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Ep 18| FINISH THEM!
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In this episode we get into the finale episode daredevil and our thoughts on what the punisher one shot will bring as well as the breakdown for the new midnight X-men comic to come. Ande give review on the new mortal kombat movie And so much more!
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Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Talkin' Supes. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith, and with me today.
SPEAKER_00I am Onde Gachew. What's going on, everybody?
SPEAKER_02What's going on? We're back for another episode. Thank you to everybody who tuned in last week. Um, it seems that everyone was really hyped about the mall coverage, which we were as well, and we were so happy to talk about it. We do have some a ton more mall stuff to talk about in today's episode. Uh, we got the wrap-up of Daredevil, so I know we have a lot to talk about there. That seems to be the thing that's like splitting our fan basically.
SPEAKER_00A lot of people were asking me, asking me about the Daredevil. Um they want to hear the finale from us, basically.
SPEAKER_02So maybe I've seen some of the some of the the comments and the some of the feedback regarding our criticism, my criticism of Daredevil on this show. Um, so definitely we'll talk about it when with the finale. Um, we have the boys, we have a bunch of news stories that that are happening, including something that just broke right before we started recording. So we'll definitely tackle that and talk about it. But uh, yeah, might as well might as well get right into it with that Daredevil finale. Um, so last week we we were on short.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah, and leave us a review on on iTunes and Spotify too, because those are helping. Um we see them. We we we love the feedback that we've been getting on the show, so it's really cool to see that like we've really been growing on the podcast platforms a lot more than our YouTube. We're trying to grow our YouTube. Um, we will probably have the capability at some point soon to put the videos up on Apple Podcasts too, so you'll have the capability of watching the video through Apple. Uh Spotify, we still haven't figured out how to do it yet, but we're we're getting there. So just stay tuned. But like I said, the Daredevil season finale happened. Um last week on the show, you and me were trying to trying to figure out when the actual finale of the show was. Neither of us could figure it out.
SPEAKER_00Um I I didn't know I I knew it wasn't there wasn't gonna be another one because I I couldn't tell if it was just was this the this last one that we got was gonna be the last one or if it was this week, but we figured that out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I like I said, originally when I saw the schedule, I saw it laid out where like Daredevil was wrapping up, um Punisher would be the following week, and then Spider-Man was supposed to be the following week. So I don't know if if like it was just presented that way and I I viewed it wrong, or if like that was the original plan and then somehow things got moved around. But we do have like some teasers for the new Punisher one shot. They did announce a new Marvel Legends figure for his look in that movie, which is kind of crazy because we just got a Marvel Legends figure of like him from Daredevil, so it's not different. It's it's got a beard, uh, it's got like a bulletproof vest rather than um like his normal look. So it is it is slightly different, but it is odd that like coincidentally, right before their brand new day, they're gonna put another one out. Um but the Daredevil finale, I I I still didn't care about this show. When even when it was all said and done. Like so, so the whole thing, Fisk kills a shit ton of people in the fucking city hall, like a shit ton of people.
SPEAKER_00Um they really showed his power in in this, like that was replicant to what the comics were. And um it was like insane how how how how much he was doing he was going in on that.
SPEAKER_02Like he's literally like body slamming and choke slamming and like shattering people's skulls and spines. So, like, there's a wake of bodies in city in City Hall there. No one put two and two together that like hears him covered in blood, and then Matt's just like, just go away, just go away, and and I'll go to jail, and we'll end it. That's how they resolve this whole fucking show. All this season, this whole fucking buildup to everything, and Matt's basically like, you go away and I'll go to prison, and this is how it'll end. And it's just like, this is not how it's gonna end, you know this is not how it's gonna end.
SPEAKER_00So it just kind of that's the whole that's the whole thing though, like the it leaves so much for season three to like have to develop and like figure out and see what what happens next. Does it though?
SPEAKER_02Like what what for you out of this ending and finale like makes you think about season three and like be hyped about it or like excited about like what is it for you that like you're gonna Oh my god, they're gonna do this or they're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_00There's still the there's still the what if of well the the the things of like okay, are we real what is the real tie-in with the whole Spider-Man thing? So that's that we're probably gonna tomorrow I'm hoping we kind of assume that. I yeah, I know. So like and then tomorrow we get the Punisher one shot, so maybe there will be some connection there, so then there's that, but as of right now, I'm I'm thinking about like Spider Man. How will he if he no, no, well no, I'm saying like just Punisher in general. How will he tie in with Daredevil again?
SPEAKER_02Um from what we what we from what we talked about on the show, this Punisher one shot apparently is gonna be like its own thing, it's not necessarily him connected to Daredevil or anything else. Um, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00But I mean like you it it is though because he where we left him off with him was in Daredevil.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but so it's like we learned from Karen that he left the city. So like that's what I'm saying. Like, this seems like it's it's its own separate thing. It could very well be him coming back while this martial law is going on and the vigilante task force and him hunting them down. Well, he's gonna come back to New York come Spider-Man, but that's what I'm saying. I kind of feel like this Punisher one shot is just the bridging the gap between that. We we're gonna see some mission that he does and whatever he's doing as to why he wasn't in Daredevil this season, and then all of a sudden he's gonna show up in Spider-Man. And like, like I said, they could very easily tie it in with him taking down the rest of like the anti-vigilante task force in the city, martial law breaking out, and and all of that. They they very well could go that route. But I again, like, is that hooking me for next season of Daredevil when this this season like did nothing?
SPEAKER_00But what is is like we've we have in what we've been talking about throughout this whole season is Daredevil, I mean uh Bullseye's character. Um now he's working for Val. Yeah, well that's what it seems like it is, yeah. Well he did.
SPEAKER_02He's on he's on the flight with Matthew Lillard, and by the way, Matthew Lillard, phenomenal performance, totally wasted in this show. Um he every time he was on screen, every time he was involved in everything, I was glued to the screen. I wanted to see like what his character was gonna do, what the tie-in was gonna be between him and Val, and like the payoff for his character, even was nothing. It's literally him on a on a you know, him basically telling uh Luke Cage that like I don't need you anymore, I got somebody else, and it's fucking bullseye.
SPEAKER_00And it's like I did think he was gonna bring more to to the show, uh for sure, because I thought so too. He was he was always so like laid back and so casual, and I felt like there were parts for him maybe to do, but they probably cut it out for whatever reason. But yeah, you you're right on that part. I I did I did want to see more from him, like, because if he's so special and is really tying the MCU with the television universe, like you should you should have revealed a little bit more, or like, you know, I don't know, give us a story of why you're so important because when that episode when fucking Buck was about well Buck basically told them to like back back off and his whole character and like his respect and power, whatever it was that he had from the beginning, that's completely died after that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so that's what I was saying about like his whole performance being wasted, because once they did that, they handicapped the character. And then, you know, even Buck in this in this episode, he got shot, and we kind of dealt with with uh the crazy therapist basically just like tending to his wounds the whole entire time. And then we finally got the payoff with her putting on the fucking mask at the end. So like we knew she was going crazy. It's so funny though, I can't even lie. But like we knew she was going crazy this whole season, and that like eventually this was gonna be the payoff of it, hopefully. Um, and it was thankfully. Thankfully, we at least got that. That was the only satisfying thing to me, like, out of this whole finale. Otherwise, like like I said at the beginning, um, the whole interaction with with Matt and like Kingpin and like him being on his knees and like Matt just begging him, like, just stop fighting, just stop fighting. Like, that's how you you wrap this all up. And I understand like what they were trying to do. They were trying to show Matt not resolving to the violence, but like it still didn't have a payoff for me.
SPEAKER_00It just kind of felt like if you think about their relationship like going forward, like from like this whole last seasons and and until now, like they've they've fought each other through not knowing their identities and then actually knowing that. Now knowing who they're so talking, yeah. So now him talking to him and telling him like it it kind of like it's like they stopped playing dresser for a moment and they were like just being like real with each other, and he was just like, like, this isn't about me being Daredevil. This you need to like take your ego and just throw it out the window, just like give up. We're both going to fucking jail, or we're both gonna disappear in that. And this is how it's gonna end. And it is crazy, like you said, how he went, he went and he fucking you know killed all those people in the city hall.
SPEAKER_02Nobody's gonna do anything about it. They're just like, all right, go ahead, get out of here.
SPEAKER_00No, but but this is but that's government though, and that's like how shit. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No. But they they need they need him for whatever reason because of how sh how his his strong he is, and he's just like his government.
