What It Feels Like When You Encounter the Holy Spirit

A bathroom in Tampa. A kitchen at golden hour. A church in Northern Ireland where a pastor had to be carried to his car. This episode opens a brand new series on the Holy Spirit with three real stories of first encounters — and builds the case that there is more available to every believer who is willing to ask for it.

In this episode, we talk about:

• What revival actually looks like — and why it is already happening in Southern California and beyond
• You can have as much of God as you want — A.W. Tozer on why hunger is the key
• Ally's story: from empty and going viral to a Bible in Barnes and Noble and a life completely changed
• Angela's first encounter with the Holy Spirit — alone, in someone else's bathroom, listening to a sermon
• Darren's encounter in London that launched a church and changed how he understood the gifts of the Spirit
• What to do if you have never had an experience like this and feel shame about it
• Why word and Spirit have to go together — lessons from the Jesus Movement

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Ally Yost -- https://www.instagram.com/ally_yost

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Praise the lamb.

SPEAKER_02 0:02

I know, but it's the lamb. What else can we have the lamb?

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Praise the lamb.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

It works. This is what we were just talking about with different interpretations.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Alright, let's start.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Okay. Hi guys. I'm Angela.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Hey, I'm Darren.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

I'm Ali. And this is the Bible study podcast. Guys, we are so excited to be back with you. We have our dear friend, one of my best friends in the whole world, Ali Yost. You might know her off of her podcast, Christ with Coffee on Ice, not Coffee with Christ on Ice, because we don't put Jesus on ice. Some of these people.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

It is a tongue twister. Like sometimes people have literally been like, I watch your podcast, Christ or Coffee with Christ on Ice. And I'm like, it's okay. Not in it. Yeah. Not in it. But yes, hi guys. I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Stoked to have you.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Guys, I hope you guys enjoyed the last series on spiritual warfare. I know I did. Um, we learned a lot about demons and warfare and the spirit realm. Is that novel? Yeah, I wish I was like, Why are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:10

It's funny. Like, we learned a lot about demons and spiritual warfare. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

That's good because I feel like a lot of times we're scared to really acknowledge that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

And there's also such confusion and mysticism and weird stuff around spiritual warfare. So I was so excited for you to talk about it because we can trust what you're saying. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Or if you don't, just go and do the work yourself. Right. This is the whole point of the Bible study podcast, biblical theology. So when we make a point on what we're going to talk about, whatever it is we're talking about, we are going to scripture and saying, well, what does scripture teach? And how do we from there develop a worldview that's shaped by the scriptures? And so for us, I do, I liked, I like the comments so far. I like, well, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

I like that you're reading them differently. I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

I'm like, I've never been in this world. And I'm like, I'm using them to like, okay, where are people like responding and thinking and what are their questions? And that helps me as a pastor preach differently. And then as we're writing, you know, as we're talking through these things, I like to engage in that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Can I ask you a question? You know impartation?

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Are you able to yeah?

SPEAKER_00 2:17

I called him once.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Do you know him personally?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Do you know impartation? Yeah, I was texting him the other day.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

I'm just wondering if you could impart to us your like capacity, your memory, and your brain. Is that possible?

SPEAKER_00 2:32

I don't know. You know, it's funny. Do you know how that works? Yeah, I do. Jesus actually does that. I can't. Okay, got it. Um, but I think you know, if you want to spend 22, 23 years of your life studying the word intentionally, then yeah, then it will be imparted to you.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Wow. I see. He said do the work. It can't just be like, yeah, it's not like the word as your brain.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

It's not like Matrix where you can download how to fly a helicopter. Wait, you guys are probably too young for that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

But I'll nod wave or Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings never watched it. And we're never going to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

I think we should close up right now and just cut that out because whatever chaos and confusion entered into the podcast, we just rebuke in the name of Jesus. Speaking of demons. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Okay. Okay. We are going to have the best conversations. What are we saying today, guys? What are we talking about? Well, we're talking about the Holy Spirit and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. But before we get into that, guys, I think it's worth mentioning. So Allie and I both are at Garden Church, which is uh the church that Darren pastors, and I want to talk about what's been happening at Garden because God is pouring out his spirit on Southern California in general. Like there's revival happening specifically in Southern California. And you can speak into it more than I can. I just want to say, like, Ali and I are so excited to be a part of what's happening in Southern California, but at Garden specifically. Because we talked about it the other day. Like you and I haven't been in church that long. Like we only got saved, you know, a few years ago, both of us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Three years.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Mine is like five years ago, but I only started going to church like three years ago. And we haven't been a part of revival. Like we haven't seen the revival stories that people talk about about God like so distinctly pouring out his spirit and like bringing masses to a specific place. And can you just talk about what's happening at Garden?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Because well, one, because I'm a teacher. I wouldn't call it revival yet. I wouldn't say that I think you'll know revival eventually, but there are clear signs of God's sovereign work. Like God is moving. I mean, I've been leading this church for 18 years. And yeah, I mean, meeting weekly since 2009, February 2009. So 17 years, but before that, there's a planting stage. And what is happening right now is so unique. And it's not just in SoCal, it is happening. It's happening in the UK. It's I I have a friend in New York that's seeing crazy stuff, the same thing. Florida, my friend in Scottsdale is experiencing the same types of things. We know that Brazil is having like this outpouring. We see France and Germany, Spain. There's the water is rising. And here's what we could say, and I'll speak to Garden. Garden Church is experiencing lots of people coming to faith. So first sign of revival, lost people coming home, getting saved. I would say the second thing is a sleepy church is waking up. So we are seeing people who have been a part of the church for a long time, all of a sudden their faith is like turned alive. They're their hearts are set ablaze. They're reading scripture, they're joining house churches, they're doing Bible studies. They're like there's something God is doing in the church. And that's always the first thing. The first thing that happens is the sleepy church wakes up, then lost people get saved. And then it's the activity of the church. It's like the only way I can describe it is the normal things of the church are now anointed by his presence. Where it's like, oh, you're you're reading scripture and you're gathering people to do Bible studies, and there's lots of people coming. You're doing house churches or small groups, and lots of people are feeling that, and there's just extra energy, anticipation, excitement. For us too, like because we pray for the sick every Sunday, because we expect the Holy Spirit to move, we have seen healings every Sunday. Chance, who was on our episode, we do testimonies every Tuesday in our staff meeting. We call them Jesus stories, and we have to cut them off because there's so many Jesus stories. He was at Work in Progress Coffee Shop in Costa Mesa, and he brought four high school students to the Lord in a conversation, and they're gonna join our church. Like amazing. That's this is like every week, every single week. And for us, you know, we lost a venue in in January that held like overflow at our campus, and then we opened a new campus uh at the second or third week of January, and then that that's at Vanguard University, and that has just exploded. So we have to have like another at another service in Costa Mesa, which is none of this was planned. It's just God is doing something.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

