The Mandalorian & Grogu BREAKDOWN

Episode 20 we Talk N Star wars and the new mando and grogu movie  exploring character development, plot points, and missed opportunities. Join us as we break down scene by scene, share insights, and discuss what could have been done better. Character arcs, and the future of the franchise. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Talkin' Supes. I'm Ed from Ways of the Sith.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

I'm on They Got You. What's going on?

SPEAKER_00 0:08

What's going on? And we're back here for another week. This week, we we've been talking about it. We've been hyping it up for the past, I don't know how many episodes, probably since the debut episode of this show. Um but we finally got the Mandalorian and Grogu. So we're gonna spend a majority of this episode talking about Mandalorian and Grogu. Um we're gonna break it down scene by scene, give our thoughts, give our opinions on you know what we thought of the movie, how we liked it, what could have been better, what could have been done differently, and uh yeah, we'll go from there. So uh first things first, overall quick thought. Like, what was your your your thought about the movie? Did you enjoy yourself? Yeah, did you not enjoy it?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

What was the I'll give my my first thoughts of the movie? Um, okay, but more on the positive side. I overall I love the soundtrack to this movie. I thought this soundtrack was very like I was grooving the whole time. Like, that's the one thing that stuck out to me a lot. The soundtrack.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Um did a great job and had some beats.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Yeah. Exactly. That's probably why I liked it too. But um that and the action in this movie was top tier. Like, this was there was some crazy action scenes uh that that I haven't seen in Star Wars pretty much ever, really. I just it was almost like John Wick was like implemented into the universe with what the stuff they were doing in this. Um, and then other than that, um I thought it was a really good time. Um, it's gonna be a really great blockbuster, I think, for families to go and see. And you know, the kiddos are really, really gonna like this one. Um, but overall, yeah, it was it was a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

I I enjoyed it. I had fun. Um, it did what it needed to do. Star Wars in a movie theater took me out for two hours and I was able to just chill. Um I do have a couple things that we'll talk about throughout the movie. Um otherwise, I I do I do it, I did enjoy it. I'm going to see it again at some point, whether I go tonight or tomorrow to go see it again. Um but yeah, I did I did have fun. I that that's all I really needed it to do for me, essentially. Okay, that's fair. But um, let's just start like with the opening of the movie. So the opening of the movie is the raid on the AT that we saw in a lot of the trailer footage, a lot of the the behind the scenes footage. Um if you got to see the early 20 minutes, this was the essential scene that you saw was Mando basically coming in on a chicken walker against all these ATs and just taking down everything.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Um I love I love this opening scene.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I thought this opening scene was like literally fantastic. I love seeing him come to the AT. I love seeing um the dude like knowing that that was in the second AT, like knowing that he was fucked in that moment. He's like he made it through the whole the whole caravan of people, and he's at my door, breaking his way through the door currently. Like, I am fucked. And then you watch the whole AT like just go and kind of that was that.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Um not only that too, but the scene before that when the uh the dude who he initially came to co go and kill, how he was talking to everybody in like that meeting, and right when he knew Amando was about to come through that room threw everybody a gun, yeah. That was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

He was like and was like, you guys lay down cover fire, and none of them laid down cover fire, they just all got a subdivision. Um, I don't know what happened to any of those people. I don't know if they ended up getting killed on the the AT or not. That wasn't really specified or shown. But I love the fact that like he pursues the guy, the guy gets out, um, gets in the escape pod, and basically Bando just blows up the escape pod and calls it a fucking day. And so that mission's done. He heads back to a Delphi base, and we meet Sigourney Weaver for the first time. So um I I liked her character in this. I would have liked a little bit more from her character in this, I think. I think my my main thing was that there was no conflict in this movie whatsoever um between her, between Mando and Grogu, between anything that kind of like earned the ending of the show. Um, I guess there was one little conflict, which we'll talk about a little later in the movie. Um initially now we're introduced to Sigourney Weaver, she's heading up the these missions that Mando's on. We basically get to see all of the Star Wars directors inside make their first cameo of this movie, which they made many. Um if you were looking for cameos in this movie, the only cameos you got were all of the Star Wars directors. So Deborah Chow, uh Rick Famaway, Dave Faloney makes multiple cameos in this movie, and um somebody else was there too. Another one of the directors was was in those scenes. Uh, we also saw Doug Chang, who works on Star Wars, a long time you know, prop designer, one of the geniuses at Star Wars. He was in Adelphae squad. Um, we basically find out that Sigourney Weaver's giving Din this itinerary, this like Rolodex of targets to go take down. And she gives him the ace card, and as proposition for going to take this ace card, she basically gives him a brand new razor crest, and that's how we see that Din ends up with the brand new ship, which was which was cool, cool way of doing it. Like, all right, here we're gonna pay you up front for going on this mission and working with the huts, knowing that you're you're probably not gonna want to, or it's not something that you're gonna want to do.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Right. And yeah, like you said, like although that was a really cool thing that she did, um, I I wish I would have had more of like and the movie does this a lot where they just they just put you in situations without giving you a more proper background of how this happened, and this is one of those things where I wish we would got like more of like a background of like how she was able to do that, and she does and just their relationship too.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Like, yeah, we don't get any setup for like their relationship, but she does explain where they got the razor crest from. She says they seized it from an Imperial Warlord who had like a bunch of vintage ships. This was something basically they refurbished it, and here it is, it's a stock one. So this doesn't have the Carbonite chamber that Din's originally had built into it. This is a stock razor crest, like off the factory lot. Um so Din Din's already making changes to it, it brings in the Anzelans later on in the movie to make some changes to it already, um, to start making being able to be like up to his specifications. Um Zeb right away is just like, come on, let's go take a look at it. And fucking Zeb's like got his bag, he's ready to fucking go, and and it seems like they've been working together quite some time. Again, that's not something that's really established and laid out. It's just kind of Zeb's been helping mango with a lot of these missions and like being his drop-off and pickup for a lot of them. So that's that's been like and that's it. And and that's it, yeah. Um, he does participate later on, but for the most part, like that's that's all we got. Um, there was no inclination as to whether this is taking place during Ahsoka season one, um, whether this is after Ahsoka season one. There's no time of reference for this movie, which is something that I would have liked to see. There, there's no connectivity for anything. They don't they don't call back to anything from previous Mando seasons. The only thing that they call back to is that I can bring you in warm or I can bring you in cold. That's the only call back to like previous seasons.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

There's no mention of Bo Katan, there's no mention of Mandalore, there's no mention of Yeah, and I guess because they're able to play in the they're able, they're in the middle of like the universe, so they're able to play around with like the timeline and stuff like that because there's this should have been established where where this took place.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

This this should have there should have been some sort of frame of reference to um, you know, what else is going on in the galaxy? What is going on, right? All that we know is Din is hunting the warlords down, and and we saw this Shadow Council at the end of Mando season three. So um both of these guys that appear in the movie are are both people that were shown in that Shadow Council scene. So they are people that we've seen before, they're just not big bads. There's there's really the big bad of this movie, is essentially the twins. Um the whole setup is that Sigourney Weaver basically gives him the Razorcrest in exchange for going to find Rada the Hutt for the twins. Uh apparently the twins put out this bounty and put the whole thing in motion. So now Din begrudgingly doesn't work for the Huts, wasn't somebody who ever worked for the Huts because he wanted to avoid them. Um he ends up going to Nalhutta, meeting, meeting with the twins. Uh they had beef in the Boba Fett season, so like the the whole thing that took place between the Pikes and Chrysanton and everything on Tatooine was part of the twins. Um so they did have like a previous history with one another. So you kind of already knew that like they really couldn't be trusted going into this this show. Um going into this movie and going into this situation. Movie, yeah. I get it. So the whole setup is they want Rada, um, they want their nephew back, he's the rightful heir to the throne. Really, they just want to kill Rada. That's essentially like the plot line, is they want Rada because they want to take him out so they can run the whole hut cartel and not have anybody to compete with. Um suck being a hut man. Din Din takes the the mission, ends up going to uh this other planet, and finds out that Rada is a gladiator on this planet. Now, the the character that he meets is played by Martin Scorsese, and Martin Scorsese did a fantastic job playing the uh it's the same creature that John Favreau played in solo, and they're actually related. So Rio is his name in solo, and um I forget what this one's name is that Martin Scorsese played, but they are related. They are Favro did come out and say that like the characters are purposely related. So I thought that was fun.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Um, I would have liked to see a lot more of his character. Like, I would have liked to see his character be involved in the breakout of Rada or be involved in like helping them escape.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Um find them. Yeah, um find Rada.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Especially because like Din paid him like fuck it, they need a pilot. Uh that's what Ryo was. Like in solo, it would have made sense to like kind of incorporate that character a little bit more in, especially like meeting him the way we did. Um but he but he was definitely fun. Um, we're introduced to Rada, played by Jeremy Allen White, and I gotta say, I was way more impressed with Rada than I thought I was going to be. Um, I really liked Jeremy Allen. I see, I really liked his portrayal. I liked the fact that in the face of Rada, they made him look like Jeremy Allen White. So, like the the the facial expressions and the eyes and and the everything like looked like Jeremy Allen White. So to me, I I like that. I I liked his portrayal. It took me a little bit to get into it, um, but after I did, I did.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Yeah, I just thought it was a little weird, like at first, because when they first pull up on him, he's getting like a massage, and then he's like his his attitude was was not what I was expecting. It was almost like the same, I had the same feeling when we watched Fantastic Four, and it was like a real monotone, like oh like real humanized type of like character, which is when he's not. So like at first ever thought it was weird, especially when he's like, Oh, I'm I need I need to sign a contract to to get to this next to get to get on to the next fight. My contract is up, or something like that. He said, I was like, What am I watching? Like, this is not even Star Wars. Now, this now this is a not a good thing, it's not a bad thing, but it's also like it's just a weird thing, just like because I've never seen Star Wars in this in this light before. So it just felt really weird.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

