Ep 16| The Hot Tub Time Machine

In this Ep we get into one the most important Star Wars Episode to date, We also get into an Update on the WB Deal and it’s struggles & so Much More! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talkin' Supes. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sin. And I'm Andy. What's going on? What's going on? Welcome back to another episode. I know last week was action-packed with all of the Cinemacon footage, and we got a lot of new views and a lot of new subscribers. So welcome everybody to the channel and thank you so much for taking time to check us out. If you don't know, we are a comic movie and television podcast. We talk about all things going on, rumors, news, and everything in between. And uh this week we got a lot to talk about, especially Maul Shadow Lord. Um we have the brand new episodes. Uh what was this? Seven and eight, right? Yeah. And then seven and eight, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

So today with everybody that saw the episodes before everybody saw this is the next one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Everything that got sent out. Uh nobody's seen the final two episodes. So I just what first off, before I sit here and like gush over this show for a good amount of time, what were your thoughts about these these two episodes?

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Um, I definitely loved the the second one more. Um I I've I found that you know going through Maw's past and the things that he like seeing getting that flashback moment of all the things that made him who he is, those moments, and they really delved into that in the in the episode uh eight. Um, and I really enjoyed that a lot. Um, yeah, there's some things about this like physical things that happened in the show that made me like be like, okay, the how is this happening? Like, I don't understand how Maul like this guy can like is invincible, like no pun intended.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Like he's not but you saw you saw his weakness in the show. They took full advantage of his weakness in the show. That's like character building. They they they found a way to still make him have struggles against the Inquisitors, like yeah, that that part exactly. It was a call call back to the earlier part of the season, like where the leg the leg gave him issues from Dockie, and then now we came back to it full circle. Like those repairs didn't hold up, and then then the crow took a stab at it and fucking cut cut the upper part. So, like the struggles of that.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

And he was out, like he you could tell that he he really was not like trying to fight the crow and the inquisitor whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

And well, it was just it was he he was taking them on fine until the leg gave out. That was kind of the the whole thing. Like he was holding his own, he was able to keep up with it. Um, but once the leg started giving him trouble, like it was a callback to an early like this is what I love about this show. They've set up plot points and they've set up things that we're now going back to. Like this happened in episode what three that the or two that that you know Dockie initially injured Maul's, or no, episode three and four it happened when they when they had their duel. Um you know, that little kick to the knee now carried over to this and played such a role in this whole entire thing, and and Maul had to not only see the visions of like the things that he encountered, but had to use that rage to keep going, or else like he would have died and and just like gave up. And that's like that was the beauty of these episodes, like the the trauma and the experience and and the through line between what he experienced and the things we saw in episode eight to where he ends up and on Tatooine when he dies. Like these things and these these memories and and the way he feels about his revenge is what he carries all the way until the day he dies. And like his last words to Obi-Wan Kenobi are you know, avenge us. And Kenobi tells him we will. And like the way they set this up in this show, and the way they've they cycled through those different things, and Maul having to encounter the version of his his child self.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Yeah, that part was very great.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

The the person who he views as weak and misguided because here's this kid that got taken from his family and his mother and his brother and got sent to Sidious and then got tortured for his whole entire life. Like, we watched that and all those little flashbacks.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

And then not only that when he was screaming out like, This is your fault, Sidious, this is your fault.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I was like, wow, like I feel like it goes even it goes even further when you get later in that episode when he when he actually like at first when he sees the reflection of him younger self, he says, I hate you in the in the reflection. And like when he said it, you can feel the turmoil inside of him of of you know this this child that he wanted to protect at the time and now can't. But deep inside of him, there's still this wounded child that never got to grow up and never got to experience like life. You know what I mean? Like this show the way they were able to show that in a 10-minute scene or or eight-minute scene, however long that that sequence was, like, that is absolutely beautiful storytelling. The the the trauma is shown on screen, and you literally see it with with Savage, you see it when he's training with with Sidious, and Sidious hits him with the lightning. Like it's it's beautiful. It really is how deep this show is when you're looking at it from that context and like that framing.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Something that like kind of took me by surprise and went left is when um I think his name is Kareeb, but the other um Mandalorian who like he was like I didn't even I didn't even remember his name, but he takes off and he he splits. But Maul was already like, yeah, we're gonna have to get rid of this guy. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

They knew it early on, and like and and like Rook tells him, like, I'm loyal to you, you have this the darksaber. So like technically you're Mandalores though, and that's what it is. And like some of these other lieutenants she says are more loyal to the credits than they are to the darksaber. So you're gonna have to either pay them or they're gonna fucking start rebelling, and that's you know, and we basically watches it happen.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

And we get her finally kind of like talking about her how she kind of feels about her and him and and and Devin's relationship too. I thought that was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah, she finally she finally confronted it and brought it up, which is important because like you and me had speculated about that, you know, a uh a couple weeks ago, basically. Yeah, about like how does she feel about this? What is she thinking about all this? Is this affecting her to any extent? And we saw that obviously it is.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Yeah, she she she told him like it it's cool, like you can feel that way too, but but also basically like that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna not like like your decisions on that on what you what you do with them either. So like if I leave, I leave. Or that's kind of like the gist of how I I took it, especially in the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

I think eventually she's gonna. Yeah, I think eventually she's gonna. Because like we don't see Rook around. Well, no, it's not even that. I just think eventually, like you know, at as they set up at the end of this, they set up the Crimson Dawn angle. So now we're gonna see him align with Draden Voss and from Solo, and we're gonna get that story probably in season two. Um so I could very easily see a scenario where the Mandalorians, you know, they're not necessarily needed anymore because now Maul's got a whole nother syndicate, and and that's kind of the falling out between him and Rook eventually. I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

In the show, when they go inside um Deberes' uh office, I think that's his name, um Varros, the little the little guy, he he said something about Demas. Yeah, he he said something about the pikes. I I I remember it, but it just over me.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

Maul asks him, was that the pikes on the phone? And he says, No, it was somebody from Crimson Dawn, and Dradden Voss wants an audience with you. So Dradden Voss is the guy from Solo. Um he's the villain in the solo movie, and he's the leader of Crimson Dawn. But then when you get to the end of the solo movie, you see the cutscene of Maul being the leader of Crimson Dawn. So we knew that was coming, but it was good to see that the show's actually gonna connect those dots now and and further that story forward. So more than likely, we're gonna get Kira in one of these seasons. And this is what I was talking about earlier about the through line for this show. It it became very much apparent to me where this show is going, how they're gonna do it, and probably where this show's gonna end. Um I I very easily see a scenario where this season kind of caps off the story on Janix. Season two is him and Devin and Crimson Dawn, and season three is him and Devin looking for the weapon to destroy the Sith, and that's probably how Maul's gonna get left on Malachor, is it's probably gonna be de there they're probably gonna retroactively make it Devon because Maul's purposely there and knows that it's gonna take two people to open this temple. If Devin leaves him stranded there, and then long and behold, Ezra shows up, it it all makes sense for how like that story continues to play out. So I could very easily see a scenario where like this is how this show's going to go and eventually set us up right into rebels. Like, we're gonna cover these time periods in in bigger chunks and just kind of move forward. And to me, this is this was the most important thing of the whole entire thing. Maul looking in his reflection, telling his his younger self that like he's gonna protect him now, and that he's gonna make sure that Sidious doesn't do this to anyone else again. Like when when we got to that moment, I really I had to re- stop it, I had to rewind it and re-watch that whole sequence all over. Yeah, that's a lot because it was a heavier part. Because you you see, that's what I was trying to get at at the beginning of this. Um, you you see the the wounds that are still there for him and the wounds that still never healed. In those visions, like for instance, you know, we see the moment when he gets taken by Sidious and Savage is begging him not to go. We see the moment uh, you know, Palpatine is training him, he doesn't like the way he strikes, so he shocks him with the fucking lightning, and and Maul's just a kid, you know, being electrocuted. Then you get to the point of Kenobi. Um, and what I love about the nuance about this show and the way Sam's playing this character is when he sees Kenobi, his rage was gone in the moment. And the way he says Kenobi, even though it's it's a shot of Kenobi coming at him with Qui-Gon's Saber from Phantom Menace, it's almost like he he says Kenobi looking like, Are you here to save me? And and and it's it's such a duality of their relationship, like that this relationship now goes on all the way from Phantom Menace through Clone Wars, you know, on to Rebels, which eventually, you know, ends their relationship. But it it's almost like in the darkness and in this trauma-filled vision that he was having, Kenobi was like the one piece of light where he was almost just like, Are you are you really here? Like, am I vision? And then, like, it's like, no, it's a traumatic moment of Kenobi cutting you in half. It's not you know what I'm saying? Like the way it's framed, the way the way he his his his pauses are and the way he reacts. Right, it's just so beautifully done. All the way through to seeing him as a spider, seeing Savage get killed in the duel with City is and the words of Maroc echoing over and over again. The Emperor wants you dead. Yeah, and so now, like that's something Maul keeps reiterating as well, is like I was nothing but loyal to you. And like, I still think even in this, like, when when even after Savage is killed, take for instance, Maul basically like begs the Emperor to keep him alive, and like in this instance now, he knows there's no begging, there's no giving up, the Emperor's not gonna take him back at this point. So, like that's what I love about this character. This is what I loved about Sam's performances. You're seeing all of these aspects as he's going through these moments in the sewer, and and it just it's it's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Yeah, it's almost as if like another character that is it's it reminds me of more is Kratos because you know they both come from uh a struggle of upper echelon people taking putting them down from not being where they are now. But and um I I just as I'm watching this episode, I I'm constantly thinking of Kratos at the same time because I'm like, damn, he's that was like how vibe. I can see like where you're where you're you're correlating the two with the gods and the deaths and Darth Sidious and them as characters, that's that's where I came from.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