SPEAKER_02The acting mayor of New York City killed like 12 citizens in the courthouse. Like the courthouse. It's all documentary. No, off the camera. Like, literally, like that's my whole thing. It's just like you couldn't find another way to do this. Like, I understand you wanted to show him have his strength and have that like powerful moment, but in doing so, you made it where it's just like, oh, okay, the acting mayor just killed a bunch of people in City Hall, and it's just gonna walk away like no problem. Like and like, all right, so this is this is where like I have the issue with the show. Okay, you're gonna do this with Kingpin, right? I am hoping, like, I I hope that that tombstone being introduced in Spider-Man is Tombstone's gonna carry over into Daredevil season three. Because if we get something along those lines, now I'm intrigued for season three if we have tombstone involved and we have tombstone versus kingpin and we can play up, you know, the the mob war, the gang war essentially between the two of them for the city. Um I'm cool with that, especially if you're gonna have Luke Cage and Jess Jones and and Iron Fist.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, they would all go, especially if you're putting them into it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Spoiler for those who who do not want to know, just fast forward 15 seconds. Um, but there was a video of Danny Rand powering up his Iron Fist that was leaked the other day. So we have seen him on set. Um obviously at the end of this show we find out that Luke's no longer working for Matthew Lillard. Him and Jess are back together raising, you know, with their daughter, and that's the setup for them for for you know next season. We know Luke has the club in Harlem and like took over the club at the end of his show. So I'm assuming we could get the play, like you were alluding to, of maybe the the Luke Cage running for mayor storyline, which like I like from the comics. Um I don't know if that's what they're gonna do with the show, obviously. There that's always a possibility, but it seems like the way we left Daredevil and the way we finished this season is New York City is under total duress and martial law. The anti-vigilante task force is unhinged and out there just you know, basically killing innocent people and doing whatever they want to do, and now the people are fighting back against them. So it's basically just all out chaos in New York City. And again, that could very well play into Punisher One Shot. That could very well play into Spider-Man Brand New Day and like the state of the city and where Peter's at dealing with all of this stuff. Like, I could very easily see those dots being connected.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it would make sense why they have the um uh what's the company from Wonder Man um that's in Spider-Man too. Um Roxon Roxon? No, no, not Roxen. It's like the people who clean up who come after you or damage you have like a lot of damage control, yes. Damage control. That would make so I damage control is in New York now, probably in like the numbers as as much as freaking uh they had the task force out there for the vigilantes, and they're probably just cleaning up the town and stuff like that. But you know, Spider-Man got into some shit well and he's versing them as well. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, and that and yeah, that's gonna be the interesting point to see is like, all right, how do they play in with with Peter and the whole and like you know, we had reported on the rumors that that uh Punisher is basically protecting uh Sadie Sink's character, like he finds her and is the one like basically protecting her. So this could all have ramifications, you know, if she does end up being Gene Gray, like we've pretty much already confirmed, I guess, like for the most part, that she is gonna be Gene or or some sort of iteration of of Gene. Um so yeah, it's I just for me this show did nothing to like like this ending and the way this all wrapped didn't put the bow on it to be like, oh my god, I can't wait till Spider-Man. Now I'm waiting for Spider-Man and like, man, I hope they don't fuck up and Daredevil's actually in the show. I mean in the movie. Because if we go to the prison and we don't see Daredevil, I'll be disappointed as a like a moviegoer of like you guys didn't you guys set this all up and teed it all up perfectly and then still couldn't execute it. It that would that would bother me.
SPEAKER_00And that and it and on top of that, ev everybody has been screaming to the rooftops about how they want they want to know if he's in it. And they every time they ax uh uh Charlie Cox, he says, I'm not in Spider-Man, let's and like I understand that he's doing the whole PR thing, but like we have the hand being involved in in Spider-Man.
SPEAKER_02We know for a fact the hand is is in this movie, so like it doesn't make sense any other way. Like if he's not involved and the hand's involved in in a Spider-Man movie, what are we doing? Because that that will bother me. Like, that will make me a lot less enthusiastic about the movie if we know for a fact that there is no Matt Murdoch cameo in this, that there's no because now now Peter would know. Peter would be like, oh shit, my blind lawyer is fucking Daredevil, and like you know, like everybody in the whole city now knows Matt is Daredevil, which is I love that in the comics. Like when that arc happens in the comics and Matt basically grows out the beard and like does his prison stint and and does all that. Like, I love that version of Matt because it it does it's a little backtrack version compared to what we're seeing in the show already, but like that's the version of Matt that ends up leading the hand and ends up you know becoming like the the leader for them. So I I I don't know where they're gonna go with this. I don't know what the end up what the payoff's gonna be, but if we go into Daredevil season three and I have to sit through Matt being in prison for three quarters of the season again, it's a repeat of what we already saw on the Netflix show. Like we've already had that, it's already happened. Don't keep running back things that you've already done on the Netflix show. Like and from what that's where I'm at.
SPEAKER_00From what I've heard from what he says about season three, um, and and and in that, and what he shared is that's just like what do you do it when you know the identity is out there now, and how are the different ramifications in his life, how does that affect him? So if you think about that, you can kind of get excited for like the things that can happen for him in season three, and you know, going forward.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that that's I guess where what I'm saying is like if all right, cool, if we get like two episodes of Matt being in prison and we take a time jump or things skip around, or or we just start the season off with Matt coming out of prison. I'd I'd much rather that than waste a whole season of like, what is Matt up to in prison? How many times is he getting jumped by all these people that he put in prison? Like we saw all of that already in the Netflix series. Like that was one of the whole seasons that they did. So I do not want to see that again. Um I I would hopefully they they just push past that. We we get our resolution in the Spider-Man movie, we can go to season three and be excited. Um just the way they're setting this up so far and the way this show delivered for this season has me very apprehensive about like what's to come and and what's next.
SPEAKER_00It's a big limbo. But before before I we go anywhere else, I also wanted to mention the fact of like uh I really like that we finally got to see um uh the White Tiger actually do White Tiger shit in the show. Did we? It was it was really quick, it was a really quick moment, but I really wish they would have did more of that during like that first time when we saw her do like the the the hostage break or whatever, because that was a good one.
SPEAKER_02Introduced her, set up the whole story arc, they they they teed up a whole story arc for her, and then she had no bearing on this entire season. And like other than that that breakout scene that they were in where she, you know, slashes the tire so they can get away, that was pretty much the only use for White Tiger in this show. And to me, that was like a disservice of like why would you even waste the time of of setting up this character only to not have her like actually be one of the heroes? And like I could very so White Tiger is part of the champions lineup, like in theory, she should be part of of my favorite character, Kamala Khan's Avengers team. Um but and I said that sarcastically for new listeners, um but that's that's where you know that's like her place if if that's where they're going with it.
SPEAKER_00She's finally I I just like to me it's more of so like the representation that they showed. Like they I I love the fact that they represented her on who she is. She is a Latino character in the MCU universe. Yeah, and they and then they showed a lot of like the similarities of what you know she's going through and and and things of that nature. So that's that's more so of why I love that they introduced her into this. And you know, it was a sh you're you're right, they could have done more with her as far as her character does and and just giving her more screen time, but you know, she's she's in the universe now, so there's plenty of things you can do with her. She I really hope they do the stuff with like um like they do in the Spider-Man show where it's her and Nova and Spider-Man. That that would be like still gotta introduce Nova.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I don't want little kid. You want to grow on him, but yeah. I want Richard Ryder, yeah.
SPEAKER_00This dude, uh Brandon says he always wants to be Nova. Well, I don't know about that though.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, I know I know the rumor, the the rumor from that like has been going around for a while was that they were eyeing Glenn Powell to play uh Richard Ryder, like for Nova.
SPEAKER_00But um he's he's I don't know why they never went with that kid from Iron Man.
SPEAKER_02That would that like if they were gonna do Sam and they were gonna do the the younger Nova, like that that would be a cool way to do it. I would be here for that, like bringing Ty, whatever his name is back to to play the role. Like that would be a cool way to like tie things in.
SPEAKER_00How you add him, how you add him at the funeral and like Yeah, he is in uh endgame. Yeah, yeah, in Endgame, yeah. Yeah, and then never go back to it. And and I think never go back to it. Like it just made like the only it was perfect.
SPEAKER_02And then I think when we do get our footage that's added back into Endgame, I'm assuming we're gonna get the scene with with Tony's daughter that was cut out from the original movie. I'm assuming that'll be edited back into the movie. Um and maybe there's more of an interaction with him that takes place at the funeral. I don't know. You know what I mean? Maybe there's some stuff with him that was cut out too.
SPEAKER_00On the Daredevil's tip though again, um, I did see that Michael, uh, I forget his last name, but the guy who plays uh Daniel in the show, he um Kendall Feeney. The reason why the he he was only cut um killed like like week a week or two before that episode was even aired. So uh if somebody on there from Daredevil is listening, uh thank thanks for like putting the risk in this, but uh that was crazy because they also said that they shot that they shot that dirt while they were shooting season three and then edit edited that into season two?
SPEAKER_02Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so so they so they had they had that scene during season three, and and then they had the original scene was in he shows up at that big part where they're in the the um the city hall where all the people are fighting for Daredevil and stuff like that. Because they said in a in a scene in one of those scenes, he is um like on on he's on the on the stairs by where uh p uh Kingpin was at. Okay. And they had they had to edit him out because he he was he was there. In the original shots. So they in the original shots, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Basically, I guess in the original version, he was gonna be one of the people that stood up against Kingpin at the at the in the finale, and then they went and changed it and ended up killing him off. That's interesting. Because so like I I have heard both sides of it. Um I've heard people that weren't fans of his performance and and didn't really care for him. Um I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I I think he's perfect for these types of of roles, um, just like his father was. Like, if if we're doing a cop show, um, if you're doing a mob show, if you're doing under you know, crime.