See, I didn't I didn't mind any of this. I it took me a little while just to get into the character at that point and find out where he was because the last time we had seen Rada, he was a baby, and we see the men cat that uh that John Favreau painted uh showed to Din when he's visiting the twins. So we got to see the the baby rata, you know, that John Favreau painted himself. So I thought that was cool. Um shout out to Rob, my buddy Toxic Collector. He's got them available for sale. You can visit him at Toxic Collector and order one for yourself, which is pretty cool. Um, he's got them in small sizes and one one scale sizes. So if you want a baby rata hut, make sure to hit him up and kill him. Um But so for me, it was that we hadn't known like what was going on with Rada throughout this whole time. All that we knew is that you know, Jabba died. We we didn't know what happened to the kid, where he ended up, and apparently he ended up in the fight pits as a way to basically get away from his aunt and uncle. Um we come to find out. And you see how he didn't want to go back either. That was that was like that they were gonna try to that he didn't want any part of the the Huck cartel. He wanted to be a different man than his father, and I thought that was a very important thing for the character. Um, Jabba was a ruthless, you know, crime boss. Well, just huts in general, they're just ass assholes like and killed a lot of people, like like Jabba though ruled the galaxy, like he was in charge of not only the Huck cartel, but he was in charge of Tatooine for a long time. So, like, and and as we established in this movie, the huts lived for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. So imagine how long that rule of Jabba was and and the the the the chaos that he created. So the fact that Rada immediately like didn't want to be like his father, wanted to do something totally different for me was was really cool. Um I like that there were some things of him not bringing up Ahsoka, not bringing up Anakin, especially later on in the movie, like when he finds out that Goku is a Jedi. To me, that was like a oh, how did we not even get like a name drop of like, oh, I this girl Ahsoka saved me when I was a kid, and then Dim would have been like, Oh, I know Ahsoka. Boom, like your relationship just becomes even better, I think, at that point, and it would have been a building block for them to like kind of forge that relationship a little bit better than they already did. Um I I there were parts of like this that I didn't care for. Um I thought we I thought we went back like the whole scene of Din coming to the jail cell should have been the one and only time we were at the jail cell. We shouldn't have done the whole the whole other layout of him going to the war criminal to try to buy out the contract only to come back to the jail cell to get captured. Yeah, that was just like a lot of expensive vision that like didn't need to take place. Um, I understand why we did it, but why Din didn't put two and two together that that guy was the Imperial Warlord that they were looking for? Like that was kind of a because even Rada's just like you met him, Janu, he's the guy you're looking for, and it's like, oh, okay. Um so that all takes place. Rada and Din end up in the gladiator pit fighting the chessboard game from the original trilogy. That's the same thing. Yeah, I thought that was really cool. What they were fighting, those are the creatures, that's the chessboard, all the pieces from that chessboard they were in the gladiator pit with. Um I like this. I like Din having to fight Rada at first. It it was also interesting to see how Rada moved. Rada was a lot more. I thought he was gonna like so in in the aftermath books, there's Gardoula of the Hut, and you come to find out that she's like incredibly fast, but she's more like snake-like, like she moves like a snake. Rada was like a lot of arm movements, uh, and it was like a lot of using his arms to gallop and then using his lower body, like rather than like not what I would have pictured, you know what I mean? For for them them interacting the way they did.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Um yeah, he's like a bulldog, like he's all arms and upper body strength, just pulling himself around like that.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

And that's like how he was moving, he was like using his arms to go. Um so that was interesting for me. I didn't necessarily expect that, you know what I mean? Like that was something totally unexpected. The the and what after the fact, Favro did say like they they brought in Guillermo del Toro, because originally Guillermo del Toro was going to do a job at the hut movie at one point, um, and a boba fett thing. Okay. So uh they actually brought in Guillermo and asked him how he thought the huts would move and and how the movements would go. And so Guillermo del Toro helped them with that whole sequence of like how Rada was gonna fly around, how he was gonna go. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that's dope. Like based off creature movies. That's basically they used his expertise on like creatures and monsters to you know how the hut would move.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

That that that is dope, but I didn't I didn't know that fun fact. But it's also uh fun, it's also crazy to see like most of the huts are like fat and they just slug around and stuff like that. So, like, well, not even slug around, they don't even move. So, like seeing him being the only one.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

You saw them in in all the bunkers and stuff when Din was walking in, like they're just chilling in their fucking in like innect, you know, situations. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

So seeing Rada be like all like Aki basically was like, well, that makes sense because this guy's in a freaking uh fighter uh pen uh pen all the time, and you know, he you would you would you're gonna gain muscle doing that. So yeah, that was that was dope to like see that to see him look like that.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

So they they go through that whole thing. Din and Mando basically team up to take on all the monsters once they do. Din basically beats Rada but then yields, which was interesting. So he got he gets Rada out of his contract technically, but then you know, obviously the tides turn, they end up fighting against all the monsters and end up breaking out, which was which was a cool thing to see them have to team up with one another and you know escape and and get out of the situation. Um we end up finding out from Rada at that point, they go through their little high-speed chase on the speeder, and Rada tries to evade, and Zeb ends up coming down and and getting Rada. Um, that was an interesting like sequence that again I didn't necessarily need, but it took place. Um they get Rada on the ship, they basically tell Rada, you know, they're gonna take him in, but then Rada tells him, like, John who's the guy you're looking for, like the guy you met with is the Imperial Warlord. So now they go check out his place, they come to see that all the stormtroopers are there, and like, oh shit, yeah, this is the Imperial Warlord that we're after. Um, this was cool because we got to actually see Zeb in action with his bow staff and bow rifle uh switching between modes, between staff and between rifle. Absolutely love that. I thought Zeb looked really phenomenal in this movie. There were maybe one or two instances where his movements didn't really like look good. It looked very CGI, but then other moments where you'd get close up on his face, you'd see like the follicles of the hair on his face, and like it looked really lifelike. Um, Steve Bloom did a fantastic job as Zeb, as always. So it was just cool to have him incorporated into this movie, even though he didn't really play that big of a role. This was probably his biggest moment in the entire movie was this whole sequence. But yeah, it would have been cool, I think, to have, and and I think this was my one gripe from the movie is Din and Grogu, Grogu not being able to talk, Din just kind of talking to himself and not having a character to go back off of is something that for for me, as time goes on, I think you're gonna need to have Grogu talk sooner than later. Um, there's another instance later on that we'll talk about that really bothered me with Grogu not being able to talk, and like I felt like the whole scene was just kind of like, all right, can we move this along now? Because this is just kind of goo-goo gaga stuff with him back and forth. Um, so I do feel Zeb being more of a role in this movie and like being on the entire mission with him from start to finish kind of would have been a better thing, only to have Mando have somebody to go off of. It's it's unfortunate that the Gina Carano thing didn't take place sooner because this would have been a perfect movie for Kara Dune to be part of the whole mission and have her be involved in all of this, and again, have Din actually have another character, another actor to to bounce off of back and forth throughout the movie. Um so yeah, some of this stuff did did lack for me in this book.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

I I do like that this that was one of my biggest things that for people who don't know the the the like the rebels or even some of the clone war stuff, like I feel like those people were like kind of get left out because it's like if you don't know Zeb, you don't know who Zeb is really. So it's like you see him with with you, you see him with with Mando and doing the stuff, and you're just like who's this guy? And like I mean you see him at the end of uh of the season of Mandalorian, but I mean if you don't like I said, if you don't know about the other stuff, then you're you're lost right now. So like and then they didn't give him no introduction of like what they've been doing together, why are they so close now, doing these missions and stuff. It I just felt like that was a that was a missed opportunity because even for myself, because like I said, I've never watched all of Rebels either. So it's like I I know the character, but I don't know the characters, like real personality and things like that. So he he just seemed like he was just a guy. It wasn't just a guy, because I know he's important, so but it was just like I don't know, it didn't hit to me. I know it probably would hit somebody like you or or anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