The whole story of of him being, you know, with Ares and all that. I could see like what you're talking about, but yeah, I I I think Kratos though, like he never really was a villain in the stories. Like you kind of you kind of move past that pretty quickly. Maul Maul, that's the difference with Darth Maul, is like he's still very much a bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Like, there's there's no the way you look at it though, he he can be a villain because he ain't he he's killing everything and it's like yeah, but um but Maul, like Maul is a villain, like he's a bad guy.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

He's he's got as much as they're showing you these moments of of his emotion and his justified rage at at the situation and like why his revenge is is justified in a way, like the things he that he wants to kill Sidious at this point. He deserves he thinks Sidious is to blame for everything that's happened to him, which in a way he is, and so like that's where we as an audience are agreeing with him and are are you know taking his side in in this stance, but at the same time, like Maul is responsible for a lot of his own actions too, and a lot of the things that he did. So it's not all Sidious's fault.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Like you had the you have the consciousness to make a voice.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

So like that's where you're seeing that like he's still very much a though his thoughts and and the way his revenge is is guided, and and it's coming from a place of of you know, I was hurt, so I want to hurt the person that hurt me. Um it's you know, it's a it's a it's a victim. You're you're watching a victim that has been put through an abusive cycle now perpetuate this cycle going forward in his own life. And that's that's what I'm saying about this show. Like, this show's doing shit that none of the other animated shows have ever done before. This is doing stuff that a lot of the live-action Star Wars have never done before. This is pushing boundaries. This is this message is so deeper than just an animated cartoon, and I love it. I I think this is what's really intriguing me week after week. And it's not only just Maul, it's Devin as well. Like, you're watching Devin from the other perspective of someone who followed the rules and did everything right, and now she's questioning the way everything was done. Even in this episode, she takes out all four of those dudes to get the ship and steal the ship. She took pleasure in that. That wasn't something that, like, she she was like, Oh well, I gotta I gotta whoop all four of these dudes' ass, and then you see her driving off with the ship. Like, you're watching it for the side.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Dude's been dying to do that, and this she's actually able to do be her own person, and as far as like the ways of other Jedi, she wants to who the fool she wants to be. But like, in that too, like, Jockey has just been so like I'm so annoyed with him already. Like, I thought he was gonna be done this episode. We talked about that last week, but he's still around. But his contradictions, like, what he said, he was like, Oh, I feel like we're gonna start uh making a disturbance about being here. You you don't think, bro? Like, yeah, well, and you are giving a disturbance in it.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

And for the fact that he knocked, you know, on their door and went to their apartment and like put them in danger and put Riley in the situation that he's in. And he's like, Maybe if we go, they'll let Riley go. Like, and it's like, no, dude, like, that's not how this works. I I said it on Twitter the other day. I really feel um like Hot Tub Time Machine. You know, you're watching, you're waiting the whole entire time for a hot tub time machine for the dude to lose his arm, and he's juggling chainsaws and you know, slips on the ice and does all this stuff and gets his arm caught in the elevator, and the guys of the whole entire movie are like, oh my god, is this when it's gonna happen? That's how I feel with Dockie. Every week I'm waiting for him to die, and I get excited thinking, like, this is it. This is this is I'm like, I'm like grabbing my own sweatshirt and like, come on, this is it. This is when he's gonna go. And then he doesn't die, and then I'm stuck another week of like, well, fuck, how's he gonna die? And I shouldn't feel this way about a Jedi character. I'm just waiting for it. I know it's coming, I know it's gonna be part, but I really do. I feel like next week the Inquisitors are gonna kill Dockey and Devin's gonna kill Marok, and that's gonna be her turning moment. And I really hope whatever she does, I hope it's they I hope they have her saber turn when it happens. Like I I hope if she, you know, she pulls him with a force pull and like and chops him up, or whatever she does. I hope in that moment we watch her crystal literally bleed and turn. Like they did it in Acolyte, and that was uh a poor payoff. For this, it would be a it would be a um satisfactory payoff, in my opinion, because we've watched this girl go from following the code to now this moment where like her rage is justified if her master gets killed. And like I just I feel like that would be a really cool moment to get to see.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

I will say though, it was actually insane of when they take Riley into that ship, and she jumps on the ship, and she was holding on until she fell off and she fell flat first on her face, and she just got up like nothing. Well, meanwhile, Maul does the same thing, but he breaks his leg and or he malfunctioned his leg and it is still able to go. I was just like, I get Maul, but her doing that was crazy because that was a fall.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

She's powerful though, and and you see it in the in the instance where Maul stops her dead in her tracks. Maul uses the Kylo Wren thing to literally stop her, and she breaks free from it. He flings Riley and basically tells her, like, I'm I'm getting a little my patients are starting to wear thin. Like, are you with me or fucking not? Yeah, and she breaks she breaks free of the force hole. So that just shows you, and like he's impressed by it in that moment. You see the reaction to his face of like, oh, okay. And then you see it later on in the episode when she takes on all four dudes and literally just takes the ship and drives off. Like I said, like she is very powerful, and you're watching, you're you're you're seeing what could happen to a Jedi that is starting to let loose a little bit, and Maul is is slowly getting his hooks into her, like it's happening, it's it's it's it's already there. It's just gonna need that moment of Docky being taken off the board. And and I feel like we're gonna get that next week. And then she's got no choice but to join Maul at that point. You know what I mean? Yeah, because she's already feels comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

She already feels comfortable like being around him and speaking to him. Like she I don't feel like she feels a threat from him anymore. She's already starting to feel as he is like an ally to her.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Well, she brings up the fact of questioning him too, and like she's not asking from a point of like um, you know, that like she's she's asking from a point of like compassion, like who was your master? Is he still alive? And Maul's like Maul's like regrettably, yes. Like and and like he doesn't answer her question, but I feel like if she does end up joining him, then he's she's gonna find out for herself that like, oh, the Emperor is is my master, like that you know, the guy ruling the galaxy is actually a fucking Sith Lord, and like that's a mind-blowing thing for a lot of the people because they don't nobody in the Star Wars galaxy is aware of that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 21:23

So with that, we still haven't seen Dark Vader. Um you think we'll see him maybe this next one, or I still feel like we're gonna see Palpatine before him.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Nah, I think I think we get the Vader cameo in the finale. So the way they ended season one of Rebels was the Vader cameo. Um I I definitely think it's gonna be the same thing. Like, I feel like what my guess, like I keep saying, is I think Devin's gonna kill Maroc in the next episode, and that'll probably be reason enough for Vader to to be involved in this at that point.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

And in lore or just in general, do we know? Who Crow is? And who Maroc is?

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Uh he's the 11th brother, and Maroc is the first brother. But like they're not revealed from their masks. Okay, that's what I mean. Okay. No, all that we know is when Ahsoka kills the crow in Tales of the Jedi, his mask like falls to the ground and like deflates. So like that's why I said to you, I in my head, Kenan, he's Petra from the Clone Wars episodes. He's the kid that grew up and was the snotty-nosed kid. And of course, he would join the Empire if given the, you know, are you gonna die or join us? And I feel like it it would track. So like that would be a cool review of like seeing who's actually behind the mask or seeing who's behind the Maroc mask. I saw a lot of people speculating that they think it's another uh Zabrak because of the way the helmet is shaped. They think like Maroc might actually be like one of Maul's species, like you know, one of the horned guys.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Oh, okay. I didn't even realize there would be horns on the on the mask. I didn't see any any of that.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

No, not not horns in the on the mask, but the fact that like he the way the mask is shaped, yeah, he's got he's got like a crown on the mask, the way the helmet craze over. So um a lot of people were speculating online that like, oh, it looks like Zabrak horns and shit like that, but I I don't see it. I just think I think it's better we kind of like for some of the other inquisitors, we know who they are, we know who they were before the fall of the empire. Um in this case, I don't think we really need to know either one of them, but if we did get the the Petra beat, I'd be here for that. Because I I think that would be a creative way of like, oh, remember this little shit kid? Yeah, he ended up he ended up going bad eventually. Like it would all track. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 23:40

So like when Maul falls the sec the yeah, the second time with his lightsaber, did he like do like a torpedo like turn or whatever to go through the bridge? Or I because they never really explained that. And I'm in my head, I'm like, What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:54

What do you mean when he jumps, he he takes like a jump across the thing through the cavern.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Right, and then he you see him like turn on his lightsaber, like to me, if I felt like he because it looked like there was like a bridge or a ledge there where he went he went through because he I think he already did the collateral damage.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

There's like a there's a scene where like the crow is about to take him and and force pushes him off a thing, and he pulled his saber down into the into the ground to catch himself from going off the edge.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Uh oh, because like the way how it was made to seem is if like because he has his saber in front of him, like he's gonna freaking like spirit right in front of him like that. So I was like, how did you do that and not die?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Like he he uses it to stop himself from going off the off the ledge. He puts it into the ground and catches himself so it it it it hooks. In theory, it wouldn't be able to do that, but right whatever. But he does he you do see shades of Palpatine in in him fighting the Inquisitors, like the way he he does the Palpatine spin, like the 360 spin when he holds the saber out and goes at him. Um so that was a cool like little nod. We've seen different things throughout the show, like so far with Maul Dueling that you do. You saw a little bit of Dooku in one of the episodes where like he's he's he's fighting in that stance. So like you can see that Palpatine trained him in all of these different combat styles. So like that's a cool little tidbit. Um yeah, I I'm I can't wait for the finale. I can't wait to see how this show like wraps up because it's been so fantastic, and I really, really feel like Sam Whitworth and Gideon Adelon deserve Emmys, deserve whatever recognition they can for this show. Um, it really is. I I I have no problem saying it's the best Star Wars show that they've done. Um the animation.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I think it's a bit of a no-brainer.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

This this show has been phenomenal top to bottom. Um, I I have a feeling they're gonna stick the landing with these last two episodes. And um, yeah, I just I I do. I think we're gonna get the Vader cameo at the end and then more than likely get the Vader duel next season of season two.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