So and you guys are witnessing it, you're part of it.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

It's so funny too, because like, yeah, we're witnessing it, but at the same time, I feel like because I'm so new, I don't know what it, I don't know what it's like to be in the church for like years and years and years, and then you're like seeing this awakening happening. Like, I feel like I was kind of in the rush of that. Like I'm I'm like one of them. So yeah, it's interesting to hear people like you who are like, no, there's something, clearly something's happening, but I'm like, I don't know what it feels like any other way, you know? Yeah, like I've been feeling it because I anyway. Well, like in it who are also waking up during this, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Well, it's it's that's great. I've been I've been leading our church for 18 years and 15 years in what would be obscurity, just slow, faithful.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

You're doing the things that Jesus told you to do over a long period of time. And then we moved to Huntington Beach and like something turned on, and there's been wild growth since 2023. We've seen radical growth in our church, like all the things we're talking about. But then it's like 2026, the Lord, he like flipped a switch. Wow. And you know, SEU just had like an outpouring where there's continuous worship. We've been talking with the campus pastor there, and we just know like it's like bubbling. Yeah, and I was telling our team, this is what how I'm thinking about it. It feels like every prayer gathering we have, because we do prayer rooms every day, every gathering we have on Sunday is we're just you know filling the container. And I think one day we're gonna see it, you know, it's just gonna over, it's gonna pour out and it's just gonna go wild.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Well, I the presence of God is so, so strong at Garden right now. I was on the phone with a friend as I was walking into church, and before I even walked into the building, I like panicked. I I was just like, I gotta get off the phone. And I started to feel the presence of God before I walked into walk into the building. And I felt like I just had to run in and start worshiping. Yeah like you know, something special is happening that in the parking lot, yeah, you start to get you something is getting stirred in your heart. It's just so profound what's happening, and I'm so grateful to be a part of it, and I'm so proud of you, and we honor you, Darren, as our pastor. We are so grateful for your leadership.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Just pray, pray for me and my family and pray for our leadership. I think I was talking to one of my best friends, one of our elders, and he was at the 1115, and the 1115 15 was so special. Wow, like there was like everyone's every service is different, and there was something that came out, but he was just saying, like, you started talking about grace because I had that rant on grace, and he's like, I just started crying. And this is the guy that runs the men's ministry, like you know, the workout ministry is like solid guy, he's just he's encountered God's grace. And for your first of all, for like my best friend who knows me to be sitting there getting wrecked, like it's really a beautiful thing. But that's what God's doing, yeah, and that's what we get to be a part of. So maybe these episodes will help create one hunger. Yeah, I think more than anything, the church needs to recognize that it's if it's not if they're not hungry for the Lord, if you're not hungry for the Lord, it's because you're satiated by something else.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Because I believe you can have as much of God as you want. AW Tozer talks about that. Like you every every man has as much of God as he wants. And I I think we need to recognize like we are filling ourselves with so many other things. And so this this time is just to create a hunger for more. And I just want to say there's more. There is more. Jesus. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Benjamin and I, we had a really special night last night. We were just praying and interceding. And this is like a simple revelation that I had after it, but I was like, he will literally meet you there. Yeah, he will meet you there every time. There is no limit. It like really is down to us. It's however much of him that we want.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Because he will do it, he will meet you there, he will fill you every time.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

So it's just, it's like, it's wild that our God is like whenever you, I'm there.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah. Because he's always present.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

He's always there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

And and most of the time it's you becoming aware of his presence. And then by invitation, you know, he can only meet you where you are. I think about this a lot. Like, he can't meet the false version of you.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Right. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Because that's that's made up.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

That's a lie. He can he can meet the he will always meet the truest version of yourself and remind you of that.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Yeah. Well, even when we were praying yesterday, we like held hands, we closed our eyes. And as soon as we started praying, I was like, oh, he's here. Like I felt like I felt him. And then we keep praying and keep praying. And I went to heaven, like something split open and I was gone. Yeah. I literally, like, as my eyes were closed, I felt like I saw this bright light and I start laughing, uncontrolled. And I'm like, no, no, no, now he's here. I thought it's just like we settle for what we think he wants to give us, but there's so much more if you linger and you wait and you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

That's it. So stay hungry, yeah, stay open, and like we're gonna help people on this series to learn more, clearly have a better theology because there's so many questions out there. And if you're like me, like you didn't grow up in a church or have experienced a church that has a healthy theology of the Holy Spirit and you know, and the kingdom and scripture, like uh, you know, R.T. Kendall, who is this 90, I think he's 91 or 92, reformed theologian who was educated from Kentucky, took over for Martin Lloyd Jones, which he led revival in the UK. Wow. And he has this whole thing right now about the next wave that's coming, the next move of God will be a word and spirit move. So he has a book out and it's this message. He he's preached it all over, but he he really carries that that mantle of like that is the next thing.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

And I really believe it's what you carry too.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Um we'll see. I've been saying it from the beginning word and spirit. It has to be both.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Can I share a fun story?