So yeah, he doesn't really play as much of a big role in the movie as he should. This was probably his biggest role was during this this Fighting scene, which was very cool. Like I said, getting to see him. Um, you got to actually see him wearing Callus's jacket, which I thought was cool. So his boyfriend's jacket, um, he was wearing at one point during the the movie, which was a cool little Easter egg. Um basically they capture the warlord, they get out of there, and they bring the warlord back to a Delphi. Um, Sigourney Weaver, this is where I thought we were getting the heel turn from Sigourney Weaver because she did seem like, oh, you fucked up by bringing bringing the warlord here. And so, like, she had this look on her face, and I thought this was gonna be some sort of conflict or something here where it would have led to something more, but it didn't, unfortunately. Um, so she's just okay, whatever. You get this really great scene of Din like walking out of a Delphi base and looking over the map over the the rocks and seeing Rada playing with Grogu. And Rada and Grogu's relationship, the the similarities between them are really cool, especially if you remember the Clone Wars movie. If you saw Rada as a kid with Ahsoka and that whole interaction, and now seeing this with Grogu and him, I think they did a good job showing you that. It would have been nice to get that exposed a little more. Like I said, one little mention of Ahsoka, one little mention of Anakin, just to tie it all together, and Din would have been like, Oh, we know Ahsoka. Oh, you know Ahsoka too. Boom. Now they're best friends. Like now it just it just makes so much more sense. They really shied away from any kind of connectivity to anything in this movie. Yeah, I don't know what it is. That was one thing. Um, it almost seemed like they were afraid to take the big swing. Um if you were looking for a movie to push Star Wars forward, this this this wasn't it. This was just a fun adventure of Mando and Grogu. They did they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

It's just like I feel like this movie is just a uh a placeholder for what they want to do not coming out, and they just don't know what they want to do because they're wanting to know what the fan response is gonna be, and they they haven't received that in forever, so they're just like they're playing the cards super close. Yeah, so and that was just one of the things that I couldn't I couldn't do I didn't like about the movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Um, so we do end up going back to Navarro for the first time. We get to see Mando's homestead, which we left off at the end of season three seeing. We actually got to see the inside of it this time and see like the whole shape of it, not just the front. Uh, we do see that the the starfighter is parked outside, so he does now have two ships. He's got the star the still got the new boo starfighter and has now the new Razorcrest. Um, this would have been where we probably would have seen Grief Carga had he not passed away. Um I I really feel like Carl Withers would have been in this show, I mean in this movie, right here at this point when we went back to Navarro, he would have been the one like welcoming him back, finding out what happened. Probably would have been the one to usher usher Rada out of there with the gunrunnership. This was another missed opportunity for me. I thought for sure, with the gunrunnership coming in, that it would have been Hondo. Um, Hondo, the the tie-in is with the ride for Galaxy's Edge. So I thought for sure this would have been the Hondo cameo, and then again, we would have had a character for Din to play off of in the finale, like the the final parts of this movie. If Hondo was the one who crash landed on now, HUDA with Rada, you would have had somebody for Fernando to kind of play off of and like escape with. And I think that would have been better to instead of just kind of the nuance of like him talking to himself. Um, instead, it's just a droid. We have no connection to Hondo, that it's one of Hondo's ships, that it's anything. My assumption that it is Hondo, um, that would be the the most likely candidate for a gun runner that Din would know at this point in time. Um according to Canon, Hondo would be in Batuu at this point, so he would already be running his or his shipping organization out of Batu. So it would make sense timeline-wise. Um basically Embo shows up on Navarro and is tracking down Mando. No, no, again, this was like something else. Like Andy had gripes with the Zeb stuff. There was no reference to Embo. Embo said no nothing in the entire movie, he had no lines of dialogue. Um, if you didn't know who Embo was, you you didn't know who Embo was, he wasn't even called by his name in the movie by the twins, he was called by his species name. So this was to me, this if they thought Embo was gonna like step in here and be the big bad, like I I was kind of like very disappointed with Embo overall in this movie. I was just kind of like, he was kind of wasted. There was kind of no real point. He he comes in intimidating, captures Din, captures one of the Anzelans, his dog ends up taking one of the Anzelans, and Din and one of the Anzelans end up getting brought back to Nalhutta. Um the Anzelans have their little speeder that they were traveling around on Navarro with that they were doing the repairs on the Razorcrest, and then they end up having their own little spaceship that can travel throughout the galaxy, and it's the cutest little fucking shit.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

It's the most adorable thing. I can't even freaking lie.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Like their little speeder was fucking awesome that they came riding in on the side. And they were they were booting on that thing. I was like, who is that? That shit was funny. Um, so yeah, and then they have their little ship. So they basically track down and go to Nalhutta to to go rescue their their their brother and to rescue Mando. Um so you have that going on. Meanwhile, Din gets taken in front of the twins. We have that scene that we talked about last week where his helmet gets removed, and uh basically the twins say, you know, we're gonna we're gonna embarrass you now, we're gonna sell your mark your helmet on the black market, it's worth more than it is. This is more worth it for us because we're we're taking your pride, you know, and your your clan will disown you and all of this. Not knowing they obviously don't know like what he went through in season three already with the whole helmet. So it's a it's a soft subject for him. He he doesn't really want to bring it up. Um, but yeah, so we go through all of that. Uh Din basically gets dropped into the pit because apparently all the huts have trapdoors in their their hideouts. That's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I was like, how do they have one too?

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Like monster, some big monster. Like so Jabba had the Rancor, they have uh these these the dragon snake, I think they call it? Well, yeah, that they had the dragon snake, but first there were these things called Moloch. Oh, those other things. And and yeah, those they were in there and Din Din took them down all pretty quick, but then fucking uh the the the the dragon snake fucking came out, and that was the the thing he had to contend with.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Um if it wasn't for for go ahead, you wanna say it, but no, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Uh so basically Grogu and the Anzelans, they find the one Anzelan that escaped, he shows them where Din is, and Grogu and the Anzelans make their way through the pipes and the tunnels to go break Mando out. Um Grogu uses Luckily one of the thermal detonators because Din did show him how to use the thermal detonators. And yeah, this was a funny scene. It was a funny scene because he just bangs on the wall and he holds it up, and Din's just like fuck and he's he presses it and boom blows the whole fucking thing off. Um so I thought that was great. And there was a funny scene um that takes place with like a swamp rat, a womp rat in the tunnel, and like the rat like is trying to eat one of the babus, and Grogu pulls out his little fucking uh bracelet and then shoots it in the face. And then later on in the movie, when they're having their raid on now Hutta, the babu fricks intentionally take out that womp rat later. So, like, out of all the things they they shoot at, they shoot at the womp rat and they end up killing that womp rat later on in the movie, which I thought was like a funny Easter egg. Like, if you remembered, they intentionally went back to kill that womp rat. Um so yeah, Din goes through fighting the dragon snake and ends up getting poisoned by it. Um ends up getting nicked by one of its teeth and is is poisoned essentially. This is probably my least favorite part of the movie. Um, is we Din basically gets brought back to the Babu Fricks ship. Grogu, still being young, doesn't realize that Din can't fit in the ship with them, that the ship's too big for Din to actually go on. So Din basically at this point says goodbye to Grogu and tells sends him on his way, tells him to go with the Babu Frick's and get the fuck out of here. Um Din kind of knew he was dying with the poison and was cool with it. So, like this was gonna be his big sacrifice. Grogu was gonna go off with the Anzelans, Din would have died here. Um but Grogu Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah, that Lynn. This is this is one of my things with the movie, is that like they they're like too afraid to take the risk and do the thing. So they're like, so then we get to the next scene where basically Grogu is just taking care of him the whole time, but it's just like we're showing me this is what's gonna happen when he dies. So it's like you're prepping me he's gonna he's he's gonna die, but and this is how Grogu's gonna have to learn. But it's just like Well, we never know when that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