The animation in this episode was even the best when they were having that duel um like behind the waterfall. Because when you see when they go through the water, you see the smoke come out of the lightsaber.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Out of the lightsaber, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Yeah, that was so it's such a great detail. And just this in general, like that that brush style stroking stroke that they did with this was genius, and I I can't even agree more. This this show has been.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

I love the way the fan blade looks too on the saber. Like when they're spinning the saber, you're getting like the ripples, like it's like it's burning, like it's you know, rippling off the edges of the blade. It's such a cool like look to everything. So yeah, I definitely I definitely am enjoying that so far. And uh yeah, I I just I love this show. I I can't stress enough how much I actually like love this show. Um it's it's been fantastic so far. So I'm I'm really, really looking forward to seeing how they they wrap it up. Um another show that I'm sure you're really enjoying very much is Daredevil.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

I I I am enjoying Daredevil, but I also have some hesitation in that. All right, go ahead, go ahead, land on us. But but the show has is is starting to do a thing, and it started last episode where I'm starting to see a lot of like chaos and situation, like it's doing a lot, and they're moving away from the gist of what the last what four or five episodes were built up for this. And where I think this we have another like another, I wanna I don't know what's the last episode on this, but I think it's eight. It's eight. So this was five, so you we still have some to go, so I I guess it's okay, but it's it's it's starting to it's starting to be I'm starting to become like you was what I'm trying to say. And in in closing, uh because the the whole scenario with like well one Jessica Jones was in this move this show for like freaking two minutes, and that was annoying as hell. They gave the hint that this is possibly Blue Cage's daughter. So I mean they it and and they they already kind of like spoiled the fact that she had a dollar, a daughter in the trailer, um, like little teaser trailer that they dropped the the one before this episode came out. Um and that that was that was the thing, and just also like the the thought process of Matt of when he's trying to deal with whether he's gonna kill the kingpin or not. I I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Karen, and I um she is becoming more interesting because of where her head is at when it comes to that decision. Okay, because I'm like, yes, just kill this motherfucker already because we're gonna continue to go through the same stuff over and over and over again. This the fighting scene in this episode was great. Uh, they had a lot of homage to the the c the the comics, and you know, I I picked all that and and I love when Marvel does that, but there's just a lot of like little small fires starting to go on, and it's starting to become a little bit confusing. So I'm hoping that this next episode we we kind of like gather everything up and and can like you know move forward on it. One last thing I'll say is I really do like um I forget his name, but the Godfather's son. I mean the godfather soprano, the good the guy from Soprano's son. Um and BB's um relationship, that is probably like the most fucking amazing thing. Uh I think it's in the show. Interesting, I I could I should say. Um it does a lot with um like that's the thing with the show too, is because there's so many great actors, the all there's so many other like um scenarios and things that are that are very that can be very interesting. So it's a gift and a curse though. But I will say that part right there is something that I've I've really enjoyed the most out of the show. But overall, it's it's it's it's okay, but it needs to get it starts to gather like everything up more more efficiently. This this show's not good. What can't I'm not gonna say it's not good. It's just right now, right now, the last two episodes have been weird.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

It's not a good show at all. Um, there's moments where like you have the the the bones of something, you have the skeleton of a good show here, but the writing and the way they're telling the storylines is is killing their own show. Um I have no interest in anything going on. Karen, I want her out of this show. She's the most annoying character in this show. Her just yelling and screaming in this last episode was fucking awful. The whole thing with Bullseye was fucking awful. Um the whole the the whole thing with Kingpin and and Daredevil could have been done better had they built up to it, had they really had they really went into the the story of the painting and the blood on the painting. But no, they they burned it for like a cool little quick moment. And like, yeah, Matt going to give his condolences to Kingpin when Kingpin's got a full manhunt out for him. Like, this show doesn't make sense. The writing doesn't make sense, it hasn't this whole entire season.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Um, with these last two episodes before this, it was great, but these last two episodes have been really fucking weird. I'll I'll say that.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

I don't I don't know why they keep introducing new storylines only to never tidy up the previous ones. So now we got some weird erotic asphyxiation shit with the with the therapist and Buck. Um we have that whole fucking storyline for whatever reason, all all because they sat next to each other at a at a dinner and Vanessa told her, Oh, I I made you sit next to Buck. That's how that whole fucking relationship started. You realize that, right? Yeah, that's bad writing. Why do I care about either one of them? Why? Other than Buck's the hitman and she's the former love interest of Matt. Why is there a storyline there? What does it matter unless she's eventually gonna kill Buck? Unless she's gonna fucking go full muse and and go on a rampage. Otherwise, fuck that story too. Like, this is what I'm talking about about this show. They've really they they have the the character here. You might feel differently than me. I don't care. Great. Like you like Daredevil, you like these characters. I can tolerate these characters in in scenarios where they're in the books and like whatever, but the show's not good. And like the writing continuously goes downhill episode by episode. And I've seen it now, to where like I'm on my phone 75% of that episode now every time I watch Daredevil, because I don't care. I'm just like, unless you're gonna resolve something or you're gonna tell me something that's going on, what the fuck am I? I'm just listening to it in the background because nothing, nothing of consequence has like taken place. Like, all right, Kingpin killed that guy at the beginning of the episode. Great. There's a dead doctor in the hospital, and nobody did anything about it.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Yeah, um you see what I'm saying? Like, it's I can't even be mad because that's this is how I've been feeling these last two episodes, and I I I just don't know how where this is gonna go. And you know what? The other thing that really kills this show is all the leaks and that the fact that even things besides what we what we already spoke on that. I remember seeing more leaks of things, and it's like it's killing the the movement really of me wanting to watch Uncle Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Unfortunately for me, I feel like that this is like okay, the show's at where it's at. This whole Jessica Jones show angle showed up, great. Nothing corresponded out of it. We got to see that her and Luke did have a baby. It's her it's their baby from the comics, just like they they had in the comics. Her powers are on the fritz just like they were in the comics during the Bendis run. Um, so that's all canon stuff that happened in new in New Avengers, I think it was. But okay, you're gonna bring in Ironfish, you're gonna bring in Luke Cage. What are the stakes at that point? Because if we're doing Kingpin again for another season, I'm I'm getting a little tired of it. I I love D'Nafrio as an actor, his performance is just fantastic. But like, do we have anybody else that that we can incorporate into this show as like a villain? Do we like is Val gonna come into play for next season? Like, is is is you know uh Val Contessa Defontaine gonna pop in and and we're gonna get Elaine making, you know, being the villain for next season? Do they have something else planned? Because if you're not bringing a lecture back and you're not bringing Colleen Wing back, and you're just bringing Luke Cage and Iron Fist into this show the way it's being written and the way it's done, I got I got nothing for you. Like that this doesn't that doesn't make me go, oh I cannot wait till next season. I don't feel that way. I yeah, I really feel like they missed all they missed the ball.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

A lot of that for me has to and a lot of that for me has to do with the leaks and it kill and it killed a lot of the hype that I that I had going forward from the beginning of the show for me. So I can't even uh you you you hit it on the nail because especially with that kingpin situation, because this fight, all although it was cool to see, it didn't it it was kind of like it was very like random and it and and I was also like we've seen a really good kingpin fight in the Netflix series already. So so like to see this, it was like not even compared to that.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

And see, you you bring up a great point because that that's how I feel with this show. It's it's essentially the greatest hits of the Netflix show. They're they're like we saw that moment in the Netflix show where Kingpin threw Matt against that painting and fucking you know what I mean? So like they just ran it back again. And like for me, that that's so far what this season two has been. It's like, hey, remember all the cool stuff we did on Netflix? We're we're just gonna do it again for the people that didn't see it. And okay, like cool, but the show is is not it's not holding me. Like, I I like I said, I'm on my phone 75% of the the time watching the episode. Um, I'm really disinterested in all the storylines going on. You're right, the Gandalfini story is is probably he's the most interesting side character on this show. Um besides bullseye, besides bullseye and his storyline. But even that, they they seem to find a way to run into the ground this week with the whole carrot shit. Like I hated that whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

When it comes to the Jennifer um Jones Jessica Jones stuff, uh the only thing that I really liked about her whole like presence was just how when she mentions to Matt that like um I guess Val, or not Val, um the guy that works for Val went up to her and was saying, like, you know, the others like you, and I guess they were trying to like maybe start like uh the original defenders um before you know they got the defenders that we have now, and she was one of those people that was in mind. She probably was.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

She and and they also like tried to tried to like backdoor that like the Kamala Khan situation where like Jess Jones could be a mutant in the MCU. Like that's kind of what they hinted at or played at a little bit, which I I don't like that either. Like, she's not a mutant. Don't don't have her be part of the X-Men cast. I'm I'm dreading this more and more. Every time I hear more and more about this X-Men stuff, I'm just like, fuck, man. If they if they botch the X-Men, I'm done. Like absolutely fucking done. But the the show for me is just not great. Like it's it, I don't enjoy watching it. I'm not excited for like the episodes to come out. And like I maybe I would feel differently if I didn't know there was a season three coming. Because like I again, I just feel like, oh, you're just gonna do more of the same shit for season three. And like I I don't want to see defenders again. I watched that show already. I don't want to see it again. You know what I mean? Not unless there's high stakes involved, not unless we're doing something groundbreaking with the team. If we're just running this back just to do the same corny shit that they did in the Defender show, I'm good. Like, I could pass on Daredevil going forward and like I don't need it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 39:06

It's uh I'm gonna continue watching just because I've already invested and just want to see how it ends.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

But like, yeah, no, I think you like Daredevil. That's the difference. Like Daredevil's one of your characters that you actually like really like. So for me, like I I like Daredevil when he pops up in a Spider-Man book. That's how I read Daredevil. I don't read solo Daredevil books.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