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

I was on the on an airplane once, two years ago, and I I was flying back to LA from my hometown in upstate New York, and um I was on the phone with my friend, probably talking about Jesus, probably talking about podcast stuff. I don't know. And so the woman sitting next to me on the plane had overheard my conversation before we were gonna take off. And she's just asking me questions about my faith. And so I was telling her whatever. And she was like, I I was around at the last revival that happened in the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

The Jesus movement.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Yeah. And she was like, I will say, like, if there's one piece of advice, she's like, I'm a Christian, like I was saved during that time. A lot of my friends were saved as well. But she's like, one thing that I would tell you to do differently this time if I could is like we had there was so much spirit, and there were so many people who were like getting saved because they were, they were just caught up in the rush of like the Holy Spirit and just like the hype, and it was real. But they're like, she was like, we didn't have like real biblical, yeah, there was no scripture. Yeah, and so it was like people would get rushed away with the excitement and the freedom of Jesus, but like there was nothing that was keeping them rooted in that. And so she's like, I saw a lot of people that I knew and loved like fall away from their faith because we didn't have like a solid foundation of like biblical truth, scripture, like all of those things. So I was like, okay, yeah, that's a great, great advice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

And and I think, you know, in the Jesus movement, you have you did you did have a wave where God just it was like, uh I've I've interviewed pastors. I have friends that led during that time. One of my mentors was the student pastor at Hollywood Presbyterian during the Jesus movement in the early late 60s. So that was the that was the time it began, right? And then it moved into the 70s. And you had Calvary Chapel and you had the vineyard that came out of it. And but you had like a wild time where one the guy who planted the first vineyard church in in Santa Monica, his name was Ken Gellixon. Um, and he he said they met on the beach and they gathered thousands of people. He brought he was the one that brought Bob Dylan to the Lord in the late 60s. And he said he would preach basically the same sermon. He just wasn't a great teacher. He said it, I had one message and I preached every sun, every Sunday. And if a hundred people didn't get baptized that day, it was an off Sunday.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Wow, wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Like that, and he's like, that was what was going on. Then you have, you know, Calvary was having a movement, and then they they were they were all about the word. They had expository preaching, but then obviously variations of it went off. But this is the thing like it's gotta be both.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Yeah, it's gotta be both. So good.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

That's what we're about. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

All right, Al, can you tell us a little bit about yourself, sister? Because we're gonna talk about the Holy Spirit and getting encountered. Can you just tell us a little bit about you and your story? Oh, sure. Um, I'm Allie.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Oh gosh, I don't even know how to do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

You do it for a living.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

I know, I do it for a living, and then I'm like, I don't know how to do it. So I grew up in a Christian household, and my parents definitely talked about Jesus, talked about God, but I wouldn't say that we were the kind of family that would go to church every Sunday. Yeah. Um, and so it was pretty loose. There wasn't like a whole lot of pressure or no crazy religion in in my home growing up. And so I think there were a lot of ways that I still didn't fully understand Jesus. I don't, I don't think I ever had like a personal relationship with him. I think I always kind of saw him as like the God that's like way up there in the sky, and then we're way down here and we go, hi God, and we like send our prayers up there and like I didn't realize that he could act, that he's here, right? Like he's here dwelling with us and inside of us. And so yeah, I think I I grew up kind of understanding Jesus, not really. And so I went about my life as you would. I think uh I lived for the world. I think that I was trying my best to figure it out on my own. I never really read the Bible, I didn't know scripture. And so yeah, I just think one thing led to another where I I got really tired and I got really empty. And it's funny, like I always kind of felt whispers of Jesus throughout my life, but I just it was it was always a matter of me like deciding to actually go all in and give him a fair chance. And so I think it really took, I I still thank him to this day for having as much patience as he did with me. Cause I'm like, how in the world did you stand there and like watch me? It's crazy. Um so uh one day I think relationships, like everything around me was just like falling apart, you know, like friendships, romantic relationships. I think that was like my foundation and my stability was like I relied a lot on human relationships and everything was disappointing me. I actually was able to work for myself, like I was going viral on the internet, and so social media was my full time and I had everything that you'd think that you'd want, you know, like I had gained so much independence at that time. This was around like 2020 into 2022. And so I'm like 25, maybe I don't know the math, but mid-20s at that time, and I'm like gaining all this independence, and I had just gotten out of a relationship where I was living with my boyfriend and I dated him for three years. And so I felt like so on top of the world in a lot of ways, where I was like, okay, surely like I'm gonna start to feel better, you know. I have I've got it figured out, I'm financially secure, I have all this success, you know. And so I did that for a couple of years, and I think again, it was just one of those things where I was like, okay, it's not actually fulfilling me, you know? So everything that I was trying in the world just kept fulfilling me for a short amount of time, but then leaving me disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