So like because so I think you're missing a little bit of this. Um, the whole point of that scene was to basically show that how much further Grogu's evolved now since since the original show. It was to show that Grogu could take care of himself now. He he he knows enough now and has learned enough from Din that and the way of being a Mandalorian that like he can take care of himself, which he does. Um there's a lot of references to Yoda, there's a lot of ties to his species, the fact that he builds the hut the same way Yoda built his hut, the fact that he walks around with a stick like Yoda did, um, the fact that he's doing his meditation and doing all of the stuff that he was taught by Luke to do. So you're you're seeing that Grogu is evolving and Grogu is growing into his power. Um it's coming. We just didn't kind of get an exploration of that in this movie at all. That was one of the things. Um, this would have been a perfect opportunity for me in this in this scenario to get either a Yoda Force Ghost, um either a vision while Grogu was was meditating. Something something more than what we got. Um I feel like if him having the connect talking to Yoda at this point would have been a great thing because then we would have had some exposition more about who Grogu is, maybe a little bit of information that we've been lacking from this story. Um even him unlocking like a memory from the temple, that's something Yoda taught him, something Yadel taught him, something he remembered from one of the lessons in order to heal heal Din, I think would have been the much better route. I did like the scene uh where he he builds the hut, he puts Din in, but Din was too big for the hut, and he he just pushes him a couple times and just you keep hearing the helmet hit against the wall, and then he's instead of extending the hut, he just covers his feet up and just kind of leaves him.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

I thought that was funny, but the rest of the It was funny, but it's also like when are we gonna get like serious with Grogu? Like, I I love these parts, like I really freaking do, like I love them, but I need more explanation with Grogu like and so like the cute stuff is not gonna be cute for too long.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

This is where I felt like that exposition could have came. It very him meditating, seeing Yoda, talking to Yoda, boom, we get how to heal din, and we move on with the storyline. Instead, we got we got the creature that we were talking about from the trailer that we saw. It ends up being the guy from Dune that plays the prophet in Dune. Um he voiced voiced the creature. He ends up just being like a creature that lives in the woods here, and Grogu was stealing one of his fish, and he heard about Din and Embo and knew that Din got bit by the fucking dragon snake and knew how to make the antidote and basically just says, Okay, here, here's the antidote and go. So I could have done without this whole entire thing. This this whole entire part of the movie for me was where it really lacked and and really kind of dragged, and and I really would have liked this whole section of the movie to move along a little quicker. I didn't need the whole din getting bit by the thing and like the poison scenario, especially if you weren't gonna have anything come of it. Like I thought this is where maybe we would have powered up Grogu, maybe we would have elevated him, maybe we would have had that Yoda interaction or some sort of more information regarding Grogu because we don't have that. And I feel like that was lacking from this part of the movie. True.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

The other thing, too, is that one, I forgot that he can even heal. So when I saw him healed uh his his cut, I thought that was I I was shocked by that. But then I was like, but you you know he's still bleeding, so I think you did that the right way.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

The venom was still um and then the whole thing. He he he healed him, but the venom was already taking its way. He's he didn't know how to remove the venom, and that's what I was saying about if we would have gotten if here they would have used this to him meditating and having a conversation with Yoda and Yoda or like a flashback to the Jedi Temple of Yoda teaching a lesson about how to heal something with poison and how to extract the poison out using the force, and now Grogu goes and uses the force to heal him and take the poison out. That would have been a much cooler thing than than what we got in this scenario. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Basically, and then second thing is one one thing. Well, second thing was that you know, we talked about for months on the pod about you know the guy who was like saying that we talked about that gave him the anecdote, uh like he might be the oldest, like uh train uh master or whatever. But like when not then these these were all assumptions from us, so I it's it's I guess it's on me to to assume that that was what's gonna happen. But it was still like yeah, like I thought this was gonna be the guy where we finally get the thing because from what we've seen in lore and looking at what we're seeing on the trailer, it it's one-to-one, so you're like, what the heck? So, you know, and throughout all of uh what's it called Mandalorian's like series, there there's always been a connective tissue with another character in the show in the show from the Star Wars universe. So I would imagine because we're in prime time right now, we're at the on the biggest screen that we would get something like that, and we did it, and he was just a guy that lives on a swamp. I mean, that was that was that was that was a little lackluster for me.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

And so all of this could have been cut from the movie for me. This whole area, this whole section of the movie was really uh uh what I felt brought down a lot of the the the part of my theater. I I don't know how your showing was. I there was only about 10 to 15 people in my showing. It there wasn't a lot of yeah, it was about there was one group of kids who I didn't hear make a peep the entire movie, I didn't hear them laugh, I didn't hear them do anything. So I I feel like my audience was a bad judge of like how this movie was actually performing one way or another. Um there was the this next section, I feel like was the moment that a lot of people were anticipating Grogu was finally gonna talk and then he doesn't, and they set it up where like the camera pans to him, you think he's gonna say his first words, and then he doesn't, and my whole theater groaned when it happened. Um because Din basically asks him, you know, um, are we are do we go? Do we do we basically just get on the ship and get the fuck out of here while we can? Or do we go back and save Rada and kill the huts? And and like he looks at Grogu, and you were kind of waiting for Grogu to like give a response and and answer back or say this is the way or say something and fucking doesn't. And my I even actually heard somebody in my theater go, oh, he's gonna talk, he's gonna talk. And then when he didn't, and the scene just kind of passed on and he giggled and he or he nodded whatever the fuck he did in the scene. My whole theater went, oh and like so I knew I knew that was a missed opportunity that like that's where he should have gotten the first word or got to say that this is the way. Um, but basically they take the outrunnership or the gun runnership, they repair it enough to go back to the twins' castle, and they ram that shit right into the fucking Hutz castle and go right in. And um, you come to find out that the Huts hired a droidica. Um, so it's basically a droid army built with battle droids and and uh all kinds of different scrap droids, and they're basically a a fur hire army that the huts hired. So they're their protection that they have on on now Hutter, which was cool, something different. Uh-huh. And basically we get the final confrontation.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

I like to see those four more droids in action again, too. So that was fun.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

We get to see the final confrontation. Uh, Din basically goes, frees Rada the Hut. Um Rada takes on the twins, which was an interesting fight. I I would have liked to see it go a little bit more. I would have liked to see either Rada kill the twins or Din kill one of the twins. Uh the Din and Embo fight I didn't feel was very good, very good. Um, again, Embo really had no purpose in this movie. There was no connectivity, there was no like they knew each other from the past, like they ever crossed each other's paths before. It was just kind of he was there, he was just like the cannon fodder to be there. Um that whole thing kind of this final sequence for me, I I would have liked a little bit more out of it. And basically, what happens is Rada is fighting the twins and sacrifices himself to go clothesline the two twins into the the trapdoor where the where the dragon snake is, and as he's about to fall and sacrifice himself, Grogu uses the force to pick Rada up and and keep Rada from falling. Um again, this would have been another moment for him to be like, You're a Jedi. I I got safe by Jedi when I was a kid, and just like another way to just connect the story and just connect those pieces that are already there, but they shied away from every kind of every kind of way to to to connect.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

End of channel connection he wanted it to be, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Yeah. Um this also for me was was a big problem because again, so now in Book of Boba Fett, Boba already has a problem with the twins. Chris Santon already has a problem with the twins. He was sold by as a slave from the twins to Boba, and Boba freed him and now has him working there. Cobb Vanth has a problem with the twins. Fennec Shan has a problem with the twins. So when a Delphi squad is the one who shows up, and we get all these cameos of all the fucking directors from Star Wars, not anybody that we actually care about, all these fucking directors, and then finally we get my man uh Carson Teva showing up. We've we got him looking beautiful with his avatar beard fucking flowing because he had to leave the set of avatar to go to go fucking come here one day to shoot this scene. Um so at least Carson Teva was there, thank God. Um so happy to to see him. Um but this would have been a perfect opportunity for this to be Boba and them coming on the slave one, flying in, it would have again connected to to Book of Boba Fett, something you've already established in the canon and the previous Disney shows. So not having anybody of that caliber and it just being Sigourney Weaver, Carson Teva, and the rest of the directors from Star Wars, Dave Fallone and Deborah Chow and Rick Famaway, that was kind of disappointing for me.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

They also say, do you think like do you think they showed like, especially Dave? Do you think he did a little bit too much with as far as cameos in this movie? I do.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

I I I think he he he shouldn't have been in this movie as much as he was. Um it would have been fine to have him like at the end. Um, but I didn't need any of these cameos from any of these directors. Again, this this was the perfect opportunity for Boba Fenneck and them to show up. Maybe you have Bo Katan and some Mandalorians on a ship, and they're the backup coming to Nal Hutta, and we get some big battle on Nalhutta with people who actually matter in this series, um, rather than the directors of the shows, which I don't think most people could spot out of a lineup. You know what I mean? I only know this because I'm a Star Wars fan and and I know who the directors are, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 42:58

And and I feel like that's the thing when it comes to Mandalorian and and Grogu is that like it's the one show out of the whole series that like you really don't need to uh connect to all of the other Star Wars stuff. I mean, granted, they always they do connect with clone war characters and stuff like that, but like the the average Joe can watch Mandalorian and not have to watch um any of the other Star Wars movies.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