You say that too, but I also think like the other thing is like I want to continue watching only for that way we can just get to this Punisher one shot, and I could just see the only reason I want to see the Punisher One Shot too is for that I can see how does this correlate with m with Spider-Man going forward. Yeah, other than that, they're all gonna be in it. I just I just need those, I just need those two little that's what I'm saying. And Benny Benito. I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

If if if I didn't know there was season three of this show coming, and you set me up where hey, you gotta go see Spider-Man brand new day because we're gonna have the defenders assembling in brand new day and and Peter's team's gonna take on, you know, whatever this, you know, and be set up for secret wars, that's a better sell to me than hey, come back for season three of Daredevil when we're gonna put these guys on Disney Plus again and and have you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I don't understand why we need a season three as of right now. Like if there was just a season two and we were good here, go to go to Punisher, Spider-Man, I'll be fine. But you know, there it I we've never seen the finale yet either, so we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Yeah, but at this point, like I don't even care what the finale is. Like, I'm ready for this show to be over with so I can move on to something else. Like it, it's really, it's it's not it's not entertaining for me. And it's it's not doing it. And I feel bad in that sense because like I feel like I should be watching this show and like loving this show and really enjoying it. And I I absolutely don't. I'm just like, meh, okay, another week. Like, how many more episodes? I literally like looked at it the other day and was like, what episode are we fucking on? How many more of these episodes do I have to sit through and watch? Like it's just it's it's not there for me at all. And it the the way the writing is, it's it's just it's very basic stuff, and like I'm just I'm I'm kind of over. It's it's it's a stark contrast. Like I said, when we get when we're talking about Maul and the nuances and the and the depth of the storytelling, and then we're talking about Daredevil, where like they're just making shit happen that's like we're supposed to think all happened off screen, and then they don't explain it to you as an audience. They're just like, oh yeah, they're they're all together again, or this happens in the span of like the camera being off of them. It it doesn't equate as like what they're doing with Mall, where like they're giving you those tidbits and telling you what's happening off camera, they're giving you those other essences of the story and actually letting all of the characters grow and flush out their stories.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

It feels like a direct continuation, like you don't feel like you missed anything in between since the time you last watched it. Yeah, I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

And I know and and like I said, watching Daredevil, I'm literally just getting flashbacks of the Netflix show. It's like, hey, I remember you did a fight exactly like this in the Netflix show. Or, you know, oh, you had that same kind of sequence in the Netflix show, or you told that joke in the Netflix show. You know what I mean? It's just like it's stuff like that where it's like I I understand you got the Netflix showrunner back, you're you're bringing all these characters back into the MCU, but you gotta step up the pace at this point. Like doing the the you basically kind of validated what everybody thought is like none of these TV shows have mattered so far. None of them. So Well, I don't want to say that until this until this ends, because this might end with a with something that's connected tissue, but it could, it very well could, and I mean it makes a lot of sense, like we talked about there's there's plenty of room in that photo to Photoshop somebody out of. There's they're they're obviously gonna be in a prison, and from what we know about Mike Coulter's pictures, Matt's in jail at the end of the the season, so or at least part of next season. So I I would love to see that play out in Spider-Man, and okay, we get we get Peter assembling his team and we're gonna move forward then. I'm I'm more sold on that than I am on come back for season three of this show. Um it's just you know, I'm ready for bigger things for these characters. Yeah. But you you you have to make the stakes. This is the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Make the risk out of it. Yeah, there's no risk out of it. Everything just seems like super like one, two, three. I I think that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

This is this was the problem with the MCU to begin with. Is like once you got through with Endgame and Infinity War, you thought uh raise lowering the stakes and and trying to do all these little connective things was gonna keep people around, and it didn't. You need the next big thing, the next stakes raised, and the next earth threatening thing. Like that's what comics are, that's what keeps us from going back and running. Reading the books is what's gonna be the next, you know, thing that they're gonna save the world from. Not, oh, we're gonna start right back down from ground level and try to build you back up to something. No, that's not what people wanted to see after investing in these things for as long as they've invested in. And like like I said, to my point, so far, even with Doomsday, they've kind of laid out the fact of hey guys, nothing we did in the past couple years matters. Just come back in from Endgame and and come into this. And I did go back and watch Endgame over the weekend um because I was trying to pinpoint of like, all right, I could see where they could put some of the deleted scenes back into the movie. I could see where they could add some new footage, especially at the end of the movie, with Steve traveling through time and putting the stones back. Um so there's definitely like opportunities for that. And I just still think like you're you're I I almost feel like they're gonna do the same thing that they're doing in Daredevil. That when we get to Doomsday, it's gonna be the greatest hits. Hey, remember this from Infinity War that you guys liked, or we're gonna do it again here. Or and and just from the trailer footage that I've heard, people talk about it from Cinemacon. That's what it feels like to me. It feels like this is just uh uh trying to run it back and trying to regain that momentum. And for me as a fan and like somebody who reads Marvel comics and picks them up every week, my interest is not there for the Marvel brand as a whole. Like, I'm just I watch it and most of the time I'm just like, okay, cool. You know what I mean? Like, I think I'm past that point of like being fully invested in their universe anymore. And and if I feel that way as like a diehard Marvel fan, yeah, I'm sure there's there's regular people that are. Oh, of course, of course. I don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Yeah, that's that's that's been the talk of the town for a minute already. And people like and we like us and everybody and other people I've already heard say how they don't really like the decisions that they're making with you know adding these deleted scenes and new footages for endgame. But I mean, if it's gonna be something for I don't know, to make everything make sense again, then I I'll I'm up to giving them the chance and making seeing like if it's something cool or not, and something I'll I'll I'll like. But uh I do on the other side feel like damn, that was we just wasted so much time and all these other things for nothing. And um Marvel fans, like they're telling us like it's like seeing my team lose, you know what I mean? And you don't want to see a team lose. That's what they did.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

They they they took a huge L for the past couple years, and now they're trying to get it back by like trying to get the old fans back, and that's that for me is like all right, let's see if it works. I I don't feel like it's going to necessarily, like I still think there's a possibility. Like, I I've heard people talk about doomsday is gonna be the biggest grossing movie ever, it's gonna make a couple billion dollars, blah blah blah blah. That's what people are sh predicting for that right now, and just from the the the market and the people that I know that like are are into the Marvel movies, a lot of them tuned out a long time ago and have not gone back to anything. Like, I I just don't know, man. I I think it's a very weird thing where like people are kind of over it. Like you maybe it's time to usher in the X-Men, maybe it's time to usher in these other things, and you know, I think they're definitely getting tired of it, but I don't think like I I think Doomsday is gonna do really well. Uh I'm sure it will, but like so, like for instance, you're going up against Toy Story 5, which is already getting great reviews from people who have seen it. I could very easily see a scenario where Toy Story 5 is the biggest grossing movie of the year, just simply off the fact of it's it's Toy Story number five, and every generation that's grown up now has had a Toy Story. So, like, even for new generations. So, like, I could very easily see a scenario where Toy Story 5 like outdoes the Odyssey, outdoes Dune 2, outdoes all these other things, just simply off the popularity of it being Toy Story and it being good. Though the last one still grossed a billion dollars, but wasn't a very good movie. So, like the fact that this is already getting great reviews, word of mouth, it's the fact of the IP, I could very easily see a scenario where like that is the the the biggest grossing movie for the year.

SPEAKER_00 48:29

Yeah. Um I I'm like I said before, like I just can't wait to see what I I I I want to see the trailer already. I really thought we would already have the trailer by now. I guess we're not getting it. I did too. So it is what it is. Everything is up in limbo. I'm I'm just trying to trying to keep my fandom at a at a at a regular rate right now. So so I don't go too crazy on on the hype, but I mean I it's hard not to be.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

People were expecting it in Mexico because Mexico Comic-Con was this weekend. They they kept the rumor like online, was like, oh, they're gonna drop it. I was like, why would they drop it for Comic Con Mexico? Like that out of all the places you can see. Yeah, we're still a ways away. Yeah. My guess is honestly, I I think they're gonna use it to get people to go see Mandalorian.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

That's that would be probably the only time they show it, because I think that's why they haven't showed it, is because they were trying to get this promo for for Mandalorian.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

I think they're gonna try to try to use the doomsday trailer as a way to get people into Mandalorian and go to go see it. At least, at least go in. You get to see the trailer. If you don't want to stay for the movie, you bought a ticket, it counts towards the the overall price. That's all they care about. Which for that because we'll go ahead. We could we could we could talk about that while we're here. Yeah. It's been doing better. Mando's not projected to make a lot of money right now. Um right now, currently, according to pre-ticket sales and tick since tickets went on sale, Mando's tracking to be the lowest opening Star Wars movie ever, even lower than solo. Now, that all could change, like we were saying, because of the fact of word of mouth, it could, you know, get more people to go see it. They're doing a hell of a promo job now. All this promo's coming like last minute. They got partnerships with Burger King and meals and uh partnerships with different food products and all of these things coming out. So, like they ramped it up, but it's it's like I said to you, I I saw a display in Walmart. It's sitting there filled with stuff. I was I go to Target, the the end cap with all the Mando stuff is still sitting there filled with stuff.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

When I went to the movies this weekend, there was a standee, a huge post of standee right in front of the concession stand and right on the in the line of the concession stand. I'm like, oh shit, how could you the people better know there's a fucking movie coming out now because it's right in front of your face as you sit there in the line.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

