Deliverance Ministry & Casting Out Demons

Most people think of Jesus as a teacher and savior — but the gospels paint a picture of someone who also healed the sick and cast out demons everywhere He went. This episode breaks down the full scope of Jesus's ministry and what it means for followers of Jesus to continue it today.

In this episode:
• The three things that summarize Jesus's ministry in Matthew, Mark, and Luke
• Why removing exorcism from the gospels would destroy the entire narrative
• There is no neutral territory — two kingdoms, no in between
• Healing vs. deliverance: what the difference is and how to pray for both
• How false belief systems become open doors — and how to close them
• Why the good news according to Jesus is not just good teaching — it confronts evil

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Hosted by:
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Elijah Lamb — https://www.instagram.com/elijah.lamb

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Transcript

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Let's go. Hi guys. Welcome to the Bible. What's up guys? I'm Angela.

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I'm Darren. I'm Elijah.

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And this is the Bible study podcast with Darren Russ.

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SPEAKER_02 1:25

This is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

What's up, guys? Okay. Does anyone have any spiritual warfare stories from the past week? Because I think I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah, you go. Tell us first.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Um I scraped the whole side of my car. No. The whole side of my car. I was pulling into my driveway and I hit the wall. But again, is it spiritual warfare or am I the problem? You could be the problem. Statistically, you're the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Was there a demon that jumped in on the whole?

SPEAKER_03 1:52

And every time I hit a curb, like there is like a spirit of like running over curbs. It's not me.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I don't think there's a spirit of running over curbs. I just want to correct that.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

There's a spirit of not going to driving school. Yeah, maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

No, maybe confusion. Yeah, maybe a little bit, maybe uh division. No, I'm just kidding. You know, it is interesting because we haven't really jumped into the stories of spiritual warfare. And I have so many I could I could share. I have so many. And I think it'd be fun. Maybe I start with a crazy story. Like I didn't grow up believing in really the spiritual things. I didn't really have a theology of the Holy Spirit growing up. So I didn't really experience those things. But growing up, I had I had like nightmares where I would feel like I would have sleep paralysis where I'd wake up from a dream seeing demons and then I couldn't move. And that was kind of always the thing I would sleepwalk. My parents would find me downstairs and I'd be crying out, yelling. Like I've had all those weird things.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

But then when I felt called to ministry, I had like a very wild encounter with uh it was the day before I was gonna start work at a church. I had what was uncommon at that point, like sleep paralysis, where I woke up from a dream. The dream was absolutely graphic and horrific, like terrible. And I remember waking up from the dream, seeing this really dark face, and it was screaming at me. And I wake up trying to say Jesus and I couldn't speak, and I was, you know, flattened out. And some of you have probably experienced this. Like, there's a there's like a physiological like term for this sleep paralysis of what it's called. So there's something that goes on in the brain, but I also think there's spiritual stuff because you're having like crazy nightmares, and I know this is gonna be crazy, and people are gonna be like, This isn't true, but I'm saying this, okay? So you my blankets fly off my bed, and I feel like there's something sitting on top of me. I'm wide awake trying to like get down my throat. That's the craziest thing. I finally roll out of bed and I was living with roommates. This is like literally the day before I start working at the church that I started at when I was 21. And I run out, and my brother's in the other room, and I wake him up and he sees terror on my face, and I tell him, like, guys, I was being attacked, like I'm freaking out. We go into the living room and they start praying, and I open my eyes and I see what I will see regularly are like these, I can only describe them as like green little, like not green, like little goblin like figures mocking the prayers. So that was like my intro to spirit, like real crazy spiritual. Have you had anything like that? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Okay, can I tell you a story? Okay, this is I've actually never told this story before. I would have had no idea that this was spiritual warfare. I had no, I like grew up Catholic, I had no real relationship with Jesus. But when I was in the ninth grade, my English teacher, Mrs. Schuster, she was a Mrs. Schuster. I hope she watches this for some reason. She gave me a book. I don't remember what the book was, but it was like this like small book about Jesus. Really? And I remember she gave it to me, and she was like, she said something like, Be careful when you read this book. Like Satan is gonna be mad about it.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 5:05

This was my first introduction to spiritual warfare, having no idea what was taking place. I was so young. I was working at Panera Bread at the time. I remember reading this positive cook.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

You worked at Panera Bread. I worked at Panera Bread. I worked at Adjacent's deli.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

That's cute.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Love, yeah, so it's like Panera Bread, but even sadder, even more depressing. I worked at a tanning salon. That was my first job. Keep going.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Did you tan like everyone's doing it?

SPEAKER_01 5:30

I feel bad. I age myself.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

So I opened, I opened this book and I'm just. Do you have any photos where you super tanning?

SPEAKER_01 5:41

No, of course not. Um so you wake up in the red. So you're reading the book.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Well, so I'm reading the book. I I remember I read it in class. I opened it up and I read the first maybe page or two pages. And I'll never forget, I like close it and I felt for the first time in my life, fear literally like shoot up my body, like full panic. And all of a sudden, I was like deathly afraid of the devil. Yeah, like terrified. And I felt like something was chasing me. I like it was this like doom, like looming fear that like Satan was after me. I read one page of this book. I had never really read about Jesus before. And I got so scared that I would be sleeping at night or I would be in bed at night and I would have to keep my eyes open because every time I close my eyes, I would see like a black figure with two red eyes. And so I'd have to open my eyes because I couldn't sleep because every time I clean and I was like, what is happening to me? I've never experienced fear before. I was working at Panera Bread, and this is all in a span of a week when I had this book in my hands. I'm at Panera Bread working, and I make my mom and my dad come because I'm so full of fear. And I remember I was like maybe 15 years old. Panera bread like plays music, like whatever. I don't know what the music is, but it's like elevator music. And I remember this like sounds like maybe a mental health issue, but looking back, like I know it was spiritual warfare. Yeah, I remember feeling like the music stopped for a second, and I heard so clearly in my head like a really demonic laugh. Wow. And I got so scared. I went to my boss and I was like, Did you hear someone laugh on the music? And she was like, No, that's weird. I made my mom and my dad come to Panera while I closed the restaurant. I went home, I got rid of the book, and it's I was like, It was about Jesus, and I didn't know about any of this, so I was like, that's what's doing this. Yeah, got rid of it, never did not ever experience that again. Wow, isn't that wild?