And that's what I'm saying about the fact of you could have easily connected things that you've already established in the Mandalorian show in this movie, and they shied away from any of it. Like this would have been the perfect opportunity for Boba and them to show up, and then you would have gotten to know of like, hey, Boba took Tatooine from your dad, and he's been watching Tatooine. He's got beef with the twins too. So here's why he came, Rada. Here's why, here's somebody you should meet. Here's Cobb Vanth, who in in the the books is the person who's Rada's handler. Is is so like that's different now, obviously, in canon.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

But they basically take But it add another element to the movie. Like you know you have a new person to get into it.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

The lifetime fans of like, yes, we got Boba. Boba showed up. Like, fuck yeah. You know, of course they of course they showed up for their boyed Mando. They owe him one for what he did to them on Tatooine. Like it would have been a good cameo. And and that again was just forsaken. Um so we get the twins getting taken out. The twins end up getting into the pit with Embo. Embo ends up splitting and getting out of the side trap door before anything happens to him, but the twins end up getting devoured by the dragon. And I wasn't a fan of that. I would have liked the twins to stick around. Um, I like the twins as characters. I would have liked a little bit more exposition on them and a little bit more flushing out of their empire, a little bit more what's going on with them and and how they came in. Like, give me a little bit more of their backstory before you killed them off, and I think they they just kind of they were just there to be the the villain for the month. Not even it would have even been nice to just get a little transmission of them talking to Thrawn real quick or talking to Peleon real quick, and and you come to find out, oh, Thrawn's behind this. Thrawn orchestrated this whole plan. That's where this is all coming from, or Peleon's doing it on Thrawn's behalf, or fuck it, Moth Gideon's still fucking alive, and Moth Gideon's the one who set this up as payback. Something, something little just to get it bigger. Um, when it was all said and done, the movie, start to finish, is is self-contained. You don't need to know anything going into the movie. You can go in just blind, watch the movie, enjoy the movie, and be done with it. There's no setup for a second one, other than the fact of Rada joining the new republic, which is interesting. That's something that I didn't think was gonna happen. I thought for sure it was gonna be, hey, let me take you to Tatooine. I know somebody who can who can take care of you, and it would have been him bringing him to Boba and you know that. That would have been that. But no, it's Rada joining the new republic. So now Rada is an official member of them and gonna be on missions and probably part of whatever we do next. Maybe we see him in Ahsoka pop up. Um, so I thought that was interesting. And Din basically takes a break from the New Republic when it's all said and done. He tells Sigourney Weaver, like, look, I'm just gonna hang out, I'm gonna take some time off and and you know do my own thing with Grogu. And that's kind of what it was.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

And that's what he said he was gonna do from the beginning, and then he does this. So that's why, like we're saying right now, like this this okay, great. We we got to see what Warada was up to and and the Hot situation, but it was almost like like like a side quest with no move anything moving forward, uh, as far as like for the movie and just like the universe in general. This wasn't made my quickest pet peeve.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

This wasn't made to shake up the foundation of Star Wars. This wasn't made to elevate the franchise in any new direction. This was just made to be a fun adventure. This was four episodes of Mando together, start to finish. You got a beginning, middle, and an end. You got four arcs, and that was it.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

Um, this was which makes it to me more of a more of a movie for I see it as more of a kid movie than anything because it's you're just a kid trying to learn this is just a movie. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

It's people who don't want to theater and just enjoy and have fun.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

That's it. And for people who who don't know Star Wars, I feel like this is the perfect entry for new Star Wars fans to come into. I don't even feel like it's an entry for Star Wars fans.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

I just feel like it's an entry if you're if you want to take your family out to go see a movie. This is the movie to go see. If you want to have a good time and everybody enjoy it, that too. It's the movie to go see. Um, your kids are gonna like it, your wife will probably enjoy it because of all the funny stuff and the the creatures, she'll probably get a kick out of Grogu, and you can enjoy Star Wars. So it's it's it's it's not lightsabers and mythology and guys in robes and and you know the dark side and all of the stuff that that probably turns off your family from watching the movie. It's it's a family adventure. This was made just to be that. And I think if you go into the movie knowing that and knowing that's that's what to expect, like you're you're not gonna get that would make it as a much visual effects were great in this movie. They did a great job. They went back and fixed a lot of stuff from a lot of the early trailers where the VFX did not look good, and this looked really great. I did not see it in IMAX, um, but I've I've heard if you do see it in IMAX that it looks even better. So I feel this movie is probably gonna overperform. I feel the reviews and the audience score, and enough people came out of this movie saying the same thing that they had on. Um, and I feel like that's all we really needed out of this. We needed positive press coming out of it. It it's like I said, it's it's not the thing that's gonna groundbreak Star Wars and and uh, you know, break down the generational gap and now bring you into this brand new era. It's not. Um Starfighter is probably gonna be that next year. That's that's kind of where they've been going with this. That's what they've been leaning on, is that Starfighter is whatever the next direction for Star Wars is gonna be, is gonna be through that movie. So now we just have to wait and see. I still think it's gonna be a backdoor Ray movie. I I still think when it's all said and done, they're setting up whatever this Mando generation is and the Ray generation coming together for a new trilogy of movies. I think that's where we're headed. I think we're gonna see Ray, I think we're gonna see Grogu, I think we're gonna see Ahsoka, Sabine, Ezra, all of these characters come together for whatever these next these Simon Kingburg uh trilogy movies are gonna be that he's been writing the script on for however long. And I think that's where we're going with Star Wars. I think that's the direction. Um is it necessarily the best direction? I don't know. I don't know how people are gonna respond to seeing Rey on screen again. I really don't. I I have a feeling Starfighter could be a fantastic movie, but the minute you end the movie with Rey showing up, I you might get people turning on the movie at that point because they don't want to deal with her. I don't know how how things are gonna go. I personally am really looking forward to Ahsoka season two and seeing where Falone's direction is gonna go, if Faloney's gonna be able to do his movie, if he's gonna be able to do this as a TV series, however, it's gonna work to get the Thrawn payoff in this era, and I think that's eventually where we'll get the death of Mando. Um, I think Mando will be the character that dies when Falone is done with his Thrawn story, whether it's Ahsoka or it's in whatever comes next.

SPEAKER_02 50:39

Yeah, to speak on the the Starfighter stuff, um, I just feel like we will this well will be bit the backdoor for Ray. Um it's just a matter of how involved with her story and the things that happened with her and the Force Awakens and things like that that they want to get in detailed with.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

It's not, it's not. They're gonna they're gonna disregard all that and they're just gonna jump ahead with Ray. That's gonna be the best way to handle it. If you're gonna have the the whole movie is Ryan Gosling taking his nephew and trying to get his nephew to safety, um, the the safety is gonna be Ray at the end of the movie, and that's what you're gonna do. You're not gonna touch on Talpatine, you're not gonna touch on the shit that happened in the past, you're literally just gonna see where they're going to be. Ryan Gosling's character doing like you should when it comes to whatever they're gonna do next. My assumption is gonna be you're gonna get all of these Jedi characters coming together to face some brand new threat, whether it's the Grisk or the Yusong Vong or some other Sith or whatever the case may be. Matt Smith and Mia Goth could still be alive from Starfighter to be the big bads later on in this in this sequel sequel trilogy, I guess you could say. But I feel like that's where they're going with this. I feel like that's the only way forward now is you have to progress Goroku a little bit. You have to use the Rey character since you invested so much in her. You might as well bring these other characters that people already like and enjoy into this and then go forward that way. Like avoid Poe, avoid Finn, avoid all of those other sequel characters, just have Rey with these other group of characters that people like and move forward that way with a new Jedi. And I feel like that's probably the safest bet for them at this point. The the thing we keep talking about is I I still feel like you should stay in this Mandalorian era, recast Luke Han and Leia, and continue to tell stories in this Mandalorian era after Return of the Jedi with the main cast that you you've already established. I think people are here for that. I think you just have to come up with the right villains and the right scenarios to do it. That's where I would go with this, but again, um, I can see the direction that they're headed based off the things that they've already kind of talked about and the things that they've already set up. So you you kind of see like where they're they're going with things and where the plan is.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

Yeah, keeping it super close to the cars. That's what it seems like. Um before we got on here, I I had seen a post from Luke's outpost, and he says that the movie already already officially crossed 60 million at the global box office, and that they had 98 million domestic, 63 million international. Um, and that this budget for the movie was 165 mil. So they already made back half of their move their their budget. So I mean that's kudos to them.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