SPEAKER_00A mob show is perfectly in New York type of show.
SPEAKER_02Like, he's your guy. And and I just feel like it was more so the writing of of his character this season, maybe for some of the performance stuff. But um, I I thought he was for me the standout of this season was was him and Bullseye. Um, they're the two characters that like every time they were on screen was more invested in like what was gonna go on and and how their storyline was actually gonna, you know, resolve or play out.
SPEAKER_00The director also said that um they asked him like what are some of your dream things to do with these characters, and one of the things he says was, you know, getting a scene, getting either a movie or just a scene of Daredevil versus Punisher. So the fact that he already said that makes me think of like what can be happening in this one shot. So we will it's it's interesting interesting to see. So going on.
SPEAKER_02Especially, especially because now they they built in the whole thing with Karen, of Karen kind of relating more to what Frank was doing and and you know, more so agreeing with his way of doing things than than Matt's. So that could be a uh a you know a point of contestion for both of them on on both sides, like of him trying to get Matt to listen to him and and Matt trying to get Frank to stop killing people. Like I I could very easily see that, and especially like with Karen being a big thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that would make a good contrast going board going back and forth too with those two characters.
SPEAKER_02That's definitely an option for like how how they could play that off. Um I I do kind of feel like though, if we're gonna see them, I don't know if we're gonna see Frank and and Matt interact in in the Punisher one shot. I could see it in in Spider-Man, I could very easily see like they're going to break Matt out of prison or you know, whatever's going on in the prison, and Matt's a part of it because he's he's in there with them. Um so yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see. But season two did did nothing for me to make me more excited about the MCU. And I was hoping that it was gonna it was gonna do something to grab me or like make me more invested in like what's coming. And like I like I've said on this show, I'm excited about Spider-Man because it's a Spider-Man movie, but otherwise, I I don't know what they're doing yet. I haven't I I'm not one of the people that saw the Doomsday script and know how everything's gonna play out. There's a bunch of people out there that have. A couple of the shows I watched, they they've they've talked about like what happens in Doomsday and they know how it's all gonna play out and like where this is leading. So far, I don't have a clear path based off the things that they're doing now currently, as to like what can I speculate, what do I think is gonna happen? Because so far in all of these things, they haven't had the payoff. We we get like the first couple episodes. I've talked about it on this show. Like the first couple episodes are great, and then we get a a fall off for like the rest of the weeks, and then season finale comes, and we have to tie everything up in a nice little bow in an hour episode or a 40-minute episode. And it it's a hard method to do stuff like that. Like, you see the difference between a show like Maul, where every week we got a significant payoff when the show was over. We were satisfied as viewers, like this happened, this happened, this happened. Now we're on to the next part of the story. And there was no like mystery box stuff, there was no guessing as to like what's gonna happen next, because we were getting uh and ultimately a resolution every time we watch the show. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00But the thing with Star Wars though is that like it's it's not so like uh spurse as far as what directors and producers and things of that nature, as far as like like how the Marvel universe is, where you have a different person doing this show and a different person that show. For the most part, we know like Falone is the guy for this and for the Clone Wars and you know everything else. So like it's it's a lot more easier to put like you to command how you want these things to do, because it's just like almost it's not a one-mane army, but it it is a one-man army. Too many cooks in the kitchen. That's that's what it is. It's just too many cooks in the kitchen when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER_02Like you're you you have Kevin Fogge who's overseeing all of this, but he's wrapped up in Doomsday and what's going on in Doomsday. So Brad Winterbaum is the guy helming all of the television stuff, and it's so far, it it's it's I I guess I can go out on a limb and say so far, like none of their television stuff has really landed with anybody. Um, you have like your moments of shows like being decent or like taking off, but so far, out of like the Marvel television, none of this stuff has really mattered in the big scheme of things, and like that's the detriment.
SPEAKER_00I wouldn't say that just yet because Loki we do have the damage control stuff with with that Wonder Man still.
SPEAKER_02But that wasn't Wonder Man that introduced that. That was Spider-Man, the first Spider-Man movie. Damage control was a part of that movie. That's how Vulture got his equipment. Like that's been that's been a but that's been a running story. That wasn't something though that was introduced in a TV show and then brought into the movies. That was something that was from the movies that they took and then made something else. That's what I'm saying. Like, so far in all of the TV shows, the only thing you can point to out of all of the TV shows is maybe Loki. Of like, okay, they wrapped up the Kang story in Loki, and now Loki is the god of all stories at the end of time. He's gonna play a big role in Doomsday, as we know. So, like, out of all of them, that's the only thing I can really say that, like, alright, you might have to go back and watch Loki season two before you watch Doomsday, but otherwise you can skip everything else because none of it has any merit on the MCU or the overall movie universe. I guess that's that's what I'm getting at.
SPEAKER_00Well, the would yeah, I I get I get that, but I don't I wouldn't say that they don't they're not, you know, the the the the contributions from what the TV shows that we got in in this last year are not gonna pay off for later on because they might if they get around to it. Whatever happens is I think a lot of these TV shows that's came out like with Wonder Man and with the uh Daredevil, um, I think a lot of it will pay off in Spider-Man. And Spider-Man will most likely pay off for the X-Men stuff in the MCU and whatever maybe what happens in there and in Doomsday Definitely Secret Wars.
SPEAKER_02That seems to be how they've set things up, obviously, is is you know Spider Spider-Man it's a waiting game.
SPEAKER_00Spider-Man is the first like Spider-Man is the long really know what's going on.
SPEAKER_02And then we're gonna go from there. But to me, I I still don't know about going that route. I'm still wondering how they're gonna pull off the X-Men, how they're gonna set this up. It's it's a it's a long game, and I I don't know how it's gonna go. I I really don't. I'm so interested to see what the Doomsday box office is, how it's received, if it all works the way they want it to, and like they can nostalgibate everybody to come back and see the characters that they that they've wanted to see now for the past 10 years that have just been missing from all of the movies. Um that's where they're leaning, and like that's what I'm saying. To to me, Doomsday is a marketing ploy. That's that's all this is. This is them realizing that they didn't have the audience and they didn't have the people that were still invested. So they went back, they brought everybody back that they killed off except Scarlett Johansson because she sued them. And that's that, and that's what we're doing. We're we're bringing them all back to to cap this all off. And then probably when Secret Wars is over, we have a whole new MCU anyway, with all new all new people playing those characters. Because they're not gonna keep paying Downey Jr. to play Iron Man, they're not gonna keep paying you know Chris Evans at 50 something years old to keep playing Captain America. Like it's you know what I mean? You're getting new characters at some point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and we got three months left too for Spider-Man, and then right after the around that same time, we're gonna be having San Diego Comic-Con, and then we'll really know like from there what's next to go forward. I'm hoping at that point then we can get a freaking X-Men trailer, like an action, or or just at least a cast reveal. Um because that would be a really good idea.
SPEAKER_02Who's playing like the new, the new you're talking about?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like who's playing the new X-Men characters?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's apparently the rumor is like that's the plan for Hall H this year is they're gonna walk out the X-Men cast and and you know announce them. Um but we'll see. I I I don't know. I I don't like the move of the Thunderbolts director directing it. I don't like the move of the Thunderbolts writers writing the X-Men script. I don't like the idea of them just going with the original five. Like uh it's it's there's no diversity to that team, so you're you're gonna have to add some diversity to it. I I don't know what you do in that situation. I don't even know who you cast. Like, at you know, we were looking at casting rumors a couple weeks ago of like some of the people, and like, all right, Dunk as Beast is a good pick. Um, that Odessa a Zion as Rogue is a good pick. I couldn't tell you who to take for like the original five, though. I couldn't tell you like who to go cast for Angel or who to cast for Bobby or you know, anybody else. So that's what I'm saying. Like, they're gonna have to change up that cast because there's like there's it it you if you're just doing the original five white X-Men, I I feel like you're gonna get backlash. And like even even though like that those are the original five characters, I I I still think you're gonna get backlash if you don't race swap Angel or Bobby or somebody. You know what I mean? Or or Professor X or Magneto or or somebody along, you know, like something is gonna happen. And like we'll talk about it later when we talk about the Odyssey. There's been all kinds of backlash to all of this types of stuff. So it's it's just I I I feel like no matter what you do at this point, you're you're getting backlash from one side. And the nitpicks are so minuscule that like you just eventually have to tune out some of the criticism and just kind of keep rolling with what you whatever you're gonna do and whatever you feel is is the right thing to do. I just my faith in in them and their execution and and knowing that they can execute these things properly is diminished because I've watched them botch it now for what ten years that we've been out of endgame, right? Mm-hmm. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_00But I I was the only thing I the casting part will be hard for sure. But I'm not so mad at at who do the them having the Thunderbolts director direct it, mainly because Thunderbolts was one of the movies during that time when meant when the MCU was fucking up like all the time, and it actually I really really enjoyed that movie, mainly because of the fact that it talks about like you know mental health and you know overcoming your own international internal fears and things of that nature. And I just thought about that and adding mutants and their struggles that they go through every day. There's there's a lot kind of thing that kind of makes sense. Yeah, that's a that makes sense. So like for them to be like, okay, he made up this story, they could probably do something crazy with that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh with with with the X-Men cast. Um I I I was I was I'm high I'm hyped for him to to do that. Because I really like I and I also like visually how he the he shot that movie too. Um, so but the casting part, you 100%. Uh it's gonna be kind of it's gonna be very difficult to see what they do going forward. Um like the main people we we it's easy to cast, but like, I don't know, it would be fun to also get some some new people too.