SPEAKER_01 7:43

No, it's not wild. I say it all the time because what what we've told people in the church is like, oh, come to Jesus and life's gonna get better. And I'm like, hold on, you're gonna now have a target on your back. Life will be contested. Your life will be as you begin to experience breakthrough by coming to faith, and now you're saved by grace. There is an enemy to the story of your life now because you're marked by Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwells in you. You know, this I think it would be good just to talk about this because I I was I I was just thinking as you were talking. I've had like when I started the church, we were in meeting in the basement of a church in downtown Long Beach. It was like 110 year old church building. We met in the basement. It was old and run down. We probably had 13 people in the church when we were launching our community. And I was 24 at the time, so I didn't I didn't have any life experience. I mean, I had some life experience. I didn't have like like knowledge of these things that I've read about in in college at Vanguard. And I remember one Sunday, my friend was leading worship. We had one guitar player, we had like slides, like literal projector, not a projector. It was the what's the thing where you put uh it's super old, you wouldn't know this. This is like an antique at a museum. What's it called? What? It's like you put this the transparent yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

First of all, they still use those when I was in elementary school.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

When I was in elementary school, we still what are those things called? Like, um, anyways, it's not a projector, someone's got to comment on it. I'm so it's like an alien enters a room.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Yeah, the lights get turned off.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

You turn down and literally you put the like the printed out plastic sheets.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

My teachers would use those and they would it's not a projector, it's uh anyway.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Somebody watching is like figuring out, you're an idiot. But I'm not that young. We still use that. That's how we started, right? We started our church with this. This woman came in, this young girl, she's in probably teenager, like 18, 19, 20. All right. She comes in and she starts taking like donuts and coffee and like mixing things in this container she has, and she's starting to like dance around on the stage, near the stage, which is super small, low ceilings, and like throwing what she calls potion on our worship. And then we're like, oh, this is not right. So we pull her aside and like, well, let's pray for you. And we have our team praying, which we're new to this, like I'm new to the things of the spirit. And I have my hand on our shoulder, I'm standing from behind, and I start quietly like whispering in tongues, which was also new to me. Okay. And I'm just like whispering, she could not hear, and she turns around and hisses at me. And then she takes off running, right? And this is a true story. Crazy. So she takes off running, we don't see her. Well, I get a call from her parents because she gets hospitalized. She gets arrested in Los Angeles that night in downtown LA. And for graffitiing on the side of a church building, love me. Pops arrest her, think she's on drugs, she has no drugs in her system. They 50 5150, or she gets, which is they hold her, yeah, put her in the hospital. The parents call us. We come up. Well, I didn't go up, but we there was a a church in Newport that was teaching us things of the spirit. So they're like, we'll bring our deliverance team. They they deliver her of evil spirits, she gives her life to Jesus. When she gets out, she comes to our church with her entire family, and she's sitting there in her right mind, reading the Bible, and she gets set free. And that was like my first encounter where I was like, This is crazy. Now, she didn't come back to our church, she came one time, four years later. She came back to our church and she's been a part of our church since.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

I love that. It's the craziest story. That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

It's like, but but these are the stories I've seen. I mean, I've been in India, and this is wild, and we're gonna talk about this when we get to specifics. I've been to India where we are leading a pastor's conference for about 500 pastors on ministering and the power of the Holy Spirit. We had our team from from Garden preaching, training these pastors, and when we would start praying for people, there would be things going on. And this one woman falls down and she starts slithering like a snake. Okay, which I mean, I bet some of you have experienced this. This is a real deal. Like just in straight out of the movie. And we're not like weirded out by that. Our team's praying, and they're they're you know, doing their thing. And I come over and she's kind of hysterical. And I just I say, in the name of Jesus, be still. And she goes still, and I say, and I I I and I I do this deliverance prayer really short. I take authority and I send the demon out. And here's what's funny her sister was praying with her, and as soon as I said it, they don't speak English. As soon as I say I in the name of Jesus, come out, she goes still, and her sister falls down and starts doing the same thing. Wow, and I was like, Oh yeah. And I do this in our prayer training. When you deliver people from evil spirits, when it's like dramatic like that, you don't send demons out, you send them to Jesus, you tell them where to go. And I was like, Oh yeah. So then we cast the demon out of that one and we sent that demon to Jesus and to let him deal with it because Jesus is the deliverer. But there have been so many stories like this. Like it's not like not as not as dramatic, very, very less dramatic, but there's so many things. And I just want to read actually, this is a great moment, and then we can talk more. Clinton Arnold in his book Two Hours to Freedom, he says, and this is historical, this is true. I mentioned it before. The early church believed that everyone who came to Christ out of the world was carrying demons.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Therefore, they required new converts to go through a preparation time, sometimes up to two or more years, during which they received instruction and underwent deliverance from demons. Only after the church leaders were sure the potential members was free of demons, would they baptize him or her? That's from I'm sorry, that's from Charles Kraft's referencing Clinton Arnold in Charles Kraft's book, Two Hours to Freedom. But there was this expectation that we have influence from demons, which we'll talk about in the next couple of episodes. But I just put that out there because I know there's lots of people that have these weird things. Like the dream that I had, I saw a black face with red eyes, like a demon with like this dark face with red eyes. And that's what woke me up when I had that. So, and I have so many of those stories, not just ministering to people, and it's far more common than you think, yeah, but just experiencing this. And and I think this is important that we begin to have a warfare worldview, which brings us back to where we are today.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