Yeah, it'll be incredible to see tomorrow what the official numbers are for the weekend and and what they actually land upon, because then that'll give us a better idea. Um, the early projections had them less than solo. Um, I don't I I see it grossing higher than solo, especially with the word of mouth, especially for the fact that I'm willing to go back and see it a second time. I never go back and see movies a second time. I usually always just will wait for streaming. But for the fact that I want to go back and see it again kind of says something about like the enjoyment that I had watching the movie. And for me, I gave it four stars out of five on Letterboxd. Um, I really there there were moments, again, like I said, I I have my issues with the fact that there's no cameos in this, I have my issues with the fact of the lack of connectivity, I have my issues with Grogu at times in this in this movie where they it almost seems like they don't know how to treat Grogu at times. There's there's instances in the movie where Din treats him like a pet and even tells him to heal and sit. And then there's instances you know where he's treated by other people as like one of Din's pets, and then he's also treated as like, you know, you he's also a Jedi, so you're supposed to look at him a different way, and you're supposed to treat him. So like they're kind of all over the place, and I feel like they need to they need to stop doing that, they need to just focus on whatever your avenue is gonna be on Grogu. I get it. For for their their marketing department, they probably want to give Grogu a little baby forever. This cute little thing, goo goo gaga, ha ha ha. Yeah let's merchandise the shit out of this forever. But for people like me and and fans of this, I feel like at some point you're gonna have them move this kid forward, you're gonna have to have him talk, you're gonna have to have him grow up, you're gonna have to have him You gotta give him a lifesaver, man. You gotta do something actually. Be doing some badass shit and be the Mando Jedi that we want to see on screen, especially once we get to the sequel era stuff. Like, he's gotta be grown up by that point. He's gotta be more independent and on his own at that point, especially if Din dies, you know, during this era. So I feel like those are the things that we need to do going forward. Will they do it? I I don't know. I I I it it's all up in the air to see like what what comes next. Because outside of Starfighter, that's all we have. Ahsoka season two got pushed back to next year. We have Maul season two coming, and we have Starfighter, and that's all we know about until Star Wars Celebration comes rolling around next year. So it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Yeah, because if this was if if this was uh an animation already, like if if if uh Mandalorian was animation, we probably would have already gotten a whole backstory on what Grogu came from. If he's related uh his his relationship maybe with Yoda and Gagnato and and and all this the Jedi stuff, we we probably would have had that by now, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

I don't think so. I think they're telling the story the way they want to tell it. I I definitely think we'll end up getting Mando Season 4 at some point. Um, I think that's a given now with with the movie and the success of the movie. I think they'll they'll definitely move forward with Mando Season 4 or the Faloney thing. Um, where again I could see that being where they kill off Dan and that being the end of like the Mando and Grogu now having to grow up and do his own thing.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Yeah, and I'm okay with that because they kind of already teased us of how what this looks like. So like so you have to kill him again now.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

That's why I feel like you're you're definitely getting there, and if it doesn't happen now, it'll happen in that in that Ray sequel trilogy team up. Like that's where we'll get Din being older and and he'll die, you know, naturally, or he'll die in action, sacrificing himself because he's an old man at that point.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

And especially with them saying them the quote of like the young take care of the old and the old train the young or something to that extent. You know, I thought this was gonna be in the movie where where this happens, because why are you telling me that?

SPEAKER_00 57:27

So I I kind of I kind of knew they weren't gonna pull the trigger on it because of the fact that like they they didn't want to pull the trigger too soon, they didn't want to take any risks with this movie. There was no risks to be had in this movie movie.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Oh, no risk whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

It was the safest Star Wars movie they could have made, and and good on them, they did a good job in in the fact of making the safest Star Wars movie. Um I I saw some people talking about like where do you rank this movie now with Star Wars? And like I think it's somewhere in the middle. I think it's above solo for me, and it's it's above the sequel trilogy for sure. Um, but it's somewhere in the middle there. I I think it was the safe bet that they did. They they shied away from taking any risks, they they shied away from any big cameos or any big moments, and they played it safe. And I I don't blame them. I I really don't, especially with the fan base, especially how divided things are. Like, I I I don't blame you for for wanting to just keep it inside the box and not take any big swings. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 58:30

Yeah, I I get that, but uh we want to see more. So I guess we we need what we're what I'm asking for is for the Starfighter movie, and that's what I just have to wait for.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

But see, I don't again, I don't know if the Starfighter movie is gonna appeal to this same audience. The Starfighter movie is gonna be a totally different era, it's not this era, it's it's years ahead in this after the sequel trilogy.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

So that's one thing I think But at least I know that we're moving somewhere else, and there's something new and like exciting possibly like we're going like positive forward, possibly, right? But could be no that's that's the assumption. That's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

And now what? Now you're fucked again because now you painted yourself in a corner with a sequel trilogy. And and I feel like unfortunately, I know like I said, I have a feeling they're gonna breeze past all of the sequel trilogy. They're just gonna jump forward into this starfighter thing and whatever they do at Ray and the rest of the Jedi Order. And I still feel like you're gonna have a fucking hard time because there's a lot of people that don't like the sequels, that that want the sequels fucking expunged from Star Wars altogether because they they ruin the story of Star Wars essentially. They basically show you that Luke like your childhood hero was was a fucking was was a curmudgeon and like gave up. And like that's that's not the story people really want to bank on when it comes to Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Because that's not that's not Luke. That wasn't Luke. I don't know that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

It was never Luke, and like that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

I don't know where this goes eventually. I don't know, but the fact that you want more Mando says says something that that should be telling them all that they need to know is like now maybe they come back with another movie, maybe they come back after Ahsoka and do the felone stuff. That's really what I want at this point. I think if you're gonna do anything, I think you have Ahsoka season two take place, and then you bring this whole Mando cast together with Han, Luke, and Leia, and you do the big Thrawn battle, and you do the big, the big them taking on Thrawn and them taking on whatever else is is coming from the galaxy, and that's your big blowoff for this era. And I feel like you would get people in the seats, especially if they knew Han, Luke, and Leia were were involved in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Cause at this point, you already have the recipe for what you've what you've already put out already that people love and like. So just use what you what you know people like already, like Mando, and you know, like the stuff that I mean more doesn't take place in this, but I mean you can somehow put put them in, put that at that world and those things into the Devin is yeah, Devin. Devin is the yeah, so like you have this there's recipes for success. You just take the risk. That's my only problem. They don't want to take the risk.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

You have Devin, you have Ventress, you have Quinlan Voss, you have Ezra, you have Sabine, you have Ahsoka, you have Calcestis, you have Ray, you have all of these Jedi that you could put together to make a new Jedi Order. And I feel like that's the movie people want to see. If you're gonna bring all these Jedi together, this will be the first time since the prequel trilogy that we'll actually get to see a new Jedi Order all together, all working together, and they're going up against the big bad. And I feel like that's the best route to go going forward at this point. You have the Mandalorians, you have all of these factions that you've introduced now all working together as a as a new republic to take on, you know, the Thrawn and the Last of the Empire, and or or whatever whatever takes place after Starfighter and the sequel trilogy. Um, I I think those are like the two safest bets that they can do. And and we'll see if that's where they go. But overall, I enjoyed it. I would recommend going to see it if you haven't seen it. Um it it is a it is a lot of fun. It's gonna be a lot of fun when it comes out on Disney Plus to be able to just watch at home. Uh, I'll definitely watch it. That's what I'm waiting for at that point to see it. Um another movie that is hitting now and getting it is is coming out and getting great reviews is Masters of the Universe. Um they were doing early showings of it for people, and from everything I heard, the movie is really fucking awesome compared to what you know the stuff that we saw. They did release a brand new trailer for it, and the new trailer really kind of leans into the 80s He-Man stuff, and I think it made the movie look 10 times better than it did previously. You get to see a lot more Jarrelletto.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

Yeah, giving him yeah, giving him more Javiletto's uh voice, you know, speaking and stuff. I think just showing more of He-Man stuff. You see more of the characters from the series in in the trailer, too, and just only for me, all you gotta do is give Pantor his freaking his armor and He-Man on top of him. And I'm I'm in. You're like, that's it. And they've already there, I know that's happening, so you've already sold them.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

I like the shotgun trailer where he's he's talking to them and he's like, You're you're you're a man of war, and you're a fisto, and you're you know, da-da-da-da. Going through them all, and and I thought that was cool. And um, yeah, Jared Leto looks like he really did a good job in this. I'm actually impressed with like the stuff I've seen very impressed. So it looks like it's gonna be cool to review for it are are really great. Um, this one might actually get me to go to the theater to go check it out. I wasn't planning on it, but it it might actually get me to go see it. Just good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

Yeah, he Man needs some love because I mean when I walk inside Aldi's and I see all those toys there, I'm like, dude, why? These are like my childhood. Like, why is this like this? So let's let's try and give he Man some love.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