SPEAKER_02Like we we spoke about it before on the cat on the podcast about like maybe getting uh I would there's there's a whole list of X-Men characters that I would love to see brought into live action because there's a lot of current characters that are prominent ones that you know would be much better fits for a movie universe. Magic being you know the main one.
SPEAKER_00Uh number one, she's so popular right now.
SPEAKER_02Silock being another one, like there's there's Monet being another one, like there's plenty of other versatile characters that you can bring in and make part of this cast that I feel would be a lot more successful. Um we we might as well talk about it while we're here. Um, they did talk about a Marvel up front that is coming um very soon. We're supposed to get a look at Vision Quest and what that is. I I have heard some tidbits from some people that know what Vision Quest is or are friends with like the the production staff and and say that like it's it's good, just just give it a chance and that it'll all pay off, I guess, the the WandaVision and Agatha stuff. That's I guess gonna be the whole point of the show is just kind of to wrap all of that stuff up.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, so when I was in um so same time when I watched at that Bob interview interview in New York during uh New York Comic-Con week, uh they also brought up the director for uh the the Vision Quest stuff. And what he says from from what I remember from that interview was uh basically like it's gonna be Vision going through like how how would Vision work in the world of AI that we know now, yeah, with also adding um you know the other characters that he already has in it.
SPEAKER_02It's basically all the other AI operating systems in real world. So like Bill Spader is coming back to play Ultron, but he's not actually Ultron, he's gonna be a human version of Ultra.
SPEAKER_00And adding Marvel tidbits to it and what the whatnot.
SPEAKER_02That's another show that like I could have done without Vision of all people, is not a character that I I care about. I didn't like WandaVision. Agatha, surprisingly, Agatha surprisingly, like I actually enjoyed, and I would have preferred another season of Agatha verse getting this Vision show. Like and and the Wanda and Vision stuff already. It's it's over, it's done. You ruined Wanda's character in multiverse of madness. Like, you gotta own it at this point and just kind of move on. Like, I understand there's wanda stands everywhere, but sorry. Like it's it's the Wanda army.
SPEAKER_00Don't mess with the fucking chaos, man.
SPEAKER_02I I get into it with them all the time on Twitter. Um because her book got cancelled again. Guess what? I was right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you're right, and they added her to something else too. I think it was Storm of the City.
SPEAKER_02We'll talk about that later during comics because I have that I have that issue pulled here for this. Um yeah, so uh along with that, we're also supposed to get a proper look at X-Men 97 along with a release date. We have seen a lot of the promo material for X-Men 97, and at first I was very hesitant because the the the first original costumes and suits that they had them in, I was like, what the fuck are these designs? Like what this is not what I was anticipating or what I had heard about. They also had Faro Wolverine, which I fucking hate, that whole entire storyline from the 90s. So I I thought we were just gonna skip past that and was hoping that we would have. So hoping that it's only like an episode or two out of this season that we're dealing with that type of stuff and we can just move on. But the promo the promo art I'm talking about is them in probably one of the best X-Men designs ever and best runs of X-Men ever, Grant Morrison's new X-Men suits. Um, and the cool thing was the team is different than the Grant Morrison original team. So Nightcrawler is in one of these suits, and they really played up uh his preacher look with the high collar. Uh Polaris is part of the team, and she's in in a new design that looks looks awesome for her, and Bishop is part of the team in a brand new design. So it seems like the way this is gonna go is we're gonna have our X-Men that are in the past, present, and future, like we left off the the past season. We're gonna have an X Factor team with Havoc, Polaris, Wolfbane, and surprising me, Val Cooper as being part of the team. So I don't know if I don't know if that's gonna eventually lead to the reveal that she is in fact Mystique, because if we go back to like the original comic source, that's when she was part of Freedom Force, when she was pretending to be Val Cooper, and then you know, eventually Mystique was the one behind it all. So that would be a cool like twist to to that Val was Mystique the whole entire time. Um and then X-Force is the other team. So we have Cable, Sunspot, Archangel, Silock, Roberto, and Jubilee as being part of that team. So they kind of took two members from Uncanny X-Force uh with Archangel and Sylock, and then Roberto is a an actual member of of Cable's original team, but Jubilee is not. So they kind of mixed mashed some X-Force teams and put them together to to be the X-Force team, you know, in 97, which is cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm excited to see to see this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I am too. I um I know we saw the teaser, we we had the footage of the teaser that was shown at NYCC. I don't know what's changed since then because it does seem like some stuff has changed. Um so we'll we'll see how this all plays out. But I'm very, very looking forward to seeing like how they're gonna work all these characters in. Um I'm gonna be glad to see Warren and Betsy together in in you know this show. Um they haven't been together in the comics for a long time, but like if you're a longtime X-Men reader, they were like your your couple goals for the longest time. So it's gonna be cool to like see that portrayed in X-Men 97. You know what I mean? If if she is Betsy, I still don't know if she's if she's Kwanin or Betsy in in the 97 universe. They they haven't really clarified that, but um, yeah, it I I'm excited for 97 and and I really just can't wait for that. Um you went and saw Mortal Kombat 2 very quickly. Just just kind of give us your thoughts about the movie and like what you thought.
SPEAKER_00I loved it. Um, I recommend anybody who hasn't seen it um to go out and go see it. It's a fun time. Um, if you love action, if you love gora, gore, and yeah, gore, goro too. But if you love action and you like gore, um it's it's a it's amazing. Um, it plays off a lot of the storyline from the video games, especially the original and and of like the original movie too. So um yeah, um this it was just it was a good time. The brutalities, the fatalities in this are insane. There's some crazy parts. Um, I will also say though, like, although it's a Mortal Kombat movie, so guys, like if you're expecting like Oscar Award-winning performances and things like that, you're in the wrong, you're in the wrong theater for that right now. Um if you want to see fight, like they literally throw hands this whole in movie from the beginning to the end. So like you see hands being thrown.
SPEAKER_02Who was your standout like for this movie? Like who would you say had the best performance out of out of like the the new characters introduced?
SPEAKER_00So this is gonna be a good segue, but the guy from the boys he plays um Lu Kang. And you mean uh Johnny Johnny Cage?
unknownCarl.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, John yeah, not Luke Kang. Carl Carler. Johnny Cage, yeah. He plays Johnny Cage, and he had one funny moment with Baraka, but other than that, I just I don't know, like he was like delivering it just just enough. To be Johnny Cage, but I I I really wish it could have been like Ryan Goslin or somebody like that to have played the character. Um really but but for my favorite I would say um um I really enjoyed I really enjoyed Raiden's depiction. Even though they didn't give him enough screen time from who they play picked for him and how he was um portrayed portrayed. Yeah, it was it was it was it was good.
SPEAKER_02Um see the the the one from the one for me that I would I already know going in how great of an actress she is is Adeline Rudolph um at playing Katana. Uh I heard the way they set up this movie is like her story with her sister is kind of the heart and soul of this second one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but they don't really show the sister too much. No, she's not in it very much. Well, you know what? I was talking about it with a friend, and I couldn't I couldn't depict if the person that was in the screen was the sister or if that was her mother.
SPEAKER_02So No, the the the the black actress is is playing Jade her sister. Yeah, but that's the thing though, like That's her sister.
SPEAKER_00That's not really her sister.
SPEAKER_02Well, in the in the Mortal Kombat universe it is.
SPEAKER_00In the movie in the movies, I guess, but her real sister is Melina.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but Jade is also the other sister. They're all three sisters.
SPEAKER_00Oh shit. Well, and you tell you I'm learning something new today because I've always thought I've always thought Melina was the sister, and Jade was always just like uh like her friend that was of that. Serpent or like guard or something.
SPEAKER_02There's something something to them that like they're all technically related. They're like sisters. Um but yeah, to me to me, she would be my standout only because I already I already know what type of actor she is. Um she was in Sabrina, actually, her and the actress that played Jade, that's where they come from. They were in the the Netflix Sabrina series, and they were basically on screen together all the time. They were both also in you, I believe. At least one of them was. And then, you know, so they've gotten to be in things together now for a couple things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that chemistry in this movie was really fucking good. I won't lie.