Should we just jump in from that? Yeah, stories. Did I are you freaked out by those stories, Elijah? You've seen that. No, no, I've seen stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Yeah, you have the the hissing thing. I've I have a story.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

You have a story. Tell it. I want to tell you. I'll tell you a story.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah. So I was ministering in Romania, and I was going into this. Honestly, I had been traveling for like two straight weeks, hadn't seen my fiance, who was my who's now my wife, but my fiancee at the time. And I was really bummed. I kind of wanted to go home. And so I was getting ready Sunday morning, and I'm in the church in the first service, and I was praying, like, God, this is bad, but I I don't want to do this right now. Yeah. I feel sad and tired. And I basically felt the Holy Spirit was like, lock in. And I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. And so I just began to pray and worship the Lord, and the Lord began to speak to me. I love, you know, hearing from the Holy Spirit and giving people words of knowledge and all the things that Paul describes, but it freaks me out and makes me really nervous when I do it in front of people. Yeah. And so I didn't want to do it. Yeah. Like I was there, I was like, I'm just gonna teach and I'm gonna get off stage. And the Holy Spirit very strongly in me was like, no, got him. No, that's not gonna happen. I'm like, okay. So I'm listening and the Lord is speaking to me. And I write, you know, I write down a few words that I ended up sharing, and it was lovely. But at right at the end, before I got up, I get one last picture, and I needed no interpretation, nothing. I knew exactly what it meant. And this is I saw venom from Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Great, you know, great image.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

And I don't like normally, you know, I see an image like that, I'm like, okay, what does that mean? And discern and sort of think through it. But this one I just went, oh, it's demons. It's demons. Someone's demonically possessed. Which I I have one or two maybe prior experiences with this at all. And uh, so I saw that, kind of just put it in my pocket, went about, preached the message. Then I got down and I'm ministering and praying for people, and I'm praying for this young man. And uh, you know, I'm praying for the will of the Lord in his life for the Holy Spirit to fill him, and I'm praying and I'm rebuking Satan. Satan, anything you're doing in this young man's life, command it to stop in the name of Jesus. And out of the corner of my eye, I see this woman who's on the other side of the room. I'm not praying this into the microphone, mind you. The worship is happening, it's blasting. I can hardly hear my own voice. Yeah. And as I say those words, Satan, I command you to leave from across the room, you know, locked, like locked, like her neck locks in on me. Yeah. And I just laughed. I was like, there it is. Yeah, there's the demon. And so I finished praying for this guy, and the pastor's wife comes and grabs me and says, Elijah, we'd love like love for you to pray for this woman. Yes. She's like, she's struggling with being demonized. And I said, I know. I know the Lord has shown me this. Let's pray for her. And we prayed and she was delivered. But I'm talking like we're praying for this little woman, this little tiny lady, and you know, we're we have like three people holding her down, three big guys holding her down because she's physically that strong. And her voice, like when I talked, spoke to her later, like she just sounded different, you know. Wow, it was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Those, I mean, this is these are the stories. And what I want to say too is our church has a full process now, deliverance. We won't do deliverance ministry unless you've gone through a healthy soul course where you have done inventory, you've done the work to confess, to be aware of like agreements and all these things because it's it's not as like there are there are moments where there's power encounters, like, and and that's what we'll look at with Jesus. But most of the process will be you can't set, you can't deliver people that don't want to be delivered. Yeah, like you can't be walking around downtown LA going, I'm gonna, I'm gonna demon slave people. Like that actually is not our task, but but in the church, there should be a process because we are the only institution that can set captives free from evil.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

This woman was a part of the church, and the pastors had prayed with her a number of times. And for them, so I actually had to leave. And because they kept going. Yes, they kept going. I had to leave, and I got a text like four hours later. Yeah. They were like, we just walked through everything. Yeah. Like this is, and you know, it was it was not only like deliverance power, but it was pastoral, where all the things that were coming out, you know. So when I'm praying for her, the Lord is showing me like, here are the entry points for this in her life. And I'm calling things out one by one. And as I call things out, she is viscerally like physically responding to things from her past. The Lord is showing me. So those things kind of come to the surface, and they know they need to go work through all of that with her. So I gotta leave because there's three services. I gotta yes, like keep going. And the pastors stay and pray with her, and you know, so anyway, but absolutely I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

And this is where like the local church is so important, like relationship to a pastor, you have a power encounter, God sets her free, and then there's a process to walk people out. We'll talk about this in a couple episodes, but I do want to say if you're listening to this episode and you have crazy stories, drop them. Yes, and I would love to read those stories because there's so many, and we got to normalize what has been mystified in ways that like just demystify the reality of their art. There's evil in the world, there's there's spiritual attack, not everything's a demon, but there are these encounters, and it'd be helpful to just educate people, yes, and they're not ghost stories. No, no, no, no, it's not like 100%.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

A woman was murdered at this hotel in this room in 1912. Yeah, and she lives here still. We're not talking about that. Good point.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