Yeah, the movie we can get him back in the right spot. All the new movie merge is is showing up at Walmart and uh Target and looks pretty cool. Um, we got the finale of the boys that happened this past week. And I gotta say, hats off to Eric Kripke. Uh hats off to everybody on that staff, that that all the actors, the the makeup, the special effects, the editing, the writers, like everybody top to bottom on that show. Um, I love the finale. I thought I know a lot of people had problems with it. A lot of people were expecting a lot more from it. They did sit Soldier Boy out for the entire finale, which was kind of disappointing. So they set him up this whole season to be important and then just had him sit on the sidelines. But like I was saying last week, I think that's more to set up his Vault Rising show that's coming. Um that's that's gonna be debuting at the end of this year. So we'll get a lot more of that. I also do see a scenario where if they do a season two of Vault Rising, we're gonna get a current day storyline with Soldier Boy after the events of this boys' finale. So we'll see how he's reacting to the fact of Homelander being killed. Uh, spoiler alert, Homelander does die in the finale, he gets depowered. Um, basically, the the whole gist of the finale is they found a way. Frenchie dies in the in the episode prior. Frenchie found a way to give Kamiko Soldier Boy's power. So Soldier Boy has a blast that he can shoot people with that removes the V and basically makes them human. Um so they were able to give that power to Kamiko and used her to blast Soldier Boy, butcher, and um their so and Uh Homelander's son, Butcher's son, um, Ryan, and basically all three of them get depowered. They're in the White House Homelanders giving a State of a Union address on live national TV. So the whole entire fight and the whole entire battle is all streamed on camera, live for the nation to watch, which is pretty fucking cool as this fight is taking place. Um, it was basically Homelander at full strength, souped up on V1, uh, versus Butcher, who had you know taken the V, and then Ryan, his son, who was a superhero as well. So the three of them are just taking shots. Kamiko's involved in this. Um, once they get blasted with the thing, they all get kind of laid out. They wake up, and Homelander basically tries to split, and he tries to tries to take off and fly, and he realizes he can't. And all of a sudden he starts to fucking panic. And this is the first time in Homelander's life that he has not been a god, that he has not been untouchable, that nobody could fuck with him. So Butcher being butcher starts beating the fucking shit out of him and starts punching him in the face and breaking teeth and fucking busting his nose and just beats the living fuck out of the point where Homelander's like crying and sobbing, basically saying, I'll suck your dick, I'll suck your dick, I'll eat your shit on national TV, and fucking that's insane. And he's literally being screamed on national TV saying this, and like, dude, the fucking craziest shit in the world, like, and like you can see it, he turned to an incel and props to Anthony's Anthony Starr for his portrayal of Homelander in this because he does he goes from like being this untouchable, invincible asshole to like immediately realizing that like he's a coward and he's you know, if it wasn't for the powers, this little shit probably would have got his ass beat years ago by somebody. Long time ago, yeah. And so like the the basically Butcher ends up fucking him up on national TV and then takes a crowbar and jams it into his head and then pops the top of Homelander's skull off with the fucking crowbar and leaves him leaves him embedded on the Oval Office desk um on national TV. So if this is all being streamed the entire time it's happening, and then after it happens, Ryan wakes up. So now Butcher's gotta kind of explain to Ryan that like I just killed your father, technically. Um, so all of that takes place. Huey and the rest of them, Starlight, all kind of walk into the room to see that like it's over, Homelander's fucking dead. Um it was just fantastic. The way they did this to me was was great. Then you basically get a fallout of Butcher trying to deploy the virus, and if he does, people like Starlight and Kamiko will die too from basically he'd kill every soup in the entire world if he deployed this virus, and it's Huey who ends up stopping Butcher. He ends up shooting Butcher in the chest and stopping him from deploying the virus, and that's basically how the show ends. The show wraps up showing that Starlight and But and Billy, uh Starlight and Huey are pregnant, uh, they're having a kid. Starlight is um Huey opened his electronics store that he talked about throughout the whole entire show, and basically she's she's still saving people and doing missions in between, working out of the the electronics shop. So it was cool. Um, I really, really enjoyed it. I thought it was fucking great. So yeah, it was I was I was really happy with the way that they they wrapped this show up. Definitely worth watching. If you haven't, like you, I I know you gotta get caught up. It's definitely worth watching.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

Yeah, finally. So this is why I'm happy that this happened. So now I can finally binge away.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:51

Yeah, it's definitely gonna be great, I think, when you binge it too, because you're gonna get to experience like it all, you know, fresh as it as it's going on at once. Yeah. So I think it's pretty cool. Uh last week we talked about lanterns. We got some more stuff going into season two, and the fact that we have a new showrunner change going into season two. So it wasn't even announced that we're getting lantern season two, but apparently DC already hired a new showrunner for season two. Tom King is gonna stay on as an executive producer. Um and there was a shot in the trailer that we saw last week where you do see Sinestro. So Sinestro is in the cell, and Hal is talking to him in the cell. So Sinestro, Sinestro is gonna be part of this show. Um, it does look like the Red Lanterns and Atrocitus are gonna be part of this show. From all inclinations, it seems that Hal's gonna die in this show, or they're gonna do the parallax story. I think them keep reiterating the fact of the fear and the are you afraid. I could very easily see a route where Hal turns into parallax at the end of this, that's how John ends up with the ring, and then John has to take down Hal at the end of this show. Um, I could also see a scenario where Hal gets killed, and that's how John ends up taking over, too. Um, but it does seem like Hal Jordan is is not long for this world in this in the DCU. So I thought that was cool. I thought it was cool to see the Sinestro um scene. So yeah, I'm I'm excited for this show. I'm I'm really lanterns kind of has me has me hyped and looking forward to it, especially. Yeah, especially with this with this latest trailer, and especially to see how this ties into Man of Tomorrow. Like we know um, you know, he's gonna be involved in Man of Tomorrow. Um, I'm I'm and now that we're getting a season two confirmation, so it's just like where do you go now coming out of Man of Tomorrow with lanterns? Like, where does the show go? So do you include you know more lanterns? Do we get Kyle? Do we get Jessica Cruz? Do we get Baz you know in season two? Like that would be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:00

Um a big thing in Marvel in um this summer, Spider-Man is going to hit its thousandth issue. Um in the next two months, they're starting the countdown to issue a thousand in Spider-Man series. So the the tease is that it's gonna be a big reveal with Aunt May and like a conversation that her and Peter are gonna have. My assumption is gonna be that Aunt May is gonna tell him that she knows he's Spider-Man, and that's gonna be the big reveal for Issue A Thousand. Um it was done in the animated comic book series that they just ended and came back and did, where like May basically tells him at the end of the book that she's always known. She just she just tried to bury it down and like act like she didn't. Um, so I think they're gonna do it in main continuality. I think that's the biggest announcement. Either that or Aunt May's gonna get married to her new boyfriend. I could see a scenario where like that's the big announcement, too, is that you know May's gonna tell that she's getting married. But I I think that her knowing that he's Pete knowing that he's Spider-Man and and knowing I think that's the better way to go for like the issue 1000. Like um they did something with But this is for Amazing Spider-Man, yeah. For Amazing Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess so. But but also I I like the other one though, because it's we've seen that already so many times. Like I like we've seen her knowing that she he's Spider-Man. Never so that's why I'm like I like the other one though.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:28

It's never happened in the main continuality of Spider-Man though, yeah. And that's what I'm talking about. That's why I could fully see that being the the reveal of of her her knowing, and now it changes the status quo of the main Spider-Man book going forward for for for all time. Um I didn't write this one down, but there is a reveal that Batman is gonna be getting a new Alfred essentially. Um, it seems that they're gonna do the storyline from Batman and Robin with Alfred's niece coming in to be the new butler at Wayne Manor. So that was teased in the new solicits. Um, it has not been confirmed, but it does look a lot like Alicia Silverstone's character, and it's teased that she is is related to Alfred. So I could very easily see them doing the scenario of like Alfred's niece now is gonna be the new butler at Wayne Manor. Alfred does have a daughter, but we haven't seen her in quite some time, so it would make sense to to have this new character be, you know, the niece. Um Supergirl. Supergirl is going to become a blue lantern in DC Comics. Um, previously she was a red lantern for quite some time, so it's gonna be interesting to see her become a blue. Um, usually you need a blue lantern to to fix the red lantern energy. So I'm not sure if it's gonna tie into her being a red or not, but it is pretty cool that they're gonna actually have her be a full-fledged blue lantern going forward.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:57

Um, yeah, also in and other super girl news, I I heard that she's also gonna be in Man of Tomorrow as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:05

Yeah, yeah, that was kind of a given though, because you kind of already knew that they're they're doing her own movie for a reason. So this is all tying back in. And Superman. And with super and with Superman in, yeah. And we we've seen David Corn Sweat in like the stills of him in her movie already. Those stills, those shots did come out, so it's it's already there. Yeah, it's it's kind of a given that she's gonna be in Man of Tomorrow. Um, and then last but not least, uh Scary Movie Popcorn Bucket. They're gonna be releasing four different bongs that are um popcorn buckets. So they're they're they're fully usable bongs that you can use at home in states that are legalized. And yeah, you probably just have to buy a new slider, I think, because I I don't think they're gonna give you a glass slider, it's probably plastic, so you will melt that. But yeah, just get a get a glass one and you're good to go from there. All four sizes. Um, I think I think they won the popcorn bucket for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