SPEAKER_02She's a phenomenal actress. Like everything I've seen her in, she's great. Um, I've kind of been waiting to see her break out a little bit more, so I'm hoping that this movie leads to her getting more roles and like being in more bigger, you know, things going forward.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and the actress who plays Jade, she's actually I this is how I recognized her. She's playing um a main character in a new Naughty Dog game. Who people who don't know Naughty Dog, they're they're like a PlayStation Studio, but they're known for like The Last of Us and um Uncharted and stuff like that. And yeah, so um she's she's gonna be the main character in their newest game that they're working on now because I they show her in the trailer and okay, she got like the the buzz cut and all that, and so that's how I knew who she was, but I was like, oh wait, that's the girl that's coming out in the game. So like too. Yeah, she uh I thought it was pretty cool that she's playing in a game and she's playing a character from a game, so like she's just all over the video game industry right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, she she's great. Um I've I've seen her in in Sabrina, I've seen her in you. She was in a detective thing that I watched too, like where she was um like part of one of the cases. So she's both of them like phenomenal. Um I'm gonna get around to going to see it at some point or or catching it when it's on streaming, but I'm definitely looking forward to to checking it out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I would definitely say too, watch. I know it's kind of harsh, hard to do it, but I would re-watch or like maybe watch a YouTube video of the first one.
SPEAKER_02I watch the first one all the time. Like I I don't mind the the the first one isn't as bad to me as it is to a lot of other people. Um Cole is the main thing for me that like I can't stand in the first one. So from what I from what I've heard, they they kind of take care of him pretty early in this second one, right? Like and get him out of the way. So that that that works for me. Like I'd I I'm cool with that and getting him out of here and just kind of getting to them to the main cast that we need.
SPEAKER_00In a glorious Mortal Kombat fashion, too.
SPEAKER_02Can I can I ask, did we, did we get a new sub-zero in this? Did we get like the furthering of the story, or he was just noob sabat in this? He was just noob. Okay, alright. Yeah, I was hoping that maybe we'd we'd get the introduction of his brother and like the whole other story. Um I love the actor that plays him, though. He's um he's my guy from Warrior with Andrew Koji, and the both of them kick the shit out of each other all the time. So it's um, you know, he's he's another fantastic martial artist.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the the best fight out of this whole thing was a Liu Kang and fucking um his brother. Uh Lu Kang and uh why am I saying his name wrong? Kang Lao Kung Lao, thank you so much. Yeah, Kang Lao. They they had an amazing fight. And I found out that the guy who plays Kang Lao actually knows martial arts. So knowing that yeah, the one that the way it played on screen was was one to one and it was it was fire. Yeah, they didn't wish it was longer.
SPEAKER_02They showed uh um a majority of that fight on they like released it on Twitter. So like that that clip was going around. You you just didn't see how it ended, but you you basically got the build up all the way through the whole fight, and then yeah, they they did eventually like release that clip. So we did it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was the best fight. I wish it was longer. I wish you couldn't win another 10-5 minutes. But yeah, great, great, great movie. I would definitely say check it out.
SPEAKER_02Good, good. Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to seeing it. Um last week, as we we did our whole entire wrap-up of the season finale of Maul, um, there was a lot of stuff that came out after the fact because so what they ended up doing was they did a big premiere of the final two episodes out in Los Angeles. Dave Fallone surprised everybody at the screening. Uh Sam Whitware was there, the whole cast was there. So we got a lot of tidbits that kind of came out about the story. Um, one of the things that I thought was funny, so we had talked about Vanessa Marshall and Rookcast in the last episode, and us being kind of unsure how she died exactly, we just knew that like she was dead for sure. So the showrunners actually asked her how she wanted to go, and she said Vader ripping her lungs out of her throat, and that's how she died on screen. So when she dies, it's literally Vader taking her lungs and pulling them out of her throat, and that's how she died in the show.
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, I said I said last last part that like I think he crushed I think he crushed her body because that's what that shit sounded like.
SPEAKER_02And then that's that's basically what you came to find out is like because she had the helmet on, and so like he literally like ripped her lungs out of her insides and pulled them out of her. So fucking wild that we got this in an animated show. Um Dave Filone also Yeah, well, she said they asked her like how she wanted to go, and and so like I'm also hoping that David David Collins has some sort of role for next season to still be a part of it. He was the main sound engineer on this whole show. His his being an engineer myself, his sound design is is out of this world. Um, there's probably second to none to to him in in what they do, and so I'm really hoping that they they keep him on for season two. Um hopefully maybe they find another character for him to play. The whole original concept was that he was proxy in Force Unleashed. He voiced the the voice for Sam Whitworth's droid in Force Unleashed. That's why they had him do spy bot in this to to bring them back together. So it would be fun if Proxy showed up in season two as like Maul's new helper droid. That would be fun. Um also the the the most interesting thing I would say from this whole entire thing was Faloney talking about Vader.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, that was that was a perfect description.
SPEAKER_02He basically the the way he emphasized it is at this point in Vader's life, Vader doesn't he's not he doesn't know about Luke. He's not thinking about redemption for himself at this point. He's down the dark side path and he's staying there at this point. So the way he wanted to portray Vader was that Vader at this point is so turmoiled inside about his decision and his betrayal and all the things that he did that there's no redemption for him, there's no forgiveness. So every time he sees a Jedi, every time he sees something that reminds him of Anakin Skywalker, he's literally gotta crush it out. And I love that description because that's essentially what we saw in the show. Like when Dockie does get the one slash on him, you see like the switch flip in him where he just starts slamming down on Docky until Dockey eventually breaks his guard and then kills Dockie. And like, I had enough of this shit. Like you I let you play around, but now like you have to go. And so to see that that presence of Vader, to see how he was portrayed in this for me personally was was amazing. Um and just to hear Dave kind of nerd out and talk about all those things is is always fun because he is the closest person to George Lucas. Like he knows what George was thinking and the things that George had like drummed up in his head. So to see him taking some of these things and bringing them into these shows, for me, it's it's it's fantastic.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I thought they did a great job. I thought Filoni did a great job uh describing Vader's true feelings and how much it connects with with with Anakin. Um and um yeah, this this this show continues to just continue to I I just hear more and more people talk about the hype and just like start like going back and looking at the Easter eggs from what happened last last episode and yeah I I I'm I I I I wake up every day waiting for season two, like I can give it to you right now.
SPEAKER_02And something something I don't think we talked about at the um in our review is the speculation that Lawson's not actually dead. Did you hear that? So there's a shot there's a shot in the show which I didn't pick up until I went back and re-watched it. Lawson takes all those blaster bolts, right? But he watches Maul put Docky in front of Vader. He watches it, and you see him on screen clocking that moment where he literally visualizes and sees it happen. So I obviously have a feeling that that's intentional to where we're gonna see Lawson again in season two, and Lawson might be the one to tell Devin like what he saw, and that could be our little rip rift between Maul and Devin at some point.
SPEAKER_00But explain explain that part again. What what part with Maul?
SPEAKER_02So where he's getting where where Lawson takes the gun and is going out into the woods and taking all those shots and pulls his blaster and gets shot, he watches he watches during the duel with Vader, Maul put Dockie in front of Vader. He watches Maul use the force to pull Docky in front of him and then watches Maul get away. So the the prevailing theory would be of like, oh, well, there's a reason that he watched that happen because that's gonna come back into season two and play a role of him watching, you know, Maul basically kill Dockey and Devin not be aware of that. Because Devin didn't see that happen. She was fighting the crow while that was all taking place. So she only watches it.
SPEAKER_00But that doesn't take away but how does that take away from him getting shot by all those people and being dead?
SPEAKER_02It he's not dead. You never actually see him die. All that you do is you see him take the blaster bolt. So Lawson, nobody, no nothing. Like there's there's in Star Wars, that's the rule. If you don't see a dead body or you see the shot of them dead, you can't count them out. And so it's very possible. There's back to tanks, there's all kinds of ways that he can heal himself and and get back to his son at some point. Because I I I do have a feeling that Riley's gonna be part of all of season two.
SPEAKER_00This is very interesting, and I and as much as I as I hope it's I hope it's true, I I I don't know, but I really want it to be true because Lawson was one of the most like characters that I never thought I was gonna be that much interested in. And again, I'm gonna bring back the representation thing. He showed off the representation in such a brilliant way, same way like the actor from Andor, you know, showing off his accent and embracing that. And like I love to see that in Star Wars because one, we don't really ever see it, so like to see it now coming out in this new age of Star Wars, um, it's never really brilliant in graphics.
SPEAKER_02Right. Even even in like the original trilogy, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Because like all we know is fucking Mace Windu as the one black guy in all of Star Wars, like well, and Lando, yeah. And yeah, and Lando. So like we need more residentation if this is like a world where we have aliens and shit. Like, come on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Um, so I there was no word on season two, they didn't even talk about whether it's in production currently. I have a feeling Star Wars Celebration is is next spring. I have a feeling that's gonna be the drop for Star Wars Celebration, is that they're gonna be like, hey, mall season two is coming blank, and and that's where we'll get the the news. Because whenever celebration rolls around, they usually save all of their cards for for celebration. Like I know there's another Tales series that's in development that's coming. Um, I don't know when that's gonna come out, if that's gonna again be something safe for next year, but uh Ahsoka season two is on the way. We have Starfighter, so it's they they have a plethora of stuff to to kind of trickle out and get us to there.