The difference is the the people that know it's coming are Star Wars fans. So like it's it's diehard Star Wars fans that know a Star Wars movie is coming out. So we're gonna go see it. You know what I mean? Like we've already discussed it. But it's the mainstream people like this is not um grasping the mainstream audience of like like a Star Wars movie normally would. Um and again, I'm not sure what it is specifically. I'm not sure if it's the way they rolled out this promo. I'm not sure if it's the fact that like there is no Luke Skywalker in this, there's no anything. You know what I mean? Like I I don't know what it is. And and from ever the the sad part is from everything I've watched about this movie, from everything I've seen, I just watched Adam Savage's test it. Um he was part of Mythbusters, you know, he was one of the guys that was part of that show for a long time. He's got his own YouTube show. Like he did a full tour in the warehouse with John Favreau and was literally pulling off a Grogu and showing you the mechanics of how that whole thing works. And it literally a drill battery is what powers Grogu. Like all the circuitry, all of the stuff that's on him, and it's literally a fucking drill battery that powers his little ass around. Like insane stuff. Like the the the time and the effort that they've spent. And John Favre was talking about this movie with him for a good 15 minutes and talking about the fact that they tried to lean away from using the volume, the fact that they really went to the extra mile to build full sets and to build actual physical things rather than just relying on the technology that they had. So you could tell that like Favre's love and his passion for Star Wars is there. The the vision is there to do something cool. He explained that like he knows that a lot of people haven't seen the Disney Plus show. So he wanted people to just be able to come into this movie and see it. And I'm gonna be interested to see if that's the case, like when when I actually get to go see it. I did um RSVP for the early access for the 25 minutes for the fan event that they're doing on May the 4th. I can make that that time is working. I I do have a ticket for it. Um I might go, I might not. My whole debate is I thought it was an early screening of the movie, so that's why I jumped on it. I thought they were actually showing the full movie and like we'd be under some sort of embargo, but apparently they're only showing 25 minutes of the movie. That's all that is. Wow. Do I want to go see 25 minutes of the movie and want to see the rest of the movie? And be in a mind to see 25 minutes of a movie. Um or or do I just wait for the actual movie to come out? So that's where my debate is. But chances are I might go check it out. I might go out to the fan event and I'm I might just go watch it and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe they might say 25 minutes and then they end up showing the whole fucking movie.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

You get some merch out of it and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

That's the whole point, and to be around Star Wars fans and to be excited about a Star Wars movie coming into the movie theater. Like, yeah, that's that's the point of it all. Um on May 4th of all days. Like, yeah, why not? Like so that I'm just I don't know how many other people are are where I'm at with this. I want this movie to succeed, I want to see it do well so that we can continue to get more stuff, but I just don't based off, like I said, all the things we've seen, all the tracking, everything, this could go really bad or this could go really good. And and that's what it's all gonna come down to with it.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

I know this is a late time to watch a movie, especially on a premiere day, but I finally bought my tickets, everybody. Um, and the only time I can make it that day is uh is at nine o'clock. So I'll be there probably the last showing of it that night. But when I went to go get my ticket, there's probably like only two other people with me in there. It may be the fact that it's just because it's a later time and it's the Thursday night showing, but I mean, I don't know. I I like we just said, like, I just feel like maybe if this is a new Star Wars movie, it's Mandalorian, a very beloved character since it's been introduced, plus you were Grogu and stuff. You do have some old characters from the original stuff with Bujabo the Hutt and his son and stuff. You would think more people will come out to see that even on a Thursday night showing, but I I I don't know. We'll uh this we're just gonna have to see. But I'm excited for the movie. Um, this last trailer, like we said last pod, I it really hyped me up, and I I'm just ready to I'm just really, really excited for movies this year, too. That's just in general.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

So well, yeah, there's there's a ton of stuff to watch, and that's that's part of the problem, is there's so much stuff to watch. I'm not going to the movie theater to see 20 movies this year, like it's not happening. So, you know, I'm gonna pick and choose what I'm gonna see, and it's gotta be worth it for me to want to go see it. Um so I just I hope for the movie's success. I I really do because I want to continue to see more of this era. Um, I don't want Ahsoka season two to be the last of it. So so hopefully they can hopefully it does well. Hopefully it does better than it's tracking for. And you know, who knows? I know I know some other fan sites have started to like go into their own promo for it to try to post videos and try to get people talking about it. Yes. Um so yeah, that's basically what we're relying on at this point as Star Wars fans is relying on other Star Wars fans to get people to go see the movie. Um the new episode of the boys dropped this week. Um, I know you had the finale of Invincible. Right. Did you feel like the the finale like wrapped up the show? Were you happy with the season?

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Um, so I was I was I was uh this season um in general has been uh a great season in general. We went through a lot of stuff that from the comics that was that is lore, but they did switch up the ending of this season. Um so if you for those who haven't read the comic in in the comic, uh Mark ends up becoming the the the whole Velchemite army basically want to they get their planet destroyed because this is what happens with Mark and his to his father then they go to the planet and they destroy it. After they destroy it, they're supposed they they they make a truce with uh with Mark that basically like we want you to to to give uh to to breed a new Vulcanite army. So basically, one of the Vulcanites in the comics basically rapes him and ends up uh making more Voltamite a whole new community on Earth. Um in the show though, they basic the uh Drag comes up to him and tells him like gives him the choice to do this or not. And he does he see he he has no choice but to do it because he almost killed him in the last episode. So I found that interesting that they didn't go the more um controversial route. I mean it's still controversial no matter what because it's totally different, but uh it would it was an interesting way of doing that without having to add so much noise on on it. That would that would have really been on screen.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

Overall, you liked how the season went, like to the books, and like it was satisfactory to the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Yeah, yeah, like people talking about the animation and stuff like that, man. Like the story to me is what really m mattered the most in this season. It was it's it's right on par with that first season, especially towards the end where you know we finally see Omni Man versus Mark and him going, you know, all crazy on him. Like this season was just like Thrat Thrag. I never read this part of the comics, but like seeing it on screen now, Thrag is really somebody not to fuck with. Like they were trying to say he's like Thanos, no, he's worse than Thanos, to my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Yeah, but yeah, I love this thing. I really like the boys this week. Uh they really focused on Homelander and Soldier Boy and their relationship of you know Soldier Boy being his father and the that whole turmoil between the two of them. They also really focused on no, no, no, no. No, we're not gonna we're not gonna do that on this podcast. Um but I I really like the show. I really like what they're doing this season so far. It's been fucking awesome. Uh it just keeps kind of ramping up episode by episode. Uh so yeah, it should be cool. They did announce that Gen V ended up getting cancelled, which is unfortunate because I loved the last season of Gen V. Um, but they did announce that there are plans to go forward with their stories in something else, whatever the the vault universe is gonna continue with. So they didn't announce a new show, but I have heard already that supposedly Amazon is loving the ratings for this season of The Boys so much that they want the show to continue in some way, shape, or form after this. So I could very easily see a way where like some of these heroes end up getting killed off, and then we use some of those Gen V kids along with maybe some of this original cast to make like a new a new seven, and we get to see like how these kids grow and and you know things transition after Homelander's no longer around. I could very easily see a scenario where they continue the show, you know what I mean? That'll be cool. So yeah, I I'm loving this though. The the parallels to real life are insane, and um just week by week, it's just like, oh yeah, I could see that happening, and then something does happen in real life, and you're like, oh fuck, yeah, it's too close to cult to the R. Yeah. So something we've been talking about uh consistently on this show is the WB Paramount merger. Um on Tuesday this past week, the WB shareholders voted to approve the Paramount merger. Um they they voted to deny Zasloff his buyout package and the rest of the executives, but the shareholders really don't have control over that. So Zaslov and all them will still get paid out. The the most interesting thing in this merger is we had talked about it last week during Cinemacon, how WB had basically moved forward with their presentation just as is WB. They talked about their plans for the next couple years all the way to 2028. They talked about their new independent studio that they're starting for for you know amateur filmmakers. The article came out with Variety, where David Zasloff basically did an interview with them and talked about how he had no plans to sell the studio. They weren't interested in selling the studio, at least not till they split the assets. So his original plan was to split the studio from the TV networks and everything else. So all the news organizations, all the TV networks, everything entitled that would have been split down the middle, and you would have had Warner Brothers the studio and the television properties. Their plan was to sell off all of the Ted television properties and extra media and just keep the studio. They had a clear vision for where this studio was headed. They had uh capsized almost, I think it was 35% of their debt that they had from the Discovery merger and from ATT. So they were paying off with big amounts of this debt, and with them having the year that they had this last year with all of these movies, they were the number one studio. Basically, the only way Zaslov could stop this the shareholders from voting is if he could promise the shareholders or present a case to them in some shape, form, or fashion that he could garner $34 a share for them at one point. I guess in his argument, I guess from his logistics, he didn't see a way that was possible. Because most people believe that Paramount is overpaying for this thing as a whole at $32 a share. That's why Netflix didn't up their offer. Netflix was only interested in the studios. They were gonna allow WB to split the studios and the and the assets and just purchase the studio for a considerable amount. So to me, that's how I would have presented this if I was Zasloff. That, like, hey, we could still split these, we could make what we can make off the Netflix deal, and then make even more when we sell off the television assets. But apparently that's not the the the argument he laid out to them. So they did vote to pass this merger through. Um now it goes to the FCC. So the FCC has to approve this merger simply off the fact of 49.5% of equity in this company, once it's all merged together, is gonna be to Arab countries. So Saudi Arabia and Quotar and one of the other ones over there are basically gonna be a 50-50 share. They they gave them an a share less, so they're not a majority. But that's just for logistics. The FCC is very much in line with this administration, so I could very easily see the FCC just passing this through, even though it goes against all kinds of consumer codes and regulations here in America, having another country be in control of this much of the media.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:01

It's so crazy how they have their hands in so many pockets right now, it's it's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