I think I think that's probably yeah, that was really innovative. I love the Wayne Brothers and what they do. Um, my mom actually went to school with them, so I used to hear a lot of stories about them, and the way they act in real life is the way they've over always been their whole entire life. So to see this is isn't it it doesn't it doesn't surprise me. So scary movie is is gonna be a good one, and I can't wait to see that. And and also like if this movie does well, uh cross my fingers, hopefully maybe they'll even make another white chicks movie. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

Yeah, I I don't personally care about scary movie. I like the Wayne Brothers. I I don't really give a shit about the scary movie like franchise at all or them doing them. Um I just I don't care. I I'd rather see them bring back the Wayne's Brothers show than anything. But um it's it's a money grab, they're gonna try. This is gonna be Paramount's like only movie for the entire year, so they're they gotta they gotta swing with this one, but otherwise, right? Yeah, that's about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

Yeah, I can't. I I'm I'm excited for it because just of this not nostalgic reasons.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:07

Um I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:10

Oh, you don't? Well, yeah, that's me. That was my shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

I don't I don't give a shit. Like, I remember watching them when they came out, but like I don't have any kind of you know, oh I go back and watch them every no, I've never went back and watched any scary movies ever like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

I've watched them so many times that I don't even need to watch them so again.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:26

I don't feel that way about scary movies. It's just never been one of those things. Like, I I like the actual franchises that they make fun of, but I don't give a shit about comedy part of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Well, that's the difference because you're the scary movie guy, and I'm the I like I'm not the scary movie, so it's ironic, it's not ironic that that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

What did you have for uh for comics of the week this week?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

Um, I haven't got it, but I know I have it, and it's absolute green um arrow. Um, I've heard really great reviews on it. Um I was actually really shocked because I think we talked about it here once about how how it when it broke. Um, and um I'm hearing really great things about it. Here is this is the it's it's a totally different story from what we're known for, green arrow, and um yeah, I'm excited to read.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:16

It was okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Oh, it was okay. I have it here. Yeah, I see. Um what you didn't like about it, or would you think that was okay about it?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

I I probably will not continue to pick this up. I picked up the first issue just to just to pick it up to see where they were going with it. Um it didn't hook me, it didn't keep me interested. Um seems like it's Ollie Back from the Dead somehow. Uh the book The Bows Made Out of Two Machetes and Um Black Canaries involved in it. Um, she seemed to be more of the main character than Ollie was. Um, but yeah, I'm not I'm probably not back for issue two, honestly. It it didn't do anything for me. I saw people losing their minds over it, and I was just like, not for me. Um mine this week was Wonder Woman. Um, this Wonder Woman crossover has been really cool. This Trinity story that's been they've been doing. Um, I've been really thoroughly enjoying it. It's set more in the future with Wonder Woman's daughter and Wonder Woman taking down uh the the threat and it's just been fucking awesome. It's been really cool. Um she basically killed Zeus in this issue and traveled the River Styx to get to um get to the sisters of fate and basically take place like this big battle that's about to happen with with them. So it's really cool. I'm loving this storyline. Um the other one for me this week was New Titans. Um, I'm really enjoying this season. Um basically what we did come to find out is that Static Shock is gonna be officially joining the Titans team going forward. Not in this book, it's gonna be a totally different book that's gonna be coming out eventually. Um, but this New Titans will continue with the new Titans team that they've introduced in this run. So basically, Cyborg got put back together, but he's not all himself, and uh he's basically preparing for the apocalypse war and the the setup that we have of of absolute um verse versus regular DC. So he's already doomsday prepping for that at some point, and we're we're gonna get that coming, you know, when when infinite crisis comes.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

With that being a thing in itself, absolutely it already makes me it already makes me want to add that to the to to my list now because I wasn't watching reading Titans, but now that Static is in it, uh now I'm I'm all in because Static is in my top five.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:50

It is gonna be a different book though. It's not this iteration of the book. Like New Titans is a is gonna be a new team, and the original Titans team is gonna be going and starting a new book that'll have Vic be part of the team. So hold off till that and then Yeah. Um honorable mention too, I don't have it in front of me, but X-Men by Gail Simone this week was really, really great. Um, finally, I think it was actually from last week, and I just didn't get around to reading it. Um, but hi Gail. You know, um we're we're internet friends, me and Gail Simone. I I I love her to death. I think she's awesome. So finally getting to see this new mutants team really progress and start to unlock their powers has been fucking awesome. Um, getting to see um the the story with the warden finally pay off and get to see her brother now, who was inmate X. Uh, we finally got that reveal from all the way from issue one. And we've finally got Monet showing up, kicking ass. She's ready to take on the the warden's brother. So it's gonna be cool. And she didn't come alone. We know Pietro, Quicksilver will be showing up soon. So it's I'm really interested to see where that uncanny book is gonna continue to go. Um, I do love how she used this time diversion thing with the making the outliers, the new mutants team, to almost progress them a little forward. So now, like when we see the kids again, they should be more in control of their powers and kind of know their potential of what they can do, which is pretty cool. So it it she elevated them in a way that that I haven't seen a lot of writers be able to do. Um, so yeah, I'm I I I'm still loving Uncanny. Um, the the main X-Men title is kind of where I'm starting to lose some of my steam on because not a lot has happened in that, but um Gail's Uncanny book has has still been absolutely great. So definitely recommend picking that up.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:55

It's good to know.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:56

Did you have anything that you watched this week?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:00

Um, we will be watching this week. Um caught up in some anime stuff, which has doing really good. Um and then um this is really random, but I watched Nemesis. Um, it's one of those shows that are on Netflix. Um, it's basically from the same writer. It is the same writer who wrote the power series. Um, and um it was a little messy, I'm not gonna lie. It was it was interesting though, but um, I mean, if you like power, it's just like that, just um the bootleg version because without the main people, so you know. So um, so yeah, that's that that well, I watched that on Netflix. Um, and then I don't know if I just watched anything else off of the top of my head, um besides the you know, Mando. Um, yeah, that was pretty much everything. I know there's stuff I have to catch up on, like um your neighbors, your neighbor, your friendly neighbor I have to catch up on, and um I think that's about it. Yeah, that was that was what I had in stores.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:07

I finished Lord of the Flies. Um, it took me a while to get through it. It was a very slow adaptation of the show. I thought they did a really good job with it when it was all said and done, and then I did watch the documentary that they put out too, along with it, that showed like the making of it. Turns out they did go to like they took this whole cast of kids to a remote island in Malaysia and shot this whole entire thing on like a on an island out in the middle of Malaysia, uh, which was pretty crazy to see how they set this up, how they were able to work it all, and like I had a new appreciation for the show, I think, once I watched the behind the scenes because it was like, oh wow, you guys like literally survivored it to to shoot this shoot this series. Um I I thought there were a couple things that were a little different than the books, um, but it was executed well. Uh, you really came to like Piggy even more in the show than you did in the books, and and I feel like he was really the standout of the entire thing. They even show Jack in a different way that like he's not portrayed in the books. He's kind of portrayed like a madman in the books. Um in the show, you kind of see why he's the way he is, is because of his father and like his abuse at home was kind of the way like why he was portraying the way he was on the island. Um, so it was good. I I would recommend checking it out if you're a fan of Lord of the Flies. It was a good adaptation, it just uh adaptation. It just took a little while. Like I think it's I want to say it's five episodes or four episodes in total, and like they're all hour-long episodes, but it's a lot of like not much happening until you get towards the end. Um the other thing I watched was The Bride with Christian Bale, and it's directed by Maggie Jalen Hall that came out on HBO. It was okay. Um was that the Frankenstein one? Yeah, I like I like I like the girl who plays the the bride in the movie. I thought her her portrayal and her acting throughout the whole entire thing was really great. I didn't really care for Christian Bale in this role. Um the way, like the premise of the movie, it's like very showtimey, like he like vaudeville error. It's hard to explain until you watch it. But I I didn't think it was I didn't want to say that at all. It's it's essentially Bonnie and Clyde with Frankenstein and the bride. That's the only way I can describe it. So it was it was fun, it was a fun like watch, but like nothing I'll ever go back and watch again, if that makes any sense. Like it was just it was worth checking out, I guess, just to see the concept and and see you know what they're doing from there.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:38

That that movie had uh streaming fast. Like I I swear it was on it like yesterday. If I feel like I was thinking about going to go see that.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

Yeah, it came out a few months ago, but uh it's on HBO, man. So yeah, you can watch it, watch it on HBO.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:52

Yeah, definitely gonna check that out.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:55

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