SPEAKER_00I did see them trying to ask him when the Ahsoka should be coming out. He says he has a date, but he's not ready to play it because right now it's about mall.
SPEAKER_02But I'm yeah, I know that date's coming out, and then my assumption would be end of summertime. Um I I probably August would be the most likely time for that. And from from what I've heard, supposedly, rumor-wise, is that there were two scenes shot during season two of Ahsoka that are gonna be in the Mandalorian movie. Um that there's a flashback with Anakin and a young Ahsoka with Route of the Hutt from the original Clone Wars movie that they shot in live action, and then that there's a Thrawn scene that they shot in live action on the Ahsoka set. That's gonna be like edited in as the cutscene or the final scene for Mandalorian. They also did just reveal today like a uh interesting clip from Mandalorian where it's Din in front of the twins, and the twins ask for his helmet, and then basically like mock him by taking the helmet and saying, like, oh, we could sell this on the black market for a pretty price, but it means even more that like we you know, your enemy saw your face. And Din's like, not if you're all dead, like, and just keeps it mad cool. Like, I am I am interested. We're only like less than two weeks away from this movie coming out. Um yeah, next week, man. So uh next week this time, I think the more and more that that comes out about it. I did get to watch the first 20 minutes. Somebody posted it online and I was able to watch it. Um it was cool. So I I'm I'm interested to see the movie. I I I really can't wait. Um I'm hoping that it's good. And uh yeah, I can't believe that we're like almost here for it, though. Like it came up very quick.
SPEAKER_00I know, we've been covering this since like February, so like to know like we're finally here is great.
SPEAKER_02Um, this week, the boys episode was fucking phenomenal. Um basically Jensen Eccles just acting his fucking ass off in this show. Like him as Soldier Boy is phenomenal, and every week we get more and more of him in in like the show, and it's just makes me so hyped for this Vault Rising show that we're gonna get that's his own spin-off. Um they're kind of setting the plot threads that Stormfront is Homelander's mom. Uh we we found out that Soldier Boy is Homelander's dad. Um, he basically gives Homelander the V1 at the end of this episode, and we watch Homelander inject himself and kind of level up to God level at that point. So now Soldier Boy is pretty much uh now Homelander is pretty much unstoppable. Um with Soldier Boy seemingly being the only one that could burn the V out of his system. So I'm sure that's all gonna kind of play into the finale and how things go. But if if anyone had any doubts about Jensen Eccles playing Batman, go fucking watch this show and tell me he wouldn't be a perfect Batman. Like every time he's on screen, he's stealing the show. He's just killing it with his acting. So for me, this just kind of furthers the the point of like he should be the DCU Batman going forward. Oh, with with you know, David Cornsweat as Superman.
SPEAKER_00That that's just my opinion. Giving me a reason to finally get all my shit.
SPEAKER_02Speaking what speaking of DC Studios, we have an announcement that this Bane and Deathstroke movie that we've originally heard about since like the DCU started is actually coming to fruition. It's going into early production currently. Um they're gonna start casting for Bane and Deathstroke. My guess is Alan Richardson's gonna be one of these two. Um I could very easily see a scenario where he's Bane, and I could very easily see a scenario where he's Deathstroke. Um otherwise, though, I don't know what this serves doing this movie again before a Batman movie. You know what I'm saying? Like we're doing Clayface and then we're gonna do a Batman.
SPEAKER_00Do we have a timeline where this will play sin? No.
SPEAKER_02We just so they're just doing it to do it.
SPEAKER_00So this could very well take place after Braven and Bulls. So if if that's the case, then I mean cool. But like I I was thinking more lines of like we don't know what the still what DCU is about to look like in the next year or two. Yeah, we don't the fact that they announced something new like that is just like what it may be in limbo. I'm like, what the fuck is really going on? Like, are you guys done or not?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That that's my whole thing, though, is like, why are we doing all these spin-offs when we still don't have a Batman? We still don't have them. And it doesn't sound like he's gonna be in Man Up Tomorrow. He did add some new people to Man Up Tomorrow. Uh Matthew Lillard, who we spoke about earlier, and the rumor is that he's gonna play Plastic Man.
SPEAKER_00Plastic Man.
SPEAKER_02And I very well could see that. Oh, yeah, especially, especially with him playing Shaggy year all those years ago. It's like for a Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_00They said they said basically he was supposed to. They said back in the day they spoke about that and him being plastic man, and he would say he said he was cool with it.
SPEAKER_02So he looks like the character, like I feel like that's a perfect character for him to portray, especially if they're gonna do him like already kind of being one of the JLA members originally, because we did see in the Hall of Justice that there were there was a JLA previously. So him being one of the JLA members like makes total sense and just kind of fitting him into the new universe that way. They did also add um about three or four other characters to the Man of Tomorrow uh cast. Um I'm just not familiar with the actors, and there was no specifications of like who they were playing or or what they were gonna be doing, just that they were kind of added on to the the cast during and production is going on now. Like they are shooting the movie and actively still adding people to the movie. So I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I I for me this deathstroke and bane thing, I I could go without it. I don't necessarily need it, um, especially from like the director that I heard is rumored to be attached to it, is more of like a comedy director. I don't want to see Bane and Deathstroke in like a comedy angle. That that doesn't and a buddy buddy type show, like or yeah, or or like a like a buddy cop with two supervillains. Like I'm I'm good, man. We can we can skip that one.
SPEAKER_00Um another I I do like it only because of the characters, and the characters I really like a lot. So like if they stick to what the characters are known to be like and maybe add a twist to it, it has potential. So if Batman's in it, I need I we need that Batman before that. Like, you're right.
SPEAKER_02That I need Batman introduced here at some point. Like, we can't keep doing this with no Batman and we're just gonna fucking dance around it forever. Because, like we keep saying, who the fuck knows after Man of Tomorrow if there's any more DCU? Like, James Gunn could be very well be out if this Paramount merger goes through, and and that could be that. That could be the end of it all. So you gotta get the ball rolling. I think that's why some of these projects are starting to be fast tracked. We're seeing that the the Wonder Woman spinoff is being fast tracked now, and all of these other things are being introduced. So I think he's trying to just get things off the ground before Paramount comes in and fucking demolishes what he's doing. Right. Um, another thing that's getting off the ground, which was kind of shocking to me, is they're gonna do a Django Unchained Zorro crossover movie. Uh so Jamie Foxx is coming back to play Django. But we don't know who's gonna play Zorro. So this is all based off a comic book that they actually did where it's Anthony Hopkins Zorro character, much younger with Django. So obviously they're not gonna be able to get Anthony Hopkins back to play Zorro at this point. So I don't know who it's gonna be. Um I don't I don't know who the audience is for this movie. Maybe I guess the I guess the comic was great.
SPEAKER_00I don't even know fans of of Django and people who like like Zorro.
SPEAKER_02Well, I don't I don't even like the original Django movie. Like I'm not a I'm not a Quentin Tarantino guy, so like for me, yeah, whatever he does, I don't really give a shit. Um he's also kind of a fucking asshole in real life. So like I just kind of after he said what he said about Bruce Lee, like you can go fuck yourself, man. Um but all all of that shit, like I don't give a shit about anything he makes. He's a weird, weird fucking guy. Um and to me that he's not attached to this film in any sense, but it is essentially like he had to give his blessing, I guess, for them to move forward, you know, in doing it. So I I don't I don't I don't know again who the audience is for this movie or if it's gonna do any good, but whatever. Um Ryan Kugler's X-File series uh announced that they added Amy Madigan and Steve Bashemmy to the cast. They weren't given any kind of roles as to who they're gonna be, but those are two blockbuster actors and actresses to bring on into this X-File series. Um he was already getting backlash for like who he's casting as Mulder and Scully or or whoever's gonna be the main agents. We still don't know if like this is gonna be a full reboot or if agent Mulder and Scully are gonna appear in this show. Like it's still kind of up in the air as to like if this is a total whole new direction for the show or if this is just kind of a continuation of the original show. But with Ryan Kugler at the helm and and him adding these these casts. Uh, you know who actually got cast as one of the agents? The girl from Rooster, the um the one who steps into the Dean's role? The black chick.
SPEAKER_00The black chick? Oh, okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, she's actually playing the main female agent for for, you know. I again I don't know if she's gonna be. So that's fun. I like that, yeah. Her and Petite uh Petiteche light lighter or lamp lighter or something along those lines.
SPEAKER_00Not necessarily that she will play the same role as Rooster, but I mean she's a good actor, so I can be great.