It's not like I had a spooky experience. We're talking about but I will say, which is to the point of this quick topic today, this is the ministry of Jesus. Yes, like if you were to summarize the ministry of Jesus, this is one of the main things Jesus does. And someone I asked to read first John chapter three, verse eight. All right, first John chapter three, verse eight.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Verse eight. Yeah, read that one in the NIV version. It's the one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

So the gospel writer of John also wrote the epistle, first John, is saying that the reason Jesus appeared was to defeat the works of the devil. And we'll we'll talk about that in its entirety. Clearly, the cross is one of the way that he finally defeats Satan in its his hold, and we we'll get there. But you see it in his life and ministry in the gospels. You have John chapter 10. Yes, I do. John 10, 10. I love this because this is John's variation of Jesus' ministry.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yeah, this is like my one of my favorite verses in the whole Bible. Jesus says, A thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

I love it. Yes, this is one of my favorite verses. Like Jesus, it's like the mission statement in John's writing, because John is a unique gospel writer. He writes for a different purpose to a different audience. But this is this is a summary, right? Like Jesus comes to give you life, which is Zoe. You know what that means, abundant, like nourishing, overflowing, rich life that can only be experienced through relationship with God. So that's why he came. And and he he he gives us this by giving his life on the cross. And now we enter into relationship. But there's something here that we just can miss. Like it's not just about that. He come, he he acknowledges that there's an enemy who comes to steal, kill, and destroy. So as he says this is why I'm here, he's also acknowledging the opposition. And I think this is really important in this moment because the devil, Satan, comes to steal, kill, and destroy. And we did some work to talk through Genesis one. I don't want to talk about today about how what Genesis one looks like. We're made in his image to rule. And then we went to Genesis two and Genesis three. If you didn't hear that, go to previous episodes. But what I want you to see as you think about the life and ministry of Jesus, we are called as disciples to continue his ministry and his message today. This is what the book of Acts is all about. But oftentimes we missed a major section of Jesus' ministry. We primarily think it's just about teaching the gospel or proclaiming the gospel. Obviously, it's that, of course. But it's also continuing in the power of the Spirit to do the things he did. And if we just zeroed in on the book of Mark, Mark gives us like summarizes the ministry of Jesus with two things, right? And it's in Mark chapter one, verse 15. Jesus begins his his ministry and he proclaims this message. We've talked about it in previous episodes. The time has come, the kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news. So Jesus, his ministry is about proclaiming the kingdom of God. And we've done extensive work to talk about this in previous episodes. Yeah. We know that Jesus comes to offer an alternative way of life, right? Which is John's message. And but then the very next thing Jesus begins to do as he proclaims the message, as he begins to forgive sins, he begins to heal the sick, he begins to um take control of nature. He's he's calming storms, which we'll talk about. Um, he raises the dead, like Lazarus gets raised from the dead, but over and over and over again, he casts out demons. Like we'll see this like overemphasis of there is a thief at work in the world where Jesus is, and he's coming to show you this is not the way it's supposed to be. Isn't that interesting?

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Wow, it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Your thoughts. It's amazing. I think um you're so right in that people have uh many of us have the tendency to reduce Jesus' ministry down to just teaching and take out the healing part. Yes. And I don't just mean like physically healing people, which of course he did. I love reading the gospels where it's like he healed everyone. Everyone who came to him, he healed them.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Okay, he healed them all. Like your summary verses, you're like, holy cow, he healed everyone.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, everyone who touched him was healed. Yeah, okay, that's insane. Uh, but it's not just that one kind of healing, but there's also healing in all of its respects, which includes deliverance from evil, dark, yes, demonic power. Mental healing, healing of mental illness, we have to assume emotional trauma, like and I think it comes, it comes from the assumption that uh we are nothing more than what we think. Yes. So, like there's this Christian philosopher named James K. Smith. I actually referenced some of his stuff last week, but he says that one of the modern mistakes we make is believing that human beings are nothing more than thinking things. Yes. Uh, which is a mat it which comes back to like the worldview stuff, right? So we don't just get our worldview by like thinking things through. Yeah, we get them through the stories that we grow up hearing and the art that we are part of in our own life experiences in the family land that we're born into, in the nations that we're born into, in the languages that we speak, like we're shaped by so much more than just the stuff that we think about. So if we think that Jesus only means to come and change people's minds, yes, help them to see things a little differently.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yes, wow.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Well, that's yes, the problem with humanity and the problem of sin is not just that we're wrong about stuff. Yes, it's that we've become wrong. Like there's something wrong with us. Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Well, and if if we just need information, then in the age of information, we should be a lot better off than we actually are. Exactly. Because clearly, right information is not the only thing we need. Yeah, we need to have we need to have it lived out. We need to embody it, we need to practice James K. A. Smith, like you, what you do, you become, what you long for, you become. Uh like that's absolutely true. And when it gets to like the ministry of Jesus, what I I I love helping Christians see is that we have Matthew's gospel, Mark's gospel, Luke's gospel, and then we have John's gospel, we have the book of Acts, which is the disciples figuring out how to continue the ministry of Jesus. It's amazing. They're doing the things that Jesus was doing. And then you have Revelation, also, which is out some say the fifth gospel. So you have this, you know, perspective of Jesus from a different, you know, apocalyptic version. But I want people to like zero in on like, let's just look at Mark's gospel for a moment and we'll look at Matthew and Luke in a second. But Mark is a quick-paced book. I love it because it's like a quick summary, 16 chapters. And when he summarized, summarizes the ministry of Jesus, he says in Mark chapter 3, verse 14, Jesus, it says this, he appointed 12 when he calls his disciples, right? He's he they uh it says he appointed 12 that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach. So he's like he points them to be with him, to send them out to preach and to have authority to drive out demons. That's it. That's the that's the summary. And if you go to Matthew and Luke and you can go there, you see that Matthew and Luke include preaching the kingdom, casting out demons, and healing the sick. So if you're gonna summarize in those three gospels the ministry of Jesus, it's proclaiming the kingdom of God, healing the sick, and casting out demons. That's the primary ministry of Jesus, right? That's the content. And one of one of my one of the authors, which again, like all this stuff that I have, is coming from Logos Bible software. So I go to the commentary section, I click on passage guide, and I do deep dive on all these things. But he says this, I love it. To remove the thread of exorcism ministries of Jesus and the disciples would be to destroy the fabric of Mark's account. Wow. Like you cannot see Jesus without seeing him as the deliverer, as this so good, as this confrontation every time the kingdom of God is moving forward. It's a confrontation against the anti-kingdom, the kingdom of darkness, the kingdom of Satan. And I just want that to be in the mindset of disciples. Like I really think we have to see that that's what Jesus also comes to do. He doesn't come just to give you peace, although he does. He doesn't come just to get you to memorize scripture or to become a disciple that just practices disciplines, although he does. He also wants to set you free. Yes, not just set you free from your anxiety, although he does, set you free from demonic influence.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Okay, so I hope it that this doesn't take you off track, but like there's healing and then there's casting out demons. How do you know which one is necessary in a situation? How do you know if someone has depression, do we cast it out or do we pray for healing?