And so I think I kind of got left disappointed for the last time. And and also like alcohol was kind of becoming a thing too, where I was like drinking randomly, like in the day when I'm bored, I was leaning on that for any discomfort in my life, boredom, anxiety, loneliness, like any of those things. And I was really hating the way that I was becoming and the person I was. And so I uh I got to this really low place in my life where I was like, Lord, I mean, I was kind of talking to myself, but also Jesus. And I um made a decision that I like wanted a fresh start. I wanted to move across the country to California, but I knew that I I would need some kind of support system, is what I felt, like deep down. And I felt God like for the first time like really speak to me, which was wild because I didn't even like really call on him. I was just kind of like talking and being like, I need, I need guidance, I need help. And um he was like, Allie, I you know that you're gonna need a support, okay. If you're gonna make this big move across the country all by yourself. I'd never done a move this big in my life. I need you to really try me, like really give me a chance. And I felt such an emphasis on try. Like it was like underlined, bold, like, I need you to like lock in and actually try me. Because it was so like I was so floaty about Jesus. Like I would just kind of like he was there, but I was still very much living for myself. Yeah, never tried to read scripture. And for some reason, I also knew that that meant I actually had to like get a Bible and read it and commit to it. And so it was like, it was just desperation at that point. I was like, if I literally want to live, wow, I I I treated him as my last resort. He should be our first, but it was my last. And I was like, okay, God, I was kind of like my white flag. I was like, I am so done trying to do everything by myself. I like, what do I have to lose at this point? And so two weeks before I made my move to California, I went to Barnes and Noble and I got this Bible right here. And I Googled everything. I was like, I don't even know what translation to get. I don't, I don't know where to start in the Bible. I like no one, this is the craziest part about my story. Ange loves this part. I do. No one was helping me, no one was guiding me. I didn't have a pastor, I didn't have mentors.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Like you didn't go to church or anything like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Every time nobody's such a cool story, it's just it was just his spirit. So actually, this is so appropriate.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

But also, like I just want to say, like, it says in scripture, like, no one comes to the father unless he draws them.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Like he wooed you.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

He did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Like God's sovereign in that idea, like he is wooing children to himself.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Keep going. This is so good.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Can you tell them my one favorite part of one? This is so much. Because and I'm like rushing through it because I'm this is so fitting. It's so fitting because like Ali's story was so spirit-led. Like she, it was literally her and the Holy Spirit. And even your conviction, like I only stopped like big sin in my life through community. Like, I needed other, I was in the word encountering Jesus, and things were still not changing. Ali didn't have community, and she started laying down sin in her life simply off of the conviction of the spirit.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Yeah. And I the it's crazy because like I I look back to like the first couple years of my journey, and I'm like, it's so hard to put words to it because it isn't even like I was like, I'm done sinning in this way. Like I just was following him, and these things I just was like, it doesn't feel right anymore. I don't know why. No one's like preaching in my ear, being like, Allie, you have to stop this, and you have to stop drinking, and you have to stop being intimate with your boyfriend and all. These things like I just like started to get a weird feeling about it all. I was like, that's weird. I don't even think I'm supposed to be doing that stuff anymore.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Well, you didn't know like there was someone, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

It wasn't a physical person.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

He's like, Yeah, the holy ghost gentle. Yeah, exactly. He was he was he was moving you towards your real version of yourself, the whole wholeness.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Yeah, wow. But it's just wild how he'll do that and he's like gentle. It's so gentle and like low-key undercover. Not though, because I'm obviously I'm like, I want to change, but it was it's just so cool now that I get to look back because I'm like, that's exactly what he was doing. It's yes, it was the Holy Spirit. I don't even think I knew that's what I was. No, you didn't, which is crazy. So I'm like actually so excited to talk about the Holy Spirit. And now I mean I was already, but now I'm like, yeah, it's just cool that he can move in a way where you don't you're not even aware that that's him. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Well, and this is the thing like our what scripture should do is give us language for our experience.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

And and a framework then for life. So like I could look at your story and go, wow, God was bringing the prodigal home. Like I'd root you in that story, and then you're overwhelmed by grace. And then you're Googling, you're Googling, you know, what version do I read? You're you're literally like there's like this desire to fulfill something. You don't know what that is, but it's God bringing you to a place of wholeness, of adoption, of daughtership. And and then, and then as there's all these things in your life that are not now healthy or good, or and sin, we'll say that word sinner in your life without even knowing that he's gently moving you away from them. Yeah. And as you say yes to the discernment, we'll say that's a discernment, right? From the spirit. As you're moving towards that, like more things are added to that list. Like, oh, this doesn't work, this doesn't work. And then you follow God long enough and you keep leaning into the prompts.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

And and you'll need community and scripture and you know, pastoring, all those things. Yeah. Like it, it what do you do? You have three years later, you look at Christ-likeness in a much larger degree in your life. And that's that's the work of God. That's the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit in your life. Yeah. How amazing.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

It's so cool. Isn't it so awesome how he puts words?

SPEAKER_01 24:11

No, I need a I don't even have words half the time. I'm like, he just did it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Like Jesus just did it, and here I am. So that is helpful. The first time I told you my testimony, I I get to the part where I get like delivered from alcohol, and I was like, and I don't know what happened. He like rest and he goes, It's the sovereignty of God. I was like, that's it, right? That's what happened.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Yeah. Oh, I love hearing I this is what happens. Like when I hear the testimony of Jesus in someone's story, I just want to praise Jesus. Yeah. Because he, like, you're sharing what God did in you, and God is still doing that. Like, there's people that are listening or in our church that are like not saved yet or struggling with all these things. And like, God is so good at answering prayers that people prayed for you that you didn't even know. But also, Jesus is praying for you before you even knew, and like the father is longing for his daughter, and the spirit is moving, and we have this Trinitarian world that we're baptized into, and then and then we're just like products of grace, like nothing on our own. And it's I love it so much. Thank you, Jesus. Yeah, praise God.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