And after this, it'll eventually go to Congress for Congress to to debate and go through. So this is gonna be some time. Um, there is still very much a possibility that this could be held up or that something could happen where this deal does not go through. Um, but David Zasloff was very adamant that they had no plans on selling, that they weren't interested in selling, and that they wouldn't have sold if it wasn't for the hostile takeover bid that Paramount launched. Uh Zasloff explained that had he not taken this deal, he was being threatened to be sued by shareholders, and that they were already talking about lawsuits and replacing the board if they didn't take this deal. Um so they were very much on board with selling to Netflix at that point. But yeah, it's it's unfortunate that more than likely we're gonna see this deal go through. Um That's pretty much what it sounds like. Yeah. That is unfortunate. We got the trailer, the official reveal for the Clayface trailer. Um, it was exactly how we described it. It was the same footage that was shown at Cinemacon. Um, it looks cool. I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm not well, I shouldn't say I'm like I'm excited for it, like I can't wait. But it looked cool. It's it's something different for the DC universe. Yeah. Uh James Gunn did clarify that this movie is gonna take place before Superman, though. So technically, this is gonna be the first DC project that's out of order from all the other films. Um, so that's an interesting dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

So, yeah, my thoughts on it too was I I'm very I'm I'm excited for it. It creeped me the fuck out because you know me, I'm not the scary movie type of guy, but especially seeing his face finally on screen and what it's supposed to look like, that was crazy. Um, it's almost a little bit on par with how Two Faced looked in freaking Dark Knight. Um so that that creeped me out. Um, it did also make me go back and re-watch the animated series of Batman. Oh well no Batman. Yeah, just to get like to understand because I honestly I never knew his lore. So um I heard a lot of people telling about like that that his lore is really great and well known from the animated series.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Well, the that's the whole thing. Uh in the comics, his lore is totally different. Um, he's actually a totally different character in the comics. Um, it was the animated series that took both versions of clayface and merged them into the clayface that's gonna be used here for for this clayface. Mike Flanagan used the animated series as like inspiration writing the script. Okay. So they're they're going with uh the Matt version of the character rather than the Basil Carlo version, but they combined kind of both.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:56

So yeah, it it it got it got me thinking though for sure. Um I I still don't know if if this is probably or not the freaking Matt Reeves Batman, I mean Gotham. No, it's not. I I wish it was, I'm not gonna lie, because I really like that Gotham, but it was also cool to see a Gotham in daytime. It's too.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:19

So Yeah, no, this is this this was originally supposed to be part of the Reeves universe, but it's not, it's part of the DCU proper. Um, so this is gonna be in timeline fashion before Superman and before creature commandos. So I still think somehow, some way you're gonna come to find out that Frank Grillo's character is actually clayface in Peacemaker, and that would explain a whole lot of why his behavior changed and why he acts like a totally different person. Um I think that would explain a whole shitload. It would tie into creature commandos, and that's how you do it. I don't think we're gonna get a Batman in this clayface movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:57

I was gonna say that people I was gonna say, you don't think especially at the end?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:02

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:03

Oh, because the way how I seen it is or how I envisioned that maybe like, you know, they show the part where he's looking at the sub the septiment of like the clay that's like in like the show, whatever, maybe that's after the fact of him already becoming clayface and doing all the things that he does in his origin story, and he gets that kind of like kind of what happened at the end of Spider-Man where they get the little bit of of the symbiote. Um and it's Bruce looking at it like there's a clay this guy is clayface, and I just maybe I just don't think I don't think they have a Batman. I still don't think that's yeah, they're actively still working on this script still.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Um, but I don't feel like that's an that this would be the moment for you to at least it would be, it would be the logical thing to show a Batman and here's who's playing Batman, especially if they're gonna be do a whole movie in Gotham. Yeah, it would make sense, but apparently there's no plans for a Batman involved in this movie at all. It's a horror movie, it's not a superhero movie, it's straight up a horror movie. So I I don't know. Um I know they did just cancel one of the DC movies they announced, The Authority. I think that just got canceled, that's not happening now. Um I I don't know what to think about this universe, especially the more we talk about this Paramount merger going through. I'm I lose more and more interest because of the fact that I kind of feel like it doesn't matter what James Gunn does anymore because this whole universe is going to be gone anyway in another year or two. Like, I'd be shocked to see him get past Man of Tomorrow the way this is all playing out. Like, I could very easily see a scenario where like he's shooting Man of Tomorrow right now, and that might be it for the DCU is is Man of Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:48

Not only that too, though, but like I'm also I'm Superman the fuck out. Because like I like what movie. I know, but like with him him and with me that one and the Supergirl movie coming up, uh it was just a lot of Superman, and that's just all I see when I think about this DCU. Peacemaker was amazing, but I even season two, I don't feel like it really helped the movement of of the DCU. And then so seeing Clayface now really gets me excited because it's something totally different from what we got from Superman and the Supergirl stuff, like all that stuff. It is it makes me way more excited to see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

That's what he was saying is that like everything in the DCU is gonna be something different, they're all gonna be presented differently based on what they're gonna need. Like even the lantern stuff looks like it's gonna be presented as a buddy cop. Well, not even a buddy cop, it's a detective show, it's a it's a HBO drama. So, you know, you're getting that diversity with these things. It's just I like we talked about last week, you know, we need our Wonder Woman, we need our Batman, we need our Justice League, we need to move on. I I I don't need every piece of the puzzle put together like a like a you know, we're we're past that point as as fans. And the more you drag it out, the less people care. Um Supergirl, I I don't know how that's gonna do at the movie theater. We're gonna find out. Right. It it I I love the book. I've said it over and over again. The the book is phenomenal. I love Millie Alcock as as Kara. I think the casting is phenomenal for her. I just I don't know if people are gonna jump out to go see the movie. Um again, partly because I don't know if a lot of people real think that the DCU is gonna continue. I'm very into both studios, Marvel and DC, are in very interesting predicaments for this year. Like, I don't even think the DC stuff hinges on this stuff doing well. I just think it hinges on this merger going through. Like the the Marvel stuff is more hinged on the fact of they need to deliver at the box office, and if Doomsday isn't a billion-dollar movie, it's considered a failure based off the studios and the the money that they paid to make the movie. Um, with DC, you're looking at a studio that could be merging with another studio, and all of these people could be out of jobs. So it's it's two very different scenarios, but they're they both find themselves in the same exact spot. We both have to perform and we both have to make successful things. So I I don't know. Yeah, I'm so fortunate. Um, Gina Carano was in the news. She was promoting uh the upcoming fight against Rhonda Rousey, and she let it slip out that her and John Favreau and Dave Faloni had a phone call after the lawsuit settlement was finished, and that there's a possibility that she could come back as Kara Dune in the Mando verse. Um that again is barring on the success of this movie, depending on if they're gonna continue this after Mando. But I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's very noticeable when her character is gone in season three. She brings a lot to the first two seasons of the show. She adds a lot of heart to the character of the Mandalorian, and when she's gone, it's very noticeable. Um, I would not be opposed to seeing her come back as long as you know she just doesn't talk about politics and just focus on doing your job, focus on being an actress. I have no problems with her coming back. I don't feel like what she even did in the beginning was as bad as people made it out to be. So I I looked at the context of her tweets and saw them in in real time when she tweeted the stuff out. I I didn't understand why people got upset, but I don't think I think there's a lot of other people that did a lot more horrible shit that deserve not to be working that still are. So if she can't come back over some tweets, then what are we doing here? So I'm fine with her returning to the role as Kara Dune. I'm I think the fight really has been a PR campaign for her. Rhonda had nothing to lose in all this. If Rhonda goes out there and loses this fight, it doesn't really matter. Rhonda got the paycheck, and Rhonda is always gonna be known as the she's always gonna be known as the greatest woman's fighter that ever existed. Um if Gina comes out and, like I said, has done well on the PR campaign, does has been doing well on the press tour, if she has a successful fight and looks good in the fight and Pete has no backlash after this fight, I I don't see a scenario where you don't see her on more stuff going forward.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:44

And do you think she already has like a cameo in Mando, like the movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

No, no. From what from what I've heard about this Mandalorian movie, there are no cameos outside of like the cameos we've seen. So Zeb, Sigourney Weaver, that's it. Apparently, unless they shot stuff after the fact on set, like there's a possibility there's a Thrawn cameo at some point in the movie at the very end, because they did they aren't, you know, they did go shoot a sook after after Mando was done rapping. So there's always a possibility that they shot other scenes that are gonna be edited in. But from what I know, there's no Carson Teva, there's no Bo Katan, there's no Boba Fett, there's none of those characters that were in Mandalorian that are gonna be in the Mando movie. Um they're really focusing on like who's in the trailer and the people they're showing you. So yeah, I I I don't think I don't think she shot anything for it. I don't think she would even fit into the movie the way the movie's being done. Um do they move forward with her Rangers or New Republic show with Cobb Vanth and and Bo Katan and Carson Tava? There's a possibility, I guess. Um that was the original show that was supposed to take place. That's why Mando, that's why they ended up doing Book of Boba Fett, was because Rangers of the New Republic got canceled, and that was supposed to be the show to offset Mando. So originally the plan would have been we'd get a new season of Mandalorian and then a season of Rangers of the New Republic to offset it. And they would alternate year to year of we get this show one year, we get this show the next year, and back and forth. But they would tie together to this universe, and because of her, you know, getting fired and all of this shit, they never move forward with the show, and some of the show got rolled into season three of Mando. So I I would be fine with seeing her back. I have no complaints with when it comes to that. Um Charles Dance, uh Tyrion Tywin Lannister from Game of Thrones um is going to be playing Harvey Dance's father in the new Batman movie. So we had heard Stellan Skarsgard, we had heard Brad Pitt batted around. It looks like they found Charles Dance to sign on and and play the role of Harvey's father. From what I'm gathering out of this, I would expect his character to be heavily involved with the court of owls, and that's how they're gonna tie this in and do this whole story. Um they were very particular about like having Harvey's whole family be part of this. I think that's what we're gonna get. We're gonna get like a long Halloween Court of Owls mashup between the two in the Reeves Batman movie, um, which I think is supposed to start shooting very soon. So I I'm sure expect some set leaks and all of that stuff coming out from that. Um, the Mummy Four is gonna be moving forward with Brandon Frazier and Rachel Weiss. They are coming back, and the release date is now set for October 15th, 2027. So the Mummy Four is back, the cast is back. Um, from what I've heard, they wanted to lean more into a horror aspect with this movie rather than like a comedy. So it'll be interesting to see how they do this and if it delivers.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