SPEAKER_01 27:05

It's a great question. And in that kind of conversation, when I teach on healing, yeah, um, I have a very specific healing prayer which I'll share, but you don't always know, right? And you know, I would say it's such a dangerous thing to just name something a spirit, right? Or to just name it as a condition that's disconnected from spiritual activity. Right. So whenever we pray for healing, we train at our church a very simple model of healing prayer, which is uh borrowed from the way Jesus kind of teaches people to pray when he calls Lazarus out of the tomb. And if you do a deep dive on healing, which we should probably do a whole teaching on this at some point, Jesus doesn't ever ask for healing to come, he he kind of speaks healing to come. And this isn't like word of faith. This is like uh the theology of prayer that comes from following Jesus. So when he says to one man, he's like, pick up your mat and walk, that's probably the longest prayer he has for healing. With Lazarus, it's come out with like uh some blind people, it's C, you know. Um uh it's to the leper, it's touches him and he says, be clean. So those are his prayers, right? So he's he's telling the body what to do, and he has the authority to heal. We have the authority to heal according to the Holy Spirit, according to scripture, we continue his ministry. So when we're when I'm praying for depression, which you can't really see the tangible depression left in prayer, but when I'm praying for like ailments, like physical conditions, like I have so many testimonies from the last month because we just did a prayer training and somebody while we are training people to pray got completely healed of TMJ pain. They were they were shocked. They they came up and they're like, I can't believe this is happening. I have no pain, I've had pain for all this time. And what we do in those moments is we say, Hey, since you received this, would you just pray for someone else that might have TMJ since you got set free? Let's see it. So there's another person that's been dealing with TMJ in our church for eight years, and they came forward. This woman, learning how to pray for healing, prayed for this person. They felt a little bit of healing, not 100%, which is totally normal. The next morning they woke up completely healed of TMJ issues after eight years of serious pain. But what happens in moments like that, we will we will pray for healing multiple times, but then if if things aren't getting better, I will do as a way to cover the base to cast out any demonic that might, demon that might be causing that sickness. So that's that's kind of like covering the basis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

And for anyone who's confused, there are times, instances in the gospels where Jesus casts out demons who are causing physical ailments. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

So there are moments where like Peter's mother-in-law, Peter's mother-in-law gets healed in the book of Mark. How does she get healed? Uh, Jesus rebukes the sickness, which is uh marks in the Greek language deliverance of an evil spirit. So we will see him pray for he we will see him heal people, and then we will see him deliver people from evil spirits, and they will get healed by that. Like another one would be the father who brings the son, and that the boy is deaf and mute. And the father says, since he was young, he was being thrown in, he throws himself into water or fire. He's tormented by an evil spirit. And Jesus doesn't heal him of being deaf and mute, he casts out the demon that afflict uh that afflicted him. So yeah. And I again, this is nuanced. We want to give you training for this. So we will. We'll teach you how to pray for this stuff as you walk through the theology of this. I want to build a theology. My main point in this teaching right now is to just pull back and look at the gospels and to see how often the the writers of the New Testament, the writers of the gospels are including people being set free from demons. Um so just to summarize, the summary of what Jesus did preach the kingdom, heal the sick, cast out demons. Just to also define it. Deliverance is the action of being saved or set free. So we call Jesus Savior, and he not only saves us from our sin, but he also saves us from oppression, from demonic oppression, from the kingdom of Satan. He is the deliverer, he is a divine warrior, as Isaiah prophecy describes. And the gospel has so many general, the gospels have so many general stories of people being delivered by Jesus and very specific stories of demonization. In fact, just if you want to do a Bible study, and this is what's so great, again, I encourage all of you to do a deep dive. Go through Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Look at all the accounts uh of Jesus uh healing people and delivering people, and just like highlight those in your Bibles to see how much activity is connected to that. Yeah, yeah. That there are there are seven specific stories that are in Matthew, Mark, and Luke that are told by Matthew, Mark, and Luke about demons causing pain and Jesus setting them free. So this is a major theme in the gospels, and I just want people to see that.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

