what they did was they made the Outliers um the new new mutants. So they they debut in the classic costumes here. I don't know if this is gonna be like a canon thing and they're gonna be the new mutant team going forward, or if this is just part of the story, but that was like the takeaway from this issue. I I've talked about it numerous times with the Xbox. Um they did just announce a new crossover with Fantastic Four and X-Men, and I'm tempted to drop the X-Men books before that crossover even starts. Like, I have zero interest in that crossover. Um it's just more stuff with this mutant virus thing, and we're just I did see the new Oh go ahead. We're just prolonging the the inevitable of the the X-Men getting rebooted again in time for the MCU movie to come out. So just kind of hold your breath on the X-Men line. That's basically what they're doing with it.
SPEAKER_01I did see that they have the new mutants comic that just came out. And it I mean, by the cover, it looked interesting. Like I said, I after the revelation stuff, I I personally adopt them, but that new mutant stuff seemed a little bit interesting.
SPEAKER_00Are you talking about are you talking about Laura Kinney and and her book? Because there's there's not a new mutants book going on currently. It's just Laura, Laura's book.
SPEAKER_01I might be then. Generation text or whatever. Yeah, it just said new mutants, and it was a bunch of different characters that I've never seen before, but the but the art is what really caught me.
SPEAKER_00It might have just been a variant cover for this then, because this is the only new mutants lineup that we've gotten in in years. Um Danny's book has like the new mutants in it, but it's not really like I don't count any of those solo books because they're they're just in their own fucking thing, and and this new crossover kind of leads me to believe like that's all they're doing. They're just gonna keep prolonging it.
SPEAKER_01Um Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters, New Mutants, and then on the front they have like this dude with like a black mask on and yeah, so that's this book. It's literally this book.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's the same shot that I just showed you. This exact shot. Right here. Yeah, that's the one. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a little blurry right now, but yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00Um, and then my last one was Green Lanterns. Um, I picked up corpse. I'm not really reading corpse. I dip in and out of this book depending on like what's going on or what I hear is going on. But Atrocitus popped up, and I always love seeing the Red Lantern, so I picked this up. Uh and it was decent. Uh I was looking for it. Weird stuff going on, McGuy Gardner. Um and as we as we left off with um with Green Lantern, Kyle is now the Green Lantern of Earth. Hal is off doing uh a different type of mission. So I really stay with like the main Green Lantern book. I don't really dip into corpse too much, like I said, unless I know something is is happening or there's some cameos, and I I always am here for the red lanterns and atrocities. So uh yeah, it was cool. I really can't I want to get into that, but we'll see if I can if they have it one Wednesday. So uh do you have anything that you're watching this week?
SPEAKER_01Um, so obviously there's the the the the main things that we we've be talking about this whole podcast. Um and then besides that, um I'm I'm finishing, I just finished shrinking, which was been really a good ride. Um, like I said last time, this show is like I don't know, I I think I at least relate to it every other every episode, or I laugh and I cry every episode. Uh if it's just it's just an overall really great show. I would advise anybody, everybody to watch it. Um, it's it's good. It's it's good, it's good. It's it's lighthearted, I think. Freaking Harrison Ford is he gets to be him himself. Like uh we know him from some of these many, like you know, being Indiana Jones, Tom Solo. Like, it's the first time I ever see him just be like Harrison Ford. Like it's it's in a screen, it's just great. Um, and then other than that, I mean I I have a lot of catching up to do. I I haven't catched up to DTF. I mean, yeah, D DTF. I haven't caught up on Rooster.
SPEAKER_00Uh this week was the finale of DTF.
SPEAKER_01Okay, cool. So then perfect. Now I'm convinced.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. They um they so we find out who who was responsible for what happened to Floyd.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00Um it let's just say it was not a suspect that was suspected up until the finale.
SPEAKER_01So So would you was it a good was was that like surprising or how'd you feel about that?
SPEAKER_00Um I have I think I have to re-watch it again because there were bits that like I was tuning out and it I watched it like late last night. So um I think I need to like re-watch the episode just to kind of see how I feel about the overall series. I I did like the overall series, it got weirder and weirder as the show went on. Um that's how I felt when I got to the episode too. Overall, it it wasn't horrible. Um the the the ending was like uh oh shit, okay. Um so I didn't see that coming. I didn't expect that at all. So it was it was it was it was decent. Rooster, I have to watch the the latest episode. I didn't get a chance to watch the new episode. Um I did like I said earlier, I did get caught up on Monarch. Um Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm liking catch up on that.