So cool. He's the best thing in the whole wide world.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

And now you're here, and now you're here. And you're in a community, you're in church, you're reading scripture, you brought the original version.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Like, I can't believe I was living a life outside of it. It just doesn't even make sense. I think about it and I'm like, lit, like that's so empty. It was so empty. Poor girl.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

I want to know, side note, and this is personal. So what has been, because you're like faithfully at every gathering that every week you're at the garden. Oh, yeah. Like you're like there. I have to. You don't miss it. What what's happened? What's been the biggest thing being a part of a local church for you?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Oh my gosh. I mean, community is everything. I think that the the things that I've learned the most about being consistently like in person, like in real life with community is hey, Darren, you're gonna have to help me find words again. I just there's nothing like being in the body physically. Like you go to church and it's like, oh, yeah, I'm home. Yeah. Like this is what we were made for. This is what heaven is like, you know? And so I think there's a difference between praising God in your home alone and just being in the body. It's just, it just feels right. It's it's necessary. Times where I don't want to go. I mean, it's like going to the gym or working out or anything else where it's like, it's so good for you. You have to go.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

You don't always feel like it.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And then after you leave, you're like, why did I not want to go from the beginning? Yeah. So I think it's also that is that I've I've realized over time, consistently going to church, it's like that desire to not want to go becomes less and less, at least for me. Like I think in the beginning it was like, ah, Sunday morning, like I want to sleep in, it's the weekend, you know. But now that I've consistently gone and I've seen the fruit of how it just encourages like being around other people who are spirit, like literally filled with the Holy Spirit. We're there to encourage each other, to pray over each other. Like you can't do that alone in your living room. And so you see the way that that fruit comes after being consistently in church, and you're like, no, I'm going to church forever and that's it. And then I die, and then we're in church. Yeah. Like this is what we're made for. We have to be in church. So good. Yeah, I think, and I think accountability too is really helpful. So I think even my journey of me going to church every Sunday, like I have a really good friend in my life where at the beginning of my journey, it was like, all right, we're going to church every Sunday. And so even getting into that habit, what is it like after 12 weeks of doing something is when it's becomes a habit.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

28 days, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

How many days?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Well, 28 days you can maybe like a month.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, so like a month of doing something. It's like a habit. And so even if it's hard to make like a consistent habit of something, accountability has is everything. Right. So I think that also helped me. It was like having that buddy where it's like we're going to church every Sunday, and then it's just a habit. Like there's no question about it.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Well, and and I think too, like, I just I love making observations that are so like basic, but like you're someone who comes to church, you worship. I watch, I mean, you're nearby, so I see you worship, you respond. Like there have been Sundays where you are wrecked on the floor, like God's ministered to you.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Like, I just literally all my cards. It's okay. Actually, it's nothing different.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

I think that's important. Like, I that happens to me. I've been doing this forever. Like, I'm a pastor, like life in the kingdom is one of growth, right? And you are modeling, like as someone who lives, you know, your job is to you you do a podcast, you you train, you're leading people, but you're still figuring out as you go. Yeah, me too. And I think that's where there's a a context for that, and that is the local church. Yeah, and that's what I see. So it's well done.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

And I just I just need him in every format, every in every way. Like when you're hungry for Jesus, you're like, in any way, yeah. That's the body that's yes, on your living room floor, but like I just need him. Yeah. So I wish Sunday actually came more times a week. I wish so many times. Every week and night, it's the best.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

I would be.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Well, we created a midweek Bible study podcast, so that's kind of what's happening. But not the same. It's not the same.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

I love that, guys. Anyway, why would you tell people they should go to church, Darren?

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Because one, you cannot follow Jesus without his bride. Yes, you are part of it. So one, that's it's it's the the it's what we are called to in Christ. He comes, he gives us his mission to fulfill his his mission in the world and his vision for reality. And church is plan A for that. It's that we are the continuation of the ministry of Jesus. So to not be a part of the church is to like reject the calling and commission that we have. I would say it is the primary environment for discipleship, it's the primary environment for community, and and I see those differently. I would say it is the uh vehicle for transformation, and empowerment. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Like anytime that I like need to feel like it's or even like to, it's just so cool to be able to like empower and bless other people and receive. It's like we're just all yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah, and and as so, like when we gather on Sunday, as the Lord's people on the Lord's day, as the bride, the church, the family of God, he dwells among us. And I mean, he dwells in our lives. We talk, we'll talk about our personal experiences, but like there is something about the institution, we'll use that word loosely, that he created that he dwells in, you know, as the people of God. Yes, he feels us as as the temple, but we gather and and there's something that happens. Like, I think that's the thing though. Like we have in like we and our church have an expectation for encounter. Yeah. Like we hear the word of God, we have a set list, but that will change if God moves, you know, and we we receive communion every Sunday and we take the body and the blood and and we preach the scriptures and we expect God to minister and show up in a unique way. In every service we do, we expect Him to encounter. And that that's something that's unique, I think, that we we are a part of where we get to see that happen.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Yeah, so good. It's the house of God. Yeah, look at home. You look through scripture, and it's from the beginning of time, it's God's desire that we would gather in his house.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Yeah, so first in a garden and then in a garden city, revelation.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

So garden, TM. TM. Um that's so beautiful, Al. Thanks for sharing that. We love your journey.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

So good, it's encouraging. You what do you want to do? You want to talk about your first experience with the Holy Spirit?