I I like that you are connecting the themes of Jesus being the savior of our sins and the savior of demonic oppression. Yes. Because the fact of Jesus being, you know, an exorcist, casting demons out, delivering people from demonic oppression is just part of what it means to be saved from our sins. Yes. Because, like in the big story of the Bible, sin comes into the world because of demonic activity. That's exactly right. And sin, as we talked about in the past couple episodes, sin opens us up to even more demonic activity. So part of what is inherently attached to being living in sin is living under demonic oppression, living a life where the prince of your life, the ruler of your life, actually is the enemy. You actually are aligned. There's, you know, there's two kingdoms there's the Dominion of Darkness and the Kingdom of Light. It's hold on. There's no neutral territory.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yes. So there's not like, okay, I came to Jesus, and then I also dabble in, you know, various things in this world. And they're they're kind of spiritually neutral. Like people do tarot cards, people play with Ouija boards, like people participate in cult activities while they're Christian. I'm like, that's not a neutral going to a psychic is not a neutral spirit. It's demonic. Yes. And I just want to make sure that that's clear. Yeah. That's either the kingdom of God or the kingdom of Satan. There's no in-between.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Absolutely. And Jesus died to rescue us out of one of those kingdoms, Colossians says, and transfer us to the kingdom. So we actually all needed to be taken out of the household of our father, the devil, devil, and brought back to the house of our father in heaven. Everyone has to experience that. That's just what it means to be saved. So good. And I think what's cool and what makes makes sort of the continuity between like the book of Acts and the Gospels, where the disciples and where all of us should feel an imperative to be going to war, not just with lies and deceit and with social issues, but also with demonic pain and brutality in people's lives. The reason we should feel responsibility to continue this aspect of Jesus' ministry. And I think basically that my point is I think it helps if you look at the big picture of Jesus' ministry. Because it's not just that he was this like itinerant traveling exorcist who was like, yeah, demons come out. Well, hold on. It's like actually the whole ministry of Jesus is like, and as we experience deliverance and stuff like that, it's a microcosm of the big story. So good. Where like Hebrews chapter two, this is one of my favorites. Uh it says that Jesus, since the children of flesh and blood in common, basically since Jesus came really as one of us, he shared in these, so that through his death he might destroy the one holding the power of death, that is the devil, yes, and free those who were held in slavery all their lives by the fear of death.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

So the the whole life, the incarnation, God becoming a man, dying on a cross, resurrecting is a war against the devil.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

And the way that that plays out is that we the way that we know the cross actually worked is that when believers lay hands and declare the name of Jesus over to demonized people, demons are commanded to come out. They it actually works, it actually actually happens. Or like when I experience peace, well, we're talking about the God who brought Shalom peace to the cosmos, to everything. So I'm experiencing this little micro taste of the big mission and the big, very powerful work of God on a massive scale.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

And the future of where we're headed. Yeah. Like, and and this is so important because so many people are are suffering and they're living in the confusion. Like, like maybe they're dealing with like uh depression, or maybe they're being tormented by a demon. You don't always know. But what I want the church to recognize is exactly this like there is a confrontation happening. And every time the gospel's declared, it in the gospels, it's met by a power encounter. Like we see this, like so. And I just I think that's really important to understand is that when Jesus showed up, there was a constant confrontation between the kingdom of darkness. That's not always the case with Christians today. And I would like to suggest it's partly because we're still living in the world, we're still held captive by our sins in ways that we're participating in it, we're not living in the true identity that we have, and we're being influenced by demons. I just I believe that. And I think part of it is to recognize we have to engage in the world differently. If we are gonna take the ministry of Jesus seriously, then what we have to understand that he is that he didn't just preach good news, he demonstrated good news. And the good news is not just good teaching, yeah, right? Good news, according to Jesus, confronts evil. Yeah, and I want to read this because I wrote this and I want to make sure I get it out. Evil is something we cannot overcome by simple human goodwill and teaching.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Evil is at its root demonic and too great for us to overcome. It is for the purpose that Jesus came to overcome evil. And evil cannot be overcome just through teaching or ethical values or good behavior, but by the power of God which is given to us by the Holy Spirit. So through prayer for healing and prayer for deliverance, we become channels for Jesus to heal and to set people free, as well as individuals and institutions in society from the evil that weighs people and institutions down. This is what I want people to understand is that that's the invitation to discipleship. So good. That we step into that. That's why he came, to set us free, to restore creation back to its original intent, which we see in Genesis 1 and 2. We see it robbed in Genesis 3, and to allow us to begin to live now in a way that will continue on for eternity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

This is stupid, but uh this reminds me of Men in Black 2. Let's I love the Men in Black movie so much. And but I think we keep going back to like the whole warfare worldview thing. It's hard to say. Um, keep coming back to that. And I think what it reminds me of is that scene in Men in Black 2 where, you know, Kay is retired. Yes, and uh he's working in the post office, and Will Smith shows up, you know, and he's like, Hey, you know, you used to be an alien hunter with me. And he's like, No, there's no way. And then he reveals that like all the employees surrounding him at the post office are actually aliens and they're like right under his nose. And I think not to be like dramatic, uh, but I think that part of what it means to accept a Christian worldview is to go, and again, kind of what we have already emphasized is that all around us, there's more to the story. Like there's there's more happening around us, and the the calling of the church is to actually do something about it. Yes. And so if I like if basically as a Christian, I stop thinking that real evil spiritual forces of darkness can be up doing nefarious things in people's lives, and that I don't have a role to play in that. Yeah, I don't have an authority to do anything about that. Uh, then I just let that play out. Yes. And I just let that happen in people's lives because I've decided to be, you know, a materialist who doesn't really even think those things are happening. I don't mean to be like Scooby-Doo, like you're gonna pull a mask off of somebody and it's always like, ah, I knew it was a demon under there. I think evil is really complicated by virtue of being evil. It's the absence of good, it's darkness, and human beings and demonic spirits can both make themselves the antithesis of God, they can both be opposed to God. And it's sometimes they're working together on that.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Wow. That's from the movie Usual Suspects. Such a good line. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, I love that movie. No, it's not Christianity.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Don't watch it.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