SPEAKER_02So she's she's gonna be playing the female agent role, and then um like I said, I'm not sure if she's gonna be if they're gonna be like the new Mulder in Scully or if they're just gonna be a continuation of it. But um Another thing from uh Marvel is we got this Midnight Universe teaser announced. So before we had gone into the show, um the only thing that had been kind of leaked was the original promo art, and it said the light has its turn, uh had its turn. So from what this seems like, it's going to be their replacement for the ultimate universe that's darker, and it's set in vampires. Like it it looks looks like the crossover that they did last year that we already got, and now they're just gonna do this in in their own universe. So I I I'm not sold on this, and I'm not somebody who's like jumping in on this. The thing that got my attention out of this announcement, and I I haven't um X-Men is gonna be written by Jonathan Hickman again for this series. Those of you guys that that don't know Jonathan Hickman and his X-Men era of Kirkoa is my favorite X-Men era. Um why they ended it before he got to tell his story that he wanted to is up to editorial. Hopefully they don't step on his toes during this and he can do what the fuck he wants during this. I'm hoping that he brings back Kirkkoa and just says fuck it because it's a whole different continuality, so Kirkkoa can still exist and we can kind of still get some stories told around that. That would be fun for me. Um my guy Benjamin Person, the real life Wolverine, is gonna be writing Fantastic Four. Um and Philip Kennedy Johnson is gonna be writing Spider-Man. So those were the three titles that were announced. Again, I have no idea other than the art solicitation that was shown off of Storm as a vampire and Nightcrawler um, you know, with his sword kind of at her back. So that's just kind of the the anticipation of like this is gonna be some sort of vampire universe. I I don't know anything more outside of that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, I think what really caught a lot of people's eyes is Jonathan Hipwing on it, and it it just it looks like a new take on their app uh their version of what an absolute fucking Marvel world would look like.
SPEAKER_02Um it seems like yeah, they're leaning heavy into that supernatural, spooky shit, and instead of like just doing what DC's doing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um and and I'm excited for it. Um, I know a lot of people today were asking me about what what this was and things of that nature, and it's it's all very new to everything. This has just been announced, like little lit, like I think I've seen a post about it two weeks ago, and then today it blew up again because of the John the Hickman thing. So, like, it's all very new. What you see is what I know. So I can't know anything more deeper than than what that is. Um, but yeah, I'm excited for it. It it looks interesting. Um we talk about what's going on with the X-Men so much on this show, and I'm thinking the gods of Marvel are like kind of starting to listen to us a little bit. So hopefully now we've got jumped in.
SPEAKER_02They're not if you're reading the main X-Men books.
SPEAKER_00They're not currently, but going maybe going forward in the future, we you know, we can we can have this be like a days of future past type of scenario and have a better thing. I just don't know.
SPEAKER_02I just don't know if this is the thing to get them, you know. Like, I don't know if this is a vampire universe is the thing that's gonna get people to go read this. Like, especially because like you would think with a vampire universe you'd be leading with a blade book, or you'd be leaning having Morbius or some of the other creatures and monsters involved in it, and you're gonna be able to do that. Yeah, but if the writing's good, we sh we're good. Yeah, that's not always necessarily the case. The concept has to be good for people to be interested in the writing. And like I I'm one of the people that always say at the comic book shop, a writer gets me onto a book nine times out of ten, but this concept also has to be good. So that's what I'm saying. Like, if this is not thought out and not executed well, and this is just a cash grab at them trying to replace the ultimate universe and lean more into like the supernatural sci-fi stuff that the absolute's doing with DC, then we we see it for what it is. But I I am very happy that we get Jonathan Hickman on X-Men in any shape, form, or fashion. Uh, I expect to see a lot of Danny Moonstar in that book. I expect to see a lot of magic. Like he has his characters that he likes in the X-Men universe, and I'm hoping that we get to see more of them, you know, going forward with that. It's it should be fun. Um, I will be in on the X-Men book. I can't guarantee that I'll pick up the other stuff, but the X-Men book with Hickman, um I'm definitely gonna.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I always had the thing about the Spider-Man one. The X-Men one is definitely a definite for me too. And um I'm I I want to get into Fantastic Four as well, but we'll but the X-Men is one is like without a doubt.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I haven't been able to. Like, I've tried getting into the the last couple Fantastic Four runs, and every time I like I pick up a couple issues and I drop it again because it's just I think it's just them at this point. Like I was it's dumb.
SPEAKER_00It's always it's always been dumb, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well but see, like so Hickman's Hickman's Fantastic Four run made it difficult for me to enjoy other Fantastic Four runs because Hickman's run had a beginning, middle, and an end. It ended the Fantastic Four when it was all said and done. Like you have a conclusion of Franklin Richards and Galactus watching the whole universe end and them being the ones to start a new universe together. Like that Galactus is Franklin's Harold, and that's the crazy part. It's like it's not the other way around. So like Hickman whenever I tell people about Fantastic Four, I say just go get the Hickman Omnibus and read it, and that's all you need for Fantastic Four. Like, you never need to pick up another Fantastic Four book when that's all said and done. So I I for me, like the the main line Fantastic Four, I know Ryan North had a fantastic run. Um, I forget who the current writer is on it now that like a lot of people seem to be liking it, but every time I try to pick up a couple issues of it, I'm I'm just like I'm out immediately. It's just it's it's not it doesn't hold.
SPEAKER_00If you're not so much of the sci-fi type of person and into like you know the science of things and all that, it's just the storylines and like I think I think the move it's too extraterrestrial, like it goes too crazy.
SPEAKER_02They're really trying to match them with like their MCU counterparts, and I don't like the MCU Fantastic Four. Like, I didn't like that movie, so yeah, I don't want to see those depictions like in the comics. I'd rather get like the characters that we know, and it seems like you know, the synergy of the corporate is kind of ruining my enjoyment for them. I I do love Finn uh Philip Kennedy Johnson as a writer, so I'm I'm sure he's gonna do a fantastic job uh with Spider-Man, Benjamin Percy. Again, like fantastic writer. A lot of the stuff I read from him is uh a lot of graphic violence stuff, so it's gonna be interesting to see him doing Fantastic Four. It's very possible like this could jump off and this could really garner a lot of interest. Like, like I said, the bread and butter for me is Hickman on X-Men and just getting him on an X-Men book. I don't even care that it's gonna be a vampire universe. I'm still just gonna pick it up because it's Hickman writing X-Men again.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, facts. 1,000%. I agree with you there, buddy.
SPEAKER_02Uh, and and last but not least for this week, uh the great Jack Kirby got a street named after him in New York City. Yeah, on the intersection of Essex and Delancey. Um it's now called Jack Kirby Way, and they also have a Yancey Street sign that they attached to it as well. So it's Jack Kirby Way slash Yancey Street, um, which I thought was perfect. Like, how cool is that in New York City to have a Jack Kirby Way now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know what's crazy?
SPEAKER_02I thought that I thought this was already up, but I guess I guess it just it went up today, but I think the Yancey was well, I think the Yancey Street sign was was was there now for a while, um, but then they they coupled it with the Jack Kirby way on top of it. Okay, maybe that's what it was.
SPEAKER_00I think that was good.
SPEAKER_02I think the Yancey Street sign was done as promo for Fantastic Four, and then they added the Jack Kirby after the fact. Um because the ceremony was this past weekend. They had like a little thing where his family was there and his kids or grandkids got to unveil like the street sign. So I thought that was pretty cool. Um, you know, always great to honor the legends that did so much for comics and for this industry.
SPEAKER_00Facts, facts.
SPEAKER_02There's nobody better than Jack Kirby. That's a fact. Stanley, Stanley only did so much. Jack Kirby was the the the meat and potatoes of it all. Like he was the backbone of Marvel coming out, and and a lot of the characters that we know and love. So it's cool to see you know him getting bestowed that honor. Uh, what did you have this week for comics of the week?
SPEAKER_00So I don't have it with me yet. I wasn't able to it was a busy weekend, didn't get to get to the comic shop. But I am getting my when I do get, I will be picking up definitely the second issue for Daredevil number two. Um and um I think I think that was the only thing on my list. Hi, Stephanie Phillips. Yeah, Stephanie Phillips, yeah. Hi, if you're watching. That was it though, just Daredevil? Yeah, man. That's that's all I know right now. This is how I go. This is how I do my comic shopping. I I I get I know what I'm going in for, and then when I get there, I see whatever I want to pick up from there.
SPEAKER_02But for sure, I in my head, I know I'm getting that. So uh big, big, big issue that came out this week was the storm issue. Uh Awa Deli has been doing a fantastic job with this storm series. They really have taken her out of just being an X-Men character and making her a full embodiment of the Marvel universe. Like she is Queen Omega, she is embodied with magic now and has eternity and all of these things going on. But in this issue, you get the introduction of her daughter. Um, and her daughter is basically there's no father to it. It's uh Wanda Maximoff is is the father of the child or the creator of the child in a way. So we had seen this being teased a couple issues back and finally got the payoff for it. And uh, yeah, so the sorceress supreme helped Storm basically bring her daughter into reality. That's that's basically how that all played out.
SPEAKER_00I thought you were saying that she is her daughter. No, I was about to say no way they're doing that.