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Sure. My first experience with the encountering the Holy Spirit is kind of funny, actually. So I've explained my spiritual formation before that it was a little bit unconventional. I met a man who was charismatic and spirit-filled, but wasn't necessarily maybe a teacher in the sense. So I was learning to pray and I was learning scripture, but I wasn't learning like deep systematic theology yet. And so when I was 24, it's a year after I got sober, I was living in Florida during quarantine. And my mom is a caretaker. And so she was at this woman, Julie's house that she used to take care of, this elderly woman. And since it was quarantine, I would just go with my mom. And I at this point, I was like healing from anxiety still. I was healing from like the alcohol abuse, and I was just in a really tender, vulnerable spot. And up until that point, really my spirituality was praying to Jesus, speaking a couple of verses over myself, but it was all about like power and healing. It wasn't ever necessarily like the love of Jesus, like the love of the Father. And so I had never heard a sermon up until that point. And I had never been to a church, nothing. So I didn't even know pastors. I didn't know sermons, but I just knew Jesus and authority and healing from anxiety. And yeah, so that's my spiritual formation. And then I met this girl who, and we were talking on Instagram, and I was telling her how I had found Jesus and she she was a Christian, and she sent me a sermon. She sent me Sarah Jakes Roberts sermon. It's called Girl Get Up. And I think I've heard that one. Yeah, it's like a it's really famous. It's really famous and really powerful and incredibly anointed. And this is what's so incredible about the spirit of the living God who uses so many different vehicles to encounter us through worship, through the word, and through anointed preaching. I had headphones in, I'm at this woman Julie's house, and I'm just like walking around listening to this sermon. And I remember the first thing that started to happen was I was sitting down and I had to like get up and start pacing because I felt like energized all of a sudden. And I was just like pacing around the house, and it was this part of the sermon that was so incredibly powerful. And I can't remember what she was talking about. It didn't even matter. It wasn't about the words she was using, it was about God. It was about the anointing in the preaching. I like go to the into the rest into the bathroom at Julie's house and I'm just like walking around, and all of a sudden there comes this part in the sermon where I just fall to my knees and I start bawling my eyes out. And I have like energy surging through my body, my whole body's tingling. And in that moment, I got filled with the Holy Spirit. Wow. And I had no idea what happened. I did not have language to put to that. I didn't know I got filled with the spirit, but I'm uncontrollably crying. It was different from like in like getting emotional or like feeling the love of Jesus. Like I got filled, baptized in the Holy Spirit. And I like get up and I'm just like, what was that? That was crazy. And I didn't understand what happened. So I rewound the sermon and I go to my mom and I take out my headphone and I'm like, mom, listen to this. You got it. I thought it was like magic. Like I thought it was gonna happen to her. So I rewound it to the exact spot that it happened to me. And departation. Yeah. Do you know when departation? And so I'm staring at my mom, waiting for her to fall to her knees, and she's just looking at me like amazing. And so obviously now I look back and I didn't know that like the Holy Spirit encountered me. I got baptized, I got filled. And I just love that story because Jesus is so merciful and so kind that like I didn't even know what was happening. I didn't have language to put to it. That's probably his favorite. Yeah, I didn't go through a discipleship program, or I had nothing except that sermon in his spirit, and he met me in Julie's house in Tampa, Florida. Yeah, you know, and I just so that was the first woman I encountered. I call Socrates. I'm like, this just happened to me. And he's like, You just got baptized in the Holy Spirit. So that is my first encounter, true encounter with the Holy Spirit. I've had many since then. Yeah, yeah. And I pray that we continue forever. Yes, Jesus. That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

So nobody laid hands on you and prayed for you. You're listening to a talk that was given some other time years before. Years before, and your heart was open and the Lord had his his way. Isn't that so good? That's so good. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

I love Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Have you had an encounter like that?

SPEAKER_01 36:04

To be honest, I mean, I remember the first time that I encountered the Holy Spirit. Is it can you also can you encounter the Holy Spirit and not be filled by spirit? Or is that yeah?

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

This is good. Okay, this is good. Because I feel like the first time that I encountered the Holy Spirit, I don't know if I was necessarily filled with it, but that was the first time that I was like, whoa, what was that?

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Yeah. And it was talk about this, so this is probably the next episode. We'll go into theology of being filled with the Holy Spirit. Yes. Because there's lots of debates on it throughout history, and we'll talk about it. But keep it.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Be good. Because that's a real question for me.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Yeah, go ahead. I love it. That's what we need.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

The the thing that introduced me to the Holy Spirit was the Word of God. So great. It was probably within a few months of me moving to California. Yeah. And Google told me to start reading in uh the gospel. And so Matthew.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Google said Matthew.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Well, Google said any of them, but I started in Matthew because isn't that the first one? I even put a little heart next to Matthew because I was like, this is my favorite. That's where I literally. That's where you started. That's amazing. Oh, look at all that highlighting. I know. She was excited. So anyway, I was reading. Um, I was I was sitting in my kitchen, and it was like kind of romantic. It was just sweet of Jesus. Like the sunset was coming into my place at the perfect time. It was like golden hour, and I'm reading my Bible and I'm sitting there, and I had worship music playing for sure. And I was reading the story about Peter in the boat and how Jesus was like, You can come out and step out here. And he does, and then he, you know, starts to sink. And I think, I mean, that was the first time that scripture genuinely came to life for me, where I was like, Why am I Peter? Why is this literally my life? Like I'm reading such an old story, but it was it was no longer like an old ancient book to me, like a history book that I was reading. And it was like my life. And so next thing I know, I'm like weeping on my face and I'm feeling something in the atmosphere. It felt like love, like like a love that I have never felt in my life. And I don't remember how long that lasted, but I was a mess and I came to and I was like, what was that? Yeah. And whatever that was, I think that's the thing that I've been like trying to fill in my little cup of my heart, and I want more of it.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