SPEAKER_00I like all of the past stuff. Everything with Wyatt Russell, everything with the actress playing the the mother or the grandmother. Um and and John Goodman's character, Young. I love all of that stuff. I love seeing the origins of Monarch. I like seeing whatever kind of shit they get into while they're they're on these missions, like investigating stuff. But every time the show jumps to the future cast, I immediately am like, oh fuck. Like, here we go again. Like, we gotta listen to her. The little girl makes that show so annoying, right? And like she's such a phenomenal actress. That's the problem for me, is like she's a phenomenal actress. She just killed it in Shogun, like, and she's gonna play Yoko Ono in the Beatles movie. Like, she's a phenomenal actress, but for whatever reason, whatever like I don't like any of the current day cast. Like, I don't like one single character. Her brother, her, the the girlfriend, not a girlfriend, hacker girl, like any of that shit. I like the apex stuff because they're they're cluing this into what eventually happens in the second Godzilla movie where like Apex develops the cybernetics and and creates this artificial Titan. So like we're seeing like the groundwork for all of that, but man, that every time they jump to the future, I'm just like, fuck me. Like, I I'd rather stay back in the past and just continue to to flush those stories out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I feel like that's the sentiments when most people when I when I hear about their their regards about the show, they almost everybody says the same thing.
SPEAKER_00And then the other thing that I did watch um was the new Chris Pratt movie that's on Amazon. The uh the one with him and the lady who plays Paul's mom on Dune. Um Mercy, it's called. It's the artificial intelligence like Judge.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, that that yeah, that that was in the it was in the movies.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I heard about it it was it was decent. It wasn't it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be like a rip-off of minority report, but it ended up actually being okay. Um, I'm not the biggest fan of Chris Pratt. Um so but yeah, it it was it was okay. It was an okay movie.
SPEAKER_01I I think I gave it like a star and a half on Letterboxd, but I think I think on the Joe Joe Bonin podcast, he he spoke about that once and when he went to see it and he just said it was just like well, what you said it felt like on Marnie, and when he's seen like all the shit that he was getting into, he's a oh they're on bullshit. He just left. So yeah, yeah, it was aggressive views for it, but I mean he said it was decent.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was a good watch. Like, if you if you have nothing else to watch, throw it on and just and just give it a watch. Um, but yeah, it's not like Blockbuster must go see. Um yeah, otherwise.
SPEAKER_01That was one of the movies they were trying to promote for NYC Come Come when I went and listened to it.
SPEAKER_00They were they were promoting at art and then it then it I don't think it did well at the box office, like for good reason because the trailers all made it seem like a ripoff of minority report. But what it actually is is like the justice system being corrupt, so they create this AI judge basically, and you have like an hour and a half or two hours to plead your case. And like they can scan people's phones, they can read emails, they can obtain evidence that like normal people couldn't obtain for their trial. And like you basically, you know, once once the clock runs down, you get a guilty or innocent verdict and go on from there. And like the chair that they're in, like literally gives them the lethal injection right at the chair. So like it's it's a it ended up it's a it seemed like it was an anti-AI movie to start, but then it ends up becoming like a pro AI movie, and it was a very weird message. So, like, that's why I say like it wasn't great. It it's worth a watch if you want something to watch, but like it wasn't the greatest movie overall.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but we need we need movies like that to make the great movies great, so you know, it just helps to the melt for the melting pot. Yeah, I I yeah.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Like I said, I I'm not the biggest um Chris Pratt fan. No, he just he doesn't. Yeah, I I love Rebecca Ferguson though, so I think that's why I ended up watching it. Like I for for whatever reason, I guess I'm I'm somewhat attracted to her, even though she for some reason. Yeah, because like I I don't know. Even in Dune, like I found myself like, oh yeah, like she I'm I'm glued to her. And in this movie, it was the same. Like she she carried the movie for me, and she's the AI like judge. And it's just like, alright, I can watch her and like I'm cool with that, but then every time Chris Pratt like would jump in and be like, go back to her. Like, rather rather watch the whole judge movie without Chris Pratt, like and and his beliefs. But uh, yeah, that'll do it for this episode of Talkin' Supes. Thank you guys so much for taking time to check it out. Please make sure to like, comment, and subscribe, and subscribe. Leave us a review on iTunes, leave us a review on Spotify. It goes a long way in helping getting more people to see this show. And and you know, if you enjoy this show, please share it with your friends. Uh word of mouth is is just as great. Um, like we said, we've been watching the audio podcast numbers climb every week, but we want to see that same growth on the YouTube channel and the video too. Um and please give us things you want us to talk about, give us ideas for different things you want to hear on the show, and we can always implement it. Um, if you enjoyed our breakdown of one uh episode one and two of them all, maybe there'll be more breakdowns like that where we just focus on one topic rather than you know spending two hours talking about a bunch of random stuff. Maybe we can kind of subjugate it to to be more specific to one topic if that's something you're interested in. But let us know so we're aware of it and we can, you know, adjust properly. But uh thank you guys so much for tuning in. We'll see you next week.