Yeah, um I'm I'm I'm I'm a big mummy guy. Uh I loved all I love all three movies. Um, so especially the the ride in Universal is what really got me to want love them all. So I'm I'm really excited for this. Um but but but also in the Brandon Frazier news, uh, when I was at the movies this weekend, I also seen he's in a new movie called The Pressure, which is basically like uh he he he's like played as a captain that was playing during D-Day, and this the whole movie has to do with just D-Day and just that time period and stuff. And it looks really great. So to see him get this comeback with this and and that movie, um, I think it's gonna be a good year for him um coming forward.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:46

Yeah, yeah, and he looks in great shape. He slimmed down, he's he's he's ready for this role, so it should be good to see them back. Um, we had talked about the last Airbender movie being moved from uh actual movie theater release to being put on Paramount Plus. Well, apparently fans didn't take kindly to the movie being quote unquote shelved the way they looked at it. And somebody hacked in and got a copy of the movie and leaked it out to everyone. So the full Last Airbender animated movie is out there for you to watch on the internet. Um, and the person who leaked it is now facing seven years in prison for leaking the movie. So probably cost the studio a significant amount of money by leaking the project early. Um probably damaged the fact of getting more Last Airbender stuff in the future by leaking the movie. So, yeah, it did nobody any favors. So glad for everybody that could watch the movie and see it early, but it probably damaged your franchise significantly.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

Talk about it. Um, I did see some of the clips that went around. Um and this movie was made to be on freaking on the big screen. I don't never I it boggles my mind every time I see these clips and just people talking about it of why Paramount did not see the vision and that, especially with um knowing like what the numbers that Demon Slayer did when it came to the movie theaters and and how because I remember when I went the the theater I was at, uh that was an amazing fan experience, and to see something like that on a big screen like that was it's once-in-a-life type type of thing, and it it was it was amazing. So I still understand why why they why they play themselves like that, honestly. And um, it's unfortunate that we probably won't get that. Um, but I'm always optimistic with everything, so hopefully that can still be a thing in the in the future.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:55

Well, the the main thing is gonna be getting people to go subscribe to Paramount to go see it, and I don't know if that's gonna happen. Like I that's that's the unfortunate thing. It's not it's not a theatrical release. If it was a theatrical release, you could go out there, go buy tickets, and show your support for it. Unfortunately, the only way they're gonna judge this movie is by the subscriptions that Paramount gets in off of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

So I don't understand why Ariva Avatar Studios doesn't just go independent.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:21

I mean, I understand because they're they're owned by Nickelodeon.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:24

Yeah, I know, but like fuck. Like there's gotta be a way out of this. Like if they if they they have a way, they they need to they need to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

They're not their own entity, though. They're owned by Nickelodeon, like they're just a subsidiary of Nickelodeon Studios, so they've they've never been their own thing. It's unfortunate, man. Fucking out. And they're gonna own everything. So everything you love and watch is gonna be owned by one company. So that that's this is what we've talked about numerous times with this whole merger. Like the the the fallback of it all is that one company is gonna be control of every IP that you like and enjoy. And if you don't like the way they do something, guess what? That's what it is. There goes your IP. Yeah. Um we we lost a comic book legend uh today, actually, uh, Jerry Conway. Um, those of you guys that don't know, he was the famous writer that killed off Gwen Stacy, and he is also the the co-creator of my favorite character in DC Comics, Jason Todd. So that's how I know Jerry Conway um from creating Jason and being part of his creation. And uh yeah, unfortunate that he he passed away at an early age. A lot of people were were giving their respects, and I saw Gail Simone uh wrote something very nice about him, how they she just reconnected with him recently out of Comic Con. So yeah, it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

Yeah, it is. Um Mark me say if I'm if I'm wrong on this, but he was the one who created the uh the cover of of Punisher Killing Spider-Man, correct? I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:05

I know he had influence on like Captain Marvel and uh a bunch of other c characters. Like he had probably about like 10 or 15 characters that he helped co-create and like work on for a long time. So it's always a possibility that that could have been one of his. Yeah, especially around that time.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:24

Well, I mean, that that's that's what was the relationship with me and him knowing knowing that. So it's unfortunate. Um, we we we lose a couple uh other character um characters, artists this year too in general. Um we didn't talk about this last part too, but also like when it comes to like the studio side, like they just destroyed like all of well they didn't destroy they they cut off like a bunch of people from the Marvel Studios like visual artist team.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:52

Um yeah, we talked about that last week.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:54

Oh, okay. I don't know why. Yeah, we brought that up when we were talking about doomsday last week.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:58

Yeah, that they they fired pretty much most of the the special effects team. So expect to see a lot of AI during Secret Wars. That's basically what you're gonna get. Um quickly, tell us your thoughts about this Michael movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:13

Oh, Michael. Quickly. The Michael Jackson movie I saw this weekend. Um I was has I was to be honest, I was hesitant to even buy because the reviews weren't the greatest. Um, and I just went ahead and got to go see it. I took my mom to go see it with me. And surprisingly enough, um I'm uh I'm a I'm a Michael Jackson fan, but like to see to see this movie for what it was, uh, I really enjoyed the fact that it it took it it took it away from just like the fame and just the Michael Jackson that everybody knows, and we kind of like symbolized it to just being like who he was as a human being. And that was you feel that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

Uh you really feel that way. Well about they that they that they made made a fluff piece and steered away from anything else about his actual career.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:03

But but in this period of his life, this is what that's that was the story, and also the fact of like you know the what he how his father treated him when he was younger as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Um Yeah, but they steered away from that as well. They only show what a one one interaction or two interactions where Joe actually does something to him in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:24

Well, no, it's like the whole movie, to to be honest. He he was he was a jerk to him the whole movie. And he only yeah, it only got him to when he got older. This movie besides doing his thing that this movie is good enough of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

The movie's being billed that it's an Antoine Fouqua production. He actually left the production because of Michael's estate, kept getting involved in the movie. This movie is is shot totally different, it has a whole different cut. There's about a whole another hour and a half of this movie where he went through everything in Michael's life and and talked about actually all of the shit that Michael did in his life. That's actually the real Michael Jackson, not the fabricated fluff piece of everything he did was perfect. Um Michael had a different voice when he talked to people. The the hee hee voice wasn't actually Michael's real voice. In the movie, they portrayed that that was his real voice the entire time. That that was never Michael Jackson. He had he had the white voice that he put on for people, and then he had a regular voice. Um, the whole thing with the monkey was fucking retarded, the CGI on that. Insane. I saw clips of that on floating online, and I was just like, this is awful. Um, I'm not a Michael Jackson fan. I'm in the camp that saw all the things and the allegations, and I don't know how to feel about Michael. For me, I don't celebrate people like that. So he's in the same camp as Kanye West for me. I admire his musical talent, I admire the fact that he was the king of pop at one point in time. Otherwise, I have no interest in going to support a movie about him or you know joining the fandom for it. I d I just don't. But for for me knowing that the the the background of this movie and how it was a whole totally different movie and got cut down into this nice little tight PG sing-along performance. Watch Michael's greatest hits, I'm good. I don't I don't need to see it. I won't see it. I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:32

I've and I've heard and I've and I've heard that opinion around a lot of places. I'm the most casualist Michael Jackson listener fan or whatever, but I still respect him for what he did in the culture and and and with that going forward. But from what the movie showed me and and what I saw I I thought they did a great job just with like I I really like the the music score in this uh it was really good. Plus like I know there's some look little nerdy details that they missed out on like he wouldn't aware that and and and things like that. I know they were supposed to add the whole thing with Diana Ross in the 70s but she didn't sign off on certain things. Same thing with Janet um and Janet removed herself from the movie. The movie ends with it saying like the story continues so there's might be a chance that they do a part two of this and they add those things done. It's part two is already done.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

The whole movie's already shot like that's what I'm saying. Like so they set this up for part two who the fuck knows if it's going to get made or not because Antoine Foucault to fucking do it. So you're going to have whoever finished it and edited this movie probably just take the footage that's already done and reshoot some new stuff and compile it together to continue like the narrative that they pushed through this whole movie. That like Michael was squeaky clean good little boy whose dad beat him and that's why he was the way he was and he was weird. That's how they portray him in this movie and that's not the story of Michael Jackson. If you want to watch the story of Michael Jackson go watch the actual biopic that they did a couple years ago that's a much better movie that talks about everything in his life the good the bad the Brooke Shields the Diana Ross his relationship with Janet where who she was the one he was actually close to there's like there's so much from this that got fabricated because of who's the controlling interest behind this film. And you you could see why because their son also coincidentally is the starring role in the film. So draw the conclusions there.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:36

Yeah I mean I I get all that but there's still like a good part of the movie is pretty factual. So like those things are important to the Michael Jackson story I understand but if you're going there to be entertained and see some what Michael brought to just the the music industry and the culture then that you you got it you got it right there. And hopefully I do hope in this next one that they already have done that they do show more of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

But we'll just see we'll see I doubt it with the controlling interest that's that's in control of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:12

I still say people should go out and see it because it is an entertaining movie I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:16

Go waste your money if you feel like it please um it's the highest grossing biopic that's ever taken place. Cool great for that happy I I could care less about the movie honestly like I have no no desire no interest doesn't when I saw it was rated what it was rated I was like oh that that tracks like yeah it and and and and it's Michael Jackson so I it's only it was it was it was a no-brainer that that that this would happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:47