So good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

So I think that was the first time I was ever like, there's more.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

And so you were a Christian at this point, and this came later because you were reading scriptures, you're in it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Yeah, right. So I'd never, I'd never, I didn't know that was possible. That moment. I was like, there was more.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Great segue. Can I say Billy Graham? You know who Billy Graham was. All right. If you don't know, one of the greatest evangelists of a generation, I think he preached to two billion people. He wrote this. He said, Everywhere I go, I find that God's people lack something. They are hungry for something. Their Christian experience is not all that they expected, and they often have recurring defeat in their lives. Christians today are hungry for spiritual fulfillment. The most desperate need of the nation today is that men and women who profess Jesus be filled with the Holy Spirit. I think it's so interesting. He's naming something. He's saying he names something that I think is still current in the Christian church that there is this hunger for that cup to be filled. Psychiatrists and psychologists throughout history have tried to name that. So Sigmund Freud said, people are hungry for love. Carl Jung said, people are hungry for security. And Alfred Adler said, people are hungry for significance. And I think what psychologists have tried to name is that there is a deep spiritual desire in every human heart. And that longing is hijacked by culture, by money or sex or pleasure or relationships or a career. And that is truly an authentic cry from every human heart to satisfy the thing that God put inside of them. And the only solution to the human condition is God's presence.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

That is the answer. It's His presence. My experience was I came back to faith. I gave my life to Jesus. I've shared that story. I was at Vanguard University studying, even at that point, uh a theology. I changed majors. I was studying pastoral leadership. And I became aware of a theology that I had. I used to have a theology that uh fit my experience. And that theology was the spiritual gifts and the Holy Spirit is not active today. And that is a unique theology within the church. It's not biblical. I don't think that's biblical. But I at Vanguard moved to a different theology, and that was the Holy Spirit's available for today. God is doing what he's always done. He he moves in power, he fills people, like all the New Testament gifts that are available here. But I didn't have a church, I didn't have an experience for that. So I just prayed. Like I used to debate theology with people and I just pray. I'd pray for tongues, I'd pray for prophecy, I'd pray for more of God. And then eventually I get hired at a church, Rock Harbor Church in Costa Mesa, that sent us out to plant a church, the garden. And I was three months into the job and I got to go on this trip to India and we stopped in London. And there was a church that was planted out of Holy Trinity Brompton called St. Mary's, and they were experiencing wild growth. Like atheists were coming to faith because the people would have words of knowledge in this in central London while they were on the tube, you know, going to work. They would have prophecy, they would heal the sick. And all these artists and lawyers and people in central London were coming to faith at this church. They were running a version of Alpha, Alpha Ministries, and all these people were getting saved. And the testimonies they were sharing, I was like, this is crazy. Like I've never heard about this. Like I thought those testimonies were happening in like places in Africa, in Latin America, not in like Western United States or or the UK. And so he's like, hey, we're gonna done, we're done talking about this. Why don't we just pray for you? So he's like, he there are a group of pastors from all over the world. He's like, raise your hand, open your hands like this, and close your eyes. That should sound familiar. This is what we do at the church. And so I'm standing there like this, and I'm and they're like guiding us, just say, Come, Holy Spirit. I'm like, all right, come, Holy Spirit. And the pastor comes and places a hand on my shoulder gently, and he just invites the Holy Spirit to fill me. And I was ambushed. I was like overwhelmed by the presence of God. I would say the experience I look back, like I was ambushed by his love. The pastor started reading my mail. So what I didn't know at the time was word of knowledge and prophecy. He started knowing things about my past that no one knew. I literally looked for my journal.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

I wish I could experience that for the first time again. Prophecy. It's the coolest thing to experience. You're like, what are you doing right now?

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Well, your heart is strengthened and encouraged. Like you feel like you grow and but you're like from a stranger. Yes. Yeah. Like, and and this, and now it's normal. Like this is normal. It happens all the time. I it's in my life, it happens all the time. Like I prophesy, uh, words of knowledge, like all that is a normal, it should be a normal Christian experience. But the first time it was like, How do you know?

SPEAKER_02 43:17

And you just feel so seen. It's so proof of God.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

And it's the deepest wound. Like he's speaking to the deepest wounds that I have. And then he's he's saying, like, you're gonna plan a church. Like he's he's giving me my destiny. And what what's crazy is that first encounter, I encounter the Holy Spirit, I'm weeping on the floor. And and I know it's God, I know it's the Holy Spirit. And I'm like, I feel like I have the spirit. And the very next, like the an hour later, I'm like prophesying over people on his team. I didn't even know that. I'm like, I see you crossing across like a British lady was I'm like, I see you traveling by boat to France. She's like, I'm gonna take a job in France. I leave two weeks. Like, I'm like, so this is what happens like you get filled and then you give it away. And then and and then It was the next day or two days later that I'm in India and I hear the Lord say, Plant a church in Long Beach. So that was my initial journey. It was like I have something that changed my life. I have the spirit of God. And then from that point on, I feel called to plan a church and I'm like, I want to build a church where the presence of God is experienced like that.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Where people can come in and their mail can be read and they will encounter God and say, God is here. Yeah. That was that was my desire as a 22-year-old student, or you know, I was working at a church at that point. I just wanted to be a part of a church that that was the norm, where God was there and people knew it. But then I would have lots of encounters, lots of indwellings, fillings, but that was my initial so cool.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

It's so cool in your situation, too, in your circumstance that you're a cessationalist, you don't believe in the gifts of the spirit. I can't imagine for you. Yeah, was there like a humility that took over for you that were you so humbled?