SPEAKER_02No, so Wanda helped Storm basically conceive the daughter out of this vision that Storm had. So Storm had seen her daughter. Um, I believe it was during the X-Men crossover at the beginning of the the uh the the this new era, and we finally got the payoff for it with this. So now Storm's daughter is introduced, and she's gonna be part of the Marvel universe going forward. Um, the book of the week, though, for me really was fantastic. Uh, it was Batman number nine, and this is the issue that we had kind of been building up to to set up the Barbara Gordon series that's coming. Uh so Barbara Gordon, spoiler alert. Speaking of spoiler, is in this Stephanie Brown, um, which was great to see her and Duke. But Barbara Gordon ends up being the one who gets taken down in this book and basically gets booked by Vandal Savage. And this is gonna set up the Barbara Gordon breakout series that's coming with her being in prison. Um, I forget who's the one writing the Barbara Gordon series. I have it right here. Uh let's see. Eisner Award-winning writer Mariko Tamaki. I I have never read anything that they've done. Um the artwork for this looks phenomenal for the Gordon, you know, the breakout series. We do get a little we do get a little teaser of like the storyline and how the art is gonna look in the book, and it it does look pretty solid. Right. I I had told you this would have been my preference for how we got Jason Todd back into the Bat Family things is like having him put together the team to go break out Barbara. Like that's a perfect storyline for him to go do, and instead of the Teen Titan stuff, but we're gonna see how this all plays out. We're gonna see how this Barbara Gordon uh mini or or solo plays out. Um and I thought it was basic the the funny part was uh Damien and Bruce basically essentially blow up Wayne Manor. So Vandal Savage has been living in Wayne Manor now for the better part of this series and most of the last series. He kind of seized all the Wayne assets and has been living in in Wayne Manor. And the book ends with before a barber gets picked up, Damien and and Bruce blow the whole entire manor up. So the they're starting completely from scratch, ground up. Um it's gonna be interesting to see like where this book continues to go, but I've really enjoyed the series. Uh Matt Fraction is doing an incredible job, and the the artwork is just phenomenal. So definitely recommend picking up. Yeah, I don't know if he did this issue. I think it was a filling artist. Uh Sook was the artist, I believe, on this one. Yeah. Yeah, but it was still still fantastic.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, so that would be the other one that's probably waiting for me in my drawer right now. Cause I do have that on on hold. So yeah, I'll definitely get that in Daredevil and whatever else I see going forward. But the Stormwood sounds interesting. Does that connect with the new X-Men that's going on right now?
SPEAKER_02And then the other question is that's the Stormwood's not an X-Men character currently. She's an Avenger. Okay. So that's what I'm saying about them about them taking her out of the X-Men role. She's been a mainstay in the main Avengers book, and then has her own solo that's going on. Uh, there is only one more issue of this solo before it wraps up. So this was supposed to be an ongoing series, and then they they changed their mind and made it uh a limited series to five issues. So next issue is the last issue of this. I don't know what's gonna happen going forward with Storm after that point or like where she's gonna be involved in, but they they've set her up now as basically the replacement for Captain Marvel in like the hierarchy. Like, I would say she's at that level now where like she is the female face of the Avengers when you when you look at this new Avengers lineup.
SPEAKER_00And and so my other question was didn't is there a date when we're supposed to get that breakout um uh Barbara Gordon series?
SPEAKER_02I believe it starts next month. Or it could actually even start at the end of this month because they gave us the preview, so it it might actually be um like next week, it might start. I know this and and New Titans is the are the two books that are supposed to be starting up uh May. So at the end of this month, this will be coming out sometime more than likely, probably next week. Like I said, now that this issue's out, more than likely next week. So yeah. Do you have anything that you've been watching?
SPEAKER_00Um so this week um totally went off rails of what I've known my normal stuff, but I actually been watching um the Kevin Hart funny as fuck series. Um it's like basically like his he's trying to find a new group of comedians, and he's going throughout like New York, com um, LA, and all these different places, and you basically you're fighting for a spot to move on to the next round to then eventually you will get your own Netflix special. Okay. And um it's been pretty funny because you know, for me, I I don't find Kevin Hart to be as funny as he used to be, and he says that a lot in in the show of like how he, you know, his time is up, he's already fucking rich and shit. Like he's he's trying to find the next star to to to to blow up or whatever.
SPEAKER_02He's got a lot of stuff coming with Netflix too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so he also I also watched The Roast yesterday too, and we'll talk about that in a second. Um, so he um yeah, so he tells that to everybody, and um it it's been interesting to see some of these comedians from different places um you know tell their jokes, and and I'm getting put on to new comedians at the same time. So it's it's it's it's a dope show. I I recommend it. And then obviously, yeah, I said, uh, what were you gonna say?
SPEAKER_02Uh they're filming like a bunch of Netflix's joke stuff currently. So like they're I think all this week there's like all kinds of stuff going on in LA where like they're just filming special after special after special, and like Kevin Hart's been a big part of like all of it. So Oh nice. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, so then I seen the freaking uh roast yesterday, and uh I caught it right when Cat Williams was leaving, so I missed that whole freaking section. So then I ended up having to I I watched it on X and I and I seen some clips or whatever, but right after that, we have to do it. I didn't watch it yet. Oh, you didn't? Okay, so I'm not even gonna spoil what happens.
SPEAKER_02No, I mean you can. I don't care. I I don't even know if I'm going to watch it. I'm not a Kevin Hart fan. So for me, it's just if Nicky Glazer's there, I'll watch it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But basically what I was gonna say was um one of the surprise guests that came out was the rock. And he helped and he helped and he indulged in the roasting as well. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it it was coming back to do Jamanji Jumanji 4 or 3 or whatever at the end of the year.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they they so they said some jokes about that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, it was fun.
SPEAKER_02Um I watched um I watched Send Help yesterday. Um the Rachel McAdams.
SPEAKER_00That's been on my yeah, that's been on my to-do list.
SPEAKER_02It was okay. Um I just I I just threw it on and kind of had it on. Um I rated it like 1.5 on Letterboxd. It for me, it was just kind of it was okay. Like it wasn't anything special.
SPEAKER_00Um Sam Ramsey, so like he does sometimes.
SPEAKER_02I feel like Sam Ramsey, yeah. Um and I really like that Dylan kid from Maze Runner and all those movies. Um, he was originally like up for Spider-Man, but it was between him and Tom Holland, and Tom Holland ended up getting it over him. But um, I every time I see him, I always like think of him for superhero roles. I'm like, who else could this kid play? Because like he is a good actor. Um Rachel McAdams is great in the movie. Uh she kind of plays like a nerdy secretary that like, you know, knows all these survival things and and you know. Kind of knows all these things because she's been trying to get on Survivor and like just gets mistreated, and then the plane crashes on this desert island, and it's just the two of them that survive. So all this stuff ensues and plays out, and uh it was a fun little back and forth, but ultimately you kind of knew like where the movie was going when it was all said and done. So it was it was cool. Um yeah, that that's the only thing I've pretty much checked out this week. Um, I still have like other books from this past week that I still have to read. I've just been slacking, I've had so much going on this week that I just haven't seen a chance.
SPEAKER_00So well, that's how I've that's how I was this week, and I didn't even get to time to go to the store. But this is okay because I I I do have a backlog still, like, so it's it's all good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm usually pretty good with like keeping up on them week to week, but this week I have I still have free comic books stuff stuff, uh free comic book day stuff that I didn't get to read, and then I have like a stack of stuff that I I still have to get to. But yeah, uh Batman and Storm were were my two that I I did get to read from this week. Oh, yeah, but that'll do it for another episode of Talk Coops. If you made it this far, please make sure to like, comment, subscribe, uh, give us a follow, give us a review on Spotify, Apple, uh, wherever you're listening. Like I said at the beginning of the show, it always helps. It always helps bring in new people. Um, we've been watching the the the Spotify and Apple music essentially like really take off with like new subscribers every week. YouTube, we we gotta kind of get the traffic there, but hopefully, um, you know, as the podcast continues to grow, the YouTube channel will continue to grow as well. But all thanks to the help of all of you. So thank you very much, and please continue to spread the word about the show.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah, we got tons of movies coming out. Uh, we didn't, real quick before we do like wrap up the episode. Um, we do have like the Odyssey trailer. Did you get a chance to watch that? Or no?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so when I went to Mortal Kombat, I'd seen it and I was like, Okay, these features, these look new, so it was dope.
SPEAKER_02A lot of people, it got a lot of flack and a lot of backlash from people about the fact that they're using English accents, the fact that there's people speaking American, you know, English, there's the fact the fact that the Cyclops looks different, the fact that um uh uh what's her name? The actress from Black Panther that plays the Dora Melaje, she is Helen of Troy, and so that caused a stir for people. So there's there's a lot of like different things in this movie, and like I I don't know what you're expecting out of a Chris like Christopher Nolan assembled an all-star cast, he's gonna kill this movie.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, the actors in this are amazing, so why does that stuff even matter?
SPEAKER_02Just because it's diverse and just because he changed some stuff around doesn't mean that it's not gonna deliver because that trailer looks fucking amazing. Um so yeah, I just just wanted to touch upon that real quick. I I had planned to talk about it as like one of the topics, but we didn't get a chance to get to it today.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, so good. But yeah, that'll do it for real this time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're wrapping up now. Uh thank you. Thank you so much for tuning in, and uh, we'll see you guys next week. Peace. Peace.