Like I said like I felt like this movie gave me that same feeling of like especially toward the end when the movie ended was like of endgame when I'm yeah endgame when Captain America grabs his shield and everybody's like cheering for him or grabs the hammer are you really are you really comparing a Michael Jackson movie to fucking endgame right now we gotta as far as the we'll spend way too much fucking time. With that yes no there's no fucking way we're gonna compare Michael Jackson to to the final scene of of mainly because at the at the end of the movie Thor's hammer I've seen seeing everybody be like suble see being super I thought that was a I thought that was awesome to see at a movie theater like where the fuck are we dancing in a movie you know what you could do what do what happened you could pull up your phone you could download Michael Jackson's music and stuff like that. Yeah but it was dope to see what other Michael Jackson fans in the movie theater what are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:48

Yeah let's just let's move on to comics of the week um what were your books for this week so for this week I got uh the amazing spider man spider verse um spider versity um this is it right here uh this is like a random pick I wasn't even looking looking for this but I needed some Spidey in my life Miles uh on the cover is what really got me for it and it was actually surprisingly really good um it basically tells the story of Miles and the other spike um spidey characters uh are in a starting like their own university for for one part and um what's his name uh Norman Osborne is their teacher of this university so um they Yeah it's it spins out of the actual Spider-Man book so like they set this up in the Spider-Man book where Norman was Spider-Man for one point while Peter was off world and Norman teamed up with all the kids and realized the kids can't can't do much shit and and need to be trained better because they're gonna die. So like that's the whole premise for this book is why they they launched it. It's it's Norman and Jessica Jones basically or not Jessica Jones Jessica drew Spider Woman basically taking these kids under their wing and and teaching them you know how to be better superheroes and how not to get killed.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:07

So yeah that it that's the book in a j in a in a hole um spiderwoman plays a role in this too and uh she's probably gonna play a bigger role going forward so I definitely recommend it it was it was a low-key read I wasn't even expecting to to even like this or know what this was about but uh it was really great. Um and then my second book was the Justice League uh unlimited I'm loving what they're doing with um trying to pull out all the bad guys in the Justice League and the the weirdness of that and Batman just then the rest of the the elder crew are just like starting a protocol where you know you if you're if you you gotta go through the test to see if you're really bad or or not and if you're really about the Justice League. So that whole like interrogate um program in itself is this is something that I I thought was really an interesting part that they're they're adding to this and another great another great read for the week.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:05

Yeah they they put in the failsafe that basically if the villain acts villainy they get transported right to the negative zone. So basically wiped out from where they are right to the negative zone into prison and then they'll be evaluated in in the negative zone. So that that's a cool little thing to them and Lex is surprisingly being the standout of of of it all like actually stepping forward and uh you know showing his his his urge to be a hero. There's also like little tidbits where all of them got a flash of the future and you don't know what Lex's flash of the future is. All that he knows is he's in the right place doing the right thing at the right time to lead him to whatever the vision supposedly was so pretty cool. I got the second print of the Dakota incident with the the static shock cover. Yeah they had that my shop I was so upset I was trying to get that fantastic I picked up two of these uh one for my buddy Ace who is a huge static shock fan so I knew this was coming and wanted to grab it um I I missed out on the first print of that so I I wanted to pick it up uh Star Wars Galaxy's Edge number one this is the new lore for the theme park so in California they're gonna be on Luke Skywalker Han and Leia now and Darth Vader are all going to be running around the park. It'll eventually lead into them being part of the park in Orlando too so this is the new canon that establishes that and basically explains now the new timeline for Batu and my book of the week um this is slowly becoming like my favorite book to read is Superman. Josh Williamson and Primetime uh Superboy Prime it's it's fucking awesome I love this book um I want to see Josh Williamson continue to write an ongoing for Superboy Prime but this has just been so fucking cool. Damien pops up in this issue so they actually bond and become friends which was kind of cool um Superboy Prime has the knowledge of like where his universe his universe is basically our universe yeah that's what I was gonna say he's a comic book reader so he knows all the ins and outs of all these characters like you and I do and it's he's breaking the fourth wall by being in the universe itself. So it was cool to see him like pick apart Damien's whole defense mechanism and just be like yeah I know you're a broody little kid because you dad and your mom and this that and that and Damien's just like looking at him like what the fuck like and then like it was it was cool to see like Damien go from like you know hold my beard I already have a Superman you could be Superman too you know because I need you right now but like to to like at the end of the issue Damien being like you know what I actually kind of like are we friends like I think we're friends and like kind of setting that up so I really want to see Prime and Jason Todd cross paths because uh there was the the line in the book last issue where he said I'm basically the Jason Todd of the Superman family so I think it would be fun to see them have like a crossover issue but I'm loving this book and I really really want to see more of Superboy Prime. They're also like teasing that something's going on with him. He in his action moments he he's being pressured to like punch through the reality and break out of this reality and if he does like even in this issue he's having dinner with Mon Pa Kent and the Justice League red team is above keeping an eye on him the whole entire time and like Ma Kent has to go outside and call Kara down to basically be like can you leave him alone he's he's fine like he's not gonna hurt either one of us so there's all these aspects as part of this story that just makes it so intriguing plus Clark being totally gone and we don't know where he is. So it it's really been a lot of fun so far and like I said I I really want it ongoing for Prime.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:02

Yeah I heard a lot of rave about that this second issue the most this this week um and me knowing now that he kind of like breaks like the third wall in a in a lot of ways um it make I I I might jump on this now because I wasn't before because I'm not the biggest Superman dude so like when that seems like Prime was that I was reading this book I was reading this book already just because it was part of KO this was the main book for DC KO was Superman.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:30

So I was reading it to see what Josh Williamson was doing there. Um and I just happened to stay on when the Raid of the Superboy started and it was just like oh I was not expecting this to go this way but I I'm thoroughly loving this book so much more than I was previously like I I would 100% take more Superboy Prime and and be good with no Clark for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:51

Right you got anything you're watching this week uh so this week um we got your friends and neighbors I've been really enjoying that a lot um and then uh caught I'm caught up on rooster so we we could talk about that um and did you you watched you watched the episode from last night too well actually I'm halfway into it so I was watching that before we got on today but I'm I'm caught up the show man yeah but yeah like I ended when you said last week like it's a show that makes you like feel good and laugh at the same time like all that I I I get that 1000% and there's not a lot of shows like that anymore that like you can just literally I could sit there and just laugh and watch it for the 40 minutes that it's on or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:36

Yeah and like I don't feel bad after the show's done like I I'm happy I'm in a good mood and like I like I like the show so far.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:45

I like all the characters it's it's funny you know what I mean like it's just yeah the relationship with him and uh the the the girl and then Crystal I think her name was is is is fucking hopeful yeah she's like she's like you're on and don't undress me with your eyes and he's and she's like you're doing it and he's like he's like I I know I know I'm trying not to but I am oh shit and then she what'd she say uh the don't don't wear any khaki pants he's like I think that's kind of a me problem more than you yeah yeah and then like he's sitting there talking to her about her son and she's like clearing stuff off the desk to like make him and he's like no no no no and he slides it all back yeah no I love this show Steve Carell is is is fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:30

Um I watched the Hulk Hogan documentary on Netflix um as opposed to the Michael Jackson documentary or biopic they actually go into a lot of the the stuff that Hulk Hogan did and cover all of it at length. There's a couple things that they do glaze over they skip out on a lot of the Jesse Ventura stuff with the union and um a lot of they they glaze over the steroid trial and the Gawker stuff. So those of you guys that are familiar with Hulk Hogan and his life you know like the ins and outs of the story because you've you've seen his his documentary and his life told so many fucking times that like I can recite it. This was interesting because it was shot prior to Hogan passing. The majority of it is a WWE controlled thing so they they did their best to try to keep the image of like this this great wrestler but explained the the baggage of Terry Balea as a person and how at some point he literally went from being like a person to just being Hulk Hogan all the time. And um it was it was done very well. Like I said I like the fact that they didn't gloss over all the negative things involved in his life that they did touch on the things and explain and and go into detail and had other people his daughter Brooke was not part of the the documentary. Nick was in parts but there were a lot of aspects where like the camera crew and documentary crew tried to dig deeper on both Hogan and Nick on certain topics and the both of them like declined to to talk about the things. So Nick's whole accident and and him killing uh causing brain damage to his friend all of that was kind of pushed to the side um so yeah there there were some parts that they took liberties with and and kind of condensed it up nice but they didn't shy away from it which I was happy about.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:36

I gotta check that out I didn't even know they even come out came were coming out with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:40

Yeah it's only three episodes it's it's real quick quick quick watch. Basically first one covers like him growing up and his early wrestling career second one covers like him going to with Vince Jr. and then going to WCW and the steroids and all of that and then three kind of talks about uh the end of his career him coming back to WWE and then you know all the stuff basically after that so it's definitely a good watch um I I I didn't feel sad or anything by the time the the documentary was over like I I felt like okay you told his story and you you told it the right way um I I was a big Hulk Hogan fan as a child um I was sick as a kid and um Vince McMahon invited us to come up to Connecticut at one point to meet Hulk Hogan and I couldn't make the trip because I I was sick and so they had Hulk send me a bunch of stuff. So I had a shirt and a bandana and an autograph that was like written and a note that was written from Vince McMahon and I have that stuff like on my wall. So I will always like look at Hogan as the character from as a kid but I can't excuse anything that he did in in his life and the the the horrible things that he did as as a person. So um yeah it it was it is it was good to watch um it brought back a lot of memories there's a lot of memories for my mom because my mom was there for a lot of those early matches in his career uh they used to go to Madison Square Garden every month to go see wrestling. So she's she was there she was pointing out matches that she was in the crowd for so that was cool to to you know talk about that's all so but uh yeah other than that I think that'll do it for this week of talking soups uh please make sure to follow and subscribe if you're still here after an hour of 45 recording. We're recording super late tonight so if we both look like we're tired and we're exhausted we've had long days and we're trying to get the the show out to you guys on time. But again please make sure to to to follow and subscribe you can follow us on social media as well so make sure to look for our accounts on the main talking soups page and uh yeah that'll do it for today. Peace