But it didn't run a little bit. Huge twist ending. Yeah, don't tell him. I saw it coming like an hour before it happened. I felt really good. Oh, it's so crazy. The ending's crazy. But that's that's a great point. And I think that's what my hope is for this series is not to make people afraid, yeah, but to equip them for the ministry they have in Jesus right now. Okay. We don't have authority. Jesus has authority. Yes. We can grow in his authority, we can grow in power in the Holy Spirit, we can grow in our prayers, and we'll we'll talk about that. But I think the main thing I want people to see is that the primary ministry of Jesus, proclaiming the kingdom, healing the sick, and casting out demons. Just read the gospels and see the overwhelming emphasis of those things. So if we are to continue the ministry of Jesus today, which again, some people don't believe that, right? But if you follow the biblical narrative, it's very clear that followers of Jesus are called to continue the ministry of Jesus by the same power that Jesus did his ministry, which was through the Holy Spirit. And if we we take that on, then we have to recognize Jesus comes to set us free, to free us from sin, to free us from death, to free us from habits of the flesh, to free us from the evil one, and to free us from Satan and the demonic activity. Demons will push people to things to things like fear and anger and bitterness and resentment and rejection and self-hatred and unforgiveness and lust and shame and guilt and compulsions of all sorts of kind. And he will he will move us into those places. And when people obey those prompts, temptation or those urges, they become partners with the demonic. And we begin to be trapped by their activity. And the power of evil over Christians is found often in the agreements and the lives that we've been playing into. And so for many of us, we don't realize that we've been played by the demonic realm. And oftentimes in relationships, we become a tool of the enemy rather than of Jesus. And I just want to invite people to see, to dive in deeply to see the work of Jesus continued in their own life, to evaluate the things that they're participating in and begin to see things like you said. Maybe not that there's, you know, an alien in every moment, but there is a demonic realm that we're walking in.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Are we gonna talk about open doors eventually?

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Yeah, we'll talk about open doors. What do you mean by that, by the way?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

Open doors, just like how when you sin and agreements and what that looks like, how to close them, how to absolutely well look maybe we should just that's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Like what so open door would be like a one would be like a false belief system, right? Sin's one way. We open the door to sin and it leads us down a trap. But the other thing is what beliefs do we have that do not align with truth in our life? That's a question I always ask. Like, are there belief systems or an agreement that I have? Like, for example, some people listening are gonna say, I I will always live with anxiety, or I will always have a short temper. Yeah, or I will I hear this all the time with guys, I'll always struggle with lust. May I suggest that that's that's the enemy holding you captive by making an agreement that's false. So good. It's not true. Because even if you you know die and then you you enter the kingdom of life with Jesus, you will not have those, you will not have those struggles anymore.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

But even right now, that lie is holding you back. And so one of the we talked about this last episode about like recognizing what thoughts we have that are working against truth, that are that need to be submitted. Some of you need to say, I won't always struggle with lust. You need to break that belief system.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

So, how do you break an agreement?

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Do you repent or I I would first start confessing it as an agreement. Say, uh just confess it as Lord, I I have agreed to something that's not true, and I will I renounce my false belief system and my false allegiance to this lie. And I claim it as a lie, and then I replace that with truth.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

So good, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:56

I won't always struggle with this. And I my mind has been uh uh marked by you. I want the mind of Christ. You can begin to use scripture to fill it. Like this is your favorite verse you said, this is what you've battled with, right? Not not the lust part, but you battle with the belief systems. Like, how do you break agreements when you when you've had those thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Yeah, I mean, I'm basically the same process of calling them out, recognizing, uh recognizing them as what they are as not being reflected of the truth, and then just talking to God about the truth. Like, give an example. Uh, yeah, so like I dealt for years and years and years with uh rejection issue, just coming from the background that I came from. I can tell the story basically of how I experienced freedom from rejection. Uh, but this was basically the whole paradigm through which I saw my entire life. Like ever everybody was always rejecting me. I was annoying, I was obnoxious, I was unwanted. All my relationships would eventually end. It was never going to be enough for people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I was too much to handle and deal with. Like that, that was my way of thinking about my life because of rejection and my family and in friendships and in relationships and all the things. So I was in a mess. And I was honestly at rock bottom trying to follow the Lord and to walk the life of joy that I read about in the scripture. I wanted to live. Life to the full, the way that Jesus describes in John chapter 10, like I wanted abundant life so badly and felt so robbed all the time.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

And honestly, looking back at who I was then and who I am now, like the way that my mind works, the way that my emotions go, the way that I think about other people, it's so night and day. I literally can't even remember standing in those shoes. It was such a radical moment for me. So basically, what happened was I was in this moment with some friends who were going through like a booklet on freedom. And we went through this issue specifically. And the, you know, the booklet sort of instructed us to go through every instance of rejection that we'd experienced. And all my friends, you know, they went and they thought about it and they answered all the questions and they prayed and they're like, oh, that was so amazing. But I'm like being tormented. Yeah. So like the little like five-minute walkthrough was like really upsetting for me. It was like, oh, like you guys just like thought about some recent arguments you had. I'm taken to like the 10 most painful moments of my life instantaneously. So I like stormed out, you know, and I'm out sitting on the balcony and I'm praying and just weeping, weeping, weeping because I'm I'm like remembering things with such step, such step that I had locked away and not wanted to think about for so long. And I'm praying to God, God, why wasn't I enough for this person? Like, what's wrong with me? So angry that we just did this stupid booklet. Like, I'm like, I'm so mad right now. I didn't want to be thinking about this. So I went inside and my friends were all worshiping, and I'm sort of rebelling against this. So I go sit in the corner and I'm just pouting. I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna sing to the Lord. And I start to sing. And I just had this amazing moment with the Holy Spirit where he showed me all these key moments that I'd just been thinking about. And sort of like we brought up, like, where was Jesus there? Yeah. And it's Jesus, there were things, memories I didn't I didn't even remember with the Lord showing me things from like a third person view. And just every time he would say, I wanted him, I wanted him.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