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Like well, so I had so I had that theology before Vanguard. Then I came to Vanguard and had the theology, like, oh, God can move, but no experience. So I at that point, I like submitted my experience to scripture and going, okay, this is true, but I just never been a part of a context that like it was normalized.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

And then to be there, I was, I just wanted more of God. I think that's the thing. Like, I and now, like you you hear me every Sunday, like, come, Holy Spirit, more of you. Like, that's all I want people to encounter more of God.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Because there is more of God. Like we, there will always be more of Him that we allow access in, and He will, He will fill us. And I think that's the desire. So the humility piece is are you humble enough to say, Come, Holy Spirit? Are you humble enough to say, I want more? And I will say I was praying for years for more of God, but didn't necessarily encounter some Him like that. Wow. And then I can tell you like so many stories, like of like I was preaching at a Holy Spirit conference in the UK in Northern Ireland, and I was the one of the main speakers, and I'd preach the last service and it was late. And these college students come up and they're like, God told us to pray for you. And I'm like, I just want to go get food. Okay, pray. And they're like, okay, and I'll and I, out of out of discipline, opened my hands, closed my eyes, and let them pray. And as they pray, I wasn't dismissive. I was like, okay, come, Holy Spirit. And I got rocked by these kids. They're praying, and it's nothing they're saying. It was the presence of God filled me to the point where this was the first time I will ever I've ever experienced this, and I've experienced it since, where I have to lay down because I'm intoxicated by him. Like this is like I got drunk. Okay, so listen, this I'm the teacher of the conference. I'm like, I have it, I do not want to lose control. So I am laying down and there I can't get up. I cannot get up. It goes on for so long. My my friends who are with me, they're closing the church building. They pick me up and walk me to the car, and I'm stumbling like I was at UCSB. And it's so late that there's no restaurant open in Corlane, Northern Ireland. And I go to a McDonald's, because it's the only restaurant, and everyone's there, and all the kids are there, and I'm leaning my head like this, and I'm literally experiencing the presence of God, like in what was an intoxication of his presence. Now, here's what's crazy I come back home, and every time I encounter the Holy Spirit, for like months, I can't operate. Like I literally have to lay on the floor and I experience this overwhelming, like intoxicating presence of God. It was ridiculous. My wife's getting tired of it. She's like, Come on, you got to go up and preach. Like, I'm like more, Lord, more.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

She's like, okay, you're being a little dramatic now.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Let's just those are like the experiences, you know. And here's the thing in the theology world, people will debate this. They'll be like, Oh, is it the is it emotionalism? Is it and I'll just say, like, in in the world, like when you read scripture, so much of the encounter of God is experience. Like when Jesus talks to Nicodemus, he's like, You gotta be, you gotta be born again. It's like the wind. Yeah, and it's encounter. And then when it when it comes to the Holy Spirit, he comes like the wind, breath, fire, even the language around like Acts 2, the Holy Spirit falls, and there's a violent wind in the room. Yeah. And there's like fiery tongues that rest. Like that is experience. That's weird. Yeah. Can we just say that is weird?

SPEAKER_02 48:23

When you started to say that, I started praying in the spirit, like instinctively.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

That's that's what happens. Oh, it's so because it it activates. And so what I want, because now we don't have time to go into the we'll do this in the next episode. I want to, I want to just I want to just say, like, there's so much more that you can have. Like God, like God wants more of your life.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

And if you open yourself up to more of God, you'll get more of Him.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Can you one thing first? Can you speak to people who might be hearing this and feeling shame that they don't have these massive encounters? And it doesn't make them any less of a believer.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Yeah, like, first of all, years of my life longing for more of God and not having any encounters. So just know that's totally normal. You could also be in a room. So most of my life as a leader now is not encountering in a dramatic way the presence of God. Most of my life is watching people encounter the power of the Holy Spirit, encounter God. And I it's like I'm a midwife in some ways. Like I just get to be a part of like watching all these babies get born in the church. And and it's a delight and it's a joy, and it's not always for for me. Yeah. Um, but I would say it there's there should not be shame. The enemy brings shame into your life when you feel like you need to have, you know, some type of experience to qualify something. You don't need this experience to qualify that you're saved, that you've been filled with the Holy Spirit. But I will say, get rid of shame and open your heart and ask for more. Just that that is the prayer, like come, Holy Spirit. That is an ancient prayer that has brought about revival throughout history. Like revivals have been started by the humble praying, come, Holy Spirit.

unknown 50:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

I think I'm getting filled with the Holy Spirit right now. I am, you know, the song Holy Spirit at V. That's what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

We'll correct it. Okay, so the next episode. Yeah. I want to frame it. We're gonna we're gonna talk about the ministry of Jesus as the baptizer in the Holy Spirit. I want to create a framework of theology to show you that when it comes to the ministry of Jesus, the the all the gospel writers kind of have this prologue into his ministry saying, when the Messiah comes, this is what it's gonna be like. And every single one says it, you know, John baptized with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. So as we as we reimagine the ministry of Jesus, even in the gospels, we're seeing one who will come as the baptizer. And then he promises for his followers to be filled, to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. And that will be a clothing of power. So I just want to frame that and and look at that. And we're gonna we're gonna dive into a lot of a lot of the scripture in the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

And that's another question. Okay, I already have another question. So when you get baptized in water, do you all is there a correlation with the Holy Spirit also getting bad?

SPEAKER_00 51:15

I don't know. Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

All right, we'll tell you guys next episode. I gotta watch the next episode. Al, thanks for being with us. Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys, we love you so much. Jesus loves you more. We'll see you next week. Yep.