It's like the loudest, most apparent encounter with the Holy Spirit I've ever had in my life. And I'm like on the floor, yeah, like dying, weeping. And uh in that moment I had to choose to believe, like, Lord, this is actually the truth. The second thing he called me to was like all this comfort, encouragement, love. It was so wonderful. But then he called me to repentance.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Like, what do you mean I'm the victim here? Yeah. Like, but actually, so good. The reason that this has taken such a hold on my life is that I'm the main character of my story. Yeah, I'm obsessed with myself. I'm constantly thinking about what other people are thinking about me. I'm constantly working under the assumption that everything is about me all the time.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

And that made it possible for that issue to get worse and worse and worse and worse. Yes. So I actually then had to recognize my part in the story and how I had made that a bigger issue than it it had to become. And so it was recognizing here's the truth, the Lord has revealed. And now in the day-to-day, it's like I recognize like here's this little lie that comes in. And I go, Oh, that's not from the Lord. That's never what the Lord would speak. That is absolutely not the truth. That's not, I like to think like every thought that I have, every emotion I have has to answer first and foremost to the bouncer at the door, which is the cross. And if it can't get past the cross, it doesn't belong.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Yes, so good. Right? And so, and then like sometimes God will lead you towards like inner healing power encounter where you like have this encounter with the Holy Spirit and the work begins to really unfold. And then then there's also just the practical side. Yeah, the follow-up, like how do I keep yeah, where like we have a neural pathway set, like we built a highway in our brain to think lustful thoughts or to think prideful thoughts, or to think insecurity, to think whatever it is, yeah, like to bel to believe the lie. And then we are now truly actively participating in our own captivity. And so practically, when you think the thought, to name it, this is a lie and this is the truth. And you have to start replacing the lies with the truth and speaking them out, like uh, you got me again. I'm not prideful, I am a child of God, I am I am enough. Like you start replacing the lies, right? You stop thinking those thoughts and you move down a different direction. That's the work, by the way. Uh, Dallas Willard says grace is not opposed to effort, it's opposed to earning. And so when you enter the kingdom of God, it's not like you're gonna be miraculously become this different person. You are saved by grace, you enter in the kingdom, like love for as you are, not as you should be. All of that is true. And now you're working in partnership with the Holy Spirit in what is the process of sanctification or Christ-likeness. And this is true in the spiritual realm or the unseen realm where we recognize there are not just habits that have formed us, but there are demonic forces that have given us these habits that sit in thoughts that now need to be transformed.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

It's so good.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

It's so good. So I like I'll follow it up with like, this is what I choose to believe instead. Like that's what I'm praying. This is what and say or write if like for me, it's journaling. Like, I'll journal the lie and then write it down because I want to see it physically, like get it out.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Yeah, and that's for a painful thing or even like a sinful temptation. Like I feel tempted toward lust. Well, here's the belief that's being shown right now. But the belief that I have quietly is that if I carry out this sexual desire, that'll make me happy. Yes, that'll fulfill me. That's exactly right, and that's not true. That's what's going, okay. I'm rejecting this, I'm repenting for letting that these thoughts get to this point, calling it out and going, okay, I've played a part in this. Then I'm saying, Lord, here's the truth. That's right. And I need to believe right now that your way is better, actually. And that purity is going to be so fulfilling for me. So you have to replace if you just like call temptations and go, oh, I don't want to be tempted anymore. I'm I forget about that. That's exactly right. No, it's called has to come in.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

And but that's actually good. Um, the thing on the lust, too, is like one of the things is like God gives us the desire that's been distorted. And this is where I always want to say, like, we can't, like, what we've done is we've just denied it. No, like the feelings are natural, they have to be shaped into Christ-like this. You have to take the desires and remove, like, move them towards Christ. And one of the things that I think about with this issue in particular is that we start off good, Genesis one and two, and then things get distorted in Genesis three. And Jesus wants to redeem our desires, he wants to heal our whole person. And with those things, it's like it's not to say that it's those desires are bad. They just there, there's a condition, there's a context for them to be fulfilled. Yes. And that context, even if you don't feel like it's right or good, it is right and good because the truth that God's created it for you. Yeah, right. Like so you submit to Jesus even when it doesn't feel right or good. You deny yourself to align yourself with what's true. That will always be the case for any sin. That will always be the case with any of the issues we're talking about. It's about coming back under the lordship of Jesus versus the other kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

So good. What are we talking about next week?

SPEAKER_01 50:11

Next week, we're gonna zero in on one story in the gospel. We're gonna look at Jesus healing uh or or setting the lead the man possessed by a legion of demons in Mark chapter five. We're gonna just look at that kind of whole encounter and then pull out a framework for what will be deliverance ministry.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

So good.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

Um, and we'll we'll see how it goes. So that's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

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SPEAKER_01 50:34

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SPEAKER_03 50:35

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